My Visit to Charis Bible College
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Two years ago I made paid a visit to Charis Bible College lead by Andrew Womack, a prominent Word-Faith preacher. It was quite an interesting and revealing visit.
In this program I will tell you about my visit and what happened when I challenged a prospective student’s theology with the Word of God.
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I believe God is the Healer
And He is still doing it....
The Healer
The Restorer
The Redeemer
The deliverer
Hallelujah
Amen Amen Amen
Yes, Justin isn't saying God isn't the healer or that God doesn't heal people. God absolutely heals people, but it is up to Him and Him ONLY who is healed, when, why, etc. It's not God's will for EVERYONE to be healed - if it were, everyone would be healed. And these charlatans are certainly not healing anyone or being used by God to do so either, they're proven liars. But God absolutely can heal people and still does, and always has, but only when it is His will to do so.
@@zzevonplant Romans 2:11-16
King James Version
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified
@@zzevonplant AMEN!
@@zzevonplant right zz... the man speaking is in a wheelchair for life
@@lonelybro77 Yep. And these heretical prosperity-preachers and hyper-charismatics would say Justin just doesn't have enough faith or whatever and that's why he hasn't been healed from Cerebral Palsy. It's just so evil, and such a twisting of scripture.
A while back I heard someone say this, " I don't read bible verses anymore. I read chapters." I completely agree with this. Context is everything.
@WhenYouKnowYouKnow Am I a Jew? Romans 3:10 there is none righteous.
@WhenYouKnowYouKnow it is by faith that a righteous person has life. All we could offer God on our behalf is a filthy rag.
What are we talking about here?
Everything is everything. Context can be critical buts it's not everything. Look at Peter quoting Joel. Look at Paul wrestling all kinds of things off the page, "muzzle not an ox ...does God care for oxen?" Even Jesus might stretch a context here or there. The Jews saw scripture as a living and flexible thing. Be balanced, academic AND faith-filled.
@@greatlistener3740 No Christian EVER has claimed that it is OK to sin.
The claim is, that if we do happen to sin, that we do not harden ourselves to the point we do not repent of it.
If we think we are perfect.....well, how exactly are we going to repent for something we cannot even acknowledge we did?
Pride......it is the root of EVERY wrong that has EVER existed since the creation.
Pride was what resided in the serpent, before he even opened his mouth.
What is more prideful than claiming we are what the I AM claims of Himself.
Lucifer had five I AM claims in Isiah, THESE CLAIMS ARE DEATH!!!!
Only YHWH is perfect.
If we could become perfect after being forgiven.......WHY DID ZERO PEOPLE DO IT (besides Yeshua) IN THE ENTIRETY OF SCRIPTURE!!!
Also, why the @#$% did Christ have to die if there was a path to salvation, "becoming perfect after forgiveness" other than his brutal, and if this theology is correct, UNESCESSARY crucifixion?!?!?
@@archam777 Are you a follower of Christ?
This must be a real hypocrisy because you don't really believe in the things he does. By the way everyone is wrong, you are the only one right. Someone who has a ministry dedicated to attack other people don't really have my respect.
Random guy on internet withholds his respect. That's cold, dude.
Attack? That's the wrong word.
@@DustinSrLenzo I am a journalist. I know the right word.
@@airplane800 You are a journalist. All that means is that you use hyperbole for sensationalism. Funny that lawyers and journalists are the top two occupations that are dedicated to attacking other people. Here you are on Mr. Peter's channel attacking him. As with 99.9% of other journalists, you don't deserve anybody's respect.
I graduated from Charis Bible college in 2017. You spoke to a prospective student when you were there not a graduate. You spoke to a perspective student otherwise known as a visitor instead of an instructor. You were there on false pretenses which is the way Calvinists and cessationists usually handle themselves.
The authors that you mentioned in the bookstore, none of those authors have books in that bookstore. In other words you misled or lied in your video. The bookstore is more of a gift store for visitors but you obviously didn't look closely enough.
Charis is a Bible college not a church. I'm hoping you misspoke and did not intend to mislead the viewers. There are many Bible colleges with larger campuses then Charis. Many of them have great debt. Charis is virtually debt free.
Calvinism is not the gospel. Your unbelief keeps you bound in your wheelchair. Most likely it's the reason why you embrace the doctrine that you embrace.
I believe in the goodness of God and I pray that you would be healed completely in this life.
I have a screenshot of my post. If you decide to edit it.
Woah. . . . .talk about kicking below the belt brother. . . .
I think you should take that back. Please. . .
PRAY
TGC
Blessings
@@nealthomson9505Andrew Wommack is an excellent Bible teacher. Seek discernment.
“Your unbelief keeps you bound in your wheelchair”. That was not anything Jesus would have said to someone. Jesus does the healing and him alone, you have no idea why some people get healed and some don’t. I know for certain there are millions of Christian’s who believe they will be healed from ailments and still have not been healed. It is not up to them whether they are healed, it is up to Christ. You couldn’t come off any less loving to someone you don’t know.
@@fogtowng Sadly, you do not know God nor His Word…”So Jesus said to them BECAUSE OF YOUR UNBELIEF; for assuredly I say to
you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there, and it will move AND NOTHING will
be impossible to you.” (Jesus) Matthew 17:20 (emphasis mine) WHY did Jesus say that? BECAUSE they could not understand why THEY, THEY,
THEY could not cast the demon out of the epileptic boy! Jesus said few would truly find the The Truth, and AS ALWAYS, everything He says
is THE PERFECT TRUTH. Truly seek The Creator God, if you really want to know Him!
Jesus still performs miracle
yes he does....and what is cool is that he already knows what we are praying for....cause he planned it all.....i love that ........i have been told all of my life that i am the one that has caused my grief....i am responsible for it all.....now i believe that i am seeing the truth...justin has shed some light on my life....thanks.
@The Church of Repentance why are you down playing God’s miracle working power? Your ilk is on the other side of the spectrum. Someone could sayGod is a healer which is biblical and your defenses get up. Do you not see a problem with that?
God is the same as he was 2000 years ago, he still heals today
@@kentuckylifeatitsbest8947 But He is not under obligation to heal. He didn't heal Paul from his thorn in the flesh, even when Paul prayed and asked him to heal on three specific occasions. The reason he did not heal him is that God had a greater objective than physical healing, which was that Paul would see that God's grace is enough even when we are not healed. The word/faith doctrine is inaccurate, otherwise no one who is staunch believer in it would ever die. But each of them will die of one cause or another, because God says, "it is appointed unto man once to die."
@@rickbarnes7745 you do not even know what the thorn in the flesh was .. it was not sickness as most people think it was it is a lie People read scriptures from the Bible and make their own asumption about what it saids and get all twisted up and go tell people it saids this and it never said that in the first place and this why people hate churches and get mad at God in Heaven and say there is no God and he does not care and all it was they believe a lie and i guess you think God in Heaven said The lord giveth and the Lord taketh away Job said this not God Of Heaven........In 2 Corinthians 12 Verse 7 says it came lest Paul should be exalted above measure. Traditionally, that has been interpreted to say the thorn was to keep Paul humble. Therefore, God had to be the author of it, because only God would want Paul to be humble. But there is a godly way of being exalted. First Peter 5:6 says, “Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time.” Those who submit (humble) themselves to God will be exalted by God. Paul was not speaking of exalting himself above measure through pride, but rather, the thorn came from Satan to keep Paul from being exalted by God in the eyes of the people...the thorn is given to prevent Paul from being proud, haughty or conceited on the basis of his vision ...To make it clear You think your better than anyone else ..Just coz God of Heaven Blesses or Gives You A Gift and in your thinking your better than anyone else But your not ..this is what it means
My mum was diagnosed with congestive heart failure and I called Andrew wommack ministries for prayer...she went for a second review and they told her her heart was perfect. She received her healing
That's awesome! But, that isn't because of a preacher. God healed her.
@@kimalonzo3363 the preacher didn't pray for her....and ordinary person praying for her...we believed together and God healed her...it was miraculous and brought so much joy to us
@@druscillahenry3224 so happy for you and your family!
@B D interesting experience
And Paul didn’t heal either.. it was Jesus through him... obviously God uses people!
I was healed by Jesus Christ from a lifetime of debilitating anxiety/depression that had to be medicated. No more meds and I am stable and closer to the Lord than ever! Thank you Father! God heals and I will never cease to pray for the sick when the Holy Spirit compels me to. I don't see one Bible verse that forbids us to lay hands on the sick and pray for their healing in Jesus name!! I myself have to pray for my own healing from my carnal nature daily. We must remain humble in the sight of the Lord and be ready to receive a healing whenever He so wills it.
The people who I feel bad for are the people who have invisible disabilities, therefore they never receive prayer. People with visible disabilities should feel blessed that so many love them enough to pray for them!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with praying for the sick, laying hands on the sick in prayers, praying for our own physical, mental, and/or spiritual healing, and so on. There's nothing at all wrong with that. And the Lord ABSOLUTELY DOES still heal people today, and every cessationist believes that. We just don't believe that these word-faith people are running around healing people, they're liars, they're charlatans, THEY cannot heal people at will, none of us can heal people at will, none of us has that power, only the Lord has that power and only uses it when it is his sovereign will to heal the person. That's not what these word-faith people are teaching though. There is a huge difference between, "the Lord CAN heal anyone, and heals whom He wills for His own reasons, and for some, healing is not God's will for them," etc., versus "I, Benny Hinn/Andrew Womack/Kenneth Copeland/whoever can heal whoever I want, whenever, because I wield the Holy Spirit like a magic wand." Those are not the same things at all, it's a crucially important distinction.
Justin Peters would not disagree with what you said. The issue is saying that God always wills someone to be healed, when in reality, if someone wills someone to be healed it will happen, and if he wills they dont be healed, they wont be. ofc we make our requests known to God, and if it is his will to heal then it will happen.
Why is it we don’t see people with real physical ailments, an amputation for example, have their limbs ‘regrown’? Why is there absolutely NO evidence for ANY of these so called ‘healings’, not a single shred? I suffer with acute anxiety and manage it through repetitive prayer (Jesus Prayer) using a prayer rope and that has allowed me to manage it. I’m not ‘healed’. But I get by just fine.
@@tomweald186 there is evidence. Andrew has several Healing Journey CD's where people have documented their healing. Do you want to just "get by" or be healed? Until you believe it, you will never behealed. Repetive prayer will not get you healed. Faith-filled, believe it with all your heart prayer will get you healed.
@@spiritman-em4qr Scripture please. It is God's will for ALL to be healed. Jesus went to the cross and took ALL sickness and disease with Him. If it wasn't God's will that all be healed, then why would Jesus suffer our sickness and disease?? God does not sit up in Heaven and dole out the healing, healing some and deciding that some deserve to be sick! That is such a sick picture of our Heavenly Father! In Matthew 28, the Bible tells us that ALL authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to Him and we are to spread all things that Jesus taught while on earth including the fact that we have authority to cast out sickness and disease and we must do it! Please read your Bible! WE have to take the authority in our own lives and if we don't believe that we will be healed, then we won't be. Clear and simple! (I had prematurely hit save before I completed my thoughts previously. I was interrupted and thought I had completed it)
this bothered me. It wouldve been respectful to schedule an appointment to discuss your feelings instead of going about things this way. Why do you never confront or respectfully discuss your feelings but rather...choose to do things this way. I never hear the preaching of the Gospel here.
That is because he does not know The Truth.
Deceived and deceiving, sadly.
DO you have any of the fruit Andrew has?? I highly doubt. He is right on the word of God. Another unbelieving believer. SO SAD!
Beware of brothers that sow discord among the brethren church.
I believe that Jesus took 39 leashes and we are healed in the name of Jesus
Wow! That's incredible that Jesus wore 39 leashes! Dogs, for one, would never tolerate that many leashes! However, one may indeed question why anyone would want or need to be restrained by that many leashes!!
@@Esmeralda-gt6uf no need to mock. English is not everyone’s first language. Better to be helpful than sarcastic.
@@kaycee625If English is not your first language, the fact that you have read your Bible reveals that you do indeed know the difference between lashes and leashes. We are wise when we say what we mean and mean what we say.
noooo.thats only SPIRITUAL healing don't you know...(except for the book of acts then God just said oh forget it I'm just gonna let people be sick) typical cessationist nonsense
@@thegrigs777 Please refute cessationism using the Bible. We'll wait.
I'm not sure if I am understanding your MO here. Is your sole mission in life to go around and undermine and point out the flaws in other ministries? If so what does it accomplish? You have them too.
Exactly.
For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. - Matthew 13:17.
@@nighredemption ?? I have no idea what you are saying in the context to the conversation.
The power is in the Word of God. Amen.
Oh yes, he is so alive today!
Oh the cognitive dissonance he must've experienced. A lot of us have accepted those presenting as themselves and some perspective as being "Christian" without testing the theology to scripture. Holy Father please bless us with discernment. Thanks Justin.
unfortunately, many who follow them, do not know enough theology to know the difference.
Christian means to be Christ-like: living and doing exactly as Jesus the Christ. No fancy home, no fancy clothes, vehicle, owning absolutely nothing, depending upon others for your survival, and dedicating one's entire life to others. In summary: there are NO TRUE CHRISTIANS amongst us, ONLY false prophets/charlatans. Fact.
@@Esmeralda-gt6uf not fact
@@skysavle4427 Oh, my! Another self-perceived all-knowing, all-wise! Isn't it wonderful how many pseudo Einsteins exist here on RUclips who are bold and brave enough to reveal themselves as dolts so no one will ever perceive them as intelligent! How most pitiful!
@@Esmeralda-gt6uf Nice.
With all due respect, sir, you ambushed a struggling young man obviously incapable of holding anything resembling even a shallow theological discussion.
I gave him the truth and it showed it to him from scripture. That is the most loving thing I could do for him.
@@JustinPetersMin IMHO a more loving thing to do for him would have been to maybe invite him for coffee or something and get to know him at least a little. Or take him to where you were speaking. I seriously doubt he absorbed much of anything you had to say based on what you reported. There are any number of reasons for the state he was in.
@@dd06222002 I invited him to come where I was speaking. Gave him the times and address.
@@disproveofthis Yep, you are right.
Sir your revelation of the word is not complete, go ask the holy spirit to teach you more.
Okay, how would you interpret the scriptures he brought up?
I’ve been to charis Bible college and studied 3 half years
Best place I’ve ever been .
I had revelation after revelation
My marriage is now restored and family ..
I have seen miracles after miracles people getting healed
From a headache to cancer and disable lady walking out of a wheel chair the list goes on
Praying in Jesus name for healing works .. try it for urself
Jesus said Taste & see
Yes and wow I heard that verse today . My son was raised to life from a near drowning and my womb since learning the truth through this ministry and Gods word . Amen for body soul and spirit health :) I’m continue in prayer for my husband daily for his back he actually just visited the college for me bc he knows I follow the ministry which is huge bc before his heart was hardened with me and the lord and I see a beautiful change ! Ty Jesus
God absolutely heals, not prideful men who charge money. God heals when it’s His will, not the command or prayer of men. No where in the Bible does it say “men heal” or charge money/tithe to pray over someone…God Bless!
@@tonymedina6493 ok 👍
If it’s in his will then yes you will be healed. But if it’s not, he’s protecting.
@@tonymedina6493 Where in the above comments did you find someone saying either, "God does not heal," or "prideful men who charge money heal?" You are making a strawman argument, and pretty weakly, I might add.
Mr. Womack is indeed a word of faith preacher. But he also preaches Jesus Christ, and Him crucified, for the remission of sins. If he indeed believes what he preaches about Christ, will he then go to Hell because he teaches that all people can be healed in Jesus name?
Andrew's teachings are bible based, he does take the context as well. He is a simple, very open of his humble beginning..very different from the other preachers.. he always glorifies God for the campus. .. spirit of God reveals things to us.. he is not so charismatic..not fashionable.. but God is using him. He is just sayings our works cannot please God..and there are consequences to sin. He does cover all.. but Jesus Christ is the only good teacher, full of wisdom and knowledge.
Bible based? If so where in the Bible does it teach to decree and declare and manifest rather than pray for supplication with thanksgiving to our God who alone has the authority
May god open your heart and eyes brother. Very sad that what you did with the boy. People shouldn't do that. Read the bible.
I do, Nikitha. I could not get that young man to read his.
@@strongestguyonthefootballt9599 I do not even have the slightest idea what you are talking about. I have never disabled the comments on any of my videos. Go check for yourself. The only cowards are those who lie and falsely accuse.
@@strongestguyonthefootballt9599 So, "strongest guy," I went and looked at nearly every video I have and did indeed find one where the comments were disabled. It is entitled "My Trip To Zambia." I have no idea why the comments are disabled on it. I just tried to enable them to no avail. I can't figure it out. I have blocked a number of people from my channel because they are angry jerks and some use foul language. Some post dozens of comments one right after another and are obviously just trying to be seen. But I have never consciously disabled comments from a video. I don't know why that happened on the video I made about my trip to Zambia. But I have never disabled the comment section. Never. But I do occasionally block people who are unnecessarily caustic and obnoxious or call names as you have done. So, therefore, I am about to block you. Blame only yourself, "Strongest guy."
@@strongestguyonthefootballt9599 I just looked at your channel. No doubt I'm blocking you.
Why would people want to fight people who believe God desires to heal and deliver? We all walk our own salvation out with fear and trembling. If you believe God's will is not healing for all then walk that out in your salvation. But dont criticize and attack others who believe that Christ has purchased healing for all. Christ paid a mighty price for healing to be available to the body of Christ. Why fight people along these lines? Paul said if people are preaching Christ, even for various different reasons, he rejoices that Christ is being preached.
He's "fighting" them because they aren't even Christians. Notice how Mike denies those words even come from the Bible. “If you love me, you will keep my commandments." John 14:15
@@anduinsuchan356 do you know Mike? Have you seen his walk in life? It's very presumptuous to watch a edited youtube video and wright someone off as a unbeliever dont you think?
@@truthseeker6410 no I don't think it's presumptuous. But it is presumptuous to assume that someone who is about to attend bible college yet isn't even willing to admit what the Bible clearly says is actually a Christian. It's presumptuous to give every professing believer a free pass, not even engage with them about God's precious word, and fail to show them their error when they show you their open hostility toward God. It's presumptuous to give known false teachers who contradict God's word a wink and a nod as if they just get to work out their own "journey". It's presumptuous to fail to be faithful to God's command to call out false teachers for their own salvation and the protection of the flock. What you so proudly call "fighting" is the most loving thing we can do. It's what true Christianity looks like.
"For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete."
2 Corinthians 10:3-6 ESV
@@anduinsuchan356 it's very presumptuous. You are judging a man's salvation based on a 5 sec edited clip from a Justin Peter's video whom you have never even had a conversation with yourself? Not only is it presumptuous, also very prideful. If you go around critiquing, judging, criticizing every thing and everyone you dont fully agree with and you will find yourself in a deep religious pit void of God's love and power for yourself and others. Be merciful, kind, and loving towards others and God's truth and power will work in you and through you to others . A critical (know it all) spirit will always quench the Holy Spirit. The critical spirit always guises itself as having a love for the truth or fighting for the faith. However, it's rooted in jealousy, envy, bitterness, unforgivness, and ultimately hardness of heart. Lets walk are own salvation out with fear and trembling and get the beam out of our own eye before we try to take the splinter out of our brothers eye.
@@truthseeker6410 do you believe it's God's will that everyone be physically healed in this life?
I went through Charis bible college and I must say that Andrew wommack lives the grace of God.I could answer some of your questions but you already have a predisposition.You may not believe in healing like we do but that doesn't mean that Andrew is a false teacher.I am sure there are things we believe differently and they don't affect our salvation.Many people have been fighting Andrew but in the end,they humble themselves.God has not called us to a ministry of criticism.If Andrew is a false teacher, keep preaching what you know,run your race and at the end of it,we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.Spending time criticising fellow preachers is a ploy of the enemy.
You have a lot to learn.
Who is the accuser of our bretheren here?
And closely evaluating their teachings with the word of God is the preoccupation of the righteous....
Andrew Wommack is an excellent Bible teacher! One of the best.
Around 2007 I’m at Charis bible college. I run across some videos from Justin. I got so mad I go online, find the number on Justin’s website. He answered! For the next however long I argued (So arrogantly) with Justin. He patiently talked with me. Although nothing changed that day, I eventually came out of the charismatic church, started seminary, and ended up on staff a really theologically sound church.
Praise the Lord, Garrett!!
@@JustinPetersMin Please rebuke
Mike Rutkowski.....he is a false teacher and is leading people to hell.
You posed this question.
Justin Peters Ministries
5 days ago (edited)
Hi Mike - tell me why I have had cerebral palsy since birth and why I still have it. I'll be waiting for your response.
I argued with him back and forth for the better part of the day today, rebuking him left and right, in the comment section of Michael Hesiers (youtube channel Bible Nerds) newest video concerning "Can a Christian lose the Holy Spirit?".
He is coming to these channels to try an snare followers into this twisted ridiculous cult he belongs to.
He is the kind of person who screamed "WITCH" and burned other Christians at he stake for not agreeing with his theology for centuries.
Or having something they have no control over in their life like your CP or my spinal damage being indicative of "being of the devil".
He shows loathing and contempt to anyone that doesnt agree with his insane doctrine......which is absolutely not, "loving your enemies and praying for those who persecute you."
There are gullible people in that comment section that see you have not responded and will take that as "him being right."
Teaching we "become perfect" is a doctrine straight from hell.
Noone could do it, thats why Yeshua/Jesus had to descend, to do what none of us ever could.
Its absolutely disgusting that he is teaching that anyone who is not "totally healthy" is of the devil.
So many believe in the 3 Sola's fide/grata/and scriptura, but always seem to forget the 4th, which is TOTA scripture.
Its gross how people will quote scripture that supports their view, but ignore scripture that contradicts their views.
Scripture is not flawed, if someone has a view that seems to coincide with some scriptures, but contradicts others.....its not scripture that has the flaw, its their dogma.
I would have posted this in a more private setting, but I didn't see a discussion area on your homepage and figured a request in your most recent video would be the best chance I had of contact.
Yeshua/Jesus be with you.
Shalom.
Praise God thankyou JP
Garett, I encourage you to review my brief interaction with Justin below and to also keep an open mind: what if the truth wasn't as cut and dried as either Andrew Wommack or Justin et al would like you to think it is? In what follows, I address Justin's defense, which frankly, isn't much of one: "But moving on, Acts 14:8-10 speaks of Paul healing a cripple in Lystra. The Scripture states; "Paul, observing him intently and seeing that he had faith to be healed..." This implies that some do not have faith to be healed. Was Paul putting an unimaginably cruel burden on the man? Likewise, when Jesus went to His hometown, but could do not great miracles there because of their lack of faith in Him, was he burdening them with faith or did He take it as a given that they ought to have had faith? Secondly, your reasoning falls short; does not Scripture also speak of the disciples not being able to heal the boy suffering from seizures? Did Jesus there not put the onus on the disciples (the healers, not the one seeking healing) themselves? "O faithless and perverse generation" and "because of your (the disciples] unbelief" Jesus said to them when they could not heal the boy. Was He putting a cruel burden on them as well? When you reply, please answer these questions. Look, God never promised us this road would be easy, but it is our role as believers to have the integrity to seek God (not in the form of American Christianity) but with purity of practice, prayer and repentance. Until these things truly take place, which they might never be now that the great apostasy is upon us, we should not be disappointed at the lack of more genuine healing around us. Speaking of integrity, this brings me to MacArthur:
No, God did not bless MacArthur, MacArthur blessed himself, thereby breaking God's command. Deut 17:17 states that the Israelites were to appoint a king who was to abide by this rule: "nor shall he greatly multiple silver and gold for himself" If it were to be true of a king, how much more then of a servant! The Lord said Justin, that you cannot serve God and Mammon. What part of that is unclear to you? MacArthur amassed gold and silver for himself, whether it be from book sales or donations matters not, to the tune of $130 mln in assets, $12.8 mln from ministry and donor funds, and he owns not 1, not 2, but 3 luxury homes worth millions. If he were a true disciple, he would have given his money to the needy and the church and lived on a modest amount. Can anyone picture Peter or Paul or James living in 3 luxury homes in Rome? So I will challenge you publicly, are you willing to repent of your coddling of JM and Phil Johnson and call them out for their greed?
Can you give us a quick summary of your Charis experience? What was good, if anything and what was bad?
I spoke with Justin on the phone about 7 years ago and he help me walk away from a false church called Celebration in Jacksonville Fla. God bless Justin !!
My brother attended that church, he was a student at Charis Bible College located in Jacksonville. I attended the Shine Conference 3 years in a row at that church. Praise God he got you out of there.
@@disproveofthis JWs are a cult that have chopped the bible to pieces
I think its better we check the very foundations of christianity that breed this false teachers and amend from there cos it seems one after another is a false teacher,and the list gets bigger each day.
Most of the founders of many churches are/were high ranking Freemasons or Jesuits.
Justin is doing a good job..
Attended for 15 years and had cognitive discinense the entire time!
Many started out as genuine christians but the love of money happened and good bye annointing.
I am sorry, but God does still heal today as he did 2000 years ago.
I know many people who follow Andrew Womack’s teaching. And these people all love Christ, truly. Womack does not exalt anything above the Lord. I see no deception in the mans teaching, By that I mean the intention to deceive, I see a man who believes what he says. Is his teaching incorrect? Maybe so.
As for this young man, I don’t think that he just wanted to be stubborn, that he didn’t want to listen I think he is young and wants to know more about God and has begun a path to learn and on this path he is met by a strange older gentleman he now must discern to be friend or foe. So when you come to him to shake him, he as an immature Christian does not know what to do or say and has no means to defend his position because he knows little.
I just pray that his faith has not been shaken and only is understanding of theology.
Why are you challenging students who are not versed in the Word ? Why not challenge Andrew in person? I think you are afraid to do that.
He has actually already done that (if not literally in person, then certainly via the Internet with direct challenges). Justin has been doing such things with these teachers for years.
@@TheDoctor394 The Answered Prayer
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you [c]ask anything in My name, I will do it.
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever- 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Does Justin ever preach about Jesus? Because all I ever see of his is coming against someone else’s ministry.
To be fair I don’t agree with everything Andrew says and certainly don’t agree with almost every other mainstream minister but it seems like Peter’s runs around slamming everyone else and never ministers himself.
Also, just because he isn’t healed, and sadly so, doesn’t mean that the heart of our Father is not that all would be made well.
Psalm 103:3 - “Who forgives ALL your iniquities, who heals ALL your diseases.”
@@disproveofthis exactly
amen
Ya against the ministry of Satan of Andrew wommack.
I seen a video you made from 2013 where you say that God does not speak to you. Well, many years ago my mom was sitting in her car and heard a voice that she thought was God that said "Don't worry about Jerry, I am going to take care of him" shortly after that, my Dad Jerry was saved and a few months later they found out he had liver failure and was going to die. His insurance was wrong they needed $30,000.00 to start the transplant process.. etc. BUT through faith over 20 years later my dad is fine. He got a liver and he is alive and well. So if that was not God then who was it?
Thank you so much for this. I went to a Word of Faith church in Lonetree Colorado. Thanks to ppl like you, I'm learning truth.
I pray you stick to Justin and others like him. Ask God always for discernment and wisdom . God bless you.
Maybe you'd agree it looks like a new religion isstarting with peopes thought ad beleifs and whats happening in the church. It looks like how mormonism started, nd Islam. It looks like a new religion might start.
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@@disproveofthis WOF is heresy. You are not a Christian if you are in the movement, sorry
@@bradenglass4753 You forget that a lot of these people are saved before coming to WOF Churches. That means they are still saved when they are IN the WOF Church. (Unless you believe that you can lose your salvation!) And I am not bragging on the WOF Church by any means!!
What is wrong with confessing God's promises over your life, health, family, marriage, etc?
@Old Bristolian AWMI ministry and Word of Faith ministries teaches that you should confess God's promises daily....and you will see his promises come true in your life. What's so wrong about that teaching?
@@anthonywilliams3822 Where in the Bible is that promise made?
i don't believe that you are wrong in your prayer blessings.....but just remember that if GOD has not planned for changes in one's life ( such as getting out of a wheelchair and walking ) it will not happen ....you can pray until the hounds come home ... we must accept that GOD has planned it this way and i personally don't like it but i accept it....keep praying your blessing ....maybe your prayers will change things...
oooh that's just crazy talk...why cant you just believe Gods promises aren't for you and invent a theology to back it like a good cessationist...
remember if it's old testament it's not a promise for you...that it's only to Israel
if the promise is New Testsment it was only for the early church
see reformed/cessationist theology made simple
@@thegrigs777 adam who are you referring to with the crazy talk?
I may have said before but when I was caught up in all this rubbish I despised and hated people like you and Chris Roseborough, and Steve Kozar, etc. It is thanks to the constant rumblings of doubt and biblical inconsistentcies in my inner man by the Holy Spirit that I eventually saw the light, as they say, repented, and got back on the narrow road. So thank you Justin -- from a once old and vociferous enemy. :)
Oh wow - praise the Lord, Barrie! What an encouragement this is to read. Thank you for sharing. Blessings to you, brother! :)
@Barrie Kibble Great post, brother.
You still have a ways to go...
Praise God!!!!! Glory!
It is hard to face the possibility that your theological understanding is built on a faulty foundation, anger and emptiness are devastating but God meets you at that place and has people who will instruct us in how to rebuild our lives by rightly dividing the Word of Truth. I rejoice with you for your freedom in Christ. There are many who have come out of this deception you’re not alone.
For the sake of argument-- a quick look at Wommack's teaching on his website shows him to be not your typical WoF in sheep's clothing, but a pretty biblically grounded brother. He may attract a hungry for miracles crowd and some impatient sheep, but is he a false shepherd? Let's be fair.
I especially like his "automatic" version of WOF. Far more in line with the Word. "Whether we are asleep or awake, we know not how..."
Eagerly awaiting replies.
Yes, he is a false teacher. He has had Todd White preach at Charis many times. Todd White is an obvious fraud and charlatan.
@@JustinPetersMin Yeah, I'm pretty sure Todd White ISN'T a fraud. He's weird looking, but says nothing particularly heretical. Remnant Radio had him on and he spoke straight orthodox Christianity. He's Pentecostal. How about Daniel Kolenda? Is he a fraud too? Are all supernatural things A PRIORI fraudulent?
Now, EVEN IF Todd White was a fraud, you can't condemn Wommack outright. That would be guilt by association. Guilt WITH association is conspiracy. Ok. Let's get our legalities straight.
Look, I'm trying to be supportive. And I understand Cessationism is believed by many. But holding to the gifts of the Spirit isn't itself heretical. Ok? You have to prove something else--an intent to deceive for some purpose, using supernatural promises to make money, something like that.
Brother Justin, please do a Remnant Radio interview to clarify your position. You're doing a good work exposing the false, but let's not uproot the wheat with the tares.
Whoever answered this question, thanks, but you're not making Justin look too good. A little more homework, people of God!
What does Wommack teach that's heretical?
Any replies welcome. Anyone been to Charis as a student, please comment.
@@JustinPetersMin Hi, sorry I forgot to thank you for taking the time to reply. I sincerely appreciate it. I've done some more digging. I would like to put in my vote FOR White and AGAINST Wommack. I think the latter is a greedy and ultimately useless mentor.
Todd White is a trying man. He may kook out thoroughly. That is an apparent temptation of his. But Wommack has been around for ages. You don't start a Bible college on Todd White's salary. I could be wrong.
Let's be open to all who have personal experience of wrongdoing. They're the ones who need a voice here. Victims speak up. We thankfully live in a free country.
@@JustinPetersMin Hi, I would like to apologize to you all for not doing my due diligence looking into Wommack's ministry. I didn't find obvious heresy, but I DID find evident CORRUPTION>
Well Justin there is a lady that was healed of cerebral palsy and she shares her testimony. So let’s know and understand that God can heal people!!
The real gospel?? You are arrogant enough to think that you have all the right interpretations of the Bible? Sad… God can heal. Sickness is in earth because of sin… God can use anything any spirit to get His divine will accomplished.
Andrew Wommack is an idol to his followers and your story confirms it, Justin. They love the false Word of Faith “gospel” and reject the Word of God. Period. When Wommack followers comment on my channel they make the same kind of irrational, unbiblical, and brain-dead comments. How can a true Christian willingly and deliberately ignore the very Word of God? Andrew Wommack is the worst. Mark and avoid!
Indeed, Steven. He comes across as down-home, folksy, and an "aw-shucks" kind of persona, but he is very arrogant and has some of the worst theology of any of them. Blessings to you brother!
@@JustinPetersMin Blessings to you, too!! Keep up the good work!
Justin, thank you. I have had the same experience over and over. Steven,……..my wife has been “binge” watching your “hit the bar” episodes and they bless her very much. She was raised more in this type of theology. You both are a blessing to me as I have watched you for several years. I was literally kicked out of church….that I was an elder of which was non-denominational …..originally “Community Bible Church”, now Life Church. It had a season of going more biblical while I attended as a younger adult, but had mudded waters with doctrines. They hid it well being many were shallow in knowledge. The youth pastor who became senior pastor attended Rhema which initially didn’t really mean anything to me because that was before my time and I was not even aware of “word of faith” growing up. I grew up more reformed/evangelical free, parents very godly, and faithful students of the Word! (Top of the list of most Godly people I know!). As I continued to elevate sound doctrine over traditions and experiences, I was told by the rest of the elders “we will not talk about doctrine.” The praise report of this is that although I had seen this coming for a few years before it was over, I have had the opportunity to share the Gospel with most in the church and see some have a great hunger and astounding maturity as they truly fear God and love His Word. I realize this is lengthy, but when I saw a comment with both of you on it, I did want to say Hi……and thank you. You are making an important impact for the Kingdom of God!
@@danjohnson8075 Thank you so much for your kind words. I'm honored to know that I've been of help to you, more than I can say. Keep fighting for the faith and holding steadfast to the Word!
@@gerhard3607 all out of context. You are deceived too.
Heard AW once on podcast.
He has my respect.
Watch this, well worth your time.
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Why respect someone who lies and manipulates?
I use to be critical of Andrew when I saw him in a documentary, but honestly I knew nothing about him. I was just being critical. Then I actually started to listen to his teachings and Bible studies and wow they have been such a blessing. But he’s just a regular person, he’s not God, he’s not a cult, he’s not even a preacher, just a teacher. He’s not my only teacher or greatest teacher, just a teacher. But his teachings have blessed me and encouraged me to get more into the word. 🙏🏼 nobody has perfect theology, but we can learn from each other.
Yes and I see it as the body of Christ revealing truth that has been hidden for so long . I have many testimonies of healing since learning Gods heart
You are not as ignorant as most here - you are doing your homework.... Good job.
@@dcampean Thank you, as an update, I now am a student a Charis Bible College. I am loving it here, sorry this guy who made the video didn’t have the best experience, but if you go looking for problems you’ll find them!
That's how God blessed Andrew. He is a man of God!
Instead of talking to ones who are learning, why don’t you talk to Andrew Wommack. He isn’t a false teacher and has helped millions.
Andrew is a man of God, this guy I believe doing more harm to the body of christ as a whole than helping it..
Isn't there a scripture about how God doesn't like it when people cause discord among the brethren.
Thank you jesus for andrew wommack Great man of God
Me too brother. I am from Scotland and have listened to Andrew for 20 off years. He is a wonderfully anointed bible teacher; humble and as I say, anointed. Why is there so much demonic opposition against men like Andrew who 'do' glorify the Lord Jesus? Blessings!
Hey, Justin you don't want to mention Mike's name,for privacy reasons then why you're showing the video of him sitting?
I cant tell who he is from that photo.
My sister won't listen to me. She idolizes him. It has drove a wedge between us😪. I pray as God delivered me from this garbage, He will her too. We always thought it was so great God saved us both. Our parents are not saved. My mom is hard hearted and my dad was raised SDA 🤦♀️. And although he don't practice his religion, he is as judgmental as they come 😢...thanks for all you do . Love your videos.
John 12:40 is just so prominent in these cases. Its heartwrenching to watch our loved ones being deceived!
We dont want them to be decieved but we have 2 let them choose what they want. Mend the wedge. Agree to disagree and ask God to open your sisters heart and eyes. Trust me my mom believe n word of faith/prosperity gospel and she dont listen to me also. She loves joyce Meyers
HI Michele. Jesus foretold about this exact thing in Matthew 10:35 and Luke 12:53. Find peace in the fact that the Word is seen to be true in your life. We must never stop praying and ministering to our family. My parents and siblings believe they are saved as well but are stuck in the Charismatic Movement and are deceived by those teachings. But God is faithful and I trust that He’s Word will do what it was sent to do (Isaiah 55:10-11)
@@cynthiasutton1538 amen!
I made it out of the Charismatic movement. I was all-in, for many, many years. My dad was a devout Atheist, or Agnostic, very stubborn, and hard-nosed, tough, cowboy-type, but came to Christ, and couldn't stop witnessing, and telling others about it. The type that anyone would have said, he's a lost case... he'll never get saved.
My point is that God is still in the miracle business, and the prayers for your sister are heard, loud and clear in the Heavenlies...
God Bless. I'm saved, Spirit filled, and have been healed. Jesus is the same today, yesterday & tomorrow. When you cast stones at ministries I don't think you're serving His will. Again, I hope you find the truth, keep seeking for He will reveal it to you!
It's our duty to call out false doctrines and false teachers. If you're not casting stones at abhorrent ministries, then you're not being a faithful servant of Christ per 1 Timothy.
That's the whole point. These 'ministries' are masquerading as truth. They are not biblical, not godly, and are leading countless scores of well-meaning people away from Christ.
I just had a family member visit me who just graduated from Charis College. They spoke at the pulpit that Justin was in front of. I said God sent a thorn in the flesh to Paul. This person simply said, "I do not believe that".
2 this 2:9 because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion.
With all my heart I pray for my family who believe they are saved yet can not see the truth. Our hope is in the Lord.
Same here brother. Will pray for your family as well. I used to think I was the only one who had family who aren't saved/behave as unregenerate but are convinced they are, but I meet more believers who are in the same situation.
@Mike Rutkowski God bless you Mike. I have to agree that one of us is very delusional. Have a great day. bro. John
@Mike Rutkowski you need to take a course in hermeneutics and quit taking scriptures out of context. I will pray for your eyes to be open to truth.
That scripture says it as a messenger of Satan to buffet him. If you look at thorn in the old testement it mentioned a person usually some kind of persecution bc if you look at Paul’s life it wa full of that . Also I learned that where it says exhailted , there is also a godly exaltation. Jesus only did what his father told him to do and he said if you saw him you saw the father . Jesus never put sickness or allow it on anyone to teach them anything . He also said we would do the same works he did bc of the Holy Spirit . Also Paul didn’t get told no , he got told that Gods grace was sufficient for him and made perfect in weakness . When we understand grace more we get revelation of what he was saying . Also we were promised persecution. Gods plan has always been life . In him there is no darkness only light. I have gone back and forth with this and from what I see healing isn’t something he can do it’s part of his nature it’s who he is . When he healed it was out of love and compassion. Also many times people did something out of faith of their hearts . We are collaborating with God and his workmanship. Also look up the word salvation in Greek and do a deep study :) we are in a new covenant and it’s beautiful Jesus died for our sins and salvation in every area . It’s not the will of the father for anyone to perish but sadly they do without knowing him. Also since finding out Gods true nature and how deeply he loves his children I have spoke the word in faith and trust in my God and have seen many healings including my son raised twice in womb and near drowning . My marriage saved , my mother healed , my husband , many fevers gone that could have been bad , my life saved twice and many more . Gods word is power and life. I just wanted to share what I have learned and. Testimony ! Blessings to you.
The thorn was people.
Personally I would say that Andrew Wommack does have a lots of teaching that His been helpful to me.He has also said some things I dont agree with. You should separate the meat from the bones with any ministry, even this minstry....I would not form a theology on one verse, or my own experience but the full truth of Gods Word.....
Our time would be better spent praying and seeking God's heart..and aligning our will with His.
God is more concerned about lost souls than distractions the enemy sets like this, and politics to name a few.
If we are concerned about our brothers and sisters who attend a Church different then pray that God will allow you to befriend them and love them with the Love of Jesus....He is faithful.
I am 64 years old and have been a Christian 50 of those years.When I was younger I thought that God needed me to defend Him , mostly to people who were calling themselves Christians. I though was doing God's will I really was trying to defend God and His word..Never really worked..eventually God helped me to really see just how big He was and He is Big . He Just wanted me to be a bridge. To let me allow Him to love them to the Truth. I felt His love for them and it changed me forever. God is Love His Love is Holy and unconditional at the same time. I pray everyone would come to know His Love.
Amen Justin.. we appreciate you dear bro.. !! 🙏📚 😇
I appreciate y'all too!!
My most memorable moment from that church was the pastor having everyone in the congregation repeating after him, " God bless my bank account "
@@jennyvthomas4913 What he 'did' to him? He preached the Word and the Gospel. Sorry you are blind you can't see Word of Faith is heresy. Stop deceiving yourself and having your ears scratched.
@@jennyvthomas4913 well actually Andrew charges $1000. To take one of his 6 week bible studies.
@@JustinPetersMin I wish I had your gift of teaching because my wife is just like that young man you talked to but I am not able to get to her so I stay quiet or else I start yelling and getting really upset
That was the mercy and the grace of God on display for ‘Mike’. ‘Not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.’(2 Peter 3:9 Nasb)
That's why it's really important to not use demonic translations of the Bible. What Paul spoke of in Galatians 4:13&14 is the same thing he spoke to Jesus about, which is the persecution he always had to face, which Jesus spoke of in Acts 9..what great things he will suffer for me...Paul was obviously beaten or wounded here, not sick, Christ paid for sickness in full, the fact that you believe God makes people sick or deformed means you don't know God. Not the God Jesus told us to call our Father. Luke 11:2...if you are evil and conceited and you know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more God.
Please walk out of this dead religion you are walking in, God loves you, I love you too, even though I'm angry at your immaturity. Properly divide the Word of truth!!!
I'm all for results!! how many lives have you changed going around preaching against the Gospel
Justin next time you have the opportunity to go to Andrew Wommacks church, why dont you pluck up enough courage to ask to speak to him personally? That way you will get all the answers to your questions out of the horse's mouth. After Andrew has explained why he thinks what he thinks and says what he says, and write the books he writes, perhaps you will be persuaded to accept The True Lord Jesus! Dont chat to people who just work there. Be a man Justin! A real man!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent work as always, brother. It is so sad when individuals have become so deceived by a cultic ideology that even the very words of Sacred Scripture right in front of their very eyes can not cause them to see the light. Be well, dear one. May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you always and may your ministry continue to grow. I will definitely pray for Mike.
Allen! I watch your videos also..👍 Thank you for what you do too.
@@Locomedic1 You’re very welcome, Andy and thanks back!
I love Andrew Wommacks teachings you limit God in your thinking !
God heals…not prideful men!
@@tonymedina6493Wow. I am amazed at how few do not study for themselves.
Have belonged to God for over 40 years.
Andrew Wommack is an excellent Bible teacher.
God has used Andrew's ministry to lead me to deliverance and healing.
I know that you sincerely believe this but I doubt its accurate. Only truth sets us free and Andrew is a false teacher. If you indeed received true deliverance and healing, this was solely by God's grace despite Andrew's ministry and not because of it. You harm the Body of Christ by promoting a known false teacher as being beneficial. Correlation is not causation. ❣
@@designerwendie8811 I'm sure you "doubt" it's accurate.
I do not agree with you. In all your teachings you talk about other children of God. I never heard one of them talk about you. Your actions reflect in your followers comments. I dont see the love of God here.
Peter , May be you should join Charis Bible College …
Try it out u might get healed from a hardened heart
I graduated from Charis in 2019, brilliant bible teaching, gave me a love for Jesus and a wonderful knowledge of the Word.
That's what you say...
Wow congratulations Mark. Can you share what the two main themes of the Bible are? Since you have this degree from Charis it would be nice to learn what the two main themes are. In other words what does the Bible tell us that is important? I look forward to hearing back. All the best to you.
Hey, I've known a little Andrew Wommack teaching from way back, so I'm following this IDK "controversy" with much interest. I was schooled in Pentecost-word of Faith myself, and I've read a fair bit of Reformed teaching, so I can see this from both sides. I'm VERY interested to know about your experience. Any thing you can tell me. How much time, how much does it cost. Who are the teachers. Is it non-degree. Financial aid. What's Andrew like in person? Why is he controversial at all? What's your opinion? He seems super nice. Whatever you feel comfortable letting me/us know.
Interesting how the followers of Justin peters are so combative and prideful with fellow brothers and sisters of Christ. So sad
@@SweetE1403 Well, I noticed no one bothered to pray for our disabled brother up there in Colorado. Maybe the air's too thin, and they get overly spiritual.
The only thing I regret about this video is it’s only 17 minutes and not longer 😫
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@@disproveofthis how many times have copied this?
I graduated from Charis last year. They teach sound doctrine and spiritual authority. I wish everyone would attend Charis.
Offers no scholarships, is unaccredited and charges $5,700 a year. And you are a fake shill. How holy.
What's the difference between a person who gives God the Glory vs someone who you think is false.
Galatians chapter 3. There is only one thing we are not redeemed from.
Persecution. Grace. Dude Grace. If he trusts in Jesus Christ as our savior. Then really what's the Problem.
I learned John chapter 10:10 from him. So don't even. Cause Christianity is not about who is right or wrong. Christianity is about God and what He did for us. Through His Son Jesus Christ.
Why would a man of God want to haunt this young man! Would rather go with Andrew any day!!
I still know so many that are in that movement and the NAR, even family members. I've tried over the years to share with them the deception of it all but they just don't want to hear. They just shut down the conversation. It's so sad, but like me it's only the Lord that opens my eyes. I'm so thankful He did it for me, I just want it so desperately for them to be out of deception as well.
Thankfully have known the Lord for over 40 years. Andrew Wommack is an excellent Bible teacher.
Wow. I'm so sorry Justin for "Mike". But I know you planted a seed, let's pray it comes to fruition. I thank you for your work sir, I can't wait to meet you in the air soon. Again, I pray for you as well sir. Lastly where's your kitty 🐈? Also you had a great point. I have Mormons read me passages to and ask them what it says. I get some hate, but thankfully I've had 2 this year who definitely were challenged and disturbed (in a good way).... Planting seeds my brother!!!;
Wonderful!! Keep sowing!!
@Mike Rutkowski talk about twisting scripture...
@Mike Rutkowski what a wonderful response. So why do you hate Justin so much? His testimony? His faith? His truth and ministry? All the many things Justin has done for the Kingdom?
@Mike Rutkowski well said. We need more people like you to stand up for the word of God. It makes a lot of sense when you use the scriptures to explain things instead of experiences.
Thanks for sharing the story about Mike. Probably discussing those verses with a man in a chair is something he could not do well. You and those verses are reality. What is coming out of that church is false.
Thank you, Stephen. Blessings to you.
I dont understand the need... I hope he enroled.
The Lord healed me through Andrew Wommack's teachings of an incurable illness I suffered with for 5 years. I give all glory to Jesus but He used Andrew to get that truth to me the way I needed to understand it and ive been free ever since! I absolutely support him and Charis and Ive been a christian and minister of over 20 years, I have discernment and the Holy Spirit.
I found this to be a very helpful video. I’m sure you don’t have the time but I would like to see more examples of how we can talk with these folks one on one. You didn’t blast “Mike” or launch into a rant about all of the WOF heresies, but gently dealt with one topic, showing him in his own Bible.
@@loveisneverasin9092 how rude
Mark 16:17-18
New King James Version
17 And these signs will follow those who [a]believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[b] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
read the whole scripture.
Ephesians 3:14-21
New King James Version
Appreciation of the Mystery
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father [a]of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height- 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
@@disproveofthis Exactly. He was using a pre-student to represent Charis. He used Mike to promote his agenda. This is so ethical.
This is classic rejection, this happens almost everytime we witness or tell someone the truth of the Gospel it will be no debate truth yet they will deny it everytime it's a sick sad thing, Justin your story is not a bit surprising. People dont care what the bible says even "Christians"
@@gerhard3607 your a troll doing satan's work looking for a reaction this will be the only 1 u get.
That Galations scripture you read must have been out of a new translation. Mine (KJV) doesn't say anything about "bodily illness". Once again man putting Paul on a pedestal when he himself said Appolos, Peter or i. so Paul never looked to be placed way up there. If you go on and read KJV, he says; if it were possible you would have plucked your eyes out. So after Je'sus talked about even looking upon a woman, with lust in your eyes He said "if thy eye offend thee pluck it out." Now here's Paul in a city where woman were worshiped , prostitutes were rampant across the city, i'd have to say Paul like Elisha was a man of like passions. That's why he wrote that. It was his thorn in his flesh. It also would explain away the fact that my God only does things half way, like when he healed Pauls eyes. I don't believe that every man can be healed, however i do believe that when God heals some one they're 100% healed. That's like trying to tell me that i'm justified by my faith in Christ (Gal. 2:16) when the exact translation is His faith. My faith didn't take my Messiah to the cross, His did.
Brother, you're all over the place. Slow down, organize your thoughts. Go to the Greek. Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was prostitutes. Ok. That's a new one. At least your thinking is original.
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@@michaelevanson2272 Hi brother Michael. I'm reading E. W. Bullinger, esteemed Bible scholar of a previous century, and he claims the only reasonable explanation for Paul's "thorn" is the literal one, no, not that it WAS A THORN, as that was a figure of speech is his day as in ours, but the words which follow, "angel of Satan," (literally in the Greek, "the messenger of Satan" I believe in the KJV and others). Bullinger notes there's no definite article for "anngelos" (angel or messenger) and Satan is genitive, belonging to, of, not FROM>
thoughts?
Your message is rambling and chaotic. If believing Paul was addicted to prostitution helps justify your worship of a bible translation authorized by a homosexual Catholic, then keep reading your KJV and projecting your sins on Paul.
@@carlosreira413 Just found your message today. Sorry. I was just stating a reasonable explanation for Pauls thorn. You have to put yourself in his shoes. They worshipped dianna a sex god. Prostitution was rampant. So you had half naked women running around. Like i live by a lake and the woman show up at the beach with thongs, little ? to cover there top. I'm single. So i don't go to the beach.
Justin,I listen to you,and I have a question..What do you say about Jesus's Great Comission for us to..heal the sick,etc and for us to have power to do what Jesus,and the apostles etc did? Peace Brother,and thank you
Andrew Wommack is an excellent Bible teacher.
Unfortunately, you got this one wrong.
My family and I have been blessed by AW ministries. I would love to attend Charis Bible College ❣️
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God told me to open my home for a Bible Study and I did. The people came and brought a Wommack study. It blessed me so much! God is good.
Andrew Wommack is such an awesome solid teacher. I have grown so much in the Lord and seen a lot of transformation in my life and my family ever since I started listening to Andrew Wommack. His ministry is full of life.
I agree. I also have grown so much in the Lord thru Andrew Wommack's ministry.
Amen. I love Andrew Wommack's teaching. He has helped me understand spiritual authority.
Amen
Andrew Wommack is clearly a false teacher and in it for the money
Thank you for continuing to engage with those in word of faith, etc churches. I was in a word of faith/prosperity gospel church when I started attending one with a Bible Study that uses an inductive method.
These Word of Faith pastors who talk about the love of God, actually water down his love to the point that it is nowhere near how much he loves us. Our Father loves us SO much that he would save us from our utter depravity. That, is love.
Thank you again, you have taught me so much.
Justin Peters, do you believe that Mark 16: 17-18 is the inspired Word of God? Do these signs follow you? If not, why? Didn't Christ say that these signs WILL FOLLOW those that believe in Him and are baptised in His name? So are you truly born of God? Is your calling to find fault with the brethren in Christ? Do the Scripture admonish by saying, 'Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.'
Why don't you do the work of preaching and teaching God's word instead? You might find grace to pull out some from the fiery furnace, instead of becoming a stumbling block to somebody or derailing somebody from faith. Remember, the just shall live by faith. And it is by faith that one overcomes the world. So don't kick against the goads, you will get hurt. Pray you receive wisdom and grace to walk in truth and holiness.
Healed miraculously or not, in death or good health through out my life, I will serve the lord. Salvation belongs to our God.
I have been immensely blessed by truths from word of God, and I thank Andrew wommack ministries for that. It's been over 20years listening to Andrews teaching on God's word. I live in a different country ,has never met Andrew and I don't idolize Andrew.
I also wish blessings to Pastor Jestin. Best wishes.
Wommack is a false teacher
Thank you Justin. Greetings from the UK. As always, very helpful. Let us know if you ever come to the UK...
Mark 16:17-18
New King James Version
17 And these signs will follow those who [a]believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[b] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.
I don't know a nice way to say this, but Justin Peters should not have made fun of that kid who couldn't find Galatians. That kid could have been a new believer. When I was a baby Christian I couldn't even find Genesis!
@@caroleimani9754 Agreed. Big, ol' bible preacher picking on a young'un.
I'm not sure many people are aware of this, but the first year students in Charis Bible College are expected to commit to reading through the Bible their first year. I have heard it explained that too many graduates of bible colleges, even our seminaries, never even had to read through the Bible at all. Maybe Mike came out of a church pastored by one of those seminarians. Maybe Mr. Peters should be looking to seminaries and pastors, instead of young sheep. I mean, I guess he makes himself a judge, he should be in the ring with people of his weight division, right?
Frankly, I have as much issue with Mr. Peters trying to force an entire theology off of two verses, possibly (in my opinion) taken out of context, than with one person unable to deal with that type of presentation in real time, out of the clear blue. A very poor example to show "just what word-faith people are like."
Gods heals ppl all day long. If God healed you of something raise your hand! 🙌
I do not know much about AWM and I respect Justin very much. But I've been healed 4x by Jesus Christ!!! :)
halelujah
Yes my son was raised twice . I was healed of miscarriages and I almost died twice in child birth but God delivered us , my children are emotionally being healed every day , my mom was healed from a Lund disease , I was healed from adhd , my son was healed from toxic metals , my marriage is healed . My husband was delivered from the enemy . I was healed from a digestive issue I had for 14 years . Some were instant some took time but all encded in healing and wonderful testimonies of Gods glory and power :) listening to the Holy Spirit is huge in the healing process
I don't understand your complaint against the campus just because there were some books in a library? You spoke of your conversation with Mike most of the time and nothing else about the campus.
What a ruse. Justin Peters - you are quite the item. I don't believe in word-faith either but I would not be doing what you are doing, going into someone's else's house(so to say) and make all kinds of accusations. Your interaction with "mike" is wholly unhygienic to say the least. First off, "mike" does not represent Andrew. He is just a visitor there, just like you. You did not know what his background or belief system is, but just assumed he wholeheartedly believed in the prosperity gospel. He was reading 1 kings. You spring him Ex 4:11, Gal 4:13-14. Sorry, but no one buys it, least of all me. Mike was probably wondering what you are saying with those scriptures, and is there any relation with 1 kings. Obviously, there was not. You did not establish the reason for your interaction, neither did you make any attempt to get his viewpoint of where he was coming from, regarding word-faith. Mike not reading the scriptures out loud does not mean he is physically dumb, neither him staring at his bible means he didn't read it. He possibly read it, wondering why a bearded stranger in a scooter on a carpeted floor just randomly accosted me and spoke about 'mute, deaf or blind.' Seriously, he would have wondered if you were smiting him with these. No Justin, clearly you are out of your depth. You seem sincere, but you say it was 'revealing'? Random person in the lobby gave revelation about what?..That you are doing right according to God, springing up on people's private time. I am disappointed that you being far more educated than him - could not say a single encouraging word to the young man, and more so, no good word about another fellow preacher.
You possibly walked away steaming jealous of the campus(Yes I am very familiar with it), you obviously having not a iota of it. You sir, are a sad, sad man. May God catch up to you, when you least expect just like you did "mike" and teach you a lesson you won't forget. To see that Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary puts out a turd like you is unreal. Get a life.
There's also Jacob who was left with a limp after wrestling with the angel, but with it received a great blessing.
@@gerhard3607 hi there, I saw you comment a few times. I’m not sure what you want to accomplish, so forgive me if I’m misunderstanding your goals. But I want to yes, Jesus did pay for our healing - but we’re bot guaranteed it this side of Heaven. God’s church will receive that blessing in full when Christ comes and brings about the new heavens/earth. But our primary concern is our sins against a holy God. We have rebelled against God and are deserving of His just wrath - but God in love has sent His Son to live the perfect life under the Law that we could not live; Jesus died in the cross to satisfy the wrath of God on our behalf to atone for our sins. On the third day, Jesus was risen for our justification according to the Scriptures. All who repent of their sins and place their faith solely on Christ will receive forgiveness for their sins and be born again.
Hi Justin. Listening to this, it makes me realize that I once was where "Mike" is now. And about 2 years ago, the peels fell of my eyes. I still don't know the bible as you guys know it, but I'm so hungry for God. Your preaching has motivated me to do the same thing on South Africa. I'm so great full to God for folks like you, John Macarthur, Paul Washer etc.
Where are you staying in South Africa? Are you part of a Biblical church?
That would be great Jannie. It's needed so I'll definitely be on the lookout for that!
@@kentwyngaard8803 I in KZN
@@jannielabuschagne9823 ooh okay. I thought you might be in the Cape Town area. I think starting something like this in SA is a much needed ministry. I will keep you in prayer for starting out. That it will come to fruition
@@kentwyngaard8803 That would also be great
✝️❤🙏 God bless you Brother.
Hi Justin,
Don't you find it a bit odd that you used Paul as an example of not being healed and living with a sickness, and yet people were healed just by touching his handkerchief?
Justin blatantly lies here. Charis has a bookstore, but they don’t carry the authors he mentioned. At the 4:50 mark he says that they carried EW Kenyon, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, Kenneth Copeland and Joseph Prince. I visited Charis that same month (Oct 2019) and a handful of times before and since, and they have never carried those authors. Not that they necessarily wouldn’t, but why is Mr. Peter’s exaggerating this point? Maybe he assumed they were selling those authors, but never really looked? It makes the rest of what he says come into question. Can his statements be trusted?
You gave this young man 2 Scriptures that God doesn't always heal.
Exodus 4.11 is a weak verse to convince people of that for it appears to be about speech.
Gal 4.13 does say he had an ailment but people will argue that it could have been temporary like a flu or broken leg.
You said there were more verses that point to the same conclusion . Can you please list them. Tks so much.
1 Timothy 5:23
@@believersdimension6562 again... that is about something of daily life that every single person will incur once in a while. This is stomach upset or gas or heartburn. This is not talking an issue requiring healing.
Good evening Justin saying hello from Michigan ❤️
This was encouraging. I know people who follow false teaching and when I challenge them (biblically), I either get silence or very defensive responses. To be honest, it's actually heartbreaking.
Challenge me.
Your religious, negative, devisive spirit is heartbreaking. You exemplify hypocrisy at its best. What you are doing is wrong and unbiblical. You hand pick verses, even out of context, to make a point you want to make. There are many verses contrary to your point but it is obvious you are not interested in truth. This is nothing short of being a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Regarding "Mike".... do you know anything about him? Could he have been a new Christian, or even saved from a life of drugs or abuse. Who are you to say God did not send Him there to go to school. You, who have apparently studied the Bible and still take it out of context, condemn a young man you know nothing about. Do you feel more spiritual because you found what you think to be fault in this young man. Your messages are repulsive and heartbreaking. May God open your eyes, mind and heart to His love and His truth. I grew up in SB and Bible churches my whole life. When I heard Andrew's teaching in 2019, my life was changed forever. And yes, I went to Charis. I'm not an ignorant, uneducated person and you might paint people. Andrew has such a heart for the Lord. He is genuine, Godly and generous. You deserve to be sued for your slander but that is not Andrew's character. He stays focused in hearing God, not getting derailed by hate speech. So much of what you are saying about Andrew is being misinterpreted just like you are doing with God's word. You are missing the heart and context of both. I am grateful for teaching that taught me the true nature of God and who I am in Christ. I love God now in ways I never thought possible. No, we do not see ourselves as "little gods" as you state in another msg. We understand it is the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. We didn't get a fraction of Holy Spirit, we get all His fullness. It is He who works in and through us, not we ourselves. You seem to come from the religious spirit that has a form of Godliness but lack and deny the power.
I do not consider you a brother in the Lord as you are causing division, spreading false information, passing judgment and valuing your opinion over the word. You are hurting the name of Christ. Only God knows the damage and division you have and will cause. One day, you will give an account of all these videos. May that trouble you at night. I realize you probably think you are justified in such action, but perhaps you need to read the word with you in mind instead of reading it condemn others falsely. Even Saul thought killing Christians was in the name of God. Jesus was merciful to him and he became Paul. May you, as Saul, have a Paul moment. Only God knows what that would require, but I wish it for you.
I recommended my mom stop listening to you. She sent me one of your videos. I told her I'm not interested in wasting my time anymore than I would in listening to Biden, Fauci or Gstes.
I'm just trying to understand your message, Justin, so please bear with me: Does Gal.4:13 (NASB) tell you that physical healing is not God's will? Does the fact that Paul was sick at one point of his life (like all of us have, I imagine) mean that we are meant to accept sickness as part of life on earth? Where do you stand on going to doctors when you are sick? Thank you for your time.
I think my mother has that problem, reading what scripture actually says. Brother Peters you know that you are very near and dear to me. Thank you for all that you do.
You are so kind, Christopher. Thank you so much. Blessings to you :)
@@JustinPetersMin I can’t wait to meet with you sometime either in this life or in eternity. God used you in an amazing way in my life. I think I watched your videos everyday almost all day sometimes in helping me realize that I believed a lot of lies. Thank you so much for all that you do, and I am very grateful to God and to you.
@@JustinPetersMin Justin, I am not a big fan of Andrew Womack . However, when you visited Charis Bible College, instead of asking “Mike” , who knew nothing about scriptures, why didn’t you ask Andrew Womack himself? Were you not on his campus?
@@jayjay-bz3rr It is one of the first things I thought of when he said he approached a stranger who was not even yet enrolled in the bible college. It would be like if I went to someone who was considering attending your church because they had heard good things about it, then I try to dissuade them from doing so (because of what I believe about that church, its doctrines, its works, etc.). Sounds pretty sneaky to me. But if all you can get is low hanging fruit, I guess that is what you do.
Let's see a video where you encounter, oh, I don't know, perhaps one of the instructors in the bible college? A graduate of the school at work in the ministry with some years under their belt?
My late wife was so engaged in battling cancer that she watched Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince faithfully for months seeking answers to her pain and condition. She became caught up in Bethel music. These false teachers are insidious in their approach to those in a weaker state and those who are called to be their caregivers. My wife now waits for me in Heaven, thanks to her early studies with John McArthur. My theology has changed profoundly over the last 7 years since her passing. Keep holding up the banner of truth dear brother!
First I an very very sorry about your loss!!!! But I will say that joseph prince really does teach truth. I listened to him for many years. His teachings are fully based on scripture! Shoot the guy goes in extreme depths into the scriptures! Now bethel teachings are way off of scriptures in many ways! You need to understand that not all word of faith teachings and teachers are in full agreement with the fullness of the scriptures. You are being tossed to and from by several winds of doctrine. And also I don't even like the teem "word of faith"! But yes faith does work by us comming in agreement with what God says in the scriptures. And us putting those things out through our speech. But it's not faith in faith it's faith in Jesus Christ! And guess what? Joseph prince teaches that what I just said! He even says it's not faith in faith! He says it's not even our faith! He says it's the lords faith in us! And that's 100% scriptural! My point is this don't throw the baby out with the bathwater just because Justin peters lumps all word of faith preachers into one group! Yes there are many who do teach error! But not all of them! Joseph prince does not teach error! Read the scriptures and critique the things that pastors say "even Justin peters"! God bless you!
@@partoftheway4235 Joseph Prince absolutely DOES teach error!... and GOD does as HE PLEASES...HE doesn't need us..... Word/ Faith theology is heretical and seeks to demote GOD and promote man!
@@MinLeeMajors Please take something that Joseph prince says and teaches and the scriptures he uses and you break it down into the scriptures and demonstrate to me where he is in error according to the scriptures. Thanks!
@@jennyvthomas4913 are you saying that God cannot put sickness on any people as He pleases?
@@jennyvthomas4913 Because God took away our real sickness: our sins. You can't compare earthly parents/children natural love to the love God has for us. Think how small and insignificant natural illnesses are compared to the destroying effefts of sin.
I have family members in wof and none will listen when I read the Scriptures and say it's my opinion
Same here!
Same with Pentecostals, totally brainwashed.
Same. I grew up in it and it is definitely like a cult in their belief system. They only listen to and read Word of Faith preachers. Kenneth Hagin is elevated to Demi-god status. If there is any question whatsoever of the beliefs, you are shunned. My parents are still trapped in it and I can’t even talk to them about it because they are completely brainwashed.
@@gerhard3607 always and also rebutted in it was not in the Bible or taken out of context, are you assuming something here the way the pharsed your question?
@@gerhard3607 I've been studying the Bible for 41 years
Many believers have Satan fooling them with that love of money thing. Where in the bible does it say Give and he won't give back to you over filled. 30 60 or 100 fold. God wants everyone blessed. If your not in a place where you can give and is against it your listen to the strangers voice a False Elohim. Thank You Andrew Womack for your teaching.
Your request was that to a student (fictional Michael) who had not gone to Bible College yet- the equivalent of asking a preschooler advanced questions. Not fair, sir. Ask a CBC Graduate the same questions for a detailed answer. You are accountable before God for the curse that you spoke over that young man at the end. Jesus' death was for a reason! You and others who look to Jesus for salvation are set free by nothing but the blood of Jesus Christ and the power of His Word. We have more than salvation. Jesus said we would do greater works than He. This includes you as well as us! I hope you will study Acts Chapter 8. Ask why the apostles found it necessary to return to Samaria after Philip had already lead the believers to salvation and baptism. When you can answer that question, you will have gone a long way toward freedom. God bless you.
God bless you, Justin. Good for you for putting the truth before this young man. I pray the wool will be removed from over his eyes.
I was wanting to go that school long time ago
Bro. Justin has Wommack answered your challenge to him to go to a children's hospital and pray for them to be healed yet?
Ray, you got it! There is a hospital right across the street from Charis that has lost no business since Wommack moved here. Nor has the local Funeral Home. So they won't go near the Children's Hospital. Just like no one showed up at the collapsed Condo in Miami!
@@gerhard3607 Tell me of one time when he or any wof hack ever prayed for someone to be healed and they were. Be sure you can document it and present the one who was supposedly healed. Oh that's right, you can't because it didn't happen. It's easy to tell that you are a dupe for those con artists passing themselves off as God's special anointed prophets when all they do is milk sheeple like yourself for funds. You need to open your Bible, provided you own one and read the real prophets. They didn't walk around saying God wants you healed or God wants you rich or God wants you to speak in tongues. No, they warned the lost of what was to come and told them to repent or else they would fall under God's judgment.
@@jeffgwinn5042 Yep. That crowd said they could control the weather yet hurricanes still did millions of damage and took lives. Sadly there are many who have been bewitched by their teaching and support them.
@@raymatthews4319 bewitched is a sad but good description! Thank God for His grace to build His church in His way and His time!
This is so underhanded, to go into another pastors flock, to try to convert others. You need to go to the scriptures and inquire how the church is to do things decently and in order. Also, to say you hope what you had to say to this man you call Mike, will haunt him…is like pronouncing a curse upon him, along with fear and condemnation…Also, you misrepresented yourself at the bookstore when you deceptively didn’t reveal yourself to the girl at the counter. Half truths are lies…and the word says…Rev. 21:6-8 ”and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Jesus said, “beware of the leaven of the Pharisees” and “first take the log out of your own eye, so that you may see clearly to take the sliver out of your brothers eye”…..”love your neighbor as yourself”…🙏for understanding.
So called 'mike' did not have enough bible study. maybe a young christian. Not so kind to take him as an example.Everybody can be healed. God didn't leave me because of my believe in miracles and healings. HE is blessing me every day and more souls come to Jesus and become diciples and do the same.....FRUITS. Justin Peters is putting a lot of energy in talking bad about other people.