Jack & the Pack always fascinates me, especially because both that and TUGS share a similarity: 13 episodes and the rest get cancelled because of budget reasonings except for Pack, it was mostly HiT's claim that the spinoff of Thomas is too similar to Bob the Builder (despite me not being a Bob fan). For Safety First and No Dozer is an Island, I like how you came up with plot lines for them particularly the former as it would've given a great character redemption for Max and Monty and would've been praised by the other members and Ms. Jenny. In terms of the original episode outlines, while it is true we might not get to see the original scripts, but these outlines do feel a bit like scripts when you put it that way. By looking at them, it looks like they do have big plans to expand more of the characters and their arcs like Patrick who was only seen in one episode that was made and the rest of his appearances were faded and only mentioned in these cancelled scripts. Out of the lost episodes, my favorites are Bossy Byron, Importance of Being Patrick, Isobella Gets Steamed and Jack's Snow Rescue. I know you didn't like BB which I respect your opinion, though for me I actually quite like it and I like how it would've given Byron more character persona (being the Gordon of the group except he's a Bulldozer) and I prefer that over Emily's Adventure cause that doesn't work for Emily except for Byron in a way that totally separates him from the Pack in a good way. For least favorites, I felt that Pop Goes the Diesel is too repetitive of Mud Glorious Mud and that it copied the same title as a certain S2 episode (much prefer Thomas to the Rescue). Kelly's Heroes while I agree on some aspects, but Jack is my main issue with him not knowing about being safe even though he already learned his lesson from his introductory episodes in S6. I am keen to adapt a few of them for Great Sodor Engines sometime in the near future (particularly Jack's Snow Rescue for now), though even when reading the outlines, it is a little hard to picture what each scene would've been like. These edited pics you did of this episode does give a clear idea of how it would've played out.
It's truly a shame we never saw these episodes made most of them sounded Amazing. I imagine Kelly's Heroes would've been my favourite, I'd love to know how they'd film the scene of Oliver hanging over the edge though
I feel like Byron and Patrick swapped personalities in these scripts Like Patrick feels completley different in On Site with Thomas than the scrapped eps
@@ThomasTheoristkinda late here but my theory is that Byron went through an ark and the scripts just went through a swapping like he went from an annoying jerk to a hero but let's be honest he probably had his character swapped.
A few of these scripts bear a resemblance towards Bob the Builder episodes (before and after the scripts) Alfie Has a Secret (obviously) with Bob Saves the Hedgehogs The Sodor Treasure Hunt with Bob's Metal Detector Jack and the Quack with Muck's Water Butt Guess you could only do so many original ideas with a similar show concept, 'Simpsons did it" flashbacks
2 things: 1st: may people write your ideas for Safety first and No BullDozer is an Island? second: I think George could work in Safety First pretty well, say Max and Monty's careless actions cause Buster to need repairs, yet the episode's project (building a new road bridge over a valley) requires a steamroller, so Miss Jenny borrows George from whoever his owner is. (let's say the lumber mill at the end of Bye George for a nice reference) to help out until Buster's back, and George is being all grumpy and reckless and arguing with everyone, even Max and Monty don't like him, then one day Max and Monty are taking supplies to the site and trying to be safe for once, when they see George swerving about, they think he's just being his rude self but soon learn that he's out of control and about to fall off the unfinished bridge, they manage to stop/save him and when the word reaches Miss Jenny and the Pack they congratulate the dump trucks, who blush due to how rare they get praised and the episode ends.
According to Robert Gauld-Galliers, Jack was originally going to be called Helpful Harry. In some promotional sketches of the Pack, Jack is seen with a backhoe arm and bucket. According to an SiF interview with Chris Lloyd, the arm was built but was too problematic as it was hard to store all of the radio gear inside the model. An interview with Phil Fehrle gives a very different reason: "...if a story required Jack to be digging (using his back-hoe) and interacting with another character working at the same time, his face would be facing away from the action. For story purposes, it was important to feature the faces as much as possible; thus, the backhoe was removed". An early concept art design for Oliver reveals his name was originally meant to be Buster. That name would actually be given to another Pack member instead. Oliver is the first character to share his name with another character in Thomas & Friends, and the second to do so in the entire franchise, the first being Bert and Iron Bert, the third being Bertram and Sir Topham Hatt in Thomas & Friends as of the thirteenth series, and the fourth is Stephen, like Sir Topham Hatt's grandson. Patrick was one of the characters that was originally going return in the CGI series but was dropped, the others being Billy, Dennis, Splatter, Dodge, Duke, Derek, Colin, Freddie and George. According to Robert Gauld-Galliers' concept art, Max was originally going to have a grey pipe shaped bumper. He was also going to have silver wheel arches and his headlights would have been on those Max's eyebrows are thinner and angular, whilst Monty's are thicker and rounded. Monty made his debut in the spin-off series DVD based primarily on the Sodor Construction Company. They are the last returning characters to have separate actors for the UK and US dubs. Monty is the only character introduced in the Jack and the Sodor Construction Company to have appeared in full CGI. According to their inaccessible page on the Official Website and merchandise character cards, Max and Monty's full names are Maximilian and Montgomery. Monty's TrackMaster model was only released in certain countries such as Portugal, making him one of the rarest and least produced pieces of Thomas merchandise ever created, though some models have been found second hand in other countries, such as the UK by Twitter user [3]@OTomatron. In the Model Series, Monty had a black radiator cap. Whereas in the CGI Series, he has a silver cap like Max. Isabella is the first character to be numbered 22, followed by Luke and Rebecca. Out of these characters, she is also the only one to be a road vehicle and not to appear in the CGI series. Isabella is the only original member of the Pack to not be manufactured by Trackmaster. Isabella is the only female member of the Pack that first originated in the model series. In earlier concepts, Ned's name was supposed to be Ted, which is also the name of Henry's fireman. According to Robert Gauld-Galliers, Ned was originally going to be female and called Sophie.[2] Furthermore, in the Italian dub, Ned is referred to as female.
It's interesting how Bossy Byron sounds pretty similar to Emily's Adventure from season 8. Like besides Kelly being away so Byron is in charge. The message is the same, being bossy doesn't get you anywhere, asking nicely does. Also random side note. Wonder if Nigel would have appeared in any of those episodes
Perhaps to explain the character change with Byron, perhaps originally Byron saves the day was meant to happen later in the show, perhaps it was supposed to be in Bossy Byron's place in the timeline.
Hopefully they will release the scripts of the series 12 episodes along with the lost narrations of Pierce Brosnan. This is hardly a win for the fandom ;)
Ya know after hearing all this I feel like that now that we know the cancelled episodes from jack and the pack I feel like we could bring these episodes to life and remake them to how it was described and we can add our own stuff into it or how we usually do the remake’s of these episodes ya know????.
I just love how Isobella essentially just blackmailed Max and Monty with her just asking them those questions and Max and Monty had no other choice but to answer the questions the way Isobella wanted in fear that she might not get the fuel for the rest of the pack if they answered wrong.😂😂😂
I’ve got a bit of a theory as to what the finale to this was. I know you and lots of other people have speculated it to be No Dozer is an Island, but it and Safety First don’t have their outlines released, and there’s even a possibility that neither of them were written. I also noticed how only the released episodes have their episode numbers confirmed, and none of them were the 26th. With all of what we do know was cut, I’m thinking maybe Jack’s Snow Rescue was the finale. It’s nothing amazing like the entire main cast together, but it’s still pretty amazing within itself for how heroic Jack was in it. It’s a bit like Hooray for Thomas (Three Cheers for Thomas for those who don’t live in North America) in the sense that it’s nothing too grand, but it still feels really heartwarming and wholesome.
i always thought that Jack and the pack characters were similar to the steam team: Jack was similar to Thomas, because he had the number 1 and jack has 2 number ones, and also becuase he is a friendly, enthusiastic, helpful, frontloader. Edward and Kelly had the most comparable features to each other, because they had blue liveries, the oldest machines owned by a previous person: Edward supposedly worked on the Furness railway, and kelly was owned by miss Jenny's father, and most notably: they were helpful, wise, benevolent, hard working, and approachable. Oliver is the like excavator equivalent to Henry, as he has a big size, but is very docile. Oliver is also like Henry because he was build unlike any other Excavator/Locomotive, since Henry runs on "Special Coal", (being Welsh coal), and Oliver's lower half caterpillar tracks are recyled from a Russian tank's tracks. Next up we have Byron, a pompous, cocky, snooty, and boastful Bulldozer. this is why he is Gordon's counterpart as a bulldozer. but like Gordon, he has heroic moments like when he saved Alfie from sinking in the mud, or when he, alongside the pack, were restoring Great Waterton. Byron is like Gordon because he has a famous background. Gordon is a LNER Gresley class A1 express train, while Byron is a Bulldozer made by the famous multinational construction company Caterpillar. Nelson has always reminded me of James, because they both claim to proud of their looks: James' red paint, and Nelson's black, yellow and Red colors. however just like how James is described as being ''Vain, but lot's of fun'', in the engine roll call, Nelson can be just as usefull as any other pack member, like when he transported Thomas to get repaired when his wheels broke off. Alfie, of course, is like Percy in many different ways, being playful, cheerful, mischievous, and having a fictional design basis, but they have their moments, like when Percy pulled Toby to safety to prevent him from going over the waterfall, and Alfie saving the cat and her kittens from a collapsing building. Ned is the steam shovel equivalent to Toby, as they are careful and wise but still want to be useful. Like Toby being the only J70 steam tram left in existence, Ned is supposedly one of the only working Marion model 28 model steam shovels around. he also, like Toby, remembers from time to timewhere steam shovels were used for construction sites, but is thankful to have survived into preservation. Buster is the Aveling and Porter Steamroller version of Duck, as they are both proud of their jobs and also can be a bit boastious about their heritage, but they can get along with the other engines and trains around them. Now evidently, Max and Monty are unavoidably similar to Bill and Ben, because they can be reckless, troublesome, obnoxious, and also naughty, but they, like Bill and Ben, always learn their lesson in the end, and can be good deep down. Patrick and Spencer are both snooty, pompous, haughty, and entitled, but like Bill, Ben, and Gordon, his attitude gets him into trouble sometimes and he gets punished for it. and lastly, Isobella and Darcy are like Molly, because they don the color Yellow, and were shy at first, but later let their true feelings come out, and be welcomed into the pack with open arms, even though they can be clumsy, they are still really useful machines.
Wow, brilliant walkthrough! I say it would've been nice for some of those episodes to be made. Others I can understand, especially "Alfie Has a Secret", which seems too similar to Bob the Builder, as you said.
These are pretty interesting. Maybe to avoid lazily re-using the title ‘Pop Goes the Diesel’ l, they should have either titled it ‘Bang Goes The Dumper!’, or ‘Pop Goes The Diesel: The Dump Truck Edition’. But still, a drill Alfie and snowplough Jack would make a good toy.
If I had the power to go back and greenlight five of the cancelled episodes, bringing the Jack and the Pack episode total up to 18 (like Season 21) they would be, Jack's Snow Rescue, Kelly's Heroes, The Importance of Being Patrick, Isobella Gets Steamed, and Safety First. I think these are the most interesting of the bunch and would given more depth and characterization do some of the pack members.
After the lost episodes were cancelled they probably were planning to reappear all the characters into cgi and redo the lost episodes including with Ned Kelly Byron Patrick Nelson Isabella NIGEL, and buster. But then they cancelled that too. That would be weird.
You said that one episode was used as a script for a series 8, but I think that Bossy Byron, 19 minutes, 48 seconds’s plot was reused and modified for Emily‘s adventure.
19:22 I think they did it better in Season 8. Backfiring is a problem with the engine itself, not the fuel. Plus, the Horrid Lorries would make more sense then Max and Monty to bully Isobella. Ned and Buster are also steam powered, and the three lorries would be better at making Isobella feel threatened. Plus, Max and Monty deep down care about their fellow machines (Max was shocked when Jack bent his arms and both were horrified when Patrick fell into his own concrete).
I actually like the jack and the pack series and always wonder how the cancel episode and the series could’ve played out if hit didn’t bought and owned Thomas at the time And some of theses cancel stories seem pretty interesting
It's interesting that the scripts of some of the episodes are interesting but still it copies some aspects from Bob the Builder I think that's why it got cancelled I still think these ones are possibly cannon to the franchise maybe same with some fan-made stories since there's a lot of alternative versions of Sodor since Showtown (My creative series) does have concepts based on lore and universe building
I like most of these and it’s very much a shame they didn’t get produced, however I will give the benefit of the doubt on the idea these were just synopsis’s of the episodes and many elements and titles could’ve simply been placeholders, so maybe the final productions could’ve been more streamlined.
Jack and the pack: Gilbert owns up. On site with victor. A snow problem. A visit with victor. Wilbert helps out. Victor's trusty friends . Hilltion has kittens. Victor and the moles. Trustworthy victor. Trouble on the mud. Muddy puddles. Snow avalanche. A happy day for wilbert. Victor and the claw.
Alfie has a secret does seem rather interesting because that would have been the first and only time we've seen hedgehogs in the TV series not only that but it does sound rather similar to the episode of Bob the Builder Bob saves the hedgehogs
We probably would’ve at least of gotten these lost episodes, but because it was too expensive, they might’ve just of stopped there. I have my own theory: Since Bob the Builder is over, what if Mattel made a 2D cartoon of Jack and the Pack instead of All Engines Go?
I agree. It's always neat when they stray away from the usual 'nice guy' persona to give them actual flaws in their journeys to development. Byron not only reminds me of Gordon, but also a bit of similarities to George from Theodore Tugboat.
As much as I wished the Jack and the Pack series was not cancelled, I do genuinely believe that they adapted the best scripts out of all the 26
I think they could've done without Scaredy, Scaredy and instead done Kelly's Heroes
Or Kelly’s Windy Day.
I never liked Patrick all that much - it was nice to see him portrayed more sympathetically and three-dimensionally in some of these scripts.
Man, Kelly’s heroes sounded like such a neat episode. Big shame they didn’t go through with that one.
“I’m doing the rumba!”
Jack & the Pack always fascinates me, especially because both that and TUGS share a similarity: 13 episodes and the rest get cancelled because of budget reasonings except for Pack, it was mostly HiT's claim that the spinoff of Thomas is too similar to Bob the Builder (despite me not being a Bob fan). For Safety First and No Dozer is an Island, I like how you came up with plot lines for them particularly the former as it would've given a great character redemption for Max and Monty and would've been praised by the other members and Ms. Jenny.
In terms of the original episode outlines, while it is true we might not get to see the original scripts, but these outlines do feel a bit like scripts when you put it that way. By looking at them, it looks like they do have big plans to expand more of the characters and their arcs like Patrick who was only seen in one episode that was made and the rest of his appearances were faded and only mentioned in these cancelled scripts. Out of the lost episodes, my favorites are Bossy Byron, Importance of Being Patrick, Isobella Gets Steamed and Jack's Snow Rescue. I know you didn't like BB which I respect your opinion, though for me I actually quite like it and I like how it would've given Byron more character persona (being the Gordon of the group except he's a Bulldozer) and I prefer that over Emily's Adventure cause that doesn't work for Emily except for Byron in a way that totally separates him from the Pack in a good way.
For least favorites, I felt that Pop Goes the Diesel is too repetitive of Mud Glorious Mud and that it copied the same title as a certain S2 episode (much prefer Thomas to the Rescue). Kelly's Heroes while I agree on some aspects, but Jack is my main issue with him not knowing about being safe even though he already learned his lesson from his introductory episodes in S6.
I am keen to adapt a few of them for Great Sodor Engines sometime in the near future (particularly Jack's Snow Rescue for now), though even when reading the outlines, it is a little hard to picture what each scene would've been like. These edited pics you did of this episode does give a clear idea of how it would've played out.
It's truly a shame we never saw these episodes made most of them sounded Amazing. I imagine Kelly's Heroes would've been my favourite, I'd love to know how they'd film the scene of Oliver hanging over the edge though
Btw how did they found these outlines..?
I Love How In Pop Goes The Diesel, Isobella Basically Just Does The Truck Equivalent Of Flipping Off Max & Monty
I feel like Byron and Patrick swapped personalities in these scripts
Like Patrick feels completley different in On Site with Thomas than the scrapped eps
I kinda like that there's more nuance to Patricks character, but yeah Byron kinda sucks in these scripts lamo
@@ThomasTheoristkinda late here but my theory is that Byron went through an ark and the scripts just went through a swapping like he went from an annoying jerk to a hero but let's be honest he probably had his character swapped.
Kelly’s heroes should’ve been adapted, no two ways about it. Would’ve been THE best pack episode, even higher than trusty friends.
This better not be fake because I’ve been meaning to adapt the jack and the pack series so adapting the cancelled episodes would be cool
If you were expecting real episodes than no,the scripts for all 13 episodes got released
I'd love to see someone do an adaptation of these released scripts. And yes, they are real.
@@wishbonefan Especially in CGI style.
I like how Kelly is the Toby where a youngster doesn’t listen to him he sits there and sees them fail.
I do wonder if a second season was planned. More new characters, seeing the other road vehicles, an episode with Miss Jenny's father, etc.
That would have been cool
A few of these scripts bear a resemblance towards Bob the Builder episodes (before and after the scripts)
Alfie Has a Secret (obviously) with Bob Saves the Hedgehogs
The Sodor Treasure Hunt with Bob's Metal Detector
Jack and the Quack with Muck's Water Butt
Guess you could only do so many original ideas with a similar show concept, 'Simpsons did it" flashbacks
I noticed this video got a mention in The Unlucky Tug’s Jack and the Pack’s Retrospective
I lost it at the Rumba bit
2 things:
1st: may people write your ideas for Safety first and No BullDozer is an Island?
second: I think George could work in Safety First pretty well, say Max and Monty's careless actions cause Buster to need repairs, yet the episode's project (building a new road bridge over a valley) requires a steamroller, so Miss Jenny borrows George from whoever his owner is. (let's say the lumber mill at the end of Bye George for a nice reference) to help out until Buster's back, and George is being all grumpy and reckless and arguing with everyone, even Max and Monty don't like him, then one day Max and Monty are taking supplies to the site and trying to be safe for once, when they see George swerving about, they think he's just being his rude self but soon learn that he's out of control and about to fall off the unfinished bridge, they manage to stop/save him and when the word reaches Miss Jenny and the Pack they congratulate the dump trucks, who blush due to how rare they get praised and the episode ends.
Yes. They can. Feel free to adapt!
@@ThomasTheorist thanks you.
According to Robert Gauld-Galliers, Jack was originally going to be called Helpful Harry.
In some promotional sketches of the Pack, Jack is seen with a backhoe arm and bucket. According to an SiF interview with Chris Lloyd, the arm was built but was too problematic as it was hard to store all of the radio gear inside the model. An interview with Phil Fehrle gives a very different reason: "...if a story required Jack to be digging (using his back-hoe) and interacting with another character working at the same time, his face would be facing away from the action. For story purposes, it was important to feature the faces as much as possible; thus, the backhoe was removed".
An early concept art design for Oliver reveals his name was originally meant to be Buster. That name would actually be given to another Pack member instead.
Oliver is the first character to share his name with another character in Thomas & Friends, and the second to do so in the entire franchise, the first being Bert and Iron Bert, the third being Bertram and Sir Topham Hatt in Thomas & Friends as of the thirteenth series, and the fourth is Stephen, like Sir Topham Hatt's grandson.
Patrick was one of the characters that was originally going return in the CGI series but was dropped, the others being Billy, Dennis, Splatter, Dodge, Duke, Derek, Colin, Freddie and George.
According to Robert Gauld-Galliers' concept art, Max was originally going to have a grey pipe shaped bumper.
He was also going to have silver wheel arches and his headlights would have been on those
Max's eyebrows are thinner and angular, whilst Monty's are thicker and rounded.
Monty made his debut in the spin-off series DVD based primarily on the Sodor Construction Company.
They are the last returning characters to have separate actors for the UK and US dubs.
Monty is the only character introduced in the Jack and the Sodor Construction Company to have appeared in full CGI.
According to their inaccessible page on the Official Website and merchandise character cards, Max and Monty's full names are Maximilian and Montgomery.
Monty's TrackMaster model was only released in certain countries such as Portugal, making him one of the rarest and least produced pieces of Thomas merchandise ever created, though some models have been found second hand in other countries, such as the UK by Twitter user [3]@OTomatron.
In the Model Series, Monty had a black radiator cap. Whereas in the CGI Series, he has a silver cap like Max.
Isabella is the first character to be numbered 22, followed by Luke and Rebecca. Out of these characters, she is also the only one to be a road vehicle and not to appear in the CGI series.
Isabella is the only original member of the Pack to not be manufactured by Trackmaster.
Isabella is the only female member of the Pack that first originated in the model series.
In earlier concepts, Ned's name was supposed to be Ted, which is also the name of Henry's fireman. According to Robert Gauld-Galliers, Ned was originally going to be female and called Sophie.[2] Furthermore, in the Italian dub, Ned is referred to as female.
I bet Jack and Donald would be having a competition over whos duck is the best
It's interesting how Bossy Byron sounds pretty similar to Emily's Adventure from season 8. Like besides Kelly being away so Byron is in charge. The message is the same, being bossy doesn't get you anywhere, asking nicely does.
Also random side note. Wonder if Nigel would have appeared in any of those episodes
he would probably appear in Kelly's heroes
@@nolancarey4500What role do you think he would have
I liked the intro you did for Jack and the Pack. It feels like what could have been.
Perhaps to explain the character change with Byron, perhaps originally Byron saves the day was meant to happen later in the show, perhaps it was supposed to be in Bossy Byron's place in the timeline.
Hopefully they will release the scripts of the series 12 episodes along with the lost narrations of Pierce Brosnan.
This is hardly a win for the fandom ;)
Congrats! Your video's link is on 1 of The Unlucky Tug's videos!
Sad these were cancelled due to being to close to Bob The Builder and budget disputes.
This is hype! I am excited to see what they were like.
DA RUMBA!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂 gets me every time
My best jack and the pack lost episode is jack in the snow I wood love to see that episode ❤❤😊
15:26
What are you doing?
I'M DOING THE RUMBA!
The Rumba?
*THE RUMBA*
“I’m doing the *RUMMMMMBA!!!!* “
Your videos never fail to entertain
Ya know after hearing all this I feel like that now that we know the cancelled episodes from jack and the pack I feel like we could bring these episodes to life and remake them to how it was described and we can add our own stuff into it or how we usually do the remake’s of these episodes ya know????.
now the sodor snow storm pack characters make sense now Mattel probably got the scripts and made the products
I just love how Isobella essentially just blackmailed Max and Monty with her just asking them those questions and Max and Monty had no other choice but to answer the questions the way Isobella wanted in fear that she might not get the fuel for the rest of the pack if they answered wrong.😂😂😂
Anyone else get MASSIVE nostalgia hearing this video clip?? 1:09
2:09 scared me idk why
The plot of Bossy Byron reminds me of the Brenda episode from season 23 due to both characters wanting something to be a particular spot
Prehabs they could have used Brenda instead of Byron
I think,when Bob the Builder came later than we have still Jack and the Pack Episodes.
I’ve got a bit of a theory as to what the finale to this was. I know you and lots of other people have speculated it to be No Dozer is an Island, but it and Safety First don’t have their outlines released, and there’s even a possibility that neither of them were written. I also noticed how only the released episodes have their episode numbers confirmed, and none of them were the 26th. With all of what we do know was cut, I’m thinking maybe Jack’s Snow Rescue was the finale. It’s nothing amazing like the entire main cast together, but it’s still pretty amazing within itself for how heroic Jack was in it. It’s a bit like Hooray for Thomas (Three Cheers for Thomas for those who don’t live in North America) in the sense that it’s nothing too grand, but it still feels really heartwarming and wholesome.
me and the homies always doing THE RUMBA
"THE RUMBA!!" - Byron The BullDozer 2001
i always thought that Jack and the pack characters were similar to the steam team: Jack was similar to Thomas, because he had the number 1 and jack has 2 number ones, and also becuase he is a friendly, enthusiastic, helpful, frontloader.
Edward and Kelly had the most comparable features to each other, because they had blue liveries, the oldest machines owned by a previous person: Edward supposedly worked on the Furness railway, and kelly was owned by miss Jenny's father, and most notably: they were helpful, wise, benevolent, hard working, and approachable.
Oliver is the like excavator equivalent to Henry, as he has a big size, but is very docile. Oliver is also like Henry because he was build unlike any other Excavator/Locomotive, since Henry runs on "Special Coal", (being Welsh coal), and Oliver's lower half caterpillar tracks are recyled from a Russian tank's tracks.
Next up we have Byron, a pompous, cocky, snooty, and boastful Bulldozer. this is why he is Gordon's counterpart as a bulldozer. but like Gordon, he has heroic moments like when he saved Alfie from sinking in the mud, or when he, alongside the pack, were restoring Great Waterton. Byron is like Gordon because he has a famous background. Gordon is a LNER Gresley class A1 express train, while Byron is a Bulldozer made by the famous multinational construction company Caterpillar.
Nelson has always reminded me of James, because they both claim to proud of their looks: James' red paint, and Nelson's black, yellow and Red colors. however just like how James is described as being ''Vain, but lot's of fun'', in the engine roll call, Nelson can be just as usefull as any other pack member, like when he transported Thomas to get repaired when his wheels broke off.
Alfie, of course, is like Percy in many different ways, being playful, cheerful, mischievous, and having a fictional design basis, but they have their moments, like when Percy pulled Toby to safety to prevent him from going over the waterfall, and Alfie saving the cat and her kittens from a collapsing building.
Ned is the steam shovel equivalent to Toby, as they are careful and wise but still want to be useful. Like Toby being the only J70 steam tram left in existence, Ned is supposedly one of the only working Marion model 28 model steam shovels around. he also, like Toby, remembers from time to timewhere steam shovels were used for construction sites, but is thankful to have survived into preservation.
Buster is the Aveling and Porter Steamroller version of Duck, as they are both proud of their jobs and also can be a bit boastious about their heritage, but they can get along with the other engines and trains around them.
Now evidently, Max and Monty are unavoidably similar to Bill and Ben, because they can be reckless, troublesome, obnoxious, and also naughty, but they, like Bill and Ben, always learn their lesson in the end, and can be good deep down.
Patrick and Spencer are both snooty, pompous, haughty, and entitled, but like Bill, Ben, and Gordon, his attitude gets him into trouble sometimes and he gets punished for it.
and lastly, Isobella and Darcy are like Molly, because they don the color Yellow, and were shy at first, but later let their true feelings come out, and be welcomed into the pack with open arms, even though they can be clumsy, they are still really useful machines.
We need to see these dynamics
Honestly, if Bossy Byron and All Work No Play were completed, I’d probably like Byron Saves the Day a lot more.
Wow, brilliant walkthrough! I say it would've been nice for some of those episodes to be made. Others I can understand, especially "Alfie Has a Secret", which seems too similar to Bob the Builder, as you said.
These are pretty interesting. Maybe to avoid lazily re-using the title ‘Pop Goes the Diesel’ l, they should have either titled it ‘Bang Goes The Dumper!’, or ‘Pop Goes The Diesel: The Dump Truck Edition’. But still, a drill Alfie and snowplough Jack would make a good toy.
i have all the dvds from jack & the pack and the original ttte the holy grail for me and ttte
I don't know why, but I suddenly feel like adapting the lost episodes of Jack and the Pack for Valentin & Friends.
I'm not a TTTE&F fanboy (despite this, I still adore my childhood show), but that topic, and these found scripts was pretty interesting..
Hearing Byran say the Rumba is so funny.
HIT might have fucked up Thomas when they owned the frantic but they did make some nice looking models and sense that looked beautiful
If I had the power to go back and greenlight five of the cancelled episodes, bringing the Jack and the Pack episode total up to 18 (like Season 21) they would be, Jack's Snow Rescue, Kelly's Heroes, The Importance of Being Patrick, Isobella Gets Steamed, and Safety First. I think these are the most interesting of the bunch and would given more depth and characterization do some of the pack members.
Great video, I wish we could have seen these episodes
After the lost episodes were cancelled they probably were planning to reappear all the characters into cgi and redo the lost episodes including with Ned Kelly Byron Patrick Nelson Isabella NIGEL, and buster. But then they cancelled that too. That would be weird.
You said that one episode was used as a script for a series 8, but I think that Bossy Byron, 19 minutes, 48 seconds’s plot was reused and modified for Emily‘s adventure.
Anyone else notice the lack of Thomas and the other engines in these scrips? Almost like this is a spinoff or something.
I think they were added to the filmed episodes and probably weren’t even in the original scripts.
That's what it was supposed to be
19:22 I think they did it better in Season 8. Backfiring is a problem with the engine itself, not the fuel. Plus, the Horrid Lorries would make more sense then Max and Monty to bully Isobella. Ned and Buster are also steam powered, and the three lorries would be better at making Isobella feel threatened. Plus, Max and Monty deep down care about their fellow machines (Max was shocked when Jack bent his arms and both were horrified when Patrick fell into his own concrete).
The theme song gives me blue mountain mystery vibes
One glaring issue for Jack's Snow Rescue: Why is Miss Jenny driving ahead of the front loader fitted with a snowplow? What was she thinking?
No idea, I think it was so jack would have that moment where he wouldn't know which way to turn. Still found it weird as hell!
15:26
IM DOING THE RUMMBA
Jack being Irish is such a mood.
I actually like the jack and the pack series and always wonder how the cancel episode and the series could’ve played out if hit didn’t bought and owned Thomas at the time
And some of theses cancel stories seem pretty interesting
I always knew that Easter egg about Trevor in mud glorious mud as a kid LOL
It's interesting that the scripts of some of the episodes are interesting but still it copies some aspects from Bob the Builder I think that's why it got cancelled
I still think these ones are possibly cannon to the franchise maybe same with some fan-made stories since there's a lot of alternative versions of Sodor since Showtown (My creative series) does have concepts based on lore and universe building
IM DOING THE RUMBA
I like most of these and it’s very much a shame they didn’t get produced, however I will give the benefit of the doubt on the idea these were just synopsis’s of the episodes and many elements and titles could’ve simply been placeholders, so maybe the final productions could’ve been more streamlined.
Well, I must say, that is really good.
i hope fans make these episodes
THE RUMBA
Jack and the pack: Gilbert owns up. On site with victor. A snow problem. A visit with victor. Wilbert helps out. Victor's trusty friends . Hilltion has kittens. Victor and the moles. Trustworthy victor. Trouble on the mud. Muddy puddles. Snow avalanche. A happy day for wilbert. Victor and the claw.
the lost episodes of Jack and the Pack Never Made
I thought that the "Romba" line was great and funny, too. XD
That caught me so off guard and I love it 😂
5:12 Wow, Trevor's got a dumpy. :3
This series was similar to Total Drama Pahkitew Island.
Can you please talk about the scrapped episodes of Total Drama Pahkitew Island.
I actually did decide on doing a Jack and the Pack series for RUclips
How can I possibly adapt those scripts in CGI style to plan them out?
I wonder if it’s possible to edit existing footage to represent the missing episodes
Wendy has a sister called Jenny and my head canon is her real name is Jenny the 2nd and Miss Jenny is her and Wendy’s mum. Building runs in the family
Explains why they live in the same universe in the children in need 2008 song
4:04 I think, pointing out minor aesthetic similarities is kind of odd.
Kelly's Heroes is my favourite unmade episode
Alfie has a secret does seem rather interesting because that would have been the first and only time we've seen hedgehogs in the TV series not only that but it does sound rather similar to the episode of Bob the Builder Bob saves the hedgehogs
I like your ideas for the last 2 episodes
Just Realised Thomas and Percy arent mentioned in any of these scripts
Here's an interesting theory i just thought of:
What would happen if HIT cancelled Bob The Builder instead of Jack & The Pack?
We probably would’ve at least of gotten these lost episodes, but because it was too expensive, they might’ve just of stopped there.
I have my own theory: Since Bob the Builder is over, what if Mattel made a 2D cartoon of Jack and the Pack instead of All Engines Go?
i like this video but all work no play reminds me of the season 20 episode ir 19 i dont rememeber episode pouty james
why did buster get two episodes when hes kind of a mid character? another patrick, ned or oliver episode would’ve been way better
Ladies and lads we got them
amazing work
Really cool!😃
I thought pop goes the diesel was about diesel helping the pack but causes trouble.
I wonder what would Nigal who was a characters planed, would have been contributed
Oh my god
the ROMBA! 🤣
it's to funny
It’s a tragedy that we’re only hearing about it now.
da ducks f l o a t e d awae
Great video
what was mineral water a great find?
Nobody:
RUclips comments: 8:57
I found them on the wiki 2 years ago
lost and found
this was a great video but i noticed something. Its spelled "Isabella" not "Isobella".
My name is actually spelled Isobella
19:46 you mean Isobella
I disagree with you about Bossy Byron. That cancelled episode would've expanded Byron's personality.
I agree. It's always neat when they stray away from the usual 'nice guy' persona to give them actual flaws in their journeys to development. Byron not only reminds me of Gordon, but also a bit of similarities to George from Theodore Tugboat.