What jobs in the Army will see combat
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- There are some jobs or MOS that are more likely to see combat in the Army.
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You can go to fort hood to see combat in a noncombat zone.
Heard Fort Hood is corrupted but idk
This is a very underrated comment
The stay strapped or get clapped on post good place.
Sad but true
Its a great place 🤘🏼
I was a combat cook. I used to jump into combat zones and set up a hasty kitchen position and serve the troops while under fire. I was the winner of the Silver Spatula twice and had multiple dinner and breakfast deployments under fire under my belt. I was also awarded the Combat Cooking Spoon with 2 stars.
@TheDoonzman its actually very true.
@TheDoonzman no one can whip up a breakfast or brunch dinner under fire like a combat cook. We're truly Extra Special Forces.
@TheDoonzman it even includes green eggs and ham.
Yeeeees !!!! Combat Cooks !!! Those fuckers can fight and party !!!
Holy shit this is sick
Pick an MOS you think you’ll enjoy doing, not based on whether they’ll deploy and see combat.
God thank you! I agree 100%
Gotta disagree. If you’ll enjoy combat and deploying then that’s what your going to pick your MOS based on. That’s why people go infantry and ranger, they want action.
CC Ryder is that -10 Celsius?
@@iknow4913 Yes, but the vast majority of military jobs are non-combat. Those that actively seek direct combat roles are a minority, hence his rule is a good general rule.
@TheDoonzman cause some people want to train at a job and would rather not pay a college 30,000 dollars for classes in Shakespeare for a useless liberal arts degree
To enlighten some things as a 12B Combat Engineer it really depends on your unit. If you fall into a mechanized unit then yeah your main mission is mobility (route clearance) however, if you fall into a light sapper company you’ll be trained up on a lot of urban breaching working with demo, room clearing, etc. It’s a fun job and the culture within the engineer corps is way more chill than infantry in my opinion.
I love the engineers. Chill ass culture. I'm a vertical construction engineer. Deployed and built some stuff in some pretty shady places. I'm going to reclass to 12b once this contract is up. Gotta stick with the corps of engineers!!
SAPPERS Lead the way
Im active duty navy at the moment (Im a diesel mechanic in the navy) but Im about to start talking to a army recruiter about becoming a combat engineer. It looks dope as fuck, plus lmao Id go from being a Engineer in the navy to a Combat Engineer in the army 😂
Combat engineer is tough training, dope job but tough really intense.
@@juanvera7561 I’m all for it, it’s definitely a way different kind of intense than what we deal with in the engine rooms on ships. My main reasoning for wanting to switch over is because I have more interest in being outdoors rather than being in the belly of a ship, and I genuinely like what I see when it comes to the combat engineers.
My dad was a decorated vet who died 8/1/20. Covid didn't kill him the hospital staff did. They left him sitting on a couch with 02 less than 70%. He fell off & was found unresponsive idk how long he was out without 02 or heart beat. I can't find an attorney in AL bc of the good ole boy system. All the professionals stick together. I'm asking for prayers bc I want justice & change in policy! My dad was my hero & fought for us all.
I’m so sorry for your loss. You’re dad was a hero. Both of my brothers are going into the army and I’m worried. But I respect them more than anything!
Sue them
Sorry to hear that. My condolences to you.😢
Try going to the news about it
Sorry for your loss and my prayers are with you.
Shit.....our Marine Combat Engineers saw a ALOT of combat, they save my ass acouple of times
Army too no idea why he was so sketch on that lmao
what do you think about combat mos?
No mine fields to clear, no fortified bunkers to dispatch, no bridges to blow...have fun with infantry guys.
Yeah his thoughts on 12b aren't that accurate
Im a little late to the conversation but as a former sapper, all we saw was combat...........shit, its in our name (COMBAT) Engineers😆
Chris as many questions as you have answered, if you were still in I think you would’ve made one hell of a recruiter lmao.
12B Combat Engineer. Its literally in the job title and we were always embedded with Infantry. We were in daily firefights while doing route clearance. The Assault and Obstacle guys you talked about are usually just a platoon within an engineer company (less than a 3rd of the company). The rest of us ran around in BFVs, breaching doors/walls/windows, and clearing houses with or instead of the Infantry.
iM bAsIcAlLy InFaNtRy
Yeah yeah yeah whatever pog
so infantry with boom boom
@@idk-ky3fb that’s 11c
@Phillip Delgado engineers can grunt, but grunts cant engineer
I was a 13b cannon crew member we never used our guns we had boots on the ground everyday in Baghdad searching houses doing infantry shit
-every salty pog ^^
Were the people in Baghdad Baghlads?
@dylanescalante5252 you know artillery is a combat mos right?
I was a 12b combat engineer, and during the time i was in your were almost garenteed to see combat. Also the vast majority of the engineers being deployed were not mainly doing typical engineer tasks that he mentions. They and we, were kicking in doors, patroling our AO, engaging enemies, and engaging in lots of tasks that would be typicalbof infantry or scouts. For a long time 12b has been a critical combat mos that usually recieves sign on bonuses because of the high deployment tempo to combat zones
They told us in basic, a successful 12B mission is if 20% survives the mission. I was like well, sucks to be the 80%.
I was a 19D (cav scout) and I will say this we did a lot I mean a lot of door kicking in Iraq. We kicked in as many doors as anyone. On that note I met some damn good soldiers over there from different MOS’ some 12b, 11b and 19k.
People don’t realize that we scouts do the job of multiple MOS’s. We aren’t talked about much or get much recognition but I believe that we should be recognized because our job is no joke.
OMG he mentioned you. Sorry Cav Scout gay wrestling PT was interrupted for an actual mission...
In Afghanistan as a light scout the platoon was 20 people with the Lt and platoon daddy. The light Infantry cats had 40 or more. COP rotations sucked.
What was your specialty?
You hit on the 68W pretty well. Most of us in combat arms units, not the hospital, call ourselves combat medics as opposed to the health care specialist. I was in 1ID, the line medics did it all, we fought and when the action died down we were just getting started. Very painful, but very rewarding MOS.
I'm pretty sure on paper, medics are only supposed to use their weapon to defend or protect a patient.
Also to defend their Comrades, to rescue the wounded and move them to a little safer cover so they can treat them better and the choppers can get in and move them out. If a Medic were to take out an enemy he may well have taken out the very one who would have taken out himself or his own soldiers later. It appears to me you haven't been in real combat. To me the Medic is just another Infantryman who happens to have some Medical training.@@thememe986
@@thememe986 This isn't even remotely true. Combat medics carry rifles and fight just like the rest of the 11B. It's technically against the geneva convetion to fire on a marked medic though.
As an 11B I know we held the medic in the highest regard. Doc was always the one we counted on to patch us up when we got hurt. If I ever meet a combat medic in the bar, he will not have to buy his drinks. I got it.
Nobody:
RUclips: want to go to war
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Yes.
Me : well shit sign me up fam
@@rogerclarke4760 Me: Hit me with that 11B
31B Military Police, The Army's force of choice. After three deployments to Iraq i can say the odds of seeing combat are high. Mostly because of the high variation of missions given and being considered a force multiplier. Team Strike Horse!
31 E too?
@@santosjrgomez1431 31E are cage kickers. They never come out of the detainee facilities.
@@santosjrgomez1431 "Army jailer?"
@@dougtheeliminator1077 xd
I'm going into the Army as a 31B in a year and a half any tips
I’m a recent retired Combat Engineer (12B) as of June 2020 I have to include that we are a special breed. And more likely than not all we do is combat tasking in support of other elements and more likely than not we are always left on an island by ourselves. We provide Survivabillity (Fight the fight), Mobility (Breach and clear any obstructions, Counter Mobility (Establish Obstacles/ Checkpoints/ deny enemy Movement form advancing. Essentially (defense). The list goes on and on. I’ve been on many, many missions with the best of them from running with ourselves to assisting infantry on various and numerous occasions in the combat zone knocking down doors to establishing KLE engagements and enemy engagements. and also assisting Scouts (19D) on various and numerous occasions in the Combat Zone collecting data and reconnaissance to detaining, also knocking down doors, etc.. So when talking about 12Bs you need to know what you’re talking about cause that’s a very touchy subject and give us our RESPECT where RESPECT is due. Any combat related MOS knows what we’re capable of doing we have a long history of STRAIGHT KICKING ASSES. So do some research and really know about us cause we do some real grinding and in all respect I’ve seen various Combat MOS’s (Soldiers/ and seasoned Leaders) who couldn’t keep up on Combat grounds with us. Other honorable mentions we have total respect for too are (EOD). COMBAT ENGINEERS WEAR MULTIPLE HATS as to other MOS’s are one dimensional. RESPECT TO ALL, PEACE!!
Yup the guy has no Idea what's he talking about. "they are not mostly assigned to tasks involving assaulting" - that claim completely blew my mind
Ah yes. Just what I needed today. Thank you.
13J? They never go out. 13F yes, 13J definitely not, that’s FDC. 13F are the JTACS, JFOs, FOs.
I was a 13D, which is pretty much the same as an 13J. My entire battalion would kick in doors, do air assault raids and do vehicle patrols except for one battery (HQ) which ran the 155s. Each of the other 3 batteries had 13Bs,13Ds and 13Fs in them. We were an air assault battalion though, so we had more training for ground ops, than your typical artillery battalion. But I would never say never.
@Nick Taylor They missed out then.
FISTERS ALL THE WAY 💪🏼💪🏼
NoSlack then you are probably talking about the “Surge” days and prior to that in Iraq because it was almost impossible to use artillery in Iraq. Everyone went out back then, not just you guys lol. I can guarantee that A-C Batteries did not have fisters during deployment, HHB yes. All the fisters will be with CAV and Infantry
@@nightmarefiles1 All of our Fisters were with us. We had no infantry or Cav in our AO. We did have a small flight of Air Force JTACs with us.
You wanna deploy, then go to Ft. Campbell, Ft. Bragg, and Ft. Benning. They are all RDU's (Rapid Deployment Units). I miss Ft. Campbell. Stay lifted my friend.
In the 80's,my Indiana Nationl Guard Field Artillery Unit spent many drill weekends at Campbell. And 1 two week summer camp there. I like Campbell and had alot of good times there, both on and off duty. Got my tattoos there at a biker tatt shop.right across from base. And I spent too much time and too much $ drinking at the bars up and down the strip lmao. My summer camp there ( my 1st one) was the hottest I ever had. And Campbell had the hardest dirt to dig our 105 howitzer in. Campbell was one of my favorite bases. My buddies and I made several trips to the strip there, on our own, on none drill weekends. I even spent my honeymoon there. Great memories for sure!
82nd all day baby,airborne!!
@@CFF1987 C130 rolling down the strip-airborne daddy gonna take a little trip !!!
Shit I'm in Campbell right now lol 🤘
Ima put those on my dream sheet
Hey Chris, I've watched most of your videos and it's amazing to learn that the Army isn't much different then it was 40 years ago. Former 12B Combat Engineer 24th inf. 3rd Engineer bat. Fort Steward Ga. Served from 1977-1981, never deployed but came close after the Iranians took over our embassy. In the middle of the night my squad leader SSG Couch woke us in the barracks; told us to draw our weapons . After the armory , down to the motor pool and up in to our 5-ton dumps; me driving a Gama-goat. We sat besides the tarmac at Hunter Army air field in Savannah for three days , after which they sent us back to Stewart. I've always wondered what it would have been like to deploy. Thank You for your service.
I remember that. We conveyed from Ft. RUCKER, 46th Combat Engineers, half went to Ft. Stewart and the other half to Ft. Banning, I went to Ft. Benning.
@@sharondeshane6093 Hey Sharon , don't remember any females servicing as a 12B. Thanx for your service.
12B 2004-2009. I saw more combat than most. Vehicles cut in half, sniper fire, and firefights. Cleared 100s of IEDs in Baqubah Iraq, assisted SF missions (route clearance) and did dismounted cache searches. Got to dig up Al Zarqaui’s body (bad guy from American Sniper) This guy is dead wrong.
I have a lot of 11B friends and I saw more combat than most of them as a 12B. BTW, 12Bs are the only MOS that can be retasked as an 11B.
Fuck yeah another 12 series!!!
19's can be re tasked to infantry operations as well though
19delta
@@chrisingram5777 damn Cavalry... Worrying more about how pretty their uniform is than being on time to a gunfight....
I wish I had a Stetson *grumble*
Actually most infantry deployments are slotted as 00F so literally any MOS can fill the slots hell when I deployed we had two 88Ms and a Bradley systems maintainer filling infantry roles.
Yea, we do look pretty sharp , we get all the girls
Retired Army. My time was split between Infantry, Ordnance and Signal Corps. All of my combat zone deployments and actual combat was while I was in the Signal Corps. 05B, 05C, 05E (Morse code radio, Radio Teletype, voice radio operator RTO), 32U (Communications Specialist) All those MOSs are extinct now apparently.
Commo. You Can't Do Shit! Without Communications....Commo ☝🏾💯 ☎️
@@lovetyron Our unofficial slogan is "They can talk about us... But they can't talk without us!"
Just another Infantryman who can function in Signal duties,@@lovetyron
Sounds like those old MOS would be what a 25U Signal Operations Support Specialist is now.
Imagine fighting China and you see the same guy you killed a few seconds ago
Respawn game strong bro
Also all Hispanic people look the same.
Bro that's why the Chinese army is so large. They literally can't die, they just respawn
@@paprikaa117 but you get to enjoy killing him over and over
Lmfaoooooo funniest comment ive read in a min
Very informative. I spent 20 years in the Army as an MP and the MP Company I was in out of Fort Riley, we seemed to get deployed a lot. Desert Storm, Joint Task Force Bravo, Somalia, Panama. The Saigon MP’s during the TET Offensive in Vietnam saw extensive direct combat, along with the Embassy Marines. Combat MP units have just as much firepower as an Infantry unit, if not more. Although, not as likely in most MP units to see direct combat as infantry units, some MP units were trained as well as the infantry in conducting combat operations, convoy security, QRF, etc., just saying, maybe I’m a little biased because I was an MP, and my cousin was a Saigon MP during the TET Offensive. When the MP’s were formed in WW II, they were classified as a Combat Service Support, after the TET and the Army leadership saw how well the MP’s performed in combat they went from a Combat Service Support to a more Combat Support role. I know infantry and MP’s have a love/hate relationship. Any those are my thoughts and experiences from 20 years as an MP-I retired in 1995- so I’m not sure what roles MP’s play now, I’m thinking at least pretty much what I did when I was in.
I was a mp also.
You're probably the guy that gave me a ticket for doing 21 mph in a 20 mph zone on Custer Hill.
@@cxjeter I don’t think so. Were you there from 82-84 then again 89-95?
Im joining as an MP attached to the 116th Cavalry Brigade Combat Team Idaho national guard what do you think i can expect?
571st MP Co (STRAF), we were combat arms.
I served as 11B and we always had a combat medic with us who experienced combat almost every day.
12b is for building and destroying, in the name is says “combat” 12b usually clear the way for infantry or armor to get to the battle faster, whether it be by building a bridge or blowing up an obstruction in the way
12C build bridges. 12B is/was mainly route clearance during GWOT. I used to love hearing brass say "hey the engineers are here, can you build us a new hooch"? We would reply" no sir, but we can blow that bitch up for you"
PSYOP (37F) and Civil Affairs (38B) are very likely to be engaged by the enemy. They are routinely attached to combat arms units, meet directly with the local nationals, and have a very high OP tempo.
Yeah, CA gets attached to the maneuver element. OIF 03-04, OEF 08-09
100% agree with this! 3 deployments with them.
Great video. I was a 13B but I saw quite a bit of combat. I was active duty Army from 2000-2008 OIF & OEF. HOOAH!!
lol this man shouted out FDC, but not the gun bunnies
@@Nimreitz I was thinking the same thing 😅
I was a 13 bravo , is smoking bad guys from 9 miles away considered combat ?
@@robertw4230 it counts, but I was referring to when you're in a highly deployable unit and your "job" has already been done and you start kicking down 🚪's.
that's what this CAB says lol
Right now, no MOS's is seeing combat right now as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are over. The only people who are kicking down doors and seeing action right now are the special forces guys. I know infantry soldiers who were deployed recently and sat around on a FOB all day doing nothing.
So pick an MOS you will enjoy or one that will help you out if you need job training
Have a buddy in 1st bat, was in Afghanistan 8 months ago, said they did like a total of 3 Ops.. in Syria now, no action. I'm glad the wars are pretty much over. Going to look like the 90s again, lots of trainings, but highly unlikely to see combat. May be a good time to join to learn skills/G.I. bill.
Can confirm, although I wouldn’t say “sitting around on the FOBs doing nothing,” I would say sitting around waiting to be placed on a stupid ass retrograde detail while severely undermanned. Pick an MOS that will give you something to go for upon ETS, because the infantry at this time is just a giant detail MOS and you’ll rarely get to do your actual job on a “combat” deployment.
Yah everything is coming to an end now. Everything now is being focused on near peer adversaries
And ur wrong
jonathan edelman Some of us are still out here holding it down lol
Sworn into the Army yesterday morning. 11X 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
All the information in your vids has been helpful, you deserve more subscribers man.
Good luck bro, just got done with 22 weeks of infantry osut. It’s not too hard
Its not hard but mentally hard.
Congratulations
11x? You mean area beautician? Motorpool sweeper?
If he doesn't make it then he'll become a population control specialist.😂
True but I would say 12b too because there’s always going to be attached to a 11b squad but love the video
I was 12B. Two deployments to Iraq and around 90% of our unit ended up going home with Combat Action Badges each time.
You got the wrong idea about combat engineers. You can’t walk into an engineer unit and not see CAB’s on pretty much every uniform even in these times.
We do more patrolling, live fire, breach and clear shit than we do demo ranges lmao if that says anything
Which one should I do 11b,12b or 13b ?
I was a 12B from 06 to 15. And during my 2 two tours of duty over in Iraq we definitely did a lot of route clearance. But, we also did a lot of training with the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police. We also escorted supply trucks between FOBs, and we did QRF for several units. We went outside the wire every single day clearing the way for everyone from Infantry to supply trucks and we definitely got hit, a lot. And by hit I mean we took IED blasts, and small arms fire pretty often. So, to say that Combat Engineers are unlikely to see combat is crap. If you become a combat engineer, and our country is at war, you’re definitely going to go out and you’re definitely going to be looking for bad guys doing bad things.
As a former 12B, I def agree with this statement. In my opinion, 12B's are true hero's. When I went to Afghanistan back in 2010, we did several missions with the Seals & Marines as we conducted route clearance for them in very hostile areas. We took those IED blasts for them so they could get to their location safely and do what they do and we were right there with them pulling security while they did it. I'll leave it at that but 12B's def are likely to see combat. Also, the whole constructing thing, I honestly don't know where that comes from. We never constructed a single thing on my tour. It seems outdated to me when people say that
@@BG-rp4fk the construction thing comes from the bridges (the Bailey Bridge) that we sometimes put together and use. But, to call combat engineers (sappers) construction guys or support guys is a complete misnomer. We have always been at the front. All one has to do is look up our history, and they’ll see what our predecessors did in Normandy during WWII, in Vietnam throughout the 60s and 70s, and of course OIF and OEF. Sappers have been at the forefront of combat since the beginning. And you are absolutely correct, we do get attached to all different types of units to clear up IEDs, mines, and other unexploded ordnance. Being a combat engineer is a dangerous and very thankless job.
@@BG-rp4fk construction is part of the POI for 18C too. It’s been useful a few times mainly to build or enhance OPs. Demo and uxo are what everyone knows us for primarily
I'll save you time:
11Bravo: Infantry (natch)
18anything: Special Forces (duh)
19Delta: Scouts
19Kilo: Tankers
13Foxes and 13Juliettes
68Whiskeys (combat medic)
12Bravo (He says no, but I have heard otherwise, so I shall count them)
naturally, 75th Ranger Regiment as well.
Out of all the Big Army units, 82nd and 173rd airborne are (from what I have heard) BY FAR the most likely to see action, for whatever that's worth.
Throw 88m up there as well
I just signed 13B after i signed the guys driving me to MEPs was in 13 Bravo and said they saw combat as mounted machineguners when they where not using the Artillery
I signed 3 years, i want to switch my mos to 13F after 2 and I'm thinking il probably just extend after my 3rd year and stick with that if everything goes well. I leave for Fort Sill the 22nd this month.
Maybe doctrine has changed since then, but I did 2 tours in Viet Nam, as a 12B in an armored engineer company, with the 11ACR. We did all the regular engineering jobs (mine sweeping, destroying booby traps, road and bridge building and maintenance, and light construction), but we also participated directly in sweeps (search and destroy), ran our own ambush patrols and listening posts, etc. Kind of sucked that we were never authorized to get the CIB, since "infantry work" was part of our MOS. That even extended to the armored work. (as and engineer squad leader, I was also the TC on an M113 ACAV. Oh well.
Nah he is just clueless, during my time in 2013-20 we were either doing route clearance, demolition, wire obstacles and being attached to infantry breaching for them and assaulting together.
I'm a 12B from 02-13, we did the same shit. I don't know why someone would think a Combat Engineer wouldn't see the same if not more combat than the Infantry.
11C can go either way depending on what mortar system you are working with. If you are a line guy you can carry the 60mm to use in hand held along side your 11B counterparts. Love the content!
In Afghanistan the 11C's would roll out with 60 and 81's with our scout platoons. Something about having a mortar team with us always made me feel better.
@@dangerclose191 I can see why. That is a hell of a lot of extra firepower that just a couple guys can offer.
Trust me combat engineers see quite a bit of combat. We don’t go out and look for it, they single us out with ambushes dealing with IEDs and clearing their obstacles
Essayons
William Knight sappers lead the way💪🏼💥🏰
Facts
And besides doing route clearance we kicked in doors . When we are doing route clearance we're a 5-10 mile an hour target.
12C Bridge Units are right there as well
Being a Scout 19D in the Army in a Infantry Battalion, if 11B gets injured or wounded and they need replacements now, they do not pull from other line companies, they pull from the either the Headquarters Company or the Scout platoon as I found out more than once.
You should really revisit the role of 12B in Afghanistan and Iraq. Especially Route Clearance Platoon’s. I was in multiple engagements myself and i know others that were down traced to other Engineer Companies or Platoons that saw combat on a frequent basis.
12B Combat Engineer (combat wounded) here ✋🏼literally the kings of battle. We clear the route to the objective and then conduct urban operations. Become an engineer if you want to see combat.
I believe that's the title for artillery 😂. But I get what your saying
Lol. I was a 12B trust me route clearance is combat, also we captured more than our fair share of high value targets in 2004-05 in Iraq. We did night operations, Reconnaissance, Raids, IED deposal, later EOD escorts, convoy security, election site security, village patrols, artillery targeting, even guarded a downed Blackhawk. Over 600 missions outside the wire within 1 year. Historically Combat engineers are up front. The guys with the Bangalores cutting the razor wire on D day were combat engineers.
Facts. I stole like 8 of you in Iraq in 05 to go around blowing up weapons caches for like 3 months. Might have been your command. Came back relaxed grooming standards and all. They were pissed
I’m looking to become a combat engineer. Does it depend on the unit because I’m not trying to get stuck in a construction unit.
12B. we only go out everyday before anyone, before the crack of dawn and clear IEDs and get in firefights nearly EVERY FREAKING DAY. Do better research man. 11b and 12b work hand in hand more than any other MOS
Damn Straight
I was a 12C , I was deployed to Tikrit, Iraq from 2003-2004 (OIF 1) & my unit was outside the wire a lot during that deployment, and we got shot at several times on Bridge Guard
he doesnt know what 12B And 12C do bc we go out first and clear the route to let the infantry go smoother, we clear the way for them
Did this guy serve in the u.s. army? 12bs lead the way!
When did you serve if you don't mind me asking?
Scouts never wait for a route clearance. In Iraq we would drive around them many times.
I ship out on the (30th of August ) to fort Benning for osut. Mos 19D with an airborne contract. Wish me luck! Thanks I’ve watched your videos to help prepare !
I leave. aug 10th fort Benning osut. I wanted your contract but instead I settled for 11x which I like too. But I like both. But dad had the job your gunna be training for he loved it. 4 deployments.
Have fun sweeping the motor pools bro :)
I served 1988 - 1998, my MOS was 31C & my 1st Permanent party unit was Armor. My company was HHC 4-70 Armor/ 2nd Bde, 1st AD. I drove a M577 APC / RaTT Rig. We were deployed to Desert Shield & Storm & Kicked Ass - Combat Commo!!!
My son is at Fort Benning right now training to become a 19K; some of my best friends were/are Tankers
Probably not like this anymore, but the mid to late 2000's sucked for construction engineers. Relegated to doing nightly crater and road repairs, specifically MSR Tampa. I think in 6 months, we took more direct fire than our external security.
Crazy times. Back then we were the 62 series and then changed to the 21 series in 2006 if I remember correctly. Now its 12 series?
Yep all engineers are 12 series
Marine CBT ENG’s are attached to Infantry companies, one platoon too a Company (2-3 per platoon) which entails combat. Marines refer to Engineers as educated grunts. Supporting the infantry shoulder to shoulder.
Nothing better than giving one's life for America's greatest ally.
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Afghanistan 2019-2020 w the 82nd 12B&12N were clearing villages on foot 👀
10th mtn 3rd brigade 2-87 1st platoon alpha 2011- 2012 Afghanistan oh and I had 11C on missions carrying a dismount 60mm
My buddy was a Louisiana national guardsman as a 88m and he got called up very regularly and when he was there saw more combat than a combat infantryman in his area.
That paratrooper division of the MPs see alot of combat because they are used alot like scouts especially for convoys
Was he being called up to a Real war with real combat.? their's a very big difference. In the real thing the Infantry has their own scouts, or recon.
No 88m sees more combat than an infantryman, my guess is you have seen no proof outside of his word for any of this...he's telling tall tales at best
88m had the highest deathrate for 20 years, 12b mostly do route clearence and a shit ton of breach an clear in the early 2000s.
No idea why he equated that with cooks who should only see combat if the fobs attacked or something
I was thinking the same on 88M
@@aaronwade1940 yeah dude even said "combat engineers mainly destroy and make obstacles and route clearance not combat" what does he think an obstacle is. He knows ieds normally have eyes on. That it normally includes an ambush right? That an obstacle almost by definition has overwatch? Makes me think he never deployed at best tbh.
Highest casualty rates are Transportation, MPs, and Combat Engineers .
Always remember this. Everyone is an Infantryman despite of their MOS. Just ask any Clerk, Mechanic, or Cook who was present at Bastogne in December of 1944.
Just got back from ft Leonard wood 12B 💪🏻 We lead the way
How was it bro?
Dropane Beats I’ll be honest it’s more mentally than physical. Don’t get me wrong it’s still very physical. But just have a mentality of not quitting and just pushing yourself to your limits and you’ll make it. The 12B training was exciting, got to use all sorts of explosives, breaching, bridge construction, mine sweeping etc. If you like learning a lot of things you’ll like 12B they do basically everything.
Edgardo Garayua how are the DI in AIT? And do they still have nutrigrain bar and yakisoba for chow?
Moe Doe yakisoba is the best god damn thing in the dfac
ESSAYONS !!!
love your videos thank you for some love to the 19D Cavalry Scout!!!!
My husband is 68W and he was attached to a special forces platoon on his first deployment. They don’t always have there own medic.
Special forces end up in more fire fights than infantry.
What you have to remember about 12Bs is their job is to provide battlefield mobility and a battlefield is not this neat little box where one side of a line you're in battle and the other side you're not. Nor are battles at mutually agreed times to give the engineers time to make things safe for the infantry. If infantry runs into an obstacle in the middle of an advance engineers will be called in to clear it while the battle rages around them. The engineer's job is to make our forces mobile while making the enemy forces immobile. If we are brought in to clear an obstacle the enemy will likely have that obstacle under observation and will be waiting to ambush whoever gets close. And we will do the same to them.
So if we're brought in to clear a road or an airfield or a minefield, or lay a minefield or boobytraps to slow down the advancing enemy, we may not be shot at but we also know it could happen at any moment. It's certainly going to feel a lot like combat.
Thanks I've been waiting for a video like this
I had just gotten to Fort Hood in 2003 and owned a 1998 Trans Am with Ram Air Hood. Been there around 2 months when my Hood and T-Tops were stolen. When I got back into work I was being asked “So how do you like Fort “Where’s My Hood”?”😨🤷♂️😂
By MTOE, 25U Soldiers are assigned to the Commo (S-6) Platoon in the HHC of a Rifle Battalion, however, in practice the best of them are forward deployed as Company RTOs with the line companies just like medics are with the Platoons. The very best Soldier in the comm platoon will also likely be with the Battalion Commander as their personal RTO - which means they end up with the PSD Platoon as the Commander moves around the battlefield. This is how my best Soldier came to have an IED explode under his seat near Fallujah while on a mounted patrol (he lived thanks to good work of the medics and being tough as hell, but he was ultimately medically discharged after years of recovery due to permanent injury). As such, in Iraq at least, there was no one in our S-6 Platoon without a CAB. Even the sys-admin Soldiers ended up in scraps while back-filling Infantry roles so that more combat power (Infantry guys) could be deployed when the stuff hit the fan. Now, is a Signal MOS as likely as a combat arms MOS to see firefights? No - absolutely not and the video author isn't saying that either. (Mortars are the real threat when you spend a lot of time sitting next to antennas on hilltops). However, Soldiers assigned to line Infantry in any MOS are probably not living the FOB lifestyle unless the Infantry guys are too. That said, - if you really want a good chance at being in the fight then do like the video creator says and go Infantry. If you want an even higher chance then try to make it into the Ranger Regiment, or at least one of the Airborne or Air-Assualt BCTs. After a few years head over to SF if you still want more.
As a 12B we trained in ALL aspects of urban breaching, assault on fortified positions, direct support to both mechanized and light infantry elements, patrolling, reconnaissance on an objective, AND route clearance where, you guessed it, you WILL run into enemy obstacles whether that be in the form of physical barriers, IEDs, victim activated munitions, or fighting positions though they may be more rare than the before mentioned. All in all, 12Bs WILL be directly attached to the infantry, scouts, special forces, and armored fighting units as well. Combat engineers have directly engaged enemy forces in every battle the US army has participated in. And that is NOT and understatement, it is 110 percent fact. Please for the love of god do not create an engineer regiment full of individuals who think they won’t see combat because it is a rather large misconception that the engineers don’t get shot at. In conventional warfare, we take the most casualties. The phrase Engineers lead the way wasn’t coined by being cheerleaders or waterboys. We play on the O-line and the D-line and are never on the bench. You must be thinking of the 12 chucks, hard hats, and the froggies, because it sure ain’t the Kings of the castle. Essayons!
I don’t blame you for your ignorance, because on paper, it looks like a combat engineer would just play support, but in actuality, we are just grunts with math skills and an even more insatiable hunger for destruction.
As a combat engineer, I agree with all of what you said except for the use of Essayons. Let's agree, it is a dumb saying that is much better replaced with "sappers".
@@devon0305 I don't know about those math skills you mention. The only result of the math I remember is "p for plenty".
@@Kyle-qu4rc We may rarely use it, but it is a requirement for NCOs to know certain equations
For a fun time, go EOD. You will never get bored doing the same old thing everyday, even in CONUS.
And if you fuck up, whos gonna be the blame? Cuz it ain't you 😂
Me and you clearly have different definitions of "fun" lol
Just because your MOS is not combat arms and you are pog it does not mean you will not see combat. My dad (rip) served in Vietnam as a microwave radio technician, operations and maintenance assigned to camh Ra Bay nov68 Jan 70 with the first signal brigade ( I don't remember if it was the 41st 44th or 42nd battalion) and he did not talk about the war much but he told me when he was assigned to work outside camh Ra Bay at the relay towers he would be shot at by Vietcong snipers when fixing the towers or the base camp would come under mortar fire at night, and he would be attacked from time to time transiting to the site in a helicopter. He was even on a few occasions pulled off his normal duties to help support combat operations in the field because other units were short handed on personnel. Just remember your MOS does not garrenty your safety.
The combat support duties of Military Police are Convoy security, conducting roadblocks and traffic control points, rear area security. These are all activities that would bring you in contact with insurgents. MPs have their own armored vehicles, just like in Vietnam. You’ll find MPs will have more firepower than an equivalent infantry unit.
Hello, 13F aka Fister here, for reference 13J rarely are embedded within infantry units anymore, most of there time is spent in FDC’s or at the Gun Lines now, this changed recently when the army went from GWOT to LSCO.
13F are almost always on mission with the infantry. I don’t recall a time while in Korea (training) or Iraq (real world OIF1) where we didn’t go on mission with the 11B’s. We (13F) also were there kicking in doors, went on foot patrols, were QRF, & were used as a so called sniper team lol. 13F’s are the closest thing to an 11B without being an 11B. At Ft. Campbell we were always given the opportunity to participate with 11B to earn an EIB except weren’t able to wear it. Remember we are a jack of all trades and red headed or bastard children of the Army. We are disliked by mostly all.
before 13f, trust me when I say we(11b) dislike the 19d's the most with 19k and ADA following right behind them but the dislike for 31b's goes so deep that it makes me have to take a shit like your first week in the middle east everytime
As a 19D I have nothing but respect for the 13F MOS. We had a 13F asigned to our line platoons.
If you have a Combat Arms mos you can be used as infantry or scouts for example. It doesn’t matter if you’re field artillery or a tanker or what. Your howitzers and Abrams will be parked the entire deployment if that’s what’s called for, The army will have your ass doing foot patrols or busting in doors so fast you won’t know what happened. The key is combat arms. Don’t think it’s a slim chance. Early days years of Iraq it was the norm. Coming from a field artillery guy sent to a CAV Regiment.
When I was in SVN as a 98C, Traffic Analyst, I spent almost all of my time in the division basecamp in the Pleiku. On one occasion I was sent out to the field where we were looking to aid in radio direction finding. This was largely a failure. Shortly I was sent back to the platoon. But my rifle wasn't in the stack. So I returned without it. I reported this to our officer, a first lieutenant. Later my commander, a Captain, was at a party in Saigon and approached his commander who said to submit a Report of Survey and he'd approve it. So he wrote up a reasonable sounding explanation. My punishment was to type it up, in triplicate, using carbon paper, without any errors. I never got another rifle so for the rest of my tour I used the platoon's grenade launcher whenever I was on perimeter guard. But that's another story.
13Foxtrot... We're the Armyman with the radio calling in Artillery and chatting with HQ and fast movers (air support). 💣
What about 25v? (Combat documentation production specialist.) I heard they can be sent out with an infantry unit
Cora Leavitt current 25V here. We attach to everyone to include sister services. As a Com Cam you have a high chance to deploy after about a year at your first duty station.
Just pick the job that you like. Especially if it’s something you can use as a backup plan after you leave the Military. There’s a lot of opportunity in the military 💯
kinda weird how musician fans can name themselves “army” and just sit at home and get mad on twitter... kind of sad that they couldn’t come up with anything different than “army” as if they can compare themselves to a branch of the military that has fought in many wars and fights. would’ve been funnier if they named themselves air force or navy or something cuz people who don’t really know about military stuff might be more confused but it’s weird how typically people know more about the army than any other branch or at least know their name over other branches. i have even heard people saying ‘army’ instead of military as if army is the whole military or something.
and no i’m not bashing on the army tbh kinda looking to enlist in the army
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If you wanna go to combat: 11B airborne: ranger bat, 82 abn div, nowadays possible 11th abn div up north in Alaska. 11c mortars/fueld arty will never kick down doors and chuck a grenade. We 11bravos though love these guys.
I went on presence patrols behind a 50cal while as a generator mechanic.
I was a 12B 307th Engineer Battalion 82nd Airborne. We always were attached to the Infantry. Deployed to Operation Golden Pheasant and Panama. If you like walking with a big ruck then 12B is what you want. LOL!
I believe that it was at Salerno in Italy that the only reserves were members of the band and some clerks. They were give a 37MM cannon and rifles and put on a mountain top and they held.
You lost me when you said Combat Engineer are not likely to be in combat. I was 12B from 2003-2008 3 tours OIF1 OIF3 Afghanistan for 15 months between 2007-2008. I was there from the infancy of IED in Iraq. Our vehicles will get blown up followed every now and then by combat. Combat Engineer also do Infantry. So when our unit was told we will be joining an infantry unit to clear an urban area in Iraq Infantry will do the house to house, engineer will clear the way to there and secure the perimeter and then the infantry unit didn’t show up… we engineer spent 8 hours clearing houses back to back. Afghanistan was another monster because the Taliban are warriors and the IED contact we had was followed by 75% ambush. We cleared the way so that the rest of the armed forces have an easy route… clearing the way means we are the ones that are most likely to see combat first.
Hey Chris, I took the ASVAB & got a 39... retaking it tomorrow to try and do a little better but I’m aiming for SF in the Air Force for Law Enforcement outside of the military. Can you suggest me some other MOS army/AF that could also help me get into LE?
Security forces sucks don't do it
Army MP is alot better than USAF Security Forces because army MP teaches LE alot more
Yeah sf also does base defense and flightline security among alot of othet things while all mps do is basic LE
Im a retired 11C, first 3 months spent being a Section Sergeant, next 9 months as a line Squad Leader. Personnel get moved around in War due to attrition or any number of other reasons. If i would have known the last time Id be on the gun line was in Combat id have savoted the moment more.
Or go blackhawk crewchief and have all sorts of missions all over the place. Also you can't beat shooting a 240 from a helicopter!
How would you become a crew chief
@@aaronhooper7363 you have to enlist as a 15T blackhawk mechanic and then when you get to your unit you will either be placed in a flight company or maintenance. If you get put in maintenance, you just have work hard and ask if you can make the switch over to flight company.
Because I am from the UK would I do the same thing or no. Also as a door gunner do you get much action or see combat because if I join the army I don't want to just sit around I want to be active
@@morganthorla685 will a door gunner see much action or combat or at least shoot at targets or even the enemies
I just want to say thank you for your service and these information based videos. I’ll be shipping out August 25 to Fort Leonard Wood as 31B.
You lucky S.O.B. you’ll be missing out on the awesome summer and winter.
Best of luck to you, I just graduated from Alpha 795th MP BN on June 25th. It was a difficult but worthwhile experience. Try to get the most out of it and make many friends. Good luck
I've never really understood this question because any MOS or rate in any branch could see combat, and it's usually well known what MOS/ rates are more likely to see combat. To me, if you're asking this question to pick an MOS/ rate that would absolutely never see combat you should probably rethink joining the military, because let's be real the military is here to fight our nation's wars and if you're not up to that then I'd steer clear.
I couldn’t agree with you more on this one. I think too many people join to get the benefits rather than to serve.
Hey, if there's a role to fill and these people can do them while watching out for their own interests, I don't see how that's any less honorable of a service. An army full of glory-hounds ain't gonna get much done either coz everyone already charged to the frontlines leaving all the logistics, for example, to 'someone else'
25u signal, iraq 2003 with the assistance of some special forces guys, we took radio stations in the baqubah area, your right, certain circumstances anyone can see combat
Infantry 🤘🏻
11 B
RLTW
12B/19K - taught tankers how not to let Engineers take them out.
My second time in 2007; I saw that the, "Cook," MOS was eliminated. Dining facilities were operated by civilain food service companies.
They still have the 92G MOS. They just employ more civilians so that the cooks can focus more on the cooking and less on washing dishes and other tasks that take away from preparing food.
That is true , Chris Chaos, for after I was Honorably Discharged from The Marine Corps on 1 July 1991, Post- Desert Shield and Desert Storm, and 1 Year and 4 Months in The Army National Guard and Army Reserve, I was in The Regular Army as a 94B, that changed over in FY 94 to 92G( Food Services Specialist). I AM Airborne and Air Assault Qualified, and,on My DD- 214, My PMOS is annotated as 92G2P( Food Services Specialist, Skill Level 2( SGT E-5), Parachutist Qualified.
A friend is in Nigeria and says the same thing . the food is made by cilivians .
@@christopherchaos 92G? Back in my day Cooks were 94B. What's going on with all of these reassignments of MOS designations?
Cooks were never eliminated. Always been there but under different MOS designations
Hey man this is gonna sound weird but I'm glad I found your channel again. I stopped seeing it in my recommended but I used to watch your channel all the time to prep. I'm now two years into my Army career.
Is it likely for 12 bravo to be on the front lines since they are usually tasked with things that involve explosives?
I'm enlisting soon and I'm going for 12 bravo. And I am looking into what they do.
Combat engineers are in a lot of ways in front of the front lines, they go in even before the infantry does. 12b is a great mos
Thoughts on 13b
My son just went to basic training dude I've learned a lot from your video's.
Make sure to send him plenty of letters, it makes it easier
If you were a MP in the Nat guard. Is it likely for you to deploy and if so what would they do in a combat zone?
It really just depends on a lot of things man. But generally speaking, most likely not compared to regular army.
What state you in?
@@santosjrgomez1431 Georgia
Barely enlisted?
Gabriel Freitas National Guard deploys more than Regular Army does, on average
In ten years as an 11B, I got deployed to a combat zone only once. It was Haiti in 1994, and there wasn't a lot of combat going on, even though it was designated a combat zone.
Motor transportation mechanics see a lot of combat.. when you have to recover mtvrs, lvsr and hmmwvs.. definitely forgot about those.
91B 🛠
@@captaincrary 3521 I was a Marine, not army!
91b
With my MOS, I was gone all the time but, it was a job that you witnessed tangible differences. When large amounts of electricity is needed because of a natural disaster, planned outages, etc., ‘that’ MOS is there. It was 52E but, now is 12P. Another “big” factor is going into a field with serious civilian potential. But, I guess that people do want to deploy, hoooooah, it does get old. Have fun!
That shirt is 🔥🔥🔥
WOW you wreak of pog my friend, scout gain and maintain constant contact with the enemy and 11c troops with 61mm tubes are in sight and direct fire with the bad man. I have multiple tours to Iraq and Afghanistan scouts and 11 chucks were the first soldiers to be Kia while 11b secured fobs for soldiers like u
I joined the army recently and I’m waiting to ship out to BCT in October, my MOS is 91S. I’ve done my research on it but does anyone know what it’s like, I’d like to hear some thoughts on it
Not from personal experience but you’ll have a lot of very long days fixing stuff and doing a whole lot of useless stuff that you can’t do anything about
And taking stuff apart and building it back up agian stuff like that
91 series is a good choice you can find a good contractor job when you ETS. Maintenance/Ordnance Corps you are the ones behind the scenes making sure you get bullets, bandages, beans to the front line. You work long hours especially if you have a pacing item go down, it's a thankless but rewarding job. I recommend going for recovery school (ASI H8). The 91S is Stryker fighting vehicle mechanic. Basically what was the (MOS 63B with the ASI R4). Little background on me I was a heavy wheel mechanic(63S) with the 1/25th ID(L) (2001-2003) (Ft. Lewis) transformed to 1/25th Stryker Brigade Combat Team in (2003-2006) after I came back from Iraq (OIF III) we reflaged to the 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment went to Vilseck, Germany(2006-2009) with a combat deployment to Iraq (OIF 7-9). Stryker units are pretty decent units I have never had any problems, However lots of time out in the field. As far as wrenching goes keeping them rolling is pretty easy. The operators will keep you busy with plenty of work. However haven't touched a Stryker since 2009 probably alot has changed.
8:03 excuse me what? Don't confuse 12B's with C's and N's. They are literally the ones in front of the assault. Same with RCP/counter IED operations, IED blasts are being followed by ambush. During the GWOT most 12B's have seen lots of combat. Lots of the people I knew who served in mid 2000's-early10's were all jacked up, either half deaf, having blast induced TBI's or were shot. A video called "The Fat Electrician Reviews: Combat Engineers" is way more accurate.
Just enlisted as a 68W last week!
68W here, shipping out in 2 weeks..
If you want to see combat, you can work at Applebee's. Every now and then I'll see a brawl in the parking lot.
How can you mention 12b in the same sentence as cooks? What is combat? Small arms, rpgs, the main killer and cause of casualties, IEDs? you need to do some research on how important and dangerous route clearance was in OIF/OEF! Not flexing, but damn guy
Stfu pog
Long story short, according to US Army doctrine, you are considered combat troops if you belong to MOS codes 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 18 or 19. Apart from that, all others may see combat depending on duty or the prevailing circumstances...