Well, however you want to look at it, although this incident is tragic, it's not F1. F1 cars and F1 itself are completely different. With or without the halo, this would not happen in F1.
Indeed, Human effort and science to try and stop the deaths of these drivers. Just Praying does not work and never will Grosjean is alive because of science and his will to survive.
stuff like this is why the Halo is important in open wheel racing. sadly drivers like him had to pass away before people realised how necessary it actually was.
@Ouskiller again, HOW. HOW is a chance going to increase when we can judge based on footage that the halo would’ve been completely useless in this scenario? The only time chances increase is when the footage shows that the halo would’ve and could’ve played a part in altering the event.
@@dominus6224 Weird that you can say with 100% accuracy that adding a halo wouldn't have done anything, especially when all we get to see is grainy video footage, there are a million scenarios in which his life could've been saved by a halo, the piece of debris was big enough that if it had taken an extra half rotation it would've hitten the halo and stopped saving his life. You are acting like you can calculate the trajectory of a flying piece of debris and know that in every circumstance it would've still killed him, if there was a little bit more turbulence in the air at the time the piece could've hit any part of the halo and saved his life. You clearly don't know how probability works, if any conditions were changed at all the piece could've easily deflected off of a halo, Therefore increasing his chances of living.
I was at this race. I'll never forget the sight of the medical helicopter leaving the track for Allentown after the accident. When it left, there was this terrible, unsettling silence at the track right there and then- when a medical helicopter leaves the track right after an accident, especially when there was no announcement of what Justin's condition was other than that he had crashed- that's when you know it's bad. My stomach tightened, and I don't remember hearing anything when I was watching it leave, although there probably were people in the crowd who were making noise. I guess I was too shocked and unsettled to notice any noise when I saw it leave. RIP Justin- gone way too soon.
It was crazy to be there during that crash. From what it looked like on the Megatron, it seemed that everyone would walk away. It was a shock when we found out that Wilson was gone.
Pocono isn't safe for open wheel cars. The fencing around the outside of the track isn't suited for them at all. I'm glad they don't race there any more. There's been plenty of evidence to show that the track needed updated fencing, but the track owners couldn't or wouldn't make the improvements.
I was there too. The sight of that medical helicopter leaving with Justin was just awful- there was this deafening silence when it left. I haven't been back to Pocono either since then...
@@Ndkksooejn Where did you get that from? Jules died after absolutely walloping a stopped service truck that was helping another crashed driver. The video is quite scary.
I was watching live.. right when I saw him slouched over and his head all loose I knew he was gone.. seen it before.. looked just like senna after his fatal wreck.. rip Justin. Was so nice to me when I met him. I’ll never forget it
Just for facts: senna was still alive but unconscious when Sid Watkins "F1 Doctor" got to him, he died shortly afterwards in the car. The slouching was because he was unconscious not because he died instantly in the crash.
I was there I was 8 my first race and a witness a death anyway i wish he didn't die he had a good carrer he has kids and a wife i hope there ok I pray every time I go to pocono rip Wilson :(
Felipe Massa had almost the same thing happen to him not much later if I can remember. He got hit with a spring. Luckily, he survived, but it also was life theathning. RIP Justin, allways a memorie, never forgotten.
@@travisashimself2356 For what, it's the human nature of competition. Boxer/UFC figher/Skiiers/Deep sea scuba/base jumper/pilots...it's all the same big risks and in our DNA. This was not expected obviously....the other racer slammed into the wall walked away. Justin was fatally injured by a piece of debris that went flying in the air....purely a freak accident.
Grew up a NASCAR fan, but also had a great appreciation of IndyCar and became a Dixon fan. I was born after Earnhardt died, and wasn't watching when Wheldon crashed. I only happened to tune into this race because the NASCAR wasn't racing that day. The image of the nose cone hitting Wilson's car, is seared into my memory. 10 year old me never thought I'd see a fatal crash live, until I saw Justin's final moments of consciousness right before my eyes. Ever since, I can't see a piece of debris fly and tense up. So thankful Indy and F1 implemented the HALO. Hopefully, this remains the final fatal accident in the three major motorsports in America. RIP Justin Wilson 🕊
he was not even signed for this season he was brought on by andrettis team as an experienced helper with setups for an edge in a championship battle. Same for wheldon, he started for a meme of 5m dollar? To race from 38th to 1st in las vegas!
I remember watching this race live, thinking it was one of the most exciting indicar races i'd ever seen. The pack was always so super thick, with a record number of first place changes... and crashes. Out of a starting grid of around 24, like only 12 cars actually finished. I remember telling my friend that this was a wicked race, only to later be proven right at the knowledge that not only did 12 cars dnf, but there was also a fatality to go along with it.
This shows how lucky you must be to have a career in this sport. It can end you even when you are not making a mistake. But still my favorite kind of sport.
there’s always something that can “end you” on a daily basis. in the last 22 years there’s been 4 driver deaths in IndyCar while in the US about 40,000 people die in traffic accidents every year. but no one says “man you have to be lucky to not die in a traffic accident.” Indycar is not some crazy risky endeavor. Yes, there’s risk (and yes, per mile ai’m sure it’s higher than ordinary driving) but it’s not crazy. they should always work to improve safety and eliminate unnecessary danger to drivers but if it was 100% perfectly safe would it be as enjoyable? I think an element of risk is important in racing as in life. the risk plays in to the racing itself and is what makes it exciting in many respects. People debate the Isle of Man often where on average a couple of people die every year. That’s a lot closer to the edge, but at the same time it’s an amazing race, the racers know the risks, and people love it for the skill and risk. 1 in 3 people in the US die of heart disease. I personally would much rather die crashing a motorcycle at 190 mph.
@@smeggysmeg2837 crashing will cost you points and effect your standings. And you compare traffic accidents off all people to a handfull of indiecar racers. Come on.
@@jeroenmeijer1471 we’re talking about danger and risk of death, not points. so your comment makes no sense. and yes, I am comparing it to another form of driving that involves risk.
BNSF1995 The FIA trialed those too. I'm not sure why the didn't go for it, I assume it would have something to do with it getting dirty or wet and obstructing the drivers visibility, or maybe a strength thing. Either way it seems much more dangerous and risky than the, albeit slightly ugly, halo.
enzlof That's surprising considering cars have been using windscreens for years. Is it possible Ferrari told him to say that because it was Red Bull tech and Ferrari developed the Halo?
indy car bodies are more curved to work with a windscreen whereas the F1 body style called for a window that created a window that acted like a fishbowl and curved driver vision.
Henry John Surtees died in a similar way, absolutely horrific and the odds of being hit on the head by car debris will be millions to one. For Surtees it was a wheel, so sad.
In his case, Jack Clarke suffered a huge crash, dislodging a tire, which bounced across and hit Surtees in the head. Surtees was pretty much killed instantly. The only difference here is that you substitute Sage Karam and Justin Wilson for Clarke and Surtees.
I will never, ever stop mentioning Grojean when talking about crashes like this. Not only a superhuman effort, but the single best advert for safety features period. Justin mightve made it were it for a halo type piece of technology.
This crash was involved Sage Karam (crashed into the wall and not dead) and Justin Wilson (Debris of Karam's car hit his head and dead). Because when Karam spun into the wall hardly and the debris of Karam's car hit Wilson's head caused to death and this crash is reference to Henry Surtees crash, 2009. When he was racing in Brand Hatch, a driver spun out into the barrier. Then a tire comes out, bouncing until it hit Surtees's head. After it hit Surtees's head, he started unconscious and his legs pushed into the throttle and hit the wall. The car still running until it off. He was transported to the hospital and dead. R.I.P Justin Wilson and Henry Surtees.
Dale Sr was the straw that broke the NASCAR camels back... I feel that Mr.Wilsons passing might be the straw that did it for ALL of open wheel. It’s tragic as all hell when it takes a drivers freak accident of death that implements new safety mods etc, etc.. I’m all for the halo’s n what not. It just sucks when I learn of a racing driver getting killed on the track... Even if I may or may not follow that in particular Motorsport. I’m ashamed to admit that I infact follow NASCAR. I also follow the the Aussie V8’s.. I lost some interest in F1 when J.Button quietly disappeared , but still love all auto racing. Hopefully we won’t see anything like this or even related for some time to come. Safety should always be priority.
Dale was passing out from the heat. They wanted him out of the car, but he refused to do so. You can see when he tangles with the other cars and saves it. But the adrenaline and blood pressure shot up. Boom, instant unconsciousness .. watch his car, he never corrects, never tries to save it, and the car wobbles straight into the wall. Dale was too good of a driver to have allowed that to happen. Hitting that wall while blacked out, ripped his head off his shoulders. He wasn't braced for impact..
I remember seeing the start of this race and told my friend.. why are they racing open wheel here? I didn't think it was too safe. I literally said someone could get killed. Granted the tragedy had little to do with that but the fact that I had essentially called it was haunting.
its a danger anywhere there is banking. stock cars use gravity and centripetal force to grip the road. f1/indy use aerodynamics. wings + tilt = take-off
Tragic for the driver. Horrible accident. The nose cone was maybe 15 yards in the air, not 100 as the announcer described. That means most of the energy was absorbed by the deceased driver’s head. Awful racing accident - one in a million chances of that happening.
If you look at time stamp 1:15, the nose cone connects and it is launched up and forward into the wind, what looks like in real time that it is going to travel about that far until it looks like the wind catches it a good 50 feet up in the air and blows it back to land not that far at all towards Point Of Impact.
very sad and tragic, but this really puzzles me how a crash that looks moderate at worst, is actually fatal , I'm truly shocked that this ended up a fatal accident....x
Heavy piece of metal hits you in the head as you’re going about 200 is going to be fatal. The announcers likely knew this was the outcome but didn’t want to say anything until it was official. He mentions unconsciousness, but he likely was aware that was unsurvivable
@ItsLiam42_2013 you are like 9, and technically i can report you for being disrespectful to someone who lost there life. But im not going to, becausr everyone deserves a second chance
Wait what? Is Justin Wilson not the guy that smashed into the wall?? So the guy smashed into the wall survived but the driver hit by the piece of debris didn’t?
Pretty sure the halo was brought in because of Jules Bianchi's death at Suzuka 2014. Ironically the conversations started 2 years earlier to that when Romain Grosjean caused the incident in Spa 2012 with his car getting dangerously close to Alonso's head in that incident.
@@recipoldinasty who are you calling a dumb fuck, dumb fuck? My comment is to do with the relevance of the initial comment in regard to F1. Your mention of the barrier split is also non contextual. Anyway, Grosjean is lucky to be alive based on his stupidity and a distinct history of reckless driving. I know this because of my experiences of following F1 for three decades or more. And I remember Justin. I'm guessing you are just another media hopper waiting for your testicles to drop.
It doesn't actually say anything, Ganassi's reaction was to the crash. Wilson didn't die until the next day in the hospital and I doubt they thought he would else they wouldn't have been showing replays and talking about it.
If I remember correctly, Ganassi was Karam’s car owner and his reaction was that of an owner of a car at the front of the field whose driver just made an unforced error and wrecked his car, throwing away a chance at a win.
I thought it was the car going into the wall until i saw that piece of bodywork hit Justin. Thankfully, safety has improved so things like this will not happen again.
I remember too many...Neil Bonnett, Dale Earnhardt, JD McDuffie, Ayrton Senna, Roland Ratzenberger, Paul Dana, Dan Wheldon, Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Tony Roper, John Nemechek, Jules Bianchi off the top of my head. Racing is a dangerous sport and the drivers know that but man...way too many in my lifetime and I'm only 35.
@@aaronglanville667 Anthoine Hubert. Then you have all the ones like Romain Grosjean, Geoffrey Bodine, Ryan Newman, and Sophia Floersch where the only thing that saved them was purely divine intervention.
@@aaronglanville667 greg moore and jeff krosnoff in cart... its ridiculous what course of bad luck streak penske had in the 90s, signed gonzalo rodriguez, got him in the car for the final couple races of the cart season, he did not make it to his first start... couple weeks later, moore is signed... we know what happened, this year was bad for future penske drivers!
How did he die or what did he hit? Im not in to this stuff. He hit his head to hard and what was in the middle of the street? A spring did all that? Im confused.
@@tangiblemammal5273 you have to remember the brain is just floating in our skulls. If we come to immediate stops our brains keep moving at that speed. Just pray it was quickly. This is all terrible
Always sad when a driver loses their life but...I think the saddest by far has to be the 1955 LeMans disaster...driver Pierre Levegh and 83 spectators died after pieces of Levegh's car flew into the grandstands. My mom remembers the news of that and she was only 7 years old at the time.
I don't watch racing for the wreck's and I hate to see replays when someone loses their life and I KNOW THE FAMILIES DON'T WANT TO SEE IT EITHER 🙏 GOD BLESS HIM
@@dubb9020 they do. but at that speed. nothing can protect you. a helmet at those speeds is like putting on a simple t-shirt as protection for getting stabbed.
Jesus. That’s nothing short of disastrously unlucky. Wilson had absolutely no chance. It’s not the very worst incident I’ve seen, but in this case it was pretty unlikely that a centimetre either way would’ve made any difference. Unlike Massa, who dodged death by a fraction, or Senna who could’ve survived if he’d hit the wall at the Tamburello Curve at a slightly different angle. This one is more like Jules Bianchi slewing off a wet track and hammering into a crane which had been sent out to recover Adrian Sutil’s car (who had gone off at the same corner in a similar fashion a lap earlier). I could tell it was really bad when I saw Sutil’s face; he was trackside just a few yards away and you could see the colour drain from his face.
@@oximofo9 Halo would never have saved Jules Bianchi...going under that recovery vehicle destroyed the roll bar and airbox, right down to his headrest and the rapid deceleration was a huge factor in the resulting brain injury as well as injury from the glancing blow to his helmet. The halo would have been destroyed the same way in such a collision and Jules still would have suffered the same fate
You had the right idea. Even if he did somehow survive the impact the brain swelling from the concussion probably would have done it just the same. I'm sure the first responders had some heartbreaking work that day, rest in peace that was really sad.
When you get hit in the head by something at those speeds it's almost certainly fatal...same way the legend Ayrton Senna died, got hit by his own tire after crashing.
Solution: the racing body that sanctions these races needs to mandate a cockpit enclosure, taking into account other requirements. Not the first driver to be killed by debris.
Technically they could drive the cars remotely from the pits then no one would ever die, and definitely not the spectators because there wouldn’t be any.
No the halo first came after Jules Bianchi's fatal wreck at the Japanese GP in 2014 when he lost control and hit a crane that was removing a car that had spun off the previous lap.
Debris struck Hamilton's wing mirror and sent that flying, Lewis was lucky. I don't understand why Leclerc wasn't punished for staying out so that damaged front wing could spray bits of carbon all over the track
@@dr.elliesattler810 I hope they will look at something Indy did this year. The Aeroscreen, though in Indy the average speeds are much higher than in F1.
nope halo definitely would have saved him. The car was traveling 150mph at least. If that thing is supposed to enter straight from above it would have to clear that opening at an incredible speed. Let's assume the car is traveling 150mph (67meters per second) and the diameter of the opening on the top of the halo is 1m. That means that this thing has exactly 1/67seconds to clear that opening completely (if it was to fit perfectly, let's assume it's the worst case scenario and it fits perfectly and lets also assume it's 10cm high although it's probably more) Then this thing has to travel downwards by 10cm per 0.015sec. That is about 66m/s of downward speed that the debris has to have in order to hit the driver without hitting the halo and only if it has the perfect (or rather most unfortunate) trajectory. That means that the piece of debris has to travel the same speed downwards as the car travels forwards and in this clip you can clearly see that it doesn't. So we already realized that this thing cannot possibly clear the top opening of the halo without touching the halo. But also logically it can't hit him from above because that would not be deadly. I can take heavy object, strap you in a car and drop it onto your head while you wear a helmet and it won't be deadly because the object is relatively slow. It's only when the object comes from the front and the person is traveling at 150mph when it gets fatal to hit objects on the helmet. So both, halo and the indycar windshield that is being tested right now would have saved him.
The thing to grasp here is that no one, especially the drivers, wanted the halo. It took a couple of them getting killed (this one, and the one with the flying tire) before they said “ok, we’ll live with the pillar right in the middle of our view”.
And, once it was made, the middle upright really doesn't affect their vision. The glass is the hardest thing to address. The curvature can distort the image. Still, they no say this is really what is needed to prevent objects from striking drivers.
I was there and I was one of the last fans to meet him before he got in the car. Such a nice guy always had time for fans. Rest in peace Justin.
Rightttttttttttttt
He was my grandads nephew 💙
@@clod148 righttttttttt
@@TG-cw8gj wtf
@@rickhammond2473 well you’ll never get one disrespectful idiot
I have new appreciation for F1's halo after seeing this. Tragic.
Agree
Indeed.
Well, however you want to look at it, although this incident is tragic, it's not F1. F1 cars and F1 itself are completely different. With or without the halo, this would not happen in F1.
@@NomadUniverse Nearly did happen to Massa
@@SNIFFMYBADGER Other than being struck on the head, completely different incident.
Wilson Wheldon Villota Bianchi Hubert Surtees...
Their legacy saved Grosjean today
That was my first thought when i seen him go through the guard rail
Yeah...this crash proved that finally safety is here
Yes
Indeed, Human effort and science to try and stop the deaths of these drivers. Just Praying does not work and never will Grosjean is alive because of science and his will to survive.
Cant forget about Felipe Massas incident. I think that was the final reason for the halo
stuff like this is why the Halo is important in open wheel racing. sadly drivers like him had to pass away before people realised how necessary it actually was.
I don’t think a halo would’ve saved him here. A halo still has open part above. This piece wasn’t big enough to be blocked by a halo
@@dominus6224 Maybe not but the Halo still would have increased his chances of survival
@@LordGoose-zr6jj how so? The object came right down on his skull. The halo would’ve protected 0.0
@Ouskiller again, HOW. HOW is a chance going to increase when we can judge based on footage that the halo would’ve been completely useless in this scenario? The only time chances increase is when the footage shows that the halo would’ve and could’ve played a part in altering the event.
@@dominus6224 Weird that you can say with 100% accuracy that adding a halo wouldn't have done anything, especially when all we get to see is grainy video footage, there are a million scenarios in which his life could've been saved by a halo, the piece of debris was big enough that if it had taken an extra half rotation it would've hitten the halo and stopped saving his life.
You are acting like you can calculate the trajectory of a flying piece of debris and know that in every circumstance it would've still killed him, if there was a little bit more turbulence in the air at the time the piece could've hit any part of the halo and saved his life.
You clearly don't know how probability works, if any conditions were changed at all the piece could've easily deflected off of a halo, Therefore increasing his chances of living.
I was at this race. I'll never forget the sight of the medical helicopter leaving the track for Allentown after the accident. When it left, there was this terrible, unsettling silence at the track right there and then- when a medical helicopter leaves the track right after an accident, especially when there was no announcement of what Justin's condition was other than that he had crashed- that's when you know it's bad. My stomach tightened, and I don't remember hearing anything when I was watching it leave, although there probably were people in the crowd who were making noise. I guess I was too shocked and unsettled to notice any noise when I saw it leave. RIP Justin- gone way too soon.
so was i
How old were you?
@@Rangelong 7 OR 8
@@Rangelong 26. 3 days after by birthday
Maybe it s. Your breath
I met him with some boy scouts at the Baltimore Grand Prix when he used to drive the BSA car. Such a nice guy. Rest in peace.
The driver Justin Wilson as if 9pm 8/24/15 has died from his injuries. Sad day for Indy Car and Julia and his children. RIP Justin Wilson
are you some kind of disabled?
Wesley Johnson no wonder why your mom abandoned u
@@RowdyRide Said from the guy who never hit a barrier at 200 MPH. Pathetic.
@@RowdyRide he was way better than you dickhead
@@RowdyRide
Wtf is wrong with you!?
I was there that day. It was a very strange feeling. The process of getting him out and to the hospital was excruciating. Haven't been back.
It was crazy to be there during that crash. From what it looked like on the Megatron, it seemed that everyone would walk away. It was a shock when we found out that Wilson was gone.
Pocono isn't safe for open wheel cars. The fencing around the outside of the track isn't suited for them at all. I'm glad they don't race there any more. There's been plenty of evidence to show that the track needed updated fencing, but the track owners couldn't or wouldn't make the improvements.
@@hookedonthedew7846 Literally how Senna died. He smacked his head into a similar wall without a halo which gave him a terrible head injury.
@@HowTo374 its called details of a story you soft Marshemellow
I was there too. The sight of that medical helicopter leaving with Justin was just awful- there was this deafening silence when it left. I haven't been back to Pocono either since then...
RIP and long live Justin Wilson (July 31, 1978 - August 24, 2015), aged 37
You will always be remembered as a legend.
It's so sad that he has nearly been forgotten and buried in all of these big wrecks, this is the only one I ever think of, rest in peace
A few months apart, Jules Bianchi was struck in the head by a loose tyre and also passed away.
@@Ndkksooejn Where did you get that from? Jules died after absolutely walloping a stopped service truck that was helping another crashed driver. The video is quite scary.
@@Ndkksooejn Sorry, sweetie, you fumbled that one badly.
Never forget dan wheldon. I eat at a taco place in sarasota now with his pic. Get sad each time I see the pic but remember all the good times too.
@@Ndkksooejn Jules never got hit by a tire, he hit a seevice truck. And he actually died in 2015 while the accident was in 2014. He was in a coma
I was watching live.. right when I saw him slouched over and his head all loose I knew he was gone.. seen it before.. looked just like senna after his fatal wreck.. rip Justin. Was so nice to me when I met him. I’ll never forget it
Yeap so true unfortunately
Just for facts: senna was still alive but unconscious when Sid Watkins "F1 Doctor" got to him, he died shortly afterwards in the car.
The slouching was because he was unconscious not because he died instantly in the crash.
worst of bad luck this...unbelievable
I was there I was 8 my first race and a witness a death anyway i wish he didn't die he had a good carrer he has kids and a wife i hope there ok I pray every time I go to pocono rip Wilson :(
Its unreal that Karam was ok after a hit that hard. That sound of him hitting is horrifyingly loud
This reminds me of Dale Earnhardt's crash at Daytona. Doesn't look too bad, but still leads to tragedy. Rest in peace big man.
Wasn’t even the car that crashed. Car behind, Justin, hit in the head by crash debris.
@@strangejerry yup he crashed but after he was struck in the...just not the larger crash his crash was 1:31
Sage Karam was in the car that actually crashed. jakes is the car that goes left and Wilson goes right and is hit by Karam’s nose cone.
@@119Agent Karems crash was certainly hard, it reminds me of Scott Brayton's fatal crash, actually.
The odds of this accident were just absolutely incredible.....such a shame....god bless 🙏
Felipe Massa had almost the same thing happen to him not much later if I can remember. He got hit with a spring. Luckily, he survived, but it also was life theathning.
RIP Justin, allways a memorie, never forgotten.
Odds... I mean what do these people expect? Where are we in humanity that we need to rail it around a track at breakneck speeds? For what?
surtee had a tire hit him
@@travisashimself2356 For what, it's the human nature of competition. Boxer/UFC figher/Skiiers/Deep sea scuba/base jumper/pilots...it's all the same big risks and in our DNA. This was not expected obviously....the other racer slammed into the wall walked away. Justin was fatally injured by a piece of debris that went flying in the air....purely a freak accident.
@@travisashimself2356 yeah let’s all seal ourselves in a bubble and sit inside all day so no one ever gets hurt or dies. Lmao
It's the unsuspecting hits that are sometimes the worst.... dale Sr.
Respect to all racers.
Grew up a NASCAR fan, but also had a great appreciation of IndyCar and became a Dixon fan. I was born after Earnhardt died, and wasn't watching when Wheldon crashed. I only happened to tune into this race because the NASCAR wasn't racing that day. The image of the nose cone hitting Wilson's car, is seared into my memory. 10 year old me never thought I'd see a fatal crash live, until I saw Justin's final moments of consciousness right before my eyes. Ever since, I can't see a piece of debris fly and tense up. So thankful Indy and F1 implemented the HALO. Hopefully, this remains the final fatal accident in the three major motorsports in America. RIP Justin Wilson 🕊
Man, this is some Final Destination type stuff. RIP Justin.
he was not even signed for this season he was brought on by andrettis team as an experienced helper with setups for an edge in a championship battle. Same for wheldon, he started for a meme of 5m dollar? To race from 38th to 1st in las vegas!
I remember watching this race live, thinking it was one of the most exciting indicar races i'd ever seen. The pack was always so super thick, with a record number of first place changes... and crashes. Out of a starting grid of around 24, like only 12 cars actually finished. I remember telling my friend that this was a wicked race, only to later be proven right at the knowledge that not only did 12 cars dnf, but there was also a fatality to go along with it.
This shows how lucky you must be to have a career in this sport. It can end you even when you are not making a mistake. But still my favorite kind of sport.
It’s ridiculous how safe they can make cars now, but even though I personally love indy cars and live in Indiana I just wish they were as safe as f1s.
there’s always something that can “end you” on a daily basis. in the last 22 years there’s been 4 driver deaths in IndyCar while in the US about 40,000 people die in traffic accidents every year. but no one says “man you have to be lucky to not die in a traffic accident.” Indycar is not some crazy risky endeavor. Yes, there’s risk (and yes, per mile ai’m sure it’s higher than ordinary driving) but it’s not crazy. they should always work to improve safety and eliminate unnecessary danger to drivers but if it was 100% perfectly safe would it be as enjoyable? I think an element of risk is important in racing as in life. the risk plays in to the racing itself and is what makes it exciting in many respects. People debate the Isle of Man often where on average a couple of people die every year. That’s a lot closer to the edge, but at the same time it’s an amazing race, the racers know the risks, and people love it for the skill and risk. 1 in 3 people in the US die of heart disease. I personally would much rather die crashing a motorcycle at 190 mph.
@@smeggysmeg2837 crashing will cost you points and effect your standings. And you compare traffic accidents off all people to a handfull of indiecar racers. Come on.
@@jeroenmeijer1471 we’re talking about danger and risk of death, not points. so your comment makes no sense. and yes, I am comparing it to another form of driving that involves risk.
RIP Justin. Such a nice guy.
okay maybe the Halo isn't so bad
Forget the Halo. Just put jet fighter-style canopies over the cockpits.
BNSF1995 The FIA trialed those too.
I'm not sure why the didn't go for it, I assume it would have something to do with it getting dirty or wet and obstructing the drivers visibility, or maybe a strength thing.
Either way it seems much more dangerous and risky than the, albeit slightly ugly, halo.
AdzSONLINE when vettel tested it at Silverstone he had blurred vision
enzlof That's surprising considering cars have been using windscreens for years. Is it possible Ferrari told him to say that because it was Red Bull tech and Ferrari developed the Halo?
indy car bodies are more curved to work with a windscreen whereas the F1 body style called for a window that created a window that acted like a fishbowl and curved driver vision.
I was at this race in Pocono,Pa . / I can still remember the Medivac chopper coming out of the infield like a rocket, Rest in piece Justin.
Henry John Surtees died in a similar way, absolutely horrific and the odds of being hit on the head by car debris will be millions to one. For Surtees it was a wheel, so sad.
In his case, Jack Clarke suffered a huge crash, dislodging a tire, which bounced across and hit Surtees in the head. Surtees was pretty much killed instantly. The only difference here is that you substitute Sage Karam and Justin Wilson for Clarke and Surtees.
rest in peace the tallest driver in the history of formula 1
Not to be that guy but the tallest driver in F1 history was Hans Stuck who was 195cm tall.
Pocono raceway. Wrong place, wrong time. RIP
I will never, ever stop mentioning Grojean when talking about crashes like this. Not only a superhuman effort, but the single best advert for safety features period. Justin mightve made it were it for a halo type piece of technology.
With heavy hearts, we remember 🥺.
This onboard at 1:40 shows how Justin Wilson got a fatal injury.
0:38 is the moment of the hit. Prayers for Justin!
should be praying before ~
He dead
Prayer is for the dead or dying. Just saying
@@rickstacey6738 prayers are useless anyways
@@recipoldinasty you are useless
This crash was involved Sage Karam (crashed into the wall and not dead) and Justin Wilson (Debris of Karam's car hit his head and dead). Because when Karam spun into the wall hardly and the debris of Karam's car hit Wilson's head caused to death and this crash is reference to Henry Surtees crash, 2009. When he was racing in Brand Hatch, a driver spun out into the barrier. Then a tire comes out, bouncing until it hit Surtees's head. After it hit Surtees's head, he started unconscious and his legs pushed into the throttle and hit the wall. The car still running until it off. He was transported to the hospital and dead. R.I.P Justin Wilson and Henry Surtees.
I remember this watching it on ABC Wilson got it on the head by flying from car nose sadd
Just rewatched the 2003 Brazilian GP for the millionth time, made me remember this.
Dale Sr was the straw that broke the NASCAR camels back... I feel that Mr.Wilsons passing might be the straw that did it for ALL of open wheel. It’s tragic as all hell when it takes a drivers freak accident of death that implements new safety mods etc, etc..
I’m all for the halo’s n what not. It just sucks when I learn of a racing driver getting killed on the track... Even if I may or may not follow that in particular Motorsport. I’m ashamed to admit that I infact follow NASCAR. I also follow the the Aussie V8’s.. I lost some interest in F1 when J.Button quietly disappeared , but still love all auto racing.
Hopefully we won’t see anything like this or even related for some time to come. Safety should always be priority.
Jules Bianchi certainly spurred F1 to change design
Yep. Aeroshield is now on all indycars.
NASCAR was at the height of its popularity several years after Dale Sr died
@@historybuff1017 he’s talking safety wise
Dale was passing out from the heat. They wanted him out of the car, but he refused to do so. You can see when he tangles with the other cars and saves it. But the adrenaline and blood pressure shot up. Boom, instant unconsciousness .. watch his car, he never corrects, never tries to save it, and the car wobbles straight into the wall. Dale was too good of a driver to have allowed that to happen. Hitting that wall while blacked out, ripped his head off his shoulders. He wasn't braced for impact..
Damn if that don't suck!!
Gone to soon.
RIP Driver. 🏁🏁🏁
too
@@emanuelmota7217
WTF ever💀
@@ManiacRider3113 Evidently.
Thanks guys he was my uncle
R.I.P my uncle justin
@@morganmills21 so sorry for your loss x
@@sharoncarroll7998 thankyou
Died doing what he loved, the best way to go out
@@morganmills21 No he wasnt lol
Mind-boggling that there were still complaints about the halo.
That is a really messed up way to go...of all the ways to leave this reality...RIP 🙏
Imagine how unlucky you must be
Definition of a freak accident
wtf is up with the description? take a debris in your head?
Uploader probably doesn't speak English fluently
Allan Lemos lol
Take a Debra, to Bed, maybe. Makes as much sense, almost.
Right! And the crash was with the wall...
Take this debris to your head and shut the fuck up!
I remember seeing the start of this race and told my friend.. why are they racing open wheel here? I didn't think it was too safe. I literally said someone could get killed. Granted the tragedy had little to do with that but the fact that I had essentially called it was haunting.
I mean this incident could happen anywhere, but I agree with you that Indy Car at Pocono is very dangerous
its a danger anywhere there is banking. stock cars use gravity and centripetal force to grip the road. f1/indy use aerodynamics. wings + tilt = take-off
Tragic for the driver. Horrible accident. The nose cone was maybe 15 yards in the air, not 100 as the announcer described. That means most of the energy was absorbed by the deceased driver’s head. Awful racing accident - one in a million chances of that happening.
If you look at time stamp 1:15, the nose cone connects and it is launched up and forward into the wind, what looks like in real time that it is going to travel about that far until it looks like the wind catches it a good 50 feet up in the air and blows it back to land not that far at all towards Point Of Impact.
very sad and tragic, but this really puzzles me how a crash that looks moderate at worst, is actually fatal , I'm truly shocked that this ended up a fatal accident....x
Nothing at 200 mph is a soft crash 💯
What? Something hitting you in the head when you're traveling at 200 mph?
Heavy piece of metal hits you in the head as you’re going about 200 is going to be fatal. The announcers likely knew this was the outcome but didn’t want to say anything until it was official. He mentions unconsciousness, but he likely was aware that was unsurvivable
@@ryand141 these people don't have the attention span to understand that the large crash in this video isn't the main incident here.
I come from the future.
I travelled back to tell you that in 2021 the halo will have saved a bunch of drivers already.
May he rest in peace.
It’s been 8 years since Justin Wilson was killed when the debris from the car that went off ahead of him struck his head and that killed him
I remember watching this live. Sad!
@ItsLiam42_2013 bro literally shut up
@ItsLiam42_2013 for..... what?
@ItsLiam42_2013 you are like 9, and technically i can report you for being disrespectful to someone who lost there life. But im not going to, becausr everyone deserves a second chance
@@lonelybananana6356 what did he say?
@@seb99342 idk the original message but he was gonna 'report me for abuse'
Wait what? Is Justin Wilson not the guy that smashed into the wall?? So the guy smashed into the wall survived but the driver hit by the piece of debris didn’t?
This crash saved Romain Grosjean´s life!
Pretty sure the halo was brought in because of Jules Bianchi's death at Suzuka 2014. Ironically the conversations started 2 years earlier to that when Romain Grosjean caused the incident in Spa 2012 with his car getting dangerously close to Alonso's head in that incident.
Nothing to do with it. Ignoramus.
@@arconeagain it has been relevealed that it did help ALOT WHEN THE BARRIER SPLIT dumb fk
@@recipoldinasty who are you calling a dumb fuck, dumb fuck? My comment is to do with the relevance of the initial comment in regard to F1. Your mention of the barrier split is also non contextual. Anyway, Grosjean is lucky to be alive based on his stupidity and a distinct history of reckless driving. I know this because of my experiences of following F1 for three decades or more. And I remember Justin. I'm guessing you are just another media hopper waiting for your testicles to drop.
@@arconeagain Why can’t you simply disagree without calling names?
For anyone struggling to see the hit...0:38 is when it happens. You see his car immediately go to the left.
If a picture could say a thousand words, the reaction on Chip Ganassi's face says it all
It really doesn't. Looks like he's shocked and mildly amused if we're being honest.
He is looking at the first crash, if the video didn't point it out I wouldn't know which was Wilson and you can just see it hit him
It doesn't actually say anything, Ganassi's reaction was to the crash. Wilson didn't die until the next day in the hospital and I doubt they thought he would else they wouldn't have been showing replays and talking about it.
If I remember correctly, Ganassi was Karam’s car owner and his reaction was that of an owner of a car at the front of the field whose driver just made an unforced error and wrecked his car, throwing away a chance at a win.
So very tragic indeed. What utter bad luck. RIP
The sad part is i remember watching this live knowing baerly anything about indycar. That looked so innocent..
I thought it was the car going into the wall until i saw that piece of bodywork hit Justin. Thankfully, safety has improved so things like this will not happen again.
0:40 His pit boss laughs it off not knowing the severity of the crash.
he was not driving for chip, that was karams team boss!
Pit boss? This isn’t a casino.
And people wonder why the drivers fought to keep off the oval tracks. These cars were not meant to go around in circles.
INDY cars, that race at Indianapolis Motor speedway, the most famous oval track on the planet....aren't supposed to race on oval tracks???
"It's nearly a hundred yards in the air". That is total nonsense. More like 60 FEET in the air.
Howabouthetruth on camera it probably doesn’t look that high, but irl that shit is UP there
@@The_Max1m 100 yards is the length of an American football field. It definitely was nowhere near that high up.
Thats crazy. It looked like such a minor accident compared to others...
He got a nose cone to the head at warp speed....how is that minor?
I didn’t even know this happened. Good god I remember Wheldons crash
I remember too many...Neil Bonnett, Dale Earnhardt, JD McDuffie, Ayrton Senna, Roland Ratzenberger, Paul Dana, Dan Wheldon, Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Tony Roper, John Nemechek, Jules Bianchi off the top of my head. Racing is a dangerous sport and the drivers know that but man...way too many in my lifetime and I'm only 35.
@@aaronglanville667 1996, Scott Brayton. That was my first time at Indy.
(Greg Moore as well.) ....it is too many to recall.
@@aaronglanville667 Anthoine Hubert.
Then you have all the ones like Romain Grosjean, Geoffrey Bodine, Ryan Newman, and Sophia Floersch where the only thing that saved them was purely divine intervention.
@@aaronglanville667 greg moore and jeff krosnoff in cart... its ridiculous what course of bad luck streak penske had in the 90s, signed gonzalo rodriguez, got him in the car for the final couple races of the cart season, he did not make it to his first start... couple weeks later, moore is signed... we know what happened, this year was bad for future penske drivers!
Still can’t believe my hero is gone
How did he die or what did he hit? Im not in to this stuff. He hit his head to hard and what was in the middle of the street? A spring did all that? Im confused.
@@tangiblemammal5273 the nose of the car
@@tangiblemammal5273 you have to remember the brain is just floating in our skulls. If we come to immediate stops our brains keep moving at that speed. Just pray it was quickly. This is all terrible
Saddest thing I’ve ever seen god bless
Always sad when a driver loses their life but...I think the saddest by far has to be the 1955 LeMans disaster...driver Pierre Levegh and 83 spectators died after pieces of Levegh's car flew into the grandstands. My mom remembers the news of that and she was only 7 years old at the time.
Saddest thing? Better look up 1994 Imola Grand Prix, 2001 Daytona 500, 2011 Malaysian Grand Prix (MotoGP) and 2014 Japanese Grand Prix.
@@aaronglanville667 they should had barriers for the spectators that year.
This is why Indycar now has the aero screen
amazing racer. a real loss gor sure.
No matter how many times you see this 🥺.
What ... are... the... odds..... ???
That's Final Destination stuff...the odds are unreal. RIP Justin Wilson
I don't watch racing for the wreck's and I hate to see replays when someone loses their life and I KNOW THE FAMILIES DON'T WANT TO SEE IT EITHER 🙏 GOD BLESS HIM
A true example of the coined term “freak accident”!! Wow my condolences
Do they know if he died from the object or the impact with the wall?
D S object, basically caused blunt force trauma and I think it caused a brain bleed
im suprised the helmets dont help
At those speeds.. the helmets are basically useless
@@dubb9020 they do. but at that speed. nothing can protect you. a helmet at those speeds is like putting on a simple t-shirt as protection for getting stabbed.
A piece hitting you at that speed might cause fracture at least, hitting the wall just finishes you if you somehow aren't dead already.
I miss Pocono, this was a bad accident,but it wasn't the track design at fault
In my opinion I don’t think the halo would’ve made a difference because it hit the top of his head and the halo doesn’t cover the top of the head
If it's not vertical, then the halo is in the way.
Felipe Massa was knocked unconscious by a spring that weighed a fraction of the object that hit Wilson..thank goodness for the Halo.
It's time to make the walls out of something soft like rubber.
How would rubber work? Cars would just go through it into the crowd/trees.
The guy that hit the wall didn’t die
And the walls are soft anyway, SAFER barriers.
The second guy died after a piece of the nosecone hit him on the head at 200 odd mph. Nothing to do with the rubber walls.
Yeah right, LMAO, then they would go bouncing around at 200 MPH
Im forever grateful that they removed Pocono and added the aeroscreen
RIP my dude, turning laps in heaven waiting to school all of us plebs
Jesus. That’s nothing short of disastrously unlucky. Wilson had absolutely no chance. It’s not the very worst incident I’ve seen, but in this case it was pretty unlikely that a centimetre either way would’ve made any difference. Unlike Massa, who dodged death by a fraction, or Senna who could’ve survived if he’d hit the wall at the Tamburello Curve at a slightly different angle. This one is more like Jules Bianchi slewing off a wet track and hammering into a crane which had been sent out to recover Adrian Sutil’s car (who had gone off at the same corner in a similar fashion a lap earlier). I could tell it was really bad when I saw Sutil’s face; he was trackside just a few yards away and you could see the colour drain from his face.
This is why rookies shouldn't lead at the start 💔
dang man i didn't know that was fatal!
still rest in piece my brotha
Sad.. a halo device like F1 uses would have saved him. Surprising IndyCar still doesn't use them.
Yeah the halo F1 was using in 2015? Moron
Susan Loughlin no Wilson and Bianchi deaths prompted the immediate research into a window/halo systems.
@@oximofo9
Halo would never have saved Jules Bianchi...going under that recovery vehicle destroyed the roll bar and airbox, right down to his headrest and the rapid deceleration was a huge factor in the resulting brain injury as well as injury from the glancing blow to his helmet.
The halo would have been destroyed the same way in such a collision and Jules still would have suffered the same fate
@@dr.elliesattler810 -- However, it would likely have saved Henry Surtees. Bianchi basically launched head-on into the recovery vehicle.
hugs to HEAVEN so sad
How what happened he was driving after he got hit my cousin thought he was alive he said no he didn’t die and I said he did die says RIP rip
You had the right idea. Even if he did somehow survive the impact the brain swelling from the concussion probably would have done it just the same. I'm sure the first responders had some heartbreaking work that day, rest in peace that was really sad.
When you get hit in the head by something at those speeds it's almost certainly fatal...same way the legend Ayrton Senna died, got hit by his own tire after crashing.
@@aaronglanville667 I thought it hit his car or something and he somehow diedd
Solution: the racing body that sanctions these races needs to mandate a cockpit enclosure, taking into account other requirements. Not the first driver to be killed by debris.
They have. Indycar now utilizes an aeroscreen.
Technically they could drive the cars remotely from the pits then no one would ever die, and definitely not the spectators because there wouldn’t be any.
This is why the halo exists
I don't think that the Halo came after Justin Wilson
No the halo first came after Jules Bianchi's fatal wreck at the Japanese GP in 2014 when he lost control and hit a crane that was removing a car that had spun off the previous lap.
I raced with JW at PIR once. Kind soul. Hope he finds peace
I hope Charles Leclerc watches this and realizes he could've killed Lewis Hamilton at Suzuka 2019.
Furthermore I wish the family Wilson all the best.
Debris struck Hamilton's wing mirror and sent that flying, Lewis was lucky.
I don't understand why Leclerc wasn't punished for staying out so that damaged front wing could spray bits of carbon all over the track
@@dr.elliesattler810 I hope they will look at something Indy did this year. The Aeroscreen, though in Indy the average speeds are much higher than in F1.
I believe he was only a rookie, too. RIP
He's been in Indycar since 2008 I believe, hell he's even won 2 races. Unless you're talking about Karam
@@razburry8001 No I was talking about Wilson. I saw that I got that wrong, though. Thanks for correcting me.
HALO would have saved him.
Doubt it. That nose cone hit him from above. 1:15.
Menno Wielenga the HALO would cover that part
Doubt it. Not in this case.
nope halo definitely would have saved him. The car was traveling 150mph at least. If that thing is supposed to enter straight from above it would have to clear that opening at an incredible speed.
Let's assume the car is traveling 150mph (67meters per second) and the diameter of the opening on the top of the halo is 1m. That means that this thing has exactly 1/67seconds to clear that opening completely (if it was to fit perfectly, let's assume it's the worst case scenario and it fits perfectly and lets also assume it's 10cm high although it's probably more)
Then this thing has to travel downwards by 10cm per 0.015sec. That is about 66m/s of downward speed that the debris has to have in order to hit the driver without hitting the halo and only if it has the perfect (or rather most unfortunate) trajectory.
That means that the piece of debris has to travel the same speed downwards as the car travels forwards and in this clip you can clearly see that it doesn't.
So we already realized that this thing cannot possibly clear the top opening of the halo without touching the halo.
But also logically it can't hit him from above because that would not be deadly. I can take heavy object, strap you in a car and drop it onto your head while you wear a helmet and it won't be deadly because the object is relatively slow. It's only when the object comes from the front and the person is traveling at 150mph when it gets fatal to hit objects on the helmet.
So both, halo and the indycar windshield that is being tested right now would have saved him.
You fail at basic physics.
I wasn't aware that 360p was HD.
I hope the drivers is OK ....
he has now passed. rip
Yes, that's what that stands for in this case
Hes dead jim
LOL
WHat was funny there??? How can you be so inhuman? Have some bit of shame!
Misnamed title. Wilson is not the one that had the crash. But he died from crash debris that flew into his head.
stop racing in oval track,its not the place for racing.i have seen many drivers dead in oval track.its horrible track
The thing to grasp here is that no one, especially the drivers, wanted the halo. It took a couple of them getting killed (this one, and the one with the flying tire) before they said “ok, we’ll live with the pillar right in the middle of our view”.
And, once it was made, the middle upright really doesn't affect their vision. The glass is the hardest thing to address. The curvature can distort the image. Still, they no say this is really what is needed to prevent objects from striking drivers.
#KeepFightingJustin
PikachuSauvage I have some news for you
@@TONYROCKZ818 No.. what could it be?
Now I'm realising that I watched someone die on live. That's crazy, RIP Justin
This still sucks to watch. Wrong place at the wrong time
If I'm seeing what I'm seeing, talk about a one in a billion shot.
How bad of luck can you have? Unbelievable.
He backed Wilson for 2 weeks before this. What a loss for racing