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"This brings up an issue I have with the book... there wasn't much strategy in their plan" From what we know now of Russian military strategy, I'd say that was a pretty accurate prediction from Clancy
I disagree that it lacked strategy. You have to keep in mind the very limited objective of the invasion -- knocking out West Germany and destabilizing NATO so they could safely invade Iran, something they end up being unable to do because the war grinds on too long. They didn't want to attack the US mainland because of the nuclear implications of that, which they mention after the US strike on the Russian mainland. They wanted to fight a fast war based on the overwhelming superior numbers of their tank corps in Europe. Having Iceland under control would also buy time to prevent NATO reinforcement. So the whole thing hinged on speed--could they clear a path for the Iran invasion before the US got fully engaged? Turned out to be no, but it took a lot of little chances (like the survivors on Iceland) to "run out the clock" on them. Just because the strategy failed doesn't mean it didn't exist.
There were at least 15 Spetznaz missions planned, many were intercepted. One targeted the port of Hamburg and had a partial succes, one targeted a canal functioning as a supply line. Others that failed had NATO hq and comms as targets. Most groups were not able to report on succes or failure, so no follow-up action was made. That bit IS Russian, but they did start with strategy. They also had the entire Maskirovka planned to take Nato unprepared, and had planned to be done in three days like Ukraine. Well, maybe a few days more, but they DID plan for a real fast strike. After that they did the same as in Ukraine: keep pounding harder
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 And it all fell apart thanks to a middle age French Woman in a Sedan and a careless Spetnaz Major who didn’t know common road rules.
Yeah, the accuracy of Russian missiles isn't great. It took 18 missiles for the Russian navy to take out one bridge SW of Odessa...17 misses before one hit: 6% hit rate.
@@zimbabwesteve4620 And also capability. The Russian armed forces are riddled with corruption to the point that basically none of their naval fleets are viable military platforms and their air force can't even gain air superiority over Ukraine.
@@sonar357 And I wish we could have provided C-RAM to Ukraine to shoot down many more... Would still help right now to get more grain into Romanian ports.
"It seems a bit of an extreme solution, but it's a book." True, though that was basically the same rationale behind preemptive warfare initiated by Imperial Japan, so it's not THAT strange an idea.
To be fair, they would be most effective on the offensive. It was widely thought that Warsaw Pact countries could overwhelm Germany before the U.S. bring in any significant reinforcements. There really is no scenario where West Germany would survive. There's a possibility they could have taken France as well, but most likely the offensive would peter out in France. Of course the book assumes thy had enough forces to wage a 2 front war like that, which I doubt they could have done effectively. Not to mention they would still have to keep the East fortified against attack (though a secret treaty with China could have had them come into the war if they were attacked there- I'm talking fictional here).
@@JimmyMon666 one year later, we see that Russia has had some serious issues with corruption and while Ukraine is bigger then Western Germany, they would have had to fight in urban environment a lot more, likely against a load of militias Then again, the addition of the other Warsaw pact countries could have helped, especially the DDR forces would IMHO be quite efficiënt and least susceptible to corruption
@@JimmyMon666 But as Clancy pointed out, those ATGMs (though back then Milan and TOW) were quite effective in comparison. So as we see now since Feb 24th, those pre war planning assumptions might have been overly pessimistic; and that for good reason, how do you speed up procurement of more kit and tank divisions? By not underestimating your dictatorial, imperialistic adversary.
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I recommend the series of book Battlefield from the autor James Rosone, it's pretty much Red Storm Rising but with the geopolitics and the technologies of today
Not very realistic though. When Red storm came out, it was closer to reality, i was based in West Germany at the time. With the Soviet 3rd Army just down the road. Now its all Russia has to maintain a peace time army.
Just watched this video. I recall from the book that many Russian tanks were defeated by mobile AT teams using ATGMs to shoot-and-scoot. Incredibly similar to the NLAW and Javelin use early in war. Also, NATO went after Russian supplies using the secret stealth aircraft in the book, while Ukraine used HIMARS with similar effect.
The reason that the Soviet Union did not attack command and control locations in the novel was because of propaganda reasons. Their claim that their attack of West Germany was a preemptive defensive attack wouldn't be believable (even though it _wasn't_ believable in the first place) if they attacked C&C locations. In the novel, this political decision was widely criticized by the military leaders.
There WAS a plan to attack NATO C&C sites, Commo sites and ports: it was a Spetznaz mission, that was thwarted when one of the Spetznaz commanders was hit by a motor vehicle while picking up written orders. He is interrogated and reveals some of the information about the plans, which gives NATO security forces and critical opportunity to sound the alarm and be more prepared for the attacks. Clancy talks about the war opening in a series of small unit pitched battles between security forces and Spetznaz commandos-some successful in their missions, but most attacks are repelled. This also allows NATO to launch the "frizbees" on a preemptive strike on key Warsaw Pact supply hubs and bridgeheads as the war begins.
@@bluewavechris Yes, but they're also lower value targets. They're not going after the high level nodes outside of Germany in order to maintain the masquerade.
The Soviets had no qualms in attacking and going after the Hungary and Czechoslovakia leadership in their invasions of those countries in 1956 and 1968, even though they were helping fellow socialist countries. I assume that the Soviets, hypothetically didn't attack command and control targets, because the US, France, UK could had easily attack and destroy command control targets in the Soviet Union. The US did try to put taps on the communication lines near the Soviet Union Military Headquarters..
RSR is my favorite Clancy novel, and I've read most of the originals. That reminds me, from 2nd to 6th grade, I turned in the same book report (The Hunt for Red October). Got an A every year. Good times. 🤣
That book is SO GOOD. I wish he wrote more like it, imo it felt like nothing he wrote Red October really hit the same quality. I tried reading Bear and the Dragon afterwards and it was almost offensively bad
@@RaidsEpicly Luckily, I didn't read RSR first, or I would've been mildly disappointed in the later works. They're all good, but I enjoyed the multiple storylines and locations. Plus, with RSR, you could tell he really was more of a weapons than tactics guy. You can see him delve deeper into tactics and strategy in later books, but RSR was almost like reading a battle order off a list, which worked well telling so many different stories at once. I still get the same images in my head right now thinking about it, that I did as a 10 year old reading it, weird.
@@sirbader1 Funny you say that, RSR was actually my first Clancy. I enjoyed it, although I never really understood what the Soviets' actual objective was in the book, or why they didn't just attack in the Middle East first. I understand there was the risk of going nuclear, but then, isn't that always there? Anyway I loved the technical feel of it, probably the most technical of Clancy's books I read. You definitely get the feeling he was really eager to show off all his cool knowledge about Cold War weapons and tactics.
@@RaidsEpicly Same, I think he really tried to outdo himself with the complexity of the plots after that. That whole trilogy (Debt of Honor, Executive Orders, and Bear and the Dragon) seemed to decline in quality as it went. I did really like Cardinal of the Kremlin, Red Rabbit and Sum of All Fears, though, pretty amazing spy novels. And out of the newer ones, Threat Vector is pretty decent, although it's debatable how much of that one Clancy really wrote.
@@CovertCabal The Race of the Cripples (hope I got that right). Lost the book in the '90s. Also read "The Third World War: the Untold Story" by sir John Hackett.
@@diosdado0711 sword point by Harold Noyle is about the Russians invading Iran, and the US launching one to "protect" them. Someone has an accident, a US carrier is sunk and in retaliation the Soviet one too, and then the gloves come off The Soviet steamroller is nothing like what we have seen this year... The logistic problems, yeah, they got that right
As the Russian debacle unfolded I remembered this book - I think my last several read copy fell apart 20 years ago. So I found a nice used copy and have read it through a couple times in the last year. Whiles the two situations are not at all the same, Clancy's takes on Russian mentality and the parallels between his fiction and current reality are just unreal.
I devoured this book. Clancy is one of my favorite authors and I spend a significant amount of time reading his novels more than often. In fact, I lived almost my whole life in Holle Germany. It is depicted in Red Storm Rising as a rallying point for the Soviets and I can say all that Clancy has written about Holle and the other Villages and Cities is pretty much at the point. Even the small forest where the AA-Turrets are stationed is there and as I read this my view of the cold war changed drastically. I walked my dog on the path where Tanks would roll in my village from the Autobahn (Motorway/Highway). Hell, in his book the war started on the 15th of June, my birthday.
If y’all think red storm rising would be a little too much, I recommend reading team yankee. It’s a cool book about a American armor company fighting in ww3. If you want a Warsaw Pact side I also recommend Red army my Ralph peters. A awesome book that goes more in-depth than team yankee, it goes from strategic all the way down to the soldier level for stories. If you like both books you’ll definitely like red storm rising. They make a awesome little trilogy.
Now compare this video one year later, with how bad the Russian army truly is, how bad some of their equipment is actually fairing in combat and how much Europe has come together.
With less hardware than before, they will leverage their cyber warfare. Thus the importance of going back to basics and training to fight under degraded information and technological capabilities.
@@zykom1 the biggest weakness of the us is its power grid. Take that out and it loses so much of its abilities. I think its been proven over and over again how the us isnt ready for a combined attack on its infrastructure. Imagine trying to manage a war when the homefront is in complete shambles. I dont think the us is ready for ww3. Its military is strong, but very weak at the same time. I dont think countries like china and russia have the same weakness.
@@zykom1 no, not referring to that. We are constantly being probed, and since our government is a clusterfuck of idiots who put a complete list of swedish government, military and police personnel on serbian servers a few years back all targets are easy pickings.
@@zykom1 all big nations screw.with each other is some.way. its just what happens. But the us should REALLY invest in its power grid and cyber warfare. So what you want about china, they at least have a unified vision.
Ah, Red Storm Rising, my first-ever book read in English as no translation was available at the time. Such a page-turner! Been sticking to original language versions ever since.
Do you honestly think Russia is gonna give America their latest missiles so America can do test with them. You can be sure the missiles they sold them weren't their best / latest missile.
@@tree70737 Russia is broke? How much is it America owe again? Russia will sell weapons sure, but they're not going to give America their latest weapons.
@@Irish_1916 Those missiles were sold in the 90s. Russia was an absolute mess and broke as hell. If you were a senior military leader and could barely feed your troops, you'd probably consider selling a few missiles too.
If I’m not mistaken the F-117 did have air to air capability in order to shoot down Russian AWACS on its way in or out of enemy airspace. I just listened to TFPP on the F-117 earlier this week. Never knew it had that capability.
Well it’s pretty amazing how much changed in a year… nobody is afraid of Russian conventional power anymore. Most NATO countries could handle them solo given how poorly they’ve done.
Just one thing: They explicitly *DO* go after NATO C&C installations as well as major ports in Germany; it's just that, after being forwarned by capturing a Russian commando, NATO is able to stop 17 of the 20 attacks preceeding the ground invasion and the Soviet airforce units at the front get annihilated in the first hours of the war.
I scrolled the comments looking for this. CC must have misunderstood the point of one of the early pre-war chapters, where a soviet spetsnaz team has their, and essentially the entire soviet spetsnaz infiltration plan blown by a car accident. It's Clancy's way of explaining why NATO C2 was left intact. The entire book is littered with Clancy's reasonings for why the USSR doesn't widen the war by attacking US ports directly (I think there are references to sunk ships in NY Harbor though?). The book is a good read, well worth the time.
@@ashesofempires04 The "sunk" ships in NY harbour are ships damaged during the atlantic crossing that made it back to port but are unfit for further service if remember correctly.
Do a collaboration with Red Effect, his entire channel is deciated to tanks and he has quite an extensive knowledge about thanks and goes really to details about every tank.
I’ve worked transportation for the army in both the ports of Bremerhaven and Antwerp. It’s very interesting to see how vulnerable the operations are from a strategic standpoint.
10:43 "there wasn't much strategy, the Soviets just faced their enemies head-on, costing them hardware and lives" yep, that's exactly how they would've done it, so Tom Clancy was 100% correct as proven true nearly 40 years later with Russia in Ukraine. They still have no strategy, or extremely limited if any.
He also predicted the problems in the Red Army. Lies about training hours while actually helping bring in the harvest, older soldiers stealing from new recruits, stuff like that. In the book they worked hard to remove them, and most worked. That is why we don't hear of any corruption and empty fuel tanks in the first week. Putin found this part of the book boring and skipped it
@@sjonnieplayfull5859More to it than just that…. In the book the Americans are tipped off BECAUSE the Soviets shot 4 colonels for falsifying readiness reports…..Putin was bluffing Ukraine and increasing his readiness levels in advance would have tipped off the US who would have likely stepped in earlier and made bluffing impossible. Turned out the US was already balls deep in causing the conflict and it didn’t matter. NATO wouldn’t let Ukraine back down and resolve the issues without a fight and it went to open war.
The soviets did focus on command and control with their first strike spetznaz units, which were pre-empted by one getting hit by a car and NATO discovering their plot.
@@bluewavechris I believe you. Like I said I just can’t remember that part. Did they not hit those other targets because that one spetsnaz guy got hit by a car?
Attacks on command and control nodes were mentioned in the book in the hours leading up to the war. The part that we read was one Spetznaz attack that was discovered with the Soviet team lead was hit by a car while picking up his orders.
The only thing that matters in the war is LOGISTICS. Fancy super advanced weapons are great, but how many do countries have in stockpiles? How quickly they can be produced, assuming you even have all required components or capabilities to manufacture them?
also the weird thing is US has +800 military bases around the world. and all countries around the world combined have only around 40 bases operating overseas. US Is a military giant.
@Pantelis Tzimas I’ll take 2 Arleighs and 1 Ticonderoga, one of the standard escort groups for a carrier. Determining how many anti-air missiles each one has is difficult as all the missiles and the ships’ Tomahawk compliment use the Mk. 41 VLS, so individual load outs can vary, and the ships carry different types of SAMs with some (like the ESSM) able to be quad-packed into the VLS cells. What I do know is that Arleighs have 96 VLS cells and Ticonderogas have 122 cells, so as a rough estimate (and this a guess off of what I know) is 240 to 300 SAMs plus CIWS, chaff, flares, and EW suites (this is excluding the carriers own defenses).
@Pantelis Tzimas And all three kinzhals are shot down during the terminal guidance phase. One major problem with current hypersonic weapons is that the built in sensors of the weapons can’t see through the plasma sheath created by traveling at such high speeds. Therefore, hypersonic weapons have to slow down during the terminal phase to low supersonic speeds in order to reacquire the target and guide itself in, making them vulnerable to a ship’s defenses. For more information on this check out this video: ruclips.net/video/r-ASc5LSF3U/видео.html and pg. 21 of this RAAF report: airpower.airforce.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-03/BPAF01-Hypersonic-Air-Power.pdf
Somebody is making uninformed RA RA USA RA comments. Thier missiles are better and more advanced (hypersonic) plus S400 & S500 Anti Ballistic Milliles. There ship fleet aand land vehicles have all had a refresh. Done by them not having a bureaucratic military industrial complex which makes US pay 6 times more for weopons. New Subs even - Level 4.... You have a narrow view which is far from being accurate I am afraid.
@@kiwitelevision As funny as its sounds I still like russian made weapons hahah🤣🤦♀️ i think i have fetish on commie weapons lol, maybe most of you'd agree too.
@@richelle9563 I'm the same. Channel "COMBAT APPROVED" is an excellent channel covering all the Russian military weapons up-to-date. I like their ability to manufacture awesome weapons on 1/6 of the US budget for defenders. The hypersonic weapons are evil. Plus I don't like the way Americans think they have any right to be so self righteous and elitist ... Rubs my rhubarb
The funniest thing is, no one really know's what modern tank warfare involves. It has not really been tested with an even playing field.... The closest was desert storm,
Generals know. Tanks are useless now days. A $10,000 shoulder fired anti tank missile can destroy a million dollar tank. Tanks are even useless in 3rd world countries
I'm thinking the second there is Russia/US conflict we will also have conflict between north and south Korea, with a Chinese assist, as well as Taiwan/China. Perhaps the gulf states would erupt as well. Seeing as how Russia would he too busy to protect Syria from the Saudis. The balance of every conflict area would be off.
No doubt, it would be a world war because these 2 nations are holding a leash on nations that would otherwise be killing each other right now. Another one is Israel. Without the shadow of America protecting Israel Muslim majority nations would be attacking. The only safe place would be Southern Africa. Everywhere else would be chaos.
@@1nsaniel If war starts do you think USA will attack Russia with 2 ships and 5 aircraft? They would heavily mobilise. And still it would be impossible for USA alone to face both Russia and China.
Damage to the ports was discussed in Red Storm Rising - Special Operations teams could cause craploads of damage to bridges and rail lines. This was a plot point in one of the early chapters, that the SO teams were discovered after one got hit by a car.
LOL, 1 year later we discover the reality of what would happen. Russia would be crushed. Their military is so screwed up. I think we always overestimated the Soviets, and we have grossly overestimated the Russian Federation military.
People should read more Russian military history and see the common patterns. Russia does fine when against an invader, though with initial blunders. However, when Russia is the invader, their military performs abysmally.
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I think it would had been reckless, and something akin to Imperial Russia rushing into East Prussia in August 1914. NATO forces would had easily cut off Soviet and Warsaw Pact Forces if they invaded the North German Plain, and slowly destroy them and destroy half of the Soviet Navy if they invaded Iceland, Leaving an invasion route open for NATO through both Poland, and the Baltic open
@@aguaweasel very similar to the charge of the light brigade except that if the cannons had not been prepared and on the gunk one it could have been a route instead of a great story and tactical lesson…
NATO has not expanded to Russia's doorstep. The sovereign nations bordering Russia are not ''doorsteps''. The nations which border Russia has voluntarily joined the NATO alliance on their own accord.
Covert cabal: There's a tom clancy book called Red storm rising depicting a fictional ww3. Me: Pauses video and goes to listen to it. Me: 2 weeks later watching the video now. Thanks man! Awesome book!
Today, Russia doesn't go after command and control facilities very much! Their way of war is very strange indeed and all they seem to want to do is piss off the populace of the country they are at war with! I'd say Clancy was pretty spot-on with regard to their war making strategy.
The very first ground combat action in the book is a Spetznaz attack on a NATO communication node. That specific attacks is stopped by GSG9 but the book mentioned that several other sites were not as lucky.
I loved those parts of the book as I find them the most fascinating. i still go back sometimes and read the chapters on the opening shots of the war. The hat tips to GSG9 and SAS against Spetsnaz were incredible.
Red Storm Rising is more focused on the air/naval battles the ground combat detail is small Team Yankee is more in depth about ground combat between NATO/Warsaw Pact forces in Germany during the cold war era In red storm rising the Spetsnaz plans to damage the headquarters and other logistics airfields and ports was stopped because the plans was discovered when the Spetsnaz commander was accidently hit and injured by a automobile.
yup he crossed a street in germany without looking and was captured when the officer responding to the accident just happened to be a Bundeswehr reserve captain with a security clearance who looked at the plans
@@LordOceanus Yeah i think that was the perfect excuse for Clancy avoid covering the ground boots combat war pov, he was already full with the Naval, Air and Armor aspect
I read the book way back in the late 80s while on active duty USAF. Great read, little bit biased towards NATO (maybe😁). For an opposing view, on the level of Team Yankee and World War III, read Red Army by Ralph Peters. Very good read from the Soviet viewpoint. Honestly, in the 80s, I think it really could have been flip a coin to see who would have won a conventional war in West Germany. Whomever caught the most breaks, would have probably won. Definitely would have probably been some of the bloodiest conflict ever.
The US had a limited battlefield Nuclear Strike package that was REQUIRED to be integrated into the overall NATO Battle operation plan due to sheer enormity of their and the Warsaw pact Armor divisions and it Looks Like Putin has adopted the Slow Massive Power Red War Machine all us old Cold Warriors knew and respected....but alas, the modern day Russians have teeth but nothing like the Mighty Massive Armies the Soviets Welded in the 80's....i was in the Us Navy back then both afloat and shore Admiral Intel Staffs....
@@ouicb Yeah, the Russian Bear is but a shadow of its former self now. Of course, neither do we have the troop levels either. But, I still think we have the advantage in a conflict today. I think it will be the reverse in a conflict with Putin. We would dominate and back the Russians into a corner. Then, they will come out with nukes. Kinda the opposite of the Cold War. I see where Germany is starting to rearm. German government just increased their military budget to 500 million euros. About time they wake up. They also need to deal with the influx of Arabs. That is a danger to the German nation too.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I always wondered about that too back in the 80s. If the balloon would have went up and we could have gotten air dominance in the first couple of days, it would gotten ugly for the Soviets. We all learned really well from the Israelis in the Six Day war and Yom Kippur how to defeat Soviet tactics.
The book does a pretty good job of explaining why Russia didn't declare total war against NATO and why the fighting didn't quite reach the mainland US. I suggest reading it again and paying close attention the first 10 chapters.
Great video other than a couple little things that I posted already! Tom Clancy was very prescient on SO many things - airliners as weapons, Stealth aircraft, China's military rise, etc etc etc etc. RSR was my favorite book when I was in high school (ninth grade when it came out in paper back), and when my pipe band toured the world in 1987/1988, I'd buy a copy of RSR in various countries, which all had different book covers. I have 8 different looking copies, with the Australian one being a gloss black cover with huge orange flames on it. Fantastic.
You are incorrect about the F-117 not having an air to air mission "originally". Carriage of the AIM 9 Sidewinder and AGM 122 Sidearm (anti radar sidewinder) was in the load out and we had the planned mission as a SUAWACS killer. I was present for more than one Sidewinder test on an aircraft fuselage mockup and an airborne test firing. Also on the aircraft was the RLS (RADAR Locator System) to monitor enemy RADAR. I retired off the F117 and was on the program from 1986 until 2003 as an Avionics and Weapons Field Service Rep and Engineer including deployment for 7 months during Desert Storm with the 416th TFS/37th TFW. The Acft also had a planned CAS tasking with AGM-65 Mavericks, CBU-87s and a proposal to add a removable gun pod in the weapons bay, the gun would fire through a gap between the fuselage and bay door when the weapons bay was slightly opened, The AGM65 was not removed as a selection until approx 1989.
Double edged sword. Russia thinks NATO is trying to surround them, ex baltic states and Europe think Russia has big plans and all join NATO (a defensive pact). Ex Baltic states have not forgotten what they went though with the USSR, and its well known that Putin wants to recreate it. So you have to look from each others POV. I would only say this, If NATO said 'Ok, lets disband NATO'.. Would Russia really play nice and not try to expand/influence where not wanted? not land grab and not infiltrate? There's a very good reason why so many wanted to join NATO. Russia trying to act like its done nothing wrong is the reason its quite an isolated country. In the west and NATO, many of us see Russia's frustration and actually do agree on some points, but they do themselves zero favours by denying everything and sticking their heads in the ground when their actions are proved wrong. Here's to friendship, but I think both sides leaders need enemies to stay in power. There's the problem right there.
The idea that if the mainland of the US is crippled in a significant manner during a war, Nukes would be used, PERIOD! Russia would do the same. The main is that the Russian military as a whole is very small. Too small to wage a full scale war against the US much less NATO!
Basically in a third world war it would in actuality reinforce the need for nukes, small countries without a strategic stockpile would be fair game, with their allies not really willing to deploy nukes against enemies who also have nukes on behalf of said country, perhaps a local counter strike but a nuke against st petersberg or LA, or in the case of china some city like Beijing, in addition to avoiding direct action against those countries beyond missile and naval actions and air raids. As long as thats avoided the big countries on both sides can essentially isolate the conflict to regional area's while insulating themselves from the biggest harm. After that war small countries will probably start their own nuke programs so they atleast have a small arsenal
Just want to point out that the S-3 Viking WAS replaced, by the MH-60 LAMPS. Coupled with virtually every ship in a given fleet also operating their own ASW helo(s) nowadays, plus the much more widespread proliferation of maritime patrol bombers (P-3 Orion, P-8 Poseidon, etc), the loss of coverage is pretty minimal.
I literally started this book three days ago, it is amazing. And here you are releasing the video. Anyway, I am not going to watch this video,I just saw it in my recommendations. Once I'll deal with the I'll come back for the video.
How would a war go between the USA and Russia today? USA: Russia is one of our greatest threats. Russia: *Today's war in Ukraine*. USA: I greatly overestimated your ability.
You say you don't understand why the Soviets didn't attack command and control centers in the book, when the first thing they did to kick off the war was to use special ops forces to attack command and control centers. (?)
Given Russias performance in Ukraine just now I don't think RRS is even worthy of a comparison. Poland would probably take Russia by themselves let alone the US & rest of NATO.
"A western intelligence analysts job is to look at the new soviet [T72] and say 'oh my god this is so much better than anything we have! We're screwed!' Turns out it was a death trap. Just like everything else the Russians ever built." -Tom Clancy
The main differences are probably economic. While the Soviet economy was smaller than the US economy, when Red Storm Rising was written, it was probably big enough to keep it in the game for a while. The Russian Federation for contrast, would get out produced very rapidly in a drawn out war.
By who ? The US? We can't even produce enough 155 mm artillery shells . We no longer have the manufacturing ability We did during the cold war. We shipped the overwhelming majority of our industrial base to China, Western Europe followed suit . Russia is one of the few countries that has kept their ability to manufacture in mass that a war time " economy "would require.
The scenario; as described -doesn't make a lick of sense. Need oil; so start a massive war that will require a massive amount of oil, just so you can then then start another war, so you can then seize oil fields; that you then have to rebuild. Maybe it was inspired by a badly simplified or misunderstanding of WW2 Japan's situation.
@@DeDyson Or Russia invading for the sake of it... I mean the only reason why they didn't is because of nukes and now that everyone assumes the other won't use them why not make war?
It will go down like this, fruhstuck in Berlin, petite dejeneur in Paris, siesta in Madrid and tapas in Porto, all in one day. Did I mention the Dutch don’t have live ammo ?
Don't forget that those same _buffer nations_ can't afford to lose access to cheap Russian gas. This could definitely put a wedge in the heart of NATO. Needless to say, and regardless of their dependence on natural gas, they won't take kindly to having T-14s drive through them.
The nice thing is that they like living with Russian gas, but they *can* afford to live without it if they have to. Most of these states are exceedingly small and exceedingly wealthy and/or members of the EU which would open up methods to import energy.
@@alabamacoastie6924 Russia is having serious money issues in purchasing equipment. The Russian Gov't demands the United Aircraft Corporation to build more planes, but doesn't pay for them, and ask UAC to take out loans to pay for the aircraft, which in turn, they have all these outstanding loans, and jeopardizing the Russian Bank Industry..
The F-117 actually had AIM-9s and had the task of killing AWACS. You can confirm this if you listen to the interview of a F-117 on the fighter pilot podcast. He mentioned the AIM-9 when they talked about the F-117s armament.
@@kbanghart Well I thought the same but it turns out there was more than bombs . I guess after 1991 and the fall of the Soviet Union the AWACS killer mission wasn't needed and I think that is the reason we really never saw the F-117 displaying that capability . Never the less it had that capacity . When it comes to the novel I can't say if it had or not that capability but I would think that it wasn't included .
hi, fyi, the F117 did have air to air anti awacs mission capability @covert cabal, with sidewinders. check out the f117 pilot interviews on @Fighter Pilot Podcast
As we just saw a few weeks ago, our SOSUS replacement is quite capable. The US Navy published the hour by hour location of a Russian sub meant to be doing a patrol off of Florida.
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COVERT CABAL please make a video on what if Ukraine and sweden and finland. joined nato.
AND what if turkey left or was kicked out of nato.
This channel is always on point can’t be bothered listening to the rest anymore there full of shit or have boring voice’s
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"This brings up an issue I have with the book... there wasn't much strategy in their plan"
From what we know now of Russian military strategy, I'd say that was a pretty accurate prediction from Clancy
I'm reading it right now and it's eerie how similar it is to Ukraine right now.
I watched the video, stumbled over the exact same sentence and I wanted to write the same comment. 😅
I disagree that it lacked strategy. You have to keep in mind the very limited objective of the invasion -- knocking out West Germany and destabilizing NATO so they could safely invade Iran, something they end up being unable to do because the war grinds on too long. They didn't want to attack the US mainland because of the nuclear implications of that, which they mention after the US strike on the Russian mainland. They wanted to fight a fast war based on the overwhelming superior numbers of their tank corps in Europe. Having Iceland under control would also buy time to prevent NATO reinforcement. So the whole thing hinged on speed--could they clear a path for the Iran invasion before the US got fully engaged? Turned out to be no, but it took a lot of little chances (like the survivors on Iceland) to "run out the clock" on them. Just because the strategy failed doesn't mean it didn't exist.
There were at least 15 Spetznaz missions planned, many were intercepted. One targeted the port of Hamburg and had a partial succes, one targeted a canal functioning as a supply line. Others that failed had NATO hq and comms as targets. Most groups were not able to report on succes or failure, so no follow-up action was made. That bit IS Russian, but they did start with strategy. They also had the entire Maskirovka planned to take Nato unprepared, and had planned to be done in three days like Ukraine. Well, maybe a few days more, but they DID plan for a real fast strike. After that they did the same as in Ukraine: keep pounding harder
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 And it all fell apart thanks to a middle age French Woman in a Sedan and a careless Spetnaz Major who didn’t know common road rules.
We're pretty much looking at this very scenario, right now, in Ukraine.
I'm actually shocked how accurate TC was in predicting Russia's performance.
Yeah, the accuracy of Russian missiles isn't great. It took 18 missiles for the Russian navy to take out one bridge SW of Odessa...17 misses before one hit: 6% hit rate.
He also described the deficiencies of the Red Army being worked out in the months before the invasion. Putin skipped that part of the book: too boring
@@sonar357 trust me bro
@@zimbabwesteve4620 And also capability. The Russian armed forces are riddled with corruption to the point that basically none of their naval fleets are viable military platforms and their air force can't even gain air superiority over Ukraine.
@@sonar357 And I wish we could have provided C-RAM to Ukraine to shoot down many more... Would still help right now to get more grain into Romanian ports.
"It seems a bit of an extreme solution, but it's a book."
True, though that was basically the same rationale behind preemptive warfare initiated by Imperial Japan, so it's not THAT strange an idea.
Yeah and look how it turned out to then
@@carso1500 the russians got destroyed
To be fair, they would be most effective on the offensive. It was widely thought that Warsaw Pact countries could overwhelm Germany before the U.S. bring in any significant reinforcements. There really is no scenario where West Germany would survive. There's a possibility they could have taken France as well, but most likely the offensive would peter out in France. Of course the book assumes thy had enough forces to wage a 2 front war like that, which I doubt they could have done effectively. Not to mention they would still have to keep the East fortified against attack (though a secret treaty with China could have had them come into the war if they were attacked there- I'm talking fictional here).
@@JimmyMon666 one year later, we see that Russia has had some serious issues with corruption and while Ukraine is bigger then Western Germany, they would have had to fight in urban environment a lot more, likely against a load of militias
Then again, the addition of the other Warsaw pact countries could have helped, especially the DDR forces would IMHO be quite efficiënt and least susceptible to corruption
@@JimmyMon666 But as Clancy pointed out, those ATGMs (though back then Milan and TOW) were quite effective in comparison. So as we see now since Feb 24th, those pre war planning assumptions might have been overly pessimistic; and that for good reason, how do you speed up procurement of more kit and tank divisions? By not underestimating your dictatorial, imperialistic adversary.
Russian :"Let's Prepare a war with USA!!!"
Also Russian :"They have know our plan Comrade!!"
Russian :"How Could they?"
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@@DeDyson www.reuters.com/technology/russian-consumer-watchdog-bans-vyprvpn-opera-vpn-services-2021-06-17/ our gov agency started banning vpn services that dont agree to restrict access to websites they ask. They already asked that of Nordvnp who wouldnt probably agree to do that
@Ярослав Л
You know your comment is racist.
That's a statement I made there.
I know you know that because ALL EASTERNERS are smart
@@DriveLaken I Am Asian, not Western
Red Storm Rising is one of my favorites. I have a signed hard copy!
Don’t sell it ...ever!
Love that book.
Cool. Where did you meet Clancy?
Nice!
@Leoneidas, I've read RSR about 20 times and I still have the book. I saw the Fulda Gap in 97, it made the book come alive for me.
I recommend the series of book Battlefield from the autor James Rosone, it's pretty much Red Storm Rising but with the geopolitics and the technologies of today
Reading Korea right now! Was gunna recommend the same series.
I got to get that book Battlefield
Agreed, great series. Obviously inspired by RSR. The CCP volumes are insightful.
Not very realistic though. When Red storm came out, it was closer to reality, i was based in West Germany at the time. With the Soviet 3rd Army just down the road. Now its all Russia has to maintain a peace time army.
Nice
Whose watching this while the war in ukraine is ongoing?
Oddly enough I started rereading this in early January this year and then reread it again just before Putler started this little war
Read the book two years ago, still have it and go back from time to time
Just watched this video. I recall from the book that many Russian tanks were defeated by mobile AT teams using ATGMs to shoot-and-scoot. Incredibly similar to the NLAW and Javelin use early in war. Also, NATO went after Russian supplies using the secret stealth aircraft in the book, while Ukraine used HIMARS with similar effect.
Currently comparing and contrasting
Still watching.
Came back up on my feed.
The reason that the Soviet Union did not attack command and control locations in the novel was because of propaganda reasons. Their claim that their attack of West Germany was a preemptive defensive attack wouldn't be believable (even though it _wasn't_ believable in the first place) if they attacked C&C locations. In the novel, this political decision was widely criticized by the military leaders.
There WAS a plan to attack NATO C&C sites, Commo sites and ports: it was a Spetznaz mission, that was thwarted when one of the Spetznaz commanders was hit by a motor vehicle while picking up written orders. He is interrogated and reveals some of the information about the plans, which gives NATO security forces and critical opportunity to sound the alarm and be more prepared for the attacks. Clancy talks about the war opening in a series of small unit pitched battles between security forces and Spetznaz commandos-some successful in their missions, but most attacks are repelled. This also allows NATO to launch the "frizbees" on a preemptive strike on key Warsaw Pact supply hubs and bridgeheads as the war begins.
@@bluewavechris Yes, but they're also lower value targets. They're not going after the high level nodes outside of Germany in order to maintain the masquerade.
The Soviets had no qualms in attacking and going after the Hungary and Czechoslovakia leadership in their invasions of those countries in 1956 and 1968, even though they were helping fellow socialist countries.
I assume that the Soviets, hypothetically didn't attack command and control targets, because the US, France, UK could had easily attack and destroy command control targets in the Soviet Union. The US did try to put taps on the communication lines near the Soviet Union Military Headquarters..
The Spetznaz operations at the start had quite a list of targets, they just never got there
Knew it wouldn’t be a successful Independence Day without Covert Cabal uploading on such an occasion 🇺🇸
Yeah, he's such an anti Russian propagandist CC should of had the 'Star Spangled Banner' playing in the background.
Yeah, Russia is doing soooo well right now in their "totally not an invasion", right? Right?
Well.. The ending of this video aged unfortunately bitter..
It's already a good day when covert cabal uploads
Thus write fans of literally every RUclips channel.
The copy-paste has to be more effort than just coming up with your own comment, surely?
Damn, he completely predicted the Russia Ukraine war 😂💀
So the US against it's agreements expanded NATO into Ukraine?
He predicted the cause at least….NATO encroachment in Russia’s backyard.
RSR is my favorite Clancy novel, and I've read most of the originals. That reminds me, from 2nd to 6th grade, I turned in the same book report (The Hunt for Red October). Got an A every year. Good times. 🤣
That book is SO GOOD. I wish he wrote more like it, imo it felt like nothing he wrote Red October really hit the same quality.
I tried reading Bear and the Dragon afterwards and it was almost offensively bad
@@RaidsEpicly Luckily, I didn't read RSR first, or I would've been mildly disappointed in the later works. They're all good, but I enjoyed the multiple storylines and locations. Plus, with RSR, you could tell he really was more of a weapons than tactics guy. You can see him delve deeper into tactics and strategy in later books, but RSR was almost like reading a battle order off a list, which worked well telling so many different stories at once. I still get the same images in my head right now thinking about it, that I did as a 10 year old reading it, weird.
@@sirbader1 Funny you say that, RSR was actually my first Clancy. I enjoyed it, although I never really understood what the Soviets' actual objective was in the book, or why they didn't just attack in the Middle East first. I understand there was the risk of going nuclear, but then, isn't that always there? Anyway I loved the technical feel of it, probably the most technical of Clancy's books I read. You definitely get the feeling he was really eager to show off all his cool knowledge about Cold War weapons and tactics.
@@RaidsEpicly Same, I think he really tried to outdo himself with the complexity of the plots after that. That whole trilogy (Debt of Honor, Executive Orders, and Bear and the Dragon) seemed to decline in quality as it went. I did really like Cardinal of the Kremlin, Red Rabbit and Sum of All Fears, though, pretty amazing spy novels. And out of the newer ones, Threat Vector is pretty decent, although it's debatable how much of that one Clancy really wrote.
Yeah, I should clarify, I mean the originals, not the later works. Rainbow 6 was alright.
My favorite Clancy novel. I still remember some of the code words - "dreamland", "trumpeter", " vampire", "bear".
The Frisbees of Dreamland! Haha that was fun
@@CovertCabal The Race of the Cripples (hope I got that right). Lost the book in the '90s. Also read "The Third World War: the Untold Story" by sir John Hackett.
@@diosdado0711 sword point by Harold Noyle is about the Russians invading Iran, and the US launching one to "protect" them. Someone has an accident, a US carrier is sunk and in retaliation the Soviet one too, and then the gloves come off
The Soviet steamroller is nothing like what we have seen this year... The logistic problems, yeah, they got that right
As the Russian debacle unfolded I remembered this book - I think my last several read copy fell apart 20 years ago. So I found a nice used copy and have read it through a couple times in the last year. Whiles the two situations are not at all the same, Clancy's takes on Russian mentality and the parallels between his fiction and current reality are just unreal.
Congratulations you predicted the pretext for Russia invading Ukraine. You are very smart.
I devoured this book. Clancy is one of my favorite authors and I spend a significant amount of time reading his novels more than often. In fact, I lived almost my whole life in Holle Germany. It is depicted in Red Storm Rising as a rallying point for the Soviets and I can say all that Clancy has written about Holle and the other Villages and Cities is pretty much at the point. Even the small forest where the AA-Turrets are stationed is there and as I read this my view of the cold war changed drastically. I walked my dog on the path where Tanks would roll in my village from the Autobahn (Motorway/Highway). Hell, in his book the war started on the 15th of June, my birthday.
Ok, that's creepy about your birthday lol
Wenn Putin so weitermacht, steht der Russe bald wirklich an unserer Grenze. Glaube nicht, dass er sich mit der Ukraine zufrieden geben würde....
@@Finn-tl7nw Ich hoffe es. Denn wenn das passiert, haben wir ratzfatz einen Nuklearkrieg.
He was just writing about you. Nothing weird at all.... wait....
@@helmetfire5973 Well that would be an honor let me tell you.
If y’all think red storm rising would be a little too much, I recommend reading team yankee. It’s a cool book about a American armor company fighting in ww3. If you want a Warsaw Pact side I also recommend Red army my Ralph peters. A awesome book that goes more in-depth than team yankee, it goes from strategic all the way down to the soldier level for stories. If you like both books you’ll definitely like red storm rising. They make a awesome little trilogy.
I've read both novels and I agree they are both great reads.
Now compare this video one year later, with how bad the Russian army truly is, how bad some of their equipment is actually fairing in combat and how much Europe has come together.
Russia went from the 2nd strongest army in the world, to the 2nd strongest in Ukraine, and now the 2nd strongest in Russia.
With less hardware than before, they will leverage their cyber warfare. Thus the importance of going back to basics and training to fight under degraded information and technological capabilities.
@@zykom1 i think you underestimate the us reliance on technology and information. I would say thats its biggest weakness now
@@zykom1 the biggest weakness of the us is its power grid. Take that out and it loses so much of its abilities. I think its been proven over and over again how the us isnt ready for a combined attack on its infrastructure. Imagine trying to manage a war when the homefront is in complete shambles. I dont think the us is ready for ww3. Its military is strong, but very weak at the same time. I dont think countries like china and russia have the same weakness.
They are cyberattacking sweden right now at full force. Read the news. Little more than a nuisance.
@@zykom1 no, not referring to that. We are constantly being probed, and since our government is a clusterfuck of idiots who put a complete list of swedish government, military and police personnel on serbian servers a few years back all targets are easy pickings.
@@zykom1 all big nations screw.with each other is some.way. its just what happens. But the us should REALLY invest in its power grid and cyber warfare. So what you want about china, they at least have a unified vision.
Ah, Red Storm Rising, my first-ever book read in English as no translation was available at the time. Such a page-turner! Been sticking to original language versions ever since.
Do you honestly think Russia is gonna give America their latest missiles so America can do test with them. You can be sure the missiles they sold them weren't their best / latest missile.
Russia is broke they don’t care who they sell their weapons to.
@@tree70737 Russia is broke? How much is it America owe again?
Russia will sell weapons sure, but they're not going to give America their latest weapons.
@@Irish_1916 Those missiles were sold in the 90s. Russia was an absolute mess and broke as hell. If you were a senior military leader and could barely feed your troops, you'd probably consider selling a few missiles too.
@@Irish_1916 no matter how broke the US they will continue to spend trillions on military some how 😆
@@joserodriguezjr.6422 because money has no real value. The u.s controls global currency right now so they can basically do what they want
If I’m not mistaken the F-117 did have air to air capability in order to shoot down Russian AWACS on its way in or out of enemy airspace. I just listened to TFPP on the F-117 earlier this week. Never knew it had that capability.
Well it’s pretty amazing how much changed in a year… nobody is afraid of Russian conventional power anymore. Most NATO countries could handle them solo given how poorly they’ve done.
Just one thing: They explicitly *DO* go after NATO C&C installations as well as major ports in Germany; it's just that, after being forwarned by capturing a Russian commando, NATO is able to stop 17 of the 20 attacks preceeding the ground invasion and the Soviet airforce units at the front get annihilated in the first hours of the war.
I scrolled the comments looking for this. CC must have misunderstood the point of one of the early pre-war chapters, where a soviet spetsnaz team has their, and essentially the entire soviet spetsnaz infiltration plan blown by a car accident. It's Clancy's way of explaining why NATO C2 was left intact. The entire book is littered with Clancy's reasonings for why the USSR doesn't widen the war by attacking US ports directly (I think there are references to sunk ships in NY Harbor though?).
The book is a good read, well worth the time.
@@ashesofempires04 The "sunk" ships in NY harbour are ships damaged during the atlantic crossing that made it back to port but are unfit for further service if remember correctly.
we have seen this in Ukraine it is not a red storm it is a red fart
Lmao 🤣
Do a collaboration with Red Effect, his entire channel is deciated to tanks and he has quite an extensive knowledge about thanks and goes really to details about every tank.
I'm not going to lie, the last few minutes of this video, where you addressed a likely scenario is EXACTLY what is going on today. Spot on.
I’ve worked transportation for the army in both the ports of Bremerhaven and Antwerp. It’s very interesting to see how vulnerable the operations are from a strategic standpoint.
That's efficient, they made the documentary in advance so they wouldn't have to do one later. Genius.
10:43 "there wasn't much strategy, the Soviets just faced their enemies head-on, costing them hardware and lives" yep, that's exactly how they would've done it, so Tom Clancy was 100% correct as proven true nearly 40 years later with Russia in Ukraine. They still have no strategy, or extremely limited if any.
Id love to see this done again considering the current conflict revealing alot of battle data on the russian equipment
He also predicted the problems in the Red Army. Lies about training hours while actually helping bring in the harvest, older soldiers stealing from new recruits, stuff like that. In the book they worked hard to remove them, and most worked. That is why we don't hear of any corruption and empty fuel tanks in the first week. Putin found this part of the book boring and skipped it
@@sjonnieplayfull5859More to it than just that…. In the book the Americans are tipped off BECAUSE the Soviets shot 4 colonels for falsifying readiness reports…..Putin was bluffing Ukraine and increasing his readiness levels in advance would have tipped off the US who would have likely stepped in earlier and made bluffing impossible. Turned out the US was already balls deep in causing the conflict and it didn’t matter. NATO wouldn’t let Ukraine back down and resolve the issues without a fight and it went to open war.
The soviets did focus on command and control with their first strike spetznaz units, which were pre-empted by one getting hit by a car and NATO discovering their plot.
I thought they just blew i up radio towers and stuff? I don’t remember them attacking actual headquarters and stuff.
@@Rokaize The plan also included the sabotage of Western European ports and supply depots and an attack on the NATO HQ in Brussels.
@@bluewavechris in the book or in real life? I honestly can’t remember the part you mentioned.
@@Rokaize In the book.....I would have to look up the pages....I have read the book so many times over the years I am sure of it.
@@bluewavechris I believe you. Like I said I just can’t remember that part. Did they not hit those other targets because that one spetsnaz guy got hit by a car?
I'm a simple man, I see CC uploads a video, I like.
Same, but with the dislike 💁🏽
He really doesn't know what he's talking about.
The book forgot about the POMPUS sites staged around Germany. There are 2 Corp worth of Armor and Artillery prepositioned at these sites.
Attacks on command and control nodes were mentioned in the book in the hours leading up to the war. The part that we read was one Spetznaz attack that was discovered with the Soviet team lead was hit by a car while picking up his orders.
The only thing that matters in the war is LOGISTICS. Fancy super advanced weapons are great, but how many do countries have in stockpiles? How quickly they can be produced, assuming you even have all required components or capabilities to manufacture them?
also the weird thing is US has +800 military bases around the world. and all countries around the world combined have only around 40 bases operating overseas. US Is a military giant.
@Pantelis Tzimas Aegis ships would like a word
@Pantelis Tzimas I’ll take 2 Arleighs and 1 Ticonderoga, one of the standard escort groups for a carrier. Determining how many anti-air missiles each one has is difficult as all the missiles and the ships’ Tomahawk compliment use the Mk. 41 VLS, so individual load outs can vary, and the ships carry different types of SAMs with some (like the ESSM) able to be quad-packed into the VLS cells. What I do know is that Arleighs have 96 VLS cells and Ticonderogas have 122 cells, so as a rough estimate (and this a guess off of what I know) is 240 to 300 SAMs plus CIWS, chaff, flares, and EW suites (this is excluding the carriers own defenses).
@Pantelis Tzimas And all three kinzhals are shot down during the terminal guidance phase. One major problem with current hypersonic weapons is that the built in sensors of the weapons can’t see through the plasma sheath created by traveling at such high speeds. Therefore, hypersonic weapons have to slow down during the terminal phase to low supersonic speeds in order to reacquire the target and guide itself in, making them vulnerable to a ship’s defenses. For more information on this check out this video: ruclips.net/video/r-ASc5LSF3U/видео.html and pg. 21 of this RAAF report: airpower.airforce.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-03/BPAF01-Hypersonic-Air-Power.pdf
@Pantelis Tzimas So did you read either of my sources or did you just reject what I said because you didn’t agree with it?
I'm thinking this needs to be updated. NATO's missile defense combined with Russia's inability to do precision strikes would make a big change.
Russia is really more like a pale yellow today rather than red.
Somebody is making uninformed RA RA USA RA comments. Thier missiles are better and more advanced (hypersonic) plus S400 & S500 Anti Ballistic Milliles. There ship fleet aand land vehicles have all had a refresh. Done by them not having a bureaucratic military industrial complex which makes US pay 6 times more for weopons. New Subs even - Level 4.... You have a narrow view which is far from being accurate I am afraid.
@@kiwitelevision As funny as its sounds I still like russian made weapons hahah🤣🤦♀️ i think i have fetish on commie weapons lol, maybe most of you'd agree too.
@@richelle9563 I'm the same. Channel "COMBAT APPROVED" is an excellent channel covering all the Russian military weapons up-to-date. I like their ability to manufacture awesome weapons on 1/6 of the US budget for defenders. The hypersonic weapons are evil. Plus I don't like the way Americans think they have any right to be so self righteous and elitist ... Rubs my rhubarb
@@kiwitelevision lmao his comment really upset you
@@kiwitelevision Kiwi TV
We all gone die anyways
Some just faster than others lol
The funniest thing is, no one really know's what modern tank warfare involves. It has not really been tested with an even playing field.... The closest was desert storm,
I'm willing to bet it involves a lot of people getting killed very quickly. Beyond that who knows
Generals know. Tanks are useless now days. A $10,000 shoulder fired anti tank missile can destroy a million dollar tank. Tanks are even useless in 3rd world countries
I'm thinking the second there is Russia/US conflict we will also have conflict between north and south Korea, with a Chinese assist, as well as Taiwan/China.
Perhaps the gulf states would erupt as well. Seeing as how Russia would he too busy to protect Syria from the Saudis. The balance of every conflict area would be off.
Why would china go after Taiwan? Is not like the pacific fleet would be occupied with Russia.
No doubt, it would be a world war because these 2 nations are holding a leash on nations that would otherwise be killing each other right now. Another one is Israel. Without the shadow of America protecting Israel Muslim majority nations would be attacking. The only safe place would be Southern Africa. Everywhere else would be chaos.
@@cloj4754 everything is in peace and quiet here in South America
@@1nsaniel If war starts do you think USA will attack Russia with 2 ships and 5 aircraft? They would heavily mobilise.
And still it would be impossible for USA alone to face both Russia and China.
@@1nsaniel Xi jing ping recent speech in the founding of Chinas 100th year communist party he said the reunification of china.
We would really love a collaboration with matsimus
I've talked to him a few times. Good guy!
Not just a good concept for a new book, but an actual war as well.
Another well timed recommendation from RUclips
The algorithm certainly has a sense of humor
You should read "1967 the water shed year" a brilliant book on Indo-China conflict along the Indo-Tibetan border. Im sure you'll find it interesting
Yeah, after recent events in Ukraine, I don't think this is much of a concern anymore. lol.
7 months later and it’s exactly as you predicted.
Damage to the ports was discussed in Red Storm Rising - Special Operations teams could cause craploads of damage to bridges and rail lines.
This was a plot point in one of the early chapters, that the SO teams were discovered after one got hit by a car.
LOL, 1 year later we discover the reality of what would happen. Russia would be crushed. Their military is so screwed up. I think we always overestimated the Soviets, and we have grossly overestimated the Russian Federation military.
People should read more Russian military history and see the common patterns. Russia does fine when against an invader, though with initial blunders. However, when Russia is the invader, their military performs abysmally.
There is a novel named "Red Metal" by Mark Greaney that provides a more modern context for a Russia/NATO war.
I read it too. It more realistic
@@arturoBbrito Anything is more realistic than the drivel Clancy spouted
@@pacus123 aww jealous
"Do you really think your computer and cellphone are protected from hackers and snoopers? Do you worry about people tracking your online movements and stealing your personal data?"
IF SO, THEN ROUTING ALL YOUR DATA THROUGH A SINGLE PROVIDER IS PROBABLY NOT A GREAT IDEA. Just keep using the encryption built into your browser.
Red Storm Rising is the kind of book that you can pick it up and just open any random page and start reading.
Absolutely!!!
I mean Russia can’t even take Ukraine
So basically Tom Clancy was the greatest tactician the USSR never had…
I think it would had been reckless, and something akin to Imperial Russia rushing into East Prussia in August 1914. NATO forces would had easily cut off Soviet and Warsaw Pact Forces if they invaded the North German Plain, and slowly destroy them and destroy half of the Soviet Navy if they invaded Iceland, Leaving an invasion route open for NATO through both Poland, and the Baltic open
@@aguaweasel very similar to the charge of the light brigade except that if the cannons had not been prepared and on the gunk one it could have been a route instead of a great story and tactical lesson…
The Navy may not have a direct S-3 Viking replacement but it does have the P-8 Poseidon though
NATO has not expanded to Russia's doorstep. The sovereign nations bordering Russia are not ''doorsteps''.
The nations which border Russia has voluntarily joined the NATO alliance on their own accord.
I actually read “Red Storm Rising” while being deployed in the Arctic Circle near a major soviet base in 1988. United States Marines….
Well at least i bet it prepared you to pull a LT Michael Edwards in case they invaded you lol
That made the book that much more enjoyable !!!
What a coincidense I just started reading red storm rising myself
Covert cabal: There's a tom clancy book called Red storm rising depicting a fictional ww3.
Me: Pauses video and goes to listen to it.
Me: 2 weeks later watching the video now. Thanks man! Awesome book!
Today, Russia doesn't go after command and control facilities very much!
Their way of war is very strange indeed and all they seem to want to do is piss off the populace of the country they are at war with!
I'd say Clancy was pretty spot-on with regard to their war making strategy.
Love these videos
The very first ground combat action in the book is a Spetznaz attack on a NATO communication node. That specific attacks is stopped by GSG9 but the book mentioned that several other sites were not as lucky.
I loved those parts of the book as I find them the most fascinating. i still go back sometimes and read the chapters on the opening shots of the war. The hat tips to GSG9 and SAS against Spetsnaz were incredible.
Red Storm Rising is more focused on the air/naval battles the ground combat detail is small
Team Yankee is more in depth about ground combat between NATO/Warsaw Pact forces in Germany during the cold war era
In red storm rising the Spetsnaz plans to damage the headquarters and other logistics airfields and ports
was stopped because the plans was discovered when the Spetsnaz commander was accidently hit and injured by a automobile.
yup he crossed a street in germany without looking and was captured when the officer responding to the accident just happened to be a Bundeswehr reserve captain with a security clearance who looked at the plans
@@LordOceanus Yeah i think that was the perfect excuse for Clancy avoid covering the ground boots combat war pov, he was already full with the Naval, Air and Armor aspect
@@radicalxg8282 not sure what you mean, avoid covering it?
Your ideas at 14:20 are a little bit too close for comfort.
I read the book way back in the late 80s while on active duty USAF. Great read, little bit biased towards NATO (maybe😁). For an opposing view, on the level of Team Yankee and World War III, read Red Army by Ralph Peters. Very good read from the Soviet viewpoint. Honestly, in the 80s, I think it really could have been flip a coin to see who would have won a conventional war in West Germany. Whomever caught the most breaks, would have probably won. Definitely would have probably been some of the bloodiest conflict ever.
The US had a limited battlefield Nuclear Strike package that was REQUIRED to be integrated into the overall NATO Battle operation plan due to sheer enormity of their and the Warsaw pact Armor divisions and it Looks Like Putin has adopted the Slow Massive Power Red War Machine all us old Cold Warriors knew and respected....but alas, the modern day Russians have teeth but nothing like the Mighty Massive Armies the Soviets Welded in the 80's....i was in the Us Navy back then both afloat and shore Admiral Intel Staffs....
@@ouicb Yeah, the Russian Bear is but a shadow of its former self now. Of course, neither do we have the troop levels either. But, I still think we have the advantage in a conflict today. I think it will be the reverse in a conflict with Putin. We would dominate and back the Russians into a corner. Then, they will come out with nukes. Kinda the opposite of the Cold War. I see where Germany is starting to rearm. German government just increased their military budget to 500 million euros. About time they wake up. They also need to deal with the influx of Arabs. That is a danger to the German nation too.
@@ouicb the teeth are kinda gone by now... Who knows next year, but for now...
@Stanley Harell: from what we see today, the bias was probably too much in favor of the Red Army...
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I always wondered about that too back in the 80s. If the balloon would have went up and we could have gotten air dominance in the first couple of days, it would gotten ugly for the Soviets. We all learned really well from the Israelis in the Six Day war and Yom Kippur how to defeat Soviet tactics.
The book does a pretty good job of explaining why Russia didn't declare total war against NATO and why the fighting didn't quite reach the mainland US. I suggest reading it again and paying close attention the first 10 chapters.
Great video other than a couple little things that I posted already! Tom Clancy was very prescient on SO many things - airliners as weapons, Stealth aircraft, China's military rise, etc etc etc etc. RSR was my favorite book when I was in high school (ninth grade when it came out in paper back), and when my pipe band toured the world in 1987/1988, I'd buy a copy of RSR in various countries, which all had different book covers. I have 8 different looking copies, with the Australian one being a gloss black cover with huge orange flames on it. Fantastic.
I have the Dutch version with me. Kinda bordeaux red, with the silhouette of a surfaced submarine and some persons on deck. Never toured the world tho
You are incorrect about the F-117 not having an air to air mission "originally". Carriage of the AIM 9 Sidewinder and AGM 122 Sidearm (anti radar sidewinder) was in the load out and we had the planned mission as a SUAWACS killer. I was present for more than one Sidewinder test on an aircraft fuselage mockup and an airborne test firing. Also on the aircraft was the RLS (RADAR Locator System) to monitor enemy RADAR. I retired off the F117 and was on the program from 1986 until 2003 as an Avionics and Weapons Field Service Rep and Engineer including deployment for 7 months during Desert Storm with the 416th TFS/37th TFW. The Acft also had a planned CAS tasking with AGM-65 Mavericks, CBU-87s and a proposal to add a removable gun pod in the weapons bay, the gun would fire through a gap between the fuselage and bay door when the weapons bay was slightly opened, The AGM65 was not removed as a selection until approx 1989.
Anyone else here after the recent events in ukraine?
Double edged sword. Russia thinks NATO is trying to surround them, ex baltic states and Europe think Russia has big plans and all join NATO (a defensive pact). Ex Baltic states have not forgotten what they went though with the USSR, and its well known that Putin wants to recreate it. So you have to look from each others POV. I would only say this, If NATO said 'Ok, lets disband NATO'.. Would Russia really play nice and not try to expand/influence where not wanted? not land grab and not infiltrate? There's a very good reason why so many wanted to join NATO. Russia trying to act like its done nothing wrong is the reason its quite an isolated country. In the west and NATO, many of us see Russia's frustration and actually do agree on some points, but they do themselves zero favours by denying everything and sticking their heads in the ground when their actions are proved wrong. Here's to friendship, but I think both sides leaders need enemies to stay in power. There's the problem right there.
The idea that if the mainland of the US is crippled in a significant manner during a war, Nukes would be used, PERIOD! Russia would do the same. The main is that the Russian military as a whole is very small. Too small to wage a full scale war against the US much less NATO!
Basically in a third world war it would in actuality reinforce the need for nukes, small countries without a strategic stockpile would be fair game, with their allies not really willing to deploy nukes against enemies who also have nukes on behalf of said country, perhaps a local counter strike but a nuke against st petersberg or LA, or in the case of china some city like Beijing, in addition to avoiding direct action against those countries beyond missile and naval actions and air raids. As long as thats avoided the big countries on both sides can essentially isolate the conflict to regional area's while insulating themselves from the biggest harm.
After that war small countries will probably start their own nuke programs so they atleast have a small arsenal
Hit the nail on the head. Now that we've seen Russia in the Ukraine, how does the scenario play out now?
Obviously tom clancy made a fortune on exaggerating the russian soviet military prowess! Now in 2022 we all know they are inept
In his defense just about everyone thought Russia was better than they are.
Just want to point out that the S-3 Viking WAS replaced, by the MH-60 LAMPS. Coupled with virtually every ship in a given fleet also operating their own ASW helo(s) nowadays, plus the much more widespread proliferation of maritime patrol bombers (P-3 Orion, P-8 Poseidon, etc), the loss of coverage is pretty minimal.
I have in the past been directly told by a F117 crew chief that the F117 was capable of using AIM-9 sidewinders. Take it for what it's worth.
Sounds pretty plausible, after all the jet's name is F-117 and not B-117 😉
@@ロース-z7m The name means very little. The USAF regularly used F- designations for attack aircraft like the F-111 and F-105
I read Red Storm Rising twenty years ago so it's wonderful to see your take on it today.
Team Yankee (Larry Bond, who co-authored RSR with Clancy) is another good read, using the same _The Third World War_ scenario Sir John Hackett wrote.
Red 'Just a Light Breeze' Rising.
I literally started this book three days ago, it is amazing. And here you are releasing the video. Anyway, I am not going to watch this video,I just saw it in my recommendations. Once I'll deal with the I'll come back for the video.
my fav military channel does a video about one of my fav military books....today was a good day.
thx for your content!
How would a war go between the USA and Russia today?
USA: Russia is one of our greatest threats.
Russia: *Today's war in Ukraine*.
USA: I greatly overestimated your ability.
You say you don't understand why the Soviets didn't attack command and control centers in the book, when the first thing they did to kick off the war was to use special ops forces to attack command and control centers. (?)
Could you do this type of video. On the Red Dawn scenario? Keep it up from Ireland 🇮🇪.
Given Russias performance in Ukraine just now I don't think RRS is even worthy of a comparison. Poland would probably take Russia by themselves let alone the US & rest of NATO.
"A western intelligence analysts job is to look at the new soviet [T72] and say 'oh my god this is so much better than anything we have! We're screwed!' Turns out it was a death trap. Just like everything else the Russians ever built." -Tom Clancy
The main differences are probably economic. While the Soviet economy was smaller than the US economy, when Red Storm Rising was written, it was probably big enough to keep it in the game for a while. The Russian Federation for contrast, would get out produced very rapidly in a drawn out war.
By who ? The US? We can't even produce enough 155 mm artillery shells . We no longer have the manufacturing ability We did during the cold war. We shipped the overwhelming majority of our industrial base to China, Western Europe followed suit . Russia is one of the few countries that has kept their ability to manufacture in mass that a war time " economy "would require.
It would be a very very short invasion.
Covert Cabal/ Binkov combo in the future?
Binkov's strategy level is computer strategic game .You cannot compare numbers only and not taking in consideration nuclear weapons and alliances.
Binkov fell off, he’s to scared to depict country vs country that will have a hard comment war under them.
@@usecriticalthinking243 he did an armenia vs azerbaijan before the actual shooting happed
@@shaider1982 yeah but he's reluctant to do more vs and rather do U.K vs France over and over.
Well this didnt age well.
Thats right! Fully agree with everything yousaid. keep up the good work.
The scenario; as described -doesn't make a lick of sense.
Need oil; so start a massive war that will require a massive amount of oil, just so you can then then start another war, so you can then seize oil fields; that you then have to rebuild.
Maybe it was inspired by a badly simplified or misunderstanding of WW2 Japan's situation.
@@DeDyson Or Russia invading for the sake of it... I mean the only reason why they didn't is because of nukes and now that everyone assumes the other won't use them why not make war?
You're wrong
They didn't know shale oil is a thing. Who will though that US will be exporter of oil
It will go down like this, fruhstuck in Berlin, petite dejeneur in Paris, siesta in Madrid and tapas in Porto, all in one day. Did I mention the Dutch don’t have live ammo ?
that is something of the past my friend. Defence budget have been increase and will do so for the next years
Don't forget that those same _buffer nations_ can't afford to lose access to cheap Russian gas. This could definitely put a wedge in the heart of NATO. Needless to say, and regardless of their dependence on natural gas, they won't take kindly to having T-14s drive through them.
Russia stopped production of the T-14 tank in 2018 after building just 20 of them. Not so scary.
@@alabamacoastie6924 That goes to show you how much I know about modern Ru tanks! :)
The nice thing is that they like living with Russian gas, but they *can* afford to live without it if they have to. Most of these states are exceedingly small and exceedingly wealthy and/or members of the EU which would open up methods to import energy.
@@alabamacoastie6924 Russia is having serious money issues in purchasing equipment. The Russian Gov't demands the United Aircraft Corporation to build more planes, but doesn't pay for them, and ask UAC to take out loans to pay for the aircraft, which in turn, they have all these outstanding loans, and jeopardizing the Russian Bank Industry..
The F-117 actually had AIM-9s and had the task of killing AWACS. You can confirm this if you listen to the interview of a F-117 on the fighter pilot podcast. He mentioned the AIM-9 when they talked about the F-117s armament.
That's interesting, I think in the novel if I remember correctly, the f117 only had bombs, right?
@@kbanghart Well I thought the same but it turns out there was more than bombs . I guess after 1991 and the fall of the Soviet Union the AWACS killer mission wasn't needed and I think that is the reason we really never saw the F-117 displaying that capability . Never the less it had that capacity . When it comes to the novel I can't say if it had or not that capability but I would think that it wasn't included .
hi, fyi, the F117 did have air to air anti awacs mission capability @covert cabal, with sidewinders. check out the f117 pilot interviews on @Fighter Pilot Podcast
As we just saw a few weeks ago, our SOSUS replacement is quite capable. The US Navy published the hour by hour location of a Russian sub meant to be doing a patrol off of Florida.
Tom Clancy was a great author. Love his books. Sad he is gone.