Welcome to America. As soon as we find a way to monetize something, we make a buck on it until we destroy then move on until there's nothing else to consume.
All other major sports leagues see lack of parity as a bad thing, and they take steps to avoid it. FBS College football is the only sport that seems hell-bent on consolidating as much power as possible to the fewest schools/conferences as possible, while telling the rest that they can go eff themselves.
Hey, I went to Stanford and ... OK, yeah, you're mostly right. Stanford is not a football move, obviously. It does offer a lot for a conference to brag about in terms of academics and non revenue sports, but it isn't going to move the needle in a football media deal. Cal is, if anything, worse in that regard.
This Depressed Ginger guy keeps pumping the BIG propaganda. I have a good feeling he is a BIG guy. You noticed he will tell you all the reasons in the world why Stanford and Cal joining the ACC makes zero sense because the two teams don't add any value to the ACC, while on the other hand, it makes perfect sense for BIG to add the two teams on top of UCLA and USC from CA. He never explains how the networks and BIG can justify the additions without showing where exactly the additional eyeballs and money will be coming from. Only those asleep at the wheel did not realize BIG would add Oregon and UW from the get-go when it added USC and UCLA. Noticed how fast the BIG added Oregon and UW once the four corner schools left for the BIG12? BIG had everything planned way ahead. It just did not want to risk getting sued by the PAC for tortious interference. If it were all about academics, the BIG would have added Stanford, UCLA, USC, and Cal in that order, not USC, UCLA, Oregon, and UW. BIG wanted the L.A. and CA market and they have it now. Let's ignore for the moment that no one in CA cares much about college sports. So how will FOX, NBC, and CBS find the extra $140MM for Stanford and Cal in a few years? Lastly, Stanford funds tons and tons of non-revenue sports that no other school in this country currently does or will ever bother to do. So BIG, solely for being greedy just for greedy sake and being hubristic, will gladly add Stanford because of its superior academics and its success with non-revenue sports that almost no one really cares at all? And don't get me started with Cal. The math and eyeballs are not there, so I don't get this Depressed Ginger's logic, or the complete lack thereof, at all. It's obvious that he loves some BIG hurbis.
@@knutthompson7879 Totally agreed. If I want both academics and sports, I will consider USC. If I just want academics, I will be super happy to go to Stanford or Cal. And I care less which conference they are in. As far as football is concerned, Cal is the joke of all jokes. 🙂
As a Stanford fan, we’ve just Been through years of misery. We haven’t had a good season since 2018, although we really broke during down after cmc left , our recruiting is crap because we care more about grades which tarnishes our chances of getting top prospects. I still watch my team every week, but in disappointment that we are never good. It’s like watching the panthers every week, but we’ve been doing it since 2018
Stanford didn't turn down the Big 12. The Big 12 NEVER OFFERED Stanford membership to the Big 12 Conference so there was no offer for Stanford to turn down. The Big 12 doesn't think its conference is a good fit for Stanford or Cal so I don't think an invite would ever be offered to begin with.
Cal can't join the big xii. They are honoring that stupid little Bill in cali. They can't travel to any of the current big xii states using money from the state of California.
Makes sense to me. The BIG12 has never had academic branding nor really top-level non-revenue sports by comparison. Never had that elite private member either. Just no mutual interest.
I have read from a few sources that Stanford turned down the Big12, but I agree it seems unlikely there was even serious discussions let alone an offer on the table.
@@knutthompson7879 Stanford will never, ever want to be associated with all the rednecks, cowboys, country bumpkins, and Baptists from the middle of this country. They think they are so much better and so much more sophisticated than everyone else. Wait, how exactly is Stanford different from all the former PAC member schools? Keep your ego and pride; just be prepared to lose your own conference. BTW, I am not a BIG12+4 fan. I am just pointing out the obvious. 🙂
Stanford and Cal bring no football value or media deal money to any conference, let alone does the B1G even need them to split the pie up and also adding another conference game.The ACC and B1G want some schools who add that football value which Stanford and Cal do not offer.
Personally, I like the PAC West theory. IMO that's actually the best fit for Stanford, WAZZU, Oregon State, and Cal. None of those schools have ever truly been big power houses in football. And honestly, I think geographically it matches. Somebody has to stay regional. And I honestly think it would be fun to watch.
If the PACifist 12 and MWC were to merge, the "PAC West" name wouldn't work since there's already a D2 conference in California/Hawaii which already uses that name. But, with that said, if there's a merger, they'd have to keep the MWC name over the PACifist 12 name considering how badly Larry Scott and George Kliavkoff (and to a lesser extent, the school's presidents) have tarnished the PACifist 12 branding. Whether or not the merged P12/MWC conference retains Power Five status would ultimately depend on how the NCAA sees it.
The uni presidents is why this b1g fan doesn't want the west uni teams. The presidents hired the conference leadership and the conference was ripped apart like a planet being ripped apart by a black hole. Why should those presidents get a new chance to do the same to the b1g?
Honestly, because of travel, MWC makes a lot of sense for Stanford and Cal short term. Stanford could straight up pull a ND - join the MWC except for football, which it would remain independent in. If the MWC says no deal, then they can ask the Big West or the WCC. I think they pretty much have to join *someone* for basketball, to qualify for March Madness (even though they aren't going anyway, not any time soon), but for other sports it really doesn't matter that much, they just need someone to compete with, to qualify for national tourneys. For most sports you'd honestly rather travel to San Jose State or Santa Clara than to Maryland or Nebraska.
If Stanford/Cal has a chance to go to the big 10 I would be happy. I got a feeling they we will go independent like Notre Dame with there NBC contract. I wouldn't mind if Apple TV mad a deal only with Stanford/CAL it would make sense.
@@chicagobears-ov1fb California would be opened to be with the MWC on a short term basis if the Big 10 invites them since the MWC's commish is a grad student alumni of University of California's law schools, plus she worked in the athletics department's legal department and would know how to handle the needs of both schools. There is an interview with her on the Broncho's Nation, and she is targeting the merger with the PAC 4 to keep all the credits of both conferences into one. She then talked about targeting with AAC schools like SMU, UTSA, Rice, Tulane, Memphis, Gonzaga and St. Mary's.
I would continue with the Pac 10...with the 4 remaining schools. And 6 additional schools that are also WEST Coast teams: Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNReno, UNLV and San Jose State. That would be a Traditional West coast conference! Less travel, more rivalry games.
Yeah, they were the #2 ranked FCS team at one point last season. AND they not only beat Colorado State last season - they TRUCKED them to the tune of 41-10. So don't sleep on the Hornets, who will at MINIMUM make it a game against Stanford. Don't be surprised if they win.
@@seand1011 Agreed. It’s probably getting close for them and North Dakota State to go FBS. The CFL has a lot of those FCS players. There’s talent there.
Great comment about this all revolving around football. While the football teams playing once a week can deal with the travel schedule, it really hurts the smaller sports. Not even considering the money aspect of it, how can the baseball, softball, and other sports deal with a conference that is all over the country? They don't just play one game on the weekend or an occasional week night.
I might have missed something, but I don't recall there being too much interest from the Big 12 in inviting Stanford to join, save for the "requisite due diligence" from the league's side. The Big 12 seems content with adding the Four Corner Schools from the PACifist 12 and leaving it at that.
The B1G needs to send Nebraska back to the Big 12 so they can add Standford and Cal. This will help Notre Dame make the decision to join the B1G. Nebraska lost its AAU status. Nebraska needs more academic standing to be in the B1G, and there is no commitment.
I do wonder if conferences are now regretting earlier additions. Like the SEC would probably be happy to drop Missouri for FSU or Clemson (or can they go all the way back and get rid of Vanderbilt?). The Big10 really would at this point rather have Cal and Stanford than Rutgers and Nebraska. The Big12 added Cincinnati and UCF sort of in desperation and now no longer need them.
The B1G is like a mafia family Nobody ever truly gets out. The university of Chicago stopped playing football in 1946. They are still associate members of the B1G. Once the door is open to kicking schools out everyone who isn’t elite is at risk of getting thrown out by PAC and ACC refugees. That’s too much research money at risk of being lost over the sport of football which could be banned in another 30 to 40 years
I'm one of those who has believed that adding STANFORD & NOTRE DAME to the Big 10 would cap an extraordinary set of additions to that conference. [NOTE: I'm a modestly knowledgable college football fan, but there are likely many other commenters who have read these remarks whose expertise exceeds mine.] The addition of Stanford & Notre Dame would provide an additional storied rivalry (Stanford vs ND) plus allow Stanford to continue its rivalries with UCLA, USC, UWashington & UOregon. This would also allow continuing potentially great rivalries with UMichigan, Ohio State & (prospectively) Northwestern, another academically superior private university. I'd be very much interested in the opinions (both positive & negative) of others who have either a positive or negative assessment of this potential addition to the Big 10. Thanks!!
Thanks for the update on Stanford! I'll be starting college there this month, and I'm just hoping to watch some good college football while I'm there 😭
I am so sick of the big10 related talking point, "we are bringing this school on for academics" or "we wont join this conference due to academics." It's laughable. Everything has been thrown out the window. We are talking about the realignment of a sports conference. The athletes hardly make it to classes for the most part. School is basically a formality. Stop with the academics b.s. big10. This is all and only about $$
Stanford is not D1 football. The academics hate football. That is why they cancelled a season on a whiff of covid. It's over. Everyone knows they don't give a rip.
Football takes a back seat to education--I got my MBA at Stanford and made $600,000 average for 27 years with JPMorgan & Co. I was on a Tennis scholarship and grew up 1 mile from the campus in Portola Valley--now 12% of the student body is in some athletic program--Money is the corruption of all that is wrong with education today--Not Sports; a degree there is a sure bet to a great career--Football is not--GO INDEPENDENT; to the EAST I say: Let them eat cake--cake eaters! or are they straw eaters--oh that's the South--well easy error.
Big 12 said they will not add anymore schools, and the ACC have the votes to have them. As for the MWC commish? The PAC 4 merging with the MWC would be the best option and less messy. Fresno State, San Diego State, Air Force and Boise State are P5 schools stuck in the MWC. Gloria Nevarez said she will also target SMU, Memphis, Tulane, maybe a UTSA, Rice, Gonzaga and St. Mary's as well. This would bring in more schools for the California and Stanford. Gloria used to work at University of California, and graduated there from the law school. She would be replacing GK. She could also be working on a new tv deal, because both ESPN and Fox don't think both Stanford and California are valuable teams to add. Plus, The Big 10 is watching to the east at the ACC first. Here is Gloria's interview who she is the MWC's commish. She just refuted Dennis Dodd's and other media writers on the topic of the merger with the 2 conferences are dead. ruclips.net/video/SUvYmQ9G3e8/видео.html
I attended my first Stanford game in 2010. It was on my 18th visit to the farm, 8 years later, that I finally saw them lose a game there. Prior to seeing loss #1 I had been on hand to watch them beat Washington 4 times, Notre Dame twice, both Arizona schools, and Oregon. Lots of storming the field. I watched Andrew Luck, Christian McCaffrey, Bryce Love, Ty Montgomery, and Zach Ertz. The team won three conference titles in that span and went 3-1 in BCS/NY6 bowls. From 2010 to PRESENT they've had 108 wins to UCLA's 84, Washington's 84, and USC's 106.
What’s best for the PAC4 is to become at least the PAC10 again. The San Diego St. idea to raid the MWC and AAC was the best idea. Make that work!! Pay for it!! No other plan comes close! Add San Diego St, Fresno St, Boise St, SMU, Memphis, Tulane. Don’t take any teams way past the Mississippi River. Others to consider, Colorado St and Air Force. If i hear “MUR-JUR” one more time, I’m gonna puke!
What happens now? Stanford continues to innovate--think the Internet here; without Stanford we'd still be using analog phone lines--while the "Farm" focuses on a life after football that is very lucrative. the rest can eat beans and cornbread.
The best bet is for the remaining PAC 4 to merge with the Mountain West and keep the PAC 12 name. The only question is, should George K run the conference or should the Mountain West commissioner be in charge?
Perfect example of how book smarts and common sense are mutually exclusive. Can't tell you how many people I have met with impressive academic credentials who struggle to perform basic tasks that my young kids can do. As for George K running a merger with the MWC? I don't think any MWC team would or should go for that. Even Craig Thompson was a genius compared to the last 2 PAC 12 commissioners and that isn't saying much.
In discussing the addition of Stanford and Cal ACC ADs and Presidents determined it wasn't worth it. ND pushed for it, ironically while they continue to express no interest in joining themself! At least 5 schools, probably more were clear they were not interested, NCSU, FSU, UNC-CH, Clemson and Miami for sure.
Seems the MWC would be a better fit. Stanford will never be a big TV draw as an independent. They would be a perennial doormat in the B1G. The MWC would mean less conference money but it would be more than the PAC? will provide, the travel will be easier and probably be more competitive in the money sports. If they don't want to play the NIL game, they might as well go with an easier conference.
"They would be a perennial doormat in the B1G". People sure read a lot into the last 5 years. From 2010 to present, Stanford has 108 wins. USC has 106. Michigan has 112. Stanford is in a rough spell now but they are fully capable of being a competitive program in any conference.
Stanford can actually be the only high ground school here and take a year or two to let the dust settle on this crass craziness. They academically compete with the Ivy league that still stays rich despite no major TV contract. This is not a football factory but a science and technolgy startup think tank. Liberal, socialist higher education selling their souls and did we forget the fragile environment that gets worse with forced coast to coast travel. Count me out. Thanks, great video...
I'm not saying youre wrong, and I think standing against realignment is the high ground. But fanbases of many many teams have touted academic integrity when they feel theyre getting burned by this realignment crisis.
I think UND would join the Big 10 if they were a full member and could still play USC and Stanford every year. Cal would be the odd duck out, then they would have 5 west coast schools and Nebraska to make travel more simplistic
So my daughter swam at San Diego state, she swam against cal every year, SDSU is a rip 15 swim team , she was ranked top 8 in the US and she chose sdsu for the travel and it allowed her to graduate in 4 years
Why does everyone ignore that ND is contractually OBLIGATED to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference? Unless the ACC dissolves or ND sues to get out of the contract (that will be a 9 figure shot in the shorts for ND), they're ACC bound conference wise.
I think you're confusing ND's obligations to the ACC when it comes to their Olympic sports and not its football team. I haven't looked too deeply into it, so I could be wrong, but ND football remains independent and go to any conference it wants to without any contractual concerns to ACC.
It won't be a "9 figure shot in the shorts" and that is the difference. Since ND football is independent their AAC GOR and buyout is much smaller than a full member.
@@BigBadBrassBawls The contract stipulates that ND football (while being independent) will give preference to scheduling ACC teams. In the event that ND decides to join a conference, they are obligated to join the ACC.
@@dgart7434 You may be right on that. However, we are talking an existential crisis for the ACC. They will try and force NDs hand. ND is too big a brand and too valuable to just let them walk away on the cheap. The prestige of ND joining the ACC would instantly save the conference, in my opinion. FSU and Clemson would probably pipe down and play ball and allow the ACC to poach what best schools are left of the G5 to keep pace with the Big 12, 10, and SEC.
Stanford isn't getting a Big Ten offer. Not a chance. The Big Ten is going to end up doing 4somes, and they have their 4 in the west. The Big Ten is going East next. Their #1 target is Notre Dame but #2 is North Carolina and it's not even close after #1 & #2 and the rest of the available teams. The Tarheels will be the next team the Big Ten focuses on heavily.
California has home crowds of 6000 ppl sometimes. Why add them. These two schools have been spending their football and basketball money on other things.
Stanford + ND = 20 Teams with 4 pods of 5. West - all from PAC12. Each pod plays a different pod each year. 4-team conference playoff with winners of each pod, but winners are matched up with the winner of a pod they didn't play in the regular season (to avoid rematches). 2030 B1G replaces underperforming/low value schools with ACC schools, if they can get out of their deal. Afterall you don't need 3 schools in Indiana.
Power five status is dependent on how much money you make. If they could get a tv deal that paid 15-20 million per school, because of the 4 pac teams and the best of the MW, then add NCAA tourney units and CFP money, how would they not then be power 5? Plus, the current CFP deal would owe the PAC 12 one 6th of the CFP deal
The logical thing seems to be for Notre Dame and Stanford to join the Big 10 together. They can have one of the protected rivalry games assuming that stays a thing. I imagine Notre Dame vs USC would be another. Notre Dame's tv deal expires after 2024 and how that all plays out is going to determine a lot. NBC is already part of the deal for the Big 10. The logical fit for Notre Dame has always felt like the Big 10 but they seem to fight it tooth and nail. I think if they join a conference it is going to be the ACC. From what I gather they are trying to push the ACC to accept Stanford and Cal. I'm not sure why ND even cares about Cal but apparently they do. Notre Dame to the ACC for football would obviously be a HUGE win for the ACC. It would be great for the Big 10 too but doesn't feel as important.
Just out of curiosity, Mr s, why do you suspect that ND resists being added to the Big 10 when they are smack dab in the middle of the Big 10's geography & have had storied rivalries against Big 10 opponents such as Michigan State (which may have occurred before you were born)? For someone who's a Big 10 fan (i.e., Yours Truly) I'm confounded why the decision-makers at ND would say to themselves, "Why would we want to ally ourselves with historic (& locally relevant) opponents such as Indiana U, Michigan State, UMichigan & Ohio State U when we can travel hundreds of miles to face obscure irrelevant opponents such as Pittsburgh, Boston College, Virginia Tech, FSU, Wake Forest and Austin Community College?" However, possibly you know something that I don't know!
No disrespect but you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to recruiting. Stanford has the second best recruiting class in the Pac 12 for the 2024 recruiting class. Troy Taylor is a winner, and in three years Stanford‘s gonna be one of the better teams in the country.. don’t forget it wasn’t that long ago when teams feared the 🌲
I don't thnk the B1G is deliberately moving in stages. There's no reason to. It makes more sense to make your moves all at once then sign your media deal and wait for the next renewal. They were meh on UW and UO. There was zero reason to wait a year on them if they really wanted them. After the Apple deal was presented, UW and UO had to leave. They couldn't afford to be lost behind a paywall. The most likely option was the Big 12. Well, that allows the Big 12 and ESPN to compete for viewers in the Pacific window. Reluctantly, I think they took UW and UO to head off ESPN on the west coast. If they really wanted UW and UO this whole time, why not take them when they took USC and UCLA? Why not build in escalators in your media deal if you wanted to wait a year? They did neither. It was a rather lackluster, reactionary move. Not as poor as adding Maryland and Rutgers (Jesus!) but up there. They've still got a shrinking population problem that they are addressing in the most round about way possible.
Totally agree. UO and UW were not going anywhere. The BIG10 was only mildly interested, happy with what they had. After the PAC12 media deal, I suspect UO and UW immediately called the BIG10 and begged for a lifeline. At that point the BIG10 was heading off the Big12 as much as improving their situation.
The B1G was “meh” on UO and UW being brought in with USC/UCLA because they would have expected full shares like the LA schools which would have cut into the share size for each current school. When the PAC collapsed The B1G saw UO and UW could be had at reduced shares and Fox was willing to keep everyone whole by adding money since they wanted more brands in the B1G. The B1G would have been happy to wait 2 years while integrating USC/ UCLA into the scheduling. But Fox saw an opportunity to keep ESPN out of the west coast market by keeping UO/ UW out of the Big 12 or a surviving PAC
Someone posted or blogged that the Power 5 teams should go get together and leave the NCAA for football only, get their own TV contract and work from there. Put the rest of the sports back in their regional conferences and have some kind of performance setup like European Soccer where the bottom teams get booted for the top of the lower group every year.
Problem is if they do that they will get sued into oblivion for violating federal anti-trust laws. This has happened to the NCAA, but the NCAA was able to denouce the fines due to claiming it provided equal competition between all programs and all programs were amateur. Seperating from the NCAA, signing your own media deals and preventing other teams from joining will lead to lawsuits.
@@MattLindon-wv8jy If it happens, they will have the ca$h to beat the nzaa. The NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL don't have anti-trust issues, I don't think that would hold water.
Notre Dame is the lynchpin. I think Stanford definitely and probably Cal, too, go where Notre Dame goes. ND can save the ACC by joining in football (Stanford and Cal tagging along). Or ND could destroy the ACC by joining the Big10 (Stanford and Cal tagging along). Or ND stands pat and we are stuck in this strange limbo (this is most likely for the time being). ND is probably the one school that can pull off independence long term, and seems content to do so (Stanford could probably be independent for a few years in a pinch). Florida State however seems none too eager to sit around waiting for ND. That situation might be messy.
these west coast schools why even have a football program in the first place if nobody will watch it???🤷 in California they care about academics not sports🤦
I'm all for a Pac-whatever re-alignment. Make it a purely western league. As some have suggested, team up with Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNReno, UNLV and San Jose State. With regional matchups like these, people would actually GO to the games. Boise and Fresno are both just as good as Cal and Stanford now. It could provide a much needed boost in revenue to the lesser schools, and, let's face it, Cal and Stanford don't need the money. They may not be invited to the BCS, but, if it was up to me, I wouldn't go if they asked me. The BCS is what KILLED college football, and there's no reason to even further dilute regional rivalry and tradition any more than it has been. If you can't beat 'em, f*ck 'em!
They go independent, they can schedule their former Pac-12 members because they are not the threat to these teams and there will be two non conference games available to each team. They will be following whatever Notre Dame does, that is the team Notre Dame is closely related to. The Big 10 doesn't want Cal. They really want Stanford because of their great non revenue teams and that is where their conference will gain in prestige. Stanford is picking up on recruits, so they can stay independent for a long time. They even have much more money than Notre Dame. There is a possibility that if their new coach can get excitement into that program, they may get a helping hand from Notre Dame to get some contract offer from NBC in the future. Stanford could bring money from endowments from many of their olympic graduates, but that only helps Stanford, not the conference. They are such a unique school, they should stay independent. The basketball team could schedule any west coast team as an independent, and try to win enough games to get into the NIT or maybe the big tourny itself, but they should remain an independent. Most colleges in America earn anywhere from a few hundred thousand to upwards of 100 million dollars a year, and a lot of that income comes from football, which is why they chase the dollars. Stanford earns 725 million dollars a year and that is not including football
No, but they do make $1.5 billion a year on their athletic programs because of their olympic sport dominance in the NCAA's so they don't have to focus on football. However, because football now drives conference alignment, they will have to pay attention to it now if they want to stay relevant in the sport on the DI level @@CTback
Why couldn’t the B1G and Stanford go ahead and announce now while Stanford waits the two years? Texas and OU did. I’m not sold on your idea that Stanford is going to the B1G. Maybe but not looking good, otherwise Stanford wouldn’t be out trying to jump somewhere.
@lenardbrown390 Has a great idea, B1G trades Nebraska back to the Big XII takes Stanford, Cal and ND. Big XII takes Oregon St. and Wazzu. I can't imagine Stanford and Cal go ACC.
Why would Nebraska ever vote to make less money in the Big 12? Why would any B1G school not named Michigan Ohio State or Penn State ever support a system where they could be kicked out of a research alliance where football money is peanuts in comparison? Sure Indiana Rutgers and Northwest would get chopped first. But once that door is open, everyone that is not an elite program is at risk of having PAC and ACC refugees vote them out of their own conference that is academic in nature first and athletic second.
If the CFP keeps the six auto bids for 2024-25, this doesn't sound so bad as a short-term arrangement. Especially since everyone's out-of-conference schedules are already filled up, so an "independent" schedule for the next two years would basically just be a Mountain West schedule anyway. Longer-term, there's no way Stanford can stay in the same conference with the minor league team right in their backyard (SJSU).
College football had a leg on NFL with tradition and excitement… and then just completely blew it up thanks to greed.
i dont even know what college football is anymore.
@@Iam123-i5j It’s a bunch of money and NIL deals.
Welcome to America. As soon as we find a way to monetize something, we make a buck on it until we destroy then move on until there's nothing else to consume.
@@Iam123-i5j Yes it is basically an NFL minor league using colleges for their branding. This isn't sustainable.
All other major sports leagues see lack of parity as a bad thing, and they take steps to avoid it. FBS College football is the only sport that seems hell-bent on consolidating as much power as possible to the fewest schools/conferences as possible, while telling the rest that they can go eff themselves.
No offense, but even their fan base doesn’t care about their team. Them and Cal offer zero football credibility. And their to stuck up
Hey, I went to Stanford and ... OK, yeah, you're mostly right. Stanford is not a football move, obviously. It does offer a lot for a conference to brag about in terms of academics and non revenue sports, but it isn't going to move the needle in a football media deal. Cal is, if anything, worse in that regard.
This Depressed Ginger guy keeps pumping the BIG propaganda. I have a good feeling he is a BIG guy. You noticed he will tell you all the reasons in the world why Stanford and Cal joining the ACC makes zero sense because the two teams don't add any value to the ACC, while on the other hand, it makes perfect sense for BIG to add the two teams on top of UCLA and USC from CA. He never explains how the networks and BIG can justify the additions without showing where exactly the additional eyeballs and money will be coming from.
Only those asleep at the wheel did not realize BIG would add Oregon and UW from the get-go when it added USC and UCLA. Noticed how fast the BIG added Oregon and UW once the four corner schools left for the BIG12? BIG had everything planned way ahead. It just did not want to risk getting sued by the PAC for tortious interference.
If it were all about academics, the BIG would have added Stanford, UCLA, USC, and Cal in that order, not USC, UCLA, Oregon, and UW. BIG wanted the L.A. and CA market and they have it now. Let's ignore for the moment that no one in CA cares much about college sports. So how will FOX, NBC, and CBS find the extra $140MM for Stanford and Cal in a few years?
Lastly, Stanford funds tons and tons of non-revenue sports that no other school in this country currently does or will ever bother to do. So BIG, solely for being greedy just for greedy sake and being hubristic, will gladly add Stanford because of its superior academics and its success with non-revenue sports that almost no one really cares at all?
And don't get me started with Cal.
The math and eyeballs are not there, so I don't get this Depressed Ginger's logic, or the complete lack thereof, at all.
It's obvious that he loves some BIG hurbis.
@@knutthompson7879 Totally agreed.
If I want both academics and sports, I will consider USC.
If I just want academics, I will be super happy to go to Stanford or Cal. And I care less which conference they are in.
As far as football is concerned, Cal is the joke of all jokes. 🙂
@@menemenetekelupharsin3007 yeah I think he lives in Ohio
As a Stanford fan, we’ve just Been through years of misery. We haven’t had a good season since 2018, although we really broke during down after cmc left , our recruiting is crap because we care more about grades which tarnishes our chances of getting top prospects. I still watch my team every week, but in disappointment that we are never good. It’s like watching the panthers every week, but we’ve been doing it since 2018
Stanford didn't turn down the Big 12. The Big 12 NEVER OFFERED Stanford membership to the Big 12 Conference so there was no offer for Stanford to turn down. The Big 12 doesn't think its conference is a good fit for Stanford or Cal so I don't think an invite would ever be offered to begin with.
Stanford and Cal are too good for the Big XII, at least that's what they'll tell everybody. LOL I really doubt the Big XII would have offered them.
Cal can't join the big xii. They are honoring that stupid little Bill in cali. They can't travel to any of the current big xii states using money from the state of California.
Makes sense to me. The BIG12 has never had academic branding nor really top-level non-revenue sports by comparison. Never had that elite private member either. Just no mutual interest.
I have read from a few sources that Stanford turned down the Big12, but I agree it seems unlikely there was even serious discussions let alone an offer on the table.
@@knutthompson7879 Stanford will never, ever want to be associated with all the rednecks, cowboys, country bumpkins, and Baptists from the middle of this country. They think they are so much better and so much more sophisticated than everyone else. Wait, how exactly is Stanford different from all the former PAC member schools? Keep your ego and pride; just be prepared to lose your own conference.
BTW, I am not a BIG12+4 fan. I am just pointing out the obvious. 🙂
Stanford and Cal bring no football value or media deal money to any conference, let alone does the B1G even need them to split the pie up and also adding another conference game.The ACC and B1G want some schools who add that football value which Stanford and Cal do not offer.
Personally, I like the PAC West theory. IMO that's actually the best fit for Stanford, WAZZU, Oregon State, and Cal. None of those schools have ever truly been big power houses in football. And honestly, I think geographically it matches. Somebody has to stay regional. And I honestly think it would be fun to watch.
If the PACifist 12 and MWC were to merge, the "PAC West" name wouldn't work since there's already a D2 conference in California/Hawaii which already uses that name. But, with that said, if there's a merger, they'd have to keep the MWC name over the PACifist 12 name considering how badly Larry Scott and George Kliavkoff (and to a lesser extent, the school's presidents) have tarnished the PACifist 12 branding. Whether or not the merged P12/MWC conference retains Power Five status would ultimately depend on how the NCAA sees it.
The uni presidents is why this b1g fan doesn't want the west uni teams. The presidents hired the conference leadership and the conference was ripped apart like a planet being ripped apart by a black hole. Why should those presidents get a new chance to do the same to the b1g?
Honestly, because of travel, MWC makes a lot of sense for Stanford and Cal short term. Stanford could straight up pull a ND - join the MWC except for football, which it would remain independent in. If the MWC says no deal, then they can ask the Big West or the WCC. I think they pretty much have to join *someone* for basketball, to qualify for March Madness (even though they aren't going anyway, not any time soon), but for other sports it really doesn't matter that much, they just need someone to compete with, to qualify for national tourneys. For most sports you'd honestly rather travel to San Jose State or Santa Clara than to Maryland or Nebraska.
If Stanford/Cal has a chance to go to the big 10 I would be happy. I got a feeling they we will go independent like Notre Dame with there NBC contract. I wouldn't mind if Apple TV mad a deal only with Stanford/CAL it would make sense.
@@chicagobears-ov1fb California would be opened to be with the MWC on a short term basis if the Big 10 invites them since the MWC's commish is a grad student alumni of University of California's law schools, plus she worked in the athletics department's legal department and would know how to handle the needs of both schools. There is an interview with her on the Broncho's Nation, and she is targeting the merger with the PAC 4 to keep all the credits of both conferences into one. She then talked about targeting with AAC schools like SMU, UTSA, Rice, Tulane, Memphis, Gonzaga and St. Mary's.
It makes considerably more sense for Stanford to join the MWC in football, and then allow all of its other sports to play regional teams.
How about Stanford join the IVY League.
I’m amazed that this isn’t in the reports.
@@jansonroberts2616: Big time!
Travel issues would be even worse than joining the ACC.
I would continue with the Pac 10...with the 4 remaining schools. And 6 additional schools that are also WEST Coast teams: Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNReno, UNLV and San Jose State. That would be a Traditional West coast conference! Less travel, more rivalry games.
They would never get a TV deal and the minimum departure fee for the MW teams is $17m.
@@chicagobears-ov1fb Not sure the Mountain West participates in Stanfords key sports, like fox hunting.
I believe that Sacramento State beats them.
Yeah, they were the #2 ranked FCS team at one point last season. AND they not only beat Colorado State last season - they TRUCKED them to the tune of 41-10. So don't sleep on the Hornets, who will at MINIMUM make it a game against Stanford. Don't be surprised if they win.
@@seand1011 Agreed. It’s probably getting close for them and North Dakota State to go FBS. The CFL has a lot of those FCS players. There’s talent there.
Great comment about this all revolving around football. While the football teams playing once a week can deal with the travel schedule, it really hurts the smaller sports. Not even considering the money aspect of it, how can the baseball, softball, and other sports deal with a conference that is all over the country? They don't just play one game on the weekend or an occasional week night.
Due to their never-ending arrogance, I hope Stanford is relegated to MWC for years.
I might have missed something, but I don't recall there being too much interest from the Big 12 in inviting Stanford to join, save for the "requisite due diligence" from the league's side. The Big 12 seems content with adding the Four Corner Schools from the PACifist 12 and leaving it at that.
Because the Big XII knows they do not move the needle in football or basketball.
@@ccampau Exactly. I think it was still the standard due diligence by the B12 before saying "Nah, we're good."
They’ll be part of the Big 10.
We keep pushing forward.
The B1G needs to send Nebraska back to the Big 12 so they can add Standford and Cal. This will help Notre Dame make the decision to join the B1G. Nebraska lost its AAU status. Nebraska needs more academic standing to be in the B1G, and there is no commitment.
I do wonder if conferences are now regretting earlier additions. Like the SEC would probably be happy to drop Missouri for FSU or Clemson (or can they go all the way back and get rid of Vanderbilt?). The Big10 really would at this point rather have Cal and Stanford than Rutgers and Nebraska. The Big12 added Cincinnati and UCF sort of in desperation and now no longer need them.
The B1G is like a mafia family
Nobody ever truly gets out.
The university of Chicago stopped playing football in 1946. They are still associate members of the B1G.
Once the door is open to kicking schools out everyone who isn’t elite is at risk of getting thrown out by PAC and ACC refugees.
That’s too much research money
at risk of being lost over the sport of football which could be banned
in another 30 to 40 years
Nebraska only lost it's AAU status because its Medical School is in Omaha, not Norman. It's still a major research school.
Yep go ahead and kickout the 5th most revenue bringing school for conference and the 15th most revenue in CFB.
@@redlegion19 Don’t be so sensitive
I'm one of those who has believed that adding STANFORD & NOTRE DAME to the Big 10 would cap an extraordinary set of additions to that conference. [NOTE: I'm a modestly knowledgable college football fan, but there are likely many other commenters who have read these remarks whose expertise exceeds mine.]
The addition of Stanford & Notre Dame would provide an additional storied rivalry (Stanford vs ND) plus allow Stanford to continue its rivalries with UCLA, USC, UWashington & UOregon. This would also allow continuing potentially great rivalries with UMichigan, Ohio State & (prospectively) Northwestern, another academically superior private university.
I'd be very much interested in the opinions (both positive & negative) of others who have either a positive or negative assessment of this potential addition to the Big 10. Thanks!!
Thanks for the update on Stanford! I'll be starting college there this month, and I'm just hoping to watch some good college football while I'm there 😭
I am so sick of the big10 related talking point, "we are bringing this school on for academics" or "we wont join this conference due to academics." It's laughable. Everything has been thrown out the window.
We are talking about the realignment of a sports conference. The athletes hardly make it to classes for the most part. School is basically a formality. Stop with the academics b.s. big10. This is all and only about $$
Stanford is not D1 football. The academics hate football. That is why they cancelled a season on a whiff of covid. It's over. Everyone knows they don't give a rip.
The B1G will go to 20 teams. Waiting to see what Florida St. Will do.
FSU would much rather join the SEC.
Football takes a back seat to education--I got my MBA at Stanford and made $600,000 average for 27 years with JPMorgan & Co. I was on a Tennis scholarship and grew up 1 mile from the campus in Portola Valley--now 12% of the student body is in some athletic program--Money is the corruption of all that is wrong with education today--Not Sports; a degree there is a sure bet to a great career--Football is not--GO INDEPENDENT; to the EAST I say: Let them eat cake--cake eaters! or are they straw eaters--oh that's the South--well easy error.
Big 12 said they will not add anymore schools, and the ACC have the votes to have them. As for the MWC commish? The PAC 4 merging with the MWC would be the best option and less messy. Fresno State, San Diego State, Air Force and Boise State are P5 schools stuck in the MWC. Gloria Nevarez said she will also target SMU, Memphis, Tulane, maybe a UTSA, Rice, Gonzaga and St. Mary's as well. This would bring in more schools for the California and Stanford. Gloria used to work at University of California, and graduated there from the law school. She would be replacing GK. She could also be working on a new tv deal, because both ESPN and Fox don't think both Stanford and California are valuable teams to add. Plus, The Big 10 is watching to the east at the ACC first. Here is Gloria's interview who she is the MWC's commish. She just refuted Dennis Dodd's and other media writers on the topic of the merger with the 2 conferences are dead. ruclips.net/video/SUvYmQ9G3e8/видео.html
I attended my first Stanford game in 2010. It was on my 18th visit to the farm, 8 years later, that I finally saw them lose a game there.
Prior to seeing loss #1 I had been on hand to watch them beat Washington 4 times, Notre Dame twice, both Arizona schools, and Oregon. Lots of storming the field. I watched Andrew Luck, Christian McCaffrey, Bryce Love, Ty Montgomery, and Zach Ertz. The team won three conference titles in that span and went 3-1 in BCS/NY6 bowls.
From 2010 to PRESENT they've had 108 wins to UCLA's 84, Washington's 84, and USC's 106.
What’s best for the PAC4 is to become at least the PAC10 again. The San Diego St. idea to raid the MWC and AAC was the best idea. Make that work!! Pay for it!! No other plan comes close! Add San Diego St, Fresno St, Boise St, SMU, Memphis, Tulane. Don’t take any teams way past the Mississippi River. Others to consider, Colorado St and Air Force. If i hear “MUR-JUR” one more time, I’m gonna puke!
I'm for it. But no Kliavkoff as commish, and no Apple TV as broadcast partner. Otherwise, better to just join the MW.
They should go Football & Baseball only in ACC, B12 or B10 & then MWC in everything else.
They should go independent and join a partnership with Notre Dame, and they can go to the Big ten when ND does
See you in the Big in 24 or 25.
"Probably a loss"... "Probably a loss".. "That's probably a loss"...
I don't think the Big 12 ever wanted them
What happens now? Stanford continues to innovate--think the Internet here; without Stanford we'd still be using analog phone lines--while the "Farm" focuses on a life after football that is very lucrative. the rest can eat beans and cornbread.
Stanford and the Left Coast could care less about football, so why should we care about what happens to them? Goodl riddance
The best bet is for the remaining PAC 4 to merge with the Mountain West and keep the PAC 12 name. The only question is, should George K run the conference or should the Mountain West commissioner be in charge?
Well Kliavkoff has done such a great job with the PAC, who wouldn't want him to stay in charge? #sarcasm
@@knutthompson7879 To be fair, George K inherited a huge mess left behind by Larry Scott.
@@Patrick-sg7cm I don't completely give him a pass, but he was given the controls of a sinking ship, it is true.
@@knutthompson7879 Larry Scott ran the PAC 12 into an iceberg. Even a guy like Brett Yormark wouldn't have been able to save the conference.
Perfect example of how book smarts and common sense are mutually exclusive. Can't tell you how many people I have met with impressive academic credentials who struggle to perform basic tasks that my young kids can do. As for George K running a merger with the MWC? I don't think any MWC team would or should go for that. Even Craig Thompson was a genius compared to the last 2 PAC 12 commissioners and that isn't saying much.
B1G is a 'real' football conference I guess. They prefer academic cachet and lousy football over a perennial top 15 Utah team 😅
And yet they turned down Missouri...
In discussing the addition of Stanford and Cal ACC ADs and Presidents determined it wasn't worth it. ND pushed for it, ironically while they continue to express no interest in joining themself! At least 5 schools, probably more were clear they were not interested, NCSU, FSU, UNC-CH, Clemson and Miami for sure.
They have PLENTY of money and brains. They didn't see this coming? They got themselves into this. Let them figure it out.
I think they are going to try to have a similar deal as ND. Independence with a scheduling agreement with another conference.
Seems the MWC would be a better fit. Stanford will never be a big TV draw as an independent. They would be a perennial doormat in the B1G. The MWC would mean less conference money but it would be more than the PAC? will provide, the travel will be easier and probably be more competitive in the money sports. If they don't want to play the NIL game, they might as well go with an easier conference.
"They would be a perennial doormat in the B1G". People sure read a lot into the last 5 years. From 2010 to present, Stanford has 108 wins. USC has 106. Michigan has 112. Stanford is in a rough spell now but they are fully capable of being a competitive program in any conference.
Stanford can actually be the only high ground school here and take a year or two to let the dust settle on this crass craziness. They academically compete with the Ivy league that still stays rich despite no major TV contract. This is not a football factory but a science and technolgy startup think tank. Liberal, socialist higher education selling their souls and did we forget the fragile environment that gets worse with forced coast to coast travel. Count me out. Thanks, great video...
I'm not saying youre wrong, and I think standing against realignment is the high ground. But fanbases of many many teams have touted academic integrity when they feel theyre getting burned by this realignment crisis.
I think UND would join the Big 10 if they were a full member and could still play USC and Stanford every year. Cal would be the odd duck out, then they would have 5 west coast schools and Nebraska to make travel more simplistic
So my daughter swam at San Diego state, she swam against cal every year, SDSU is a rip 15 swim team , she was ranked top 8 in the US and she chose sdsu for the travel and it allowed her to graduate in 4 years
They have an awesome fox hunting team. Elite.
The Big 12 says they don't have any money left so I don't think an offer was made.
Stanford gonna build some AI robots and beat everybody.
Stanford & Cal need to join the Big12
Unsub. No need for the kiddie lollypop or body part lookalike on cover photo. Asked about this, but no reply.
Why does everyone ignore that ND is contractually OBLIGATED to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference? Unless the ACC dissolves or ND sues to get out of the contract (that will be a 9 figure shot in the shorts for ND), they're ACC bound conference wise.
I think you're confusing ND's obligations to the ACC when it comes to their Olympic sports and not its football team. I haven't looked too deeply into it, so I could be wrong, but ND football remains independent and go to any conference it wants to without any contractual concerns to ACC.
It won't be a "9 figure shot in the shorts" and that is the difference. Since ND football is independent their AAC GOR and buyout is much smaller than a full member.
They could partially join one at any time. Im sure the definition of “join” can be litigated.
@@BigBadBrassBawls The contract stipulates that ND football (while being independent) will give preference to scheduling ACC teams. In the event that ND decides to join a conference, they are obligated to join the ACC.
@@dgart7434 You may be right on that. However, we are talking an existential crisis for the ACC. They will try and force NDs hand. ND is too big a brand and too valuable to just let them walk away on the cheap. The prestige of ND joining the ACC would instantly save the conference, in my opinion. FSU and Clemson would probably pipe down and play ball and allow the ACC to poach what best schools are left of the G5 to keep pace with the Big 12, 10, and SEC.
The ACC and Pac 4 should join together and make the PACC 18
Stanford isn't getting a Big Ten offer. Not a chance. The Big Ten is going to end up doing 4somes, and they have their 4 in the west. The Big Ten is going East next. Their #1 target is Notre Dame but #2 is North Carolina and it's not even close after #1 & #2 and the rest of the available teams. The Tarheels will be the next team the Big Ten focuses on heavily.
California has home crowds of 6000 ppl sometimes. Why add them. These two schools have been spending their football and basketball money on other things.
Either Stanford and Cal join the B1G or the academic schools in the B1G, Rice, etc. join Stanford and Cal in a new conference or the Ivy League.
Stanford + ND = 20 Teams with 4 pods of 5. West - all from PAC12. Each pod plays a different pod each year. 4-team conference playoff with winners of each pod, but winners are matched up with the winner of a pod they didn't play in the regular season (to avoid rematches). 2030 B1G replaces underperforming/low value schools with ACC schools, if they can get out of their deal. Afterall you don't need 3 schools in Indiana.
Power five status is dependent on how much money you make. If they could get a tv deal that paid 15-20 million per school, because of the 4 pac teams and the best of the MW, then add NCAA tourney units and CFP money, how would they not then be power 5? Plus, the current CFP deal would owe the PAC 12 one 6th of the CFP deal
The logical thing seems to be for Notre Dame and Stanford to join the Big 10 together. They can have one of the protected rivalry games assuming that stays a thing. I imagine Notre Dame vs USC would be another. Notre Dame's tv deal expires after 2024 and how that all plays out is going to determine a lot. NBC is already part of the deal for the Big 10. The logical fit for Notre Dame has always felt like the Big 10 but they seem to fight it tooth and nail. I think if they join a conference it is going to be the ACC. From what I gather they are trying to push the ACC to accept Stanford and Cal. I'm not sure why ND even cares about Cal but apparently they do. Notre Dame to the ACC for football would obviously be a HUGE win for the ACC. It would be great for the Big 10 too but doesn't feel as important.
Just out of curiosity, Mr s, why do you suspect that ND resists being added to the Big 10 when they are smack dab in the middle of the Big 10's geography & have had storied rivalries against Big 10 opponents such as Michigan State (which may have occurred before you were born)? For someone who's a Big 10 fan (i.e., Yours Truly) I'm confounded why the decision-makers at ND would say to themselves, "Why would we want to ally ourselves with historic (& locally relevant) opponents such as Indiana U, Michigan State, UMichigan & Ohio State U when we can travel hundreds of miles to face obscure irrelevant opponents such as Pittsburgh, Boston College, Virginia Tech, FSU, Wake Forest and Austin Community College?"
However, possibly you know something that I don't know!
RIP Lake Lagunita. 🥲🌲
Puddle Lagunita. Wet spot on the ground Lagunita.
No disrespect but you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to recruiting. Stanford has the second best recruiting class in the Pac 12 for the 2024 recruiting class. Troy Taylor is a winner, and in three years Stanford‘s gonna be one of the better teams in the country.. don’t forget it wasn’t that long ago when teams feared the 🌲
The ACC? Stanford is on the Pacific Coast. That makes no sense. Stanford is strong in women's volleyball.
I don't thnk the B1G is deliberately moving in stages. There's no reason to. It makes more sense to make your moves all at once then sign your media deal and wait for the next renewal. They were meh on UW and UO. There was zero reason to wait a year on them if they really wanted them. After the Apple deal was presented, UW and UO had to leave. They couldn't afford to be lost behind a paywall. The most likely option was the Big 12. Well, that allows the Big 12 and ESPN to compete for viewers in the Pacific window. Reluctantly, I think they took UW and UO to head off ESPN on the west coast.
If they really wanted UW and UO this whole time, why not take them when they took USC and UCLA? Why not build in escalators in your media deal if you wanted to wait a year? They did neither.
It was a rather lackluster, reactionary move. Not as poor as adding Maryland and Rutgers (Jesus!) but up there. They've still got a shrinking population problem that they are addressing in the most round about way possible.
B1G is being strategic. Only so big you can get. 20-24. They need to hold slots for ACC powers. Stanford will always be there.
Totally agree. UO and UW were not going anywhere. The BIG10 was only mildly interested, happy with what they had. After the PAC12 media deal, I suspect UO and UW immediately called the BIG10 and begged for a lifeline. At that point the BIG10 was heading off the Big12 as much as improving their situation.
The B1G was “meh” on UO and UW
being brought in with USC/UCLA
because they would have expected full shares like the LA schools which would have cut into
the share size for each current school. When the PAC collapsed
The B1G saw UO and UW could be had at reduced shares and Fox was willing to keep everyone whole by adding money since they wanted more brands in the B1G.
The B1G would have been happy to wait 2 years while integrating USC/ UCLA into the scheduling.
But Fox saw an opportunity to keep ESPN out of the west coast
market by keeping UO/ UW out of
the Big 12 or a surviving PAC
Someone posted or blogged that the Power 5 teams should go get together and leave the NCAA for football only, get their own TV contract and work from there. Put the rest of the sports back in their regional conferences and have some kind of performance setup like European Soccer where the bottom teams get booted for the top of the lower group every year.
Problem is if they do that they will get sued into oblivion for violating federal anti-trust laws. This has happened to the NCAA, but the NCAA was able to denouce the fines due to claiming it provided equal competition between all programs and all programs were amateur. Seperating from the NCAA, signing your own media deals and preventing other teams from joining will lead to lawsuits.
@@MattLindon-wv8jy If it happens, they will have the ca$h to beat the nzaa. The NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL don't have anti-trust issues, I don't think that would hold water.
Notre Dame is the lynchpin. I think Stanford definitely and probably Cal, too, go where Notre Dame goes. ND can save the ACC by joining in football (Stanford and Cal tagging along). Or ND could destroy the ACC by joining the Big10 (Stanford and Cal tagging along). Or ND stands pat and we are stuck in this strange limbo (this is most likely for the time being). ND is probably the one school that can pull off independence long term, and seems content to do so (Stanford could probably be independent for a few years in a pinch). Florida State however seems none too eager to sit around waiting for ND. That situation might be messy.
these west coast schools why even have a football program in the first place if nobody will watch it???🤷 in California they care about academics not sports🤦
I understand the WNST is looking for a home field. They draw huge crowds compared to Stanford.
They should go indy. Make their own schedule.
What happens to Stanford Football now? Who cares?
Oh my, Stanford to the Big XII, Hey Brett, can you he us now? Hello, hello?
Join the Ivy league 😅
They need to join the MW for all sports other than Football and just go independent in Football for now. Or join the MW all together.
I'm all for a Pac-whatever re-alignment. Make it a purely western league. As some have suggested, team up with Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNReno, UNLV and San Jose State. With regional matchups like these, people would actually GO to the games. Boise and Fresno are both just as good as Cal and Stanford now. It could provide a much needed boost in revenue to the lesser schools, and, let's face it, Cal and Stanford don't need the money. They may not be invited to the BCS, but, if it was up to me, I wouldn't go if they asked me. The BCS is what KILLED college football, and there's no reason to even further dilute regional rivalry and tradition any more than it has been. If you can't beat 'em, f*ck 'em!
I’m laughing at your comments “probably a loss” 😁😁😁
They go independent, they can schedule their former Pac-12 members because they are not the threat to these teams and there will be two non conference games available to each team. They will be following whatever Notre Dame does, that is the team Notre Dame is closely related to. The Big 10 doesn't want Cal. They really want Stanford because of their great non revenue teams and that is where their conference will gain in prestige. Stanford is picking up on recruits, so they can stay independent for a long time. They even have much more money than Notre Dame. There is a possibility that if their new coach can get excitement into that program, they may get a helping hand from Notre Dame to get some contract offer from NBC in the future. Stanford could bring money from endowments from many of their olympic graduates, but that only helps Stanford, not the conference. They are such a unique school, they should stay independent. The basketball team could schedule any west coast team as an independent, and try to win enough games to get into the NIT or maybe the big tourny itself, but they should remain an independent. Most colleges in America earn anywhere from a few hundred thousand to upwards of 100 million dollars a year, and a lot of that income comes from football, which is why they chase the dollars. Stanford earns 725 million dollars a year and that is not including football
But does Stanford have the TV deal Notre Dame has?
No, but they do make $1.5 billion a year on their athletic programs because of their olympic sport dominance in the NCAA's so they don't have to focus on football. However, because football now drives conference alignment, they will have to pay attention to it now if they want to stay relevant in the sport on the DI level @@CTback
Why couldn’t the B1G and Stanford go ahead and announce now while Stanford waits the two years? Texas and OU did. I’m not sold on your idea that Stanford is going to the B1G. Maybe but not looking good, otherwise Stanford wouldn’t be out trying to jump somewhere.
@lenardbrown390 Has a great idea, B1G trades Nebraska back to the Big XII takes Stanford, Cal and ND. Big XII takes Oregon St. and Wazzu. I can't imagine Stanford and Cal go ACC.
Why would Nebraska ever vote to make less money in the Big 12?
Why would any B1G school not named Michigan Ohio State or Penn State ever support a system
where they could be kicked out of a research alliance where football money is peanuts in comparison?
Sure Indiana Rutgers and Northwest would get chopped first.
But once that door is open, everyone that is not an elite program is at risk of having
PAC and ACC refugees vote them
out of their own conference that is academic in nature first and athletic second.
Stanford should just do away with football. Focus on your academics and research.
Does anyone really give a poop?
AAC
Nice video
Stanford gets into the B1G on the coattails of another team (possibly Notre Dame)
MWC or AAC. Even if it is only for a year or two. I don’t see how they have a choice.
If the CFP keeps the six auto bids for 2024-25, this doesn't sound so bad as a short-term arrangement. Especially since everyone's out-of-conference schedules are already filled up, so an "independent" schedule for the next two years would basically just be a Mountain West schedule anyway.
Longer-term, there's no way Stanford can stay in the same conference with the minor league team right in their backyard (SJSU).
Independent
why are u depressed is it cuz ur ginger?
To the MW 🥳🥳🥳
Do none of you guys do your hw. Stanford had a okay recruiting class in 2023 and they are at #24 for next year. They can change it around