Hamilton And Russell FURIOUS At Mercedes After Belgian GP DISASTER!
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Sunday’s Belgian Grand Prix was one to remember for a number of reasons. For Red Bull, it was a disappointing race with Max Verstappen unable to make the progress Red Bull thought he should have and Sergio Perez falling from the front row to 8th place. For McLaren, they were left wondering what could have been if Lando Norris had got a better start. For Mercedes, it was an incredible drive by George Russell to cross the line in first place, securing a one two finish. His disqualification was all the more painful for how bold his strategy call had been to secure the race win. After the race, Lewis Hamilton was furious with his team for his race strategy. Today, I’ll check out the fallout at Mercedes after the Belgian Grand Prix and why both drivers are angry at their team, so don’t go anywhere.
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You have not mentioned the extra fuel left in his tank after they had been given the sample/
I think they left the extra fuel for weight an it backfired
I have seen this mentioned in a few places with people saying that Mercedes tried to trick the FIA or alleging foul play but this rumour is based on a miss understanding of the documents released by the FIA in regards to the disqualification and a misunderstanding of parc ferme rules. There is an excellent Reddit post I have linked below explaining it. Thank you for mentioning that though because I was really considering doing so!
www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1eezkix/psa_mercedes_did_not_improperly_drain_russells/
Pinning your comment for visibility of my reply. Thanks again!
Both cars should have been tested.
@@richarddornford my guy the post-race scrutineering document on the FIA website listed all cars as weighed 😂 goofball
Mec nearly cost themselves the race. Piastri was chopping at their heels. Lewis had the pace but Russell only slowed him down and allowed Piastri to catch the both of them. One more lap and the outcome would've been a disaster for Mec.
I thought it was strange when the close up of Toto showed him upset, not celebrating the 1/2 victory. He (Toto) knew something the rest of us did not.
I think they must have done some calculating after telling George he could do a one stop and realised they had forgotten to account for weight loss. Maybe they were just hoping that their math was wrong?
Mercedes was cheating, and they were busted. Shame full off the fia that they didnt place Ham on the scales.
@@martijnborst8206 all cars were weighed after the race, document 45 on the FIA website under Belgian GP 2024, you goober
@@martijnborst8206Mercedes wasn't cheating!! 🙄🙄
@@martijnborst8206 Makes no sense, they always get weighed after so how does cheating benefit them here?
Doc.44, Car 44 in a 44 lap race ..... what a coincidence?
The beauty of justification - I LOVE it!
P6 P3 qualifying = Car 63 finished P1
Who still believes F1 isn't scripted
😂 these guys
This video was on 444 likes when I watched it but I ruined it by making it 445!
karma is a bitch
so let me understand this, hamilton started p3 he overtook both perez and leclerc and made sure he leads and controls the race, imagine for a second if leclerc and perez were both ahead of mercedes and leclerc instead wanted to go one one stop and then made it work like russell would russell have been able to even finish on the podium? i don't think so because piastri or leclerc or perez they all pitted because lewis was ahead of them and he had pitted so practically lewis gave russell a chance to be on one stop as others could not be on one stop, so now explain it to me how was it not a completely unfair call from mercedes to let russell win it when they knew the drs is really short to overtake and hamilton's tires delta would have been offset because of russell's tire-wake? when it comes to hamilton his haters just never accept when something is wrong
Typical black profile, blames everything on society. It is never his fault.
It was a different strategy that Russell called for mid race based on his assessment of tire wear. Stop looking for a conspiracy where it doesn't exist. Hamilton has overruled his tem many times if he felt the strategy was wrong.
@@StevieTruth so its russell's fault why is everyone trying to act like its the team's fault? they told him to pit he said he is not going to pit he should have known the team has no data on this older floor setup and they did not test tires deg he also knows there is no cooldown lap you can't blame the team for his own shot in the dark lucky strategy
@@RehanX44Mercedes never TOLD Russell to box. He was simply given the option to box or not. Pirelli's representative suggested the company didn't believe their hard tire could go 34 laps at a track like Spa.
@@StevieTruth A strategy that was flawed as it was proven by the official result.
Hamilton was wondering "How is Russell getting enough drive out of critical corners to stay ahead on stuffed tyres"?
It's that damned r-r-r-rACISMs that Lewey fans keep inventing in -their minds- internet echo chambers.
Toto was expecting trouble - did not look happy just at the end of race.
One thing worth mentioning - FIA mentioned that during first checks of Russel's car weight was OK, but fuel was not properly drained.
Has Merc gambled.and lefy some fuel hoping it goes unnoticed and weight is within the limit?
No wonder Hamilton couldn’t over take Russel, he was in a lighter car
All the other cars also couldn't pick up the marbles on their tyres but Russel was underweight...what does this say ...he was underweight period.
They didn't care where Hamilton finished they were pushing for george and they pushed each other off a cliff.
What do I think about Russell's disqualification? I think it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
You're part of a team, and as a team, they fcked up.
The race engineer should have know what the consequences of only one stop would be
After all, he is responsible for making sure the car complies,
What is Mercedes doing to Hamilton calling him in when he was happy with his tyres? Looks like they are trying to give the advantage to Russell at Hamilton's expense. I cannot wait to see Hamilton in the Ferrari beating the Mercedes next year.
Me too! Kick Mercedes but Lewis
Have you watch the race ? They do that so they Don’t get under cut. Last weekend with McLaren was totally different
It just sucks to be in the lead sometimes your always gonna make the safe call when your leading and when your not your gonna make a risky call to get the lead, but having it against your own teammate is questionable. Somewhat similar the the mclaren dilemma in hungary
LOL! Like that’s gonna happen! Ferrari are a clusterfuck, and Goldenbollocks isn’t going to change it.
It was a devious plan because they benefited from Lewis's strategy to make the strategy of their hype job George. They did not want him to win!! What a bunch of losers they are, always trying to take the glory from SLH.
I think Mercedes cheated and knew it since they did not fully drain the tank post race of patrol
What a poetic justice. I also get the feeling that Toto knew...
Totto pushing the button to slow Lewis😂. I am not buying that bulljives explanation of dirty air.
I find Mercedes leaders lacking.
DUBIOUS!
Hamilton deserved the win, looks like Mercedes doesnt care about him now that hes leaving. They could have lost the race to McLaren with one little mistake. Let the faster teammate pass, it only makes sense.
@@hot99pas simple radio George an let Lewis through Lewis was faster clearly
Hamilton knew Mercedes didn't care about him when they only wanted to give him a 1+1 contract and no ambassadorship. I thought that was just plain dirty.
If he was faster he should of been able to pass him anyway
@@decimalcoyote do you know about dirty air in f1? Lewis was catching that means his faster
Sounds like they knew and didn’t want to go back and forth with him on further repercussions if he stayed out. They took a risk of maybe not being caught but Toto’s lack of enthusiasm after the 1-2 was a red flag for me.
Even before this sh*t happened, I really have a bad feeling about the The Boy who Cried Wolff. I see Toto, and I see evil.
what a season this will be
2nd half will be a barn burner for sure.
@@_JimS I hope so
Yes, Redbulls performance has confirmed they were cheating all along and the FIa told them to remove the illegal parts behind closed doors
Since then, they haven't won a single race,
The other cars have not gotten as fast or faster than the RB that started the season, Redbull has actually gotten slower, because there seems to be truth in the rumors that their car was illegal and the FIA commanded them to make it
@@A4Natty Kinda like Ferrari when they were cheating a few years back and got spanked by the FIA to change.
If a different driver took the gamble on a 1-stop, snatched victory, then got DQed would be one thing. To sit in meetings with your team and teammate discussing race strategy, and have something like this go down without knowledge is unbelievable!! Yes, drivers have done it before, but in this era of acute tire management and pit stop strategy, keeping news like this from your leading driver is almost an insult. If anything, Russell should have been told to box! All things being equal however, what a gutsy call by George Russell to potentially snatch a victory!!
Stop saying it was incredible race by Russell as it was far from that based on the performance of other drivers.
Since when does a driver ask the conditions of the tyres on the car they are driving.
Sorry I don't agree that mercedes was not aware of the strategy.
Yes Mercedes did it to themselves, because Toto wanted Russell to win .not Hamilton.
I dont feel any pity for Russell .he knew what they planned was wrong in light of Hamilton position on the track. But Russell wanted to do was to beat Hamilton, nothing else. Do realize that Russell dont fight nor beat any one else on the track?? Only Hamilton he fughts with or try to block. But je and Toto got exposed this time. They are indeed sabotaging Hamilton 😢😮😢😢😮
Unfortunately Mercedes have short memories of how many championships that Lewis had brought to the team Russell will never be in the same league as Lewis I truly hope that Lewis has a awesome time with Ferrari
Mercedes knew he was light, that's why there's was more fuel left in the car. They gambled and got found out. Great drive from Russell though.
Spot on, he started light. They don't check all the cars.
WTF is going on lately. McLaren and Mercedes getting 1,2 and it’s a disaster!
disaster for whom?
DTS is going to be crazy
DTS will probably show how Sargeant called the weather correctly because of how one specific cloud looked like a duck or some shi.
I did wonder why Toto was not excited at all by the 1, 2 places!
Getting off the line doesn't seem to be Lando's forte.....Ha!!
It really is a bad habit for him isn't it!
As usually Lando F up his start 😅
You stated car 44 broke rule 44 but the report stated car 63...
I think this creates a new problem if the ccoldown lap ads wight.
If things should be fair al cars should have there tires scraped clean before weighing in the cars and then have the fuel removed and se what the difarence is.
The one stop was already in plan in favor for GR, not LH. Merc is desperate in having GR finish over LH.
Hamilton was "NOT" allowed to pass Russell, not that was not able to pass him
They are desperate to make Russell look good when he is clearly not a patch on Hamilton. Making themselves look like idiots.
It wasn't a great drive by Russell, Hamilton knew if he really pushed to pass George would cause an accident before he let Hamilton pass so Hamilton wasn't trying
For some reason, all the times Russell can drive really well, it's only against Hamilton. Wish he would do that against all other drivers and not just to beat his teammate.
I think that when everyone cools down, Lewis will realise that his team actually did the right thing by him and avoided a disqualification like George. For Russell, I would say they simply failed to factor in a one stop strategy, so they should have added an approx. extra 2 KG of fuel if they were only doing a one stop strategy and that would have to be computer modelled, however it seems they exceeded the manufacturer's tyre wear recommendation anyway, so go figure that one. It was thus never viable. It didn't cost Russell the win, as he would never have won on a two stop going on race pace. However it cost him probably second place. As was mentioned however, there was no warm down lap and that was the lynch pin for the one stop strategy not working this time around, without extra fuel to compensate that reduced weight.
The 798 KG limit is weight without fuel. Adding more fuel wouldn’t have saved Russell from being DQ’d
There was too busy thinking about Russell. and forget all about Hamilton it’s life🤣🤣🤣
Russell give perrellli great Tyre information
No Lewis, your team knows that it’s your last year at Mercedes….
no what? they shouldn't let him win and give the win to russell as they did in spa but karma was a bitch 🤣 i guess you only have to cheat to beat lewis
Nice video, thank you!
The rubber of the tires weighs~10Kgs each tire, 10,000 grams, and GR was off by 375g per tire at the end of the race. If you estimate that GR did an extra 15 laps, and would have been precisely at weight without those 15 laps, then the issue is 25g per tire per lap, which is a tiny amount of rubber, and given the size of the rubber marbles you see at the edge of the track entirely plausible. So GR changed the plan and Mercedes f'ed up by not telling him about this. Also others have noted that Spa is one of the few tracks where you can't pick up marbles on your post race lap, which is a standard game drivers play to add weight at the end of the GP.
We are witnessing some of the tightest racing for many season with 3 teams and 6 cars in play. 20 second spreads between the 1st 3 after 2 hours of racing is going to be a lottery of SODS LAW. The last 3 races have been affected by chronic weather changes and different tracks. Sadly for George it was his loss in Spa, rather than the spinning off of other cars as in Austria. Swings & Roundabouts
He’s going quicker and quicker because they “CHEATED!”
And knowingly so; look at Toto face after Russel won
Did they knowingly cheat ? I very much doubt it. It’s a mistake.
Cheated is a little harsh gambled perhaps.
Toto Wolf radio messaged to Hamilton: “make sure to give enough space”. That message is supposed to be for Russel coz he’s the one in front of Hamilton and being chased.
Alonso did 31 laps on the same tire and was ok with weight. Tires are not the problem. It is something else.
Would not Russell have been disqualified by the weight issue anywhere in the top ten? Big miss by MB.
George is to be as pitied as Lando was over the Hungarian cock up by McLaren.
However, hopefully that is the closest that those Young Guns will come to experiencing what The Dark Knight had to endure over 2021 Abu Dhabi. . .
Nevertheless, Life and F1 GP 360 KPH racing will prevail.
When you're gambling on a razor's edge, sometimes you lose...
Russel clearly had to have something different on his car than Lewis ... the other drivers also had worn tires, not as much as him, but they also drove a lot of laps on them ... and 1.5 kg? ???? no no, mercedes don't convince me!!!!! if they lost 1.5 kg on those few rounds, then at the end of the race, they would have no rubber, but only rims
Lando's starts look like mine when I play F1 23.
In other words, like scheisse. Without fail, I'm passed by 3-5 cars before turn 1.
I've taken to calling myself Nando Lorris.
Max was unable to make the progress his team thought he should have. P11 to P1 was an expectation.
One does question if he just lost 1.5 kg of rubber on that strategy, that they did not factor in to the car weight? Apparently an average, an F1 car can lose about 1 to 1.5 kg of rubber per set of tires during a race. Since F1 cars typically change tires 1-3 times during a race, the total rubber loss can range from around 3 to 6 kg over the course of a race. This includes the rubber that is worn off the tires and deposited as "marbles" on the track. Some drivers are apparently asked to pick up marbles, by driving around the edges of the track, if they are deemed to be underweight by the team. Seems like the one stop strategy was an impromptu decision, so it seems like they didn't factor in the lower weight that could result in at the end of the race. Seems like a fundamental team strategy error that simply got overlooked until too late.
Reinstate the cool down lap.
Here's a question to the F1 fans out there. What is your opinion of moving the FP and Qually timing line to just ahead of pit-in, like Indycar does. My thought is it would eliminate more cars on the track for drivers on a hot laps in both to maneuver around for safety and keep them from constantly complaining. I know it will never happen but I'm just curious. Maybe F1Reverse could throw it out there for debate.
Interesting idea. It sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure what the con would be of doing it. Then again, there might not be one. F1 does a lot of stuff just because that is what it has always done
@@F1REVERSE If they ever did it they would spin it as their idea and never give Indycar credit, that would be below the....Lol!
Lewis mad now just wait till its Scuderia time 😂😂...BAHAHAHA 4:46
George did not have a great drive. He had one less stop than the rest of the field- pit stops at Spa averahe. 18+ seconds. With that gift of time, Russell barely beat Hamilton!. He was in a very light car that did not stress his tyres. Just don't see it.
God is Love and Lewis is a lovely guy.
All you Hamilton haters have to understand that Hamilton really deserved the win.We have to be fare and understand his frustration because if I where the strategist I would have seen that Hamilton secures the win just as the Mclarens did the past weekend.If a driver works hard for the win nevermind the team, then he deserves it. If Mercedes planned the strategy well there was a better chance that George could have pitted on time and overtook a few cars for a better position as Piastri did, since Mercedes had the pace last weekend. Now because of greediness they have to pay the price with been disqualified, which was not necessary 🙄
The lack of a cool down lap gathering tyre rubber was attributed as one reason for being under weight, but possibly Georges tyres were almost worn away also contributing to weight loss.
All you Hamilton lovers have to understand that Russell won that race by pure effort and suggesting a different strategy,he didn’t cheat ,he’s not a crying whining baby like Lewis,the disqualification was fair as the rules have to be observed.😊
@normie8895 everyone, including the other 2 cars on the 1 stop, had to deal with that. And, we are assuming it was the tire deg that attributed to that and not some other reason.
@@donnawillson1516why wasn't Lewis allowed to do one stop? Russell wouldn't have been close??
@@manliketv7846in all fairness, they made that decision when Russell cycled up to the front after everyone else pitted the second time. They pitted ham to cover the Ferrari that pitted. They took the risk and I believe merc knew it would be close but rolled the dice. The whole time merc was warning ham about Oscar and Leclair and their times but he never knew Russell would be a contender until it was too late.
No internal communication with Mercedes...no orders given through headsets..not knowing the car's weight ...doesn't add up
Correction: Alonso used the same strategy and came 8th.
That's 3 successive failures by Mercedes for George Russell
I think hamilton was pissed about the strat until he found about the DQ. They have since determined that the Russell DQ was because of being light due to tire wear. If hamilton had only pitted once he would have likely been below the weight limit also. Dude has to be pretty relieved as of now honestly
Total let down by the Merc team. Not George’s fault tho. He said the car was improving lap after lap, getting more grip and feeling good. His job is to drive the car. His team should have advised him to change tires. It’s possible they still could take taken P1 and P2. They’re to blame.
I find it ridiculous that the final weight of the degraded tire counts as a violation for minimum weight limits post-race. That has nothing to do with the car the team brought to the track and considering it is a spec part equal to everyone it has everything to do with the final condition it was brought across the line with.
What’s next? Someone finishing a race with body damage being declared too light too?
Mercedes screwed the pooch. I will bet if Lewis had gone onto the hard tire and done like George his car would have also been under weight. George's drive was inspired, hats off to him. Racing Gods give one back to Lewis.
How would LH be under weight ??
undercut only works when the car infron is slower and track layout makes it difficult to pass. if a slower car undercuts a faster car and it's easy to pass, they'll get overtaken later so mercedes' undercut narative doesn't hold water.
All these teams are to busy to poke bad at other teams, instead of keeping them busy with there own teams.
Why will Lewis not enjoy his next season at Ferrari? Please clarify.
Because Ferrari strategists are worse.
So he’ll have no input in decisions?
@@morrisw78 They'll still manage to screw things up
@@mezykin
We’ll just have wait and see, Nobody has a crystal ball at this time.
I'm a casual but it's blindingly clear to understand, that (on the tyres) 1 stop is more detrimental than a 2 stop because of the Vulnerability to be caugtht later on ( less rubber, less grip, LESS WEIGHT!!!). If the lack of weight is down to a 1 stop, then it should be waved, as all the teams admit that they CHEAT normally by adding weight 'AFTER THE RACE' by doing extra laps driving over the debris to put weight back on the car. Which means that many, many cars are underweight during racing! A one stop car = will way less, what's the shock & surprise???
Any reason to let Childton win
@@theblightedra6804 ???
If another car collided into you and a car-body part (weighing 1.5kg) fell off your vehicle, compromising your Aerodynamics but you still won, then what?
@@monkeyboxxx6917 car damage (regardless of it being a performance hindrance or not) could be considered a mitigating factor.
The team would need to sufficiently evidence that (1) the damage was in fact “damage”, not merely standard wearing down of components, and (2) the damage caused at least the same amount of weight loss as the mass the car is under weight.
@@Heathen.Deity.Thanks for answering, as I didn't know that. BUT I still think then, that it should be a 'Mitigating Acceptance' if during the race you decide to change to a 1 stop instead of 2. If Lewis...IN fact if every driver during the race decided to change to a 1 stop, the WHOLE lot would've been DISQUALIFIED!? Make it make sense!
They should weigh the car without fuel and tires, lets collect marbles to make cars legal.
The FIA knows how much the tires weigh so they add that value to the cars weight
Sounds like they sandbagging
I thought something was wrong when they were all on the podium, there no sign of Toto amongst all the guys looking up at the drivers on the podium, instead there there was a brief glimpse (on a camera shot ) of him sitting alone somewhere looking very serious holding his phone down low in front of him, was it that he was annoyed that Hamilton didn’t win, or was he annoyed the Russel did go with the 2 stop strategy, either way, he certainly wasn’t celebrating Russels win 🤷🏻♂️why ?
My thoughts too.
Why? Because he knew that Russell car was a cheater and hoped Hamilton would create a sensation by overtaking Russell for the win, an illusion that would bring climax, he never thought of the impossibility that Hamilton wouldn't be able, he was too chicken to give team orders. You never can trust the Snake with the chicken. That's what he is.
@@angelscakes4678 The FIA weighs all 3 podium cars. Russel would still be DQ'd.
I dont think they shouldve LET Hamilton win, but keeping him informed so he can distribute his driving accordingly isnt too much to ask
Mercedes had a 1-2 finish and somehow still managed to piss off BOTH drivers 😂
I think you'll find one of them was disqualified for cheating
It was just shady business by Merc not telling Lewis that he's fighting George on a 1 stop strategy. He needs to finally learn not to he too trusting of these guys.
Sorry the car wasn’t light due to tire wear. Rather his tires lasted longer because the car was lighter.
Russel lost his race by insisting a one stop. He gambled and lost that’s not genius it is greed. Hamilton wasn’t given what he didn’t earn.
I saw Toto face was like Stone Face🗿
Russell is super arrogant to say he takes pride in crossing the line first. sorry his strategy had a major flaw! His car was underweight because of the strategy. The team also looks bad as they did not tell Hamilton about the 1 stop strategy. Clearly they favor Russell. I hope Verstappen moves to Mercedes. Russel won’t win anything anymore then
Merc is probably giving lower power mode to the driver they want behind
Lewis and George drove a race worth winning. Hate this for George. That just plain sucks.
How about fuel consumption? Do we have some magic tricks form Mercedes sleeve to maintain some speed for Russel? Why Toto had this poker face at finish? He already predicted such outcome?
Settle for second and he would have more than enough fuel to weigh more than 1.5 kg
Lando GENUINLEY needs a better sports psychologist. his head just isn't there and it shows... hes great but not confident or happy
Not sure he was "gifted one back". If a team or player cheats and disqualified, the opponent earned the win fairly no?
At the BBC forum you can't say that Mercedes made a mistake because you will be banned of the site.
Try saying the truth about how vile Verstappen is. Thru permanently ban you for posting anything
What other automotive racing sport disqualifies you for your weight? 🤷♂️ why is this even a thing?
You got you "bite on comment" to work. Now get some warm milk and take some sleep.
How about this...maybe cars have been racing lighter than Lewis all season...
3 1/3 pounds and you get bounced!! Talk about cutting things close.
How the F was Verstappen's result "dissapointing" .... Red Bull is becoming a self-destructing joke... Max go to Mercedes next year
What does Toto Wolf want to hide?
F1 reverse isn’t it about time you did some proper research Hamilton wanted the one stop at the morning meeting, Mercedes turned it down
Might not want to cut the weight calc. quite that close; leaving 10kilos extra might make sense. The whole sport is too coverconstrained to be as interesting to me as it once was. The more like a spec car race it becomes, the less interesting it is. Indycar was more fun when there were Turbine cars and other strange beasties. Le Mans is about the only remaining area where a lot of innovation is permitted.
I think Hamilton is regretting going to ferrari now!
boy, can't wait to see what hamilton thinks of the clowns over at team ferrari next year lol
Mercedes has stated that if Russell made a 2nd pit stop he would end in 5th place. Mercedes should have instructed Russell to let Lewis pass. That would have been the fair result.
Dunno why they complain about loosing one place and whatnot that to me a commoner is insignificant. I mean the guy is already a millionaire probably, won’t need to work again for the rest of his life even if he quit today , and will probably have very million dollar contracts anywhere else not even in f1 but anywhere. Oh man, if
I only earned significant five figures a year I’d be so peaceful and shut my mouth .
So let me see if I got this right, they weighed Georges car in the state it existed when it crossed the finish line and it was legal. But then they removed 2.5 liters of fuel and weighed it again so now it is too light. But that second weight is not the condition the car was in when it crossed the finish line. In all my 50+ years of racing from karts on up, you weigh the car in the state it existed when it crossed the finish then test fuel, tires, whatever. But I have never seen any car weighed again after component testing. If that is the normal F1 post race inspection procedure that is just plain stupid! Where can I go to read the actual FI rules on this?
This particular rule is in the 2024 F1 Technical Regulations. Among other places, they can be found on the FIA website.
This weight rule in question is article 4.1 and it specifically indicates “without fuel” (i.e. the dry weight of the car).
Half a sec is needed to pass at spa lewis had that easily kver george did merc lower his power mode to keep the 1,2 ??
Mercedes cheated...can they explain Hamilton's radio message: ",there is something moving by my pedals....?". Mercedes, who left a golf ball or spanner there..
Imaging driving at 200mph and things are moving by tour pedals...There could have been an accident and Hamilton seriously injured.
TOTO WOLFE, ENOUGH PLEASE!!!
Russell's strategy was a gamble and Hamilton knows it. Stop crying!