Official acts versus private? Justices weigh Trump's presidential immunity claims
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2024
- Former Assistant Manhattan District Attorney Catherine Christian, former prosecutor Charles Coleman and Princeton University professor Eddie Glaude weigh in on what makes an act official versus private following the Supreme Court hearing former President Trump's presidential immunity case.
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#Trump #immunity #scotus
A President could just say murdering a political opponent was in the best interest of the country. Pretty much what Putin does. And we’re having a debate about this? Really?
All I'm saying is if the supreme Court rules that presidents are allowed to do that Biden needs to do us a serious solid.
the world is watching the USA implode, It is no longer viewed as a Global leader scholastically , Trump has helped that view enormously
Forget a "political opponent". What about a justice of the Supreme Court?
Somebody should point out to SCOTUS that corrupt judges who gerrymander the law in ridiculous convoluted partisan interpretations would be in play too!
Public act, Private act, Official act, Criminal act!!! Charles is right. The CRIMINAL element can't be left out of the equation, because that's the heart of the matter here..."Does the President have absolute immunity from Criminal matters/acts?"
I think the USA is completely insane to even entertain this insane idea. Yes, the world is not just laughing - WE ARE DISGUSTED!!!
Y’all should do a We are the World fundraiser for 18 wheeler Brandon
The republican Supreme court judges are the insane ones. A few of them even don't believe this mess to entertain it.
It's was a criminal treasonous act by Trump to grab power illegally.
Aman!!
many of us feel the same way. shambolic situation here. remember: three of the current justices helped deliver the presidency to g.w. bush when they acted as his lawyers. they've been anti-democratic for years and years. they staked their careers on these dubious opinions and legal maneuvers.
You have to love that they have to discuss what is blatantly obvious to everyone else EXCEPT the "justice" system.
It's was a criminal treasonous act by Trump to grab power illegally.
Well, Trump OWNS the justice system.
These Justices might as well be grade school kids fighting over the rules of kickball. They aren't qualified to decide even that.
You got that right ✅️
And yet here you are whinning about it on yt... sit down 😂
It's a shame Scotus is even entertaining this case
They are hack schills for Trump. Morons, all of them. Democracy is officially dead.
It just shows, how dysfunctional and AGAINST the Constitution it has become.
Yes and slow walking it past the election.
No it's not. Even the justice department lawyer admitted there was nuance to this that needs to be worked out by the court
@@arielepouhe80 The lower court decision was more than good enough. This was all purely about delaying for Trump.
They're going to hold off making a decision - watch. This is ridiculous.
Just so you know they ALWAYS release rulings end of June.
This ruling may not be in that batch, it may though. Perfectly normal.
They can do it before June, you never know.
Trump spent a lot of money to install his judges. Let’s see if they are loyal or not.
They’re a joke
It will turn out to be the delay tactic as that was all he could afford. No one could ever pay them enough to give him or anyone total immunity. It would be self defeating, as then the court wouldn't be needed anymore per dictator doctrine.
I really love how we are beholden to these doofuses to tell us what a crime is.
For their entire lifetimes!!!
I believe the plural of doofus is doofi.
We don't need new laws that make presidents immune from criminal prosecution.
Criminals face consequences for their crimes, that's the law.
I agree. Would you hold Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, Bush Jr., Mike Pence and Joe Biden to the same standard?!
@chrissorensen9511 of course. Case in point, Bill Clinton's impeachment was bipartisan.
@@chrissorensen9511
If there is enough strong evidence to sustain a guilty verdict through the numerous processes that such evidence must go through in our justice system, then yes…. By all means. Bring on the charges
@@chrissorensen9511 Yes. Isn’t that logical? If you have an argument against that, I’d love to hear it.
@@outtaredzhead4441 …and the House impeached Clinton and the Senate failed to convict…just as it was planned.
So, throwing out the whole basis of the American Republic just to get one two-bit shyster out of a legal jam......
Out of several legal jams he put himself in by breaking the law.
The Supreme Court decision should be 9-0 in favor of no immunity if the Justices adhere to the constitution. If Nixon was immune, he wouldn't have needed to be pardoned. Clause 7 states, "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law." Any judge who dissents, needs to be impeached and removed for failing to uphold their oath of office.
Kavanaugh actually opined that Ford's pardon of Nixon has been proven over time to have been the correct decision. Seriously? Had Nixon been forced to answer for his criminal behavior, there would be no discussion on presidential criminality in regards to Trump!
I agree 100%. Any Justice who gives Trump a nod should not be on any court.
Trump installed them.
You’re naive on how stuff works.
I was in high school when Watergate came down...the politicians were every bit as crooked then as they are today...when the pardon was granted people howled, for about a week...then things pretty much went back to the everyday humdrum...Nixon was never impeached, but the house did vote to begin the proceedings, as I recall...
That’s right!!!
The supreme court justices should be ashamed for agreeing to hear this case. There should be no question that the president is not above the law. Any other decision should be grounds for impeaching the justices
No immunity and no time limit for charges? Okay, the following President's will need to be charged next:
1) Joe Biden's for treason, for ignoring immigration laws, corruption and money laundering.
2) Obama for war criminal and for what he did with those underage children on Jeffrey's Island and at Diddy's house parties.
3) Both Clinton's and Bush to the list, there should be no time limit on what they did.
What has DJT been convicted of...?
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd John, these Biden activist have no idea, they just follow and shout whatever the MSM tells them.
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd Hasn't been, YET..!
Does it matter if it's private or public if it's illegal? Lol I'm pretty sure that the president isn't allowed to break the law!
Don't be naive.
I've lost all respect for the supreme court. time for a change
Why because you may not agree with what they decide.... grow up
@@oh_my-ge3eu Go back to Siberia Boris Badinov.
Just pathetic this is even being entertained to any degree.
Lower circuit already called this correctly. This is horrible
We’re in trouble if they didn’t all write their decisions well before this in the last 7 1/2 freaking weeks
Unbelievable, our justice system is a joke!!!!!
Couldn't agree more! HISTORIC -- as an ordinary citizen, the hearing gave me chills!
Praying that Trump is accountable
He is. The other question is, if any human court will hold him accountable. Many dictators and bad guys just escaped scot-free, because humans would not holding them accountable .... particularly of course right-wing dictators.
Praying that the Left is held accountable as well
See how corrupt Republicans are now. No Republican can never be trusted again. They will lie, cheat or steal their way to power and control
@@K-Dash02 OK, the entire left? What crime could every liberal have possibly committed? Or is this because u don't like them?
😂I’m praying for NOV 5 sleepy gotta go
Noboby is Above the Law .Supreme Court do your Job Rite ....
Justice is defined as the law being applied equally to all individuals. This should not be going to the Supreme court.
If they decide to grant presidential immunity, it's time for Dark Brandon to take over.
Why …. WHY IS THOMAS ON THIS CASE?!?!!!!! Come ON!!!!
The presidential duties do not include ignoring everybody who tells you that you lost an election.
This should be an open and shut case, but Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court.
Clarence Thomas never should have been on the Supreme Court. As a young black female watching that Anita case, I felt violated. As an older black female watching him take kick backs and gifts…. He belongs behind bars!
Ol’ Dead eye is a psychopath
Add lapdog Alito and Kavanaugh to your list.
@@reneej7241 He’s a real Uncle Ruckus.
@@johnmeyler7402 That would be a compliment to him at this point.
Private Act: When I close the door before I poop. Public Act: When Trump poops his pants in a courtroom.
Question is private vs official, not public. He poop his pants in public but that doesn't make it an official act. It's still an act he does on his own, for his own reason that are not linked to his official acts. He's just too full of it to hold it in.
@@ProulxS Excellent distinction. PS. I just pooped my pants.
@@robertodebeers2551 I'll assume in private but then you made it public. Is it still a private thing then?
Doesn't matter the subject of the matter in your pants is still not official matter :)
@@ProulxS That's good.
The fact that they even listen to Donald's BS is embarassing.
Never trump again. Vote blue.
Puke
This so so important!!! We need protection from any President who thinks they are above the law and they can target people they criticized him or offended him in any way.
No immunity and no time limit for charges? Okay, the following President's will need to be charged next:
1) Joe Biden's for treason, for ignoring immigration laws, corruption and money laundering.
2) Obama for war criminal and for what he did with those underage children on Jeffrey's Island and at Diddy's house parties.
3) Both Clinton's and Bush to the list, there should be no time limit on what they did.
*if they criticized him..!!! Proofread, Grammar and Spell check please, people.
God bless the regular Americans who are just trying to live they have to pay for this too.
We've been paying through the nose since the puppet was installed...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd ?? Trumpuppets ??
“In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. NO ONE WILL BE ABOVE THE LAW” -Trump August 16, 2016
There was no cogent reason for the SCOTUS to entertain this appeal from Trump. The appeal court decision was sufficient. The conservative justices are looking for a way to help Trump, otherwise this is just unbelievable.
No immunity and no time limit for charges? The following President's will need to be charged next:
1) Joe Biden's for treason, for ignoring immigration laws, corruption and money laundering.
2) Obama for war criminal and for what he did with those underage children on Jeffrey's Island and at Diddy's house parties.
3) Both Clinton's and Bush to the list, there should be no time limit on what they did.
Better to lean toward limiting Presidential power. Criminal power.
Better to limit Presidential Power, than giving them Power to be Criminal, any day of their term.
I saw red this morning when I was listening to Clarence Thomas. He should have immediately recused himself.
Bad behavior should not be rewarded.
It doesn’t even have to be a consequential case because they should’ve never heard it in the first place
How can committing a crime be part of your official duties when you're sworn to uphold the law?
Treason is Treason! Whether it’s official or private!
Total immunity and the power of pardon. What could go wrong with that plan.
SCOTUS is slow stepping this to provide appearance of fair adjudication. However, given the politics it reads & feels more like favoritism by providing Trump, who appointed some, a de facto stay or delay until after the election re: Jan. 6 pending criminal trial case. This is, in my opinion, not only unfair to the public but an unconstitutional action as it’s a failure to uphold their oath of office.
It shouldn’t matter if it’s a public or private act. No act should be immune. A president SHOULD be afraid of prosecution if they violate the law just as we all are.
There is no official act that requires a president to break the law.
there is no slippery slope in allowing presidents to be held accountable. There is no such thing as a political prosecution to the extent Trump is arguing because a president can only ever be held accountable if there is actually evidence of a crime.
You need evidence to convince a grand jury to issue an indictment.
You need evidence to avoid the case being thrown out by a judge.
You need evidence for a jury to hand down a guilty verdict.
You need evidence to avoid an appeals court overturning the verdict.
there is no scenario where anyone can target their political opponents with the justice system and get away with it in our country despite the Supreme Court claiming to be concerned about it happening.
there is a reason every other court has rejected this argument.
AMEN!!!!
Actually, you are almost correct...but, every president, from Washington to the current installed puppet, has blood on their hands...comes with the job...the office has to have immunity, or the country is eventually doomed...if the president is acting so bad, impeach, find guilty, and remove...there is no worse punishment to one in power than taking that power away...you're being played...
No one have 100% immunity Donald Trump.
Under this system...HE might.
@@trishbrown2297 It just can't be or happen, it's way too anti-civilized, even to think it. We would have to do something about it if they were to decide that way, How many agree..?
A crime committed is a crime committed. It doesn't matter if it was a "private" or "public" act.
not when it comes to usa presidnet
obama even used drone against americans
created wars w/o consent from congress
spied on trump when will you guys wake up, trump is the innocent one
What crime...?
When I see the replacement image for that video here, I see two pictures of shame!
I doubt that the eventual decision of the SCOTUS was bring clarity to the issue of presidential immunity. This is messy and confusing.
Biden should take out trump.
Careful what you wish for...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd Why, who's wishing here..?
We all know what the court is going to do. We will be outraged
The communist democrats will be outraged...who cares...
Any politician who sees an opponent as the "enemy" is definitely a faulty unit.
What we have is a court that is beholding on the plaintiff for their appointments, so we might see some bias here?
Speaking of lack of credibility - Did Thomas recuse himself or was he out on the boat with Harlan Crow ?
Charles made the only statement that matters to this severe issue. The fact that the supreme court’s discussion with the parties of this proceeding never stated the fact of this case. And that is the fact that the federal department of justice has brought this case using the same legal framework as it uses to prosecute any other individual with criminal acts that have broken any laws that we’re governed under! The court has no jurisdiction to interfere in any criminal prosecutions that have not occurred before a court of law that has ruled on the issue! If no trial has been conducted that has come to some conclusion to assure that the defendant was ever held accountable!! This is not a fair and reasonable prosecution of a criminal offense that is conducted in the same manner that has been made in any prior court proceedings!! And the Supreme Court has created a miscarriage of justice that has significantly compromised our nation and the judicial branch of being equally fair when it comes to protecting political and powerful individuals!
"Magistrates"???
Does it have to be unanimous?
No......
He probably already paid Thomas off anyway….anyhow!😂😂😂
Relying on norms and values is simplistically foolish in a country that ostensibly functions under the rule of law, not men. Relying on norms and values--essentially the honor system--is an open, easily exploited, invitation to criminals.
SC will give him the biggest grift yet. He will now be able to mentally declassify and market "classified" documents
Even if we accepted Sauer's premise that a coup is not an illegal act, how could you possibly argue that it's an official act?
Frankly if SCOTUS agrees with the great orange blot about his immunity right than they may as well leave that court hang up their robes, take their great pensions and walk out locking the doors to the halls of Justice behind them. It is the death blow for justice in America.
Crazy other courts and been many deny,rule against say he doesn't have absolute power!! But the supreme Court hears the argument crazy it's a no brainer
The Supreme Court did not need to spend one second on this.
Getting stupid By the Day!! Wow! What are they're talking about? 💯 B.S.
This is beyond ridiculous. I have rights too! I deserve to know what he did, regardless of immunity or not!! The Supreme Court needs to release the stay, let the trial proceed so that American citizens have the transparency they need to vote in November. I am so BS! What about my rights??????
IFThe SCOUS DECIDES TO take their time, they should be ready to give a good reason to the American people as to why! ⚓️🇺🇸
... Meanwhile,, back in the real world, 4 indictments and 91 charges and climbing...
How the heck did 44 other Presidents ever manage? Seriously, we need a new law to pardon this crook? Vote 💙💙💙💙 and send the MAGots packing! This is the most shameful case the Extreme Court has ever entertained.
Y'all are being played...
It wouldn't be about pardons, it would be about creating the first US dictator.
If Trump's acts were 'official' and legal, why all the secrecy, covert meetings, etc.? Why angry his calls were recorded?
Trump is fighting for President Biden's immunity in front of the Supreme Court too. 😂
Biden doesn't want or need it.
These sheeple don't realize that...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd I'm not sure trump realizes it either.
@@countrygirl3109 lol, no, he does know his argument...and he knows if he wins, Carter, Bush, Obama, and the puppet win, too...I am pro-immunity, I think the job requires it...elsewise, the aforementioned will be indicted quickly...and soon we are kaput...
This is not a public or private act - its an illegal act who’s basis is sedition.
This seems like a easy question don't know why it would take weeks to make a decision this is the Supreme Court they should know the answer already
Merrick Garland, where were you for about two years that 2024 looks like this?
The Court will bounce the ball back to the lower court and don't be too surprised if there's a further attempt to bounce it back to the Supreme Court again. The game is obvious as day.
so much hate in you
seek God
@@benedibrava Pure projection.
If Trump gets immunity, then Biden will, too. With immunity, Biden can take care of this mess any way he wants.
No immunity and no time limit for charges? The following President's will need to be charged next:
1) Joe Biden's for treason, for ignoring immigration laws, corruption and money laundering.
2) Obama for war criminal and for what he did with those underage children on Jeffrey's Island and at Diddy's house parties.
3) Both Clinton's and Bush to the list, there should be no time limit on what they did.
the Supreme Court rules on whether the president is immune because of his office.
but they (willingly)forget he is immune because he can just make them delay.
Trump is unstoppable.
Mad respect 👍
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OUR SUPREME COURT IS A SHAM AND SHAME.... SHOULD HAVE REJECTED THIS CASE.. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This decision should have been made in exactly 9 minutes
they have to be careful
because if they rush, and say president has no immunity
most US presidents but trump and few wont face war crimes.
president has immunity,
what keep him in check is impeachment and not take his orders
The black guy's hair piece is mesmerizing.
I'm feeling like the time has come for legal professionals, professors, legal journalists, et al, to explain to the public the process for impeaching a SCOTUS justice. The case of Clarence Thomas is long overdue for scrutiny, and perhaps Alito, not only for relying on opinions and statements so old that they can only be described as obscure, antiquated, and irrelevant, in addition to plain old shameless corruption on the parts of both.
Move the goalposts, huh...typical communist Democrat nonsense...if you don't like the rules you are free to move to Russia...
Geez Comey and Pompeo knew!
Show me where Immunity is in the Constitution?
immunity would be determined by supreme court
also constitution doesnt say, president doesnt have immunity
obama, bush, clinton... is wanted for war crimes
but they are usa presidents, they have immunity
@@benedibrava Correct.
The essential question is: Is the US similar to Russia, similar to North Korea, similar to Venezuela? If the answer is No, then clearly there can be no presidential immunity.
You have no clue...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd Actually, yes I do.
@@VA-lo4ul we will have to disagree...
@@JohnPublic-dk7zd Fine by me.
The delay SCOTUS is creating is a form of giving comfort and support to an insurrectionist. For that the SCOTUS can be indicted.
The real... Teflon Don. .....
I find this insulting 😊
A packed Supreme Court is now King Maker. I pray it doesn't happen.
Why do you need immunity, if you've done nothing wrong? 🤔
Immunity is there is a President need to make a decision to go to war and there are deaths.
Even if the decision is wrong, he should be immune, or else a President will never be free to make that decision.
Who is America?? Can't ask America cause apparently they don't know who they are anymore
Our country is truly broken 😞
Yes to a point, but will say the justice system sure is broken
Idiocracy 😮
The idea that our president would have absolute freedom to do whatever he wants and no repercussions is crazy. Absolutely ridiculous
Supreme Court too.Political needs to be done away.Wait can not act according to law just political bias
So far, justices are doing a great job by confronting Mr. Sauer in his circular thinking, which goes nowhere.
This discussion inside the Supreme Court would have been perfectly acceptable if we were not watching a criminal trial against the guy now claiming that he was covered by presidential immunity when he committed many of the crimes he is being accused of.
Looks like Kleenex stock is about to increase threefold.
All these tears 😂😂😂😂
Am I the only one annoyed with all the background noises on MSNBC these days. The shuffling of papers, things seeming to go on somewhere in the background as if the studio is located in the middle of a work place? For me it takes away from the discussion.
MSDNC realizes y'all might finally catch on that you've been played...lies never endure...
It is important to acknowledge that no individual possesses absolute immunity, including the President of the United States of America. Our nation is not a dictatorship, which is one of the reasons we gained independence from Britain.
Here's the thing: A soccer referee who ignores the official rulebook and makes decisions based on the shouts and gestures from VIPs in the expensive seats, rather than what the rules of the game actually state. Thats exactly what these people at the Supreme court are doing ..
yah like Obama who entered many wars killing many people w/o consent from congress, when constitution clearly stated, congress approval is needed to enter wars
Huh...?
This is a waste of time. The billionaire-owned extreme court will rule in favor of the guy who owns them.
The question not being asked is: Why do you need immunity if you didn’t commit a crime?
No one is above the law. A president should be open to prosecution if anyone else would be open to prosecution for the same act. NO ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY FOR ANYONE!!
no one is above the law? hhahha hhhahhha
how uniformed Biden voters are
Obama entered many wars w/o consent from congress
violating constitution