FF14 Youtuber Under Fire - Reacting to Kougaon
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
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Disclaimer: I have no hate for Sufferhymn and he is indeed amazing at creating great RUclips content! I just think if the FF14 VAs already said that they don’t want anyone using AI versions of their voices then just respect their wishes and not do that. ❤
Also fyi I asked Kougaon if I could react to his vid and he said I can react to any of his vids incase anyone is going to throw that kind of shade at me. 😂
they'll accuse people of overreacting and then see anyone simply addressing the problem as an attack
there's also the issue that Sufferhymn did a literal death "joke" in one of his most popular vids about one of the creators who had confronted him for using the AI voices without permission...which in itself is an INCREDIBLY scummy thing to do
I really miss her drama reading videos 😭
Aww thank you! I just needed a break from them but one day I can they’ll trickle in again! ❤
I think the key part of this is consent. If the actor doesn’t consent don’t do it, but if you can obtain consent then it’s okay, within reason of course.
She got the popcorn out.. sheeeesh
I came prepared for the drama haha
Much as I love Suffer's videos, its plain how much work and love he puts into them, its his passion, its his joy, this discussion cant leave any of us cold. We had the same discussion with former Bayonetta VA, even if her story later turned out to be not quite as accurate as she wanted us to think, still: VAs already have it hard, lets not make it worse. I understand that making fun videos about your favorite game is one thing, but its a short step to giving game companies and movie makers all the wrong ideas.
There never is a situation where AI is ethical when the people whose voices are being AI’d actively speak out about against it. Either get the real VAs if possible, OR maybe hire a voice impersonator.
Why is hiring an impersonator different than using AI? Wouldn't someone doing an impersonation watch a VA's material and learn to mimic their voice based on that, just like an AI would? I agree this is sketchy, especially because the VA's are against it, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as people make it.
@@joshnoe8673 Because they want something to be mad about. In reality, it doesnt actually matter. The dude is a small youtuber who is making videos out of passion, not big budget movies that will make hundreds of millions. Using AI to impersonate a VA for a youtube skit isnt going to cause them to lose ANY work, as the youtuber in question likely didnt have the money to hire them anyway. Its such a non issue in this situation. Plus theres an argument to be made that the VA doesnt own the character, SE does so its not up to them whether someone uses the CHARACTERS likeness to create something, not the VA's likeness.
...also about his name. That surprised me.
Because I have a tendency to pronounce a name that looks like that in Japanese lol
The biggest problem I have against AI is that people use it to cut corners and think its not harmful for others. One of the arguments for the Actor's strike is using A.I. to scan live actors' face and voice for a session, and then use A.I. for future use as if these companies own their likeness and sound for their own use.
Also can ya’ll not shit on Pathra for doing what literally everyone is doing? React Content is hugely popular right now, especially among the tight-knit FFXIV community. We all push each other to be our best selves and hold each other accountable for bad behavior. Pathra is an exceptional third party who does not pass unjust opinions! ❤
idk why its so hard for ppl to respect a simple 'pls dont do this.' like if you love the voice work that actor does, then why wouldnt you keep supporting them? why would you willingly ignore their pleas to not support the AI stuff? this whole thing makes me so sad, its a craft they work so hard on to bring life to these characters, its not easy. having some software mimic you perfectly is terrifying as hell tbh
exactly. everyone saying it's not a big deal literally do not understand what's at stake here. regardless of how people think about AI the VA's have politely asked us not to put their voices in AI learning systems. to go against that is blatantly disrespectful to them as artists. as an actor myself it's honestly scary
don't care. the future is now, old man.
@@holden_tldit’s about respect. Their voices are their livelihoods, and belong to them. It’s a huge breach of ownership. People shouldn’t be allowed to just use and benefit off of someone else’s literal voice without consent.
@@holden_tld "I'm all for the future but I'm also all for having a future" - JAJ
Does Hatsune Miku scare u omg
Pathra's really leaning into the 14 drama with the popcorn 😂
The amount of people who don’t care about AI voiceovers is concerning. Something like this may not seem like a big deal but think of the things people will do in the future if AI is perfected more. There are already people using AI voices to scam people, it will go even further and people will then try setting other people up and have them wrongfully accused of shit they haven’t done.
I love the casual snacking at the end ❤
I said it on the original video's comments, and I'll say it here again.
I initially just said "the humor is just not my cup of tea" thinking it was spliced recordings. But when I found out it was using AI that's when my disdain for it just went up.
Just because someone isn't on cameo and you can't access them to do work for you, doesn't mean you can just take their voice using AI. There is no logic where that is even ethically acceptable.
I wish it was acceptable to use AI to give voiceovers for the quests that didn't get voice acting and the actors were paid royalties for using their likeness or something. There's a lot of text quests I wish I could hear read out or expressed. Wish it wasn't such a messy situation either, the artists deserve the credit where they put in work I just wish it didn't boil down to a money issue like most things do. AI seems to be threatening a lot of art lately, which is sad I wish there was a way to balance and utilize it better
AI voice generation w/o consent is absolutely wrong & people deserve to flamed/trolled (or worse) for using it. Unless it's some loser nobody like prozd....he is NOT a voice-actor. He has less than a handful of actual credits to his name & most of them were unpaid.
I think this will eventually spiral into a legal debate and we would have to draw the line on what kind of "mimicry" is okay. There are clearly talented people out there that can impersonate someone's voice to an eerie degree, but for all intents and purposes, are they not also profiting on someone's likeliness?
the difference is they’re not profiting of _their literal voice AND likeness_ . I see impersonation as similar to commissioning a visual artist to create something “in the style of” another artist. they’re not copying anyone they’re using their human skill to create something similar inspired by another artist, not generating entirely new works by taking that persons art
So would it be okay if he got someone that could do spot on imitations?
Probably yes?
Like, this is what Fiverr is for?
yes imitation isn't the same as AI
@@bellamango6708 imitation is exactly the same as AI
@bellamango6708 there is no legal rulings on this. And if the content is good majority of people won't care about the ethics behind it.
What a total ignorant thing to say. It is not and you know it, you're just wanna be that kinda person.@@holden_tld
Wait seriously? people thought it was real and or spliced? I thought it was freakin obvious that it was AI. i mean what? have people just forgot how accurate AI voices are this year or something?
I like the contradiction of it being super obvious, but also so accurate that people thought it was real/spliced lol
AI was a huge factor in the most recent writer & actor strike in LA. Even if Sufferhymn isn't making a profit from the videos, he's still using the VA's likeness without consent, and further training AI to be able to replicate their likeness even better. Sure it's not on the same scale as a major production company using AI in such a way, but it's still detrimental and in very poor taste.
RUclips will never shut down Au. Unfortunately nothing is going to stop Ai. Even big companies like Wotc have began using Ai art and edite
Who's going to get in contact with Urianger's voice actor zenos' voice actor etx and hire them all to do a YTP style video no one and I'm sure those VAs are busy doing way bigger projects anyways it's just the human condition people not being able to just be at peace.
I'm cosplaying his character!!
I always figured his videos used ai voicing. To me, it seemed obvious, but that's just my opinion.
Future: Ai or not you will need someone to voice it first otherwise the Ai won't learn the voice possibly thinking that Ai won't be winning in the future at all just because of that.
Can’t the voice actors sue others for using their voices without consent?
"art is a luxury, pay someone to do it or learn to do it yourself."
>ok. write program to do it myself.
NO NOT LIKE THAT REEEEEEEEEE
thats not art thats programming ?
@@ho-settelmao
Bet the same people that are mad about this would happily write college/highschool papers with chat gpt.
You can't stop technology from advancing, and it is likely that Sufferhymn did not know the voice actors didn't want it. So I'd say his current content is fine, but if in the future he uses AI voices of voice actors who clearly said no, then that is a bit scummy.
Also nice to see more variety from you Pathra :3
I miss your positive videos
I think Sufferhymn videos are great, I've had a good laugh at all of them and I really enjoy his style for editing. As far as I know he did paid some of the VAs on some of his work though the videos where he uses AI is pretty obvious it's AI and I'm not going to pretend I didn't watched those or I didn't had fun watching them though I too thought they were very clever and well done editing using existing voice clips, the same method he uses to put FilthyFrank/JoJi voices on his videos, as in, audio clips taken from already existing work.
Though I agree that using AI can be harmful, at least he tried to compromise with a good middle ground which is using AI to fill in the gaps while releasing his videos without monetization in order to not profit from said VAs since they didn't consent to lend their voices. At least he does his best to reach out to the VAs on their paid platforms and pay them for their cameo on his videos.
Regarding Twitter people: I mean cmon, everybody knows that most people on Twitter are derranged, mentally-ill lunatics who like to play pretend on their high horse and they think doing things like sending death threats to people just because they don't like them is totally ok, as if this is something normal people do on their everyday lives, and also lets be real, all of this controversy comes because they don't like Sufferhymn videos and this is just a valid excuse for them to harass the CC. I think it's totally valid to not like something or even express why you don't like it but a whole different think, a quite enormously big jump is going from "I don't like this video so I'm not watching it" to "I don't like this video, maybe I should tell this person that they should self-terminate or that I'm going to find out where they live and damage them and their families permanently by breaking the law and commiting crimes". I can absolutely guarantee that no VA involved on the situation sees that and it's like "omg I'm so happy for the support, please do illegal acts and commit crimes against an individual in my name, thank you
Huh well its not hard, using software called Anamnesis and it works the same way Skyrim Mods do.
It using the game I'm pretty sure, so its just a bunch of chumps complaining over every little thing.
Manslayer does the sane thing with his gamerpoop franchise or Dasboshitt with his Gmod idiot box series. All of this came out before Ai va were a thing.
I admit that I thought it was drama alert drama alert... but nothing is more scummy than stealing someone's likeness... Using AI to replicate people's voices... yeah, he deserves the hate.
It's not that bad. He is a smaller creator. Twitter being mad again. 🤷♂️
It is bad. It's one of the worst things you can do.
@@SnowyRVulpix It's not one of the worst things you can do lmao people acting like using AI for voices is up there with rape and murder
Does Twitter really expect this dude to reach out to Asmond and Xenos who are busy doing their own content and pay them?
This whole thing stinks of the copyright/meme drama from I don't know how many years ago
In 10 years time we ERP in VR with our favorite actors xD
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so wait, people have no problem with cutting and pasting audio into new sentences, but they do have a problem with using ai to basically do the same thing with the same outcome?
welp
Sorry I just don't really care much. If it was something official, I'd totally get it and understand why people would be upset about it. But just some small youtuber who makes parody videos, don't care. I don't even play ffxiv anymore besides logging in once a month so my houses don't get demo'd, but I have seen some of his videos, and they are pretty hilarious.
Before ai voice overs Google talk to text utilized this technology, I think you have Google to blame for a lot of the dystopia things we are seeing today.
There is a bit of irony in criticizing someone using someone else's work while doing a reaction video
I asked Kougaon’s permission to react to his video
Wait thats it? I thought it was for something serious lmao this isn't something worth getting worked up over
Ikr
Same thoughts
first 🤓
People have been doing things like this from the beggining of time. Whether its voices, profile pictures, tracing over someone elses art. There will probably just be stricter online laws towards forms of AI now that its more prominent but it will never actually go away. Please square enix give us more content so people arent bored enough to care about an AI ffxiv video.
Nope nope nope, Don't anybody DARE attack Sufferhymn! His videos are TOP TIER quality compared to rest of the trash people put out for FFXIV... I don't even know the backstory, but I'm gonna throw hands with those who say shit about him...
simp alert
@@anteprs7908 Fuck oath I will simp for Suf. We don't have many aussie content creators in 14 and I will back pretty much all of them.
@@lukereynolds96 you a sad man mate.
I think that the whole this with AI is fighting a losing battle - why exactly actors, and specifically voice actors, and writers are more entitled to their work than any other people, whose jobs were replaced with automation ? This like arguing for banning of development of self-driving vehicles because millions of professional drivers will eventually lose their jobs to this tech. Probably the VAs specifically should try to get before the whole thing and try to get jobs and payments systems in place for trying the AI voice models instead.
This is the biggest overreaction ive ever seen from VAs... actually, no.
way to show you hate VA and dont understand why they have good reason to complain.
Yah ai voices arent an issue except for those that want to grandstand on the topic. Ai is leading to improved content and hate to say it. Majority of the people dont care if AI voices are used.
clearly they do care
I will just say AI of everything (making movies, games, music art) IS the future. Sure, no consent is big no no but what he did it will happen in just 10 (I will not speak for 50 years) years that there will be no consent or anything make more human job obsolete. You can be angry or hate this comment but its true. But...about him what he did is not rly category of being very harmful is this little shitty thing to do sure, did he cross the bounders yes, does he deserve all this hate definitely not, just say remove his video and move on? There are MORE very harmful things happening to this world than point hate on him lol.