The biggest problem of this tower for players who played earlier KR 1,2,3 and 4 is not offering an innovation. Building a Tier 4 Royal Archer Tower makes me to feel building a Tier 3.5 Archer Tower from other KR games. At least Eagle still hits more than Crow from KR Vengeance. Another point to discuss: Efficiency numbers can decrease a little while tower's maximum range is increasing. The logic here is a little decrease from Tier 3 to Tier 4 is ok because range is increasing and there are upgrades to make to get instant effect. Yes when we buy first upgrade the ability/skill is not on cooldown and we get the result instantly which is a very good thing actually. Conclusion: First, upgrade this tower from Tier 2 to Tier 3 as soon as possible. When you reach Tier 4 do not rush to make upgrades, focus on other things. When High armor enemes start to come in the combat we can upgarde to get instant benefit. Finally you can make/upgrade eagle at last (12nd to 15th waves) if there is nothing more valuable at that moment. Eagles are good especially if tower is near exit to prevent some lives and restart the game.
The normal attack DPS is also way less than every other archer in the series apart from snipers or longbows with no upgrades. I think 4 is actually a low efficiency number for most archer towers. Also its hilarious that eagle still does 3 times the dps of the crow from vengeance.
Lots of good towers have bad upgrade skills, but you don't have to buy them. You can just spam these guys with their multi shot to be most efficient. They're good, idk how good yet, I think they're B tier and lots of beta testers put them in S tier.
btw the most efficient an archer tower can be is a lvl 3 archer tower (eff = 4.15) or a lvl 4 archer tower w/ a 2nd tier ap upgrade (eff = (2304 + 1102.5)/(580 + 240) = 4.15)
The problem with this tower is it not really… fun, like it isn’t impressive. The attack animation feel very slow, the range is small, there’re nothing interestìng about its ability, no support ability, desperately need another barrack for it to deal damage, also the damage is kinda meh. It is worse than the basic tower from KR1. Hell, it’s worse than the Dark Archer tower from KRV.
The dark archer comment is just not true. Nothing can top how bad the Shadow Archer tower is when they have the 1 dps raven. …A shame the rest is true, though. The royal archers really feel mediocre.
I don't think that's what efficiency means in terms of "damage". As I think he means in terms of gold efficiency when it comes to slaying enemies. Without the skill upgrades.
@@Ibrahim_Orhanrange only matters early game when you only have 2-4 towers but once you can get towers everywhere and enemies are also constantly everywhere by like wave 6-7 range becomes less important
Far as I see it, this is like most archer in previous games, good for its cheap cost, reliable early on when it’s the hardest and you can spam it everywhere with the downside of being terrible later on.
My thought about it: Honestly, my only gripe with it is the slow attack speed of the tower, even at lvl 4. It felt, too slow and feels like that's the only thing keep the tower.(I dont use eagle lol) I have been using it lately in heavy costing loadouts, as it is the cheapest tower to upgrade to lvl 4. I tend to go Lvl 4 Tower, 1+ or 3+Pierce Arrows. It's very cheap and efficient, suprisingly have a lot of supporting dps for a single target when all the pierce arrows targets 1 strong enemy. My advice - Use it in heavy costing loadouts cause it's cheap, Lvl4, 1+ or Max Pierce. Use it as supporting OR cleanup dps. Edit: I would recommend using the archers when using 2 Dark Army Heroes as it increases it's damage by 10 if I rmemeber correctly(pls correct me if wrong) Have gud day! :0
One thing that you did not cosider with the abilities: the first ability interrupts the archers normal attack while the eagle doesnt - personally i really like the eagle but yeah it's quite the expensive upgrade
This is actually so important for armor piercer because it takes roughly as much time as three regular attacks. This means you should take 3*32 or 96 damage off each tier of that upgrade to more accurately estimate the efficiency. Doing this makes the first upgrade increadibly inefficient at 1.5 but increases with the subsequent tiers to 3.1 and 3.2. So in the end it's only an okay upgrade if you get at least 2 levels of it.
Btw, i don't know if you know this yet but i tested it ealier and found out that if you have multiple royal archers with the eagle upgrade near each other, the eagles will never attack the same enemy together even if there is only one of them inside their range. I don't know if this is a bug or intentional since the upgrade is even worse if you can't even have a bunch of eagles ganging up on one enemy.
Why must it be so average in terms of attack. Its speed is so sad when you compare it to others in the series. The towers with a slower attack speed have something interesting to make up for it like golden longbows with massive rage and axe throwers' totems. This thing just does damage at mid range
Whether it was a mistake or not, I think it's okay for a game to have useless upgrades. It's like a trap for the gamer. At some point the gamer should figure out that the upgrade is useless and that it's better to do other things first. And if you cannot build any more towers, then the only way to increase damage is to upgrade, that's when it becomes useful.
Although it should have terrible upgrades.... They should have at least some niche use case where they are the best option Otherwise its a waste of time that just makes you restart and never try it again
Horrible take, tbh for me, the purpose of upgrades is to make the tower feel stronger and more satisfying to use. on a game design perspective, making an upgrade useless a bad game design choice, why would you purposefully make it bad in the first place just to incetivize the player to not upgrade it. just bad game design
Let’s be honest here. In a lot of these maps, you more likely than not will not be able to afford upgrades on your level 4 towers in Alliance - I’ve noticed that money is tight there. If a tower performs well at base, then that’s all that matters. If they have useless upgrades that’s ok - as long as you budget your towers well, that tower with horrible upgrades will still be useful. I came across this revelation when I was forced to build Templars in Frontiers during Veteran levels for the fish maps.
I don’t think you’re using the most accurate gold efficiency calculation. The best one to use is the dps per 100 gold one, which is (dps/cost), then times it by 100. This calculation is far more accurate, and is used by most of the community (the few who actually calculate dps per gold at least). DPS calculation is (damage/attack speed).
His method and this method are effectively the same. The only difference will be a factor of 100/60 because this method is per 100 gold instead of 1 gold and his method is per 60 seconds instead of 1 second. Otherwise, there is no difference.
@@11223naruto i mean, the way he's doing it is getting wildly different numbers. I mean I'd need to see a full sheet using his numbers to see if there's truly no difference, but I guess so yeah.
These stats means nothing. The tower with lowest efficiency but attacking every single second with constant damage output is way better than spending money on "efficent" towers on the side of map which attacks mean nothing. Eagle is good if you need constant damage in an area where you can stop enemies. Efficiency would be important if we would build towers on top of towers what matters is space for eagles and "low efficent" towers and upgrades. I bet elven star gazers ability has the best "efficiency" in the game but what matters is usage. I wish there was a mod that shows how much a tower outputs damage entire stage.
I agree with everything you said except “eagle can be good”. Even if it’s in the middle of the map as you said enemies die there the most and it takes like 3s to regather for no reason. It hardly gets good use no matter the use
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Ironhide hates archer towers that spawns a bird. It's the one thing they hate the most after endless mode.
Lmao fr
Unless Crossbows counts.
@@tacogodboomdogg oh dang I actually love the crossbow fort it's my fav archer tower good dps, overall damage and the abilities
The biggest problem of this tower for players who played earlier KR 1,2,3 and 4 is not offering an innovation.
Building a Tier 4 Royal Archer Tower makes me to feel building a Tier 3.5 Archer Tower from other KR games.
At least Eagle still hits more than Crow from KR Vengeance.
Another point to discuss:
Efficiency numbers can decrease a little while tower's maximum range is increasing. The logic here is a little decrease from Tier 3 to Tier 4 is ok because range is increasing and there are upgrades to make to get instant effect. Yes when we buy first upgrade the ability/skill is not on cooldown and we get the result instantly which is a very good thing actually.
Conclusion: First, upgrade this tower from Tier 2 to Tier 3 as soon as possible. When you reach Tier 4 do not rush to make upgrades, focus on other things. When High armor enemes start to come in the combat we can upgarde to get instant benefit. Finally you can make/upgrade eagle at last (12nd to 15th waves) if there is nothing more valuable at that moment. Eagles are good especially if tower is near exit to prevent some lives and restart the game.
Underrated comment
The normal attack DPS is also way less than every other archer in the series apart from snipers or longbows with no upgrades. I think 4 is actually a low efficiency number for most archer towers. Also its hilarious that eagle still does 3 times the dps of the crow from vengeance.
The tower’s efficiency remains pretty fine, as it is the cheapest tower in the game
Lots of good towers have bad upgrade skills, but you don't have to buy them. You can just spam these guys with their multi shot to be most efficient. They're good, idk how good yet, I think they're B tier and lots of beta testers put them in S tier.
Maybe people who rank the tower that high cause they're playing on casual
Really nice series, love these indepth videos
This is awesome. Love your KR content. The more the better!
Love the content, more of this please! 🙏🏽
Love these deep dives!
btw the most efficient an archer tower can be is a lvl 3 archer tower (eff = 4.15) or a lvl 4 archer tower w/ a 2nd tier ap upgrade (eff = (2304 + 1102.5)/(580 + 240) = 4.15)
But consider the RANGE factor also. Each upgrade increases range also.
The problem with this tower is it not really… fun, like it isn’t impressive. The attack animation feel very slow, the range is small, there’re nothing interestìng about its ability, no support ability, desperately need another barrack for it to deal damage, also the damage is kinda meh.
It is worse than the basic tower from KR1. Hell, it’s worse than the Dark Archer tower from KRV.
The dark archer comment is just not true. Nothing can top how bad the Shadow Archer tower is when they have the 1 dps raven.
…A shame the rest is true, though. The royal archers really feel mediocre.
so spending 1 gold for a lvl 1 archer tower offers ~4.11 dmg/minute while spending 1 gold for a lvl 4 archer tower offers ~3.97 dmg/min.
But consider the RANGE factor also. Each upgrade increases range also.
I don't think that's what efficiency means in terms of "damage". As I think he means in terms of gold efficiency when it comes to slaying enemies. Without the skill upgrades.
@@fox7757 yes that's why the unit for efficiency is dmg/(minute * gold) or how much dmg/min spending 1 gold on the tower gives you
@@Ibrahim_Orhanrange only matters early game when you only have 2-4 towers but once you can get towers everywhere and enemies are also constantly everywhere by like wave 6-7 range becomes less important
Far as I see it, this is like most archer in previous games, good for its cheap cost, reliable early on when it’s the hardest and you can spam it everywhere with the downside of being terrible later on.
My thought about it:
Honestly, my only gripe with it is the slow attack speed of the tower, even at lvl 4. It felt, too slow and feels like that's the only thing keep the tower.(I dont use eagle lol)
I have been using it lately in heavy costing loadouts, as it is the cheapest tower to upgrade to lvl 4. I tend to go Lvl 4 Tower, 1+ or 3+Pierce Arrows. It's very cheap and efficient, suprisingly have a lot of supporting dps for a single target when all the pierce arrows targets 1 strong enemy.
My advice - Use it in heavy costing loadouts cause it's cheap, Lvl4, 1+ or Max Pierce. Use it as supporting OR cleanup dps.
Edit: I would recommend using the archers when using 2 Dark Army Heroes as it increases it's damage by 10 if I rmemeber correctly(pls correct me if wrong)
Have gud day! :0
One thing that you did not cosider with the abilities: the first ability interrupts the archers normal attack while the eagle doesnt - personally i really like the eagle but yeah it's quite the expensive upgrade
This is actually so important for armor piercer because it takes roughly as much time as three regular attacks. This means you should take 3*32 or 96 damage off each tier of that upgrade to more accurately estimate the efficiency. Doing this makes the first upgrade increadibly inefficient at 1.5 but increases with the subsequent tiers to 3.1 and 3.2. So in the end it's only an okay upgrade if you get at least 2 levels of it.
Btw, i don't know if you know this yet but i tested it ealier and found out that if you have multiple royal archers with the eagle upgrade near each other, the eagles will never attack the same enemy together even if there is only one of them inside their range. I don't know if this is a bug or intentional since the upgrade is even worse if you can't even have a bunch of eagles ganging up on one enemy.
That was a great video, thanks for the info!
A suggestion: use excel to organize the numbers, it makes it easier and clearer to present them!
I made everything on excel, but it's tough to show in the game. So I move it all to notepad to show it off
Thought this was an Isab video for a sec when the numbers got busted out except Isab doesnt play kingdom rush
there are some situations where the eagle is good such as corruption valley when holding off the swarmlings so they dont jump into the pool
"Eagle might be the worst upgrade in the game"
Bounty Hunt: Hold my efficiency numbers!
Please for next tower dives dont forget to mention about RANGE. A larger range means starting to attack earlier and finishing later so more shots.
I think that really overcomplicates it because then it opens the door for what about barracks stalling, slow effects, ect, ect
@@pantman687But range cannot be an excluded factor, the arboreal emissary is basically supported by his giant range
Why must it be so average in terms of attack. Its speed is so sad when you compare it to others in the series. The towers with a slower attack speed have something interesting to make up for it like golden longbows with massive rage and axe throwers' totems. This thing just does damage at mid range
Whether it was a mistake or not, I think it's okay for a game to have useless upgrades. It's like a trap for the gamer. At some point the gamer should figure out that the upgrade is useless and that it's better to do other things first. And if you cannot build any more towers, then the only way to increase damage is to upgrade, that's when it becomes useful.
Although it should have terrible upgrades.... They should have at least some niche use case where they are the best option
Otherwise its a waste of time that just makes you restart and never try it again
Horrible take, tbh
for me, the purpose of upgrades is to make the tower feel stronger and more satisfying to use. on a game design perspective, making an upgrade useless a bad game design choice, why would you purposefully make it bad in the first place just to incetivize the player to not upgrade it. just bad game design
Completely disagree
Let’s be honest here.
In a lot of these maps, you more likely than not will not be able to afford upgrades on your level 4 towers in Alliance - I’ve noticed that money is tight there.
If a tower performs well at base, then that’s all that matters. If they have useless upgrades that’s ok - as long as you budget your towers well, that tower with horrible upgrades will still be useful.
I came across this revelation when I was forced to build Templars in Frontiers during Veteran levels for the fish maps.
Yeah not my type of tower
I don’t think you’re using the most accurate gold efficiency calculation. The best one to use is the dps per 100 gold one, which is (dps/cost), then times it by 100. This calculation is far more accurate, and is used by most of the community (the few who actually calculate dps per gold at least). DPS calculation is (damage/attack speed).
His method and this method are effectively the same. The only difference will be a factor of 100/60 because this method is per 100 gold instead of 1 gold and his method is per 60 seconds instead of 1 second. Otherwise, there is no difference.
@@11223naruto i mean, the way he's doing it is getting wildly different numbers. I mean I'd need to see a full sheet using his numbers to see if there's truly no difference, but I guess so yeah.
These stats means nothing. The tower with lowest efficiency but attacking every single second with constant damage output is way better than spending money on "efficent" towers on the side of map which attacks mean nothing. Eagle is good if you need constant damage in an area where you can stop enemies. Efficiency would be important if we would build towers on top of towers what matters is space for eagles and "low efficent" towers and upgrades. I bet elven star gazers ability has the best "efficiency" in the game but what matters is usage. I wish there was a mod that shows how much a tower outputs damage entire stage.
I agree with everything you said except “eagle can be good”. Even if it’s in the middle of the map as you said enemies die there the most and it takes like 3s to regather for no reason. It hardly gets good use no matter the use