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Thank you for what you’ve done with your channel… I’m an ex con … been out for 5 years now and I still suffer PTSD… EVERYONE tells me prison is behind me… they don’t understand … it’s only one raised voice away in these modern times… And sentences only get bigger… I’ve spent the last week alone binging your content.. and self reflecting… I feel like a better man for it… Cheers.
These scumbags will for the first time in their lives genuinely understand what it is like to be preyed upon in a total role reversal. That, ladies and gentleman, is poetic justice.
As an ex PC myself (joined ‘97) these ‘men’ make me utterly sick.. They should have been put on a normal wing. Let them live their lives in the same fear as the women they brutalised
Sarah should have been protected and safe with him but she wasn't it makes me scared as a woman who can we trust and I totally agree with you he should have been put on a normal wing with other prisoners serving there time ha then he would know about it then and I just want to tell you I don't like or agree with violence but he should have been on the normal wing and want to tell you I have the up most respect for the job decent police do on our streets
@clairemaloney9278 Totally agree, & thank you Claire.. 99.9% of Police officers are people who try to make a difference.. we have families & work hard. But vile individuals like these sadly damage the trust we work so hard to maintain with the public.. I just don't understand men like these
@@woooster17 I don't understand either people like that go into the police force with different intentions than to help & protect we will never know each individual s intentions but people like your.self respect your persision as a police officer and do the right thing s its not safe on our streets day or night time for women and its so sad we as women should be safe on a night out getting into a taxi but now a days you cant even trust taxi drivers or police and its wrong because people like your self a genuin police officer who respects the public and the job and were would we be without all police officers putting there lifes on the line every day
Its the same as children predator types... they deliberately get jobs un those fields where they'll have access to their prey. Unfortunately, these important jobs have many brutes. Even CEO are well documented as having psychopathic tendencies because for some this work is a vocation, but for other's they are attracting opportunists that just leave a trail of misery@@clairemaloney9278
I met Wayne cousins, I am so glad more officers came to my house as he was screaming right in my face, he was told to stop shouting at me and wait in his patrol vehicle, he scared me that night. He was unprofessional
Both of these ex-police officers now criminals deserve everything that they got. People trusted them, WOMEN trusted them. What they did was shocking and deplorable, to kidnap, abuse and murder for what? They've tore apart people's families, it's sickening.
I never trusted anybody in uniform why theyr can't betray me, but they will still abuse their possition and power, police officers ar potentially criminals, rapists, and murderers
If the Police had taking action one girl would still be a live today. How many other girls has gone missing bet this Wayne Couzens had something to do with it mate
So they protect corrupt feds, but don’t provide protection to the working class prisoners😐 So much for equal rights! Predators become feds with sly motives. If they ever got found out not only do they know the law & regulations, know how the system works behind the scenes & IF caught have protection in jail so secured themselves! Sickening!
Donna, I'm a retired Met police officer and no one could be more disgusted and angry as us guys, past and present. What those wicked bastards did disgraces ALL of us. But remember, it was GOOD police officers who worked tirelessly to make sure the case against these scummy c**ts was watertight and they would never see freedom again. I joined when I was a teenager... I genuinely wanted to help my community and make a difference. I never hurt anyone. As an old man, I can only apologise for the the let down that you feel, and it's rightly so. And that breaks my heart. There are still good coppers out there.
Its people in general I know loads of criminals but my uncle was a copper good dude all I can say is read between the lines trust nobody until u work them out
when the police went to arrest David Carrick they were being ridiculously soft and casual with him, anyone else would have had their hands behind their back in handcuffs, he was under arrest and just standing there in his underpants with his arms folded arguing the toss about it. Very satisfying to see him get a minimum of 30 years in prison, he will be 78 before he can even try and get parole.
I have been attacked and violated on the street. Left scars on my head and face. I didn't do anything to deserve it. And here we have scum that are getting protection inside.
My Dad died in Police custody, its in my story emailing soon mate, going through some sh*t at moment but need to digitise it as to long to re-write. This one hits home like you wont believe.
The prison service have a shortage of prison officers. A lot of the prison officers have left and the government can’t employ people as people do not want to do those jobs any more, too dangerous, too much stress and not worth the money for the danger they are facing. Have a look at reports at how the uk prison service is lacking prison officers and the prisons are now run by the prisoners. These two fiends are in trouble and I guarantee they have been getting served up on a regular basis…but we the people won’t hear about this, but it will be reported on a local news outlet or paper just not the national news.
Poor Sarah what chance dod the poor girl have breaks my heart He got the right sentence never to walk our streets again. Sending my thoughts to Sarah's family.
Mate, I’ve been watching a while and I love your straight up delivery of the information like. First hand, real speak, no bullshit. Love it bud. Cheers!
and the sad thing is that women are stlll not safe walking home alone, if is it not a male police officer, it will be another man to take his place. Men need to be educated at schools about misogyny and parents need to educate their sons
@@jacwindsor5552 You wanna be more concerned about all these illegal immigrants turning up everyday where women in their own countries are second class citizens. You aint seen nothing yet.
I just feel sad she had done nothing wrong and he was arresting her so she complied. Imagine the mental anguish she was in. Wanting to run as fast as she could. He was totally evil. How did he get that sick inside...
You don't need to teach men about misogyny. Most men don't need to be taught to treat a woman as a fellow human. The wronguns will be wronguns no matter how much u teach them.
So basically they can decide where they want to be in prison? Absolutely disgusting that they are still getting away with it!!! I wonder what the poor victims family feel 😢
No they re not getting away with it. There s nowhere safe for them. They ll be sorted. We don t usually hear about inside prisoner attacks which are often extremely vicious. They don t just give a guy a black eye!
No, due to the nature of their crimes they automatically go onto a VP wing because aside from stopping people getting over the fence a prisons other main role is a duty of care. Guys from normal wings who are vulnerable because of drug debt can request protective custody but it's not always granted. And if they fuck around to much on a VP wing they can find themselves put back in to GP .
Absolutely shameful behaviour from the people who are meant to protect and serve the same people who they abused. I hope these monsters suffer every day.and they wonder why people have no trust in the police force.Instead of protecting these people they should be put into general population.Great video m8
Wayne cousins couldn't believe his luck when covid appeared it was excuse to go out to find a victim it's absolutely disgusting what he did too Sarah she didn't know he wasn't on Duty. But he's where he should be in prison for life thank god.
He had no reason to stop Sarah Everard. We were not under curfew. It wasn't a crime to walk down a road at that time of night. At the time he wouldn't have known she had been to a friend's house. There were still essential workers that had to walk home from work etc.
@@taniaaustin6433 He didn't a reason he's a sexual predator who turned into a murderer. Ask the women who was cycling in the woods and he appeared out of nowhere with no clothes on and she reported it to police as did the people in McDonald's as he was masturbating in his car but they his car registration number and reported him and they covered it up.the person that investigated said the all the evidence had been lost. Which was a lie. And she lost her job.
@@lauradavies5346 I was just pointing out she had not committed a criminal offence that warranted stopping anybody. Sexual predators don't need Covid lockdowns to commit crimes. Police cannot stop you without reason, which is probably why she was seen arguing with him. I always thought no police person can stop you in there own.
@@taniaaustin6433 Of course she hasn't committed a crime but she didn't know that he probably told her that she had. You are missing the point he was a sexual predator who turned into a murderer who thought he could get away with because he exposed himself on a number of occasions and don't forget that some of his colleagues cover for him.
Thank you for the video. I remember Cozens begging for a life sentence with a tariff. He deserves to spend the rest of his life locked away from society. The police allowed him to keep his warrant badge by not investigating his flashing.
Was hoping in this programme you would have added - Police inspector Darren McKie, 43, found guilty of murdering his detective constable wife then dumping Her body in a lake.
The way sentencing is announced in court, due to our legal system, doesn't represent the actual amount of time to be served. It is a complicated thing but most in these circumstances will do life. The reason they are announced the way they are is be arise we have a "totality" rather that say 36x30 years. Same for minor crimes where people often serve less than what's announced at sentencing. Its just the system and how sentences are announced. Doesn't mean the is all he will serve or if one will ever even get out. Parole just has to be considered for human rights reasons even if said criminals never get out. Hope that helps a little. He won't get out with that level of offence and it's drastic impact on those who suffered and his risk to the public.
@Sosolidcrew It's such a difficult process but absolutely never believe what is reported. Sometimes even us barristers don't always know exactly how long one may serve. I'm sure most of my learned friends would agree. But I'm glad it was helpful.
When will women have the same right to be able to walk down the street at night when we can’t even trust the people who are supposed to protect us? I will never walk home after dark because it’s terrifying I’m scared of any man that happens to be around after getting chased by a man when I was 19 I’m now 60 nothing has changed
I understand what you’re saying - I personally avoid going out at night as I too would be concerned for my safety. If I see a woman walking my way, out of respect I cross over to the other side. It’s what men should do in my opinion. I’m wary of men at night so I understand it must be worse being a woman. Best thing is to have someone with you if you have to go out at night. Or drive, get a taxi. I have a young daughter so it’s a worry in todays society
exactly. I walk across the road when I see a man and i look reguarly behind me if one is jogging by me, I walk across the road, they won't cross the road at all but creep up behind me so I have to walk across the road, even if there is no pavement on the otherside. I wear a body cam for my front and I am thinkingn of having a body cam for my back. I take 2 loud personal alrarms with me and I walk with running shoes. When I am out with a freind, we have a code we say to each other when we see a say a group of same age men and we take avasive action if we can. we don#'t want to get close to men at all, we don't trust them and when they are with their friends they never stand up for us women and tell men to leave us alone. sometimes they just laugh. as women we have no idea if they have been watching hard core porn a lot, violent sex films or misogynists, we have to assume they are all like that for our safety,. we have seen how male friends supported couzens with his misogyny
thanks. it does make a difference, we don't know if the man is about to attack us, distance is important. It is a clear sign they will leave us alone @@EpicAelflaed
I'm a man and I've never hurt anyone. I also refuse to be held accountable for the actions of other evil humans. I'm not gonna cross the street when a woman crosses my path cos I've no intention, in a billion years of causing any harm to another human being. And it's not just men who can be evil. Lucy Letby, Sinead James, Margaret Wade, Joanna Dennehy. Myra Hindley, Rose West & Beverley Allitt did some horrible things, but we don't go tarring all women with the same brush.
Those guy's are beasts that's what we call them in prison in Scotland your correct some beasts are big strong guy's one time we attacked a beast, it took 4 of us to take him down. Thanks for sharing
Next time you get him bragging about it, hit the voice record button on your phone, make sure you get him to clearly identify himself and hand the recording in at your local police station and keep a copy in case they sweep it under the carpet. I was seriously assaulted by a "police officer" while laid pinned on the ground bleeding profusely from a serious head wound and when I tried to report it, after being charged myself!, they all closed ranks. Happily I got him back years later. And they wonder why we hate the police.
I remember being No.1 in the staff mess and having a good relationship with the screws and I was always kept informed about wrong uns that came on to the wing.
Go on Ricky lad, loving all your content brother. Enjoying the new stuff, but loads of quality uploads to trawl through from the past too! Good to see your channel growing mate. Kudos 👏
i hear you but i have a serious problem with expecting someone else to throw more/most of their life away to satisfy my vengeful feelings. it seems to say "' you're in prison anyway, so you may as well stay there for the rest of your life"...not good imo
I'm only commenting because you asked what the viewers thought. I found it very interesting and insightful, I'm going to watch more of your content for sure. Cheers from the UK mate
A N.O.N.C.E moved in to the street I live in. And when you said that those kind of monsters will inform on someone who is attacking them, as it is second nature to them, even though they've enjoyed creating victims themselves, you are bang on!! This POS didn't last long in the street, once we all found out about his cases. But, he LOVED to cause massive dramas and then act like the victim, with police being on speed dial ffs! He is a seriously horrible individual!!!!
I'm not usually the sort of person to say 'lock em up and throw away the key'. I think of myself as someone who would favour rehabilitation. However, I firmly believe that in these two cases, whole life tarrifs were wholly appropriate. These individuals were in the ultimate position of trust and they both violated that trust in the most heinous ways. As a member of the public and as a woman, I feel utterly betrayed by these individuals. They are where they belong so they cannot hurt anymore people. Rest in Peace Sarah Everard 🕊💔.
I think it’s a good thing you made this video, while I don't condone violence I think this video is a one that might help to make some people think twice before committing crimes like the ones talked about in the video.
Only just found your channel because it was suggested to me by the algorithm and watched some of the stuff you are talking about. What interests me, and what might be an idea for a video, is prison food and the foods/drinks prisoners make themselves and how they do it... thanks for all the information you provide here on your channel - you sound real and without bravado unlike some of the other people I have watched here - keep it up
And yet the character traits shown by both of these criminal officers are still seen as acceptable for new recruits, arrogance, over confidence sly, aggressive, nasty, vindictive.
This makes me physically sick to my stomach. If there's any final justice, someone will get to them while they are in the dog's yard, as it's sometimes called in Australia. Hope they feel a fraction of the terror they inflicted on those poor women.
Well said 👏 I couldn't agree with you more .why are the tax payer's contributing to there let's say proteced incarceration. It's completely wrong in every way !!! They 💯 should be put in genrel population in prison .or some guards protecting these men should accidently leave there cell's unlocked and leave them to the mercy of the cold blooded killer's in there!!!!
@ChrisW444 The death penalty would be better, but the justice system is just too soft in Britain. They're better off being removed from the gene pool, so just let the other degenerates work for that tax money that keeps them fed and watered.
This is the first time I've seen this. How awful that police officers do this kind of thing. I know they are just people, but usually, they become a PO because they want to serve and protect. Great information.
It's a pity both of these individual's trials weren't televised.I'm a firm believer in justice being seen to be done.I know members of the public can witness trials at The Crown Court in person, but i believe cameras should be allowed in court.We have cctv,speed and ANPR cameras everywhere, and we are one of the most surveilled societies in the world,but we still don't have cameras in court unlike the US.Disgraceful.
Well, in two minds about that. People found innocent could still be enormously impacted by the consequences of being shown everywhere, then again, I never heard of these two and it was relatively recent. This worries and scares me.
@@seymourclearly What a stupid comment to make.Who says televising trials is for entertainment purposes? Clearly you do.The BBC's remit is to inform,educate and entertain.Why doesn't televising criminal court proceedings fit into the educate and inform category? Do you consider the BBC parliament channel to be entertainment then? Parliament resisted tv cameras for many years but it was argued that our parliamentary democracy should be transparent and open to public scrutiny and so cameras (under strict conditions) were allowed in.What is so special about law courts that they shouldn't also be open to transparency and public scrutiny with tv cameras under strict conditions about what can be televised.Those individuals in the public galleries in courts go to courts for the 'entertainment' do they? Don't judge other people by your own low standards i suggest.
I cannot tell you how disgusted the Met Officers felt about this. I know some who had to go to Couzens location. They hope he gets what he deserves in prison after what he did to that lovely young innocent woman.
There are cops here in Canada that have gotten away with murder and rape and have never been charged or convicted due to the fact that they cover for each other.
@@perpetualintellectual2026 98% still leaves 2% - these pigs need to be lucky every day in order not to get killed, whereas the inmate who tops them only has to be lucky once.
L.ve never trusted the Police mate thay just a gang with the law on there side mate scum the word poore girl lost her life it could of been stopped he was report about this a few times but Police did nothing about it. Mate l hate the PIGS NOW
Dont trust, or distrust, any more or less than any other stranger you would meet. Just wearing the uniform makes them intimidating alone though, they know this and take advantage of it, unfortunately.
As disgusting as these guys are the other prisoners in prison are also vile. They have the audacity to hate police officers when in reality it’s the scum in prison and those yet to be arrested who are ruining society. Whether it’s theives, gang members, knife crime, drugs etc. they deserve to be targeted also.
Partially true. Unfortunately, a lot of these "scum" in prison are perfectly innocent and are only there because they have been fitted-up by bastards like Carrick who are encouraged to do so by the bent criminal justice system which isn't interested in whether or not someone is guilty or innocent but only in whether or not they can be convicted. A conviction can be obtained by many means, and it's not necessarily the same thing as guilt. Becoming a police officer is the perfect career opportunity for those who were bullies at school,. Unlike becoming a gangster, it gives the antisocial element a smokescreen, a veneer of respectability and an infrastructure to work within. The thugs and bullies on the force - sorry, "service" - will be protected by their like-minded colleagues unless the scales tip so far that it becomes obvious that there'll be collateral damage, or a danger of the public becoming aware of them, in which case, like Carrick, they'll be thrown to the wolves.
@@thefirm4606 what do you mean they are? Unless a thief has stolen from another inmate, they won’t be targeted in prison just because they went to prison for stealing.
@@Thenogomogo-zo3unthat’s complete BS, of course there are wrongful convictions and innocent men in jail, but to say it’s a lot implies it’s a majority, and it’s definitely not.
I wonder wot Wayne wishes 🐻 when I first heard of it, my first thought was there was no way he did that alone. Figure his friends are still 'patroling our streets' Stay safe people, by the way, if there are any old heroes left in the prison these two wonderful human beings are homed . Can you do the the world a solid favour? 🐻
Hi big yin Danny here. Have or will you give us your take on IPP as you know all to well and for example Danny gee as I think if they can't give any human a release date it's the not knowing That is the sentence, regards.
WHY was the POS treated so nicely and politely by the other cops? I'm sorry, but if I thought, for 1 second, that a person had committed such heinous crimes, I'd have NEVER been able to have spoken to him with anything other than contempt! It's ridiculous how he got spoken to so flipping decently, when he obviously treated his victims in torturous ways!!!!! It makes me sick...... I've been a victim and Police have not spoken to me as nicley as that MONSTER.....
The arresting officers are doing it by the book, if they don't he could get away with his crimes or even prosecute the police. Best to be professional and keep your personal feelings aside.
Excellent video, this is becoming one of my favourite channels, interesting subjects and not ruined by adverts every 3 minutes, I understand people need to earn money but too many RUclipsrs these days take the absolute piss and completely ruin the flow and enjoyment by putting adverts every 3 minutes, unfortunately I'm not in a position to donate but you've definitely earned a subscriber and a like on this one
Just subscribed my friend, i was in and out of jail from age 21 to 30, im 41 now and just getting on with life. But this is why i cant and never will trust the police, i have always seen them as the enemy and still do, they abuse their power
My next door neighbour was murdered by her detective boy friend. He was married and my neighbour got pregnant so he thought I have to get rid of her. She was 8 and a half month pregnant and had a 4 year child. It was awful she was found round the corner beaten unconscious and her head in a bucket of water. He was arrested and spent some time in prison and had to have 24 hour protection. Then he got bail and disappeared and found dead in his car with the exhaust fumes in his car. So 3 people dead including the unborn baby that just 2 weeks to being born, a child left with no mother, parents and family in dispair and grief. It was 29 years ago and still feels so bad, he obviously wasn't very good at his job within 3 days he was arrested.
What is your own thoughts on this Ricky ? Couzinz was known to his own colleagues as an oddball and suspected many many times of heinous crimes but not investigated I don’t believe for a second they didn’t know what he was doing
13:15 I think from a psychological point of view a sex offender is most likely to grass because the label as a grass doesn’t carry the same risk to their safety as the offence they’ve committed. So if they’re in danger (or not) they’re more likely to grass because they would figure that being a grass won’t make any difference, because they’re already a target anyway. Whereas for everyone else, you won’t grass because being a grass will be the thing that makes you the person on the wing that everyone will hate rather than just the people who are targeting you. There is a bit of deeper psychological about those types of offenders making them more likely to be grasses that aren’t anything to do with what I’ve said, but that’s more about the type of personalities many will share and takes a load more time to explain. But serial killers will share a lot of the same traits, and by that reasoning would also be more prone to grassing too. But a serial killer is probably more likely to use the information they have for blackmail and manipulation.
@@paulworgan6599 it’s a good point. People often don’t realise that in most cases with serial killers the primary motive is usually sexual. The only real difference is that a serial killer figures that the best way not to get caught is to kill the victim to prevent them going to the police. Obviously there are some serial killers that kill for different reasons but in most cases where serial killing is involved, there’s usually a victim that is the gender than matches their sexual preference and some kind of sex offence before or after the murder. I will point out that in law there’s no such thing as consensual sex with an under age girl though. And will also point out that many serial killers started out as stalkers and sex offenders but for the reasons outlined above decided that their best chance at avoiding prison was murder. Just to weave a bit more context to it. Your average psychopath thinks he’s smarter than the average person including the police, and the police aren’t as good at catching murderers as the media tries to portray. I know of two people I went to school with who everyone associated with them are 99% sure the partner did it, and their behaviour afterwards was odd to the extreme and yet both of them are still free. Even though in one case any jury would find it hard not to convict on the circumstantial evidence alone his defence and actions after were that bizarre and the story such an old chestnut of an excuse.
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And sentences only get bigger…
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These scumbags will for the first time in their lives genuinely understand what it is like to be preyed upon in a total role reversal. That, ladies and gentleman, is poetic justice.
They are trophies and shame on the screws that protect them, Truly any cxxt can be got.
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they get put with pedos etc !! as would never servive in general population !! so they have it easy!! SHOULD BE PUT IN GENRAL POPULATION!
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And what a beautiful tune it is to hear, even from this distance!! F**k him!!
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As an ex PC myself (joined ‘97) these ‘men’ make me utterly sick.. They should have been put on a normal wing. Let them live their lives in the same fear as the women they brutalised
Sarah should have been protected and safe with him but she wasn't it makes me scared as a woman who can we trust and I totally agree with you he should have been put on a normal wing with other prisoners serving there time ha then he would know about it then and I just want to tell you I don't like or agree with violence but he should have been on the normal wing and want to tell you I have the up most respect for the job decent police do on our streets
@clairemaloney9278 Totally agree, & thank you Claire.. 99.9% of Police officers are people who try to make a difference.. we have families & work hard. But vile individuals like these sadly damage the trust we work so hard to maintain with the public.. I just don't understand men like these
@@woooster17 I don't understand either people like that go into the police force with different intentions than to help & protect we will never know each individual s intentions but people like your.self respect your persision as a police officer and do the right thing s its not safe on our streets day or night time for women and its so sad we as women should be safe on a night out getting into a taxi but now a days you cant even trust taxi drivers or police and its wrong because people like your self a genuin police officer who respects the public and the job and were would we be without all police officers putting there lifes on the line every day
Its the same as children predator types... they deliberately get jobs un those fields where they'll have access to their prey. Unfortunately, these important jobs have many brutes. Even CEO are well documented as having psychopathic tendencies because for some this work is a vocation, but for other's they are attracting opportunists that just leave a trail of misery@@clairemaloney9278
Darn you YT, the algorithm is a joke
I met Wayne cousins, I am so glad more officers came to my house as he was screaming right in my face, he was told to stop shouting at me and wait in his patrol vehicle, he scared me that night. He was unprofessional
wow glad you stood up to this misogynist, hope you reported it at the time
@@beaulieuc8910Well unfortunately from what has been revealed about Couzens, reporting would have done fuck all. And here we are
Just sums it up dunt it
Very unprofessional indeed!! Glad you survived love
Sounds a right bad un
Both of these ex-police officers now criminals deserve everything that they got. People trusted them, WOMEN trusted them. What they did was shocking and deplorable, to kidnap, abuse and murder for what? They've tore apart people's families, it's sickening.
I never trusted anybody in uniform why theyr can't betray me, but they will still abuse their possition and power, police officers ar potentially criminals, rapists, and murderers
If the Police had taking action one girl would still be a live today. How many other girls has gone missing bet this Wayne Couzens had something to do with it mate
You’re so right, hateful, murdering perverts,, brings tears to your eyes
No Vaseline was used in this story 😂😂😂
No Vaseline necessary for these two,give em both a dry run😂
Wayne couzens needs throwing onto the main wing on a day where the screws decide to strike
Bruv. Do you own a XL Bully? You seem like the lamp noodle type bruv
How long did you work in the prison system?
@RobbieMeadows-oz4cx here piggy piggy pig. Oink oink, were you in the same unit?
100 MILLION %.
So they protect corrupt feds, but don’t provide protection to the working class prisoners😐 So much for equal rights! Predators become feds with sly motives. If they ever got found out not only do they know the law & regulations, know how the system works behind the scenes & IF caught have protection in jail so secured themselves! Sickening!
As poor Sarah's dad said, "no redemption!"
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As a woman,there’s a deep sense of betrayal & disappointment when a dirty cop commits such crimes
I agree they are expected to uphold the law keep the trust of the public and when they do dirt they betray that trust
@@coreyferguson1341 SO SO TRUE.
Donna, I'm a retired Met police officer and no one could be more disgusted and angry as us guys, past and present. What those wicked bastards did disgraces ALL of us. But remember, it was GOOD police officers who worked tirelessly to make sure the case against these scummy c**ts was watertight and they would never see freedom again.
I joined when I was a teenager... I genuinely wanted to help my community and make a difference. I never hurt anyone.
As an old man, I can only apologise for the the let down that you feel, and it's rightly so. And that breaks my heart. There are still good coppers out there.
Its people in general I know loads of criminals but my uncle was a copper good dude all I can say is read between the lines trust nobody until u work them out
@@benjamin-ri2do I was engaged to one here in Australia…being nick-named “traffic Nazi” & “Rambo” by your workmate’s is NOT a compliment
Nice that Carrick got sentenced by a Lady Judge - putting a woman in authority over him is just *chef's kiss
when the police went to arrest David Carrick they were being ridiculously soft and casual with him, anyone else would have had their hands behind their back in handcuffs, he was under arrest and just standing there in his underpants with his arms folded arguing the toss about it. Very satisfying to see him get a minimum of 30 years in prison, he will be 78 before he can even try and get parole.
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Even better to see a woman judge, that must have shaken him to the core having a female presiding over his fate 🤗
@@alexarosa632 yes, that was brilliant
@@jacwindsor5552 apparently he was shaking his head in a dismissive way which upset some of the victims but it shows how much it stung him.
Basically the police went to arrest the police 😅
I have been attacked and violated on the street. Left scars on my head and face. I didn't do anything to deserve it. And here we have scum that are getting protection inside.
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Justice is served......
My Dad died in Police custody, its in my story emailing soon mate, going through some sh*t at moment but need to digitise it as to long to re-write. This one hits home like you wont believe.
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So sorry to hear, my love and prayers goes out to you and your loved ones . Take care and take time to heal from your loss . 🫶🏼🤗🙏🏽🌹
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@@Behind-the-bars-tv a once again hope there some nonces bitch
Makes my blood boil how these two are protected, but I'm not surprised.Thanks Ricky.
The prison service have a shortage of prison officers. A lot of the prison officers have left and the government can’t employ people as people do not want to do those jobs any more, too dangerous, too much stress and not worth the money for the danger they are facing.
Have a look at reports at how the uk prison service is lacking prison officers and the prisons are now run by the prisoners.
These two fiends are in trouble and I guarantee they have been getting served up on a regular basis…but we the people won’t hear about this, but it will be reported on a local news outlet or paper just not the national news.
They re not really protected. They ll be sorted out!
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Poor Sarah what chance dod the poor girl have breaks my heart He got the right sentence never to walk our streets again. Sending my thoughts to Sarah's family.
The arrogance of the ex-policemen,is unbelievable ,thanks for your take on prison life
Reply I hope Wayne lives a long life in prison
I watch this boy alot he not cocky and think he hard cos he been jail he is respectfull and honest and tells u exactly how it is keep up good work m8
Mate, I’ve been watching a while and I love your straight up delivery of the information like. First hand, real speak, no bullshit. Love it bud. Cheers!
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Sarah Everetts last minutes must have been terrifying! 😔
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and the sad thing is that women are stlll not safe walking home alone, if is it not a male police officer, it will be another man to take his place. Men need to be educated at schools about misogyny and parents need to educate their sons
@@jacwindsor5552 You wanna be more concerned about all these illegal immigrants turning up everyday where women in their own countries are second class citizens. You aint seen nothing yet.
I just feel sad she had done nothing wrong and he was arresting her so she complied. Imagine the mental anguish she was in. Wanting to run as fast as she could. He was totally evil. How did he get that sick inside...
You don't need to teach men about misogyny. Most men don't need to be taught to treat a woman as a fellow human. The wronguns will be wronguns no matter how much u teach them.
So basically they can decide where they want to be in prison? Absolutely disgusting that they are still getting away with it!!! I wonder what the poor victims family feel 😢
Nanny State UK...They need to be in a Tough Russian or Arab Prison.
No they re not getting away with it. There s nowhere safe for them. They ll be sorted. We don t usually hear about inside prisoner attacks which are often extremely vicious. They don t just give a guy a black eye!
No, due to the nature of their crimes they automatically go onto a VP wing because aside from stopping people getting over the fence a prisons other main role is a duty of care. Guys from normal wings who are vulnerable because of drug debt can request protective custody but it's not always granted. And if they fuck around to much on a VP wing they can find themselves put back in to GP .
@@rubyredall2145nah they’ve got a special prison for cops lawyers etc. In Scotland they do anyway.
Absolutely shameful behaviour from the people who are meant to protect and serve the same people who they abused. I hope these monsters suffer every day.and they wonder why people have no trust in the police force.Instead of protecting these people they should be put into general population.Great video m8
Thanks Ricky for another great story. Hope you are well and family too. 👏🏾👏🏾
I met someone recently who claims he beat Cousins in prison and apparently he cried like a baby.
And who is this person?
Unlikely, he won’t get any opportunity to be anywhere near another prisoner on VP
Wayne cousins couldn't believe his luck when covid appeared it was excuse to go out to find a victim it's absolutely disgusting what he did too Sarah she didn't know he wasn't on Duty. But he's where he should be in prison for life thank god.
He had no reason to stop Sarah Everard. We were not under curfew. It wasn't a crime to walk down a road at that time of night. At the time he wouldn't have known she had been to a friend's house. There were still essential workers that had to walk home from work etc.
@@taniaaustin6433 He didn't a reason he's a sexual predator who turned into a murderer. Ask the women who was cycling in the woods and he appeared out of nowhere with no clothes on and she reported it to police as did the people in McDonald's as he was masturbating in his car but they his car registration number and reported him and they covered it up.the person that investigated said the all the evidence had been lost. Which was a lie. And she lost her job.
@@lauradavies5346 I was just pointing out she had not committed a criminal offence that warranted stopping anybody. Sexual predators don't need Covid lockdowns to commit crimes. Police cannot stop you without reason, which is probably why she was seen arguing with him. I always thought no police person can stop you in there own.
@@taniaaustin6433 Of course she hasn't committed a crime but she didn't know that he probably told her that she had. You are missing the point he was a sexual predator who turned into a murderer who thought he could get away with because he exposed himself on a number of occasions and don't forget that some of his colleagues cover for him.
@@lauradavies5346 you don't understand what I'm trying to point out. I'm saying she shouldn't have been stopped end of by any police officer
Thank you for the video. I remember Cozens begging for a life sentence with a tariff. He deserves to spend the rest of his life locked away from society. The police allowed him to keep his warrant badge by not investigating his flashing.
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Was hoping in this programme you would have added - Police inspector Darren McKie, 43, found guilty of murdering his detective constable wife then dumping Her body in a lake.
Yes, it is amazing how many police detectives kill their wives (or mistresses)
@@jacwindsor5552consider they have a higher than average level of abuse, it’s not so surprising.
yes, you are right @@Phbalancedshorty
Totally disgrace to the uniform. Prison justice will prevail.
36 life sentences = 30 years b4 possible parole......what a joke
The way sentencing is announced in court, due to our legal system, doesn't represent the actual amount of time to be served. It is a complicated thing but most in these circumstances will do life.
The reason they are announced the way they are is be arise we have a "totality" rather that say 36x30 years. Same for minor crimes where people often serve less than what's announced at sentencing. Its just the system and how sentences are announced. Doesn't mean the is all he will serve or if one will ever even get out. Parole just has to be considered for human rights reasons even if said criminals never get out. Hope that helps a little. He won't get out with that level of offence and it's drastic impact on those who suffered and his risk to the public.
@@TheOnlineBarrister thank you ....a now understand the sentence
@Sosolidcrew It's such a difficult process but absolutely never believe what is reported. Sometimes even us barristers don't always know exactly how long one may serve. I'm sure most of my learned friends would agree. But I'm glad it was helpful.
When will women have the same right to be able to walk down the street at night when we can’t even trust the people who are supposed to protect us? I will never walk home after dark because it’s terrifying I’m scared of any man that happens to be around after getting chased by a man when I was 19 I’m now 60 nothing has changed
I understand what you’re saying - I personally avoid going out at night as I too would be concerned for my safety. If I see a woman walking my way, out of respect I cross over to the other side. It’s what men should do in my opinion. I’m wary of men at night so I understand it must be worse being a woman. Best thing is to have someone with you if you have to go out at night.
Or drive, get a taxi.
I have a young daughter so it’s a worry in todays society
exactly. I walk across the road when I see a man and i look reguarly behind me if one is jogging by me, I walk across the road, they won't cross the road at all but creep up behind me so I have to walk across the road, even if there is no pavement on the otherside. I wear a body cam for my front and I am thinkingn of having a body cam for my back. I take 2 loud personal alrarms with me and I walk with running shoes. When I am out with a freind, we have a code we say to each other when we see a say a group of same age men and we take avasive action if we can. we don#'t want to get close to men at all, we don't trust them and when they are with their friends they never stand up for us women and tell men to leave us alone. sometimes they just laugh. as women we have no idea if they have been watching hard core porn a lot, violent sex films or misogynists, we have to assume they are all like that for our safety,. we have seen how male friends supported couzens with his misogyny
thanks. it does make a difference, we don't know if the man is about to attack us, distance is important. It is a clear sign they will leave us alone @@EpicAelflaed
I'm a man and I've never hurt anyone.
I also refuse to be held accountable for the actions of other evil humans.
I'm not gonna cross the street when a woman crosses my path cos I've no intention, in a billion years of causing any harm to another human being.
And it's not just men who can be evil.
Lucy Letby, Sinead James, Margaret Wade, Joanna Dennehy. Myra Hindley, Rose West & Beverley Allitt did some horrible things, but we don't go tarring all women with the same brush.
It's not fair to judge all males.
Those guy's are beasts that's what we call them in prison in Scotland your correct some beasts are big strong guy's one time we attacked a beast, it took 4 of us to take him down.
Thanks for sharing
Rip beautiful woman taken so soon at 33
Poor sarah the fear she must off gone through 😢
They aren't called pigs for nothing. A reputation well earned. Absolutely sickening lot.
What was the name of that documentary I forgot the name.i would like you to do. A documentary on it
Great insight into the British jail system, hello from Australia 🦘🇦🇺🦘
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I work with an ex-cop who boasts about his exploits. He thinks he's untouchable and has got away with it. I have news for him lol...
Report it and be part of the solution
report him
@@jacwindsor5552 exactly everyone has to follow the law
Next time you get him bragging about it, hit the voice record button on your phone, make sure you get him to clearly identify himself and hand the recording in at your local police station and keep a copy in case they sweep it under the carpet.
I was seriously assaulted by a "police officer" while laid pinned on the ground bleeding profusely from a serious head wound and when I tried to report it, after being charged myself!, they all closed ranks. Happily I got him back years later. And they wonder why we hate the police.
I remember being No.1 in the staff mess and having a good relationship with the screws and I was always kept informed about wrong uns that came on to the wing.
Great videos! They are very informative and give a in depth knowledge that is unseen and very useful. Thanks!
Glad you like them!
Good content and detailed explanation of what takes place inside another world.
Go on Ricky lad, loving all your content brother. Enjoying the new stuff, but loads of quality uploads to trawl through from the past too! Good to see your channel growing mate. Kudos 👏
If they are alive after 2 weeks in jail then we need more people with balls ín prison.
i hear you but i have a serious problem with expecting someone else to throw more/most of their life away to satisfy my vengeful feelings. it seems to say "' you're in prison anyway, so you may as well stay there for the rest of your life"...not good imo
I'm only commenting because you asked what the viewers thought.
I found it very interesting and insightful, I'm going to watch more of your content for sure.
Cheers from the UK mate
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A N.O.N.C.E moved in to the street I live in. And when you said that those kind of monsters will inform on someone who is attacking them, as it is second nature to them, even though they've enjoyed creating victims themselves, you are bang on!!
This POS didn't last long in the street, once we all found out about his cases. But, he LOVED to cause massive dramas and then act like the victim, with police being on speed dial ffs!
He is a seriously horrible individual!!!!
I'm not usually the sort of person to say 'lock em up and throw away the key'. I think of myself as someone who would favour rehabilitation. However, I firmly believe that in these two cases, whole life tarrifs were wholly appropriate. These individuals were in the ultimate position of trust and they both violated that trust in the most heinous ways. As a member of the public and as a woman, I feel utterly betrayed by these individuals. They are where they belong so they cannot hurt anymore people. Rest in Peace Sarah Everard 🕊💔.
Totally agree with your assessment.
Great to know about the reality of prison and enjoy your videos to give the public an insight as to what really happens
Excellent video,he is well spoken and informative in every stage of the process.quite shocking but extremely watchable,cheers
I think it’s a good thing you made this video, while I don't condone violence I think this video is a one that might help to make some people think twice before committing crimes like the ones talked about in the video.
Great video Thank you looking forward to to more ❤
It is weird to think tht some criminals hate sex predators but male colleagues will support them in their misogyny and not call them out.
Thank you - very informative.
Only just found your channel because it was suggested to me by the algorithm and watched some of the stuff you are talking about. What interests me, and what might be an idea for a video, is prison food and the foods/drinks prisoners make themselves and how they do it... thanks for all the information you provide here on your channel - you sound real and without bravado unlike some of the other people I have watched here - keep it up
Thanks, I have done a one previously on prison food but I will do an up to date one this week 😀
And yet the character traits shown by both of these criminal officers are still seen as acceptable for new recruits, arrogance, over confidence sly, aggressive, nasty, vindictive.
Those qualities are encouraged in every government job
Rip Sarah justice has been served on these creeps
Has it really though?
This makes me physically sick to my stomach. If there's any final justice, someone will get to them while they are in the dog's yard, as it's sometimes called in Australia. Hope they feel a fraction of the terror they inflicted on those poor women.
The fact that they're being protected in prison is completely wrong in the first place.
Well said 👏 I couldn't agree with you more .why are the tax payer's contributing to there let's say proteced incarceration. It's completely wrong in every way !!! They 💯 should be put in genrel population in prison .or some guards protecting these men should accidently leave there cell's unlocked and leave them to the mercy of the cold blooded killer's in there!!!!
Exactly why the pathetic human rights act needs amendment
So you condone violence against other prisoners. What is wrong with you. Those that attack anyone in prison ought to be given much longer jail time.
@ChrisW444 The death penalty would be better, but the justice system is just too soft in Britain. They're better off being removed from the gene pool, so just let the other degenerates work for that tax money that keeps them fed and watered.
@@drewsonofjamie5589 maybe we could amend the human right act to the one the Nazi’s used.
Smashing it Ricky keep it up
This is the first time I've seen this. How awful that police officers do this kind of thing. I know they are just people, but usually, they become a PO because they want to serve and protect. Great information.
It's a pity both of these individual's trials weren't televised.I'm a firm believer in justice being seen to be done.I know members of the public can witness trials at The Crown Court in person, but i believe cameras should be allowed in court.We have cctv,speed and ANPR cameras everywhere, and we are one of the most surveilled societies in the world,but we still don't have cameras in court unlike the US.Disgraceful.
Well, in two minds about that. People found innocent could still be enormously impacted by the consequences of being shown everywhere, then again, I never heard of these two and it was relatively recent.
This worries and scares me.
These trials are for serious reasons, not your entertainment
@@seymourclearly What a stupid comment to make.Who says televising trials is for entertainment purposes? Clearly you do.The BBC's remit is to inform,educate and entertain.Why doesn't televising criminal court proceedings fit into the educate and inform category? Do you consider the BBC parliament channel to be entertainment then? Parliament resisted tv cameras for many years but it was argued that our parliamentary democracy should be transparent and open to public scrutiny and so cameras (under strict conditions) were allowed in.What is so special about law courts that they shouldn't also be open to transparency and public scrutiny with tv cameras under strict conditions about what can be televised.Those individuals in the public galleries in courts go to courts for the 'entertainment' do they? Don't judge other people by your own low standards i suggest.
Well done big fella you doing great
Thanks for this Ricky !! Very informative - All the best
They deserve everthing they get.
".....and you may go down."
Sends a chill right up and down your spine.
I cannot tell you how disgusted the Met Officers felt about this. I know some who had to go to Couzens location. They hope he gets what he deserves in prison after what he did to that lovely young innocent woman.
There are cops here in Canada that have gotten away with murder and rape and have never been charged or convicted due to the fact that they cover for each other.
Let’s hope that they are on the receiving end of the worst of what prison life has to offer. On a daily basis.
They will be protected for 98% of the time
@@perpetualintellectual2026 98% still leaves 2% - these pigs need to be lucky every day in order not to get killed, whereas the inmate who tops them only has to be lucky once.
His best look forward moment would be to buy a crown topper on his canteen
I never trusted the police before this, it just solidifies my beliefs.
Smart.
L.ve never trusted the Police mate thay just a gang with the law on there side mate scum the word poore girl lost her life it could of been stopped he was report about this a few times but Police did nothing about it. Mate l hate the PIGS NOW
Dont trust, or distrust, any more or less than any other stranger you would meet. Just wearing the uniform makes them intimidating alone though, they know this and take advantage of it, unfortunately.
Thanks, mate takecare
Being a sex offender is bad enough but police sex offenders is really bad for them😂
When you're having a bad day just remember you're life isn't as bad as theirs!
As disgusting as these guys are the other prisoners in prison are also vile. They have the audacity to hate police officers when in reality it’s the scum in prison and those yet to be arrested who are ruining society. Whether it’s theives, gang members, knife crime, drugs etc. they deserve to be targeted also.
There are alot of them who were wrongly convicted and sentenced.
Partially true. Unfortunately, a lot of these "scum" in prison are perfectly innocent and are only there because they have been fitted-up by bastards like Carrick who are encouraged to do so by the bent criminal justice system which isn't interested in whether or not someone is guilty or innocent but only in whether or not they can be convicted. A conviction can be obtained by many means, and it's not necessarily the same thing as guilt.
Becoming a police officer is the perfect career opportunity for those who were bullies at school,. Unlike becoming a gangster, it gives the antisocial element a smokescreen, a veneer of respectability and an infrastructure to work within. The thugs and bullies on the force - sorry, "service" - will be protected by their like-minded colleagues unless the scales tip so far that it becomes obvious that there'll be collateral damage, or a danger of the public becoming aware of them, in which case, like Carrick, they'll be thrown to the wolves.
The point is, they are. Police men going to jail is definitely the minority
@@thefirm4606 what do you mean they are? Unless a thief has stolen from another inmate, they won’t be targeted in prison just because they went to prison for stealing.
@@Thenogomogo-zo3unthat’s complete BS, of course there are wrongful convictions and innocent men in jail, but to say it’s a lot implies it’s a majority, and it’s definitely not.
Nice one as always Ricky mate 👌🏻
One of the best most detailed videos so far. Thanks for such brilliant content.
A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals.
Thanks. Very informative and very entertaining
I wonder wot Wayne wishes 🐻 when I first heard of it, my first thought was there was no way he did that alone. Figure his friends are still 'patroling our streets'
Stay safe people, by the way, if there are any old heroes left in the prison these two wonderful human beings are homed . Can you do the the world a solid favour? 🐻
All good to see you and listen big yin keep the pods going .. Danny.
Hi big yin Danny here. Have or will you give us your take on IPP as you know all to well and for example Danny gee as I think if they can't give any human a release date it's the not knowing That is the sentence, regards.
Great video..I like the sentencing clips 👌
Thank you for this information!
WHY was the POS treated so nicely and politely by the other cops?
I'm sorry, but if I thought, for 1 second, that a person had committed such heinous crimes, I'd have NEVER been able to have spoken to him with anything other than contempt!
It's ridiculous how he got spoken to so flipping decently, when he obviously treated his victims in torturous ways!!!!!
It makes me sick......
I've been a victim and Police have not spoken to me as nicley as that MONSTER.....
The arresting officers are doing it by the book, if they don't he could get away with his crimes or even prosecute the police. Best to be professional and keep your personal feelings aside.
pretty much what i thought but always good to hear it from someone who knows.
49 offences over 17 years and nobody knew !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just can't believe it either!
They knew.
Great video and what you said with the rest of the monster, correct mate
Very informative.great content.👍
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Proper explanation of what these monsters are going to encounter. Well done
Just double checked and I am subscribed! Keep up the great content👍
Thanks! Will do!
Great info. Please continue
Carrick in beast wing full Sutton having a hard time pal👌
Excellent video, this is becoming one of my favourite channels, interesting subjects and not ruined by adverts every 3 minutes, I understand people need to earn money but too many RUclipsrs these days take the absolute piss and completely ruin the flow and enjoyment by putting adverts every 3 minutes, unfortunately I'm not in a position to donate but you've definitely earned a subscriber and a like on this one
Thanks 😊
Just subscribed my friend, i was in and out of jail from age 21 to 30, im 41 now and just getting on with life. But this is why i cant and never will trust the police, i have always seen them as the enemy and still do, they abuse their power
Not all….many jailed people also don’t look for excuses but OWN their problem and are better for it.
I love your honesty 😊
My next door neighbour was murdered by her detective boy friend. He was married and my neighbour got pregnant so he thought I have to get rid of her. She was 8 and a half month pregnant and had a 4 year child. It was awful she was found round the corner beaten unconscious and her head in a bucket of water. He was arrested and spent some time in prison and had to have 24 hour protection. Then he got bail and disappeared and found dead in his car with the exhaust fumes in his car. So 3 people dead including the unborn baby that just 2 weeks to being born, a child left with no mother, parents and family in dispair and grief. It was 29 years ago and still feels so bad, he obviously wasn't very good at his job within 3 days he was arrested.
"so i thought i have to get rid of her" freudian slip? lol
Wow, but I am not surprised
Brilliant honesty mate keep it up
Bigg up Ricky.. hope your well brother 👍🏻🤘🏽😎
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Didn’t expect such deep insight into the prison system, great video lad had me hooked, what were you in for ?
Thanks mate, was in for violence
What is your own thoughts on this Ricky ? Couzinz was known to his own colleagues as an oddball and suspected many many times of heinous crimes but not investigated I don’t believe for a second they didn’t know what he was doing
Couzens was known by his colleagues as "The Rapist" for christsakes! They knew.
Cops covering up for each other...something these corrupt fucks have done since the dawn of time.
Yeah, they always cover for each other.
Enjoyed the video, good content 👍🏻
You do good vids Ricky, keep it up bro
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Well explained, very interesting. Nice one 👍
When did they start calling them vulnerable prisoners? It used to be called being on the numbers, rule 43 prisoners
A long time now mate
Another great video. Thank you.
13:15 I think from a psychological point of view a sex offender is most likely to grass because the label as a grass doesn’t carry the same risk to their safety as the offence they’ve committed. So if they’re in danger (or not) they’re more likely to grass because they would figure that being a grass won’t make any difference, because they’re already a target anyway. Whereas for everyone else, you won’t grass because being a grass will be the thing that makes you the person on the wing that everyone will hate rather than just the people who are targeting you.
There is a bit of deeper psychological about those types of offenders making them more likely to be grasses that aren’t anything to do with what I’ve said, but that’s more about the type of personalities many will share and takes a load more time to explain. But serial killers will share a lot of the same traits, and by that reasoning would also be more prone to grassing too. But a serial killer is probably more likely to use the information they have for blackmail and manipulation.
It’s funny how a serial killer won’t be hated as much as someone who might have had consensual sex with a slightly underage girl.
@@paulworgan6599 it’s a good point. People often don’t realise that in most cases with serial killers the primary motive is usually sexual. The only real difference is that a serial killer figures that the best way not to get caught is to kill the victim to prevent them going to the police.
Obviously there are some serial killers that kill for different reasons but in most cases where serial killing is involved, there’s usually a victim that is the gender than matches their sexual preference and some kind of sex offence before or after the murder.
I will point out that in law there’s no such thing as consensual sex with an under age girl though. And will also point out that many serial killers started out as stalkers and sex offenders but for the reasons outlined above decided that their best chance at avoiding prison was murder.
Just to weave a bit more context to it. Your average psychopath thinks he’s smarter than the average person including the police, and the police aren’t as good at catching murderers as the media tries to portray. I know of two people I went to school with who everyone associated with them are 99% sure the partner did it, and their behaviour afterwards was odd to the extreme and yet both of them are still free. Even though in one case any jury would find it hard not to convict on the circumstantial evidence alone his defence and actions after were that bizarre and the story such an old chestnut of an excuse.