@@alexandergotze3323 I think that was more of a limitation of the games since no Pokémon could hold items in LGPE (except for mega stones, though whether those are "held" is debatable). Since Partner Pikachu cannot be transferred to games with held items, it's up to interpretation.
@gnoggin I have one quick question I know you mentioned smogon but what about vgc? Incinaroar has been great in vgc consistently. I was just unsure because in the beginning you mentioned vgc and even used it in the past. I’m not even annoyed or anything I am just genuinely unsure.
Favorite moment without a doubt was the double Decidueye beat down. The hilarity of Infernape dealing with it and Samurott only to repeat the process with their Hisuian forms a moment later was golden.
Small correction, while offensively Swampert has two stab options, Ground does not in fact resist fire, making his resistance to fire only a usual resistance.
I had to look this up to be really sure, but the Fire-Typing is not super effective against the Ground-Typing. While no where does it say that Ground has any defenses to help it resist Fire, there's also nothing saying that it requires any defense against it either. My best guess is that do to the typing proving to be stronger and effective against Fire, the Ground-typing is used in the TerminalMontage video to display how it isn't affected by it, and how it practically negates any fire type move. So I guess it's resistant-adjacent, or it's just not really troubled by Fire. Despite this reasoning though, Torterra specifically is still a Grass-type Pokémon 😅. So it should've at least taken a little bit of damage from Fire-type moves, with the Ground-typing simply reducing the effects from being too critical. Heck, I could at least believe that Swampert was able to withstand all of that compared to Torterra do to it's double-Type advantage against Fire 😆.
I must randomly mention how incredibly underrated Pokémon Comquest is. I never see anyone talk about it but it’s one of my personal favorite Pokémon spin offs
It is literally the best game in the pokemon franchise as a whole and the fact that tpc barely marketed it, released it between black white 1 and 2, and forgot about it is a crime
Yes it's one of my favorite games in the entire series,only being beaten by the main games of the same generation Also hanbei,only Pokémon related character that canonically has tuberculosis.more people should know about this
I'm super proud of Chestnaught for hanging in there, getting some fantastic hits in, and surviving so long, everything needed to be on fire for him to be KO'd offscreen.
I'm proud of how far my man swampert made it, but it felt a bit rough that he got taken out by a pokemon who already kinda seemed like they were out of the running
I was honestly expecting it to step on a blade of grass and explode, it would have mad more sense and be even funnier, I was wondering what lockstin was gonna say about why rilaboom came back, but nothing.
It's tricky, because Swampert is really good, and he'd go really far if we were just doing a comparison, but in a battle royale with 33% grass types, which Swampert is dealthy allergic to, he realistically wouldn't win. I think this was a compromise to have him get really far in the fight, but still inevitably lose to a grass type
I love how Grovyle popped outta there with a Time Gear. Bro's got places to be, stopping the Planet's Paralysis and all. I still remember him as my first time ever seeing a game character and going "Oh wait, you ain't really a bad guy!" 😂
There IS a counter amongst the starters to blaziken, a really good one in fact: Skeledirge Fire ghost type means resisting/immunity to both of blaziken's STABs and having unaware means no amount of swords dance is going to break through it.
Well they vgs, anime. And card game also had weight in this judgement and Skeleboi is nowhere near good in any of those. While Incineroar is a top vgc pick for a very very long time, liked enough to be in smash brothers, and has that dark typing Skeleboi isn't too fond of.
I think a fossil pokemon battle royale could be really interesting. You could have the original forms of the gen 8 fossils fighting and they keep swapping body parts on accident, and end up doing the spider man reference like the Typhlosians! I think this could be really cool, but that's just my opinion so let me know what you think, everyone! Also, did anyone else notice the hissuian balls at the start? Nice touch!
While an interesting idea, we don't exactly have an official front to Arcto and back to Zolt, so you don't have an exact model to create the Zoltarcto and or Zoltdraco. Love the idea. Just not enough canon to play with.
Fun fact: Blaziken was originally designed to be a legendary Pokémon of the third generations based on the official scrapped concept art. So the starter winning 1st place makes more sense.
Are we sure it was actually meant to be a legendary? Yeah, its design did end up being partially split off into Latias, but I'd always assumed it was meant to be a starter even then, but the other half of its design just got split off into the Lati twins. I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen anything specifying it was meant to be a legendary, rather than just leading to the design of one.
Well Infernape was based off a literal god , but didn’t made it to the end so i don’t think Blaziken being originally a legendary would matter that much.
No, the beta wasn't meant to be a Legendary Blaziken was specifically designed to look ugly and unapealing, GF expected it to be the kind of mons that you drop into your PC as asap, hence why the Beta looks like ass. Then the Beta was just splitted into the modern Blaziken (still with the same "ugly" idea in mind), and the other traits lead to a Legendary in the Eon Duo.
Makes sense Swampert wouldnt win due to 4x grass weakness (no matter how much I wanted it to win) but Rillaboom came out of no where and wasn't explained how it survived falling into the chasm, it felt like a cheap takeout
@@christopherfleetwood5252 should’ve had charizard and swampert meet in a 1v1 and had charizard solar beam them into oblivion before going down to rock slide or hydro pump
I’m really disappointed with Swampert’s end personally. All the grass types were technically already taken out. To have one randomly return just to take it out and nothing else felt like I got robbed
Also as its already been established, swampert being incredibly vulnerable to a third of the roster was always a sign hed not likely win. Its not impossible, but this time around not even the animations storyline would excuse a flaw that fatal
Minor complaint: Feraligatr is not slow, as many of its PokeDex entries make claim that not only does it move fast, but it can move at incredible and even blinding speeds. Besides that, great video.
it's probably the actual gator issue; People don't think Crocs and Gators are fast until they see them move in the water. He went toe-to-toe with Blastoise in the water, but on land he was just "flat."
Something Lockstin completely Mandela Effect'ed here is that Ground does not resist Fire. He mentioned Torterra not being vaporized by the explosion because it's partially Ground type, and Swampert holding off EXTRA well against the Fire onslaught because of its additional resistance to Fire brought on by its Ground typing, but Ground doesn't actually resist Fire. I remember that tripping me up a lot too when my slower Ground mons would get eviscerated by faster Fire mons and I'd be crazy confused
The only reason I ever remember is because of Steelix specifically. Steel is weak to fire, and ground dni, so Steelix is weak to fire. Why Steelix? I don't remember. Conquest, maybe.
Remember, it's not just Type Advantage he's talking about. Like how some of the starters avoided the earthquake by climbing a tree. Logically, a ground type would resist a wave of fire better than a tree without the ground augment. So more Anime Logic than game logic.
Correction. Skeledirge is in the UU tier this gen, not ubers. It sees use in Ubers because it can be used to wall koriadon, one of the premier threats of Ubers.
I also have literally no idea where they got infernape being ubers from. Its ou in gen 4 and it's not even like skeledirge where it's good in ubers. Also charizard has been OU like 3 times ever and that's if you count megas. Not a huge deal but there clearly wasn't a smogon player on the team for this video lol
Koraidon has Scale Shot now, and with Loaded Dice, it can actually just force a Tera Fairy on Skeledirge through sheer damage, worsening its matchup against a pokemon its much better against, Zacian-C.
@@hankboog462Yeah. To be fair, lockstin isnt a comprtitive player, but still, the research here is so off... Its weird to see that from lockstin tbh. He still has a point about fire starters being the best competitively speaking (speed boost blaziken, pre nerf libero cinderace, mega zard being the best gen 1 mega counts for something ig, infernape was the best one of the three in its original gen, although the one in OU atm is empoleon... The only gens where the fire type is absolutely not the best (possibly even the worst) are gens 5 and 6, really (i guess 7 in singles too, but if we consider vgc... Lol, incin) but still, a lot of the info is just... Wrong
He is also wrong about none of the starters being able to kill it except for Skelederge in competitive play. Unaware + Slack off makes him a hard counter. He also resists fire and immune to fighting stabs.
@@thundergamespt99 yeah. It's weird that they messed this up to me given that this info is all just there on the website and their tier is literally the first thing you see when you look at a pokemons page lmao. Not a huge deal, and with Blaziken in particular using Smogon as a reference for its power makes sense, but it's just weird
The one "Umm actually" moment I caught was for Primarina. Its fairy typing should be a boon not a bane. Fairy resists Fighting and Dark. I think this comment was made in reference to the fact that Fire types resist Fairy. The only pokemon in this competition that resists both of its STABs is Venusaur.
Yeah I was the same. And primarina, while it heavily relies on sound-based moves, does not exclusively need them to function. Incineroar, of all Pokémon, should not have defeated primarina with both its stabs resisted, assuming primarina had any non-sound stab move (moonblast, scald, etc).
Aside from that one, I mainly scoffed at the claim of “Charizard VSTAR being the most powerful card.” It’s really not close which is funny. If he meant something like Charizard ex, then yeah it would make more sense, as that thing’s a menace, but it’s a Terastalized Pokémon so it doesn’t count.
I would like to add that Serperior is pretty consistently OU with its Contrary ability, so Leaf Storm spam would’ve been fun to see. I could also see it using its glare from Pokédex entries to intimidate and kill weaker Pokémon, before trying to use its glare and leaf storm on a fully evolved fire type and losing. Serperior’s just a personal favourite of mine.
While its ou viable, it rarely ever is used in ou. Its more used in very, very specific teams as a sweeper, but usually sticks to the lower tiers due to its bad coverage
@@matmateyo8807yes and yes. Serperior is faster like much much faster and has decent defense to tank a non STAB Acrobatic or just outspeed and hit with a stab 130 bp Leaf Storm that gets stronger
I’m glad Meowscarada was able to survive the island wide explosion thanks to it’s quick wit. Also, as a massive PMD: Explorers fan, Grovyle having a Time Gear was an awesome little easter egg.
Meowscarada is also incredibly fast and if protean was taken into account it would probably would´ve been pretty high in the list of potential winners.
I can’t help but feel like Typhlosion got slept on here, the dude legit has the same stats as Charizard with less weaknesses. Not saying he should have won but kinda felt like he was just swept to the side.
The comments back on the br mentioned grassy rush. I’m not too educated on Pokémon, but it seems like that one move grants Rillaboom a slight chance of just barely making through the carnage, but only to finish off one water type before falling itself. It seems to make sense, but if you’re still doubtful, the comment thread puts it in better words
Swampert's main thing besides being an absolute beast of a mon is that it can die to a particularly sharp blade of grass, so someone with grass typing needed to stick around.
I always enjoy these. Maybe a Mystery Dungeon Player/Partner Battle Royale would be interesting. Most of them are just starters, but there are some interesting ones in there like Axew and Riolu; not to mention weaker but potentially funnier entries like Meowth and Togepi.
And here I am shuddering about where he got that Time Gear from... I can only hope he put that back where it belongs in that tower otherwise... you may probably know what happens...
Heyo! RUclips is currently still processing a small cut I made to this where I sort of fundamentally don't understand how Smogons Tier system works. Thankfully I was using it as supplemental short-hand to simplify a ton of stuff in this explainer video, rather than those lists being a crux for who won and stuff. I've always tried to narrow it down to about 6 or so Pokemon before even looking that deeply at the competitive scene.
I love how impactful swampert was during the battle royale, but can't help but feel the entire line got cheated. Mudkip (understandably) got crumpled immediately, marshtomp got (unjustly) paired with quaxwell to get beat into the ground for being ugly, and then the funny grass monkey survives a direct hit from a massive fiery explosion and a who knows how deep fall, climbs back up, and just deletes swampert while it's in the middle of being badass
Tbf Swampert could’ve died from a sneeze coming from any grass type, they were just prolonging its existence for it to look cool and justified, which imo it IS. The rest of the line i agree with though
@@sanguinedeserter561 Here's the thing.. If Fire type dominates and wipe out all the grass before swampert dies to grass, then swampert should win. Gorillaboom already got punished in the animation. If they wanted swmapert to fall to a grass type, it should have been a lot earlier in the animation instead of just some random near the end.
Eevee has the same broken friendship mechanic plus an even better move pool. They have a moves for each eevolution that has 90 base damage and 100% accuracy, plus an extra effect. Bouncy Bubble-(water) The user attacks by shooting water bubbles at the target. It then absorbs water and restores its HP by half the damage taken by the target. (Hp regen) Buzzy Buzz-(electric)The user shoots a jolt of electricity to attack the target. This also leaves the target with paralysis. (Guaranteed paralysis) Sizzly Slide-(Fire)The user cloaks itself in fire and charges at the target. This also leaves the target with a burn. (Guaranteed burn) Glitzy Glow-(Psychic)The user bombards the target with telekinetic force. A wondrous wall of light is put up to weaken the power of the opposing Pokemons special moves. (Free light scree) Baddy Bad- (Dark)The user acts bad and attacks the target. A wondrous wall of light is put up to weaken the power of the opposing Pokemons physical moves. (Free reflect) Sappy Seed- (Grass)The user grows a gigantic stalk that scatters seeds to attack the target. The seeds drain the targets HP every turn. (Free leach seed) Freezy Frost-(ice)The user attacks with a crystal made of cold frozen haze. It eliminates every stat change among all the pokemon engaged in battle. (Free haze) Sparkly Swirl- (Fairy) The user attacks the target by wrapping it with a whirlwind of an overpowering scent. This also heals all status conditions of the users party. (Can heal any status condition without triggering the friendship mechanic) Plus a special move based on friendship Veevee Volley, which has a max power of 102 with 100% accuracy This means that eevee has a supper effective move for any other starter (other than pikachu and jolteon if im not mistaken), and as long as their were fire and water types eevee could recover hp. Idk it just feels weird have pikachu be portrayed as so powerful, and then only use eevee for a joke.
Can’t help but notice that the dex entry states that typhlosion’s blasts can turn ANYTHING into cinders, when the same logic is what got Charizard so far in the original battle royale. Glad to see Lockstin didn’t forget Zard’s biggest advantage here: Plot Armor (This is not meant to be a complaint in any way, just something I noticed and wanted clarity on)
The burn status, cutting their attack in half doesn’t really matter for most of the water type starter since most of them have special water type moves
But Swampert excels at physical attacks along with some other water starters like Quaquaval. So that may still play a factor especially with Quaquaval’s poor defences
The only thing that would have really made the final showdown perfect would have been Rillaboom getting, i dunno, zapped by Partner Pikachu, or kicked by blazekin, causing it to lose its grip and fall into the pit, dragging Swampert with it. Right now it just feels like Rillaboom was allowed to survive purely to 'spite' Swampert.
@@birky0191I mean realistically swampert doesn’t make it that far when a third of the competitors can outspeed and OHKO it. Only one grass type is slower. So they can’t really show swampert winning when he doesn’t have the highest chance in winning.
@@christophercrane2323Earthquake + Surf beg to differ, as explained in the video. Swampert can easily deal with the majority of pokemon on the ground from far away range and none of the flying ones can easily take him out
I guess "ground types being resistant to fire" is such a common misconception that even I forgot about it until it was pointed out in the comments (meaning Torterra would have still taken super effective damage from Typhlosion). It was still a fun video nonetheless.
Charizard survived that explosion ground zero, so I don’t really think it’s too extreme to expect the defense focused thing really far away to survive such an attack. I would’ve preferred if they showed it being burned or something but surviving to take down swampert instead.
@@alexandergreene461 I mean in Charizard's case I think they took into account it's fire v fire resistance and its base stats among the overall Pokemon. I can't really say if Torterra would have survived regardless due to its stats (although it was kinda awesome to see it get that far either way).
Interestingly, Skeledirge isn't Uber because it's too powerful for OU. It's actually UnderUsed or UU by usage, but its incredibly specific set of traits make it great in Ubers yet bad in OU. Very few mons have this distinction outside of gimmicks like Ditto
couple of corrections: -Skeledirge is a UU pokemon, not Ubers. It sees usage in Ubers thanks to being a great unaware wall, but it's not banned from OU. -Primarina's fairy typing actually doesn't hinder it, in fact it lets it resist the fighting STAB from the fire/fighting starters. Unfortunately, it's not too physically tanky, but it would hold out for a bit longer. -ground doesn't resist fire, you're probably thinking of rock, but yeah Swampert would still have a fighting chance overall, good video
competitive pokemon player here: in the start of gen 9 competitive, skeleridge was directly banned, not only skeleridge, but pokemons like: Last Respect Houndstone or Tidy up maushold
Personal take for the top 2 of each type: Grass- Chesnaught, Torterra Fire- Blaziken, Charizard Water- Swampert, Inteleon Chesnaught, and Torterra were able to servive the explosion. Chesnaught having the fighting type gives it the offensive buff and again, best protection. Blaziken, and Charizard for obvious reasons that were just explained. Swampert, and Inteleon for very different reasons. Inteleon as we saw was a quick sniper and was able to live past the explosion but then just got melted by pikachu. I feel like it would have shoot pikachu out of the air at the least even if pikachu survived the fall because of their plot armor. Meanwhile Swampert has amazing typing and strength. If they hides till the explosion, the pokemon that should have gotten it was Chesnaught cuz they also survived and are slightly faster. Tad salty that Rillaboom coming back from the dead just to kill them.. But if Swampert survives the grass, they would take out all the fire pokemon, and stand really good against pikachu. Just went back through the video.. We never actually see Chesnaught die, they're just randomly lying on the ground for a frame. I'm surprised they didn't get higher then Torterra on the list at the end....
@@kylewhite4984 Mention the busted hidden ability on blaziken but not Serperior who can get to +6 SpA in 3 turns while attacking with an incredibly high speed stat.
I love the explanation of the sheer brokenness of Gen5 Blazeiken. It was funny to imagine everyone despising playing against this Pokémon because the moment you fight, you lost.
It’s been mentioned but man is it painful hearing ground repeatedly referred to as resisting fire 😭 Also my boy Primarina got done so dirty. Water/fairy is one of the best defensive typings in the game and though fire resists fairy it’s special attack stat should’ve been enough to cleave through way more of the competition. The fact that it lasted less time than decidueye did feels criminal
@@binxwaxcap7832Dude, what are you talking about? I was just talking about Pokémon game mechanics on a video about who would win based on Pokémon game mechanics. Who is taking this too seriously? Maybe you need to calm down.
@binxwaxcap7832 The only person that needs to calm down is you. You're getting butthurt just because a stranger on the internet is explaining a correction to someone who isn't even yourself.
There are a few ideas, A Pseudo Legendary Battle Royal (You can throw the Haxorus in there since it is a fake Pseudo essentially), A Fossil Pokémon Battle Royal (Something with the gen 8 fossils trying to piece the right fossils together would be funny), A Paradox Pokémon Battle Royal (Include Terapagos since it mainly caused the existence of them in the present day), and a regional form Pokemon Battle Royal (There should be just enough now to the point where a battle Royal could be made for them. Just don’t include Paradox Pokémon).
I feel like it should be mentioned that ground doesn't resist fire, rock does. Torterra is still weak to fire and swampert has a regular resistance to it, not a 4x one.
@@athath2010it’s one of those circumstances where you’d think creator would do more research on it but I’ll give them slack cause my boy swampert had that kill streak going. Also I don’t get how Primarina did so bad since fairy resist fire, fighting and dark. The type that was mostly in the finale of the fight. Edit- my bad, I meant water and fairy typing make Primarina resist fire, fighting and dark.
@@Bluejay575it's actually the other way around, fire resists fairy, although I think it woulda done better than it did since dark cancels it out and makes it neutral
I think Serperior could at least get special mention for its contrary ability, which inverts stat increases and decreases. When paired with leaf storm (which normally reduces its special attack by 2 stages), it can repeatedly use a powerful grass move that keeps getting stronger with every use. This has allowed it to dwell in OU for a few generations. No, I'm not salty it only got a few seconds of screen time.
i am salty it got only a few seconds of screen time. doing my fav dirty like that 😭 could've given it a cooler death at least. oh well, hi quaquaval fans nice to meet you
At least there was some good gen v representation with Samurott but it sucks that Serperior and the Snivy line as a whole got shafted. Hopefully there will be a chance for redemption in a later battle royale.
Yeah, it was weird that it got wiped by a surf of all things considering lockstin reasoning as it has been good in OU since its ability came out and is very speedy for dodging attacks not to mention it resist both earthquake and surf so I at least expected a fire type to take it out.
Swampert's my favorite Pokemon so while I knew he had no chance of winning because of the grass types, I was elated seeing him still get respected in having his own section of fighting against all the fire types. Thank you for doing my boy justice.
its called bias. bias is easier to convey, when you use strawman aguments in your explnation videos. and it worked out for the creator. like in war, there is no winners. and so does bias - there is no winners.
@@Pero-zl4jpIronically enough? Charizard being immune to earthquake makes it very realistic it'd survive. And if we use doubles/triples/battle royale (Thanks, Gen 7!) rules, spread moves having reduced damage means it's capable of tanking a surf or two as well. So it ends up being a fire type that can legitimately survive that onslaught. Give it (insert grass type move here) and... well... you'd know what'd happen.
One thing missing was how none of the Pokemon started tearing up around Sobble when it started crying! Dex entries says Sobble's tears are hella pungent and makes anyone tear up around it when it cries, sad to see that detail missing here,,
At 11:56 the ground typing of swampert doesn't add to its Fire resistance but it does allow it to use another type of move super effective against fire
similar thing happened to primarina with the fairy typing. doesn’t make it weaker to fire it just not super effective against them and against most of them it’s neutral so it’s not really important.
@@thien0300 In the first pokemon battle and in the megas they specifically mention that Machamp punching Tyranitar off the island in the only way to defeat it but as it is "out of bounds" he loses anyway. The legendary battle had exceptions since the domains of several pokemon include celestial bodies such as Lunala, Rayquaza, Palkia, and Arceus. Plus Giratina who in that battle they mention can ring out people instantly with the reverse world.
That whole thing about Pikachu "toughing it out", isn't that something every Pokemon can do in the games, or is it only because Partner Pikachu canonically has a trainer?
The Let's Go starter Pikachu (and Eevee) have a much higher, almost abnoxiously broken so, chance of doing it compared to the main game fair. Which is part of the joke of it just no-selling being KOed for so long.
I noticed you’d brought up that Ground resists Fire a couple times, but that actually isn’t true! Though it would make sense, Ground is super effective against fire, but Fire is neutral to Ground. Still doesn’t change that much, that just gives the fire types a better chance lol But I figured I’d point it out just in case it would ever be of help in the future, or for anyone watching!
I think it’s weird you say Water doesn’t have much going for it because it’s one of the best defensive types in the game right next to steel and is one of the most popular terra types for that reason. Sure, it doesn’t have a lot of resistances but that just means you can count on not taking that much from literally everything but grass/electric
Poipole being in the beginning made me smile, I frequently use that dex entry as evidence that we need a game set in Ultra Space where you start with a Poipole.
issue is such a game would likely require an all-new pokemon roster if you set it into ultra space (and least until the player reaches the main pokemon dimension)
I’ve been saying that as well, but should definitely take more of a horror turn considering the entries of many of the ultra beasts. Could definitely be a step from the formula but still be enjoyable I’d like to think.
@@thorveim1174 True, but my God, wouldn't that be awesome? Dozens of new Ultra Beasts! Maybe even some pre-evos for existing ones- Buzzwimp, a Bug-type that evolves into Buzzwole upon learning Bulk Up... Zapling, an Electric-type that evolves into Xurkitree when a Thunder Stone is used... Celeseeda, a Steel/Ground-type that evolves into Celesteela upon learning Growth... Hell, they could do "regional" forms. I have this idea for Ultranian Gulpin and Swalot, Dark-types. And Ultranian Swalot would evolve into Guzzlord upon learning Dragon Pulse.
Blaziken has A LOT of coverage though, including stone edge. And seeing it has speed boost, just protect first turn then stone edge on the second and its done
at most it might last longer in a 1v1 but blaziken would still out speed it normally and when it come down to even footing the pokemon that out speeds wins. other wise pikachu would have won with blaziken weaken and we all don't want that win.
@@DrampieRobinif we use lockstins on logic than we only using level up moves meaning blaziken probs wouldnt get very far saying alot of its strong suits arent in natural movepool
I just realized how similar Blaziken and Quaquaval are. Both are Fighting-type birds with exactly 120 base Attack that can be good sweepers. Both can use Bulk Up/Sword Dance and have a way to boost their speed (Blaziken with Speed Boost and Quaquaval with Aqua Step)
Wasted chance to make an unexpected final Battle between fighting bird starters (not Decidueye). I would have been way better than more Pikachu and Charizard screen time. (Also a missed chance to draw Quaquaval properly and not only his ass, being devoured by freaking Serperior)
@@Mepicanloscojones82 As someone who's favorite is actually Serperior, I must say those two got a really bad representation in comparison to the other starters. They both only really appeared for 1 short scene, when both would have been really interesting to watch in action. Quaquaval for his unique typing and fighting style, and Serperior for his really good hidden ability and OU usage.
I'm still confused as to why Delphox was eliminated by falling into the crack caused by earthquake. It is able to see into the future to tell what happens and has access to psychic. You even mentioned Delphox's ability to see into the future based on their origin...
Delphox ain't popular nor competitively viable, so, as much as it contradicts it's own origin lore, it was going to lose. Which made me really annoyed, especially since le grass monke survived.
The interesting thing is that in the original video Delphox was in the top 10 pokemon of winning it so they must've considered it somewhat. I just find it interesting their reasoning isn't explained.
@@GuidingLightAngelRillaboom's grassy terrain halves the damage from the move earthquake specifically, and it resisted it. Delphox's future sight might have been inactive due to the... herbs around it lol
I get that a lot of it is subjective and just having fun but... Incineroar (Fire/Dark) taking a hit and then suplexing Primarina (Water/Fairy) into oblivion is certainly a take. Lockstin and Terminal did our girl dirty. 😔
TBF, Incineroar's gimmick in Smash is getting hit and just murdering things with Revenge, and they clearly pulled from that with how they killed Primarina
I'm both incredibly saddened but also completely understand why neither Decidueye or Skeledirge didn't win. Either way both videos were super fun to watch.
I knew none of the gen nine or legendary Arceus versions where not gonna do good they don't have that much info on them compared to like Charizard who has many entries inteleon did better than I expected he has only like three games with entries
I don't really see where Primarina's fairy typing hinders it, fairy is resisted by fire but not weak to it. Defensively, it would actually wall the fire/fighting mons while maintaining super effective water and neutral fairy moves on offense.
Neutral fairy moves? Fire resists fairy, not neutral. Additionally, the fire types have other options too. Charizard has flying, Hisuian Typhlosion and Skeledirge have ghost, etc. Sure, none of them are explicitly super effective, but Primarina isn't exactly bulky, and water type or not, it's not surviving long
yeah idc if it wins but having it taken out by the one mon that is not effective against water or fairy is crazy lol. have it die to a venusaur or something
Similar with Swampert. It doesn't super resist fire type moves, like the video says. Fire is neutral against ground. Swampert just has a 2nd way to hit the fire types for super effective damage.
@@bobbob-iv4wei mean it's not effective but primarina in the lore uses it's voice to attack and throat chop just removes that entirely so it makes sense that incineroar kills it
he looked up the pokemons rank on showdown wich ranks pokemon based off there single battle capability's incineroar is a VGC staple and there for more geared for double battles
I know right? It could be argued that Incineroar was more impactful to VGC than Blaziken was in singles. Incineroar appeared on almost 74% of teams last time it was legal in VGC and was by far the most common pokemon, and this was a format that allowed Two Legendaries per team.
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydudeWoulda been cool then to see Incineroar match with someone, maybe Swampert for type matchups? Dunno, would've been cool but I love Blaziken I'm delighted with what we got.
Just having Swampert(my favorite Pokémon starter line) be shown as the possible powerhouse it can be made me happy, if only it wasn’t for those meddling grass types i believe it could’ve been 2nd and with luck win(it resists Blaziken and well the gen 3 rivalry would be too much to pass up,and the ground typing gives it immunity to pikachu)
Truth is Blaziken wins only because of the gifts Game Freak gave it after its generation. Infernape , Swampert , Venusaur , Empoleon , Feraligatr , Blastoise , Incineroar , Greninja were all much better individually built in their introducing generations. Even Mega Charizard X cannot do anything to Mega Speed Boost Blaziken.
Yes swampert is my favorite starter too! I’m glad he had a strong run though I am still salty he didn’t win. I think he’d have beaten pikachu even with plot armor, blaziken and charizard for sure. Sadly he was taken out cheaply by a grass monkey from the abyss
A miscalculation I noticed is that Flower Trick is NOT A BOMB, and therefore Chesnaught’s Bulletproof wouldn’t work and it should have died to Meowscarada’s Flower Trick!
252+ Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught on a critical hit: 53-63 (13.9 - 16.5%) -- possible 7HKO If we assume meowscarada hits the lowest rolls, it would take 8 flower tricks to kill the chesnaught (13.9% x 7 hits = 97.3%). Meowscarada in the video hit around 6 flower tricks, so even the highest rolls wouldn’t have killed.
The only analysis mistake was claiming that Torterra and Swampert's ground typing resist fire. They are super effective against fire but, they don't resist it. Swampert's water typing still helps.
If I remember correctly, it used to resist fire during Gen 3 through 4? I think it was a type that was changed to lose some resistance like steel did losing its resistancetk ghost and dark. So, the answer is yes AND no.
Gotta love how Blastoise and Inteleon can kill other water types with resisted water type moves, but most fire types just shrug off a massive fiery explosion unscathed, as well as Rillaboom apparently... If water is such a good defensive typing, why was Swampert the only one to outlast the others, while fire types hardly had any casualties until the end? I'm pretty sure more water types killed each other than grass types did.
One simple reason, Ground. The type is insane, and while not only giving it an electricity immunity, it gives it a huge 4x resistance to fire. The only issue with it is thta it's 4x weak to grass... Ouch
they said fire got bonus points for its over the top competitive meta defining Pokémon presence, pay attention! don't let the animation itself sway you, the animation is simply a method of traversing towards the final 1v1, the reasoning given in this video is quite sound, even if my favorite grassy boys got rolled over i have to accept their sound logic.
@@dakooie5682 water is still considered one of the best types in the game. Fire is generally considered a pretty mid type due to its rock weakness making it struggle against rock slides that used to be super common in doubles and weak to stealth rock which has held back the typing in singles since gen 4. The reasoning was literally just bias tbh.
Some of this felt over exaggerated and some info was wrong. For one, water/fairy is an amazing typing and resists both fighting/fire stabs. Ground isn’t resisted by fire, only rock unfortunately. Blaziken also is a great Pokémon but it was UUBL gen 8 since it ran out of firepower that let it reign terror and had more checks to it. Charizard has been OU and was relatively good gens 1-3, but it hasn’t been the best since stealth rock and modern Pokémon has it left in NU or lower.
Realistically, Partner Eevee would dominate if allowed to use all of it's moves like anime Pokemon. It has access to dual screens, status cleanse, guaranteed paralyze and burn, stat reset, a 90bp drain and leech seed, none of its status moves can be taunted. Only Fairy can't be hit super effectively by it. It has the same friendship plot armor as Partner Pikachu. OH! And it has the ability to break 400 in every stat at the same time making it stronger than Arceus. Partner Eevee wasn't defeated by Muddy Water, it simply waits for a worthy challenger.
it didn't actually, like near the end before partner pikachu took out charizard, you could see the partner eevee stuck in the mud and blaziken just crushing it, poor eevee, didn't deserve to be crushed by the giant chicken
A Very *Low Kick...* Unfortunately, *Let's Go! Eevee's* Loss came through not the Games, but the Anime, as _it's Canonically the Same Eevee Partnered with Chloe in the Journeys Season,_ whereas *Let's Go! Pikachu* is presumably _Ash's Pikachu,_ and thus is also *Ash-Cap Pikachu!* Having _the Personality Quirks of Chloe's Eevee added to it_ is what led it to *be Obsessed with Evolution,* and what caused all of its Troubles in this Simulation. Otherwise, it might've been in a Similar Seating to *Let's Go! Pikachu* - though it may still have Fallen due to picking a Fight with something it couldn't Handle, _possibly being Defeated even Earlier because of such..._ *Let's Go! Pikachu* doesn't have any of those Issues, however, as gaining _the Status of being Ash's Pikachu_ would only make it *Even More OP, Gaining 10 Million-Volt Thunderbolt and Immeasurable Plot Armour such that it wasn't Feasible to include this Information in the Simulation!* As the *Let's Go! Games* didn't involve Ash from the Anime, but _the Game Series' Original Protagonist, Red,_ the Removal of the Anime Data for this Pikachu makes Sense, too...
I was wheezing the entire time that Decidueye was being beaten down (knowing fine well that it was a meme almost ripping the first Royale's footage wholesale, ironically making it funnier) and *especially* the Pikachu tanking scene. The fact that it just stayed at 1 HP the entire time. Then lost because it nodded. It just killed me man
Y'know, you say you take VGC into consideration for this, but I feel like VGC consideration would result in, like, twice as much Incineroar. I know it gets its own section, but that feels more like Smash Bros than VGC. I'd love a quick gag where it shows up, slaps an enemy Pokemon around, then plays Engineer's "And another thing: you're ugly." before leaving. Perfect representation of the best pokemon to ever curse VGC.
Something I remembered, I actually think Typhlosion could have a really good chance, it’s Pokédex entry says it can burn anything to cinders and it also has Flash Fire which means it would be immune to the other fire types attacks.
I think this would have looked better visually too. cuz i didn’t understand he was creating the explosion from the animation. after the explosion he’s just lying there on his back perfectly unharmed.
Tbh greninja should've also gotten a bit further, the protean ability would be invaluable to countering all the fire fighting types since it gets access to extrasensory, and could counter grass with ice beam or acrobatics. Although with the amount of love the final three get across the board I get why greninja wouldnt make it
Delphox being the only psychic type besides Espeon and a clairvoyant Fox mage didn't get much screentime as it deserves (painfully poetic) but the Pikachu v Blaziken finale was worth it
i only play certain rom hacks now and most of them include a few major starter changes, sceptile/serperior becoming grass/dragon, emboar becoming fire/ground, samurat water/fighting, and sometimes feraligator as water/dark. i think a lot of these make sense and it’s a shame it’s not real
Add to that that ground is already half effective due to typing, and grassy terrain on top.. Wouldn't explain why rillaboom climbed up, but it's probably that fact
HOOOO BOI! That last fight was INTENSE! Had a lot of fun working on this with you and loved the analysis and reasoning behind everything!
Hell yeah! I loved the “Toughed It Out” bit! You outdid yourself dude!
Okay but how did Rillaboom survive?
Terminal dropping w’s
If only you released the top 10 boss fights highlight video later. That would’ve been top 5 easily
bro it was hilarious!!! i loved it!!
I figured the reason for Charizard picking Typhlosion for its opponent was because they have the same stats, so Charizard saw Typhlosion as an equal.
"Finally, a worthy opponent. Are battle will be LEGENDARY!"
- Charizard probably
You’re right it’s even more perfect lol
No megas
@@DaSicknesswhen were we talking about megas
AT last
\-also charizard probably
Im proud of my boy Swampert for holding out for so long
They hoed my Boy Swampert at the end but he did his best
Personally I feel the same but for Emboar
Same.
Surprised with mons like Inteleon were doing well enough
🗿
Another factor in Pikachu's favour: The Light Ball item, which doubles Pikachu's attack _and_ special attack!
It had Air Balloons, i think.
@@stattickshark8112It can use balloons outside of battle
Partner Pikachu can not hold items
@@alexandergotze3323 I think that was more of a limitation of the games since no Pokémon could hold items in LGPE (except for mega stones, though whether those are "held" is debatable). Since Partner Pikachu cannot be transferred to games with held items, it's up to interpretation.
@@Qaos that doesn't mean it should be allowed to hold an item that just straight up doesn't exist in its only game
I still think Piplup was robbed.
Rip piplup, didn't deserve to die by being crushed
Mudkip and oshawott for me
R.I.P. Piplup, died as he lived. Like a puddle on the ground.
@gnoggin I have one quick question I know you mentioned smogon but what about vgc? Incinaroar has been great in vgc consistently. I was just unsure because in the beginning you mentioned vgc and even used it in the past. I’m not even annoyed or anything I am just genuinely unsure.
Rip TCNick3
The "friendship" stat is indeed op
He could have used quick attack
The amount of battles I've seen being saved by it is crazy
Friendship needs a nerf next patch.
Who was he friends with though.... 🤔
@@Agent719with you, the viewer.
I really love that somehow sooble was able to survive until right before the final battle and actually took out a pokemon, that was funny
I think he went invisible
@@bestleefboi But only with Swampert
Yes he did and it worked
ngl, I thought Sobble taking out a mon is a reference to Pokemon Unite, it's Water Gun doing ridiculous damage
@@penguin_reader_yt9510no it took out cinderace
As a swampert lover, i am proud of him for holding off the fire eemons
Same
Favorite moment without a doubt was the double Decidueye beat down. The hilarity of Infernape dealing with it and Samurott only to repeat the process with their Hisuian forms a moment later was golden.
I'm happy Samurott appeared at all
I am happy Infernape had a dub before it got dunked.
My fave deserved a Dub, even if it was recycled
@@justascarecrow6988 Infernape fave ganggggg
Small correction, while offensively Swampert has two stab options, Ground does not in fact resist fire, making his resistance to fire only a usual resistance.
I had to look this up to be really sure, but the Fire-Typing is not super effective against the Ground-Typing. While no where does it say that Ground has any defenses to help it resist Fire, there's also nothing saying that it requires any defense against it either. My best guess is that do to the typing proving to be stronger and effective against Fire, the Ground-typing is used in the TerminalMontage video to display how it isn't affected by it, and how it practically negates any fire type move. So I guess it's resistant-adjacent, or it's just not really troubled by Fire. Despite this reasoning though, Torterra specifically is still a Grass-type Pokémon 😅. So it should've at least taken a little bit of damage from Fire-type moves, with the Ground-typing simply reducing the effects from being too critical. Heck, I could at least believe that Swampert was able to withstand all of that compared to Torterra do to it's double-Type advantage against Fire 😆.
yeah i was waiting for someone to comment this lol
Yeah, he mentioned it with torterra too.
he said that with torterra too, it may be more than small
@@2gredvisions8560de que hablas, el fuego al tierra es neutro
Honestly, it is such a good coincidence that both the Pokémon infernape fought in the original were BOTH given regional forms
Too bad all that meant for Decidueye was that he'd be more effective in-game against Samurott. And not in bst or dex..
that too in HIS REGION
Ah yes... coincidence... mhm
Funny how he won when he was in disadvantage but lost when they were equals in term of typing.
@@astralbirthvoid02 crazy how the dex works innit
Rillaboom: “OOKAY! Now you die.” Funniest thing terminalmontage has ever animated.
I still think the SMW keyhole was the funniest, but this is defimitely up there.
I must randomly mention how incredibly underrated Pokémon Comquest is. I never see anyone talk about it but it’s one of my personal favorite Pokémon spin offs
I really want to get the game it seems fun!
It is literally the best game in the pokemon franchise as a whole and the fact that tpc barely marketed it, released it between black white 1 and 2, and forgot about it is a crime
Yes it's one of my favorite games in the entire series,only being beaten by the main games of the same generation
Also hanbei,only Pokémon related character that canonically has tuberculosis.more people should know about this
Agree.
That game was perfection
I'm super proud of Chestnaught for hanging in there, getting some fantastic hits in, and surviving so long, everything needed to be on fire for him to be KO'd offscreen.
Blaziken may be my boy, but Chesnaught will always be my (second) favorite grass starter
Chestnaught gang!!!
I'm happy that none of the Emboar line died first
Chesnaught best starter lets goooo Chesnaught lovers unite
"DISGUSTING!"
I'm proud of how far my man swampert made it, but it felt a bit rough that he got taken out by a pokemon who already kinda seemed like they were out of the running
I was honestly expecting it to step on a blade of grass and explode, it would have mad more sense and be even funnier, I was wondering what lockstin was gonna say about why rilaboom came back, but nothing.
It's tricky, because Swampert is really good, and he'd go really far if we were just doing a comparison, but in a battle royale with 33% grass types, which Swampert is dealthy allergic to, he realistically wouldn't win. I think this was a compromise to have him get really far in the fight, but still inevitably lose to a grass type
Same, i was playing Pokemon emerald and i choose Mudkip as my starter, so i really like they do it.
@@aleksabanjevic8316 now i'm wishing they had done this lmao
THIS!! Everything else was justified- but that was a convenient wipe with no explanation...
I love how Grovyle popped outta there with a Time Gear. Bro's got places to be, stopping the Planet's Paralysis and all. I still remember him as my first time ever seeing a game character and going "Oh wait, you ain't really a bad guy!" 😂
There IS a counter amongst the starters to blaziken, a really good one in fact: Skeledirge
Fire ghost type means resisting/immunity to both of blaziken's STABs and having unaware means no amount of swords dance is going to break through it.
The singing mons got cooked unfortunately
@@DaFlyingSealyeah cause throat chop means silence
Well they vgs, anime. And card game also had weight in this judgement and Skeleboi is nowhere near good in any of those. While Incineroar is a top vgc pick for a very very long time, liked enough to be in smash brothers, and has that dark typing Skeleboi isn't too fond of.
Primarina and hisuian typhloshion can also counter It well
Earthquake
I think a fossil pokemon battle royale could be really interesting. You could have the original forms of the gen 8 fossils fighting and they keep swapping body parts on accident, and end up doing the spider man reference like the Typhlosians! I think this could be really cool, but that's just my opinion so let me know what you think, everyone! Also, did anyone else notice the hissuian balls at the start? Nice touch!
Jurassic park with island obliterating earthquakes let's go!
I'm not sure if the Gen 8 fossil Pokemon had official 'actual forms'. Their whole point was being Frankensteined like a certain museum did.
Praize the Helix
FOSSIL POKÉMON BATTLE ROYALE!
While an interesting idea, we don't exactly have an official front to Arcto and back to Zolt, so you don't have an exact model to create the Zoltarcto and or Zoltdraco.
Love the idea. Just not enough canon to play with.
Fun fact: Blaziken was originally designed to be a legendary Pokémon of the third generations based on the official scrapped concept art. So the starter winning 1st place makes more sense.
Oh yeah! The half-Blaziken half-Lati mon.
Are we sure it was actually meant to be a legendary? Yeah, its design did end up being partially split off into Latias, but I'd always assumed it was meant to be a starter even then, but the other half of its design just got split off into the Lati twins. I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen anything specifying it was meant to be a legendary, rather than just leading to the design of one.
Well Infernape was based off a literal god , but didn’t made it to the end so i don’t think Blaziken being originally a legendary would matter that much.
No, the beta wasn't meant to be a Legendary
Blaziken was specifically designed to look ugly and unapealing, GF expected it to be the kind of mons that you drop into your PC as asap, hence why the Beta looks like ass. Then the Beta was just splitted into the modern Blaziken (still with the same "ugly" idea in mind), and the other traits lead to a Legendary in the Eon Duo.
@@jvbon646 "Then the Beta was just splitted into the modern Blaziken (still with the same "ugly" idea in mind)"
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This one felt a lot more biased more then the other battle royale videos. Mostly with the fire type starters
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Partner pikachu and eeve should have won
That shot of Delphox fending off the explosion looks badass 🔥🔥🔥
It took a page out of "parrying a nuke."
Reminding of a Jedi hold back an explosion, like Anakin in Star Wars the Clone War.
@@paulwayne8367 Grogu in the Mandolorian S3 😆
Totally agree
reminded me of riku in kh3, fending off the horde
Makes sense Swampert wouldnt win due to 4x grass weakness (no matter how much I wanted it to win) but Rillaboom came out of no where and wasn't explained how it survived falling into the chasm, it felt like a cheap takeout
It was a cheap takeout, nevermind that everything that couldn’t Fly should have been put down by the double EQ and Surf.
Rillaboom used Grassy glide to get out of the chasm ig
@@christopherfleetwood5252 should’ve had charizard and swampert meet in a 1v1 and had charizard solar beam them into oblivion before going down to rock slide or hydro pump
I feel cheated
Would prefered just a dumb leaf falling from the sky then touching Swampert and TURNING HIM INTO DUST
I’m really disappointed with Swampert’s end personally. All the grass types were technically already taken out. To have one randomly return just to take it out and nothing else felt like I got robbed
Prettt sure is to annoy Swampert fans, why would Terminalmontage use Rillaboom instead of any other mon? Take it as a win m8
Also as its already been established, swampert being incredibly vulnerable to a third of the roster was always a sign hed not likely win. Its not impossible, but this time around not even the animations storyline would excuse a flaw that fatal
Minor complaint: Feraligatr is not slow, as many of its PokeDex entries make claim that not only does it move fast, but it can move at incredible and even blinding speeds. Besides that, great video.
Yeah my boy Feraligatr got done dirty imo
his actual in-game speed stat probably counteracted that bringing him down to just average.
it's probably the actual gator issue; People don't think Crocs and Gators are fast until they see them move in the water. He went toe-to-toe with Blastoise in the water, but on land he was just "flat."
He got distracted, and Inteleon saw a free shot
Even the fastest sprinter on Earth is slow, from a bullet's perspective.
Something Lockstin completely Mandela Effect'ed here is that Ground does not resist Fire. He mentioned Torterra not being vaporized by the explosion because it's partially Ground type, and Swampert holding off EXTRA well against the Fire onslaught because of its additional resistance to Fire brought on by its Ground typing, but Ground doesn't actually resist Fire. I remember that tripping me up a lot too when my slower Ground mons would get eviscerated by faster Fire mons and I'd be crazy confused
kinda irritated me that he made the mistake twice
Least it didn't really have an effect on results. Torterra got KO'd right after, and Swampert is, well, Swampert
The only reason I ever remember is because of Steelix specifically. Steel is weak to fire, and ground dni, so Steelix is weak to fire. Why Steelix? I don't remember. Conquest, maybe.
Remember, it's not just Type Advantage he's talking about. Like how some of the starters avoided the earthquake by climbing a tree. Logically, a ground type would resist a wave of fire better than a tree without the ground augment. So more Anime Logic than game logic.
I think torterra survived because it is known to be one of the bulkiest starter
Correction. Skeledirge is in the UU tier this gen, not ubers. It sees use in Ubers because it can be used to wall koriadon, one of the premier threats of Ubers.
I also have literally no idea where they got infernape being ubers from. Its ou in gen 4 and it's not even like skeledirge where it's good in ubers. Also charizard has been OU like 3 times ever and that's if you count megas. Not a huge deal but there clearly wasn't a smogon player on the team for this video lol
Koraidon has Scale Shot now, and with Loaded Dice, it can actually just force a Tera Fairy on Skeledirge through sheer damage, worsening its matchup against a pokemon its much better against, Zacian-C.
@@hankboog462Yeah. To be fair, lockstin isnt a comprtitive player, but still, the research here is so off... Its weird to see that from lockstin tbh. He still has a point about fire starters being the best competitively speaking (speed boost blaziken, pre nerf libero cinderace, mega zard being the best gen 1 mega counts for something ig, infernape was the best one of the three in its original gen, although the one in OU atm is empoleon... The only gens where the fire type is absolutely not the best (possibly even the worst) are gens 5 and 6, really (i guess 7 in singles too, but if we consider vgc... Lol, incin) but still, a lot of the info is just... Wrong
He is also wrong about none of the starters being able to kill it except for Skelederge in competitive play. Unaware + Slack off makes him a hard counter. He also resists fire and immune to fighting stabs.
@@thundergamespt99 yeah. It's weird that they messed this up to me given that this info is all just there on the website and their tier is literally the first thing you see when you look at a pokemons page lmao. Not a huge deal, and with Blaziken in particular using Smogon as a reference for its power makes sense, but it's just weird
Lockstin: blaziken is so powerful
Incineroar: am I a joke to you?
The one "Umm actually" moment I caught was for Primarina. Its fairy typing should be a boon not a bane.
Fairy resists Fighting and Dark. I think this comment was made in reference to the fact that Fire types resist Fairy.
The only pokemon in this competition that resists both of its STABs is Venusaur.
and emploeon
You mean “boon”.
Yeah I was the same. And primarina, while it heavily relies on sound-based moves, does not exclusively need them to function. Incineroar, of all Pokémon, should not have defeated primarina with both its stabs resisted, assuming primarina had any non-sound stab move (moonblast, scald, etc).
Yeah, I wish Primarina lasted a bit more, even just one KO will be good enough.
Anyone hoped that Primarina had a musical standoff with Skeledirge?
Aside from that one, I mainly scoffed at the claim of “Charizard VSTAR being the most powerful card.” It’s really not close which is funny. If he meant something like Charizard ex, then yeah it would make more sense, as that thing’s a menace, but it’s a Terastalized Pokémon so it doesn’t count.
I would like to add that Serperior is pretty consistently OU with its Contrary ability, so Leaf Storm spam would’ve been fun to see. I could also see it using its glare from Pokédex entries to intimidate and kill weaker Pokémon, before trying to use its glare and leaf storm on a fully evolved fire type and losing. Serperior’s just a personal favourite of mine.
My favorite is Snivy who has defeated ashes pikachu sooo maybe? (But of course he never really stood a realistic chance)
Wait question can serperior tank a acrobatis from quaquaval
Or out speed
While its ou viable, it rarely ever is used in ou. Its more used in very, very specific teams as a sweeper, but usually sticks to the lower tiers due to its bad coverage
@@matmateyo8807yes and yes. Serperior is faster like much much faster and has decent defense to tank a non STAB Acrobatic or just outspeed and hit with a stab 130 bp Leaf Storm that gets stronger
I’m glad Meowscarada was able to survive the island wide explosion thanks to it’s quick wit. Also, as a massive PMD: Explorers fan, Grovyle having a Time Gear was an awesome little easter egg.
Meowscarada is also incredibly fast and if protean was taken into account it would probably would´ve been pretty high in the list of potential winners.
Im shocked thepost credits scene didnt involve a time travelling Grovyle
Yeah technically Grovyle is still alive
@@frstrspndr1478 The True Winner.
My guy really said Charizard is a good OU/Uber pokemon lol😂😂😂
I was really hoping to see Typhlosion crawl out of the crater at the end because Seismic Toss only did 36 Damage.
not after using Explosion lol
@sadluciofrog "causing an explosion" and "using Explosion" are two different things entirely. Also Explosion is not in his movepool.
I can’t help but feel like Typhlosion got slept on here, the dude legit has the same stats as Charizard with less weaknesses. Not saying he should have won but kinda felt like he was just swept to the side.
@@jacobspicer4470 not to mention their ability to just abandon the type system entirely.
@jacobspicer4470 same it's also just annoying to see charizard At the top even in fan made stuff
The fact blaziken managed to win against 2 Pokémon who have moves that can be super effective against it (flying and water) is actually nuts
Is actually bullshit
Thats why he's ubers
For reference, blaziken can win a 1v1 with toxapex, something that should absolutely destroy it
He had been fighting the whole time, racking up speed boosts.
Having a super-effective coverage attack only matters if you get to attack.
Blaziken is the goat also i was so scared pikachu was gonna somehow use his z move winning against him
Question: how was Rillaboom able to survive the fire explosion to later take out Swampert, while clearly being on fire during the explosion?
Because it's funny monkey killing Swampert for comedic purposes.
I think that, when it fell down the hole, it landed in water.
@@andreaspaghetti7342 yeah but I like Swampert :(
The comments back on the br mentioned grassy rush. I’m not too educated on Pokémon, but it seems like that one move grants Rillaboom a slight chance of just barely making through the carnage, but only to finish off one water type before falling itself. It seems to make sense, but if you’re still doubtful, the comment thread puts it in better words
Swampert's main thing besides being an absolute beast of a mon is that it can die to a particularly sharp blade of grass, so someone with grass typing needed to stick around.
I always enjoy these. Maybe a Mystery Dungeon Player/Partner Battle Royale would be interesting. Most of them are just starters, but there are some interesting ones in there like Axew and Riolu; not to mention weaker but potentially funnier entries like Meowth and Togepi.
Did not expect to see a pmd reference but I was really happy to see it. Find it funny that Grovyle didn’t even die. He just used a time gear and left
He had no quarrel with the other Pokémon.
Time Travelled into the future to when Blaziken grows old and dies. Grovyle is the true winner.
I don't think anyone has ever time traveled by channeling a time gear before
Still the reference was appreciated.
And here I am shuddering about where he got that Time Gear from...
I can only hope he put that back where it belongs in that tower otherwise... you may probably know what happens...
@@Typical_Explorer Bad ending: Dusknoir was right at along
Heyo! RUclips is currently still processing a small cut I made to this where I sort of fundamentally don't understand how Smogons Tier system works. Thankfully I was using it as supplemental short-hand to simplify a ton of stuff in this explainer video, rather than those lists being a crux for who won and stuff. I've always tried to narrow it down to about 6 or so Pokemon before even looking that deeply at the competitive scene.
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Well I mean you do understand what they mean, but you don't understand wich pokemon is where at all XD
Sorry to nitpick but infernape is OU in gen 4 not Ubers. Great video!
I have a question, do you enjoy hurting deci?
Coolio
I love how impactful swampert was during the battle royale, but can't help but feel the entire line got cheated. Mudkip (understandably) got crumpled immediately, marshtomp got (unjustly) paired with quaxwell to get beat into the ground for being ugly, and then the funny grass monkey survives a direct hit from a massive fiery explosion and a who knows how deep fall, climbs back up, and just deletes swampert while it's in the middle of being badass
Tbf Swampert could’ve died from a sneeze coming from any grass type, they were just prolonging its existence for it to look cool and justified, which imo it IS. The rest of the line i agree with though
Your pokemon caused a catastrophic event, got multiple kills, and could've been instakilled by 1/3 the cast.
@@sanguinedeserter561 Here's the thing.. If Fire type dominates and wipe out all the grass before swampert dies to grass, then swampert should win.
Gorillaboom already got punished in the animation. If they wanted swmapert to fall to a grass type, it should have been a lot earlier in the animation instead of just some random near the end.
Swampert death makes no literal sense, should've won
@@-Comet.At that point of the Battle there were no more grass types :) rillaboom was dead before
Eevee has the same broken friendship mechanic plus an even better move pool. They have a moves for each eevolution that has 90 base damage and 100% accuracy, plus an extra effect.
Bouncy Bubble-(water) The user attacks by shooting water bubbles at the target. It then absorbs water and restores its HP by half the damage taken by the target. (Hp regen)
Buzzy Buzz-(electric)The user shoots a jolt of electricity to attack the target. This also leaves the target with paralysis. (Guaranteed paralysis)
Sizzly Slide-(Fire)The user cloaks itself in fire and charges at the target. This also leaves the target with a burn. (Guaranteed burn)
Glitzy Glow-(Psychic)The user bombards the target with telekinetic force. A wondrous wall of light is put up to weaken the power of the opposing Pokemons special moves. (Free light scree)
Baddy Bad- (Dark)The user acts bad and attacks the target. A wondrous wall of light is put up to weaken the power of the opposing Pokemons physical moves. (Free reflect)
Sappy Seed- (Grass)The user grows a gigantic stalk that scatters seeds to attack the target. The seeds drain the targets HP every turn. (Free leach seed)
Freezy Frost-(ice)The user attacks with a crystal made of cold frozen haze. It eliminates every stat change among all the pokemon engaged in battle. (Free haze)
Sparkly Swirl- (Fairy) The user attacks the target by wrapping it with a whirlwind of an overpowering scent. This also heals all status conditions of the users party. (Can heal any status condition without triggering the friendship mechanic)
Plus a special move based on friendship Veevee Volley, which has a max power of 102 with 100% accuracy
This means that eevee has a supper effective move for any other starter (other than pikachu and jolteon if im not mistaken), and as long as their were fire and water types eevee could recover hp.
Idk it just feels weird have pikachu be portrayed as so powerful, and then only use eevee for a joke.
Can’t help but notice that the dex entry states that typhlosion’s blasts can turn ANYTHING into cinders, when the same logic is what got Charizard so far in the original battle royale.
Glad to see Lockstin didn’t forget Zard’s biggest advantage here: Plot Armor
(This is not meant to be a complaint in any way, just something I noticed and wanted clarity on)
See the thing is if its a battle of plot armour then zard doesn't hold a candle to pikachu
Probably why it was Char who took them out of the battle
@@travisz978True
@@DanJuegaman, I just wanted to see my boy Typhlosion (and Highphlosion) get some revenge on the Zard.
He’s so underrated
@@jacobspicer4470 Don’t they have the same stats? I’m sure being able to fly it’s just too big of an advantage. And I am a Typhlosion guy myself.
The burn status, cutting their attack in half doesn’t really matter for most of the water type starter since most of them have special water type moves
If we're being honest, this whole battle royale is full of holes. It's just that none of us can animate our own to then explain our reasoning.
@@mallios13 That's a cold take. Stuff is complex and there's a lot of factors that go into these. They did great.
@@mallios13 rule of cool and rule of funny will always trump small holes in these vids. they are intended to be entertaining first, accurate second.
But Swampert excels at physical attacks along with some other water starters like Quaquaval. So that may still play a factor especially with Quaquaval’s poor defences
@@ThePerfectSoniceh kinda not true, the legendary Battle Royale followed more logic and just added comedy to very logical stuff
The only thing that would have really made the final showdown perfect would have been Rillaboom getting, i dunno, zapped by Partner Pikachu, or kicked by blazekin, causing it to lose its grip and fall into the pit, dragging Swampert with it. Right now it just feels like Rillaboom was allowed to survive purely to 'spite' Swampert.
they needed an excuse to remove swampert. and they found one.
yeah gotta agree cause swampert is immune to pickachu and has a 2x against blazeikin so that rillaboom thing was bull
@@birky0191I mean realistically swampert doesn’t make it that far when a third of the competitors can outspeed and OHKO it. Only one grass type is slower. So they can’t really show swampert winning when he doesn’t have the highest chance in winning.
@@christophercrane2323Earthquake + Surf beg to differ, as explained in the video. Swampert can easily deal with the majority of pokemon on the ground from far away range and none of the flying ones can easily take him out
I’d love to know how my boy Magikarp would do against the entire Pokémon roster.
I guess "ground types being resistant to fire" is such a common misconception that even I forgot about it until it was pointed out in the comments (meaning Torterra would have still taken super effective damage from Typhlosion). It was still a fun video nonetheless.
Charizard survived that explosion ground zero, so I don’t really think it’s too extreme to expect the defense focused thing really far away to survive such an attack.
I would’ve preferred if they showed it being burned or something but surviving to take down swampert instead.
@@alexandergreene461 I mean in Charizard's case I think they took into account it's fire v fire resistance and its base stats among the overall Pokemon. I can't really say if Torterra would have survived regardless due to its stats (although it was kinda awesome to see it get that far either way).
its a common mistake because rock resists fire and there are too many rock/ground-types
Rock and ground get confused once in a while.
Yep, the fact is that Ground doesn't resist Fire
Interestingly, Skeledirge isn't Uber because it's too powerful for OU. It's actually UnderUsed or UU by usage, but its incredibly specific set of traits make it great in Ubers yet bad in OU. Very few mons have this distinction outside of gimmicks like Ditto
Actually it did get to #1 recently with a mandabuzz pult team so it's still very usable with water Tera.
The Quagsire effect.
Oh yeah parasect in ubers was truely a moment
they overall fundamentally misunderstood Smogon
@@RebelTrooperHoth I think they simplified it and used it in a way that fits narratively for the jokes
couple of corrections:
-Skeledirge is a UU pokemon, not Ubers. It sees usage in Ubers thanks to being a great unaware wall, but it's not banned from OU.
-Primarina's fairy typing actually doesn't hinder it, in fact it lets it resist the fighting STAB from the fire/fighting starters. Unfortunately, it's not too physically tanky, but it would hold out for a bit longer.
-ground doesn't resist fire, you're probably thinking of rock, but yeah Swampert would still have a fighting chance
overall, good video
competitive pokemon player here: in the start of gen 9 competitive, skeleridge was directly banned, not only skeleridge, but pokemons like:
Last Respect Houndstone or Tidy up maushold
cinderace also was banned at some point at gen 8 and that gainned reputation for the rabbit
this happen with skeleridge, being the only starter in gen 9 getting banned
and sorry for my poor english
@@TheRadianceSun At no point has skeledirge or maushold been banned in smogon
Personal take for the top 2 of each type:
Grass- Chesnaught, Torterra
Fire- Blaziken, Charizard
Water- Swampert, Inteleon
Chesnaught, and Torterra were able to servive the explosion. Chesnaught having the fighting type gives it the offensive buff and again, best protection.
Blaziken, and Charizard for obvious reasons that were just explained.
Swampert, and Inteleon for very different reasons. Inteleon as we saw was a quick sniper and was able to live past the explosion but then just got melted by pikachu. I feel like it would have shoot pikachu out of the air at the least even if pikachu survived the fall because of their plot armor. Meanwhile Swampert has amazing typing and strength. If they hides till the explosion, the pokemon that should have gotten it was Chesnaught cuz they also survived and are slightly faster. Tad salty that Rillaboom coming back from the dead just to kill them.. But if Swampert survives the grass, they would take out all the fire pokemon, and stand really good against pikachu.
Just went back through the video.. We never actually see Chesnaught die, they're just randomly lying on the ground for a frame. I'm surprised they didn't get higher then Torterra on the list at the end....
There was ONE scene with the Snivy line. While the other Unova starters got love, Serperior was only used to swallow a bird, and I am enraged.
Servine was in the whirlpool too i believe, but WHERE WAS MY BOI SNIVY
You think that’s bad!? There were several jokes that could have been made about Quaquaval and all it did was get vored by a snake.
Serperior is my boy, I am so sad he got so wiped
@@kylewhite4984 Mention the busted hidden ability on blaziken but not Serperior who can get to +6 SpA in 3 turns while attacking with an incredibly high speed stat.
I do agree with all of this. That said, let’s be real, a full grass was never gonna get very far.
I love the explanation of the sheer brokenness of Gen5 Blazeiken. It was funny to imagine everyone despising playing against this Pokémon because the moment you fight, you lost.
It’s been mentioned but man is it painful hearing ground repeatedly referred to as resisting fire 😭
Also my boy Primarina got done so dirty. Water/fairy is one of the best defensive typings in the game and though fire resists fairy it’s special attack stat should’ve been enough to cleave through way more of the competition. The fact that it lasted less time than decidueye did feels criminal
And the fact that it was beaten by Incineroar, a pokemon it resists 2x, even when its first attack should have killed Incineroar, is just total bs.
Or how the island got hit by two earthquakes and a tsunami and somehow the fire types were affected the least
Can you calm down? This was meant to not be taken seriously but yet here you are.
@@binxwaxcap7832Dude, what are you talking about? I was just talking about Pokémon game mechanics on a video about who would win based on Pokémon game mechanics. Who is taking this too seriously? Maybe you need to calm down.
@binxwaxcap7832 The only person that needs to calm down is you. You're getting butthurt just because a stranger on the internet is explaining a correction to someone who isn't even yourself.
There are a few ideas, A Pseudo Legendary Battle Royal (You can throw the Haxorus in there since it is a fake Pseudo essentially), A Fossil Pokémon Battle Royal (Something with the gen 8 fossils trying to piece the right fossils together would be funny), A Paradox Pokémon Battle Royal (Include Terapagos since it mainly caused the existence of them in the present day), and a regional form Pokemon Battle Royal (There should be just enough now to the point where a battle Royal could be made for them. Just don’t include Paradox Pokémon).
I feel like it should be mentioned that ground doesn't resist fire, rock does.
Torterra is still weak to fire and swampert has a regular resistance to it, not a 4x one.
yeah, why isn't anyone else pointing this out??
@@athath2010it’s one of those circumstances where you’d think creator would do more research on it but I’ll give them slack cause my boy swampert had that kill streak going.
Also I don’t get how Primarina did so bad since fairy resist fire, fighting and dark. The type that was mostly in the finale of the fight.
Edit- my bad, I meant water and fairy typing make Primarina resist fire, fighting and dark.
@@Bluejay575 fairy does not resist fire
@@Bluejay575 Fairy doesn't resist Fire, Fire resists Fairy
@@Bluejay575it's actually the other way around, fire resists fairy, although I think it woulda done better than it did since dark cancels it out and makes it neutral
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I think Serperior could at least get special mention for its contrary ability, which inverts stat increases and decreases. When paired with leaf storm (which normally reduces its special attack by 2 stages), it can repeatedly use a powerful grass move that keeps getting stronger with every use.
This has allowed it to dwell in OU for a few generations.
No, I'm not salty it only got a few seconds of screen time.
Join the Quaquaval fans, we are sad together, we got one bit together and nothing else ):
i am salty it got only a few seconds of screen time. doing my fav dirty like that 😭 could've given it a cooler death at least. oh well, hi quaquaval fans nice to meet you
Mad about quaquaval screentime too
At least there was some good gen v representation with Samurott but it sucks that Serperior and the Snivy line as a whole got shafted. Hopefully there will be a chance for redemption in a later battle royale.
Yeah, it was weird that it got wiped by a surf of all things considering lockstin reasoning as it has been good in OU since its ability came out and is very speedy for dodging attacks not to mention it resist both earthquake and surf so I at least expected a fire type to take it out.
I did want Decidueye/Incineroar to win but I have to admit the callback to Decidueye Infernape and Samurott fighting eachother is so funny
Swampert's my favorite Pokemon so while I knew he had no chance of winning because of the grass types, I was elated seeing him still get respected in having his own section of fighting against all the fire types. Thank you for doing my boy justice.
The fact that he held out for as long as he did is amazing in its own right. Also he was my first starter, so I'm a tad bias.
Strange how the Water Types killed each other so easily. But the fire types mostly survived blow for blow against each other
its called bias. bias is easier to convey, when you use strawman aguments in your explnation videos. and it worked out for the creator. like in war, there is no winners. and so does bias - there is no winners.
That’s what I was thinking… all those fire types survived an earthquake and surf at the end?
@@Pero-zl4jpIronically enough? Charizard being immune to earthquake makes it very realistic it'd survive. And if we use doubles/triples/battle royale (Thanks, Gen 7!) rules, spread moves having reduced damage means it's capable of tanking a surf or two as well. So it ends up being a fire type that can legitimately survive that onslaught. Give it (insert grass type move here) and... well... you'd know what'd happen.
yeah but every single water starter knows surf so they all should have used it
@@heat-seekingattackfrisbeem5878 no? Swampert is the only starter that learns surf. The other starters can only learn from hms
One thing missing was how none of the Pokemon started tearing up around Sobble when it started crying! Dex entries says Sobble's tears are hella pungent and makes anyone tear up around it when it cries, sad to see that detail missing here,,
Most around sobble were fire types so maybe thats why they couldnt cry?
That video was intense but u the animators didn't have to do cinderace this dirty💀
At 11:56 the ground typing of swampert doesn't add to its Fire resistance but it does allow it to use another type of move super effective against fire
similar thing happened to primarina with the fairy typing. doesn’t make it weaker to fire it just not super effective against them and against most of them it’s neutral so it’s not really important.
Also Torterra. It ain't neutral to fire
Decidueye losing in the exact same way THREE times is hysterical to me.
I feel obligated to point out that Grovyle is still alive in the future, outliving Blaziken, making Grovyle the winner
Out of bounds
@@joegamergaming is it tho?, i mean, we do have Palkia, Dialga and Arceus, i'm sure it count.
@@thien0300 In the first pokemon battle and in the megas they specifically mention that Machamp punching Tyranitar off the island in the only way to defeat it but as it is "out of bounds" he loses anyway. The legendary battle had exceptions since the domains of several pokemon include celestial bodies such as Lunala, Rayquaza, Palkia, and Arceus. Plus Giratina who in that battle they mention can ring out people instantly with the reverse world.
Really not sure how this blaziken survived two earth quakes and a surf… But oh well…
That whole thing about Pikachu "toughing it out", isn't that something every Pokemon can do in the games, or is it only because Partner Pikachu canonically has a trainer?
The Let's Go starter Pikachu (and Eevee) have a much higher, almost abnoxiously broken so, chance of doing it compared to the main game fair. Which is part of the joke of it just no-selling being KOed for so long.
I noticed you’d brought up that Ground resists Fire a couple times, but that actually isn’t true! Though it would make sense, Ground is super effective against fire, but Fire is neutral to Ground. Still doesn’t change that much, that just gives the fire types a better chance lol
But I figured I’d point it out just in case it would ever be of help in the future, or for anyone watching!
This the comment I was looking for.
I always thought ground resists fire, the more you know ig
I think it’s weird you say Water doesn’t have much going for it because it’s one of the best defensive types in the game right next to steel and is one of the most popular terra types for that reason. Sure, it doesn’t have a lot of resistances but that just means you can count on not taking that much from literally everything but grass/electric
He’s also just flat out wrong about most of the pokemons tiering lmao
@@SuperTurboPOPyeah
@@dustin202saying charizard is ou or ubers is definitely drogas
Yo water bois wassup my guy
@@theschnozzler Only in gen 3. 6 and 7 IF you count the megas which we probably shouldn’t. Also wtf does he mean Pikachu was OU lol
12:06
“ The little HID-IHIBIGIBIMSIDO-Ihdjjdjki *Radom squeaking noises* Sobble, That’s his name, couldn’t remember”
-Terminal, 2023
I knew my boy Typhlosion wasn't gonna' win, but I was happy with the sheer amount of carnage both formes caused.
Poipole being in the beginning made me smile, I frequently use that dex entry as evidence that we need a game set in Ultra Space where you start with a Poipole.
Please for the love of God. I have been saying an Ultra Recon Squad spinoff would be amazing.
issue is such a game would likely require an all-new pokemon roster if you set it into ultra space (and least until the player reaches the main pokemon dimension)
Pokémon Legends: Necrozma?
I’ve been saying that as well, but should definitely take more of a horror turn considering the entries of many of the ultra beasts. Could definitely be a step from the formula but still be enjoyable I’d like to think.
@@thorveim1174 True, but my God, wouldn't that be awesome? Dozens of new Ultra Beasts! Maybe even some pre-evos for existing ones- Buzzwimp, a Bug-type that evolves into Buzzwole upon learning Bulk Up... Zapling, an Electric-type that evolves into Xurkitree when a Thunder Stone is used... Celeseeda, a Steel/Ground-type that evolves into Celesteela upon learning Growth... Hell, they could do "regional" forms. I have this idea for Ultranian Gulpin and Swalot, Dark-types. And Ultranian Swalot would evolve into Guzzlord upon learning Dragon Pulse.
Skeliderge is an amazing blaziken counter. Its typing resisting its stabs and having access to unaware makes it real well with blaziken.
Too bad it got cooked too early
Blaziken has A LOT of coverage though, including stone edge. And seeing it has speed boost, just protect first turn then stone edge on the second and its done
at most it might last longer in a 1v1 but blaziken would still out speed it normally and when it come down to even footing the pokemon that out speeds wins. other wise pikachu would have won with blaziken weaken and we all don't want that win.
@@DrampieRobinif we use lockstins on logic than we only using level up moves meaning blaziken probs wouldnt get very far saying alot of its strong suits arent in natural movepool
The random chance of not dying Pikachu has could technically be on every single pokemon due to friendship values
Pikachu also got the held item, Light Ball, while Eevee was looking for evolution stones.
I just realized how similar Blaziken and Quaquaval are. Both are Fighting-type birds with exactly 120 base Attack that can be good sweepers. Both can use Bulk Up/Sword Dance and have a way to boost their speed (Blaziken with Speed Boost and Quaquaval with Aqua Step)
Wasted chance to make an unexpected final Battle between fighting bird starters (not Decidueye). I would have been way better than more Pikachu and Charizard screen time.
(Also a missed chance to draw Quaquaval properly and not only his ass, being devoured by freaking Serperior)
Yeah, I'd love to see a duel between not just Blaziken and Quaquaval, but also Hisuian Decidueye because they're all part Fighting-type bird starters.
@@Mepicanloscojones82 As someone who's favorite is actually Serperior, I must say those two got a really bad representation in comparison to the other starters. They both only really appeared for 1 short scene, when both would have been really interesting to watch in action. Quaquaval for his unique typing and fighting style, and Serperior for his really good hidden ability and OU usage.
@@Mepicanloscojones82 The only good-looking quaquaval is a dead-looking quaquaval.
I'm still confused as to why Delphox was eliminated by falling into the crack caused by earthquake. It is able to see into the future to tell what happens and has access to psychic. You even mentioned Delphox's ability to see into the future based on their origin...
Delphox ain't popular nor competitively viable, so, as much as it contradicts it's own origin lore, it was going to lose.
Which made me really annoyed, especially since le grass monke survived.
The priority is gaming, followed by lore then TCG, game wise....Delphox is on the weak end of the power scale
I don't think they were complaining about it losing, just the way it lost didn't make sense.
The interesting thing is that in the original video Delphox was in the top 10 pokemon of winning it so they must've considered it somewhat. I just find it interesting their reasoning isn't explained.
@@GuidingLightAngelRillaboom's grassy terrain halves the damage from the move earthquake specifically, and it resisted it.
Delphox's future sight might have been inactive due to the... herbs around it lol
I get that a lot of it is subjective and just having fun but...
Incineroar (Fire/Dark) taking a hit and then suplexing Primarina (Water/Fairy) into oblivion is certainly a take.
Lockstin and Terminal did our girl dirty. 😔
TBF, Incineroar's gimmick in Smash is getting hit and just murdering things with Revenge, and they clearly pulled from that with how they killed Primarina
I'm both incredibly saddened but also completely understand why neither Decidueye or Skeledirge didn't win. Either way both videos were super fun to watch.
I knew none of the gen nine or legendary Arceus versions where not gonna do good they don't have that much info on them compared to like Charizard who has many entries inteleon did better than I expected he has only like three games with entries
Those are my favorite starters too! I also love sceptile
I don't really see where Primarina's fairy typing hinders it, fairy is resisted by fire but not weak to it. Defensively, it would actually wall the fire/fighting mons while maintaining super effective water and neutral fairy moves on offense.
Neutral fairy moves? Fire resists fairy, not neutral. Additionally, the fire types have other options too. Charizard has flying, Hisuian Typhlosion and Skeledirge have ghost, etc. Sure, none of them are explicitly super effective, but Primarina isn't exactly bulky, and water type or not, it's not surviving long
It's neutral against the Fire/Fighting pokémon. @@juubi249
yeah idc if it wins but having it taken out by the one mon that is not effective against water or fairy is crazy lol. have it die to a venusaur or something
Similar with Swampert. It doesn't super resist fire type moves, like the video says. Fire is neutral against ground. Swampert just has a 2nd way to hit the fire types for super effective damage.
@@bobbob-iv4wei mean it's not effective but primarina in the lore uses it's voice to attack and throat chop just removes that entirely so it makes sense that incineroar kills it
Honestly surprised Incineroar didn’t get mentioned much for competitive considering it’s one of the best VGC Pokémon ever made
he looked up the pokemons rank on showdown wich ranks pokemon based off there single battle capability's
incineroar is a VGC staple and there for more geared for double battles
I know right? It could be argued that Incineroar was more impactful to VGC than Blaziken was in singles.
Incineroar appeared on almost 74% of teams last time it was legal in VGC and was by far the most common pokemon, and this was a format that allowed Two Legendaries per team.
zzz
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydudeWoulda been cool then to see Incineroar match with someone, maybe Swampert for type matchups? Dunno, would've been cool but I love Blaziken I'm delighted with what we got.
Yeah, inci is OU daddy
Pikachu almost winning through bias is just flat out funny
Pikachu should have beat Blaziken I think it would have been funny
Im just glad Swampert, Chesnaught and Emboar made it quite far
Happy for you man, my fave got bodied by the Zard, twice.
@@jacobspicer4470 Damn, was it typhlosion?
@@jacobspicer4470same bro
I personally was hoping for a Delphox win, but I can't lie, Blaziken winning made me pop off.
I love delphox but it seems she’d rather chill with the grass types haha
@@Nico_2202 she was lookin real badass holding off that earthquake tho
i'd like to chill with grass types too
Oh silly lockstin the video isnt out yet
Yeah lol
It is now
The funny part is I understood the pikachu joke immediately when I saw the balloons, and I actually thought it would be a comedy win
You did all of this for indiscriminate violence and pissing off PETA. I like this
The Grovyle time gear scene almost made me shed a tear
He didn't win but damnit he survived
He should've been the one to get swampert out of the game rather than the already dead rillaboom
He had no time for fights. He had to go find his best friend
Just having Swampert(my favorite Pokémon starter line) be shown as the possible powerhouse it can be made me happy, if only it wasn’t for those meddling grass types i believe it could’ve been 2nd and with luck win(it resists Blaziken and well the gen 3 rivalry would be too much to pass up,and the ground typing gives it immunity to pikachu)
except Pikachu could still hit ground types because anime logic :P
Swampert is for sure one of the best starters there is and my favorite water tipe but really one grass move and 99% of the time is dead.
@@gamerx3071Hit it on the gills pikachu ⚡️ !!!
Truth is Blaziken wins only because of the gifts Game Freak gave it after its generation.
Infernape , Swampert , Venusaur , Empoleon , Feraligatr , Blastoise , Incineroar , Greninja were all much better individually built in their introducing generations.
Even Mega Charizard X cannot do anything to Mega Speed Boost Blaziken.
Yes swampert is my favorite starter too! I’m glad he had a strong run though I am still salty he didn’t win. I think he’d have beaten pikachu even with plot armor, blaziken and charizard for sure. Sadly he was taken out cheaply by a grass monkey from the abyss
I want to remark that the "your Pokémon just ignored being knocked out" was already on sixth gen, so ORAS Blaziken could have done it too.
A miscalculation I noticed is that Flower Trick is NOT A BOMB, and therefore Chesnaught’s Bulletproof wouldn’t work and it should have died to Meowscarada’s Flower Trick!
252+ Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught on a critical hit: 53-63 (13.9 - 16.5%) -- possible 7HKO
If we assume meowscarada hits the lowest rolls, it would take 8 flower tricks to kill the chesnaught (13.9% x 7 hits = 97.3%). Meowscarada in the video hit around 6 flower tricks, so even the highest rolls wouldn’t have killed.
I just assumed because he resisted it while terra was neutral to it.
@@ayoutubechannel6045damn bro pulled out the calcs😂
Love it
The only analysis mistake was claiming that Torterra and Swampert's ground typing resist fire. They are super effective against fire but, they don't resist it. Swampert's water typing still helps.
@@luissuazo3684 That's not true either.
If I remember correctly, it used to resist fire during Gen 3 through 4? I think it was a type that was changed to lose some resistance like steel did losing its resistancetk ghost and dark. So, the answer is yes AND no.
@@seanmurphy4270 You're remembering wrong, ground never resisted fire.
@@edmanbosch7443 fair.
@@seanmurphy4270you're probably thinking about rock since people consider Geodude ad Onix Ground types and just use that as a basis
Gotta love how Blastoise and Inteleon can kill other water types with resisted water type moves, but most fire types just shrug off a massive fiery explosion unscathed, as well as Rillaboom apparently...
If water is such a good defensive typing, why was Swampert the only one to outlast the others, while fire types hardly had any casualties until the end? I'm pretty sure more water types killed each other than grass types did.
One simple reason, Ground. The type is insane, and while not only giving it an electricity immunity, it gives it a huge 4x resistance to fire. The only issue with it is thta it's 4x weak to grass... Ouch
@@HotCocoa1.mp4Ground doesn't resist Fire. The type interaction between Fire and Ground is one way, Fire type takes extra damage from Ground moves.
they said fire got bonus points for its over the top competitive meta defining Pokémon presence, pay attention! don't let the animation itself sway you, the animation is simply a method of traversing towards the final 1v1, the reasoning given in this video is quite sound, even if my favorite grassy boys got rolled over i have to accept their sound logic.
also swampert has highest BST out of all starters so that might be why
@@dakooie5682 water is still considered one of the best types in the game. Fire is generally considered a pretty mid type due to its rock weakness making it struggle against rock slides that used to be super common in doubles and weak to stealth rock which has held back the typing in singles since gen 4. The reasoning was literally just bias tbh.
Some of this felt over exaggerated and some info was wrong. For one, water/fairy is an amazing typing and resists both fighting/fire stabs. Ground isn’t resisted by fire, only rock unfortunately. Blaziken also is a great Pokémon but it was UUBL gen 8 since it ran out of firepower that let it reign terror and had more checks to it. Charizard has been OU and was relatively good gens 1-3, but it hasn’t been the best since stealth rock and modern Pokémon has it left in NU or lower.
Charizard shouldn't have been there in the end but I still think Blaziken probably would've gotten there
Realistically, Partner Eevee would dominate if allowed to use all of it's moves like anime Pokemon. It has access to dual screens, status cleanse, guaranteed paralyze and burn, stat reset, a 90bp drain and leech seed, none of its status moves can be taunted. Only Fairy can't be hit super effectively by it. It has the same friendship plot armor as Partner Pikachu. OH! And it has the ability to break 400 in every stat at the same time making it stronger than Arceus. Partner Eevee wasn't defeated by Muddy Water, it simply waits for a worthy challenger.
Partner Eevee wanted to evolve and not to win.
it didn't actually, like near the end before partner pikachu took out charizard, you could see the partner eevee stuck in the mud and blaziken just crushing it, poor eevee, didn't deserve to be crushed by the giant chicken
A Very *Low Kick...*
Unfortunately, *Let's Go! Eevee's* Loss came through not the Games, but the Anime, as _it's Canonically the Same Eevee Partnered with Chloe in the Journeys Season,_ whereas *Let's Go! Pikachu* is presumably _Ash's Pikachu,_ and thus is also *Ash-Cap Pikachu!*
Having _the Personality Quirks of Chloe's Eevee added to it_ is what led it to *be Obsessed with Evolution,* and what caused all of its Troubles in this Simulation. Otherwise, it might've been in a Similar Seating to *Let's Go! Pikachu* - though it may still have Fallen due to picking a Fight with something it couldn't Handle, _possibly being Defeated even Earlier because of such..._
*Let's Go! Pikachu* doesn't have any of those Issues, however, as gaining _the Status of being Ash's Pikachu_ would only make it *Even More OP, Gaining 10 Million-Volt Thunderbolt and Immeasurable Plot Armour such that it wasn't Feasible to include this Information in the Simulation!* As the *Let's Go! Games* didn't involve Ash from the Anime, but _the Game Series' Original Protagonist, Red,_ the Removal of the Anime Data for this Pikachu makes Sense, too...
I really wanted the starter Pikachu and Eevee fight over a Thunderstone, only to realize that neither could use it lol
I really wanted patner eevee to win :(
Fun fact, ground type actually doesnt resists fire, fire actually hits ground type for neutral damage
Yeah, I don't know why that keeps being mentioned in various videos. It's probably just to provoke comments.
I was wheezing the entire time that Decidueye was being beaten down (knowing fine well that it was a meme almost ripping the first Royale's footage wholesale, ironically making it funnier) and *especially* the Pikachu tanking scene. The fact that it just stayed at 1 HP the entire time.
Then lost because it nodded.
It just killed me man
Y'know, you say you take VGC into consideration for this, but I feel like VGC consideration would result in, like, twice as much Incineroar. I know it gets its own section, but that feels more like Smash Bros than VGC. I'd love a quick gag where it shows up, slaps an enemy Pokemon around, then plays Engineer's "And another thing: you're ugly." before leaving. Perfect representation of the best pokemon to ever curse VGC.
Something I remembered, I actually think Typhlosion could have a really good chance, it’s Pokédex entry says it can burn anything to cinders and it also has Flash Fire which means it would be immune to the other fire types attacks.
I think this would have looked better visually too. cuz i didn’t understand he was creating the explosion from the animation. after the explosion he’s just lying there on his back perfectly unharmed.
Blaziken,Infernape and Emboar were throwing hands not fire most of the time
Tbh greninja should've also gotten a bit further, the protean ability would be invaluable to countering all the fire fighting types since it gets access to extrasensory, and could counter grass with ice beam or acrobatics. Although with the amount of love the final three get across the board I get why greninja wouldnt make it
If not for charizard 😔
Protein did get nerfed in gen 9
Extrasensory isn't a move it learns by Level-up, and only level-up moves were included in this theoretical.
@@CaptainDCap It learns extrasensory at level 49 in every gen it's in dude
Protean was nerfed in gen 9, soooo, pretty dang useless.
Delphox being the only psychic type besides Espeon and a clairvoyant Fox mage didn't get much screentime as it deserves (painfully poetic) but the Pikachu v Blaziken finale was worth it
i only play certain rom hacks now and most of them include a few major starter changes, sceptile/serperior becoming grass/dragon, emboar becoming fire/ground, samurat water/fighting, and sometimes feraligator as water/dark. i think a lot of these make sense and it’s a shame it’s not real
I love how he doesn't any explanation as to how Rillaboom managed to pop out of the earthquake pit, he just was an excuse to kill swampern
He can summons grassy terrain with his ability, which halves earthquake damage while healing himself
@@edgarveron8309 yeah but not after getting blown up and lit on fire lmao.
@@edgarveron8309Also in previous battle royals it was explained that he uses his drums to summon the vines, which he no longer had.
Add to that that ground is already half effective due to typing, and grassy terrain on top.. Wouldn't explain why rillaboom climbed up, but it's probably that fact