Simply review the public figures. The year prior to the introduction of mass vaccination for polio, 1952, there were 57,700 recorded cases of polio in the US. Of these, 3,200 died and 21,000 were left disabled. In 2022, the first case of polio in the US was recorded, after 32 yrs totally free of the disease. Herd immunity for polio requires 85 percent of children to be vaccinated. For measles, that percentage is 95 percent.
Nobody who was a schoolkid or parent in the 1950's can forget the horror that was polio--the leg-braces, the "iron lungs." The vaccine was truly a miraculous gift to humanity.
Facts are facts: 60,000 American children were affected, thousands experienced paralysis, and there were 3,000 deaths. I love my children too much to let a brainworm idiotic take charge of our healthcare.
Here in Australia childhood vaccines are mandated for preschool and school attendance. And they are free to the parent. I was born in 1949 and my mother had polio in the early 1950s, fortunately only a mild case but a friend of hers was left paraplegic by it. We had several kids with leg braces at my school. I was about 8 or 9 when the first polio vaccine came out. We all lined up at school to get it. I was terrified, and ironically my father was the town's doctor sticking needles into our arms. My sister became an anti-vaxxer as an adult and refused vaccines to her son. He nearly died at age 12 or 13 from measles. I can never understand why people want to go back to some imagined 'natural' era as if before vaccines were available nobody ever got sick.
I'm in my 60s and my brother contracted polio in the last Australian polio outbreak, back in the 1960s, when he was 3. He lost the use of his legs completely for a while but, luckily, he regained most of the use of them and was left with only a slightly weakened left leg. It could have been so much worse. I went to school with quite a few kids, mostly a bit older than me but some the same age, who were left with paralysed limbs, many needing to wear braces on their legs or with one or two withered arms, and it wasn't uncommon to see adults with the same. One of my then adult neighbours was left paraplegic from having polio in the 1920s. Polio is also the very unwanted gift that can keep on giving too - many people suffer from Post Polio Syndrome where, even people who seemed to make full recoveries can find themselves with paralysis, problems swallowing or breathing etc years or decades later.
You were born in 1949. The polio virus was discovered in 1908. The measles, polio, long covid, have overlapping symptoms. During the covid pandemic, ventilators were in high demand. The Iron lungs were used to treat polio patients. The ventilators and the iron lungs worked to help the patients breathe.
If these plans carry through, not only will many be impacted with lifelong consequences or lifetime disability, but there may be other changes. These vaccines may no longer be covered by medicaid, medicare, Obamacare (if that still stays around) depending on how rules change. Or private insurance may or may not cover them or be required to. Those that have the financial resources will still be able to get these for themselves and children by paying out of pocket. But the other groups may not be able to afford them out of pocket so will not have the protections the vaccines can provide. And leg braces and iron lungs will come back into style for the more vunerable citizens.
There are real life examples of the impact of populations (Somoa probably worst) not getting a vaccine so the question is what is the percentage of adverse cases. Not sure what the threshold would be but that must be considered to see if it is too high.
They voted for all their kids and grandkids to grow up with little crooked polio legs. Maybe have to bring back the iron lung. Because they do their own research.
It is absolutely insane that in 2024 we are talking about whether people will get vaccines during an incoming administration. When I voted for Harris, I had no idea Trump would be this bad!
Just a small warning from The Netherlands. We have a religious group that refuses vaccinations on religious grounds. For some reason about every 25 years a polio outbreak will happen within that group that kills quite a few children and also older people that never had a vaccine. Others it invalidates for life with all the expenses and misery it brings and that is despite an overall very high herd immunity and high level of medical science and doctors and no denials of care. Now I personally do not wish to curtail anyone's religious freedom, though have some problem with parents endangering their children that way for a believe those kids may or may not hold for later, but at least they have a good reason not to vaccinate in their eyes. For anyone else though to endanger your kid in the hope enough others will vaccinate their kids, so yours will be protected seems insane and how lower that trusts becomes, the more outbreaks you will have over time. It is a given, not a hypothetical chance unfortunately and it is also contagious when you are adult and run into a carrier of the virus while not vaccinated even when there is so called herd immunity, just your chances are better with herd immunity you will not. As those outbreaks in my own country proves herd immunity is not absolute unfortunately. Especially if want to allow the freedom to not vaccinate for certain religious people, the need for the rest of us to be vaccinated gets only bigger to protect those people as well. If ask why I care about those people? Well I do not know, I just do not get off on suffering and others misfortune.
I feel sorry for the few children with congenital weak immune systems and who are unable to take live vaccines and/or react poorly to vaccines. These individuals rely on the rest of us to get vaccinated to make these diseases nonexistent. With vaccine deniers in control of public health, that protection will be greatly weakened as many opt out of vaccination.
Yep, that's 2 of my young grandsons (5 and 7 years old) who inherited a serious genetic condition that leaves them with a weak immune system. Last March, the 5-year-old was diagnosed with it, went through a bone marrow transplant, and until next August has to be sheltered from contagious diseases. That's when he can get his childhood shots all over again, regain his immunity, and be around other people. (Like, start school, now a year late.) Will he be able to get those shots? How much will it help him without the herd immunity of other kids getting their shots, say, if ignorant MAGAs exercise their FREEDOM not to vaccinate their kids? Psycho Donnie's reign of terror is already a f*cking nightmare for my family. These two kids may not survive their childhood.
All RFK, Jr is asking for…is the same thing we ALL ought to demand. Legitimate, unbiased, and sufficient testing of ALL pharmaceuticals, including vaccines, for efficacy and safety. Indeed, it’s the mission of the FDA to ensure this, without pressure to approve. No one can legitimately argue with this…
The Conversation: *Infectious diseases killed Victorian children at alarming rates - their novels highlight the fragility of public health today* (December 11, 2024)
Can someone explain to me WHY, folks who took a shot and say they are "immune" from a disease, are afraid of others who did not? If you are immune, why worry about anyone else? Weird !
Look up the information for yourself, and ask yourself this.. why the heck would anyone listen to DJT and RFK when it comes to medicine.. they are not doctors or scientists of any sort.
@@RogueBurn Like this. Wow ! Here are the absolute risk reductions (ARRs) for various COVID vaccines. Remember This is also known as the Risk Difference if you don’t take it. AstraZeneca: 1.3% Moderna: 1.2% Johnson & Johnson (J&J): 1.2% Pfizer: 0.84% These values represent the absolute decrease in risk of contracting COVID-19 after receiving the respective vaccines, compared to the placebo group. This also is used to find the NNV or Number Needed to Vaccinate to prevent 1 infection. Example; for the Pfizer jab it would be 119 people to be jabbed to prevent 1 infection.
I know a lot of people like to bring up "My Body My Choice" but no, it should be your body and the governments choice. The government knows what's best and would never lie to you.. you need to just trust us !
You can't have it both ways. Women should have the right to decide about their choices not the government. If you want to die or be handicapped by polio, measles, diphtheria, tetanus or some other debilitating disease go ahead but stay out of the general public if it happens.
in other words our nation will fall behind and become less healthy. The science is clear, RFK isn't qualified to be spouting off tot the public misinforming people about how this stuff works.
brought to you by pfizer. the pharmaceutical industry is working overtime. i just love how democrats are supporting companies that have is vioxx and other shoddily made medical products with horrific side effects
Here are the absolute risk reductions (ARRs) for various COVID vaccines. Remember This is also known as the Risk Difference if you don’t take it. AstraZeneca: 1.3% Moderna: 1.2% Johnson & Johnson (J&J): 1.2% Pfizer: 0.84% These values represent the absolute decrease in risk of contracting COVID-19 after receiving the respective vaccines, compared to the placebo group. This also is used to find the NNV or Number Needed to Vaccinate to prevent 1 infection. Example; for the Pfizer jab it would be 119 people to be jabbed to prevent 1 infection. The FDA's Handbook " Communicating Risks and Benefits: An Evidence Based Users Guide says " “Provide absolute risks, not just relative risks. Patients are unduly influenced when risk information is presented using a relative risk approach; this can result in suboptimal decisions. Thus, an absolute risk format should be used.”
Okay but why does it seem like he wants children to die of preventable diseases? If the support systems are reduced or eliminated like I’ve heard they want to do, then families won’t be able to afford the hospitalizations that could possibly save them and they definitely won’t be able to afford the funerals. I genuinely don’t understand what their end goal is
What do you consider winning? Republicans have had the majority in the House for the past 2 years. Name those wins please. The red states come rate at the bottom in education, jobs and poverty rates for both adults and children.
You may be correct simply due to not 1 Republican Senator has any backbone to say no to trump for any reason. The MAGA crowd threatens anyone who dares to say no to trump with violence, death or being voted out of office. Since all they care about is remaining in office it might happen. Joni Ernst has already felt the wrath of MAGA and now will vote to approve Pete the rapists for Sec. of Defense.
It has been said they will be available "if people want them". But perhaps they will no longer be covered by medicaid, obamacare (if that still exists), medicare. And private insurance companies might not be required to cover them. So those that want them and have the financial resources will be able to pay out of pocket get them, but those who are more financially vunerable may be unable to pay out of pocket. We will have to wait and see how this is handled.
What's the deal with the "Tampon Tim" names I see and the "my wife's boyfriend" or similar types of comments that I also see being made? Please explain, Thank You.
Calling for vaccine makers to show their homework on vaccine safety is what we all want. He is not anti vax, he is pro safety for the sake of the kids.
This is done it takes years to release medicine and vaccines to the public. The polio vaccine has been in use for almost 70 years. Many of the other vaccines have been in use even longer.
Simply review the public figures. The year prior to the introduction of mass vaccination for polio, 1952, there were 57,700 recorded cases of polio in the US. Of these, 3,200 died and 21,000 were left disabled. In 2022, the first case of polio in the US was recorded, after 32 yrs totally free of the disease. Herd immunity for polio requires 85 percent of children to be vaccinated. For measles, that percentage is 95 percent.
Typical Bla Bla Bla BigPharma gospels word by word
Nobody who was a schoolkid or parent in the 1950's can forget the horror that was polio--the leg-braces, the "iron lungs." The vaccine was truly a miraculous gift to humanity.
you joined 2 weeks ago.. what is the bot farm paying?
Nobody trusts the media. Look what they did to you.
@@dakota19021Get your head out of your maga, troll.
Facts are facts: 60,000 American children were affected, thousands experienced paralysis, and there were 3,000 deaths. I love my children too much to let a brainworm idiotic take charge of our healthcare.
@@dakota19021I was born in '57, and I remember the leg braces on kids. Not as many as if I was 10 years older, but it's not a conspiracy MAGA boy.
Here in Australia childhood vaccines are mandated for preschool and school attendance. And they are free to the parent. I was born in 1949 and my mother had polio in the early 1950s, fortunately only a mild case but a friend of hers was left paraplegic by it. We had several kids with leg braces at my school. I was about 8 or 9 when the first polio vaccine came out. We all lined up at school to get it. I was terrified, and ironically my father was the town's doctor sticking needles into our arms. My sister became an anti-vaxxer as an adult and refused vaccines to her son. He nearly died at age 12 or 13 from measles. I can never understand why people want to go back to some imagined 'natural' era as if before vaccines were available nobody ever got sick.
I'm in my 60s and my brother contracted polio in the last Australian polio outbreak, back in the 1960s, when he was 3. He lost the use of his legs completely for a while but, luckily, he regained most of the use of them and was left with only a slightly weakened left leg. It could have been so much worse.
I went to school with quite a few kids, mostly a bit older than me but some the same age, who were left with paralysed limbs, many needing to wear braces on their legs or with one or two withered arms, and it wasn't uncommon to see adults with the same. One of my then adult neighbours was left paraplegic from having polio in the 1920s. Polio is also the very unwanted gift that can keep on giving too - many people suffer from Post Polio Syndrome where, even people who seemed to make full recoveries can find themselves with paralysis, problems swallowing or breathing etc years or decades later.
You were born in 1949. The polio virus was discovered in 1908. The measles, polio, long covid, have overlapping symptoms. During the covid pandemic, ventilators were in high demand. The Iron lungs were used to treat polio patients. The ventilators and the iron lungs worked to help the patients breathe.
About time DTT was launch and heavily use and we call it polio
RFK HAS NO BUSINESS IN THIS POSITION, HE HAS NO MEDICAL DEGREE OR COMMON SENSE!!!
Neither your profet Bill Gates
Only qualification needed to be in trumps cabinet - sycophancy.
You mad sis?
AWW POOR CUPCAKE. LOL!!!!!
Sycophancy and lots of money to give to trump
Qualify in being corrupt and a Simp for BigPharma
If these plans carry through, not only will many be impacted with lifelong consequences or lifetime disability, but there may be other changes. These vaccines may no longer be covered by medicaid, medicare, Obamacare (if that still stays around) depending on how rules change. Or private insurance may or may not cover them or be required to. Those that have the financial resources will still be able to get these for themselves and children by paying out of pocket. But the other groups may not be able to afford them out of pocket so will not have the protections the vaccines can provide. And leg braces and iron lungs will come back into style for the more vunerable citizens.
It's a Batman Movie... Gotham City is being taken over by psychopaths and criminals.
Calm down....take your meds
you joined 1 week ago 😂 the bot farm is hiring again
Why are you talking about the illegal immigrants like that?
That was Biden/Harris.
There are real life examples of the impact of populations (Somoa probably worst) not getting a vaccine so the question is what is the percentage of adverse cases. Not sure what the threshold would be but that must be considered to see if it is too high.
Trump has no idea what he is talking about!!!
But dementia Joe know ?????
When is this mental case going to be held to account? He is a worldwide embarrassment.
@@nucskull9547 Biden/Harris lost, the mental cases will be gone soon.
They voted for all their kids and grandkids to grow up with little crooked polio legs.
Maybe have to bring back the iron lung.
Because they do their own research.
Yes sime of us do read and ask questions ⁉️ in comparison with mindless Borg drones like you
Vaccines are so important.
For black rock and Vanguard you are right
Some of the childhood diseases are much harder on you as an adult.
Crazy to me to have civilians determine health care rather than doctors
Because doctor's are gods and know everything and never ever are BigPharma shills
Wouldn’t matter because it’s the FDA that does that not HHS
But who is Dotard going to install at FDA?
Polio will be fashionable once again.
Make polio great again
Make Judith smart again, ohh darn, we can't .
It is absolutely insane that in 2024 we are talking about whether people will get vaccines during an incoming administration. When I voted for Harris, I had no idea Trump would be this bad!
I knew dip$hit Drumpf will be worse than we can even imagine. The tyranny of the ignorant.
@@TheCNYMike This is the reason I voted for trump, to stop folks like you from harming our children.
Really? No idea?
@@TheCNYMike I knew Harris voters are dumb, now I know they are dumber than I thought.
@@enckidoofalling2883 Trump's unpredictability makes dealing with him worse.
There's going to be a lot of folks getting hurt behind that if he does that
Just a small warning from The Netherlands. We have a religious group that refuses vaccinations on religious grounds. For some reason about every 25 years a polio outbreak will happen within that group that kills quite a few children and also older people that never had a vaccine. Others it invalidates for life with all the expenses and misery it brings and that is despite an overall very high herd immunity and high level of medical science and doctors and no denials of care.
Now I personally do not wish to curtail anyone's religious freedom, though have some problem with parents endangering their children that way for a believe those kids may or may not hold for later, but at least they have a good reason not to vaccinate in their eyes. For anyone else though to endanger your kid in the hope enough others will vaccinate their kids, so yours will be protected seems insane and how lower that trusts becomes, the more outbreaks you will have over time. It is a given, not a hypothetical chance unfortunately and it is also contagious when you are adult and run into a carrier of the virus while not vaccinated even when there is so called herd immunity, just your chances are better with herd immunity you will not. As those outbreaks in my own country proves herd immunity is not absolute unfortunately.
Especially if want to allow the freedom to not vaccinate for certain religious people, the need for the rest of us to be vaccinated gets only bigger to protect those people as well. If ask why I care about those people? Well I do not know, I just do not get off on suffering and others misfortune.
I feel sorry for the few children with congenital weak immune systems and who are unable to take live vaccines and/or react poorly to vaccines. These individuals rely on the rest of us to get vaccinated to make these diseases nonexistent. With vaccine deniers in control of public health, that protection will be greatly weakened as many opt out of vaccination.
Yep, that's 2 of my young grandsons (5 and 7 years old) who inherited a serious genetic condition that leaves them with a weak immune system. Last March, the 5-year-old was diagnosed with it, went through a bone marrow transplant, and until next August has to be sheltered from contagious diseases. That's when he can get his childhood shots all over again, regain his immunity, and be around other people. (Like, start school, now a year late.) Will he be able to get those shots? How much will it help him without the herd immunity of other kids getting their shots, say, if ignorant MAGAs exercise their FREEDOM not to vaccinate their kids?
Psycho Donnie's reign of terror is already a f*cking nightmare for my family. These two kids may not survive their childhood.
@@davidharrowe4083 Nonsense
One of us libs' problems: Discussing matters rationally, looking at fact and evidence, when Trump/MAGA just wants to see fire in a crowded theater.
Right! Why do so many still not get this?
There you go again...... Trump, you don't think.
Healthier Americans
All RFK, Jr is asking for…is the same thing we ALL ought to demand.
Legitimate, unbiased, and sufficient testing of ALL pharmaceuticals, including vaccines, for efficacy and safety.
Indeed, it’s the mission of the FDA to ensure this, without pressure to approve.
No one can legitimately argue with this…
HE CAN'T DO IT, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER
The Conversation: *Infectious diseases killed Victorian children at alarming rates - their novels highlight the fragility of public health today*
(December 11, 2024)
We're not going back!.....Um yes we are.
Make bubonic plague great again!
Going back to the Stone Age
Can someone explain to me WHY, folks who took a shot and say they are "immune" from a disease, are afraid of others who did not? If you are immune, why worry about anyone else? Weird !
RUclips comments are not the place to learn about how vaccines work, although most of us leaned in grade school.
Some vaccinations give protection but don't offer 100% efficacy. The C-19 vaccine lessened the effects of the disease.
Look up the information for yourself, and ask yourself this.. why the heck would anyone listen to DJT and RFK when it comes to medicine.. they are not doctors or scientists of any sort.
@@RogueBurn Like this. Wow ! Here are the absolute risk reductions (ARRs) for various COVID vaccines.
Remember This is also known as the Risk Difference if you don’t take it.
AstraZeneca: 1.3%
Moderna: 1.2%
Johnson & Johnson (J&J): 1.2%
Pfizer: 0.84%
These values represent the absolute decrease in risk of contracting COVID-19 after receiving the respective vaccines, compared to the placebo group. This also is used to find the NNV or Number Needed to Vaccinate to prevent 1 infection. Example; for the Pfizer jab it would be 119 people to be jabbed to prevent 1 infection.
@@pedalingprospector2007 Why Not? Isn't this the new Public Square? Come on share. Be a good citizen .
I thought a former US president was diagnosed with polio...?
@jay954. F D Roosevelt contracted polio.
Breaking news, Trump to sue Des Moines Register and Ann Selzer over flawed Iowa poll
*Intentionally flawed.
It was clear election interference.
Good luck with that...
I know a lot of people like to bring up "My Body My Choice" but no, it should be your body and the governments choice.
The government knows what's best and would never lie to you.. you need to just trust us !
You can't have it both ways. Women should have the right to decide about their choices not the government. If you want to die or be handicapped by polio, measles, diphtheria, tetanus or some other debilitating disease go ahead but stay out of the general public if it happens.
@@kevindamian8580
Exactly if you refuse government medical mandates by Trump you should have go to live in the woods !!!
If you check the accounts of most of these pro democrat comments you'll see they were recently created accounts 😂
Kinda like the one your Aunty made for you.
It will be a choice verses a mandate. Don't fear monger
in other words our nation will fall behind and become less healthy. The science is clear, RFK isn't qualified to be spouting off tot the public misinforming people about how this stuff works.
If vaccines will not be available for anyone, how does choice enter this discussion?
@@Fancy-p7z they will be available. This is just fear mongering to keep smooth brains under control.
brought to you by pfizer.
the pharmaceutical industry is working overtime. i just love how democrats are supporting companies that have is vioxx and other shoddily made medical products with horrific side effects
Here are the absolute risk reductions (ARRs) for various COVID vaccines.
Remember This is also known as the Risk Difference if you don’t take it.
AstraZeneca: 1.3%
Moderna: 1.2%
Johnson & Johnson (J&J): 1.2%
Pfizer: 0.84%
These values represent the absolute decrease in risk of contracting COVID-19 after receiving the respective vaccines, compared to the placebo group. This also is used to find the NNV or Number Needed to Vaccinate to prevent 1 infection. Example; for the Pfizer jab it would be 119 people to be jabbed to prevent 1 infection.
The FDA's Handbook " Communicating Risks and Benefits: An Evidence Based Users Guide says " “Provide absolute risks, not just relative risks. Patients are unduly influenced when risk information is presented using a relative risk approach; this can result in suboptimal decisions. Thus, an absolute risk format should be used.”
Because of RFK I voted straight RED and I’m loving all the winning
Okay but why does it seem like he wants children to die of preventable diseases? If the support systems are reduced or eliminated like I’ve heard they want to do, then families won’t be able to afford the hospitalizations that could possibly save them and they definitely won’t be able to afford the funerals. I genuinely don’t understand what their end goal is
What do you consider winning? Republicans have had the majority in the House for the past 2 years. Name those wins please. The red states come rate at the bottom in education, jobs and poverty rates for both adults and children.
All of president Trump's nominations will be confirmed 🎉🎉
Nope.
Bigtime.
Defense Secretary Hegseth. Get used to saying it.
How did matt gaets work out ?
You may be correct simply due to not 1 Republican Senator has any backbone to say no to trump for any reason. The MAGA crowd threatens anyone who dares to say no to trump with violence, death or being voted out of office. Since all they care about is remaining in office it might happen. Joni Ernst has already felt the wrath of MAGA and now will vote to approve Pete the rapists for Sec. of Defense.
@ Eric_Bassett right ! Some will get confirmation and some won’t!
He isn't against vaccines and has said so on many, MANY occasions.
Right. He said IF THEY ARE SAFE. And when asked which are safe he said none of them are. So what’s your point?
You don't need vaccines when you got all that maga Kool Aid you're drunk on.
Sure he *says* he's anti-vaxx when he's campaigning but at other times, his words and actions are *anti-vaxx.*
It has been said they will be available "if people want them". But perhaps they will no longer be covered by medicaid, obamacare (if that still exists), medicare. And private insurance companies might not be required to cover them. So those that want them and have the financial resources will be able to pay out of pocket get them, but those who are more financially vunerable may be unable to pay out of pocket. We will have to wait and see how this is handled.
@
All great points
The best part of being a wacky conspiracy theorist - No Myocarditis . ❤
If you just did a little research you'd find out that way more people developed myocarditis from having covid than from the vaccine
Until you get Covid, then you have ten times the chance.
@@alansargent9158 you don't read studies, do you?
Depends on the vaccine.
🧠🪱🪱🪱 rule! 😢
Aberration!
Let's just say I've gotten waaaaay more vaccines than my wife's boyfriend. He's just weird.
What's the deal with the "Tampon Tim" names I see and the "my wife's boyfriend" or similar types of comments that I also see being made? Please explain, Thank You.
Hey buddy did you just blow in from stupid town
Trumpsollini project25 coming to your town soon 'Happy days'
Awe poor babies can’t get their 10th boosters
Your kids getting measles wouldn't be the worst silver lining
I do hope the lack of access to vaccines doesn't impact you, your family or god forbid your children.
Not sure this idividual deserves your positivity, but fair play
Good luck when you get autoimmune symptoms from a horrific disease that could have been prevented by vaccination
Well maybe you can be healed by prayer when your love ones get sick.
Calling for vaccine makers to show their homework on vaccine safety is what we all want. He is not anti vax, he is pro safety for the sake of the kids.
This is done it takes years to release medicine and vaccines to the public. The polio vaccine has been in use for almost 70 years. Many of the other vaccines have been in use even longer.
Welcome back POLIO?
WElcome back ignorant Biden/Harris supporters.
Polio doesn't care about you political beliefs Cletus
Some folks actually believe a shot that does not stop transmission is going to create, ha ha ha, herd immunity. This is just Herd Stupidity .
This is false reporting and statements.
the choice of vaccine usage should be left up to each individual not one psychotic person.....