Stephen A. & Shannon Sharpe ADDRESS Darvin Ham’s Lakers firing: Blame game?! | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe join Christine Williamson to talk in-depth about Darvin Ham’s firing with the Los Angeles Lakers and how having 10 head coaches impacts LeBron James’ legacy.
0:00 Should Darvin Ham have been fired?
3:00 LeBron and AD didn’t believe in Ham?
3:40 Shannon SOUNDS OFF
7:15 The bottom line…
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The dumbest thing every championship LeBron team has done was trade the players that won them the championship. They'd still be winning had they kept Dwight, Caruso, KCP, etc.
No they wouldn't. Lebron's last 3 titles he wasn't even supposed to win. He was never gonna have a dynasty in cleveland or la.
every championship team? the lakers are the only team to do that lol what are u talking about
@@universe-ie2mk Facts!
@@universe-ie2mkhow you not suppose to win but do? This logic is pure stupidity 🤣
Lebron is a black hole
do these guys even watch the game? Darvin ham only used google quotes as his gameplan. get him outta her😂
Inconsistencies aren't consistent with winning championships
Rob is definitely to blame, didn’t do anything at the trade deadline too
@@appetizerssushi7121ya but to think darvin ham isn’t to blame at all is stupid he’s not a good head coach for L A let him go coach charlotte
no g, they don’t. they turn on laker games and only pay attention to lebron james and anthony davis.
lol didn’t know you was on the team clown
Was the firing of Max Kellerman BS?
Do me a favor..say the word "OHIO" out loud in the mirror.. then hold the pose..
I can now guarantee your face looks like an old fashioned original glazed donut
👏👏
Good one 😅
Lmao savage 😂😂😂
No it wasn’t best thing that could’ve happened max got himself fired from ESPN after having his own show and radio pod
Pat Riley himself said Bron never said even once about anything related to firing Spo ever. But here we are running with same story for years. Its a joke at this point.
Idk how that happened all Bron and Wade asked was for Riley to coach again.
Ya because Pat Riley is a professional and knows to keep personal team matters in the Locker room and not out in the media.
@@DoubleDash28 Tf are you talking about? He was going off on his press conference earlier nobody was safe from him even Spo.
I guess winning the in season tournament isn't worthy of keeping your job. LOL
You didn’t watch Lakers games if you think Darvin Hamm’s a good coach. With that being said idk who they expect to replace him, all the good coaches are tied up for next year.
Nobody’s a good coach under lebron. It’s a cycle blame blame blame
Reddick wouldnt be my first choice, but at least he seems intelligent, unlike Dopey Darvin
lol
@@PraisestoYahSpo and Lue vehemently disagree
Praises to yah liked his own comment 😅
@@Nostalgia9478Lmao 🤣 😂 JJ Reddick..
Ham should’ve never been the coach. Bottom line.
What did he do that was so bad?
Didn't use his time outs, doesnt make adjustments, doesnt run enough plays. Doesnt take accountability. Passive aggressive with his own players in the media.@@QuanPookie
Facts that was a stupid decision he wasn’t ready!
@@ramdankamil4137 What adjustments?
Sounds like a scapegoat
People not wanting Darvin to be fired are the one who want to continue to see the lakers suck! Plain n simple!
Ar last someone else sees it
That's crazy. About to be 10 coaches in 21 years. Basically a new head coach every 2 years 🤯😂
That's true but the n b a is totally different now. You can win the championship and get fired Two years later.
@@1990758 True!! Or even win coach of the year and get fired.
Edit... It's like that now because the players have more power than they ever had. When Jordan was playing even after a 3 Peat and winning his 6th ring he couldn't save Phil Jackson's job. Now Gianni's can hold up a roster spot for his brother when we have more qualified players that aren't in the league yet/anymore.
@@DOHCtorMiguelgiannis can get a coach fired that’s 30-13 on pace to win coach of the year but still got fired mid season and ruined their season
@@1990758 which part of "21 years" did you not understand. This has been an ongoing problem for TWO DECADES with this crybaby diva. Can't wait to have his name taken off the nba records when he's found guilty of being a steroid abuser.
Lebron don’t like Ham. AD don’t like Ham. Lakers fan don’t like Ham. I think that’s enough to get him fired lol
Hush
If LeBron doesn't like him that's more than enough
Game 4 i've never seen lebron go beserk on a coach for that not calling a challenge .
@@GeorgeSmiley2023 for sure. I was going to write but didn’t want to deal with the LeBron haters
Get ‘em some Turkey 👌🏻
SAS, didn't he say Ham deserved to be fired in another segment? The dude went 1-15 against the Nuggets.
Exactly lol
With the roster Rob Pelinka and LeBron left/ gave to him
8:03 UNC HELLA FUNNY 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"At some point in time, there comes a point in time!" 🤣
All this fake outrage around Darvin being fired so SURELY he’ll be hired immediately, its clear as day most of the ESPN folks didn’t watch the Laker games only highlights and stat sheets
Exactly
Exactly this, we'll see what happens next in relation to Ham!
Exactly. I watched every game they played this year in full... and he was terrible. It took him literally half the season before he knew his best starting 5. He wouldn't use timeouts to stop opponents going on runs. Half the time the Lakers weren't even running plays. He deserved it, and the comments here prove it. Nobody thinks he's a great coach...
💯
It's also clear as day that you don't win championship by continuing firing coaches. Lebron wanted Erik Spolestra fired too. Had the Heat done that Lebron would likely be with 2 less rings.
Is so obvious Stephen A didn’t watch the games at all. He literally didn’t know how to keep a rotation. Didn’t know when to use his challenges or timeouts. Waited until Denver was down 4 to call a time out up by 20. He literally didn’t know what to do
lebron probably got him fired
@@josiahgarcia7624LeFlop 85% part of the problem..
So please apply as LAL’s next coach. Let’s see what you can do about LeDIVA.
No he didn't do what you wanted him to do... you clowns with this revisionist history.. now he don't know what he doing u ppl clowns mans...
Not to mention game 5 we were up 10 in the 3rd. DEN makes a run. I’m screaming call a timeout as the lead dwindles 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Tie -3…now he calls a timeout. Bruh I wanted to slap him through the screen. We’ve been dealing with that BS for 2 years. Media pays attention to the big time games but he did that vs everybody. Even the games vs the “nobodies”
Lakers should hire Bob Meyers, which would lure Klay at least on the FA market to join LA too
Shannon doing the magic johnson impersonation had me dying 🤣🤣💀
Timestamp??
It sounds to me like Stephen A gives the coach all the credit and the players all the blame. It is clear Ham is a friend to the majority of these tv personalities. I don’t remember hearing any of this when Vogel was let go
Weird his energy is different for vogal fr
Ham is a "brother" to SAS. Vogel is not.
Not gonna lie bro they did pitch a stink when Vogel was let go but not as much.
I'm not sure why Steven is still on TV, he has as much credibility as me or you or any other random person... Plenty of others who actually have credibility to talk about this matter.
Vogel's firing was upsetting as well
I think Darvin Ham is better suited as an assistant HC, I do think there were stretches where he seemed lost as a HC. Rotations, not calling a timeout and controlling the flow of the game, etc. Do I think he deserved to be fired? No, the Lakers roster is a mess, so what's another HC going to do? One more year, and then blow it up.
he’d be a good g league coach where he has no pressure
Rob & Jeanie blowing the meeting with Ty is why we're here. How do you refuse to allow him to choose hos coaching staff and low ball him on salary? Unbelievable! 😂
Darvin Ham has always been the assistant coach. Everybody knows who the real coach is......
This is his first full season and you have already drawn that conclusion?
The Lakers hanged the in-season tournament banner.
That means they are proud of it.
Who lead them there?
Who took over late last season after LeBron got the other coach fired and lead them to Western Conference Finals?
Sure he’s not perfect but for a rookie head coach getting fired from a dude who has a history of firing all his coaches (or at least trying), you’re irrational
Forget Lebron, no one on this Lakers team is stepping up to the plate for Ham. That says it all there.
SAS didnt mind vogel getting canned.
Right!
so SAS didn't see the video of Ham in the full timeout, not saying a word, writing all the players names, erases and leaves?
I’m tired of the media talking about this, he lost the locker room, his rotations were bad, he didn’t know how to manage timeouts, and he didn’t know how to adjust game to game, you’re playing Gabe and Spencer at the same time when they both can’t give you anything on offense, in the middle of the season he benches Dlo and Reaves to start Reddish and Vando who have no offensive output, I don’t wanna hear it, he wasn’t the guy!
The biggest problem with his rotations was having Lebron in them.
Facts! Who pushed for him to get hired anyway.
Look at the hand he was dealt
@@flow2speak88 Lebron bragged about the in season tournament and said injuries throughout the season hampered the Lakers while also passive aggressively taking shots at his teammates and the coaching. Seems folks are having a tough time sticking to a narrative.
If he and all the rest of the coaches were so Bad then why did they hire him? Who's responsible for that. Who's responsible for Westbrook? If you pick horrible then you have to blame yourself and say that you suck at selecting good people.
there’s nobody more loyal than stephen A is to his hairline
U mean unloyal
@@jasonharris8099 nah he’s loyal to his hairline cuz a lot of people have flame him for his hairline and he’s still sticking with it
His forehead is bigger than my 60" flat-screen!!! 😂
A hairline joke? Really, dude, stop
Bro got that Pennywise IT clown hairline 😂😂😂
Labum dont like to be coached because he is the greatest mind the game has ever seen
You sound mad
Now these media members are actually pissing me off. Darvin Ham was not a championship coach, they got those accomplishments in spite of him, they should not have been a 7&8 seed. Their personnel was lacking and we all agree that was a major part but you playing Schroeder, AR, Lonnie, DLO together against Denver, you win the IST then decide let me start Cam Reddish and Taurean Prince and go from top 4 in the west to 2-10 fighting for an 8 seed. You lead all games against Denver and bled every lead without making adjustments or calling timely timeouts. I could type a thesis on his malpractice FOH
Rob Pelinka is 🗑️ and continues to fire coaches to save himself
It was a good fire darvin was trash
@@bretttotuffyour missing the whole point… DARVIN IS TRASH HE GOT FIRED PELINKA IS TRASH YET HE STILL…
this never gets brought up. he is a horrible gm. lakers fans are so delusional
But we praise him with the additions this year .. we ain’t forget
Facts
Magic picked Lonzo & Lebron picked Westbrook.
Bingo
Lonzo would have been fine after he acclimated
Magic picked LeBron too
Lonzo hasn’t played in 3 years
@@BlkHueHef which is a byproduct of him being traded in the first place. While healthy before getting hurt we saw his capabilities on display, Lakers could have had that.
It has to be seamless from GM to coach to players. GM has to give the coach players that fit his system strengths, and the coach has to give players a system that fits their strengths and the players have to perform to their strengths. We always think about how well the players and coach mix....but we rarely think about how well the GM and coach mix. There's things that should go on between them that we don't even think about enough to ever criticize.
“Darvin Ham should not have been fired!” - How to say you don’t know basketball or actually watch lots of basketball games without saying you don’t know basketball or actually watch lots of basketball games.
Lakers won the in-season tournament. Ham was literally a championship coach this season. All that promotion down the toilet by the Lakers franchise. bwahahahahaha
You should watch basketball. It’s great. You’ll like it.
The real problem is Rob Pelinka. Dude just can’t team build and has skated by criticism for years. It’s crazy he still has a job.
Y’all said he had the best offseason but now he doesn’t know how to build a team….
I never knew he was Kobe's Referral. It means a lot lol.
@@mrgetitdone85espn don't speak for us
@@mrgetitdone85 I’m not a Lakers fan
@@mrgetitdone85 I also thought their offseason was trash
They obviously don’t watch the games. I bet they don’t even know that Ham started a lineup of Cam, Prince, Vando, Lebron, AD.
Lakers win: Ham gets no credit
Lakers lose: Ham gets blamed
Toxic franchise, toxic city, toxic fanbase
@@Vito_Caligiuri It wasn't all on him but he obviously struggled with his personnel and reading in-game scenarios. You would only see it watching the actual games.
He never won???? Biggest accomplishment was getting wafflestomped by denver last year
@@jamespinkney189 and who’s to say I wasn’t watching the games? Because I have a different opinion than you?😂
THANK YOU ! i said it months ago he should’ve been fired after that lineup
just based on players stats? what about the intangibles such as managing timeouts and using challenges when needed and drawing up plays after timeouts?
This narrative is ridiculous and I’ll never trust ESPN analysts anymore without seeing it myself. They are completely wrong about Ham
How to say "Fire Rob Pelinka" without really saying "Fire Rob Pelinka". :😂
Man couldn’t even call a timeout😒
They didn't have a timeout to call.....You just talking because you have lips
And even when he did, they hardly ever drew up some easy actions to get guys easy buckets and get in rhythm
So a timeout would’ve changed the outcome?
Shut up meg
One timeout for him fired? Shush
Come on bruh, we literally watched this man purposely put Rui on Jokic for 30+ mins and watched him get cooked (not Rui's fault).
LeFlop is part of the problem.. 3 coaches in 7 seasons.. 🤔
Place your Bets.. Place your Bets... We all in on it but let's play stupid....
@@JamesLee-nw8kzhow many chip he won them okay
Who else was gonna guard him??? lol Lakers don't have defenders not named Vanderbilt
@@gloryroad7452one, and there will always be an asterisks around it.
No Playoffs/Finals was ever in an environment like 2020.
Players literally said they didn’t want to be there.
Its alright, Doc is available now 😂😂😂😂
Bron be deporting coaches😂
Lol😂
These people clearly didn't watch every Lakers games the players on the Lakers were sick and tired of Darvin Hamburger 🍔 not making the right adjustments waiting until the team is down double digits to call a TO. He lost the locker room months ago the players realized that that he does favorites on this team and the players were sick of it smh 🤦
So what adjustments should he have made?
@@QuanPookie smh 🤦
@@QuanPookieyou clearly didn't watch every Lakers game smh 🤦
Darvin had to go💯
LeFlop 85% part of the problem..
Why?
@@QuanPookieyou can't be serious smh
When do we look at the GM?
Right!!!
Unc's glasses are merging with the zoom/skype background 😅🤣
if Lebron had his way in Miami if you remember, he wanted Erik Spoelstra fired but Pat Riley said to Lebron, you're just the player. You're not the coach, Erik is the guy. That would've been 10 head coaches for Lebron if he had his way in Miami.
thats a true fact if lebron had his way erik would possibly get fired if they didnt go to the finals
@@josiahgarcia7624 Pat Riley said he wanted him gone after just 17 games into his 1st year at Miami. That's insane!
@@KickItToTheKingexactly!! If Pat Riley ain’t put his foot down who knows where Spo would be now.. everyone wants to blame everyone else but lebron
Yall love telling half the story
@richdrb tell the rest of the story then
Darvin Ham sucks. Even though he is respectable at coaching in the playoffs, he is horrible at coaching in the regular season. My Lakers can't afford to be in the 7th or 8th seed every season. Bron deserves a more competent coach than Ham.
LeFlop 85% part of the problem.. 4 coaches in 7 season with the Lakers..
@@JamesLee-nw8kzyour an idiot dude you don’t know anything about basketball go root for your charlotte hornets loser
And what about the guy who hired darvin😂
You’re a LeBron fan not a lakers fan. I can tell by your comment 😒
And what we’re going to do when they had to go against the nuggerts or wolves 😂 they went making It past the second round
Fire every coach that didn’t make the playoffs then. Darvin Ham is the target of discrimination
Steven A face when unc agreed is like when you ask the parents to go outside with friends not expecting a yes and end up with one 😂😂
- priceless
Have they watched ham struggling to draw up a play as players are looking at him? Or keeping hands in pockets as the lakers get battered
Lol iv also seen pelinka struggling but yah seem to forget that
You're a complete idiot if you think LeBron runs plays his coaches calls...he could call the greatest play ever but if steroid man wants to run the LeBron system guess what system they're running...the LeBron system
Pelinka isn’t on the court
Exactly
What is Unc talking about. Darvin wasn’t the coach when we traded for Westbrook. Vogel was and that’s part of the reason why he got fired. He couldn’t make it work with dude and lost the locker room in the process.
Westbrook did play under ham for a season tho
@iamjamesmeeks Shannon off the henny, he’s literally trying to create a narrative that personnel decisions entirely go through the best players on the team. It’s mentioned to them but the GM always has the final say, if they chose to make a bad decision that also falls on the Gm. Also the lonzo ball statement he made he tried to blame them getting lonzo ball as a Lebron/Ad decision when they weren’t even on the team at the time. Infact, the lakers traded lonzo for AD which in hindsight was a great decision, given lonzo has been unplayable for 3 years now.
Yeah he’s saying ham didn’t want Westbrook, so therefore he shouldn’t be blamed for what happened last season before they finally got rid of him
@@andypbodybuilding he knew Westbrook was on the team when he took the job so I ain’t really tryna hear that as an excuse
@@kite36 exactly. Rob doesn’t have to listen to everything Bron/AD say. He didn’t listen when Bron asked for Ty Lue so why did you listen when it came to Westbrook
Stephen A making a fool of himself trying to sound Boston😅😅
Rob Pelin... KER😂😂
8:01 is the funniest meme 😂😂
Glad Darvin ham is gone. He couldn’t draw up a play to save his life. Never seen the lakers take a timeout then come out and make a decent play while he was around. Stephan A Smith don’t know what he talking about
Just like Luke Walton but yall never said anything then
@@Nightman12 What u talking about yes we did. 😭Walton was worse
WOAHHHH shots fired dude SHOTS FIRED
@@kararal9834 bull crap yall were making excuses yall wanted ham fired after one season and he went to the western conference finals. Racist assed fans smh
@@Nightman12 bruh ain't nobody racist 😭😭 ham couldn't draw a play for his life bro. If LeBron doesn't trust you your done for lol. Ham couldn't figure out a line up for anything bro was throwing the worst shi out there. There video evidence my guy . Your buying into LeBron drama. WHAT PLAY have you seen the Lakers run that even looks good. Other then LeBron and ad being who they are
Darvin Ham was clueless as a head coach. He never called time outs nor called plays. The team was never prepared. And his rotations and offensive/defensive schemes were dreadful. Ham deserved to be fired.
so clueless he won the inaugural in-season tournament, bwahahahahaha All that NBA promotion & the HC gets fired.
They fired Vogel the year after a championship lol
We gonna be hearing a lot of apologies next off season if they hire JJ Reddick, get a 3rd star, and then immediately win the title next year 😂
"Russell Westbrook got more flagrant fouls than points" 😂
One of the many times “bs” has come out of Stephen A’s mouth
They need to fire pelinka
Dwight did come out and say they should've never broke up that 2020 title team lol
This is.a wild segment
Why would anyone want that job? All the blame, no chance of winning a title. 10 coaches in 21 years is crazy
all Ham did was win the in season tournament then get terminated. bwahahahahaha -- all that BS talk about how great that stupid tournament was, LOL
There was a game 7 yesterday btw
yup! this show is just sports TMZ
So hold on, You are not blaming Jeanie and you're not blaming Bron. You're blaming Palinka who is stuck in the middle?
Remember when the Lakers won the In-Season tournament, celebrated like they won the NBA Finals, and even raised a banner? Good times.
so it shouldn't be celebrated?
They could celebrate all they want. For a franchise with a rich history and a current roster that can play, they seemed to peak and go all in on the tournament. A far cry from a few years removed from winning #17.
Lmao stop it
Had a healthy roster
I wouldn’t put all the blame on Ham but he clearly wasn’t a great coach when it came to adjustments and game management.
The nikka only been a coach 4 two years.. of course he's not great
@@modoe6619 You can’t be terrible or you ain’t lasting long in the NBA.
Surface level watchers. Context matters.
Lol so why doesn’t context matter when it comes to Rob pelinka and that front office…
@@Desnondbecause that’s apart of the context, but it doesn’t negate the fact that a large portion of the blame goes to Ham.
@@HydratedHero I think the root of your problems is the front office…guys hiring darvin
coaching differences between him and nuggets coach was palpable as a casual viewer. success post time outs, when to call time outs, response to game plan on diminishing leads, etc
Biggest difference is coaching experience
Darvin Ham won the 1st in season tournament and got fired lol 😂.
I think them trading away Caruso was one of the biggest components in the beginning of the Lakers' demise as champions
Well I think they're gonna trade away Is reeves.
They gave up on paul george years ago and he was only there a short time another bone head decision
Whats with all the outrage over Dopey Darvin getting fired? He was a HORRIBLE head coach who constantly made the WRONG decision
I didnt see this level of outrage when the Bucks fired Adrian Griffin midseason despite having a 30-13 record
Smh
I’ll tell you why… race
@@ghostfvce0Im pretty sure Darvin and Griffin are BOTH Black
lol
@@ghostfvce0idiot
@@Nostalgia9478 I’m saying that’s why it’s an “outrage” lol if this was Steve Nash people wouldn’t be bothered
Lebron runs the show look how many coaches went packing
Blinking 10 times in a second
Need a consistent power forward
Same criticisms you give Jerry Jones you got to give it to Jeanie buss Stephen a Smith and you don't do that
I think firing Frank Vogul was worst than this because he actually got the job done and still was fired
Best coach
Exactly. But I think a lot of these coaches get fired and get rehired. Except for mark jackson.
👏👏
@@1990758 right I believe Marc Jackson has been black balled in some way it makes no sense why he still ain’t found a coaching job yet
He lost the locker room lol
“Didn’t tell the broad”, 🤣
The only people upset by his firing are media people who personally know him or people who aren't fans of the lakers or coaches of other teams that have dominated him.
Why is lebron getting blamed for this??? Lebron wanted ty lue and the lakers didn't pursue him
Every 2 years lebron gets a new coach
Meat rider! 🤣😂
@@The-Real-One-Ty Lue would still be the coach of the Lakers today had he been hired in 2019
Context is KING
Because every 2 years he gets a new coach and still loses
@@The-Real-One- he's not the general manager
LeBalco James has fired more coaches than he has championships!!! Greatest achievement ever!!!
He also lives rent free in your mind.
keep crying
The return of "Rob Pelinker" 8:25 lol no idea how stephen A still calls him that
I just pick up something this morning and that was it 😭
Nah lebron Is always right, he knows best 👑🐐🌞
Yo dude definitely know how to lose you kids have low standards 😂
He was a rookie head coach when hired. Only two seasons as a head coach. Play in both team both years. Other coaches working with less
it literally took ham half the season to start the lineup that went to the west finals.
Management style of Lakers is very Dallas Cowboys like.
Stephen A doesn’t actually watch the games. His only basis is that they made the WCF last year lmao
Love how the moderator not unnecessarily interfere with this debate. Flawless show👍👍👍
Their regular season record, the rotations, the defense, the list goes on. He wasn’t a scrub as a coach but he wasn’t the guy for THAT job.
What about leaving AD in there with a dead arm just hanging there. Lol.
this entire segment deadass proves that neither one of these dudes watch lakers' games consistently
Tell me you're a Laker casual without telling me you're a Laker casual.
Mans literally said in the interview “idk what to do” against the nuggets you telling me that isn’t a problem?
Stephen A deadass doesn’t watch any of the games to say Darvin “absolutely” shouldn’t have been fired is blasphemy of the highest order.
Rob and Ham traded Russ, which have no idea why you jokers are bringing Russ into this to begin with, when the coach got fired for changing the starting lineup so much during the regular season, for poor game management, for not knowing how to draw up a play, etc…
Why are we still talking about the Lakers
Why is ESPN defending Ham like he’s an all time coach?
HOW U FIRE SOMEONE WHO MADE IT TO THE ECF WHEN NO OTHERS COACHES DID
The rotations were off due to injuries. Gabe Vincent was supposed to replace Shroder, who was crucial to their run last year. Vanderbilt got injured, who is their defensive wing.
Players must step up when needed, and Denver has had a great roster these last couple of years. This wasn't the match-up they required in the first round.
"Rob Pelinker"
When I saw LeBron throwing a fit yelling at Ham for not using a replay challenge I told my son he won't be there next year.
Paul Silas, Mike Brown, David Blatt, Luke Walton, Frank Vogel and Darvin Ham are Pat Riley all of a sudden. When did this happen?
Stephen A Smith looks like Gillie Da Kid
If your team changes coaches every two years, the problem is not the coach. It's others dodging accountability and scapegoating the coaches.
Their problem is the front office is run like an illegitimate mom and pop shop. Rob Pelinka is insanely unqualified.
Sound like unc speaking directly to Bron lol
My boy who's a through and through Lakers fan was telling me about how frustrating Rob Palinka is. Heck my boy said if he say Rob, he'd slap him. Now I'm understanding more.