That freaking guy blew a phenomenal chance of free advertising to your audience. Absolutely unbelievable, keep doing what you do...I love your content!
@@landscapingspecialist good idea but I dont think that would be a good choice of profession if that were the case 🤔 haha. I'd maybe choose something with a little less publicity.
Wow, Floe could have shown off their trailers to 17,000+ people in one shot. I think if I owned the company, I'd be looking for a salesman with a little more knowledge of how technology works today.
The FLOE trailer guy being that cagey because of a camera causes me to wonder two things. 1. What have they been caught on camera lying about before? 2. What are they trying to hide? Those are the only two logical reasons someone wouldn't want to pitch their product to 650,000 subscribers.
I'm glad I saw this video. I know this is over a year old, but I "WAS" looking at Floe Trailers for a new project that I had fell into and thought they were a good fit. This representative made me realize I don't want to do business with them because of his attitude. Never the less I went with another company and ecstatic that I did. Thank you Dirt Monkey for saving me a bundle.
The Floe interaction just proves that some presidents of companies are so far removed from their customer and the market that they do more harm than good and are way over paid. This president should hire a good marketing manager and let them do their job.
So after seeing the floe guy, every time I see them trailers I’ll think of that jackass. I wish you would’ve never blurred his face out when you do that. I feel like you shouldn’t even show the video.
This guy and his demeanor makes me want to avoid his company. Seems to me he wasn't comfortable speaking about the features and benefits of his product to 650k people that are certainly his target consumers for one of two reasons: either his product doesn't have many features and benefits over his competitors or he BS's to the public about his product at these trade shows. Either way, his attitude makes it out like he doesn't want any wide visibility on what he does. Marketing fail. Stan's reaction (super cordial and even gives the rep another shot to regroup and try again) amplifies how bad the rep's interaction was. I would be surprised if the company doesn't reach out to Stan, after marketing does their "due diligence" lol Great video as always, Stan!
To be fair, he didn't know upwards of a million views were incoming. Stan could have been some rando jackass with ten subscribers for all he knew. He could have looked him up, and found out in five seconds though lol
It always amazes me when I've encountered these kinds of sales staff that just don't see the potential benefit of "controlling the message" by giving you an informative, easy to understand breakdown of thier product, in a professional but otherwise friendly manner and are willing to answer any and all kinds of questions no matter how silly it might seem, all to ensure the potential buyer has all the information they need.... just like every single one of the other sales people Stanley spoke to did, before Don came on the scene. I used to be a salesman and the moment you said "maybe you'd like to give us more information about the product" and he said "no I'm not sure I want to" I was like - he should be fired. The right answer was "absolutely sir, it would be my pleasure and thanks for giving me the opportunity to showcase our fine trailers for you and your audience". I've forwarded this YT to Floe International with a tweet, be interesting if they respond or reach out to you Stanley.
He is afraid he will creatively edit and twist his words. E.g., if he ever answers NO or YES, he could splice the question to make it look bad. Do you have a QC issue- "YES!" Bottom line, he does not trust this guy or his motives.
Did trade shows for about 30 years and would have been thrilled to have an opportunity to share my products/ solutions with social media / Hell man you’re doing all the work. Those guys blew it . That’s why I was there …
@@Dirtmonkey Typical useless trash people thinking they got authority. Literally Depression just hit in the USA and this idiot is giving hard time to potential buyers....wow. Gas prices going to 6$ + dollars or more per gallon and complete crash of the bitcoin (down to 5k each projected). Love your videos 😂
@@tombrandt9406 You have it backwards, the folding trailer guy is a marketer but what they need at a show is a sales rep. He lost it when he folded his arms, that shows a lack of confidence, and you can't sell something like that.
When the owner watches this video and realizes his employee just made his product look bad on the most popular RUclips channel in his field, that employee will be fired. If not, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and their marketing failures will continue - which is the demise of any business.
They went from having an awesome lead source generator with entire groups of people interested in buying these products, to the same group of people who now will think twice and buy somewhere else a little more friendlier and helpful. That was a lot of fear on display. That reaction tells me that if I bought one of their trailers, once the sale was done, nothing but crickets would be heard.
I guess that makes me one of the 650 thousand "people" who have now done my diligence and think they have something they are hiding and wouldn't buy even a trailer light from them now.
@@KlockoFett Yep, but can you also imagine putting a skid steer snow blade down on that plastic when it's 10 below out. Or, how about having to walk on that plastic if the skid steer leaked a little hydraulic oil? Not sure if it will cause a person to break their neck but doing my diligence (like the man said), tells me that it might. What a wiener! I mean whiner.. lol Stan, you should make a special edition shirt that says, "Just say no to Floe".. I can't say you'd sell 650k of them but I know for sure you could sell 1. To see one of THEIR youtube videos.. ruclips.net/video/1OE1fntemIQ/видео.html.. Hilariously, the theme is that "there is always a better way" Here is what they say about what happened with Dirt Monkey..
FLOE International 1 hour ago From Don at FLOE. We were exhibiting at a wholesale show where manufacturers interact with current and prospective dealer partners. We hadn’t had any prior discussion or insight with this potential video opportunity.
Wow. That was a horrible experience and interaction with both of those representatives. I rewatched it several times because I could not believe it. You did a good job on keeping your cool.
I personally think he should have said he was a trailer spy and he now had enough information on his camera to bring their company to its knees. Then laughed like a mad man.
@@thegrimyeaper "I'm recording this for a research group in China interested in stealing all your trade secrets and duplicating your design for a fraction of the cost." Honestly, their design getting ripped off was probably the main source of fear.
@@Dirtmonkey Stan, last night they had 454 views on their latest video, with multiple comments and even 2 responses from Don, the Chief Marketing Officer. This morning, there are over 56K views, and only 3 comments. They obviously scrubbed his response, and ALL of the negative comments, apparently trying to do damage control. Next step is for them to turn the comments off. If you can, tell Don to pound sand, there's no way I would do business with that company after this interaction, and how they handle the heat they get from your viewers.
14:05 😂😂😂 I was getting torqued right there with you. Those fellas were a little too big for their britches. It's just a trailer guys! Don't you want to sell a boatload of them?!?
Why was he so concerned that Stan makes money off his videos? It almost was like he was looking for a way to profit off it and if he couldn't weasel something out of it then he wasn't "interested". Well, there actually was a way to profit from Stans video but he was so concerned about what someone else might be earning that he couldn't focus on making anything himself. 😃
Those trailers are top secret information. Not just anyone can walk up and take pictures….. oh, wait…. that’s the whole point of the trade show, my bad
I guess the "Marketing man" was not so good at marketing. 😂 "I'm on RUclips, this is my audience", reply "I don't know what that is". What? Welcome to marketing prior to 2005. Sounds like someone isn't very trained in marketing for 2021. I usually all for the new / little guy in a market but with that kind of attitude, I have a tough time wishing him luck. Thanks for sharing. Many creators I follow wouldn't have even showed that much but for me it helps to see what you as a creator actually go through. Often the poor experiences are more valuable than the positive. I really appreciate that you include stuff most wouldn't.
@@OrionRoen Precisely. That interaction is nothing but warning flags, bells, all of it. Might be a fine trailer but I wouldn't give it a second look after that interaction.
always appreciate your content..professional, open minded to variants and fair..this guy had a bad case of paranoia or a lack of confidence in his product..thanks for sharing
I went from "OH cool trailer! I wanna know more and may get one. To SCREW THAT PLACE AND THAT GUY", real fast. He acted like, youtube?! What is this witchcraft you speak of? Their loss for not seeing the big picture.
Thanks Don...if people can't talk freely about their products then I'm not spending any money on them...Keep shinning the light...I love your content! Cheers!!
Hi Stan! Long time follower here... we have learned so much from you and appreciate you and your content! My husband has been researching trailers for a few months now and Floe was one of the top ones he was considering due to durability. I just sent him this video and didn't say anything. He responded back and said "The list just got smaller...took Floe off." I'm so glad we saw this now. Blur face guy needs to get caught up with the times and should have seen your interaction as an opportunity and a blessing for the exposure. Big mistake...huge. God bless!
I'm looking for trailer n just from the guys action won't even consider looking further Into there products sure there better companies n trailers on Market
@@thresh9606 why? Just because they realized they pulled an amber and 💩 the bed? I don't have a RUclips channel with 10m subs. I'm gonna get the random guy off the street treatment, not the celebrity RUclipsr one.
@@TheBrothergreen they were confused and rightfully so ngl kinda weird to be taking b roll shots of some random booth. dude doesnt want his idea stolen so fair enough.
@@njmallday And ensured that anybody who saw this will think twice about his products, and lost thousands of possible customers. He kinda shot himself in the foot lol
Wow ive never seen a reverse salesmen until now! Thats the fastest I've ever made up my mind on a company. Thanks Stanley for posting the interaction for all of us to see!
I always feel like any company that wants that much control of content has something to hide, either by omission or manipulation. Apparently, they've failed or refuse to recognize that trailer manufacturing and sales is a very crowded and competitive market space with no shortage of innovations and inventory.
@@bryanrussell6679 normally I would agree with you..buttt...it was 2 guys not just 1..but any company that would be lawyer wanna be...well..all I have to say is to not attend those shows..and that company has no rights to not want video in public viewing...when you step in public view, by your own choices...yeah..they are opening pandoras box for lawsuits.. And I can guarantee you that they had cameras recording Dirt Monkey...see how that works???😁🤯🤔😹😹😹😹
OR here's a thought, Maybe they are brand new in the game coming out with something never heard or seen before, That they think they need to be extremely cautious about who they show there product to before they get it out. They might be naive enough, Thinking they are in a place only for contractors and benefactors. Thinking it's all confidential, until they can get it up and running full board. But in the end of all this jibberish, They are idiots lol, sure way to get a bad rep, Is to insult someone who has a huge following in the business Market they are in.
Happened with the Festool company. They sued a guy for control of his website which was a festool forum. The guy didnt have the money to hire lawyers to fight them, and years of his work went down the drain for him. He caved and gave them the website. I would have changed the name of the website, and left it alone, or not use it at all and let them build their own website. Some people are greedy
I am more inclined to purchase ANY of the other manufacturers trailers than one from Floe. If their marketing is that bad then what kind of quality are the trailers they make? Even if it’s top notch, the attitude of the employees, that one in particular, makes me look elsewhere.
The employees that manufacture FLOE products are cringing at Don's etiquette. Please reconsider the FLOE brand on account of the quality and hard work that they put into those products.
@@mikeruthford7849 guess Don hasn’t learned how to go with the Floe. Please let him know he’s been nominated for the Tool of the Year award, and it’s not for his trailer
I was almost interested in the Floe product - but a company that feels like they have to manipulate the media is not a company you want to work with. Sales guy do enough manipulation in just what information they share and don't share, but to try to put a choke hold on it, scummy and scammy. I am fascinated by that Adapt-X trailer.
Please don't let the actions of "Don" skew your interest in FLOE's products. FLOE employs many hard working folk in northern Minnesota. They would certainly appreciate your support of a purchase.
@@mikeruthford7849 Those workers should come together and hold him accountable. If Don owns the company, then they should quit and start their own trailer business together as he is clearly not a decent person to be around.
Love the trailer content Stan! Ps; Not sure where this guy thought he was….but the ENTIRE idea of a trade show is to allow manufacturers to get their product out there, photos, video, word-of-mouth. And in this digital age we’re in, what you were doing is exactly what participants of the trade show want.
I have to shake scratch my head. Did they just turned down free advertising? Maybe he should of done his due diligence as he said, and checked him out. Instead he checked himself out! Out of publicity. SMH
If I was running marketing at Floe I'd have some words for those guys for sure. Shame because those polymer dump trailers are great trailers my friend has one and i've seen it in action.
@@jonnyonwheels Yea, once he realized Stan is RUclips Famous and tons of angry people commenting on their FaceBook Business group page. Once $$$ was on the line, he groveled and apologize. Don't expect to get the same treatment if you are an average joe.
As of now. There are 58 comments on this video and I’ve only seen one where the guy is standing up for the salesman. So I’m pretty sure Flow trailers will end up hearing about their terrible decision of a salesman one way or another.
With everything going with social media right now you guys can’t wrap your heads around why they want to know who’s promoting their equipment really? Clearly most of you have never been Business owners.
Can't believe how tight arse that person was he is trying to advertise his trailer but don't want to give others to show there trailer. That's how they don't make the money. Great videos keep doing what your doing.
Gracious , does that chap not have RUclips . Everyone surely would see a conversation with you as a positive , even he didn’t actually watch your particular channel . I am always impressed with your calm cool responses .
It’s funny how that one guy is the only one that doesn’t want a RUclipsr to help plug. We as consumers and customers wonder what is he hiding or what is he not up to date with how things are sold these days.
He probably didn't want to thinking you would try to tarnish his name. That's the only possible thing I could think off lol. I mean why wouldn't you want to.
Those dump bins need a simple built-in scale that lets you know when the weight limit is reached. Helps customers get the most out of the bin and protects the operator and his equipment.
Not really practical to put a scale on the box, too easy to damage the load cells. A scale on the trailer would be a good option, that's how the big roll off trucks do it.
It's a good idea in theory, but at least with roll offs we get guys dropping concrete slabs over the side or dragging them around around an excavator... it wouldn't hold up
I gotta say, I work with Marketing Pukes in a regular basis, and I've never seen one that wouldn't do unnatural acts for free publicity! Keep up the good work, I love these trailer videos! BTW, I use an Iron Bull dump trailer that I pull with my 1990 F-250 (73k original miles!) around the house. Most useful trailer I've ever owned!
I run an Iron Bull 14k goose neck tandem dump. Gets my tractor and hauls anything anywhere. Never an issue with it. Plus I love the laser cut out logo etc. nice touches
Good job Don, you friggin dope. I hope you read all these comments. Companies need to be educating their older sales people on the power of social media.
💥 I’m so glad this wasn’t just click bait. For that guy not knowing the advantages of RUclips social media advertising tells me all I need to know. I’ll steer clear of their company. 🤦♂️ *Keep on tractoring!*
The transformer trailer is reasonably. Bing searching for a trail to carry our kayaks. If you price the Yakima kayak trailer you'll find this a steal. I gotta check it out. Thanks for putting it out there!!
Not the best salesmen oof 😬. Thats really unfortunate for them. The others understood even if you dont like to be on camera this is your opportunity to reach way further than the trade show. Sales lost for sure just with the bad attitude but also the lost opportunity to hype their product. How would the customer service be if the sales people have this much attitude?
More views on this site in one day than people that came through the trade show in person. Sorry Floe, I would have been interested in the polymer trailer and only became aware after this video.
no sure isnt but the other guys were glade be on you tube i know if i had a manufacturing company id be enjoying being on you tube wich is fun plus helps gets business growing and eduction too
The Floe guys reaction does not surprise me at all. I had several dealings with the company back in the early 2000's they were all a PITA. They could make the best product on the market (which they don't) and I would not purchase it. I'm almost embarrassed that they are a MN company.
Love these videos Stanley, it helps me with what to look for in a trailer and what company (Floe) to avoid. Dear company CEO, don't fire him, drag him through broken glass until he understands where he went wrong. Keep them coming Stanley.
@@taylorgang907 cancel culture much? Well most boomers know how to construct a sentence/questions along with understanding what we read, cancel culture would want the company to be shut down, try again.
You do realize that was the actual Vice President of the company. And nothing is wrong with not wanting to be on camera answering questions about your product. Especially since he didn’t know who Stanly was or what the intention was. A lot of companies shy away from answering questions on camera when they are just put on the spot like that for a lot of reasons, anything they say can be taken out of context, the guy is the VP and doesn’t care about stanly or his audience. Your POV is redundant and ridiculous. If you went to ANY company for 90% of the products you use on a daily basis and put a camera in their face they would do the same thing. I doubt you have even been to many trade shows if any, but it’s pretty uncommon to see a guy asking everyone questions while filming. Most of the people at these are actual companies looking for contracts for their businesses for private or commercial use. You gotta remember that dirt monkey makes a living off of this, so technically he is making money showcasing a product that isn’t his, they would obviously want to be In control of how their product is portrayed.
He’s probably the owners nephew, because he certainly isn’t a salesman. I owned a marketing firm, been to more of these shows than I care talk about and that guy did unimaginable damage to his brand by acting that way. You can have hundreds of satisfactory experiences with a product and nobody will likely hear about it, but one terrible experience will be noted and recounted many times. Marketing 101
Wow! I've had similar things happen before and it's always super awkward...mainly for them. I always say "they either get it or they don't.....and if they don't, it's a big loss on their end". Cheers brother
The situation was a little awkward, only because I think we're all embarrassed for the president's ignorance, but Stan handled it very smoothly live. What is the company president doing at the trade show if he isn't willing to pitch the product to hundreds of thousands of potential customers?
The whole time I was watching the video, I was thinking how lucky each company was to get so much free advertising. Then the last guy looks a gift horse in the mouth. That was painful to watch
I expected the next words out of that guy's mouth to be like, "I don't know what this MeTube is all about but it's illegal to film me without my permission." He seems destined to stay in charge of A very small plastic trailer company.
What a genius lol This day and age I'd think someone might expect this at any trade show, SEMA or any of that! I've had similar reactions from folks in the past at trade shows....frustrating to the point that I just don't go much anymore
Stoney Ridge, did you ever finish your dads Jeep? I need to go back to watching your channel. I recently bought a new motorcycle so my interest has turned to those videos. That being said, this is why HD or Indian or any other manufacturer invites the RUclipsrs on demonstration rides cause they know biased videos will go out to be seen by 10’s of thousands of people who are interested in that product instead of paying for expensive TV commercial’s that every one will either FF through or get another beer from the fridge. BTW- thanks for talking to the guy with the fold up trailer. I have limited space in my garage and those will fit nicely.
@@davidhempsted9081 Hi David, Don't laugh but Harbor Freight had had foldable 4 foot X 8 foot trailers for years. I bought my son in law one last year and we put it together in an afternoon. I admit I was impressed with the build quality. They have two versions, I got the more expensive one. It was only like $30 or $40 more and had a higher load capacity. It had Carlisle tires and brand name hubs. It was only about $400 bucks. If you don't need a BIG trailer, it's pretty darn good. He took it from TN to NY right after he got it and had used it a lot since then.
People are afraid of cameras. Every one loves to act like they are in charge. Many more accommodating manufacturers out there . Good Job shedding light on this one.
Good stuff, thanks for the updates and info. What I really, really dislike about nearly all these companies is that none of them provide a price without calling them first. I don't want to call every trailer dealer for a price to shop, I want to shop by comparing features AND $$$$$.
I HATE it when prices aren't shown. Mostly it's annoying and I'll go somewhere else, but i just thought of something. WHY don't they state a price? Is it a case by case basis, and they wuote higher prices to someone that looks gullible enough, and claim they sold it at normal price, to score more profit on paper? Are they dipshits, or tax dodgers?? lolol
@@dethmaul I had a sales person at a trailer company tell me they don’t advertise the prices online or over the phone because they don’t want the competition to beat their prices. He was happy to tell me to drive an hour one way to get the prices in person. I told him that didn’t make sense because if I owned a company competing against another company, I’d either go around and get the prices, or I’d hire someone to do it for me. But I most certainly wasn’t going to drive an hour to discover they were over priced.
@@dethmaul Car lots do that very same tactic and yes, it's because they size the buyer up once they first speak. It's a sick move and I refuse to shop at places like that.
I will NEVER buy a Floe intl. trailer or any product of their's just because of how that A hole came across. That guy stigmatized Floe for me in a very sour way.
@@acbad434 not to mention there's no doubt in my mind that alot these you tubers are addicted to the attention like crack, fail to imagine that some people don't want themselves showcased like they choose to do.
I'll never support a business with guys like that at the helm. I love businesses that are transparent and open with you. Much love to your channel and thank you for your hard work! If I ever need a trailer which guy to turn too 💚
I appreciate you taking the time to give us a look at new products and meet the people that are responsible for providing us with an image of the company behind the product. There are times where I love the product, but I develop even more of a love for the brand after you interview someone who is passionate, knowledgeable, and committed about their prospective view on how to do something right. I have purchased products because of your reviews and interviews. However this is one time I would have to make a mental note on why I wouldn't want to spend my money with this company. I can't imagine what a customer service request or warranty claim would consist of. Way to handle that professionally and please keep the content coming.
That guy was FLOE Trailers president Don VanderMey ??? WOW, that company deserves to go out of business!!! WHAT A TOOL, I'll never consider one of their products again!. This shows EXACTLY why company principals (owners) should NEVER be allowed onto the sales floor! That's why SALES PROFESSIONALS are hired to facilitate that aspect of the business! On behalf of EVERY OTHER Minnesota citizen, WE APOLOGIZE on Mr. Vandermey's behalf !!!
I have a Floe snowmobile trailer and it's a well made trailer! This video doesn't give me a good feeling if I would need any customer service from them though! I will also say that you have to be cautious about everything these days, because you never know what kind of scam someone is trying to pull and you can't blame him for being cautious. With that being said and you telling him what was going on, on & off camera, that guy blew his opportunity to showcase his products to a huge audience for free! On top of it made him and his company look bad. I'm betting he'd be offended if you started asking him financial questions about his business, but he apparently didn't think it was an issue asking you those questions. WOW!
Stan u need to have these trailer dealers clarify those weight numbers cuz too many rookies think when dealer says 14,000 lbs that it's the magic number they can haul when in fact these dealers play games, they never tell u that the trailer weighs 4,000 lbs that comes off that 14,000 lbs.
That’s where GVW differs from GVWR. What's the difference between GVWR and GVW? The gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum amount of weight the trailer is able to safely hold and transport, as rated by the manufacturer. The gross vehicle weight (GVW) is how much the trailer and its payload weighs together. Always pay attention to the GVW, after calculating the GVWR.
@@gsettlemyre I know the difference as I've been doing this stuff for 30 years, I commented on this because the salesperson referred to the gross weigh on a trailer of 14,000 lbs whereas that the gross weight and lots of rookies think they are getting a 14,000 lb dump trailer whereas that's not the case but the sales person wants to make a quick sale so they use thr higher number to trick the person into buying the trailer only for them to find out later by a state trooper when they get forced to run over a scale.
@@jonasstahl9826 no not really kids who are 18 years old thinking they can overtake the whole world when they buy that first trailer think that if it fits on Rhee trailer it's there's to haul like I said I've been doing this 30 years ans there's little I haven't seen...
@@MrBigblueford Seems to me like a lack of education, isnt that taught in driving school in America? Also we have the speed limit of 80kmh/50mph or 100kmh/62mph when the trailer has shocks, while towing in Europe
Occurs to me that at a trailer show, the exhibitors can not restrict your filming. You are a lot more polite than a lot of people. You are very professional. In Texas we would tell him to piss up a rope.
Totally agree, the products speek for themselves with an honest sales person. I personally wouldn't do business with that type of person but that's me. In your wonderings on trailers, looking for an inventive way to make my front Snowmobile rams angle back with an easy & consistent latch system. Seen a few different styles but nothing great. The ramps are attached to one another vs having a center post. Any thoughts??
You did a great overview of all the products. I knew when I saw the blurred face that THIS was our guy. You handled it very diplomatically and respectfully. Kudos.
I think the guy was scared that some of the flaws of the trailer would be pointed out. If there weren’t cameras allowed in the building then there would be a sign. Some people just crack me up. 🤣
Thanks for showing us the trade show for trailer. Blown away by the reaction of the Floe Trailer Co. Rep. What a good ball! Good job exposing these guys. I am very certain if they behave this way a a show that is ment yo show case equipment, you don't want to ever do business with them. They'd be crooks for certain. They were laime!
So I just sent an email through Floe's product support contact page explaining how I won't be looking to them for my new trailer "for which I'm currently in the market" due to their marketing directors lack of performance. I didn't name names just expressed my disappointment. Thanks for taking time out to show all of your viewers the innovation and products at these shows.
Don’t be a POS review bomber. Who cares if the VP doesn’t want to be on camera and instantly divulge any and all information to some random guy with a camera. You are just as big of a clown as that guy since you went out of your way to send and email and lie to a company you had never heard of before to tell them you won’t buy from them. Get a fucking grip man. What a sad reaction.
This reminds me of the Kubota guy at the Minnesota State Fair. Back in the '80s when Machinery Hill still had cool farm tractors. Everyone was climbing on the John Deeres, etc (which was encouraged); I went over to the Kubota display and sat on a tractor and two seconds later the Kubota guy said 'That's enough, get down". And it's not like I was touching anything other than the steering wheel. Nor was anybody waiting in line (like at the other brands). Kubota lost a customer for life there.
@Jennifer WhiteWolf: Yes, thank you, you're right; it is sad. (My college roommate had a Kubota and was a big Kubota fan). The parallelism here is so similar in that both Kubota and Floe produce quality products (The Floe trailer is very well constructed for the general homeowner), but all it takes is one jerk to turn people away. After 30 years though, maybe I'll take another look at Kubotas 😀.
Woah - the same thing happened to me in the 80s at the Iowa State Fair. Probably the same guy! I was only 12-13 but recall that I would never buy anything Kubota because of that experience.
@Jim jibroni being a real farmer and not a hobby farmer, I’ve recently turned to a kubota skid steer and it is an outstanding machine. Not saying I had horrible experiences with the bobcats we had over the years, but the gehl and case skid steers we have/had are subpar. Their z Turns are top of the line for someone with a lot outbuildings or rougher terrain and taller grass. Don’t personally own any of their tractors as most of them are smaller, but did take note they are introducing one with a 6.7 Cummins and zf trans
Wow.. Just wow ! My first impression of the small floe trailer was " we could really use 10 of those for our landscaping business" then that total and complete disaster rep from Floe pulled his power trip and our short lived desire to buy these went " POOF " . Can you imagine trying to deal with this little Hitler ? Ill let other know about this.
Normally these trade shows have the higher up people at these companies too, so it's probably a good reflection of the customer service you'd expect to get.
I think its crazy that FLOE Trailers is at a trailer expo, to show off their new models and when Stan shows interest they don't want the information being shared. If you are not proud of your product you keep it to yourself.
I’m really late here, but “you do that. Do your diligence. Smart man” is perhaps top 10 funniest RUclips moments. Especially with your smirk. Thank you.
Good job Stanley and thanks for helping all of us see the latest in trailer ideas. Those representatives at Floe need a vacation or a disciplinary meeting for being that way. I know, they are thinking they want to protect their product patents, designs and promotions but they need to ease up. And yeah Stanley you are correct in saying a company can make or break their own products. We purchase what makes economic and practical sense.
Wow, you try to give that company free advertising for a trailer and they get in your face for doing them a favor. I can't imagine what I'd do if I had to deal with their customer service
@@Dirtmonkey your awfully nice to give him the benefit of the doubt but I am pretty convinced that this is his every day character shown at his finest. LOL
I was so interested in seeing more on the Cargo Max, Until the "Marketing Man" came out. I am looking for a great all around trailer, Snowmobiles, ATV/UTV and utility, that looked very nice. I have now lost all interest if anyone has another suggestion please let me know, it is unfortunate that FLOE was represented like that.
Don messed up. He DOES NOT represent the employees that manufacture FLOE products. Please consider the design and quality that the employees of FLOE International offer.
You're about as professional as they come. I've never bad mouthed another local company whether I like them or not and I like the fact that you didn't either I always just simply say they do things their way I do things my way that's what sets us apart from each other. And actually being cordial with other local companies has actually benefited us on both ends. Everyone needs helping hand sometimes maybe they had a piece of equipment I didn't have and vice versa.
Same here, I was for the first time about to impulse buy a trailer for my 2 quads when I seen composite and aluminum setup. UNTIL THOSE IDIOTS SHOWED UP.
That Floe crew had some superb sales and marketing skills! Totally dropped the ball on one of their biggest and cheapest advertisement... leave people like that at home when you go to a place meant to advertise your product lol
Had a Aluminum trailer once before and never again , everywhere there was a Bolt running through Aluminum after 1 year the bolts wobbled the hole bigger and became unsafe . No matter the size they are to light and bounce down the road. Steal and heavy is the best .
I really don’t know what Grade the Aluminum was but was pretty much built with 1 1/2” to 6” steel bolts , it looked nice but after 1 years use it started making more noise going down the road hauling a Side By Side, you could grab most Bolts and shake them side to side ! Even in the thick wall tubbing on the under carriage the bolts Wobbled the holes ! Never really over loaded it or abused it but chuck holes in roadway or dirt roads pot holes really took a ponding on the Aluminum! After 1 year half use as is trailer I took it back to the Dealer that sold me the Side By Side and Trailer , the owner had the same thoughts as I , he said it’s not right and told me to leave it here so he can get the Trailer shop owner up to look at it , a week went by and received and call from Bike Shop , he said the owner won’t take it back and stuck it on the bike shop since they sold it to me !!! 1 day went by and received a call back from bike shop , the owner said he will give me 100 percent refund WOW cool . All said and done he dose not sell any more Aluminum Bike Trailers anymore !!! So if a guy picks one up used Aluminum Trailer make sure you check for out of round Bolt Holes !
Hello Stanley. I love seeing the different innovations that the trailer manufacturers are offering. Regarding the guys with the negative attitude towards your RUclips activities and free publicity - When I see Floe, I will say “Hell No” to their products. If the guys didn’t feel comfortable with what you were filming, They could have done so in a civil manner - Not like that. According to the other comments that I have read, I am not the only person that feels like the people from Floe absolutely does not deserve any further consideration of their products. Thanks Stanley for your great videos.
@@Dirtmonkey I noticed the other evening at our local Taco Bell a sign posted at their drive thru window in which that they absolutely do not allow any videotaping - Period. With the weird climate this day and time,, The business world is in a CYA mode. We can only hope and pray that things get better for everyone who has been adversely affected through all of the COVID-19 mess.
It might be open to the public but its not a public place.. The guy just screwed himself on advertising his companies products.. Why?? Who knows, guy acted like a nut case.
@@coryCuc Ima clarify this before anyone else does, but the owner of the property can restrict what is uploaded. However, I doubt they did and the man in the video has no power to decide what is and isn't uploaded, unless the owner backs him up. Even if the went to the owner now though, it wouldn't change anything but future rules. I know you didn't mention this but I figured I'd say it before someone else remembers this rule and tries to argue that you're wrong or something, because it gets a bit technical
@@Lysergic_ Nope. According to supreme court, Constitution says you can film anything within the public view and do as you please with the video. freedom of speech and the press. If you dont want to be seen, dont go to a trade show.
@@notsofresh8563 The trade show is on private property. The organizers of the event have every right to restrict what is recorded, because it is inside of a building that they own. Therefore, out of the public eye. The public eye is basically defined as any space visible from a publicly owned space, sucha s a road or sidewalk. Also I'm not saying Stan is in the wrong, rather I was providing clarification
that was apparently THE Don VanderMey, President at FLOE International. you should be honored to be graced with his presence! 🙄 seriously, that's the kind of CEO that needs to be less involved in the marketing
@@Dirtmonkey Hopefully not too long, Things like this Really tick me off, Ive never represented products on my own per se, Though since having a both Roofing & Welding business's direct in the family i can say that free estimates and word of mouth/reputation/repeat business is Everything... While i mean no disrespect Guys like this Do Not need to be dealing with the public, And the one's ive known typically dont last.
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That freaking guy blew a phenomenal chance of free advertising to your audience. Absolutely unbelievable, keep doing what you do...I love your content!
It worked out great! Now we have a chance to see the owners true colors. Now I know for a fact not to do business with Dan (floe trailers)
Maybe he is on the run from police or some other organization. Doesn’t want to be found
@@landscapingspecialist hmmm, you might be onto something.
@@landscapingspecialist good idea but I dont think that would be a good choice of profession if that were the case 🤔 haha. I'd maybe choose something with a little less publicity.
Minnesota nice for ya, 🙄
The guy from Floe Trailers that was so concerned about everything was actually the VP of Sales Prevention.
lol i bet
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Nice!
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Funny
Wow, Floe could have shown off their trailers to 17,000+ people in one shot. I think if I owned the company, I'd be looking for a salesman with a little more knowledge of how technology works today.
@zugzug6773 that's cute but could have been a lot more. My comment stands.
Someone said that was the company president!
congrats Don, way to represent the company. I'll be sure to avoid Floe when purchasing my next trailer.
look at the new video with floe
@Rv cool story bro
@Rv You sound like a pay-pig
@Rv ..... but he's a marketeer at a tradeshow- there literally to represent the entire company
Maybe if they build garbage, otherwise why? There's a lot of clowns working for one company that trash others, making their employer look good.
The FLOE trailer guy being that cagey because of a camera causes me to wonder two things. 1. What have they been caught on camera lying about before? 2. What are they trying to hide? Those are the only two logical reasons someone wouldn't want to pitch their product to 650,000 subscribers.
That guy is the company's president named Don VanderMey
@@oleithrucker2293 floe has piles of you tube vids up.
ruclips.net/user/Floeintlsocialvideos
@@oleithrucker2293 hopefully those 650k subscribers will share this video and over a half million people will never buy a Floe product because of him.
Some one might be a f e l o n.
@@ZAPATTUBE did you find something perhaps in MN?
I'm glad I saw this video. I know this is over a year old, but I "WAS" looking at Floe Trailers for a new project that I had fell into and thought they were a good fit. This representative made me realize I don't want to do business with them because of his attitude. Never the less I went with another company and ecstatic that I did. Thank you Dirt Monkey for saving me a bundle.
The Floe interaction just proves that some presidents of companies are so far removed from their customer and the market that they do more harm than good and are way over paid. This president should hire a good marketing manager and let them do their job.
Perfectly expressed….not a healthy place!!!
So after seeing the floe guy, every time I see them trailers I’ll think of that jackass. I wish you would’ve never blurred his face out when you do that. I feel like you shouldn’t even show the video.
This guy and his demeanor makes me want to avoid his company. Seems to me he wasn't comfortable speaking about the features and benefits of his product to 650k people that are certainly his target consumers for one of two reasons: either his product doesn't have many features and benefits over his competitors or he BS's to the public about his product at these trade shows. Either way, his attitude makes it out like he doesn't want any wide visibility on what he does. Marketing fail.
Stan's reaction (super cordial and even gives the rep another shot to regroup and try again) amplifies how bad the rep's interaction was. I would be surprised if the company doesn't reach out to Stan, after marketing does their "due diligence" lol
Great video as always, Stan!
It does make you wonder why he feels insecure or threatened somehow. Perhaps something isn't so great with the product.
That's what I was thinking, I loved stans professional response
To be fair, he didn't know upwards of a million views were incoming. Stan could have been some rando jackass with ten subscribers for all he knew.
He could have looked him up, and found out in five seconds though lol
It always amazes me when I've encountered these kinds of sales staff that just don't see the potential benefit of "controlling the message" by giving you an informative, easy to understand breakdown of thier product, in a professional but otherwise friendly manner and are willing to answer any and all kinds of questions no matter how silly it might seem, all to ensure the potential buyer has all the information they need.... just like every single one of the other sales people Stanley spoke to did, before Don came on the scene.
I used to be a salesman and the moment you said "maybe you'd like to give us more information about the product" and he said "no I'm not sure I want to" I was like - he should be fired. The right answer was "absolutely sir, it would be my pleasure and thanks for giving me the opportunity to showcase our fine trailers for you and your audience".
I've forwarded this YT to Floe International with a tweet, be interesting if they respond or reach out to you Stanley.
Floe Trailers should be sponsoring 'Dirt Monkey.' Such idiots.
He is afraid he will creatively edit and twist his words. E.g., if he ever answers NO or YES, he could splice the question to make it look bad. Do you have a QC issue- "YES!" Bottom line, he does not trust this guy or his motives.
@@MOAB-UT oh yeah. The trailer video genre is notorious for drama videos 🤣 get real buddy
Did trade shows for about 30 years and would have been thrilled to have an opportunity to share my products/ solutions with social media / Hell man you’re doing all the work.
Those guys blew it .
That’s why I was there …
Basically.Just trying to share some cool shiz 👊
It's free advertising for the companies as well
They ABSOLUTELY blew it! Those sales guys should go back to marketing school! eye-roll...
@@Dirtmonkey Typical useless trash people thinking they got authority. Literally Depression just hit in the USA and this idiot is giving hard time to potential buyers....wow.
Gas prices going to 6$ + dollars or more per gallon and complete crash of the bitcoin (down to 5k each projected).
Love your videos 😂
@@tombrandt9406 You have it backwards, the folding trailer guy is a marketer but what they need at a show is a sales rep. He lost it when he folded his arms, that shows a lack of confidence, and you can't sell something like that.
When the owner watches this video and realizes his employee just made his product look bad on the most popular RUclips channel in his field, that employee will be fired. If not, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and their marketing failures will continue - which is the demise of any business.
That guy is the president of FLOE Trailers named Don VanderMey
Don VanderMey, President at FLOE International
I'm sure there has to be somebody above him though. Like the owner(s)? Depending on how the company is structured.
Someone has already posted this video to their FB page and I'm sure someone from corporate will see it.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY i mean hes the owner, not sure people are above the owner, i highly doubt its a public company.
They went from having an awesome lead source generator with entire groups of people interested in buying these products, to the same group of people who now will think twice and buy somewhere else a little more friendlier and helpful. That was a lot of fear on display. That reaction tells me that if I bought one of their trailers, once the sale was done, nothing but crickets would be heard.
Wow, blurred face man does a brilliant job at scaring away potential customers.... I forget, what is the purpose of a vendor being at a trade show?
To derail sales
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He FLOE’d up! 😂
He could have marketed to (probably) over half a million people for the cost of 5 minutes of work he was doing anyway.
@@stevenradams They all FLOE down.
I guess that makes me one of the 650 thousand "people" who have now done my diligence and think they have something they are hiding and wouldn't buy even a trailer light from them now.
They bolted a bed liner to an aluminum frame. Not sure I would want to put the zero turn up in it and it may slide out if I did.
I'm guessing the weight limit is garbage, and the plastic is liable to crack if stored outside in prolonged direct sunlight.
@@KlockoFett Yep, but can you also imagine putting a skid steer snow blade down on that plastic when it's 10 below out. Or, how about having to walk on that plastic if the skid steer leaked a little hydraulic oil? Not sure if it will cause a person to break their neck but doing my diligence (like the man said), tells me that it might. What a wiener! I mean whiner.. lol Stan, you should make a special edition shirt that says, "Just say no to Floe".. I can't say you'd sell 650k of them but I know for sure you could sell 1. To see one of THEIR youtube videos.. ruclips.net/video/1OE1fntemIQ/видео.html.. Hilariously, the theme is that "there is always a better way"
Here is what they say about what happened with Dirt Monkey..
FLOE International
1 hour ago
From Don at FLOE.
We were exhibiting at a wholesale show where manufacturers interact with current and prospective dealer partners.
We hadn’t had any prior discussion or insight with this potential video opportunity.
Wow. That was a horrible experience and interaction with both of those representatives. I rewatched it several times because I could not believe it. You did a good job on keeping your cool.
12:25 The best part was how you handled the situation. You were tactful and gave him a chance.
I personally think he should have said he was a trailer spy and he now had enough information on his camera to bring their company to its knees. Then laughed like a mad man.
@@thegrimyeaper "I'm recording this for a research group in China interested in stealing all your trade secrets and duplicating your design for a fraction of the cost." Honestly, their design getting ripped off was probably the main source of fear.
Stay strong and thanks for the video. That guy couldn't sell water in the desert
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You kept your cool and kept from laughing in his face. You were excellent.
Lots of cool trailers 😍
Man that dude shot his own foot hope he's reading this and understands that your audience appreciates your input and reviews.
He was a jerkster.
@@ZAPATTUBE Let's all spam the company LoL
We were definitely on different pages that’s for sure
@@Dirtmonkey Stan, last night they had 454 views on their latest video, with multiple comments and even 2 responses from Don, the Chief Marketing Officer. This morning, there are over 56K views, and only 3 comments. They obviously scrubbed his response, and ALL of the negative comments, apparently trying to do damage control. Next step is for them to turn the comments off. If you can, tell Don to pound sand, there's no way I would do business with that company after this interaction, and how they handle the heat they get from your viewers.
What’s the name of that company that guy worked for please? I want to make sure I NEVER buy from them? Anyone know???
14:05 😂😂😂 I was getting torqued right there with you. Those fellas were a little too big for their britches. It's just a trailer guys! Don't you want to sell a boatload of them?!?
Why was he so concerned that Stan makes money off his videos? It almost was like he was looking for a way to profit off it and if he couldn't weasel something out of it then he wasn't "interested". Well, there actually was a way to profit from Stans video but he was so concerned about what someone else might be earning that he couldn't focus on making anything himself. 😃
I bet they’re Democrats!
@@craighatch3221 probably 😂
@@jamesnm21 Stanly's comeback should of been Do I charge your for free advertising?
Those trailers are top secret information. Not just anyone can walk up and take pictures….. oh, wait…. that’s the whole point of the trade show, my bad
That hook-lift trailer type deal is pretty neat. Being able to have variety of bins and other attachments is awesome!!
I guess the "Marketing man" was not so good at marketing. 😂 "I'm on RUclips, this is my audience", reply "I don't know what that is". What? Welcome to marketing prior to 2005. Sounds like someone isn't very trained in marketing for 2021. I usually all for the new / little guy in a market but with that kind of attitude, I have a tough time wishing him luck. Thanks for sharing. Many creators I follow wouldn't have even showed that much but for me it helps to see what you as a creator actually go through. Often the poor experiences are more valuable than the positive. I really appreciate that you include stuff most wouldn't.
That guy was the FLOE Trailers president named Don VanderMey
@@texasboy2005 wow good god. If that’s the president, I am even more turned away.
@@OrionRoen Precisely. That interaction is nothing but warning flags, bells, all of it. Might be a fine trailer but I wouldn't give it a second look after that interaction.
@@OrionRoen I completely agree with you!
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Couldn't imagine buying a Floe Trailer and have to deal with that guy if I had a warranty issue.
That was the company's president Don VanderMey
LOL
always appreciate your content..professional, open minded to variants and fair..this guy had a bad case of paranoia or a lack of confidence in his product..thanks for sharing
I went from "OH cool trailer! I wanna know more and may get one. To SCREW THAT PLACE AND THAT GUY", real fast.
He acted like, youtube?! What is this witchcraft you speak of?
Their loss for not seeing the big picture.
RUclips craft 🤣
You know the camera steals a salesman’s soul.
This is why I watch your channel man. You aren't advertising, you're curious and intrigued by this stuff and so are we, thats why we watch. Much love
So glad you’re here! 👍👍
Thanks Don...if people can't talk freely about their products then I'm not spending any money on them...Keep shinning the light...I love your content! Cheers!!
Hi Stan! Long time follower here... we have learned so much from you and appreciate you and your content! My husband has been researching trailers for a few months now and Floe was one of the top ones he was considering due to durability. I just sent him this video and didn't say anything. He responded back and said "The list just got smaller...took Floe off." I'm so glad we saw this now. Blur face guy needs to get caught up with the times and should have seen your interaction as an opportunity and a blessing for the exposure. Big mistake...huge. God bless!
I'm looking for trailer n just from the guys action won't even consider looking further Into there products sure there better companies n trailers on Market
no go look at the new video with floe trailers you'd be suprised
@@thresh9606 why?
Just because they realized they pulled an amber and 💩 the bed?
I don't have a RUclips channel with 10m subs. I'm gonna get the random guy off the street treatment, not the celebrity RUclipsr one.
@@TheBrothergreen they were confused and rightfully so ngl kinda weird to be taking b roll shots of some random booth. dude doesnt want his idea stolen so fair enough.
@Patrick Faricy well when you have someone taking videos/photos of your product what do you think he is gonna do with it.
Guy missed out on free advertising for their trailers. Genius business model.
Well actually now this whole video is about him, so in a way he stuck out and got noticed
@@njmallday For the wrong reasons thou..
@@njmallday And ensured that anybody who saw this will think twice about his products, and lost thousands of possible customers. He kinda shot himself in the foot lol
@@njmallday It's the Streisand Effect.
Geez...the Paranoia of that one company , you're doing an Awesome job of comparison and What's New.....keep it up!
Gotta wonder what that company's customer service or the fine print warranty excuses might be🥴
If that is how they treat potential customers immagine how they must treat suppliers or staff!
Right...
We appreciate what you do Stan! That guy was a complete "diligent" tool. But whatever, lots of other good vendors. Thanks for sharing Stan.
Thanks for being here! Glad you enjoyed 😊
Agreed……
That's all the due diligence I need about Floe Trailers. Thanks.
Wow ive never seen a reverse salesmen until now! Thats the fastest I've ever made up my mind on a company. Thanks Stanley for posting the interaction for all of us to see!
Reverse salesmen 🤣
I always feel like any company that wants that much control of content has something to hide, either by omission or manipulation. Apparently, they've failed or refuse to recognize that trailer manufacturing and sales is a very crowded and competitive market space with no shortage of innovations and inventory.
Agreed.
I don't think a person's own ignorance necessarily has to speak for the company they work for. Some people are just stupid.
@@bryanrussell6679 normally I would agree with you..buttt...it was 2 guys not just 1..but any company that would be lawyer wanna be...well..all I have to say is to not attend those shows..and that company has no rights to not want video in public viewing...when you step in public view, by your own choices...yeah..they are opening pandoras box for lawsuits..
And I can guarantee you that they had cameras recording Dirt Monkey...see how that works???😁🤯🤔😹😹😹😹
OR here's a thought, Maybe they are brand new in the game coming out with something never heard or seen before, That they think they need to be extremely cautious about who they show there product to before they get it out. They might be naive enough, Thinking they are in a place only for contractors and benefactors. Thinking it's all confidential, until they can get it up and running full board. But in the end of all this jibberish, They are idiots lol, sure way to get a bad rep, Is to insult someone who has a huge following in the business Market they are in.
Happened with the Festool company. They sued a guy for control of his website which was a festool forum. The guy didnt have the money to hire lawyers to fight them, and years of his work went down the drain for him. He caved and gave them the website.
I would have changed the name of the website, and left it alone, or not use it at all and let them build their own website. Some people are greedy
Nice job handling that situation! They are literally there to get their name out, and oh boy they did, not in a good way!
I am more inclined to purchase ANY of the other manufacturers trailers than one from Floe. If their marketing is that bad then what kind of quality are the trailers they make? Even if it’s top notch, the attitude of the employees, that one in particular, makes me look elsewhere.
The employees that manufacture FLOE products are cringing at Don's etiquette. Please reconsider the FLOE brand on account of the quality and hard work that they put into those products.
@@mikeruthford7849 Nah it just shows bad costumer service... and no matter how well product is made you still have to deal with costumer service.
@@mikeruthford7849 Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20... oops
@@mikeruthford7849 guess Don hasn’t learned how to go with the Floe. Please let him know he’s been nominated for the Tool of the Year award, and it’s not for his trailer
I was almost interested in the Floe product - but a company that feels like they have to manipulate the media is not a company you want to work with. Sales guy do enough manipulation in just what information they share and don't share, but to try to put a choke hold on it, scummy and scammy. I am fascinated by that Adapt-X trailer.
Please don't let the actions of "Don" skew your interest in FLOE's products. FLOE employs many hard working folk in northern Minnesota. They would certainly appreciate your support of a purchase.
@mike, that's why it's important not to be a douche. You lose customers, period.
@@mikeruthford7849 Those workers should come together and hold him accountable. If Don owns the company, then they should quit and start their own trailer business together as he is clearly not a decent person to be around.
Agreed.
@@mikeruthford7849 oh well
if I had a new tailor, your the 1st guy I would want to show it to!!!! thanks for your video.
Love the trailer content Stan!
Ps; Not sure where this guy thought he was….but the ENTIRE idea of a trade show is to allow manufacturers to get their product out there, photos, video, word-of-mouth. And in this digital age we’re in, what you were doing is exactly what participants of the trade show want.
Exactly!!!
I have to shake scratch my head. Did they just turned down free advertising? Maybe he should of done his due diligence as he said, and checked him out. Instead he checked himself out! Out of publicity. SMH
If I was running marketing at Floe I'd have some words for those guys for sure. Shame because those polymer dump trailers are great trailers my friend has one and i've seen it in action.
@@bthull checkout Stan’s new video….Floe reached out to him & realized their mistake/misunderstanding
@@jonnyonwheels Yea, once he realized Stan is RUclips Famous and tons of angry people commenting on their FaceBook Business group page. Once $$$ was on the line, he groveled and apologize. Don't expect to get the same treatment if you are an average joe.
Well I won’t be ever be purchasing a FLOE trailer!
As of now. There are 58 comments on this video and I’ve only seen one where the guy is standing up for the salesman. So I’m pretty sure Flow trailers will end up hearing about their terrible decision of a salesman one way or another.
@@texasboy2005 yikes, That’s not a good way to promote the business, All he had to do was give a rundown of the sales brochure,
@@vxnova1 I completely agree!
With everything going with social media right now you guys can’t wrap your heads around why they want to know who’s promoting their equipment really? Clearly most of you have never been Business owners.
He hasn’t figured out dat dag gum socialsinternets media
I keep thinking who you remind me of.....lol.......you are the Richard Rawlings of the landscape world!
Can't believe how tight arse that person was he is trying to advertise his trailer but don't want to give others to show there trailer. That's how they don't make the money. Great videos keep doing what your doing.
Pretty unexpected I'd say! But thanks Richard appreciate it 👊
Even if they apologize and try to make amends, they have already shown us who and what they are. . .not a company I want to deal with.
Gracious , does that chap not have RUclips . Everyone surely would see a conversation with you as a positive , even he didn’t actually watch your particular channel . I am always impressed with your calm cool responses .
You know that I love trailers. That seems lame that the guy didn't want to plug his trailers on camera. Free advertising. Thanks Stan.
Yeah, for a marketing guy he isn't very good at his job, especially if he didn't know what youtube was.
His loss.
@@mmarkgraf212 He is the company's president named Don VanderMey
It’s funny how that one guy is the only one that doesn’t want a RUclipsr to help plug. We as consumers and customers wonder what is he hiding or what is he not up to date with how things are sold these days.
He probably didn't want to thinking you would try to tarnish his name. That's the only possible thing I could think off lol. I mean why wouldn't you want to.
The flow trailer looked like a harbor freight trailer with a bed liner on top.
Awesome foldable trailer. I wonder what the load capacity is, and if they come in a dual axel.
Those dump bins need a simple built-in scale that lets you know when the weight limit is reached. Helps customers get the most out of the bin and protects the operator and his equipment.
I wish that was a standard feature in all trucks and trailers honestly.
Awesome idea 👊
they could use the same technology that is in grain carts.... digital readout on the side... or heck, there could be an app for that.... great idea!
Not really practical to put a scale on the box, too easy to damage the load cells. A scale on the trailer would be a good option, that's how the big roll off trucks do it.
It's a good idea in theory, but at least with roll offs we get guys dropping concrete slabs over the side or dragging them around around an excavator... it wouldn't hold up
I gotta say, I work with Marketing Pukes in a regular basis, and I've never seen one that wouldn't do unnatural acts for free publicity! Keep up the good work, I love these trailer videos! BTW, I use an Iron Bull dump trailer that I pull with my 1990 F-250 (73k original miles!) around the house. Most useful trailer I've ever owned!
Awesome stuff!!
'Unnatural' acts. GOLD!!!😂😂😆😆😆
I run an Iron Bull 14k goose neck tandem dump. Gets my tractor and hauls anything anywhere. Never an issue with it. Plus I love the laser cut out logo etc. nice touches
That fold up trailer is awesome.
Good job Don, you friggin dope. I hope you read all these comments. Companies need to be educating their older sales people on the power of social media.
💥 I’m so glad this wasn’t just click bait. For that guy not knowing the advantages of RUclips social media advertising tells me all I need to know.
I’ll steer clear of their company. 🤦♂️
*Keep on tractoring!*
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Interestingly, Floe has their own marketing videos hosted on... you guessed it. RUclips
@@MrZippy052 Oh my, that’s even funnier. 😂
@@ritterjon What's even more interesting is this clown is the president of the company, his name is Don VanderMey.
The transformer trailer is reasonably. Bing searching for a trail to carry our kayaks. If you price the Yakima kayak trailer you'll find this a steal. I gotta check it out. Thanks for putting it out there!!
Not the best salesmen oof 😬. Thats really unfortunate for them. The others understood even if you dont like to be on camera this is your opportunity to reach way further than the trade show. Sales lost for sure just with the bad attitude but also the lost opportunity to hype their product. How would the customer service be if the sales people have this much attitude?
More views on this site in one day than people that came through the trade show in person. Sorry Floe, I would have been interested in the polymer trailer and only became aware after this video.
That was FLOE Trailers president Don VanderMey. He handled himself poorly at that public trade show.
no sure isnt but the other guys were glade be on you tube i know if i had a manufacturing company id be enjoying being on you tube wich is fun plus helps gets business growing and eduction too
@@texasboy2005 Im guessing you are part of the competition? You running around everywhere telling everyone who he is. hahaha. Hes a clown for sure.
@@dztrbdgodI work for a metal distributor so I'm not a competitor. However, I am a fan of Dirt Monkey.
The Floe guys reaction does not surprise me at all. I had several dealings with the company back in the early 2000's they were all a PITA. They could make the best product on the market (which they don't) and I would not purchase it. I'm almost embarrassed that they are a MN company.
Dang. Noted
Lol, great review, funny guys at the end. Cheers
Love these videos Stanley, it helps me with what to look for in a trailer and what company (Floe) to avoid. Dear company CEO, don't fire him, drag him through broken glass until he understands where he went wrong.
Keep them coming Stanley.
Odd coming from a boomer asking for this guy to be dragged through glass…. Cancel culture much?
@@taylorgang907 cancel culture much? Well most boomers know how to construct a sentence/questions along with understanding what we read, cancel culture would want the company to be shut down, try again.
You do realize that was the actual Vice President of the company. And nothing is wrong with not wanting to be on camera answering questions about your product. Especially since he didn’t know who Stanly was or what the intention was. A lot of companies shy away from answering questions on camera when they are just put on the spot like that for a lot of reasons, anything they say can be taken out of context, the guy is the VP and doesn’t care about stanly or his audience.
Your POV is redundant and ridiculous. If you went to ANY company for 90% of the products you use on a daily basis and put a camera in their face they would do the same thing. I doubt you have even been to many trade shows if any, but it’s pretty uncommon to see a guy asking everyone questions while filming. Most of the people at these are actual companies looking for contracts for their businesses for private or commercial use. You gotta remember that dirt monkey makes a living off of this, so technically he is making money showcasing a product that isn’t his, they would obviously want to be In control of how their product is portrayed.
@@gsaexperience8578 I did see the follow up video on this and he did regeem himself. I do understand what Stanley does, watch all his videos,
Their president's name is Don. Seriously wonder if that's him
He’s probably the owners nephew, because he certainly isn’t a salesman. I owned a marketing firm, been to more of these shows than I care talk about and that guy did unimaginable damage to his brand by acting that way. You can have hundreds of satisfactory experiences with a product and nobody will likely hear about it, but one terrible experience will be noted and recounted many times. Marketing 101
He's the company's president named Don VanderMey
@@texasboy2005 Don is not the owner. He is the international President. Wayne Floe is CEO
@@trimble1049 I never said he was the owner.
@@texasboy2005 Richard must be partaking in a bit too much medication me thinks .
@@trimble1049 What is the brand?
Interesting interaction lol. Love that car hauler with the beveled rail , great video man!!!
Thanks buddy!
Wow! I've had similar things happen before and it's always super awkward...mainly for them. I always say "they either get it or they don't.....and if they don't, it's a big loss on their end". Cheers brother
The situation was a little awkward, only because I think we're all embarrassed for the president's ignorance, but Stan handled it very smoothly live. What is the company president doing at the trade show if he isn't willing to pitch the product to hundreds of thousands of potential customers?
The whole time I was watching the video, I was thinking how lucky each company was to get so much free advertising. Then the last guy looks a gift horse in the mouth. That was painful to watch
I expected the next words out of that guy's mouth to be like, "I don't know what this MeTube is all about but it's illegal to film me without my permission." He seems destined to stay in charge of A very small plastic trailer company.
A wild JD has been spotted!! 🤣😂
@@nightfall22 That soul is still in purgatory, might just stay there with that judgement! You can see what their motives are.
What a genius lol This day and age I'd think someone might expect this at any trade show, SEMA or any of that! I've had similar reactions from folks in the past at trade shows....frustrating to the point that I just don't go much anymore
Stoney Ridge, did you ever finish your dads Jeep? I need to go back to watching your channel. I recently bought a new motorcycle so my interest has turned to those videos. That being said, this is why HD or Indian or any other manufacturer invites the RUclipsrs on demonstration rides cause they know biased videos will go out to be seen by 10’s of thousands of people who are interested in that product instead of paying for expensive TV commercial’s that every one will either FF through or get another beer from the fridge.
BTW- thanks for talking to the guy with the fold up trailer. I have limited space in my garage and those will fit nicely.
@@davidhempsted9081 Hi David, Don't laugh but Harbor Freight had had foldable 4 foot X 8 foot trailers for years. I bought my son in law one last year and we put it together in an afternoon. I admit I was impressed with the build quality. They have two versions, I got the more expensive one. It was only like $30 or $40 more and had a higher load capacity. It had Carlisle tires and brand name hubs. It was only about $400 bucks. If you don't need a BIG trailer, it's pretty darn good. He took it from TN to NY right after he got it and had used it a lot since then.
People are afraid of cameras. Every one loves to act like they are in charge. Many more accommodating manufacturers out there . Good Job shedding light on this one.
Good stuff, thanks for the updates and info.
What I really, really dislike about nearly all these companies is that none of them provide a price without calling them first. I don't want to call every trailer dealer for a price to shop, I want to shop by comparing features AND $$$$$.
I HATE it when prices aren't shown. Mostly it's annoying and I'll go somewhere else, but i just thought of something. WHY don't they state a price? Is it a case by case basis, and they wuote higher prices to someone that looks gullible enough, and claim they sold it at normal price, to score more profit on paper?
Are they dipshits, or tax dodgers?? lolol
@@dethmaul I had a sales person at a trailer company tell me they don’t advertise the prices online or over the phone because they don’t want the competition to beat their prices. He was happy to tell me to drive an hour one way to get the prices in person. I told him that didn’t make sense because if I owned a company competing against another company, I’d either go around and get the prices, or I’d hire someone to do it for me. But I most certainly wasn’t going to drive an hour to discover they were over priced.
@@dethmaul Car lots do that very same tactic and yes, it's because they size the buyer up once they first speak. It's a sick move and I refuse to shop at places like that.
If they dont provide a ballpark price i go to another ballpark
I will NEVER buy a Floe intl. trailer or any product of their's just because of how that A hole came across. That guy stigmatized Floe for me in a very sour way.
Same. I’ll never do business or recommend them to anyone.
Seems extreme to disregard a manufacturer based on one persons reluctance to be videotaped… but you do you.
Yeah he was a prick.
Nowadays it seems like their everywhere.
@@acbad434 not to mention there's no doubt in my mind that alot these you tubers are addicted to the attention like crack, fail to imagine that some people don't want themselves showcased like they choose to do.
@@acbad434 If they act like that to the public, then they most likely treat their employees way worse. Thats enough for me to steer clear of them.
I'll never support a business with guys like that at the helm. I love businesses that are transparent and open with you. Much love to your channel and thank you for your hard work! If I ever need a trailer which guy to turn too 💚
I appreciate you taking the time to give us a look at new products and meet the people that are responsible for providing us with an image of the company behind the product. There are times where I love the product, but I develop even more of a love for the brand after you interview someone who is passionate, knowledgeable, and committed about their prospective view on how to do something right. I have purchased products because of your reviews and interviews. However this is one time I would have to make a mental note on why I wouldn't want to spend my money with this company. I can't imagine what a customer service request or warranty claim would consist of. Way to handle that professionally and please keep the content coming.
Couldn’t agree more! Thanks Vincent & glad you’re here 😁
I totally feel what your saying an agree with you 💯% on everything as well. I couldn't have said it any better myself brother.
That guy was FLOE Trailers president Don VanderMey ??? WOW, that company deserves to go out of business!!! WHAT A TOOL, I'll never consider one of their products again!. This shows EXACTLY why company principals (owners) should NEVER be allowed onto the sales floor! That's why SALES PROFESSIONALS are hired to facilitate that aspect of the business! On behalf of EVERY OTHER Minnesota citizen, WE APOLOGIZE on Mr. Vandermey's behalf !!!
LOL. Not sure why I found your comment so funny but I guess you said what I was thinking.
^What he said 😂👍
Should have hired Art Vandelay instead
I have a Floe snowmobile trailer and it's a well made trailer! This video doesn't give me a good feeling if I would need any customer service from them though! I will also say that you have to be cautious about everything these days, because you never know what kind of scam someone is trying to pull and you can't blame him for being cautious. With that being said and you telling him what was going on, on & off camera, that guy blew his opportunity to showcase his products to a huge audience for free! On top of it made him and his company look bad. I'm betting he'd be offended if you started asking him financial questions about his business, but he apparently didn't think it was an issue asking you those questions. WOW!
At this point, that fool missed out on 1,062,761 free ads
Stan u need to have these trailer dealers clarify those weight numbers cuz too many rookies think when dealer says 14,000 lbs that it's the magic number they can haul when in fact these dealers play games, they never tell u that the trailer weighs 4,000 lbs that comes off that 14,000 lbs.
That’s where GVW differs from GVWR.
What's the difference between GVWR and GVW? The gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum amount of weight the trailer is able to safely hold and transport, as rated by the manufacturer. The gross vehicle weight (GVW) is how much the trailer and its payload weighs together.
Always pay attention to the GVW, after calculating the GVWR.
@@gsettlemyre I know the difference as I've been doing this stuff for 30 years, I commented on this because the salesperson referred to the gross weigh on a trailer of 14,000 lbs whereas that the gross weight and lots of rookies think they are getting a 14,000 lb dump trailer whereas that's not the case but the sales person wants to make a quick sale so they use thr higher number to trick the person into buying the trailer only for them to find out later by a state trooper when they get forced to run over a scale.
Isnt that basic knowledge for everyone with a driving license?
@@jonasstahl9826 no not really kids who are 18 years old thinking they can overtake the whole world when they buy that first trailer think that if it fits on Rhee trailer it's there's to haul like I said I've been doing this 30 years ans there's little I haven't seen...
@@MrBigblueford Seems to me like a lack of education, isnt that taught in driving school in America?
Also we have the speed limit of 80kmh/50mph or 100kmh/62mph when the trailer has shocks, while towing in Europe
Occurs to me that at a trailer show, the exhibitors can not restrict your filming. You are a lot more polite than a lot of people. You are very professional. In Texas we would tell him to piss up a rope.
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Totally agree, the products speek for themselves with an honest sales person. I personally wouldn't do business with that type of person but that's me. In your wonderings on trailers, looking for an inventive way to make my front Snowmobile rams angle back with an easy & consistent latch system. Seen a few different styles but nothing great. The ramps are attached to one another vs having a center post. Any thoughts??
You did a great overview of all the products. I knew when I saw the blurred face that THIS was our guy. You handled it very diplomatically and respectfully. Kudos.
Appreciate that 👊
I think the guy was scared that some of the flaws of the trailer would be pointed out. If there weren’t cameras allowed in the building then there would be a sign. Some people just crack me up. 🤣
Don VanderMey, President at FLOE International
Quite possibly 🤨
Thanks for showing us the trade show for trailer. Blown away by the reaction of the Floe Trailer Co. Rep. What a good ball! Good job exposing these guys. I am very certain if they behave this way a a show that is ment yo show case equipment, you don't want to ever do business with them. They'd be crooks for certain. They were laime!
So I just sent an email through Floe's product support contact page explaining how I won't be looking to them for my new trailer "for which I'm currently in the market" due to their marketing directors lack of performance. I didn't name names just expressed my disappointment.
Thanks for taking time out to show all of your viewers the innovation and products at these shows.
That is not the marketing director, that is the president of the company, Don VanderMey.
Yeah. Because you were in the market for a polymer trailer 🙄
Don’t be a POS review bomber. Who cares if the VP doesn’t want to be on camera and instantly divulge any and all information to some random guy with a camera. You are just as big of a clown as that guy since you went out of your way to send and email and lie to a company you had never heard of before to tell them you won’t buy from them. Get a fucking grip man. What a sad reaction.
Congrats, you just reached the next level liberalism. It is more commonly called a Karen!
Floe president Don is a. Idiot
This reminds me of the Kubota guy at the Minnesota State Fair. Back in the '80s when Machinery Hill still had cool farm tractors. Everyone was climbing on the John Deeres, etc (which was encouraged); I went over to the Kubota display and sat on a tractor and two seconds later the Kubota guy said 'That's enough, get down". And it's not like I was touching anything other than the steering wheel. Nor was anybody waiting in line (like at the other brands). Kubota lost a customer for life there.
Thats too bad you threw out the whole line over one bad local sales guy that likely is not even a direct Kubota employee. They make great tractors..
@Jennifer WhiteWolf: Yes, thank you, you're right; it is sad. (My college roommate had a Kubota and was a big Kubota fan). The parallelism here is so similar in that both Kubota and Floe produce quality products (The Floe trailer is very well constructed for the general homeowner), but all it takes is one jerk to turn people away. After 30 years though, maybe I'll take another look at Kubotas 😀.
Woah - the same thing happened to me in the 80s at the Iowa State Fair. Probably the same guy! I was only 12-13 but recall that I would never buy anything Kubota because of that experience.
@Jim jibroni - says a JD fan boy
@Jim jibroni being a real farmer and not a hobby farmer, I’ve recently turned to a kubota skid steer and it is an outstanding machine. Not saying I had horrible experiences with the bobcats we had over the years, but the gehl and case skid steers we have/had are subpar.
Their z Turns are top of the line for someone with a lot outbuildings or rougher terrain and taller grass.
Don’t personally own any of their tractors as most of them are smaller, but did take note they are introducing one with a 6.7 Cummins and zf trans
rip Floe Stan has quite a big audience what a shame. good job keeping it proffesional
Seems like respect is almost losing it’s significance these days 🙏
That last guy almost seems like he had something to hide. Id think twice before I would but ANYTHING from him
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Wow.. Just wow ! My first impression of the small floe trailer was " we could really use 10 of those for our landscaping business" then that total and complete disaster rep from Floe pulled his power trip and our short lived desire to buy these went " POOF " .
Can you imagine trying to deal with this little Hitler ?
Ill let other know about this.
Normally these trade shows have the higher up people at these companies too, so it's probably a good reflection of the customer service you'd expect to get.
I think its crazy that FLOE Trailers is at a trailer expo, to show off their new models and when Stan shows interest they don't want the information being shared. If you are not proud of your product you keep it to yourself.
I know that's what I'm saying! It just doesn't really add up
I’m really late here, but “you do that. Do your diligence. Smart man” is perhaps top 10 funniest RUclips moments. Especially with your smirk. Thank you.
Good job Stanley and thanks for helping all of us see the latest in trailer ideas. Those representatives at Floe need a vacation or a disciplinary meeting for being that way. I know, they are thinking they want to protect their product patents, designs and promotions but they need to ease up. And yeah Stanley you are correct in saying a company can make or break their own products. We purchase what makes economic and practical sense.
You got it man 👊👊
i dont see how showing the trailer on youtube will indanger there patents
Wow, you try to give that company free advertising for a trailer and they get in your face for doing them a favor. I can't imagine what I'd do if I had to deal with their customer service
SO TRUE.
Yeah probably would be brutal but who knows...maybe this guy was just having a bad day
@@Dirtmonkey Doubt it, Ill bet he is a punk in real life too!
@@Dirtmonkey your awfully nice to give him the benefit of the doubt but I am pretty convinced that this is his every day character shown at his finest. LOL
That collapsible trailer is the bomb! And reasonably priced too, a work write off that would pay for itself in a year.
I was so interested in seeing more on the Cargo Max, Until the "Marketing Man" came out. I am looking for a great all around trailer, Snowmobiles, ATV/UTV and utility, that looked very nice. I have now lost all interest if anyone has another suggestion please let me know, it is unfortunate that FLOE was represented like that.
Don messed up. He DOES NOT represent the employees that manufacture FLOE products. Please consider the design and quality that the employees of FLOE International offer.
@@mikeruthford7849 Nope F that guy!
I figured he’d even be stoked about it! But I guess we were just on totally different pages
You're about as professional as they come. I've never bad mouthed another local company whether I like them or not and I like the fact that you didn't either I always just simply say they do things their way I do things my way that's what sets us apart from each other. And actually being cordial with other local companies has actually benefited us on both ends. Everyone needs helping hand sometimes maybe they had a piece of equipment I didn't have and vice versa.
Exactly! You got it. Keep it respectful and remember what matters 👍
Great builds. 🇺🇲🥃
Dang I was seriously looking At that composite trailer but I don't know if I can give my money to a company like that in good conscience
Same here, I was for the first time about to impulse buy a trailer for my 2 quads when I seen composite and aluminum setup. UNTIL THOSE IDIOTS SHOWED UP.
Would you like to call him for a warranty problem? HELL NO !!!
Same here. Glad to know where to not shop.
That Floe crew had some superb sales and marketing skills! Totally dropped the ball on one of their biggest and cheapest advertisement... leave people like that at home when you go to a place meant to advertise your product lol
Had a Aluminum trailer once before and never again , everywhere there was a Bolt running through Aluminum after 1 year the bolts wobbled the hole bigger and became unsafe . No matter the size they are to light and bounce down the road. Steal and heavy is the best .
Oooh yeah that makes sense.
What grade of aluminum was that trailer made from? Any idea what brand or make/model?
I really don’t know what Grade the Aluminum was but was pretty much built with 1 1/2” to 6” steel bolts , it looked nice but after 1 years use it started making more noise going down the road hauling a Side By Side, you could grab most Bolts and shake them side to side ! Even in the thick wall tubbing on the under carriage the bolts Wobbled the holes ! Never really over loaded it or abused it but chuck holes in roadway or dirt roads pot holes really took a ponding on the Aluminum!
After 1 year half use as is trailer I took it back to the Dealer that sold me the Side By Side and Trailer , the owner had the same thoughts as I , he said it’s not right and told me to leave it here so he can get the Trailer shop owner up to look at it , a week went by and received and call from Bike Shop , he said the owner won’t take it back and stuck it on the bike shop since they sold it to me !!! 1 day went by and received a call back from bike shop , the owner said he will give me 100 percent refund WOW cool . All said and done he dose not sell any more Aluminum Bike Trailers anymore !!!
So if a guy picks one up used Aluminum Trailer make sure you check for out of round Bolt Holes !
i can't believe how Rude Mr plastic trailer guy is. a good product speaks for itself, and doesn't need a person controlling what is said.
Mr. Plastic Trailer Guy 🤣
Exactly….but typical!!!
Hello Stanley. I love seeing the different innovations that the trailer manufacturers are offering.
Regarding the guys with the negative attitude towards your RUclips activities and free publicity - When I see Floe, I will say “Hell No” to their products.
If the guys didn’t feel comfortable with what you were filming, They could have done so in a civil manner - Not like that.
According to the other comments that I have read, I am not the only person that feels like the people from Floe absolutely does not deserve any further consideration of their products.
Thanks Stanley for your great videos.
Can’t argue with ya there! Respect first & foremost 👊
@@Dirtmonkey I noticed the other evening at our local Taco Bell a sign posted at their drive thru window in which that they absolutely do not allow any videotaping - Period.
With the weird climate this day and time,, The business world is in a CYA mode. We can only hope and pray that things get better for everyone who has been adversely affected through all of the COVID-19 mess.
That was one of the most passive rages I've ever seen lol first time viewer, here. I'll be back 👍
He is in a public space...can't start making demands. Does he not think there are video cameras in that entire place.
It might be open to the public but its not a public place.. The guy just screwed himself on advertising his companies products.. Why?? Who knows, guy acted like a nut case.
@@Killswitch1411 He just meant a public space meaning he can video.
@@coryCuc Ima clarify this before anyone else does, but the owner of the property can restrict what is uploaded. However, I doubt they did and the man in the video has no power to decide what is and isn't uploaded, unless the owner backs him up. Even if the went to the owner now though, it wouldn't change anything but future rules. I know you didn't mention this but I figured I'd say it before someone else remembers this rule and tries to argue that you're wrong or something, because it gets a bit technical
@@Lysergic_ Nope. According to supreme court, Constitution says you can film anything within the public view and do as you please with the video. freedom of speech and the press. If you dont want to be seen, dont go to a trade show.
@@notsofresh8563 The trade show is on private property. The organizers of the event have every right to restrict what is recorded, because it is inside of a building that they own. Therefore, out of the public eye. The public eye is basically defined as any space visible from a publicly owned space, sucha s a road or sidewalk. Also I'm not saying Stan is in the wrong, rather I was providing clarification
that was apparently THE Don VanderMey, President at FLOE International. you should be honored to be graced with his presence! 🙄
seriously, that's the kind of CEO that needs to be less involved in the marketing
Consider how he must treat suppliers or staff if that is how he regards potential customers
Presidents are not CEO.
Or maybe they need to be way more involved to get a better idea on how to share their stuff..¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's a little odd for a marketing guy to act that way when free advertising walks up to him.
hahaha.. I hope someone at that company lets those "salesmen" know what an opportunity they just pissed on.. love your content.. keep it up
As with sharing the knowledge, That guy was FLOE Trailers president Don VanderMey... Great way to promote the brand......
Wonder how long it'll take until someone finds out..lol
@@Dirtmonkey Hopefully not too long, Things like this Really tick me off, Ive never represented products on my own per se, Though since having a both Roofing & Welding business's direct in the family i can say that free estimates and word of mouth/reputation/repeat business is Everything... While i mean no disrespect Guys like this Do Not need to be dealing with the public, And the one's ive known typically dont last.
Floe trailers can kick rocks
*There is NO reasonable expectation of Privacy in Public...FOR ANYONE!!!*