I don’t count Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee either since you can’t transfer a Pokémon from Home into those games; only directly from Go. In that case, Alolan Raticate also counts as a forgotten child.
I swear I had a really vivid dream once about a regional form Simisear that was Fire/Electric and looked like Sun Wukong. It flew on a thundercloud that originated from what was originally the white fluff on it's neck and wielded a flaming staff. One of the coolest things I've ever imagined. Idk if I saw some obscure fanart online or if my mind just spun this thing into shape but every time I remember I feel distinctly disappointed at the Simisear that we got.
Also shout out to Alolan Raticate who is only in Let's GO so meaning if u used an Alolan Raticate in Alola and transferred it to Pokémon Home then he's been stuck in there since 2019 since Lets GO doesnt allow bank transfers
one place watchog does shine outside of competitive is in shiny hunting. illuminate is always helpful when hunting and getting access to both hypnosis and super fang via level up make it a very easy option to train up for shiny hunting :)
if im not mistaken, im pretty sure that spinda can be transfered to and from home, from any game *except* BDSP. i think the coding fuckup for their patterns was specific to that game, and that makes them incompatible with spindas from everywhere else in the series. also, if im remembering correctly, spindas from go can only have a handful of specific patterns, rather than the millions of different possible ones in the rest of the games.
Black/White might be the worst experience I have had playing a Pokemon game- also one of the most boring games I've ever played- but at least it gave me the elemental monkeys that, no joke, are some of my favorite pokemon ever- especially Simisear. They hit the same boxes that Quaquaval hit in being designs that grew on me and feel distinguished, even if that means people call them ugly. I just find Simisear so adorable and funny it became a top 3 pokemon for me and I'm fine if they're not that popular, cuz I at least they're busted on rom hacks 😊
I fondly remember that one episode where a Watchog wanted to help save people from fires but it wasn't good at putting them out. Yet it still found a way to be helpful and got onto the team. I always thought it would be cool if Illuminate allowed normal fighting and psychic attacks to hit ghost and dark types as long as the ability owner was on the field. An enabler-type support pokemon in doubles.
I always thought it should give an accuracy boost when it's on the field (that's been semi-implemented with preventing accuracy drops), but that idea about allowing ghost and dark types to be hit makes a lot of sense too, I really like it
What makes spinda even worse is that it only gets superpower as a dream world exclusive move in gen 5, no move tutor or anything. So even if you could transfer spinda all the way up to s/v, superpower would be an illegal move as it has no way to relearn it
Fun fact: Furfrou has been confirmed in legends ZA, and it apparently will get new styles (lets hope they make this gimmick somewhat useful, like giving it a second type or an extra good atk)
@TownDarling Which one? And if read my comment I said "apparently", but I actually went out of my way to look for the already existing styles and none of those matched the one that appeared on the clip. So maybe research before talking?
The funniest thing about Furfrou is how certain trims only being transferable from Go (due to how they get reverted if they're put into Bank, meaning the forms can never be sent to Home for a living dex other than by using Go) has single handedly created an impossibly high demand for the forgotten dog. If you live in the regions of the world that are able to get infinite of those exclusive rare trims, you can basically get any legendary, shiny or Pokemon in general that you want lol
@sonicrunn3r895 wait, some of the trims are exclusive to some regions? Furfrou is one of my fave pokemon but I hate all the trims so always keep it natural LoL
It's singlehandedly destroyed the GTS, every time you look up trades for a mon you want and have any furfrou at all, it shows everyone wanting those special forms even though you only have the base form
@@ReallyReallyTrying There's one furfrou trim in particular called the pharaoh trim, it's the rarest one because you can only trim it that way in Egypt. There's also unique trims for Europe, Asia, France, Japan, the Middle East, and Africa.
I will never forget when I nearly swept someone's team with a Contrary Spinda in Gen 5 cause they sent out Gyarados against me and the person ended up forfeiting. I dunno if it was out of shame, or respect, but it's still a vivid memory with me and actually jumpstarted my interest in online competitive.
If Watchog had Compoundeyes instead of Keen Eye he’d be a goofy lil Hypnosis spammer that could throw out reliable Gunk Shots and Iron Tails. Still wouldn’t be good but it would be unique.
This is exactly the problem with the N.dex. Some Pokémon remain unavailable in all 5 Switch games, while some of them are available in all of em(5/5). I wouldn't mind the cut if some popular mons are sacrificed so that mons like these can be made available in the games. Machamp,Alakaza were sacrificed, what did we get? The Unova starters made their Switch debut(Except for Samurott in PLA)
What gets me is some really random Pokemon are in all the Switch games (ignoring LGPE), like STUNKY is in the regional dex for SwSh, BDSP, LA AND SV. Who was really clamouring for Stunky?
@@carucath97 That’s especially weird when you realize that Stunky and Glameow used to be counterparts, but Glameow has literally never been in a Pokédex outside of Sinnoh/Hisui. Why is Stunky all over the place when Glameow is only in like 2 games?
I remember Watchog being popular among shiny hunters in gen 5 thanks to illuminate, super fang, hypnosis, and easily being found in the wild at decent levels
I distinctly remember really liking Furfrou during my casual X/Y playthrough, and how it was surprisingly bulky thanks to Fur Coat. It also happens to get Cotton Guard, which gives it +3 Defense. If it gets Body Press in Gen 10 or Legends ZA, that would be pretty hype. ^_^
Notes: - Illuminate was boosted in Gen 9 to function the same as Keen Eye. So Watchog's regular ablities are both redundant (It's at least better than Delibird, with one of them being a hidden ability) - Analytic also woks if the opponent "moves first" by manual switching, so it's not entirely detrimental Also, if anyone has the time, look up Watchog's Gen 5 and Spinda's Gen 6 entries on Smogon. They are glorious.
I'm sorry but I despise Watchog. It's learn set is designed to be as annoying as fucking possible for a Unova playthrough, I've lost multiple Pokemon to it in my Unova nuzlocke and Lenora's is a demon early game
Tbh ever since I realised Watchog was wearing a hi-vis vest I've been weirdly attached to it. It's just a really charming little design. I think they would help children cross the road and divert traffic.
watchog has a niche in full odds shiny. Its available earlygame in gen 5, and has access to superfang, hypnosis, and false swipe as well as getting the ability Illuminate, making encounters faster. If you are full odds shiny hunting in gen 5, It is essential to have at the front to of your party.
@@dengar96 You're right, I forgot about that. I'm sure if GF wanted to they could figure something out, I just don't think they'll do something with the monkeys.
In all seriousness Patrat will probably be in Z-A for the sole purpose of Gamefreak being able to shut down Bank, aside from that and Unova remakes he will never be in a game again though.
watchog is one of the few pokemon i genuinely dislike, i'm alright with most of the others but watchog (and also patrat) are some of the few exceptions worst thing is, i don't even know why i hate it
Funny you make this video, since the official Pokémon channel made a community post with Karen's obnoxious "use your favourite Pokémon" speech, and one of the first comments addresses the Dexit.
In addition of having the coldest stance of all mons, watchog is the best pokemon to use while shiny hunting in ds/3ds era due to its movepool and illuminate ability
Spinda IS available in HOME, it just can't transfer between HOME and GO or BDSP because in GO the spot patterns work differently and in BDSP they're bugged and displayed differently.
I think people are still mad at Watchog because it kicked their ass in the second gym in BW. Lv 20 is pretty high at that point in the game, stab retaliate kills almost everything that isn't Roggenrola, and, most importantly: Hypnosis lets it spiral out of control extremely quickly
I'm torn on the handful that are still gone as somebody who loves the monkeys more than most, but also loathes Furfrou because of what people have done to the GTS with it. I think it would be hilarious if it came back in Legends ZA and its trait of losing its trim when put into the PC was removed with game freak not telling anybody before launch, so all the folks using the GTS as a museum to show off instead of a trading service lost their fancy shinies and legendaries without warning.
I think the monkeys are cool as both a game element in Gen 5 and just looking kinda cool Frufrou is a neat Poke and has Bite, so is good enough for story, at least. Spinda is just cute, but Watchog ain't for me.
I adore Gen V with all my heart, but it’s nature as a soft reboot of Kanto really hurt the type diversity of its Dex . The monkeys could have had secondary types to help distinguish them a bit better outside their gimmick.
Watchog, the Pokemon version of the Devil. The Gen 5 games made extra sure they would let the worst possible image on player. Lenora's Watchog is the only tome in Pokemon history Watchog was an offensive threat. And then it's in every single Plasma team, knowing every single status move that only serve to limit their unavoidable demise, but will randomly costs you everything. And they're not even good when you use them! (Stoutland being absolutely amazing just makes it worse.) I don't hate the little guy, because the deck has been so heavily stacked against it!
I know it has nothing to do with the video beyond them being in it, but as the only fan of Simisear in the world, I despise Simipour so much. Of the monkeys, it got slightly more popular (from what I've seen) for looking stoned, when it clearly was never intended, meanwhile the culinary monkey that has the most culinary themed appearance and name got sidelined for seemingly no reason? Like, Simisear, Simipour, and SImisage all have Gluttony as their only ability, not including Hidden, which would be either impossible to get or extremely tedious (in BW, not BW2, those idk). On top of that, Simisear and Simisage are both named after things used in cooking directly. You sear the meat, you put sage as a seasoning. Plus, sage and sear also work as sage and seer, two related concepts for mystical people (idk how else to describe them). The pan part of their unevolved forms also is in reference to pans (like, frying pan, sauce pan), linking them more to cooking, along with Cilan (Cilantro), Chili (Chili) and Cress (I'll get to him later) and mostly chef trainers using them (especially in Kalos). Seperately, the tail of Pansear ends in a little fireball, becoming a stream of flames in evolution, Pansage's ends with twin leaves and Simisage gets slightly bigger leaves (rather boring, honestly), but that makes them all match up, 1 fireball, 1 flame stream, 2 leaves, 2 big leaves. Then there is Simipour. While Simisage had some clear problems (boring tail, not very cooking related in appearance, but the appearance thing for Simisear is just that it's belly is a bit bigger like it's gluttonous or somthing), Simipour and Panpour are awful. Firstly, all the other monkeys follow a 2 syllable P S and 3 syllable S S naming scheme. For some reason, while the syllables are right, they chose to make it pour, as in downpour, not even a cooking term (You can pour water, oil, flour, etc. into something, but unlike the others the cooking is less prevalent, rather a consequence that the word downpour contains pour. Mix/stir in would make more sense as a cooking term, since those are more clear for when combining things.), and it also does not match up with the other two monkeys letter pattern at all. The monkeys all share a '3 wise monkeys' motif' and the Seer and Sage fit perfectly, but Simipour is just... Impoverished? A better name, in my opinion, would have been Panstir and Simistir, since you stir in ingredients when cooking, it includes the P S and S S name pattern, sounds like Sinister (a trait that makes more sense for a wise old man than simply saying "he's poor therefore he's wise") and adds more potential for interaction between the monkeys (like, group infighting where Simisear see the mischievous acts of Simistir before they happen and Simisage attempt to lead them on the right path, while Simistir just plays along for fun). Cress, additionally, is named not after a watery thing, but the HERB Garden/Water Cress, a plant. He could've been named after a soup or something, but instead having two herb/spice/whatever you wanna call it gym leaders and Chili was what they wanted to do. Back to tails, Panpour has a 3-leaf clover shape, perfect for the "Who's That Pokemon" quiz in Lumiose City, but awful for making something look like a water type. Switch with Pansage's, and it would look like rain drops and a clover instead, without even needing to recolor it. Simipour, meanwhile, has a water spout at the end of its tail (unlike Simisear and Simisage, where their entire tails change to either red or green, not just the tips), with SIX ball shapes, being the only monkey not to match with the pre-evolution in tail tip amount. And while Simisear and Simisage both have a pants fur pattern, Simipour also decides not to match their by going for a bid/shirt pattern instead, making them look even more out of place. The top of Panpour's head also looks like a tree, similar to Pansage's, but both look a bit awkward so I won't discredit one more than the other on that one. However, I will say that both look ridiculous and should have had more effort put into their head fur design, like Pansear's single flame on it's head that splits into 2 additional flames on evolution. Additionally, the white fur each simian has is around the shoulders area (and eyebrows, in Simiage's case, but it has a more aggressive look so that fits), but all that Simipour gets is a bib on top of the bib design, no extra white anywhere, so it looks less varied across the body than the other two (not to mention the general lankiness). And then movesets, specifically looking at Gen 5 since that was when they were fresh, while Pansage and Pansear were given the more balanced Seed Bomb and Flame Burst at level 22, they decided Panpour needed some help and gave it Scald, a move so broken they took it away from the majority of Pokemon that got it. Not to mention the rather scarce water-types along the main routes of Unova (since you don't need Surf to beat the game, and things like Alomomola need you to back track), Panpour was just set to win against the other two in a battle for relevancy, especially if you consider that all the monkeys get Acrobatics, and with their quite high speed stats, Simipour could easily beat a lot of the grass-types that would counter it. Even though they only gave Simisage Grass Knot and Simisear Fire Blast at level 34, they decided that Simipour should be all set before you even get the HM for Surf at Twist Mountain. Simisage doesn't even need to learn Grass Knot by level up, considering they give you a TM for it extremely early in the game, but they just couldn't let it have a better move at level 34 apparently. All that generosity ran out at level 22. This also doesn't even take into account that Simipour can learn Dig for electric types, Grass Knot for water types and Ice Beam/Blizzard for anything else that should beat it. I will specify, I am mainly complaining from an in-game playthrough perspective, but the power imbalance between them is absolutely ridiculous, and it all goes to the worst of the worst. Overall, Simisear is the best, Simisage is alright, and Simipour should never have been allowed to pass off as a member of the elemental monkey trio. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Tbh they really dropped the ball on watchog, Watchog should definitely be slower to synergize with the analytic (which would also have lore synergy with how patrat are very observant, which may be why watchog has analytic to begin with?) or have been given intimidate since the pokedex entry literally states they use their bright coats to intimidate would be predators. Then again is not the first time they give analytic to a pokemon that has no business having it (Hello starmie with 115 base speed)
"Illuminate does nothing, Keen Eye does basically nothing since accuracy lowering moves are banned" ALSO Illuminate was changed in Gen 9, it now has... THE SAME EFFECT AS KEEN EYE!!
I wish we got another normal/water type aside from Bibarel. Tried to use Bibarel in BDSP and even Simple+Sword's Dance couldn't get it through the Elite 4.
Cryogonal is unique in this world for it is a snowflake and that's how snowflakes work. I made out with it once back in the summer of 2012, but that's a story for another day
Randbats Cryogonal has rapid spin, great special bulk, and recover. It is really good and I'm almost never sad to have it on my team, even if it can't touch fire and steel types(its moveset is rapid spin, recover, freeze-dry, and flash cannon with HDB and tera steel).
What’s the most sad about spinda is that bc of coding errors involving the spots every spinda you catch cannot be put into home along with that if you have a spinda in home that was caught in other games it cannot go into bdsp
The issue is an endianness problem, where old gen Spindas would have their spot determination reversed from BDSP spindas. I think Spindas from Go can't be sent to Home either, but I think that is likely a design choice. The special Valentine's one is unique where the shiny doesn't match the base form ( the heart is broken on the shiny)
I really enjoyed using Watchog in Pokemon Tectonic. All pokemon had averaged BSTs, and Watchog got both Glare and a special-defense version of Fur Coat. It was my dedicated boss killer with Super Fang and a special-defense version of Rocky Helmet, aptly called the Hi-Vis Vest. Shout out to fangames that actually try to and succeed in fixing "shitmons" like my boy Watchog. Also he was funny in Super Mystery Dungeon.
Ill never understand why people dont like the Elemental Monkys, theyve always been so neat!! Its even worse when you learn Simisear was considered the least popular pokemon of all time in a poll back in like 2019 or something ;-;
I keep forgetting furfrou is a dog because the word "fur" in pokemon autocompletes in my head to "Furret" -Furfrou is one weird lookin mustelid- edit: Watchog isn't a rodent :P
Spinda is my favorite Pokemon of all time. I desperately hope it gets any kind of love in any way in the future. My funny little drunk bunny bear baby thing.
SPINDA HAS SKILL SWAP WITH CONTRARY. it’s so funny in doubles but hard to set up. I ran scarf to give it speed and skill swap to an arcanine with cc overheat dragon pulse + morning sun. (Gen 6) hard part was finding the turn to get it going but now we have covert cloak to block fake out it doesn’t seeem impossible but I’ll never get to try it
I like Patrat, but Vice-Principal Watchog honestly turned me off of said Pokémon. It's like a reverse Grovyle. Yes, I know that's a dumb reason to dislike a Pokémon, but still.
Mark my words, we're getting a Simi Paradox pokemon that's Simisear, Simipour, and Simisage wrapped up in one and it WILL be an ubers level threat. It's going to be a normal type with wildly even stats and a movepool that makes mew's look like childplay. AND, it'll be known by its crazy hair that'll look like Simisears, Simipours, and Simisages from afar like Iron Valiant. *I hope for this so much despite because I'm tired of forgetting these monkeys exist*
Why has Gamefreak never made an early game mon that evolves early, but with a third stage that evolves late? Like with Watchog, you're meant to pick him up early and evolve him so you have a semi-strong pokemon for the first couple gyms who then falls off, but Gen 5 introduced so many pokemon who evolve after level 40 and are pretty powerful when evolved, but why did they never mix the two ideas? Watchog could have had another evolution at level 55 that had 550 BST and could actually be useful against the Elite Four. It would have been the perfect way to subvert the expectation of the early route rodent.
Dude I don’t play modern day Pokémon, and I was never a competitive player at any point, even though I only understand half of the shit you’re saying I still really like your videos and your off screen charisma. Keep up the good work!
Pokemon SV pokedex was painfully full of popular returning pokemon, hoping they reconsider this, and i will accept no slander for the elemental monkeys, they’ve been through enough hate and neglect
These are early route, gimmick Pokemon so they are bound to be bad, but then again, this begs the question why GameFreak thinks that such Pokemon needs to be bad? Why can't we have a gimmick Pokemon that's also good in competitive? I mean we do have some, but that's really not the case for a lot of them.
what's very funny about spinda is that the only way to get super power on it is through gen 5 dream world, you can't teach it this move otherwise so it's locked to a very specific mechanic in a specific gen, and all spindas from BDSP have their spot values reversed from other gens, and this has resulted in them being untransferrable from pokemon home, locking them out of being able to be transferred at all in a future gen with no signs of this issue being fixed EVER. Spinda not only learns no other moves that will drop it's own stats, has terrible stats, and learns no useful moves that can be considered for competetive, it is locked out of being in other gens thanks to how BDSP decided to change up the code that determines it's own spot patterns
I honestly thought Watchog got stakeout as an ability, and I was gonna say with a choice scarf and retaliate maybe it can serve as a strong revenge killer who also covers them swapping into a bulky mon but. Damn, really got nothing. At least they’re cute
I'll never stop singing their praises for eliminating the idea of the Elemental Monkeys. Literally the greatest thing they have ever done. It's to the point if i show a picture of them to even the biggest Pokemon fans they cannot accurately name them, so mission accomplished.
Cherens Simipour is actually a bit of a monster, stab mystic water scald does a big chunk of damage, and its most likely your Grass or electric type at that point will be physical, scald can burn and cripple then completly.
The monkeys should get drizzle, drought and grassy surge respectively. Realistically they'll still be bad but at least they'll be better than what they are now
We apparently have to have some bad mons you are only supposed to use early in play throughs and change out for better things later on, like tackle or bubble are as moves. Idk why they can just toss these guys into the terrarium though.
watchog really came in clutch fo rme, first time nuzocke vs the gym leaders watchog, they missed hypnosis, i hit, so great memory, but.... not a great testometn to a great early game carry if you use it that way
I have a Watchog named Carol in my GO dex that I will immediately transfer to the next game she appears in. Watchog is overhated and deserves more love!
The criteria for making this list was "you can't get them in a main series switch game (that isn't bdsp)" pretty sure i didn't miss anyone lol
I don’t count Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee either since you can’t transfer a Pokémon from Home into those games; only directly from Go. In that case, Alolan Raticate also counts as a forgotten child.
Watchog deserves all the hate it gets
@@DaSheepKiller good riddance
There are definitely a few more that qualify but the only one that would be interesting to talk about is swellow, maybe purugly or kecleon.
i thought you were including bdsp as one of the forgotten children because that remake was dog water
I swear I had a really vivid dream once about a regional form Simisear that was Fire/Electric and looked like Sun Wukong. It flew on a thundercloud that originated from what was originally the white fluff on it's neck and wielded a flaming staff. One of the coolest things I've ever imagined. Idk if I saw some obscure fanart online or if my mind just spun this thing into shape but every time I remember I feel distinctly disappointed at the Simisear that we got.
They can redeem them in Legends Kyrum 🙏
johtoian simisear perhaps?
@@sonicrunn3r895 keep hoping lil bro
That’s be pretty cool
True
Also shout out to Alolan Raticate who is only in Let's GO so meaning if u used an Alolan Raticate in Alola and transferred it to Pokémon Home then he's been stuck in there since 2019 since Lets GO doesnt allow bank transfers
watchog would have the same ability twice if it was released in modern gens due to illuminates rework
one place watchog does shine outside of competitive is in shiny hunting. illuminate is always helpful when hunting and getting access to both hypnosis and super fang via level up make it a very easy option to train up for shiny hunting :)
if im not mistaken, im pretty sure that spinda can be transfered to and from home, from any game *except* BDSP. i think the coding fuckup for their patterns was specific to that game, and that makes them incompatible with spindas from everywhere else in the series.
also, if im remembering correctly, spindas from go can only have a handful of specific patterns, rather than the millions of different possible ones in the rest of the games.
Black/White might be the worst experience I have had playing a Pokemon game- also one of the most boring games I've ever played- but at least it gave me the elemental monkeys that, no joke, are some of my favorite pokemon ever- especially Simisear. They hit the same boxes that Quaquaval hit in being designs that grew on me and feel distinguished, even if that means people call them ugly. I just find Simisear so adorable and funny it became a top 3 pokemon for me and I'm fine if they're not that popular, cuz I at least they're busted on rom hacks 😊
Simisear and Simisage are super overhated too. Not really a simipour fan tho
Aww I love furfrou
I fondly remember that one episode where a Watchog wanted to help save people from fires but it wasn't good at putting them out. Yet it still found a way to be helpful and got onto the team. I always thought it would be cool if Illuminate allowed normal fighting and psychic attacks to hit ghost and dark types as long as the ability owner was on the field. An enabler-type support pokemon in doubles.
It is built for support after all, though in the worst possible way
I always thought it should give an accuracy boost when it's on the field (that's been semi-implemented with preventing accuracy drops), but that idea about allowing ghost and dark types to be hit makes a lot of sense too, I really like it
What makes spinda even worse is that it only gets superpower as a dream world exclusive move in gen 5, no move tutor or anything. So even if you could transfer spinda all the way up to s/v, superpower would be an illegal move as it has no way to relearn it
Alsp shout-outs to yamper because it kinda seemed like they wanted to make it a mascot but nobody cared about it and it got dexited right after lmfao
Boltund was on my Sword team too…man…
Could have made regional electrike and manectric but instead made the same thing but somehow even more forgettable.
@@sonicwave779It's a corgi!
It brings your PokeBall back!
It's absolutely freaking useless!
...What not to love?
I used Boltund in my playthrough and honestly really like it.
Sprigatito (and her evolutions to an extent) fulfill this role as a mascot, so no need for Yamper!
Fun fact: Furfrou has been confirmed in legends ZA, and it apparently will get new styles (lets hope they make this gimmick somewhat useful, like giving it a second type or an extra good atk)
@TownDarling Which one? And if read my comment I said "apparently", but I actually went out of my way to look for the already existing styles and none of those matched the one that appeared on the clip. So maybe research before talking?
@TownDarling Just went to the video and the Furfrou there did not look like any of the existing trims. The one speaking BS is you...
Furfrou should get Body Press too
@@GoldGuard BP isn’t boosted by Fur Coat btw :(
@@butteredsalmonellamake it be
Wait why does game watchog look like that but anime watchog is adorable tf
they did it dirty. watchog is amazing fr
Because the game hates Watchog and goes out of its way to make you hate it too.
The funniest thing about Furfrou is how certain trims only being transferable from Go (due to how they get reverted if they're put into Bank, meaning the forms can never be sent to Home for a living dex other than by using Go) has single handedly created an impossibly high demand for the forgotten dog. If you live in the regions of the world that are able to get infinite of those exclusive rare trims, you can basically get any legendary, shiny or Pokemon in general that you want lol
@sonicrunn3r895 wait, some of the trims are exclusive to some regions? Furfrou is one of my fave pokemon but I hate all the trims so always keep it natural LoL
It's singlehandedly destroyed the GTS, every time you look up trades for a mon you want and have any furfrou at all, it shows everyone wanting those special forms even though you only have the base form
@@ReallyReallyTrying There's one furfrou trim in particular called the pharaoh trim, it's the rarest one because you can only trim it that way in Egypt. There's also unique trims for Europe, Asia, France, Japan, the Middle East, and Africa.
Milk that before ZA comes out and everyone gets access to all of the trims, plus a way to move them directly to Home
@@esosique5 Imagine if they don’t allow that lol
I will never forget when I nearly swept someone's team with a Contrary Spinda in Gen 5 cause they sent out Gyarados against me and the person ended up forfeiting. I dunno if it was out of shame, or respect, but it's still a vivid memory with me and actually jumpstarted my interest in online competitive.
If Watchog had Compoundeyes instead of Keen Eye he’d be a goofy lil Hypnosis spammer that could throw out reliable Gunk Shots and Iron Tails. Still wouldn’t be good but it would be unique.
This is exactly the problem with the N.dex. Some Pokémon remain unavailable in all 5 Switch games, while some of them are available in all of em(5/5). I wouldn't mind the cut if some popular mons are sacrificed so that mons like these can be made available in the games.
Machamp,Alakaza were sacrificed, what did we get? The Unova starters made their Switch debut(Except for Samurott in PLA)
@@e94youtube Well it still was Samurott’s Switch debut, because PLA only had the Hisuian form
@@DaSheepKiller Yeah
What gets me is some really random Pokemon are in all the Switch games (ignoring LGPE), like STUNKY is in the regional dex for SwSh, BDSP, LA AND SV. Who was really clamouring for Stunky?
@@carucath97 That’s especially weird when you realize that Stunky and Glameow used to be counterparts, but Glameow has literally never been in a Pokédex outside of Sinnoh/Hisui. Why is Stunky all over the place when Glameow is only in like 2 games?
@@carucath97 Well Magnemite exists in all games haha. Do ppl love it to that extent or has a huge fanbase like any other popular games?
At the very least, Watchog was a menace in Lenora's gym in BW.
I remember Watchog being popular among shiny hunters in gen 5 thanks to illuminate, super fang, hypnosis, and easily being found in the wild at decent levels
Furfrou in PokeRogue is a NIGHTMARE. So many runs have ended spimply because I chose to enter the city instead of the desert...
Even the goofiest fellas have a place in the spinoffs! Watchog and simipour both have a decent role in pokemon super mystery dungeon.
I distinctly remember really liking Furfrou during my casual X/Y playthrough, and how it was surprisingly bulky thanks to Fur Coat. It also happens to get Cotton Guard, which gives it +3 Defense. If it gets Body Press in Gen 10 or Legends ZA, that would be pretty hype. ^_^
Notes:
- Illuminate was boosted in Gen 9 to function the same as Keen Eye. So Watchog's regular ablities are both redundant (It's at least better than Delibird, with one of them being a hidden ability)
- Analytic also woks if the opponent "moves first" by manual switching, so it's not entirely detrimental
Also, if anyone has the time, look up Watchog's Gen 5 and Spinda's Gen 6 entries on Smogon. They are glorious.
I'm sorry but I despise Watchog. It's learn set is designed to be as annoying as fucking possible for a Unova playthrough, I've lost multiple Pokemon to it in my Unova nuzlocke and Lenora's is a demon early game
Tbh ever since I realised Watchog was wearing a hi-vis vest I've been weirdly attached to it. It's just a really charming little design. I think they would help children cross the road and divert traffic.
Spinda deserved better.
Spinda deserve an evolution
Spinda deserves the world.
Spinda deserves a 9-point buff to every stat.
@@TheLaXandroSpinda deserves Prankster
watchog has a niche in full odds shiny. Its available earlygame in gen 5, and has access to superfang, hypnosis, and false swipe as well as getting the ability Illuminate, making encounters faster. If you are full odds shiny hunting in gen 5, It is essential to have at the front to of your party.
I loved the Elemental Monkees I wish they all got Mega Evolutions.
It's a shame they evolve via evolution stone, because to me they'd be prime candidates for a 3rd evo via evolution stone lol.
@flyingoctopus4304 happiny evolves via stone as a 1st stage so it's not unprecedented
@@dengar96 You're right, I forgot about that.
I'm sure if GF wanted to they could figure something out, I just don't think they'll do something with the monkeys.
Spinda is my absolute favorite, and i was so upset when i found out I couldnt get them out of BDSP or Go. Let my children free 😡
Love seeing some Simipour love, it's unironically one of my favourite Pokemon. Such a little guy
In all seriousness Patrat will probably be in Z-A for the sole purpose of Gamefreak being able to shut down Bank, aside from that and Unova remakes he will never be in a game again though.
watchog is one of the few pokemon i genuinely dislike, i'm alright with most of the others but watchog (and also patrat) are some of the few exceptions
worst thing is, i don't even know why i hate it
Trauma froma Lenora's Watchog in the second gym, that mf was brutal
I actually like patrat for some reason. Watchog can kiss my ass though mostly due to Principal Watchog from super Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
These hundreds of Plasma Battle when it confused and paralyzed your entire team, even though they should have been defeated 10 turns ago.
Funny you make this video, since the official Pokémon channel made a community post with Karen's obnoxious "use your favourite Pokémon" speech, and one of the first comments addresses the Dexit.
In addition of having the coldest stance of all mons, watchog is the best pokemon to use while shiny hunting in ds/3ds era due to its movepool and illuminate ability
This is unrelated but dracovish in the corner is the highlight of my days
Spinda IS available in HOME, it just can't transfer between HOME and GO or BDSP because in GO the spot patterns work differently and in BDSP they're bugged and displayed differently.
I will say….. Pokedoku helps me remember some of these freaks (affectionate)
I think people are still mad at Watchog because it kicked their ass in the second gym in BW.
Lv 20 is pretty high at that point in the game, stab retaliate kills almost everything that isn't Roggenrola, and, most importantly:
Hypnosis lets it spiral out of control extremely quickly
I'm torn on the handful that are still gone as somebody who loves the monkeys more than most, but also loathes Furfrou because of what people have done to the GTS with it.
I think it would be hilarious if it came back in Legends ZA and its trait of losing its trim when put into the PC was removed with game freak not telling anybody before launch, so all the folks using the GTS as a museum to show off instead of a trading service lost their fancy shinies and legendaries without warning.
I think the monkeys are cool as both a game element in Gen 5 and just looking kinda cool Frufrou is a neat Poke and has Bite, so is good enough for story, at least. Spinda is just cute, but Watchog ain't for me.
I adore Gen V with all my heart, but it’s nature as a soft reboot of Kanto really hurt the type diversity of its Dex . The monkeys could have had secondary types to help distinguish them a bit better outside their gimmick.
I remember using Retaliate Furfrou in gen 6-7 PU, it was honestly a pretty reliable and stylish revenge killer
Great to see another Watchog appreciator!
Watchog was my very first Shiny pokemon. Thank you for appreciating The Boi
omg thank u i also love watchog… finally, a true watchog understander…
Analytic gets a boost on switch in which still doesnt help watchog because nothing is switching out in front of it anyway.
Watchog, the Pokemon version of the Devil.
The Gen 5 games made extra sure they would let the worst possible image on player. Lenora's Watchog is the only tome in Pokemon history Watchog was an offensive threat.
And then it's in every single Plasma team, knowing every single status move that only serve to limit their unavoidable demise, but will randomly costs you everything.
And they're not even good when you use them! (Stoutland being absolutely amazing just makes it worse.)
I don't hate the little guy, because the deck has been so heavily stacked against it!
For me, the elemental monkeys are BY FAR the most overhated pokemon.
I never thought about it before, but Watchog deserves an evolution
The Furfrou disrespect Game freak gives them will not be tolerated 😤
These mons are great, just wish they did more :(
I LOVE the elemental monkeys so much I want them to get the eevee treatment. Give me a rainbow of monkeys of every type
id really like that ngl, or at the very least a fighting psychic dark type trio
I love how raw this list of raw Pokémon is. So raw
I know it has nothing to do with the video beyond them being in it, but as the only fan of Simisear in the world, I despise Simipour so much. Of the monkeys, it got slightly more popular (from what I've seen) for looking stoned, when it clearly was never intended, meanwhile the culinary monkey that has the most culinary themed appearance and name got sidelined for seemingly no reason?
Like, Simisear, Simipour, and SImisage all have Gluttony as their only ability, not including Hidden, which would be either impossible to get or extremely tedious (in BW, not BW2, those idk). On top of that, Simisear and Simisage are both named after things used in cooking directly. You sear the meat, you put sage as a seasoning. Plus, sage and sear also work as sage and seer, two related concepts for mystical people (idk how else to describe them). The pan part of their unevolved forms also is in reference to pans (like, frying pan, sauce pan), linking them more to cooking, along with Cilan (Cilantro), Chili (Chili) and Cress (I'll get to him later) and mostly chef trainers using them (especially in Kalos). Seperately, the tail of Pansear ends in a little fireball, becoming a stream of flames in evolution, Pansage's ends with twin leaves and Simisage gets slightly bigger leaves (rather boring, honestly), but that makes them all match up, 1 fireball, 1 flame stream, 2 leaves, 2 big leaves.
Then there is Simipour. While Simisage had some clear problems (boring tail, not very cooking related in appearance, but the appearance thing for Simisear is just that it's belly is a bit bigger like it's gluttonous or somthing), Simipour and Panpour are awful. Firstly, all the other monkeys follow a 2 syllable P S and 3 syllable S S naming scheme. For some reason, while the syllables are right, they chose to make it pour, as in downpour, not even a cooking term (You can pour water, oil, flour, etc. into something, but unlike the others the cooking is less prevalent, rather a consequence that the word downpour contains pour. Mix/stir in would make more sense as a cooking term, since those are more clear for when combining things.), and it also does not match up with the other two monkeys letter pattern at all. The monkeys all share a '3 wise monkeys' motif' and the Seer and Sage fit perfectly, but Simipour is just... Impoverished? A better name, in my opinion, would have been Panstir and Simistir, since you stir in ingredients when cooking, it includes the P S and S S name pattern, sounds like Sinister (a trait that makes more sense for a wise old man than simply saying "he's poor therefore he's wise") and adds more potential for interaction between the monkeys (like, group infighting where Simisear see the mischievous acts of Simistir before they happen and Simisage attempt to lead them on the right path, while Simistir just plays along for fun). Cress, additionally, is named not after a watery thing, but the HERB Garden/Water Cress, a plant. He could've been named after a soup or something, but instead having two herb/spice/whatever you wanna call it gym leaders and Chili was what they wanted to do.
Back to tails, Panpour has a 3-leaf clover shape, perfect for the "Who's That Pokemon" quiz in Lumiose City, but awful for making something look like a water type. Switch with Pansage's, and it would look like rain drops and a clover instead, without even needing to recolor it. Simipour, meanwhile, has a water spout at the end of its tail (unlike Simisear and Simisage, where their entire tails change to either red or green, not just the tips), with SIX ball shapes, being the only monkey not to match with the pre-evolution in tail tip amount. And while Simisear and Simisage both have a pants fur pattern, Simipour also decides not to match their by going for a bid/shirt pattern instead, making them look even more out of place. The top of Panpour's head also looks like a tree, similar to Pansage's, but both look a bit awkward so I won't discredit one more than the other on that one. However, I will say that both look ridiculous and should have had more effort put into their head fur design, like Pansear's single flame on it's head that splits into 2 additional flames on evolution. Additionally, the white fur each simian has is around the shoulders area (and eyebrows, in Simiage's case, but it has a more aggressive look so that fits), but all that Simipour gets is a bib on top of the bib design, no extra white anywhere, so it looks less varied across the body than the other two (not to mention the general lankiness).
And then movesets, specifically looking at Gen 5 since that was when they were fresh, while Pansage and Pansear were given the more balanced Seed Bomb and Flame Burst at level 22, they decided Panpour needed some help and gave it Scald, a move so broken they took it away from the majority of Pokemon that got it. Not to mention the rather scarce water-types along the main routes of Unova (since you don't need Surf to beat the game, and things like Alomomola need you to back track), Panpour was just set to win against the other two in a battle for relevancy, especially if you consider that all the monkeys get Acrobatics, and with their quite high speed stats, Simipour could easily beat a lot of the grass-types that would counter it. Even though they only gave Simisage Grass Knot and Simisear Fire Blast at level 34, they decided that Simipour should be all set before you even get the HM for Surf at Twist Mountain. Simisage doesn't even need to learn Grass Knot by level up, considering they give you a TM for it extremely early in the game, but they just couldn't let it have a better move at level 34 apparently. All that generosity ran out at level 22. This also doesn't even take into account that Simipour can learn Dig for electric types, Grass Knot for water types and Ice Beam/Blizzard for anything else that should beat it. I will specify, I am mainly complaining from an in-game playthrough perspective, but the power imbalance between them is absolutely ridiculous, and it all goes to the worst of the worst.
Overall, Simisear is the best, Simisage is alright, and Simipour should never have been allowed to pass off as a member of the elemental monkey trio. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Great video, btw, glad to see Simisear finally get some good coverage! Would've rathered less Simipour, though. /lh
Tbh they really dropped the ball on watchog, Watchog should definitely be slower to synergize with the analytic (which would also have lore synergy with how patrat are very observant, which may be why watchog has analytic to begin with?) or have been given intimidate since the pokedex entry literally states they use their bright coats to intimidate would be predators.
Then again is not the first time they give analytic to a pokemon that has no business having it (Hello starmie with 115 base speed)
They could also replace Analytic with Steakout
Analytic is a budget Steakout when you really think about it
watchog through any way you look at it, feels like a 2nd stage of a 3 stage line
"Illuminate does nothing, Keen Eye does basically nothing since accuracy lowering moves are banned"
ALSO Illuminate was changed in Gen 9, it now has... THE SAME EFFECT AS KEEN EYE!!
>pansear and watchdog are neglected
*I'm Zelda's cdi voice:* good
i love watchog actually, always have :)
I am obsessed with bibarel, sawsbuck, and pyroar there all normal types with the starter type triangle all released on generation after another.
I wish we got another normal/water type aside from Bibarel. Tried to use Bibarel in BDSP and even Simple+Sword's Dance couldn't get it through the Elite 4.
Watchog uses analytic because it's budget stake out and gets the buff on switches
Shotout to furfrou it was one of my favorite mons when i was like 7 because i had a card of it(then i lost the card and never thought about it again)
Furforu became a dog based currency
Pu can be fun but if pokemon is in zu it's not playable it's only tiered because untied got too big
they generally do have metagames, but yeah they're fanmade. old gen zu formats are still going strong tho which is p cool
Does ANYONE like Cryogonal?
me! cryogonal is pretty awesome
Cryogonal is unique in this world for it is a snowflake and that's how snowflakes work. I made out with it once back in the summer of 2012, but that's a story for another day
Randbats Cryogonal has rapid spin, great special bulk, and recover. It is really good and I'm almost never sad to have it on my team, even if it can't touch fire and steel types(its moveset is rapid spin, recover, freeze-dry, and flash cannon with HDB and tera steel).
It knows Attract, but it always falls because it's genderless. It's just like me fr fr!
(I genuinely love it!)
Finally, someone who doesn't arbitrarily hate on gen 5 mons.
Are these people in the room with us ?
yippee
Yk times are dire when "mf Focus Blast" is seen as a good thing
What’s the most sad about spinda is that bc of coding errors involving the spots every spinda you catch cannot be put into home along with that if you have a spinda in home that was caught in other games it cannot go into bdsp
The issue is an endianness problem, where old gen Spindas would have their spot determination reversed from BDSP spindas. I think Spindas from Go can't be sent to Home either, but I think that is likely a design choice. The special Valentine's one is unique where the shiny doesn't match the base form ( the heart is broken on the shiny)
Wait... I dont get it... I have a spinda in HOME
I really enjoyed using Watchog in Pokemon Tectonic. All pokemon had averaged BSTs, and Watchog got both Glare and a special-defense version of Fur Coat. It was my dedicated boss killer with Super Fang and a special-defense version of Rocky Helmet, aptly called the Hi-Vis Vest. Shout out to fangames that actually try to and succeed in fixing "shitmons" like my boy Watchog.
Also he was funny in Super Mystery Dungeon.
Ill never understand why people dont like the Elemental Monkys, theyve always been so neat!! Its even worse when you learn Simisear was considered the least popular pokemon of all time in a poll back in like 2019 or something ;-;
I keep forgetting furfrou is a dog because the word "fur" in pokemon autocompletes in my head to "Furret"
-Furfrou is one weird lookin mustelid-
edit: Watchog isn't a rodent :P
Furfrou should never come back. It knows what it did (was annoying to fight in early game USUM)
apparently carnivine is in legends arceus which i didn't know. still can't use my boy competitively though, what a sham.
Spinda is my favorite Pokemon of all time. I desperately hope it gets any kind of love in any way in the future. My funny little drunk bunny bear baby thing.
Gen V should have been when they introduced regional forms. Most pokemon there are basically gen 1 rehashes.
SPINDA HAS SKILL SWAP WITH CONTRARY. it’s so funny in doubles but hard to set up.
I ran scarf to give it speed and skill swap to an arcanine with cc overheat dragon pulse + morning sun. (Gen 6) hard part was finding the turn to get it going but now we have covert cloak to block fake out it doesn’t seeem impossible but I’ll never get to try it
I like Patrat, but Vice-Principal Watchog honestly turned me off of said Pokémon. It's like a reverse Grovyle. Yes, I know that's a dumb reason to dislike a Pokémon, but still.
Mark my words, we're getting a Simi Paradox pokemon that's Simisear, Simipour, and Simisage wrapped up in one and it WILL be an ubers level threat.
It's going to be a normal type with wildly even stats and a movepool that makes mew's look like childplay.
AND, it'll be known by its crazy hair that'll look like Simisears, Simipours, and Simisages from afar like Iron Valiant.
*I hope for this so much despite because I'm tired of forgetting these monkeys exist*
Watchog line is handy for EV training physical Attackers, which is why Route 19 & Route 7 are some of my favorite places in B2W2.
Thank you for the Watchog defense. Appreciate it
But also can we talk about Purugly I think we should talk about Purugly :3
Why has Gamefreak never made an early game mon that evolves early, but with a third stage that evolves late? Like with Watchog, you're meant to pick him up early and evolve him so you have a semi-strong pokemon for the first couple gyms who then falls off, but Gen 5 introduced so many pokemon who evolve after level 40 and are pretty powerful when evolved, but why did they never mix the two ideas? Watchog could have had another evolution at level 55 that had 550 BST and could actually be useful against the Elite Four. It would have been the perfect way to subvert the expectation of the early route rodent.
Dude I don’t play modern day Pokémon, and I was never a competitive player at any point, even though I only understand half of the shit you’re saying I still really like your videos and your off screen charisma. Keep up the good work!
Fun fact: patrat has not been catchable in the wild since gen 5, IT’S DEBUT GENERATION.
Pokemon SV pokedex was painfully full of popular returning pokemon, hoping they reconsider this, and i will accept no slander for the elemental monkeys, they’ve been through enough hate and neglect
furfrou (specifically debutante) is actually my favorite pokemon, im so glad PLZA is gonna have it (unless the trailer is full of lies)
These are early route, gimmick Pokemon so they are bound to be bad, but then again, this begs the question why GameFreak thinks that such Pokemon needs to be bad? Why can't we have a gimmick Pokemon that's also good in competitive? I mean we do have some, but that's really not the case for a lot of them.
what's very funny about spinda is that the only way to get super power on it is through gen 5 dream world, you can't teach it this move otherwise so it's locked to a very specific mechanic in a specific gen, and all spindas from BDSP have their spot values reversed from other gens, and this has resulted in them being untransferrable from pokemon home, locking them out of being able to be transferred at all in a future gen with no signs of this issue being fixed EVER. Spinda not only learns no other moves that will drop it's own stats, has terrible stats, and learns no useful moves that can be considered for competetive, it is locked out of being in other gens thanks to how BDSP decided to change up the code that determines it's own spot patterns
Experienced doubles players remember the Spinda/Arcanine strats in Gen 6, they were never great (mostly bc you had to run Spinda) but they were there!
I honestly thought Watchog got stakeout as an ability, and I was gonna say with a choice scarf and retaliate maybe it can serve as a strong revenge killer who also covers them swapping into a bulky mon but. Damn, really got nothing. At least they’re cute
I know Minior sucks, but I will never forget them. Especially my shiny one with rainbow sprinkles.
I'll never stop singing their praises for eliminating the idea of the Elemental Monkeys. Literally the greatest thing they have ever done.
It's to the point if i show a picture of them to even the biggest Pokemon fans they cannot accurately name them, so mission accomplished.
Shout out to Normal type gym leader Lenora for kicking my ass with her lvl 20 hypnosis + retaliate Watchog
Cherens Simipour is actually a bit of a monster, stab mystic water scald does a big chunk of damage, and its most likely your Grass or electric type at that point will be physical, scald can burn and cripple then completly.
i'll never forget watchong's crimes, he spamed confuse ray and hypnosis on my pokemon in BW and i will never forget or forgive that demon rat
The monkeys should get drizzle, drought and grassy surge respectively. Realistically they'll still be bad but at least they'll be better than what they are now
We apparently have to have some bad mons you are only supposed to use early in play throughs and change out for better things later on, like tackle or bubble are as moves. Idk why they can just toss these guys into the terrarium though.
watchog really came in clutch fo rme, first time nuzocke vs the gym leaders watchog, they missed hypnosis, i hit, so great memory, but.... not a great testometn to a great early game carry if you use it that way
I have a Watchog named Carol in my GO dex that I will immediately transfer to the next game she appears in. Watchog is overhated and deserves more love!