Sadly the real platoon sergeant passed away in Spain last year after a long battle with Alzheimer's, a top bloke and a proud fusilier wounded in Korea. The krays never filled him in, they were constantly on rp's and jailed due to being unfit to soldier and subsequently binned. RIP Laurie
My step-brother, who had the same attitude but not as much gravitas as a Kray wanted to get out of the reserves so he walked up to one of his superior officers to announce "Private Wilsmore reporting for discharge Sir" and promptly hit him in the head, Ha-Ha-Ha ~ He got three months in the civil jail plus a dishonorable discharge which caused my old WW2 sergeant stepfather to hold a permanent grudge, lousy bastard told my stepfather that it was 'MY' idea which, well, truth is it was ;-)
@@mikel4663 , no probs Mike , 'Bunny' Dearsley ' was also served in Korea, my father a life long buddy of his was a a bit younger and only joined the 1st RRF later coming from the Coldstream guards to take over as Drum Major. I heard the stories of the Krays from Bunny from hisown lips many a time . His wife Pat ,on His passing away was contacted by one of the Krays ,who remembered him very well and gave their condolences .
"You've got nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly!" What a great quote, which reminds me of another, this one from Spencer Tracey in Bad Day at Black Roak, "You're not only wrong, you're wrong at the top of your voice!"
I've always thought it was highly unlikely that this happened. Hard men though the Krays were, the British army would have plenty of hard cases of their own that would have eaten the pair of them for breakfast. Still...scene setting etc.
There were hard NCOs in the army but that didn’t bother the Krays or other tough, reluctant conscripts that got the better of the military authorities. That was swept under the carpet the army didn’t want its reputation tarnished.
The krays were bully's. They spent most of their NS in nick,and the Army would have been glad to get rid of them.Maybe the thought of of fighting an enemy that didn't back down just scared them. I would not have trusted them in combat.
@@keiko909 No mate...I know it's "dramatised" and thus has something (poetic?) license to make it "work" but when directors start rewriting history it an affront to those who were there...I'm in my 60s now but back in the day I worked for Maltese Joe on the hotdog trolleys around central London (out of Neal Street Covent Garden if remember)...I went to school with Joes son and earning proper dosh was to much of an incentive...coming from the Lewisham area we were well aware of what occurred though we were more Richardsons inclined if you know what I mean...bottom line was it was a nasty, violent, vulgar sociopathic way and to make it into some scrubbed up movie for the consumption of the public that are prone to confuse a movie with reality for money is as low...at least as low as what went down then👉🇬🇧👉🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮 ps like your Carry On comment!!
This scene never happened like this, in real life & it involved a corporal & not a Sergeant, as shown here. The Krays reported for duty at the Tower of London (Home to the Royal Fusileers at the time) & they attempted to leave, after enrolling. A corporal tried to stop them from leaving & Ronnie Kray punched him, in the jaw, seriously injuring him. The police arrested them, the next day & turned them over to the army. If they are going to do a biographical film, then at least show scenes, that were truthful & not semi-true or completely, made-up.
Bug Eyes Its implied in a few scenes, that Ronnies boyfriend, was underage & that their relationship happened in the days, when being gay, was illegal & carried a jail sentence. His rent-boy lover, I think? Only Ronnie, shagged rent-boys or young boys. Reggie was married to that woman.
@@geezerp1982 oh Ronnie definitely was not the bitch he was always the giver and there was an article written that said most young lads would run and hide when Ronnie was walking the streets because he'd often eye up the boys he fancied and he didn't care if you were gay or straight, if Ronnie wanted them he had them and if any tried to resist of refuse they'd get their heads kicked in. He was a scary bastard and he loved the younger boys.
This is funny. I grew up on Kipling and John Wayne I was destined for the Army.Dakota Meyer lived close to where I went to school in Kentucky. Good ole boy. Cheers !
I read a book on National Service as told by various former National Servicemen, most of them said NS should never be re-introduced as it was so awful, particuarly in the Army - One tale was about a lad (in basic training) who turned up late for a parade and when questioned by the Sgt. Major he said all smug 'I was having a shit sir!' - The Sgt. Major flipped, had the lad carted off by the MP's and the storyteller said the next time he seen him he was painting kerb stones in the camp with a toothbrush sporting a freshly shaved head and two black eyes. So from that account I reckon the Krays got their fair share of 'discipline' in a similar manner
Uno. Your words conflict everything I've read and understood. Most National Servicemen agree NS was tough, unpleasant and repetitive, but admit it gave them the best grounding and sense of self-discipline in their lives. Qualities sorely lacking in society today, although whether NS is useful in todays armed services is highly improbable. My father who was a S/NCO, and a regular from WW2 couldn't stand National Servicemen because they were unwillingly pressed into service, largely ineffective, and only there for a limited period.
Agree, the Army was well used to people who thought they were hard-cases. The reality of that time is that the individual did what they were told or were ground to powder - that sergeant had probably killed more men in the war than those two gangsters did in their whole career.
They were, they got sent to the Provos and would have had an absolute beating for it then they got kicked out. Personally I think they should have made them stay then sent them somewhere abysmally shit
Can’t really see that happening in the army. Have seen one guy who went to hit a corporal in training, his ass never touched the ground until he was thrown out 30 mins later a bit worse for wear.
My Father RAF 1935 -1972 hated these national service people he had to teach and put up with in the 50s and 60s !! He said half of them didn't want to be there and didn't want to learn it made his job much harder and it was draining and it took away the resources and effort from those who did want to be there, learn and make a career of the RAF !
The charge would have dumb insolance and the Kray's would have immediately been given a dishonourable discharge they wouldn't have even wasted their time trying to take them to the brig because they were only a few days into their service - The were still recruit's had they been privates it would have been alot different
I spent 2 years in the Army Reserve keep that in mind Since the Krays were brother's neither would have dobbed on the other so when asked by the RSM ( Regimental Sgt Major ) both would have remained silent hence forth the charge of dumb insolence and then having struck a superior officer and not having completed basic training they simply would have been dishonourably discharged with immediate effect The army wouldn't have wasted their time having them sent to correction centre
The sergeant would have been locked up for wearing a ridiculous hat like that. You break a hacksaw blade and insert it so it pushes the crown of the hat up, then you take a razor blade and cut the stitching at the edges of the peak which allows you to push the peak down to a sharper angle. It’s called a slashed peak. Then just close the gap where the stitching was by sewing it closed. Job done. I did this to my hat in the British Army which I had for 12 years (and later to my Prison Service cap) and always felt smarter!
Well, does it matter if it's not accurate? Who believes what's in the movies anyway, especially these days. What's important is showing the Krays for who they were, couldn't hack national service and spent most of their lives inside jails as common criminals. No good for the army either. Just wonder if the MP's gave 'em a good kicking?
Couldn't hack it, or just thought it was a waste of time and had what they felt were better things to do with their lives. Most of what the British Army was doing in the 1950s was killing indigenous people who wanted to run their own countries.
No drill Sergeant would ever be seen with a bus conductors hat on his head. The hat would not look like a wet pork pie. The scene bombs on that massive fail.
A slice of Mother's Pride, innit. You left your door open all night and nobody came - a dose of National Service wouldn't have nobody no 'arm, Gor Bligh Me Guvnor! Do the Okey-Cokey and they all 'ad wots coming to them and No Mistake!
Conscript armies are only good for major wars in which you need cannon fodder. Outside of that they're poorly trained 90% of the time serious tensions always prevail in such a force since most can't wait to get back home. They're also expensive due to their larger size. Conscripts will never be better than volunteers except in rare circumstances.
We did the same training and same jobs as regulars,in fact we were all Treated the same ,except for pay! Also two thirds of the soldiers that fought in the Korean War were NS,and nearly 400 were Killed in action.
In Singapore we still have National Service or Forced Conscription more accurately ^^ Please don't ever let your government impose this on the population as its a basic human rights violation and there is nothing macho or romantic about it!
Check out "Bad Lads" Army on RUclips!. In that programme they had "so-called hard" Brown twins who were really pussies. THE ex-girlfriend of Bad Lads' Army star Luke Brown exposed him as a "violent animal" who hit her in front of their baby son." Luke comes across as the big, hard, bad lad but he is nothing but a coward,"
Absolutely.I am a retired police officer.The Krays should not be honoured in any way.They were just the usual idiots who chose a life of criminality which git them locked up for life. Clever guys!
I heard of one in the RNZAF who's drink was lightly drugged and when he was walking back staggering was mugged, dragged into an alleyway and beaten senseless. Too this day no one knows who did it or cared, even the MP's didn't like him and he remembered nothing. I greatly disapprove of such stuff but that is how it's done.
British army was stretched at That time korea malaya kenya So numbers were made up with conscripts! Actually they could have dropped the age to 14 to Attract more recruits Without resorting to national Service many guys lied about Their age or forged their birth Certificates in ww1 and 2
catpainblackudder01 He probably said it sarcastically to wind up the Sergeant, as he knew it would annoy him. In Bad Lads Army, Sergeant Rae went mental at a bad lad for calling him Sarge.
@@Hydro2oo9 Well I can only speak from my own experience, I served 14 years in the British Army, but I never once heard Sarge used. Now Sarnt as the shortened form I heard always. Now there may be reasons for that, that are specific to my experience, the period that I was in and perhaps the Corps I was in and or the Units that I was attached to.
@@threestepssideways1202 That's probably what I got mixed up with, although you will know much more than myself with serving in the forces. I can't actually remember writing my original comment at all though.
daft film..REALLY awful script...bigs up the whole crime scene of the 60s...I know about artistic licence but this is make believe...I know I was there
The Krays could have ended uo in Korea as some Fusiliers, incliuding Michael Caine, were sent there in 1951 and 1952. Maybe planting the NCO was a way out for them, big brave men then, as some of the men in their platoon would have served and probably not made it back.
@@Nooziterp1 Michael Caine spent 10 months with the same regiment in Korea and said it was the most frightening time in his life. Yet the big, hard Kray twins bottled it and were kicked out for being too useless and insubordinate.
This was (and still is) one way the army dealt with recruits who won't fall into line. Punish the whole platoon and let them punish who is responsible.
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 It's effective though. The platoon will not forget who got them all punished and so make sure they don't fall out of line again. Under threat of a beating if they do.
The Krays ended up where they deserved. Wasting away in prison. Nothing much has been written or said of their firm once they were banged up. Did other criminal gangs come in and take over their patch? I read Reg Krays autobiography 20 years ago. A relatively thin book with not much substance.
This Scene is so Incredibly Stupid and Unrealistic, with the Krays hitting a Drill Instructor. In most Militaries in the western world, you would be severely punished for that and thrown in the Brig. Nobody would be laughing then.
Sadly true. They were not the least menacing as the real item. Although there were some superb supporting actors that managed to prop it up. Someone needs to make a better version.
Yes it is, far superior to the weak Legend. And it portrayed them for what they were too, no rose tinted glasses. And the Kemp brothers were an inspired choice, also the great supporting cast, especially Billie Whitelaw as Vi.
I think rise and fall of the Krays was the most accurate but it was badly cast badly scripted and badly acted the twins sounded like two posh blokes who'd done a three day course in how to sound tough "a little bird told me that you've been saying fings abaht me an ma bruver"
Soldiers acting like that let alone hitting the sergeant is ridicules. They would have been taken away and dealt with .So afterwards they flinch if the sergeant speaks loudly at them. Films give bullshit version of life.
imagine if these 2 were running uk today ! think they wouldn't let the boats in? many slag them off but they were family people looking after there own not migrants 1000 miles away shame people like this don't appear more often cause i would vote them, think trump musk should go for running the uk men with balls
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Sadly the real platoon sergeant passed away in Spain last year after a long battle with Alzheimer's, a top bloke and a proud fusilier wounded in Korea. The krays never filled him in, they were constantly on rp's and jailed due to being unfit to soldier and subsequently binned. RIP Laurie
My step-brother, who had the same attitude but not as much gravitas as a Kray wanted to get out of the reserves so he walked up to one of his superior officers to announce "Private Wilsmore reporting for discharge Sir" and promptly hit him in the head, Ha-Ha-Ha ~ He got three months in the civil jail plus a dishonorable discharge which caused my old WW2 sergeant stepfather to hold a permanent grudge, lousy bastard told my stepfather that it was 'MY' idea which, well, truth is it was ;-)
Bunny Dearsley was also a RP who had to deal with the Krays , my dad was Drum Major of the 1RRF Pip Piper , names ring any bells ?
@David Clark he really was a top fella, that scene is total crap.. laughable
@@raymondpiper8294 it doesn't mate sorry
@@mikel4663 , no probs Mike , 'Bunny' Dearsley ' was also served in Korea, my father a life long buddy of his was a a bit younger and only joined the 1st RRF later coming from the Coldstream guards to take over as Drum Major. I heard the stories of the Krays from Bunny from hisown lips many a time . His wife Pat ,on His passing away was contacted by one of the Krays ,who remembered him very well and gave their condolences .
"You've got nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly!"
What a great quote, which reminds me of another, this one from Spencer Tracey in Bad Day at Black Roak, "You're not only wrong, you're wrong at the top of your voice!"
So... bollock!
I've always thought it was highly unlikely that this happened. Hard men though the Krays were, the British army would have plenty of hard cases of their own that would have eaten the pair of them for breakfast. Still...scene setting etc.
I don't know about that, they were total nutters with unpredictable behaviour.
@@markusjohnson6558 true
True - a lot of the Training Staff would have seen action in Korea or even WW2 and would have hammered the Krays into the ground
They were however ejected from the army for doing similar things.
There were hard NCOs in the army but that didn’t bother the Krays or other tough, reluctant conscripts that got the better of the military authorities. That was swept under the carpet the army didn’t want its reputation tarnished.
The only part of army training the Krays were interested in was weapons training. Ironically they both turned out to be lousy bloody shots.
Ive read that several times in old gangland books, their driving abilities where even worse!
Shooting takes patience and discipline, something neither of the degenerate thugs possessed.
Except when Ronnie shot Cordell
The krays were bully's. They spent most of their NS in nick,and the Army would have been glad to get rid of them.Maybe the thought of of fighting an enemy that didn't back down just scared them.
I would not have trusted them in combat.
Yep, coupla pufters they were!
Imagine puting their heads a bomb you and have the remote detonator
@@hrafnofthule5962 to be fair only one was...lol
@@nchcroy3877 they both were.
Hrafn of Thule now now dearie, it’s 2020
Looks like the Carry On films people tried to make a movie about something serious.
lol i thought i was the only one who had that feeling when watching this clip
@@keiko909 No mate...I know it's "dramatised" and thus has something (poetic?) license to make it "work" but when directors start rewriting history it an affront to those who were there...I'm in my 60s now but back in the day I worked for Maltese Joe on the hotdog trolleys around central London (out of Neal Street Covent Garden if remember)...I went to school with Joes son and earning proper dosh was to much of an incentive...coming from the Lewisham area we were well aware of what occurred though we were more Richardsons inclined if you know what I mean...bottom line was it was a nasty, violent, vulgar sociopathic way and to make it into some scrubbed up movie for the consumption of the public that are prone to confuse a movie with reality for money is as low...at least as low as what went down then👉🇬🇧👉🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮 ps like your Carry On comment!!
Contrary to what the advocates of National Service say, it definitely didn't knock any sense of discipline into these wayward twins.
Look @ the Black Panther he did National Service it inspired his crimes
This scene never happened like this, in real life & it involved a corporal & not a Sergeant, as shown here. The Krays reported for duty at the Tower of London (Home to the Royal Fusileers at the time) & they attempted to leave, after enrolling. A corporal tried to stop them from leaving & Ronnie Kray punched him, in the jaw, seriously injuring him. The police arrested them, the next day & turned them over to the army.
If they are going to do a biographical film, then at least show scenes, that were truthful & not semi-true or completely, made-up.
Bug Eyes Its implied in a few scenes, that Ronnies boyfriend, was underage & that their relationship happened in the days, when being gay, was illegal & carried a jail sentence. His rent-boy lover, I think?
Only Ronnie, shagged rent-boys or young boys. Reggie was married to that woman.
@@MarineAqua45 did ronnie give or was he the bitch ?
It’s a movie, not a documentary...you can’t expect EVERYTHING to be 100% accurate to the real life event
@@geezerp1982 oh Ronnie definitely was not the bitch he was always the giver and there was an article written that said most young lads would run and hide when Ronnie was walking the streets because he'd often eye up the boys he fancied and he didn't care if you were gay or straight, if Ronnie wanted them he had them and if any tried to resist of refuse they'd get their heads kicked in. He was a scary bastard and he loved the younger boys.
This is funny. I grew up on Kipling and John Wayne I was destined for the Army.Dakota Meyer lived close to where I went to school in Kentucky. Good ole boy. Cheers !
"you got nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly"
Now that was a national service
Absolute bollocks. Anyone striking a superior rank back then got kicked hair to death
But not the KRAYS!
@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749says who?
Then from the injuries are entitled to a medical discharge. Desired result.
Thanks sergeant major
They did if you watch the film ! They got duffed up and slung in a cell after this !
I read a book on National Service as told by various former National Servicemen, most of them said NS should never be re-introduced as it was so awful, particuarly in the Army - One tale was about a lad (in basic training) who turned up late for a parade and when questioned by the Sgt. Major he said all smug 'I was having a shit sir!' - The Sgt. Major flipped, had the lad carted off by the MP's and the storyteller said the next time he seen him he was painting kerb stones in the camp with a toothbrush sporting a freshly shaved head and two black eyes. So from that account I reckon the Krays got their fair share of 'discipline' in a similar manner
Uno. Your words conflict everything I've read and understood. Most National Servicemen agree NS was tough, unpleasant and repetitive, but admit it gave them the best grounding and sense of self-discipline in their lives. Qualities sorely lacking in society today, although whether NS is useful in todays armed services is highly improbable.
My father who was a S/NCO, and a regular from WW2 couldn't stand National Servicemen because they were unwillingly pressed into service, largely ineffective, and only there for a limited period.
That scene is bollocks. They would have had the living shit kicked out of them doing that
Agree, the Army was well used to people who thought they were hard-cases. The reality of that time is that the individual did what they were told or were ground to powder - that sergeant had probably killed more men in the war than those two gangsters did in their whole career.
They would have found out there are eight corners to a room , four on the floor and four on the ceiling.
They were, they got sent to the Provos and would have had an absolute beating for it then they got kicked out. Personally I think they should have made them stay then sent them somewhere abysmally shit
The soldier would not have spoken like that either. This is taken directly from american movies.
The Krays would of taken on the army easily. Rambo did it against the Russians.
Can’t really see that happening in the army. Have seen one guy who went to hit a corporal in training, his ass never touched the ground until he was thrown out 30 mins later a bit worse for wear.
The Krays were big blokes.
@@NoirFan84 carl Rees they weren't very big 5 feet 8 inches give or take an inch
They gave him some drinks?
This incident happened for real,but the nco was a corporal (& not a sergeant:-) whose jaw was badly hurt.
You're grinning like a bloody cheshire cat.
My Father RAF 1935 -1972 hated these national service people he had to teach and put up with in the 50s and 60s !! He said half of them didn't want to be there and didn't want to learn it made his job much harder and it was draining and it took away the resources and effort from those who did want to be there, learn and make a career of the RAF !
Nicking and thieving during the blitz..
Only one of the Kray boys did the punching but the military couldn't tell which one did it so they both got placed on charges.
You're been reading to many of their books
The charge would have dumb insolance and the Kray's would have immediately been given a dishonourable discharge they wouldn't have even wasted their time trying to take them to the brig because they were only a few days into their service - The were still recruit's had they been privates it would have been alot different
I didn't know what dumb insolence led to an immediate dishonourable discharge or that punching an NCO came under the heading of dumb insolence
I spent 2 years in the Army Reserve keep that in mind
Since the Krays were brother's neither would have dobbed on the other so when asked by the RSM ( Regimental Sgt Major ) both would have remained silent hence forth the charge of dumb insolence and then having struck a superior officer and not having completed basic training they simply would have been dishonourably discharged with immediate effect
The army wouldn't have wasted their time having them sent to correction centre
There were you
Home for a cup of tea with our mum, would be a great line to quit a Job with. Absolutely brilliant!!
The sergeant would have been locked up for wearing a ridiculous hat like that. You break a hacksaw blade and insert it so it pushes the crown of the hat up, then you take a razor blade and cut the stitching at the edges of the peak which allows you to push the peak down to a sharper angle. It’s called a slashed peak. Then just close the gap where the stitching was by sewing it closed. Job done. I did this to my hat in the British Army which I had for 12 years (and later to my Prison Service cap) and always felt smarter!
Thanks pike
Well, does it matter if it's not accurate? Who believes what's in the movies anyway, especially these days. What's important is showing the Krays for who they were, couldn't hack national service and spent most of their lives inside jails as common criminals. No good for the army either. Just wonder if the MP's gave 'em a good kicking?
Couldn't hack it, or just thought it was a waste of time and had what they felt were better things to do with their lives. Most of what the British Army was doing in the 1950s was killing indigenous people who wanted to run their own countries.
No drill Sergeant would ever be seen with a bus conductors hat on his head. The hat would not look like a wet pork pie. The scene bombs on that massive fail.
The monty pythons piranha brothers satire saying they were too unstable even for national service!
"That's a very nice regiment you've got out there Colonel......be a shame if something was to happen to them"
As if this actually happened...you’ll be telling me next that on the way home they beat up Ali and Cooper for fun.
Ali Bongo and Tommy Cooper?
@@jimmorrison2657 😂😂😂😂 Ali Bongo
"You got nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly. So..."
"Bollocks!"
@MrHappyBollox Gotcha.
my right ear enjoyed this
A slice of Mother's Pride, innit. You left your door open all night and nobody came - a dose of National Service wouldn't have nobody no 'arm, Gor Bligh Me Guvnor! Do the Okey-Cokey and they all 'ad wots coming to them and No Mistake!
Aah divvint knaa what you jus' said, gadgie. Howay man, gan gerrus a Geordie translataa.
Lawd luv a duck you got that right me ol cok sparrer you're a toff and a gent gawd bless ya
The caddet who was laughing 😂😂😂😂 in the middle of the sergeants speech, you can tell he was the Joker of the pack😂😂😂😂
Conscript armies are only good for major wars in which you need cannon fodder. Outside of that they're poorly trained 90% of the time serious tensions always prevail in such a force since most can't wait to get back home. They're also expensive due to their larger size. Conscripts will never be better than volunteers except in rare circumstances.
We did the same training and same jobs as regulars,in fact we were all
Treated the same ,except for pay!
Also two thirds of the soldiers that fought in the Korean War were NS,and
nearly 400 were Killed in action.
_"They kept us smiling with Stanley knives, and they only killed their own"..._ #Viz #CockneyWanker
The Krays should have refused to wear the army uniform in the first place.
The NCOs cap looks like nothing ever seen in British Army..all misshaped
In Singapore we still have National Service or Forced Conscription more accurately ^^ Please don't ever let your government impose this on the population as its a basic human rights violation and there is nothing macho or romantic about it!
Only makes the higher ranks feel better about themselves.
It's like a British version of Full Metal Jacket lol
Full Metal Cardigan? 😂
Check out "Bad Lads" Army on RUclips!. In that programme they had "so-called hard" Brown twins who were really pussies. THE ex-girlfriend of Bad Lads' Army star Luke Brown exposed him as a "violent animal" who hit her in front of their baby son." Luke comes across as the big, hard, bad lad but he is nothing but a coward,"
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GREAT.
i’m an ex SGT Major they would not have got away with striking an NCO!
Absolutely.I am a retired police officer.The Krays should not be honoured in any way.They were just the usual idiots who chose a life of criminality which git them locked up for life. Clever guys!
I heard of one in the RNZAF who's drink was lightly drugged and when he was walking back staggering was mugged, dragged into an alleyway and beaten senseless. Too this day no one knows who did it or cared, even the MP's didn't like him and he remembered nothing.
I greatly disapprove of such stuff but that is how it's done.
@@jakethomas3205 well only because they decided to do the crimes rather than have henchman do it
How dare they called people up for conscription; it was an evil way to treat reluctant young men.
@@paulcrewe3125 Typical pathetic response, the reason this country is in such a state!
Sleep Shit & Fuck When We Tell You!! 😂😂😂
I would have laughed too. 🤣
He said "eat, shit and fart and we tell you".
British army was stretched at
That time korea malaya kenya
So numbers were made up with conscripts!
Actually they could have dropped the age to 14 to
Attract more recruits
Without resorting to national
Service many guys lied about
Their age or forged their birth
Certificates in ww1 and 2
The Krays always had henchmen to do their dirty work....ruled with fear but looked after their own
The only people they ever looked after was themselves
You are not in Spandau Ballet anymore!
True!
Far from laughing, the other recruits would have torn the Kray's to pieces in seconds.
No they would have not, that lot was the same as outside the military with the attitude "don't get involved". 😂
If this is what National Service consisted of then thank God they got rid of it
The Kemp twins boys were definitely better looking than the real Krays!
The only the the krays were punching were each others dots
We would like to think that is possible, especially when standing at attention for two hours under a hot Texas sun, and we know it is only a wish.
More garbage from the "entertainment" industry. That never happened!
Were you there then?
Please tell us what really happened.
Fanx in advance 👍
Even the Kray's would not have done something so stupid, I am sure.
They would have got a real good thrashing by the NCO's 'chums'.
No,they did this for real,but it was to a Corporal & not a sergeant.
Did that British soldier really say "sarge", what does he think he is, American.....
Never been in the military I take it.
catpainblackudder01 He probably said it sarcastically to wind up the Sergeant, as he knew it would annoy him. In Bad Lads Army, Sergeant Rae went mental at a bad lad for calling him Sarge.
sarge isn't American, what are you on about? it's an English as fuck saying.
@@Hydro2oo9 Well I can only speak from my own experience, I served 14 years in the British Army, but I never once heard Sarge used. Now Sarnt as the shortened form I heard always. Now there may be reasons for that, that are specific to my experience, the period that I was in and perhaps the Corps I was in and or the Units that I was attached to.
@@threestepssideways1202 That's probably what I got mixed up with, although you will know much more than myself with serving in the forces. I can't actually remember writing my original comment at all though.
My left ear is a bit lonely
This was a much better film than the Tom Hardy one
Really, the new one is good has well.
Not the first man the Krays gave a fist...
daft film..REALLY awful script...bigs up the whole crime scene of the 60s...I know about artistic licence but this is make believe...I know I was there
@Craig Sterling EXACTLY MATE 💯 %
We found British sarge Hartman.
The second they started walking he would've jumped them.
Full metal jacket FAIL
As if. They were a pair of fannies
If there were National Service today, probably over 90 percent of young men would not be intimidated by an NCO like that.
90% of men would not serve today.
Nobody likes being shouted at
The Krays could have ended uo in Korea as some Fusiliers, incliuding Michael Caine, were sent there in 1951 and 1952. Maybe planting the NCO was a way out for them, big brave men then, as some of the men in their platoon would have served and probably not made it back.
They may have been tough guys in London but they wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in Korea. Or in world war 2 like the sergeant.
@@Nooziterp1 Michael Caine spent 10 months with the same regiment in Korea and said it was the most frightening time in his life. Yet the big, hard Kray twins bottled it and were kicked out for being too useless and insubordinate.
@@Glenn1967ful As I say they may have been tough in London but put them in a real war situation and they would have folded like a pack of cards.
Really hard men tnen, while people like Michael Caine were prepared to serve in Korea.
Most states are historically very reluctant to have a conscripted army.
Twin Mobsters!!
Thought this would be a tea commercial
I love that scene!
Bollocks,they just ran off😂😂
Royal Army Battalion!
Complete loads of bollocks, the real way is the rest of them are punished the peer group then sort out the knobs.
This was (and still is) one way the army dealt with recruits who won't fall into line. Punish the whole platoon and let them punish who is responsible.
@@Nooziterp1 narcissistic control mechanism.
Really manipulative.
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 It's effective though. The platoon will not forget who got them all punished and so make sure they don't fall out of line again. Under threat of a beating if they do.
The Krays ended up where they deserved. Wasting away in prison. Nothing much has been written or said of their firm once they were banged up. Did other criminal gangs come in and take over their patch? I read Reg Krays autobiography 20 years ago. A relatively thin book with not much substance.
I saw what happened. The Sergeant stepped on a piece of wet soap...
Pix046 I agree then at least they wouldn't go on blood soaked rampage
This scene was pure unadulterated bs.
Sorry but the kemp bros couldn’t act , I’ve seen less wood in a forest
this rise and fall of the krays is just so awful, seen better acting from the kids show. the woodentops in the fifties
i want to see tom hardy do this scene
Nonsense
Full Metal Jacket rip off
They wouldn’t have done that to GySgt Hartman … and lived.
I eat sergeants for breakfast.
Yeah that’s not how it goes if you ask me lmao
Top scene
I thought the krays where twins,
This Scene is so Incredibly Stupid and Unrealistic, with the Krays hitting a Drill Instructor. In most Militaries in the western world, you would be severely punished for that and thrown in the Brig. Nobody would be laughing then.
They were in prison in the next scene, to be fair.
Shame they were bum charms
توحشت راس لبعويدة و صاحبو لي جاو ليا للدوار ف صباح !
9bel ma ndir combat !
هادوك موالين لوشام !
I detest army NCOs especially staff sergeants.
NEXT GIVE THIS SERGEANT A BUNCH OF VIETNAM ERA USA DRAFTEES!!
SEE HOW HE DOES WITH THEM!!
LOL LOL
Truely awful film was the krays neither entertaining or factual.
the kemp brothers couldn't act their way out of a paper bag
Sadly true. They were not the least menacing as the real item. Although there were some superb supporting actors that managed to prop it up. Someone needs to make a better version.
As if! They would’ve been twatted if they did this to a superior maybe even killed back in the 60’s
Nah, I did this to my sergeant, and fuck all happened to me.
Not really, I just made it up 👍
Sarge.
Saaaaaarge!!
Just like the brothers in “ bad lads army” weak bully’s
I remember that. They were all tough till they encountered military discipline. That soon sorted them out.
I thought he was talking about snowflakes fashion sense and social media xD
The best version of the Krays film
Yes it is, far superior to the weak Legend. And it portrayed them for what they were too, no rose tinted glasses. And the Kemp brothers were an inspired choice, also the great supporting cast, especially Billie Whitelaw as Vi.
@@pwareham61 Legend was more accurate though
I think rise and fall of the Krays was the most accurate but it was badly cast badly scripted and badly acted the twins sounded like two posh blokes who'd done a three day course in how to sound tough "a little bird told me that you've been saying fings abaht me an ma bruver"
Soldiers acting like that let alone hitting the sergeant is ridicules. They would have been taken away and dealt with .So afterwards they flinch if the sergeant speaks loudly at them. Films give bullshit version of life.
Totally agree with you.
thats why its just a movie
This incident did happen for real,but with a corporal instead & the Krays were imprisoned & probably,beaten up too.
Looooooooool
Yeah not a human being right ... Phah
imagine if these 2 were running uk today ! think they wouldn't let the boats in? many slag them off but they were family people looking after there own not migrants 1000 miles away shame people like this don't appear more often cause i would vote them, think trump musk should go for running the uk men with balls
What a load of old shit, seriously.
very seriously shit! dog shit cat shit cow shit human shit yes 100%
😂
Double punched by The Krays?
*you will sleep when we tell you!*
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