4 Scenarios that Sound Interesting, but Probably Aren't

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  • @noobymooby-ty8gh
    @noobymooby-ty8gh День назад +1266

    Betting that "What if everything went Perfect for Italy" is in this video

    • @TheKaiserofeurope
      @TheKaiserofeurope День назад +50

      Imagine he put this in this series

    • @nicocola284
      @nicocola284 День назад +77

      Sci fi is always interesting

    • @Vikinglord1111
      @Vikinglord1111 День назад +10

      @@nicocola284 hahahaha, great comment, thanks

    • @Pedro_Ferrandi
      @Pedro_Ferrandi День назад +1

      ​@@TheKaiserofeurope Omg the Kaiser is back

    • @wargamesmaster
      @wargamesmaster 11 часов назад

      Which Italy? The one pre-WWI, Mussolini's Italy or any of the Italian city states before unification?

  • @dorito3366
    @dorito3366 День назад +445

    What if Constantinople didn’t fall in 1453, if it didn’t fall then and there, the ottomans would have just taken it in 1454

    • @CreamTheEverythingFixer
      @CreamTheEverythingFixer День назад +51

      But what if it didn't fall in 1454???

    • @DramaticusMaximus
      @DramaticusMaximus День назад +7

      Tirant lo blanc: “They would do WHAT?!”

    • @unknownunknown743
      @unknownunknown743 День назад +21

      In going to be honest, the ore I have learnt about the siege, the more I believe there is a pretty good chance it would have not fallen 1453

    • @MyUsersDark
      @MyUsersDark 23 часа назад +37

      If Mehmed failed in his gamble to take Constantinople, he would possibly be deposed due to such a catastrophic failure. The conquest of Constantinople is what proved to everyone he was capable of ruling, since before the siege many of his subordinates were against going to war with the Romans.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 22 часа назад +5

      ​@CreamTheEverythingFixer it would stay a minor city state subordinate to the ottoman empire, until it gets sacked or conquered

  • @cheesehotdog3471
    @cheesehotdog3471 День назад +153

    One of these kind of scenarios I always see is 'What if Spain joined Germany' either in WW1 or WW2. Turns out in any case, Spain just gets their ass kicked.

    • @Ethan5I5
      @Ethan5I5 19 часов назад +7

      I think he already did that.

    • @KobeRogers-vw8nx
      @KobeRogers-vw8nx 16 часов назад +1

      Kinda like Ww2 What if
      For an Example
      What if Germany Won Stalingrad
      What if Germany Captured Moscow
      What if Japan Won Midway
      Some of Them sounds like They Win WW2
      But it’s Not because the Germans and Japanese Just Can’t Win

    • @Cocacolaespuma394
      @Cocacolaespuma394 16 часов назад

      Blue division

    • @zebra1327
      @zebra1327 13 часов назад +1

      @KobeRogers-vw8nx What if Germany invaded the UK
      What if Germany invaded Switzerland and Liechtenstein
      Both of these would still end up with Germany losing

    • @kylezdancewicz7346
      @kylezdancewicz7346 11 часов назад

      @@zebra1327oh yeah, those mountain forts look so enticing to invade. Guy’s, trust me warfare in the alps is going to be so fun.

  • @Nils1895
    @Nils1895 День назад +483

    He did this before "What if everything went perfect for Italy"!!

    • @dylanthemylan
      @dylanthemylan 21 час назад +2

      "every went"?

    • @cadentrevino5746
      @cadentrevino5746 21 час назад +8

      I could name at least 10 countries that need a what if everything went perfectly way more than Italy there is Somalia, turkey,spain,Russia modern,Iran,Canada, Japan, France, Egypt modern,Indonesia

    • @PabloEscobar-ws8rz
      @PabloEscobar-ws8rz 21 час назад +3

      He's going to finish without doing it and then he's going to start "what if everything went terrible for x" and start with italy

    • @MateoRogeljellie
      @MateoRogeljellie 19 часов назад +2

      Ok but what if everything went left For italy

  • @Porge28
    @Porge28 2 дня назад +516

    Bro thought he could hide

  • @Samuel-p17
    @Samuel-p17 День назад +55

    Having the stuff from the library would be great for historians to know more about ancient times. Many stuff cited in different texts, are lost because they were stored there.
    But most stuff is lost by time and not by this one fire.

  • @bukanIqbal375
    @bukanIqbal375 День назад +318

    Bro really though he could hide this video from us

    • @friezzerwilhelm
      @friezzerwilhelm День назад +3

      yeah, we are too powerful

    • @frozenbard
      @frozenbard День назад +1

      yea

    • @Miaucraft25
      @Miaucraft25 День назад +3

      How is bro 9 hours early?

    • @RoaninSinger
      @RoaninSinger День назад

      ​@Miaucraft25 yea it's weird

    • @SFTMKW
      @SFTMKW День назад +9

      @@Miaucraft25 it might have been unlisted in a playlist for a bit and only just made public now

  • @louishuelin7907
    @louishuelin7907 День назад +261

    What if everything went PERFECT for Chancellor Sheev Palpatine?

    • @batatanna
      @batatanna День назад +11

      The galaxy would be glorious

    • @depotheose7890
      @depotheose7890 День назад +19

      Thats just the prequel triology again. Even with darth vader getting crippled on mustafar which wasnt planned for by sidious but ensured that vader couldnt overthrow sidious basically immidiately

    • @MisomaniacForsik
      @MisomaniacForsik 23 часа назад +4

      What if everything Anakin Skywalker had high ground?

    • @ivruge
      @ivruge 22 часа назад +4

      It already did

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 22 часа назад +4

      What if anakin skywalker was senator of tatoine instead of a jedi

  • @betin731
    @betin731 День назад +325

    POSSIBLE HISTORY!! HEAR ME!! REMOVE THE FIRST APOSTROPHE FROM THE TITLE AT ONCE, BEFORE OTHERS NOTICE!! THANK YOU!!

  • @dawoifee
    @dawoifee День назад +31

    I'm fond of the Idea "What if Napoleon 2 lived into his old age".
    He would have had a decent chance to take Power in France and as Emperor have a good Relationship with the Hapbsburgs. This could have had the potential to deter Bismark to go for the German unification play.

  • @gegecry
    @gegecry День назад +207

    Fun fact: The race to berlin was less "which allied power got first?" and more "Which Soviet general got first?"
    Edit: I wrote the comment 15 seconds before you mentioned the exact same thing. Still gonna leave it here for the algorithm.

    • @Twiggo_The_Foxxo
      @Twiggo_The_Foxxo День назад

      Raise?

    • @gegecry
      @gegecry День назад

      @Twiggo_The_Foxxo thx for correcting it.

    • @kingmaple9252
      @kingmaple9252 День назад

      Algorithm is only affected when you first send comment though?

    • @SeataltBelten
      @SeataltBelten День назад +9

      @gegecry Yeah I agree. The only way the allies could’ve gotten to Berlin first would be through a negotiated settlement with the Germans - or at least some backdoor shenanigans with their leadership. At any rate the Germans definitely would’ve preferred Berlin falling to the UK/US than the USSR - as history shows.

  • @Sarre_Casme
    @Sarre_Casme День назад +73

    8:15 the true devastation was the destruction of the librarie of Bagdad by the Mongols

    • @bharatvarshaball4000
      @bharatvarshaball4000 22 часа назад +3

      That library was also a translation library, there were many.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 22 часа назад +11

      Yup, i agree, but even then , most of the knowledge there was copied back, and it was aleady in a decline era at the time, it was just way more of an event

    • @Sarre_Casme
      @Sarre_Casme 22 часа назад +8

      @@minestar2247 Yes so much was lost way way more then with Alexandria because they hadn't copied as much because of how humongous the amount of knowledge was in there and it's purpose was to hold all the knowledge In the world so even knowledge that was complicated to copy was stored their in waiting

    • @alehaim
      @alehaim 19 часов назад

      It was the final nail in the coffin, instead of the first plank of the lid

  • @CMVBrielman
    @CMVBrielman День назад +128

    13:11 You’re leaving out a lot of other variables that could alter the situation. Let’s set aside the disease issue for now, but that would likely be the biggest change.
    First, if there is a population able to sustain itself (say, 1,000), then the population can continue. So already, even if the colony doesn’t grow much, it is there, in the first place.
    Next, it would presumably have at least some of the Old World agricultural package. Crops and livestock that the New World wouldn’t encounter for another 500 years. Chickens, sheep, cattle, horses, pigs… introducing just one of these to the New World utterly changes everything. The larger animals, as beasts or burden and/or mounts, revolutionize their societies (or gives the Vinlanders a huge edge over the natives).
    Second, the general technological package. Writing, metallurgy, wheels, shipbuilding etc. Introducing that into the New World centuries early also changes a lot.
    Not to mention the cultural impact.
    And, finally, let us just assume that the colony just holds on, and is just a single reasonably sizable settlement that is still recognizable when the age of Exploration kicks off centuries later. The English explorers discover the colony, and aside from some interesting stories “oh look, the Vikings made it out this far!” Somebody in Northern Europe is going to say “well, this means we were here first, so we obviously have the best claim to this entire region.”

    • @dawoifee
      @dawoifee День назад +30

      The best claim is useless if you do not have the means to enforce them.

    • @zeltron6638
      @zeltron6638 День назад +38

      Yeah, PH ignores the fact that the St-Laurence valley isn't a frozen wasteland like Greenland or Iceland and that it would easily be able to sustain an independently growing population. Plagues probably wouldn't spread from Europe but with livestock animals and much larger settelments the new world migth end up having its own major plagues that could make the plague exchange also hurt Europe.

    • @CMVBrielman
      @CMVBrielman День назад +6

      @@dawoifee Sure, but a potentially friendly settlement of locals with similar culture sure would help with enforcing it.

    • @dawoifee
      @dawoifee День назад +4

      @@CMVBrielman What amount of Population are we speaking here?

    • @CMVBrielman
      @CMVBrielman День назад +3

      @ Not sure. Something self-sustaining. Maybe a few thousand.

  • @Mallos_sqrt17
    @Mallos_sqrt17 2 дня назад +140

    What if everything went perfect for Mongol Empire. | Edit: it was "all went perfect" earlier.
    What if everything went perfect for Napoleon sequel. |
    Viewers vote on balcan borders.
    Minor territorial goals of major axis nations in WWII (like Germany taking thessalonica). Edit: And, maybe, major goals too.

    • @bananamanduh3171
      @bananamanduh3171 День назад +9

      what if we balcan't fix the "balcans" 😔

    • @vaibhavsengar4818
      @vaibhavsengar4818 День назад +3

      Plus mughal empire too. I got the lore.

    • @TeSu-fs7mp
      @TeSu-fs7mp День назад +2

      It's EVERYTHING, not ALL.

    • @Slimjim-t5g
      @Slimjim-t5g День назад +2

      Balkans*

    • @TeSu-fs7mp
      @TeSu-fs7mp День назад +2

      Like, "what if all went perfect" sounds so wrong. But replace "all" with "everything", and it sounds infinitely better. It's the actual spelling, too.

  • @StrangeGamer859
    @StrangeGamer859 День назад +23

    I mostly agree with your Vinland analysis. I still believe it could have a large impact, but it would take a lot of unlikely circumstances and coincidences for it to happen.

  • @specil-k
    @specil-k День назад +25

    "What if Charles Martel lost at the battle of Poitiers" is one I see pointed at as a total game changer when it wasn't even the most important Christian victory in the previous fifteen years

  • @T.Hebert
    @T.Hebert День назад +53

    MINOR GRAMMAR MISTAKE DETECTED. You must now do Perfect Italy.

  • @Ethnogoblin
    @Ethnogoblin День назад +35

    10:50 but what if Napoleon won that alternate battle.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 День назад +10

      They would lose the next one. France simply didn't have the manpower, in experience or numbers, to keep fighting.

    • @Slavicsparrow1775
      @Slavicsparrow1775 18 часов назад

      He can't, he would lose too many men.

    • @isaacskinner5565
      @isaacskinner5565 18 часов назад +6

      @@matthiuskoenig3378what if he just kept winning?

    • @ntfoperative9432
      @ntfoperative9432 16 часов назад +4

      @isaacskinner5565even if he kept winning, eventually he would just be bled dry, losing men at every battle until he just had none left. Literally all of Europe wanted him dead, a few lost battles weren’t going to cow them, they would just keep coming at him until eventually Napoleon would either surrender, or get killed on the field

    • @isaacskinner5565
      @isaacskinner5565 16 часов назад +3

      @ Yes, but what if he just kept winning?

  • @Sr.Originality100
    @Sr.Originality100 19 часов назад +7

    What if the Kingdom of Denmark did care about the colonies they inherited as the Kalmar Union? Kalmar Union is definitely one of the most interesting time periods of Nordic history to me so I would actually like to see if something would come of this or if it'll end up like the scenario mentioned here.

  • @swishercutterx7456
    @swishercutterx7456 День назад +17

    To quote Thanos, "Reality is often disappointing"

  • @AGuyJustChillin.
    @AGuyJustChillin. 2 дня назад +59

    What If Brazil remained fighting in world war two? (The allies supposedly promised an occupation zone in South Austria If Brazil sent reinforcements)

    • @granducatoditoscana5112
      @granducatoditoscana5112 День назад +10

      Bruh are you serious?

    • @irrelevantcheese8623
      @irrelevantcheese8623 День назад +9

      But they did fight in ww2?

    • @AlexandristheGreat
      @AlexandristheGreat День назад +6

      ​@irrelevantcheese8623Yes,25K Soldiers helping in Italian campaign
      Its mainly feat was winning Battle of monte castelo

    • @FabianoVo
      @FabianoVo День назад +11

      Supposedly, Brazil was offered an occupation zone in Austria, but brazilian president Getúlio Vargas refused, the ocupation would be very expensive and it would be better for the country if the soldiers just returned

    • @LeastNationalistBrazilian
      @LeastNationalistBrazilian День назад +1

      @@FabianoVo yea
      which i find interesting

  • @TheSnailfeeder
    @TheSnailfeeder 19 часов назад +4

    Notice how none of the suggestions were "What everything went perfect for Italy"

  • @FlowerPotsM
    @FlowerPotsM 2 дня назад +65

    *i collected some cool scenarios from r/possiblehistory*
    what if the arabs took constantinople?
    what if everything went perfect for japan in ww2?
    what if everything went perfect for albania?
    *and i also created my own*
    what if italy was the main player in ww2?
    what if hitler fled to argentina and took over the government?
    what if capitalist democrats rebelled instead of communists in russia?
    what if prc invaded taiwan and the roc stayed in hainan?
    what if russia stayed communist after the collpase of the ussr?
    what if russia went democratic and joined nato?
    what if ww1 was reenacted in ww2 (roleplaying like ww2&1 in modern day)
    what if russia got more of america?
    what if non-aligned movement won the cold war?
    what if napoleon went to italy after elba and built an empire there?

    • @Bartholomew-h9q
      @Bartholomew-h9q День назад +1

      Ye these are very good/cool alt history scenarios. Hope he sees this

    • @theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658
      @theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658 День назад +1

      "Everything went perfect for Albania " but it already did.

    • @longfineel2630
      @longfineel2630 День назад

      Italy would lose.
      Hitler would get nuked.
      They did. Then the communists revolted against them.
      Then the PRC would simply cross the very indefensible crossing.
      Collapse economically.
      They tried, were barred.
      ... what?
      They would sell it off anyways after Crimean war
      Not. Actually possible
      Then the British, Austrians, and Russians would march into Italy
      Pick better scenarios.

    • @Arstotzkanscitizen
      @Arstotzkanscitizen День назад +1

      I made the what If everything went perfect for Albania and I don't think it was good

    • @vixinitydbz
      @vixinitydbz День назад +1

      r/PossibleHistory these days are infested with NRPs

  • @petrqucharski3687
    @petrqucharski3687 2 дня назад +27

    Secret video?

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 День назад +6

    Thanks For this! Love seeing You reach deep

  • @ArcaneCannonChey
    @ArcaneCannonChey 18 часов назад +2

    I think that the most interesting impact Vinland could have on the world is the introduction of advanced metallurgy to the Americas, as it's easy to sell military innovations to a tribe looking to one up their rivals. And more over it would be fascinating to explore whether the tribes who adopted this advanced practice would continue their migratory lifestyle or begin to migrate to a set collection of areas with access to the resources they need or give it up entirely. It would also be incredibly funny to see native American tribes adopt the writing style of Norway.

  • @Bartholomew-h9q
    @Bartholomew-h9q День назад +10

    He really thought he could hide it from us lol

  • @averagebalkaner1317
    @averagebalkaner1317 День назад +18

    What if nuclear weapons never existed?

    • @redsun5929
      @redsun5929 День назад +10

      escalate every existing conflict due to no MAD

    • @fearedjames
      @fearedjames День назад

      Most likely, the Korean War is won by the US, and another world war happens eventually.

    • @Dude-vq3oe
      @Dude-vq3oe День назад

      I think AlternateHistoryHub already made a video exploring this.

    • @Terhe
      @Terhe 11 часов назад +1

      Yes, it is really interesting one, we might have seen WW3

  • @johnthedave
    @johnthedave 17 часов назад +1

    Can’t wait for “What if everything went perfect for possible history”

  • @GigaRoman
    @GigaRoman День назад +32

    What if Italy had everything gone well

  • @HerrAndreasSkog
    @HerrAndreasSkog 19 часов назад +5

    I completely disagree about Vinland.
    Norway had fewer than 200 000 inhabitants during the early Middle age. In 150 years from the first settlements on Iceland to the year 1000, the Norse population in Iceland, of whom almost all came from tiny Norway, grew to around 60 000 people. That is a remarkable speed of settlement concidering how small the original population was. A remarkable amount of people who were willing to sail straight into the raging North Atlantic with hopes of a better life on a subarctic island. Also a remarkable speed of procreation once they arrived in Iceland.
    After this initial population boom noone cared about settling Iceland because Iceland was full. The following centuries consisted of a series of civil wars. All useful land was settled, there was no more territory to expand into.
    The fact that anyone even tried to settle Greenland shows that quite a lot of people were indeed desperate to migrate from both of these situations. Had there been a realistic chance to settle Vinland or Nova Scotia there was ample potential both from Iceland to find people both willing to take the chance and have plenty of kids once a new area full of resources was available to them.
    This simply didnt happen because of the military capacity of the indigenous population. New Foundland is very mountainous and would be extremely difficult to take over in its entirety even for a large mediveal war fleet.
    The whole thing could have been dramatically different if for example the indigenous people on Vinland would have caught the flu from the Norse and perished or fled. The settlers could have marketed the new land as safe (temporarily) to land hungry Icelanders and there could have been larger settlement projects. Perhaps on better suited islands such as Prince Edward's Island.
    Had this been successful enough, rumor of the new lands would eventually spread to Northern Europe. Especially If the first settlers grow wealthy and start demanding more trade and imports from Europe. Again, there was considerable potential for migration, had they been able to gain a foot hold.
    Another thing is that the smallpox that existed in Europe during mediveal age was of a different strand than the one who we know from the 15th century up to its eradication in 1979. The mediveal variety might very well have had a much lower deadlyness, perhaps more like variola minor than major. So if the Native Americans had gotten that strand several centuries before the contact with the modern form, perhaps their survival rate would have been much higher and history would have taken a wildly different turn.
    Anyhow. Shortage of daring, land hungry Scandinavians willing to brave the Ocean was the least of the reason why Vinland never came to be.

  • @Qspjsgpuwthpvjsvpu
    @Qspjsgpuwthpvjsvpu 22 часа назад +3

    I think the first one could be refrased as "what if the soviets did worse in ww2 and the allies got all of germany at the yalta peace conference"

  • @AwwsomeHistoryYT
    @AwwsomeHistoryYT День назад +7

    What if Canada annexed Alaska after the Crimean War?

  • @slyninja4444
    @slyninja4444 21 час назад +2

    The one thing about the last scenario is the Wabanaki and Iroquois confederacy.
    Even if only they gain immunity to disease, it would mean that they would be a buffer to british/american expansion west.
    Furthermore, with the introduction of domesticated animals, it would make it easier to expand more than they did in OT and would result in a higher population density and maybe even cities (as domesticated animals tend to help with civalization growth).

  • @NasirFarooq-hv3pm
    @NasirFarooq-hv3pm 18 часов назад

    Absolutely loved it❤
    Waiting for the next part😊

  • @Gabowsk
    @Gabowsk 21 час назад +3

    What if the Spanish Conquest of Ming China was actually carried out?

  • @petrqucharski3687
    @petrqucharski3687 2 дня назад +13

    And a reminder to PH not about the unimpactfull scenerios but you said in the What if history went perfect for Poland episode. You said that the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get it's video some day and as a Polish person I'm waiting...
    And what if Alexander The Great didn't die so young
    🌝
    Btw congrats on almost 200k

  • @ulricmorningstar3524
    @ulricmorningstar3524 День назад +4

    Honestly, great points! My only peave is with Waterloo as nearly all nation (outside of Russia) were really ready to throw in the towel, especially britain, after the end of the napoleonic war. Quite a bit of british propaganda helped smooth the fact that after the first defeat of napoleon, it took meer days for the entire british public to stop occupations, stop all the massive spending and more like a cork from a bottle. Sure those ideas where somewhat supressed after Napoleon return, but if Waterloo is another costy defeat, their is a non zero chance for the british public to force the british parliament's hand unless they quickly find a way to deal with napoleon.
    I know you're kindof suffering CGP gray syndrome here where all the "experts" suddenly appear after you stopped your researched, but I advise you to see historia civilis videos on the the congress of Vienna if you hadn't has well as the work he cited on his video. There, it showed a side not much said on the napoleonic wars where britain was much more on the backfoot than it ever dare claim itself to risk it's prestige hurt greatly.
    Anyway i'll stop rambling, great work once again!

  • @TheOnlyBloke
    @TheOnlyBloke День назад +2

    That last scenario could be an interesting one to explore if, say, for whatever reason, Norway rejected being a part of the Kalmar Union, causing a retaliatory war from Sweden and Denmark, thus forcing many a Norwegian to flee to Iceland, Greenland, and Vinland (or something along those lines)

  • @ivanahr26
    @ivanahr26 День назад +3

    I would really like to see your take on the Vinland scenario where it actually has drastic changes!

  • @Corium1
    @Corium1 День назад +4

    what if nothing ever happened

  • @starman_3393
    @starman_3393 23 часа назад +4

    *Video idea___
    What if may constitution failed to pass in plc parliament. At first it may appear as another scenario which changes nothing but
    1’st it removes two last partitions so plc survives a Russian vassal
    2’nd the war against the constitution removed a lot of Prussian/hre forces from French front so without it with bigger force’s fighting against revolutionary forces in 1792 the French Revolution might have been crushed.
    So it’s more of a “what if French Revolution got crushed in 1792” scenario. With Revolution falling before it’s ideas spread through most of Europe with plc surviving as Russian vassal as a bonus.

  • @kizi2213
    @kizi2213 19 часов назад +2

    A Vinland Senario would be fun

  • @TheRealRandomGrunt
    @TheRealRandomGrunt 2 дня назад +11

    How'd we get here?

    • @Corium1
      @Corium1 День назад

      by clicking on the video

  • @d438roblox
    @d438roblox 20 часов назад +2

    What if "The Yalta Conference Happened much later on"
    Edit: Ok so I got another idea: what if "Napoleon Won at Waterloo but with the help of Blücher aiding the british" IK it is unrealistic at another level but still what if...

  • @HonestObserver
    @HonestObserver 19 часов назад

    Fantastic video, can’t think of more ideas that don’t matter but you should definitely make a sequel and an earlier Age of Exploration scenario (maybe from a different origin?)

  • @amazingdragonboy1202
    @amazingdragonboy1202 День назад +6

    Crazy scenario idea: history if the USA never had any corruption scandals.

    • @swanstarr1441
      @swanstarr1441 День назад +1

      By international standards it really isn't that corrupt. Yous are just whiny

    • @amazingdragonboy1202
      @amazingdragonboy1202 День назад +1

      No I meant if it wasn't corrupt throughout its whole history, I should probably rephase it so its more clear.

    • @swanstarr1441
      @swanstarr1441 День назад +1

      @amazingdragonboy1202 Ah ok fair. Tho idk how interesting that would be as a video.

  • @malleableconcrete
    @malleableconcrete День назад +2

    Going to very strongly disagree with your Vikings in Canada point for the following reasons:
    1. Vinland doesn't need to be the end of things, I think a more interesting scenario is if the Vikings expanded their exploration into the Gulf of St Lawrence and down the river, as well as the American east coast. If they did this, they would quickly find a series of waterways that are very easy to exploit with their technology and lead to lands and opportunities vastly beyond what their frozen hovels in Greenland and Iceland were capable of. The economic opportunity here is evident I think, there's a lot of trading that can happen through the St Lawrence river valley, hell it was already happening among the native people, we're essentially talking about access to the goods of the entire northern half of North America, going into the greats lakes which themselves are just a stones throw from the Mississippi river and then the Caribbean, the potential opportunity here is vast. The Vikings were already as much traders as raiders, though of course they know these don't have to be mutually exclusive, if a solid trading base was established in Newfoundland, or better, somewhere further south like Prince Edward Island or the current location of Montreal, they could potentially make a lot of money, have large influence on local politics, and draw in a lot more Norse settlers and soldiers to consolidate and expand. Note that all of these things happened in places like Ireland or Kievan Rus.
    2. As mentioned the climate is just better in Canada or the east coast, Viking settlers would have a far easier time creating a sustainable agricultural colony somewhere around here than they did in the frozen wastes of Iceland and Greenland they actually settled. Those old settlements might instead be more important as waypoints to much more liveable North America. There doesn't even have to be much top down colonialism from the kingdoms in Scandinavia, they didn't really need that to start their colonial ventures around the Viking world already where trade, loot, good land and avoiding the long arm of the law was motivation enough for many Viking adventurers to get going from Ireland, to Russia, to Greenland. If there is an established, economically successful colony in the New World, Greenland and Iceland only need to be the initial source of the population, people could quickly be drawn in from across Northern Europe when it becomes clear that there's money and people to exploit here. Hell, this might also stimulate further advances in naval technology to make the journey faster and easier.
    3. The Kalmar union will have little to do with this, for one it took place in 1397, almost 400 years after the initial discovery of America. The butterfly effect from a successful north American trading colony established centuries beforehand are so dramatic to be almost impossible to predict, maybe the political situation leading to the union won't even exist as a result and it just never happens. Maybe Norway creates a north Atlantic trade empire built around exploiting these American trade routes, potentially enriching the nation and shifting the economic centre further north and west. Maybe the British or French kingdoms get interested and drawn in as well, in the same way they did when the Spanish and Portuguese started their colonial ventures. Maybe direct political control from Europe withers over time and the Viking colonies become essentially independent or create a hybrid society with the local people (similar to Ireland and Russia).
    4. Even if the North American venture is a complete failure for the Vikings and crumbles in less than a hundred years, this can still have revolutionary effects on America. If they bring over just a single herd of horses and the Native people notice that the Europeans are riding them, that could facilitate their capture and the dissemination of horses across the Americas, which we know had massive, and extremely rapid, effects on the Americas in real life, without much need for direct European intervention with the introduction of Spanish horses into the Americas from the 1500s onward. In our timeline this completely revolutionized warfare and the entire mode of life for a lot of Native people, especially in the great plains, which could mean that the next group of European settlers or conquerors could expect to find a very different reality if the empires of Mexico or wherever had a contingent of cavalry too. That says nothing then about the new awareness of people from across the ocean can have on native American societies, and the spread of other new technology and crops from the Vikings even if they were only there for a short amount of time. Advanced metal working for example, you could have iron technology spread across the Americas and further level the playing field, as well as useful crops like wheat and other animals like sheep or pigs. Again, this is so impactful if it did happen it becomes impossible to predict any further, even if Europe in general just ignores America after this .
    5. Just a thing to note, but the disease point is actually a bit controversial, I know that a lot of historians increasingly think that the spread of the diseases that did so much damage to the Native American populations has been misunderstood badly as an inevitabilty that would have cleared out America no matter what, but this ignores the existing European colonial policies that exacerbated and worsened things and helped contribute to population collapse after contact had already happened, things like the relentless low level warfare between Europeans and natives with lots of slave raiding and displacement of natives weakened them and made them more vulnerable to disease, and in addition to that you had the relentlessly exploitative and unsustainable economic policies of the Spanish with things like the Encomienda system basically turning natives into a slave population to be exploited ruthlessly, this has also been linked to exacerbating the effects of these diseases. Additionally, especially in Mexico, the biggest killer actually doesn't seem to be smallpox or measles, its a mysterious disease called Cocoliztli, that might actually be a native disease where the conditions of colonial Mexico caused it to sweep through the population. If it is the case that disease is more of a side effect of colonialism this could have huge ramifications in a world where its less likely that the Europeans can enforce their will on a Native population. That's on top of the fact that if the European diseases are introduced earlier by a country like Norway less capable of large scale conquest, centuries early with less impactful technology they can exploit, then the Natives will have longer to build up resistance to the new pathogens. Altogether, again this can vastly change the outcome of history even if Viking colonial attempts are only slightly more successful and long lasting.

  • @Dimdariusz
    @Dimdariusz День назад

    I absolutely do want a part two. I really love how your videos are nuanced and don't rely on historical anecdotes or stereotypes (it always surprises me how many people on the internet, even some content creators, have such a superficial view of history, something like 'rome good turk bad' or 'the soviet army was a horde of mindless marauders and rapists that were leaving nothing behind' lol)

  • @KooshyBalooshy
    @KooshyBalooshy 4 часа назад +1

    The one song this guy uses a lot is called nocturne chopin op 9 no. 2

  • @howardlanus8467
    @howardlanus8467 21 час назад +2

    What if the Ming discovered the New World?

  • @NubulusAugustus
    @NubulusAugustus 21 час назад +1

    Viking America already exists. It’s called Minnesota.

  • @Tino262d
    @Tino262d День назад +1

    "What if hitler got accepted into art academy"
    I fucking hate this one, perfect for this style!

  • @Swedishempireball-l6i
    @Swedishempireball-l6i 10 часов назад +1

    What if Sweden helped Finland in the winter war by joining Finlands side

  • @leonardomendes9386
    @leonardomendes9386 23 часа назад +3

    What if everything went perfectly for Portugal?

  • @depotheose7890
    @depotheose7890 День назад +3

    Can you do a "what if everything went horrible for italy"?

  • @feliciastaldotter5168
    @feliciastaldotter5168 21 час назад +1

    Tbh i kinda like a potential vinland settlement being tiny and not having much if any contact with europe cooler. Like some small differences in culture and religion for the people in the area via that connection. Not changing much but its there.

  • @gargarislodged3186
    @gargarislodged3186 День назад

    I keep repeatedly seeing your videos 1 minute after it releases!

  • @gregoryturk1275
    @gregoryturk1275 18 часов назад +1

    You cannot run from me

  • @fabienmaillet
    @fabienmaillet 23 часа назад +2

    When you don’t know how plural works

  • @jaydenb1766
    @jaydenb1766 19 часов назад +2

    There I one thing I want to see even if it is high and realistic, what if the German leadership put down their anti-Communist or was less radical against it and allied with the Soviets versus the western powers?

  • @Selj1
    @Selj1 20 часов назад +1

    What if the Fourth crusade went to Egypt as planned, and did not topple Byzantium?

  • @paulcittone3193
    @paulcittone3193 13 часов назад +1

    you should do a scenario of what if collations didn't form against Napoleonic France

  • @dqnkdoggo_
    @dqnkdoggo_ День назад +13

    Here’s some ideas for you:
    What if France was punished after WW2?
    What if Texas remained Independent?
    Viewer Vote on the Balkan Borders post 1st Balkan War

    • @Dude-vq3oe
      @Dude-vq3oe День назад

      Why would France be *punished* after WW2? Weren’t they a victim?

    • @Dummkopf420
      @Dummkopf420 23 часа назад

      @@Dude-vq3oei guess he means vishy france(or whatever the puppet state was called) but thats a massive stretch

    • @kyrianbilbao9073
      @kyrianbilbao9073 19 часов назад

      Bro really hates the french

    • @Dummkopf420
      @Dummkopf420 19 часов назад

      @ who doesn’t

    • @dqnkdoggo_
      @dqnkdoggo_ 19 часов назад

      @@Dude-vq3oe basically the US wanted to punish France after WW2 thanks to France surrendering, because American recognized the Vichy regime.

  • @tompatterson1548
    @tompatterson1548 День назад +1

    Vinland would have an impact as this would lead to a period of prolonged trade with Europe leading to the introduction of a few new technologies. Like you only need two of s kind of livestock to form a herd. Imagine if they got horses before 1500?

  • @МихаилТимошкин-е4т
    @МихаилТимошкин-е4т День назад +1

    What if the Decembrists won in 1825? Can you please consider two scenarios separately (the victory of the Northern and Southern societies).
    P.S. I apologize for the slightly clumsy translation.

  • @mlvluu9836
    @mlvluu9836 19 часов назад +3

    Vinland doesn't have to be connected to Europe or a colonial empire to be interesting!

  • @bobmcbob9856
    @bobmcbob9856 21 час назад +1

    Well a big possible impact of Norse Vinland is, arguably, the introduction of better mining and metalworking. While initially they seem not to have wanted to trade metal goods with the locals, over time, especially once abandoned by the Danes, they might begin to exchange these secrets with the natives (not to mention the information might get out via smiths captured by natives in battle or by other means). This could be a rather bog deal and shake up native polities in the area long before other Europeans arrive.
    That said, it depends whether such experts would come to Vinland at all. Smiths almost certainly but mining might never take hold there, simply using imported metal or maybe even only repairing imported tools and weapons, but it is an interesting possibility.
    To my knowledge north of the Rio Grande nothing fancier than copper was worked extensively

  • @Da_Noobi3
    @Da_Noobi3 16 часов назад +1

    what if everything went prefect for me?

  • @Lazardeve2
    @Lazardeve2 21 час назад +2

    What if poland became a part of the ussr?
    Basicaly a potentionally smaller poland, and a bigger poland, mainly in the east.

  • @robertdowling4673
    @robertdowling4673 День назад

    You know, this gives me an idea of some videos you should do. (Sorry if you mention some of them in the video I post before I watch). This is day nine of this by the way.
    -What if the confederacy won the civil war.
    -What if Italy was militarily competent in ww2
    -what if Italy sided with the allies in ww2
    -what if the dinosaurs never went extinct (this isn't really history but still cool)
    -what if the cold war went nuclear
    -what if Italy sided with the central powers
    -what if Charles Babbage had successfully completed his analytical engine

  • @mangoisdelicious9078
    @mangoisdelicious9078 16 часов назад +1

    I have a scenario that probably doesn't sound interesting, but I think could maybe be pretty impactful!
    *What if Finland didn't go through the continuation war?*
    This would be impactful because Finland would get to keep Petsamo and pre-continuation war diplomatic relations, but I don't know how- (and think it is too complicated for me) to be able to make a valid idea of what could happen in a more in depth way. I think many people would think it is less interesting, because you just _don't_ start the continuation war *:*P

  • @davimendesboni8777
    @davimendesboni8777 22 часа назад

    I really liked this video, can you do more of these?

  • @floor737
    @floor737 День назад +4

    NORWAY FINALLY MENTIONED!!!🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

    • @ItzLucky90
      @ItzLucky90 День назад +2

      In the uninteresting scenario vid… us Norwegians can’t catch a break

  • @Qspjsgpuwthpvjsvpu
    @Qspjsgpuwthpvjsvpu 23 часа назад +12

    1:22 that sounds so capitalist bro

    • @purpledevilr7463
      @purpledevilr7463 22 часа назад +1

      Exactly.

    • @noobymooby-ty8gh
      @noobymooby-ty8gh 12 часов назад +1

      Competition is capitalist?

    • @abdurrehmannasir5963
      @abdurrehmannasir5963 8 часов назад +2

      @@noobymooby-ty8gh To a degree, yes it is very capitalistic. Having multiple people pitching their own ideas and letting the market decide is a core capitalistic ideal.

    • @bidenator9760
      @bidenator9760 6 часов назад

      And what's wrong with that?

    • @Qspjsgpuwthpvjsvpu
      @Qspjsgpuwthpvjsvpu 6 часов назад

      @@bidenator9760 nothing, its just that stalin was like the most anti capitalist person ever, him saying that competition provides better results is ironic

  • @justanormalguy9058
    @justanormalguy9058 День назад

    Thsnk you for the information my glorious king possible history 🙏

  • @notakiwi7151
    @notakiwi7151 21 час назад +1

    if the vikings stayed there for even a little bit longer, or interacted with the tribes even a little bit more, european diseases couldve spread across america and thus they wouldve been more prepared for columbus.

  • @QUINDAGA
    @QUINDAGA 3 часа назад +1

    What if the Great Northern War never Happened?

  • @keizervanenerc5180
    @keizervanenerc5180 День назад +3

    I have always wondered why viking contact with native americans DIDN'T result in the mass desease epidemic in the America's. But i can't find any research papers on it. Are there any serious theories about that?

    • @NoName-oz3gj
      @NoName-oz3gj День назад +2

      Probably because of how sparse it is in Canada. People lived very far apart from eachother

    • @MohammedAli-hl4mr
      @MohammedAli-hl4mr 5 часов назад +2

      its due to how sparsely populated the region they arrived in was and the fact that the people the came into contacted were likely very small in number

  • @mescalero_3309
    @mescalero_3309 День назад +4

    For the next time use What if Germany won at Stalingrad. It is absolutely indifferent, as both sides lost many soldiers there, which unlike the Soviet Union Germany couldnt really replace. Also not only did Germany by that point have a good synthetic oil production, so they wouldnt really need the oil fields that much, as they needed it when the offencive was decided and it thus wouldnt help the slightest bit with Germanys war effort. Not to mention, that even if victorious at Stalingrad, there is no way in which the Germans would not only reach the oil fields, but actually take them, since they would be supplied through Iran, or even blown up if worst comes to worst. The only thing that this might do is to take the oil from the soviets, thus maybe slowing them down a bit. But even that is stretching it

    • @thejam6.6memes48
      @thejam6.6memes48 18 часов назад +1

      It would have immensely hurt the soviets. Germans still would have lost, but the Soviet’s would be a lot weaker post war

  • @cixzejy
    @cixzejy День назад

    I’m pretty intrigued by the possibility of a viking Vinland colony that loses contact. with 400 years to expand/raid/trade I feel like it could be very influential

  • @johnthedave
    @johnthedave 17 часов назад +1

    8:01 little do you know they had FTL travel in there

  • @emmetjames2482
    @emmetjames2482 3 часа назад

    I feel like the scenario "What if the Soviet won the Winter war," because. . . They did? It may not have been the crushing victory they wanted, but they still won, and even if they had, they would have had to deal with an insurgence

  • @mksushi5754
    @mksushi5754 14 часов назад

    The suggestion "What if FDR survived until the end of WW2" is actually an interesting one, since it could possibly lead to an alternate Vietnam War, as FDR was not favorable to the French and the US had favorable communications with Ho Chi Minh up until the end of WW2. I'm not saying this would end up with the US siding with the Rebellion or that the US wouldn't send France material support. However, opinions were already mixed on supporting an imperialistic reconquest of a colony, so a delay in support could very well happen, because of the president's persistence.

  • @tristandaughtry8676
    @tristandaughtry8676 22 часа назад

    Walter white ahh avatar frfr love the new way of the channel

  • @JoeRobertson-f7h
    @JoeRobertson-f7h 22 часа назад

    Your dismissal of the Viking Voyages seems to be you also dismiss the Polynesian Voyages, likely dismissing a Easter Island-Inca discovery with the same haughtiness as you do here.

  • @addickland5656
    @addickland5656 День назад

    It's funny to put it as a suggestion under this video of all things, but I've thought for a while about the exact opposite to this, as in "X number of Scenario's that sound irrelevant, but would have COLOSSAL implications upon human history". I think it would be fun if you did that side of the coin too. Take some small decision, battle, appointment or death that not just could have realistically gone the other way, but also would change everything going forward in an utterly profound way, and do a scenario on it. I'm sure there are many good ones, all the way from battles in ancient times (Persia conquers Greece) to 20th century US elections (Wilson loses in 1912), out there.

  • @bizmasterTheSlav
    @bizmasterTheSlav День назад +1

    Alas, the video decided to stop playing hide and seek

  • @cameronmando
    @cameronmando 13 часов назад +1

    What if history went perfect for the Dutch?

  • @Ower8x
    @Ower8x День назад

    Yeah Waterloo is one of many instances that are only significant because the result was as it was, if they went the other way they would be one of background events, that would slightly shift the timeline but would not have as bit an impact as many think.

  • @galCheri
    @galCheri День назад +1

    the only true ineresting scenario is what if possible history made realistic scenarios only

  • @BandGGaming
    @BandGGaming День назад

    Alexandria is an even funnier point to raise - it's an internet factoid that travelers would bring a book there, have it copied, then be given the copy back. Almost everything they had would have been a copy of information already elsewhere

  • @borekspacil952
    @borekspacil952 23 часа назад +2

    1:54 cmon thats not Elbe river, thats Vltava river

  • @GuiSonic-mx6io
    @GuiSonic-mx6io День назад +1

    Ima send some ideas for new videos
    What if no one won ww1?
    What if rome conquered germany?
    What if france won the franco-prussian war?
    What if portugal listened christopher columbus ideas?
    What if Plan rubber was executed by the USA?
    What if france managed to control britaiin medieval era?
    What if the papal states unified italy?
    What if rome didn't existed?

  • @DarkWallay
    @DarkWallay 6 часов назад

    That Death Star Stalin suggestion is goated do that one

  • @zhcultivator
    @zhcultivator День назад +1

    please make a part 2 on this video idea.

  • @Porsche911-s3u
    @Porsche911-s3u 14 часов назад +1

    What if everything went perfect for napoleon and he ran the country as well as he ran the military

  • @ale-xsantos1078
    @ale-xsantos1078 18 часов назад

    Regarding Waterloo I think it WOULD be interesting if *Napoleon won but died* in the battle
    Like he would have proved he "had it in him" once more but considering, as you said, that the Coalition had declared war on him specifically suddenly they wouldnt have their target anymore as the Emperor of the French passed away with a bang, after which the question becomes of what to do with France with british, austrian, prussian and russian goals for the war clashing and the winners of the OTL Waterloo not in position to dictate terms since their armies got crushed by Napoleon before his passing

    • @SquidMonke4
      @SquidMonke4 18 часов назад

      End result same borders as before. They were already doing the vienna treaties before the 100 day crisis. If he won same peace deal exept now he is dead. Another boring one

  • @darthrainbows
    @darthrainbows День назад

    Proper Viking settlement of North America would have required some kind of disaster back in Norway that pushed people out in search of somewhere more hospitable. I can't think of any likely candidates, but you could dig deep for some unlikely ones. A volcano on Iceland erupts, spreading an ash cloud over northern Europe. A chain of eruptions on the island and further north into the Atlantic keeps replenishing the ash, which causes a series of bitterly cold years. Successive harvests are ruined and a famine strikes. Resistance to raiding is stronger than expected, and with few options, the Vikings are forced to seek out greener pastures.

  • @bomoose
    @bomoose День назад

    4:35 taras are in fact made of parchment(a material usually made from cows hide)