Sad as this is for her, I find it ironic that Kosem interrupted one girl's night with the sultan, only to have that same night with him interrupted when Mahfiruz went into labour.
Hi didn’t promise Kosem that her first prince would be named Osman but he did “proclaim” that she would give birth to his first prince. All in all it’s a sour situation.
Amira Djiar bruh chill, and no he didn’t. And why are you replying the same thing everyday? You need to go watch the scene again. He said Kosem would have his first son since he loved her so much he assumed she would give birth to the first. He then said he would name his first born Osman. No where did he promise to name HER first born Osman, just HIS first born; which was not hers.
hi! I found knew history paragraf. According to cortarini gevherhan was born 1603(15.11) when ahmed like sehzade sadduced yong mahpeyker hatun osman was born in 1604 from mahfiruz in 8.3.1605 was born twin to kosem sultan mehmed and ayse. in 11.3.1605 was born another child (son) from third woman. this source mention even ottavino bon he finds himself in a relationship with three women, two sons and two daughter: kosem mahpeyker gevherhan 15.11.1603-Ps.: cortarini said that ahmed like sehzade sadduced yong concubine named mahpeyker. mehmed suyerra said that the first child was born 15.11.1603 but according to him it was osman . but borekci and cortarini said that this child was daughter not son. borekci after his succession he names her gevherhan. cortarini "he let married two daughter 9 years old and 7 years old. ayse and gevherhan were married in the same year fabruary 1612 -7=1605(8.3.)(george sandys ayse was second daughter and second child ahmed I from kosem 1612 -9=1603(15.11.) ahmed saduced yong mahpeyker. mehmed 8.3.1605 ayse 8.3.1605 Mahfiruz sultan Osman 1604 - third wife is in expectation in 11.3.1605 she was born another son to ahmed I.(tezcan 8.3.1605 was born mehmed, borekci 11.3.1605 another son was born. it is apparently that third wife who mention Bon was in expectation because according to borekci 3 days afther what sehzade mehmed was born in 11.3.1605 was born another son from another woman. now it that makes sense! what ottaviano bon and george sandys says.
I feel so sad for Nasia / Kosem 💔 Her Sultan totally forget about her 💔 She was just looking at him from a far 💔😭 If I were her, I will escape again. I can't stant the pain 💔 So sad 💔
But Ahmed loved her only from his heart. He married her. And rest all his children were from kosem. I too would not have escaped and stayed with Ahmed till death as his love was pure. And in those days the Sultan had kept many women but as concubines. It's not that shocking but kosem was his only wife
Damn they used to have so many concubines and consorts in their so called harem. What is an harem? A place were they keep toy girls for the emperor's amusement and sex feast. Why couldn't they have just one wife?
@@butterfly24138 but they failed to make any provisions to stop the blood bath that generally happens for the throne once the king of no more. However, weren't the children born of consorts and concubines all bastards. Did they have any legitimacy as an heir?
@@butterfly24138 i agree, but they were shown to be following Islam. Islam never allowes blood of innocents to be spelt (of course in the current scenario they give you the twisted and battered version) and there are laws regarding inheritance.
Out of anger that dilbura girl said, may it be a girl. I feel bad for the impact it must have in her. She herself is a girl n she knows the birth of one is more of a curse
current eu source say that mahfiruze had at least 3 childrens osman II. della valle - gevherhan sultan. christoforo vallier also say that ahmed had from mahfiruze two sons. current eu source say that mahfiruze died at 1606 when ahmed married kosem for his legal wife. george syndys say that mahfiruze started be dead at the moment. alderson say that ahmed I had son who was born at 1606 mayby mahfiruze died afther what her second born son was born
had I been kosem i would stay with Ahmed because his love was pure and enough to stay in the palace. He may have many concubines but only one wife kosem from whom he had children
dead mahfiruz: important think: sir thomas shirley an english traveller says that in august 1605 died one woman in harem it was night month afther born sehzade osman, eldest son ahmed I. tezcan says that mahfiuz could died infront of dead handan valide sultan after the birth of her son and many historians thought that night month afther osman was born another son from mahfiruz(mehmed). source says he (ahmed) had two sons from the living sultana and two sons from the dead sultana. it is not chance that sir thomas shirley says that in august 1605 died one woman in harem (accordng to him handan, but it could be mahfiruz) also they are mention that in august another son from mahfiruz was born. so in august 1605 thomas shirley says that one woman in harem died. it was night months afther osman. so it is possible that mahfiruz trully died after the birth of her second son but it was not mehmed. "he had two sons from the dead sultana and two from the living one but there is knew thoery . she could also died in smallpox. sir thomas shirley says that ahmed soon afther his acccession was infected with smallpox and almost died. this situacion discribe also many ambassadors. george syndys 1610(1605/1606)"it started be dead by whom he had eldest" george sundays also says that ahmed had with her (kosem ) 5 children yet. he had two sons from living one. achille de harley 1611(1605 she brought total five or six children(this woman was kosem not mahfiruz. and in december 1605 is mention about daughter who was born- ayse night month afther mehmed.george syndys says that mahfiruz didn´t died in august because she started be dead in december when ayse sultan and another son from kosem was born. also ottaviano bon says that ahmed finds himself in a relationship with three women it is possibility that in august 1605 died another woman, december died mahfiruz and then two kids from kosem almoro nani 1614(1606?) he had woman who is ok(kosem) but more aggressive than other because theyre son died as a child he had two son from kosem(living sultana, tezcan there was one son who died year afther his born) achille de harley 1611(1605/1606) when one of the two daughters died all in the palace were buried. not son living sultana but eldest name osman , orphan of hs mother for ten years achille de harley(26 february 1618) letter was sent and written after execution nasuv pasha 1616-10=1606- achille de harley twice says that mahfiuz died on smallpox. so there are two the most popular theory about the dead of mahfiruz. she could die after giving birth to her second son in August 1605(because afther osman birt are mention about the third son infront of her dead- but it is not mehmed, because this son wasn´t alive when osman ascended the throne or the second varriant she could died on smallpox 1606 during which also died one son and one daughter from kosem sultan- because almoro nani, george syndys and achille de harley talked about three or four deaths in the harem in 1605/1606 children ahmed I gevherhan 1603-kosem(pietro dela valle coratrini) the first daughter from kosem, he had three daughter´s eldest is 9 in 1612 she ´s beloved by king) osman -mahfiruz sehzade mehmed 8.3.1605-kosem. he had from her three daughter´s exept her eldest son (mehmed) one son and one dadugter died fatma 8.3.1605- kosem, one of two daughter´s died, he (ahmed) had daughter who survived he keeps her with him all the time. historians kosem had in 1605 two daughter, soe think that three) daughter 8.3.1605-december 1605/1606 son august 1605- mahfiruz mayby sarted be dead ayse deceber 1605-kosem(kosem was not happy when her daughter was born because it was for four time what she gave birth a daughter while her opponent gave birth to a son for the second time) son december 1605-1606-he had two sons from living one. some source says that ayse had twin. mahfiruz had at least two sons kosem- she brought total five or six childrens (de harley). ahmed had with kosem 5 children when mahfiruz in 1605/1606 started be dead. source says that kosem first daughter was born afther rise of ahmed I. then 8.3.1605 was born triples one daughter died. and in december night month afther mehmed and fatma was born ayse and her another son.(source mention twins) he had two sons 7 years old ayse was married in 1612 to nasuv pasha(she had been her four daughter). tezcan afther dead handan sultan started receive 1000 asper. this situacion also discribe almoro nani she brought to him many children.according to syndys and de harley 5 or 6 while mhfiruz only two sons
Really I wouldn’t have minded at all if both mother and son died in labour it would have saved everyone a lot less hassle and mehmet might have lived how sad both survived😢
I dont know why the new actres of Mahfiruz facial look much close to the 1st episode actress Anastasia (Kosem) It would better cause the new Kosem actress. Im sorry she didnt give much vibe or personality of Anastasia 🤔
Am I the only one not appreciating Mahfiruze Beauty? There’s something not that beautiful on her. Not so attractive unlike Kosem and Halime Sultan’s beauties even Fariye Sultan (daughter of Safiye Sultan). Their beauties are very undeniably immaculate but this one (mahfiruze) her beauty is indescribable. 😅
On 100% children kosem- sehzade Mehmed, Ayse sultan, Fatma sultan, Handzade sultan, Murad IV, sehzade Kasim, Ibrahim I. Ps.: source also says that infront murad had another two prince, like achille de harley says that kosem had infront of Murad another son Orhan? alderson says that second son kosem was born 29.8.1609, what a coincident- or mayby it is also chihangir? he symply says that only Mahfiruze and Kosem had sons to the born Murad and beyazid, it is so reason why they are so powerfull. I think that chihangir was born to kosem not mahfiruze. in this case kosem had 7 sons- Mehmed, Chihangir, Orhan, Selim, Murad, Kasim, Ibrahim achille de harley simply says that kosem had another son infront of born Murad, alderson second son kosem was born 29.8.1609. almoro nani says that in 1614 - 1611? there were another son from kosem who died at infancy. Mayby selim- who is according to one letter, together with orhan sons Kosem, but he says that kosem has for now two daughter he didn´t mention handzade? mayby it could be also chihangir. almoro says that kosem was much influence that mahfiuze infront of born murad had mahfiruze two son according to me osman and sulejman. But if is true that kosem was much more influence than mahfiuze, kosem had much more sons that mahfiruze. I think that chihangir, Orhan and selim could be also sons kosem. some source says that sulejman was born infront of murad and beyazid that kosem had infront of Murad three sons orhan, sulejman and selim- in this case sulejman was change for chihangir. It could be - handzade was born 1608 and in 1609 was born chihangir and orhan, chihangir and orhan were twins according to me- sezhade mehmed 1605, ayse sultan 1605, Fatma 1606, Handzade 1608?, Orhan and chihangir both were born as twin 1609(mayby 29.8 source alderson) selim 1611, Murad, Kasim, Ibrahim Mahfiruze four sons (source achille de harley) Osman, Sulejman, Beyazid and Huseyin Almoro Nani in his report of 1614: (...) There is a Greek woman(kosem) whom the Sultan loves very much. He had many children from her. That's why the Palace is very influential. Sultan's the first wife(mahfiruze), also has many children. This woman is very influential, and there is no other powerful person in the Palace other than these two women. (...)The Bosnian woman, the second wife (kosem) of the Sultan, was a very quiet person. Since their son died in infancy, only two daughters are alive now (...) Since a few years ago Sultan exiled his wife, who was a Georgian- (Ps.:according to cortarini- safavid sultan -georgian princesses was another wife ahmed I, according to him and leslie perci there weas a woman who was exepled from palace in 1612), from Saray, now he has no other wife except these three women (...) Christoforo Vallier'in 1614 senesine ait raporlarından: (..) Ahmet had four children(from her mahfiruze) so far. The biggest of them is Şehzade Osman. He had only one daughter who survived. (...) There is also his wife, who is Greek(kosem), he was more combative than Circassian(Mahfiruze). From the report of the Austrian Ambassador Hermann Czernin in 1616: if years 1614 was 1611/1612 -1616 will be 1613(infront born kasim (...) The Turkish Bey has many children. His first wife(mahfiruze) and mother of his eldest son were an elegant Circassian noble. Turk has four sons and a daughter from this woman. He has three sons and three daughters from his second wife, a Greek woman(kosem) . The Greek woman was a very good musician and enchanted her husband with music (...) Herman mention mahfiruze´s four son Huseyin b.1613? He has three sons and three daughter Mehmed, another son(orhan?), Murad, Ayse, fatma, Handzade. he says what nani and de harley kosem had more sons the second son who was mention by achile de harley, was still alive when mahfiruze was born four son huseyin. Mahfiruze had only four Osman, sulejman, Beyazid and Huseyin kosem mayby seven Mehmed, Chihangir?, Orhan, selim, murad, kasim, Ibrahim I have to emphasize what he said what achille de harley says Mahfiruze had one daugher who survived Giovanni Mocenigo's report from 1604: (...) He had three daughters from the dead Sultan(Mahfiruze sultan), except his son(osman) (...) achille de harley and giovanni says that mahfiruze had three daughter only one survived . according to historians there were four daughters who died in infaci? when they were at a yong age. hadice, esma, zahide and zeynep. two of these four will be definiteli from mahfiruze. for children - Osman, gevherhan, sulejman between 1609-1611- achile de harley he had two sons from de dead sultan . some source says that sulejman was born to mahfiruze in 1609/1610 ulucay says that sulejman was born 1611, -beyazid1612- Ps.: valier also says that that greeck woman (kosem) was more combative than Mahfiruze. according to me because she lost one of his son or maby two. christoforo vaiere and almoro nani 1614- 1611/1612? says that kosem could have had much sons than mahfiruze and much sons than mehmed and murad
current eu source say that mahfiruze had at least 3 childrens osman II. della valle - gevherhan sultan. christoforo vallier also say that ahmed had from mahfiruze two sons. current eu source say that mahfiruze died at 1606 when ahmed married kosem for his legal wife. george syndys say that mahfiruze started be dead at the moment. alderson say that ahmed I had son who was born at 1606 mayby mahfiruze died afther what her second born son was born
Sad as this is for her, I find it ironic that Kosem interrupted one girl's night with the sultan, only to have that same night with him interrupted when Mahfiruz went into labour.
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Sad as this is for her i find it ironic that Kosem interrupted one girls night with the sultan only to have that
I wish Ahmed and his Kosem could have had a normal life together.😢
Halime sultan is soooo beautiful 👍❤️
He promised kosem that he would name his and kosem's first prince as osman. He broke his promise😑
He never promised to kosem but he say that his first child name Will be osman in the name of first sultan of ottoman empire
Hi didn’t promise Kosem that her first prince would be named Osman but he did “proclaim” that she would give birth to his first prince. All in all it’s a sour situation.
Amira Djiar bruh chill, and no he didn’t. And why are you replying the same thing everyday? You need to go watch the scene again. He said Kosem would have his first son since he loved her so much he assumed she would give birth to the first. He then said he would name his first born Osman. No where did he promise to name HER first born Osman, just HIS first born; which was not hers.
Poor Osman killed brutally
No ! He said he would name his first son Osman
The fact that ahmed had osman at the age of 14🗿
Really!?? 😨😨😱
Who makes kids when thier kids
i am also 14
He had all of his children young was 27 or 28 when he died
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Its ironic how kosem became osman mother and doted on him
0:59 read the translation!!!omg so funny lol😂😂😂😂
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Omg lol 😂
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Thanks from Australia ! 👍🌏🌞
Kosem has damm patient
Why is the king standing outside ? Labour can takes hours & days , kings use to carry on with their routine & were told about birth later .
hi!
I found knew history paragraf.
According to cortarini gevherhan was born 1603(15.11) when ahmed like sehzade sadduced yong mahpeyker hatun
osman was born in 1604 from mahfiruz
in 8.3.1605 was born twin to kosem sultan mehmed and ayse.
in 11.3.1605 was born another child (son) from third woman.
this source mention even ottavino bon
he finds himself in a relationship with three women, two sons and two daughter:
kosem mahpeyker
gevherhan 15.11.1603-Ps.: cortarini said that ahmed like sehzade sadduced yong concubine named mahpeyker. mehmed suyerra said that the first child was born 15.11.1603 but according to him it was osman . but borekci and cortarini said that this child was daughter not son. borekci after his succession he names her gevherhan. cortarini "he let married two daughter 9 years old and 7 years old. ayse and gevherhan were married in the same year
fabruary 1612 -7=1605(8.3.)(george sandys ayse was second daughter and second child ahmed I from kosem
1612 -9=1603(15.11.) ahmed saduced yong mahpeyker.
mehmed 8.3.1605
ayse 8.3.1605
Mahfiruz sultan
Osman 1604
- third wife is in expectation in 11.3.1605 she was born another son to ahmed I.(tezcan 8.3.1605 was born mehmed, borekci 11.3.1605 another son was born. it is apparently that third wife who mention Bon was in expectation because according to borekci 3 days afther what sehzade mehmed was born in 11.3.1605 was born another son from another woman.
now it that makes sense! what ottaviano bon and george sandys says.
They need to work on their labor scenario's, labor doesn't go from nothing to pushing in 5 seconds flat
But no one likes to see a 10-hours long labour. If I would, for example, I would make myself a baby 🙃
They need to work on their labor scenarios labor doesn't go from nothing to pushing in
They should have kept the original actresses.
They couldn't
The new actress looks like his mom.
@@지구인-h3c she is older than him and first actress was younger than him.
6:18 This look between them🔥❗️
It's a very sad life in castles.. never sho5one suffer like this.
Tragic end for both mahfiruze and her son Osman 😢
The heir first, love next.
I like Zulfikar and Darvis
I feel so sad for Nasia / Kosem 💔 Her Sultan totally forget about her 💔 She was just looking at him from a far 💔😭
If I were her, I will escape again. I can't stant the pain 💔 So sad 💔
But Ahmed loved her only from his heart. He married her. And rest all his children were from kosem. I too would not have escaped and stayed with Ahmed till death as his love was pure. And in those days the Sultan had kept many women but as concubines. It's not that shocking but kosem was his only wife
@@tupk4816 no he didn't married .
I feel so sad for nasia Kosem her sultan totally foret about her she wad
@@reshmee6285 he married her but after 7 childrens 😂😂
I feel so sad for naisa / Kosem her sultan totally forget about her she was just looking at him from a far
Why did Ahmet continue to sleep with Mahfiruz if he and Kosem fell in love?
Damn they used to have so many concubines and consorts in their so called harem.
What is an harem? A place were they keep toy girls for the emperor's amusement and sex feast.
Why couldn't they have just one wife?
Because in that time a lot of kids died young or at birth and the dynasty had to make sure it has who to carry on.
@@butterfly24138 but they failed to make any provisions to stop the blood bath that generally happens for the throne once the king of no more. However, weren't the children born of consorts and concubines all bastards. Did they have any legitimacy as an heir?
Mizaan S It was the 16 century, you really think they cared? They just wanted someone on the throne
@@butterfly24138 i agree, but they were shown to be following Islam. Islam never allowes blood of innocents to be spelt (of course in the current scenario they give you the twisted and battered version) and there are laws regarding inheritance.
Mizaan S Perhaps their way of interpreting Islam was another though
Out of anger that dilbura girl said, may it be a girl. I feel bad for the impact it must have in her. She herself is a girl n she knows the birth of one is more of a curse
its not a curse. being born a boy is worse because brothers were killed when a new sultan took the throne, but sisters were spared
What episode is this?
current eu source say that mahfiruze had at least 3 childrens osman II. della valle - gevherhan sultan. christoforo vallier also say that ahmed had from mahfiruze two sons. current eu source say that mahfiruze died at 1606 when ahmed married kosem for his legal wife. george syndys say that mahfiruze started be dead at the moment. alderson say that ahmed I had son who was born at 1606 mayby mahfiruze died afther what her second born son was born
Mahfiruze hatuj had three sons, osman, bayezid and hussein
I feel very pity amd sad for kosem
Kosems sons became sultan tho right ?
Yes.Murad IV and Ibrahim I.
@@Blackberry-qd9kh also Osman became sultan
@@roseinapoqortooyo3875 but he wasn't kosem's son.
Kesem's heart was broken...
Hate this series due to lot of concubines 🤮🤮...if l was Kosem l would rather marry Alexander 😔,,.
had I been kosem i would stay with Ahmed because his love was pure and enough to stay in the palace. He may have many concubines but only one wife kosem from whom he had children
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dead mahfiruz:
important think:
sir thomas shirley an english traveller says that in august 1605 died one woman in harem it was night month afther born sehzade osman, eldest son ahmed I. tezcan says that mahfiuz could died infront of dead handan valide sultan after the birth of her son and many historians thought that night month afther osman was born another son from mahfiruz(mehmed). source says he (ahmed) had two sons from the living sultana and two sons from the dead sultana.
it is not chance that sir thomas shirley says that in august 1605 died one woman in harem (accordng to him handan, but it could be mahfiruz) also they are mention that in august another son from mahfiruz was born.
so in august 1605 thomas shirley says that one woman in harem died. it was night months afther osman. so it is possible that mahfiruz trully died after the birth of her second son but it was not mehmed. "he had two sons from the dead sultana and two from the living one
but there is knew thoery .
she could also died in smallpox.
sir thomas shirley says that ahmed soon afther his acccession was infected with smallpox and almost died.
this situacion discribe also many ambassadors.
george syndys 1610(1605/1606)"it started be dead by whom he had eldest" george sundays also says that ahmed had with her (kosem ) 5 children yet. he had two sons from living one. achille de harley 1611(1605 she brought total five or six children(this woman was kosem not mahfiruz. and in december 1605 is mention about daughter who was born- ayse night month afther mehmed.george syndys says that mahfiruz didn´t died in august because she started be dead in december when ayse sultan and another son from kosem was born. also ottaviano bon says that ahmed finds himself in a relationship with three women it is possibility that in august 1605 died another woman, december died mahfiruz and then two kids from kosem
almoro nani 1614(1606?) he had woman who is ok(kosem) but more aggressive than other because theyre son died as a child he had two son from kosem(living sultana, tezcan there was one son who died year afther his born)
achille de harley 1611(1605/1606) when one of the two daughters died all in the palace were buried.
not son living sultana but eldest name osman , orphan of hs mother for ten years achille de harley(26 february 1618) letter was sent and written after execution nasuv pasha 1616-10=1606- achille de harley twice says that mahfiuz died on smallpox.
so there are two the most popular theory about the dead of mahfiruz.
she could die after giving birth to her second son in August 1605(because afther osman birt are mention about the third son infront of her dead- but it is not mehmed, because this son wasn´t alive when osman ascended the throne or the second varriant she could died on smallpox 1606 during which also died one son and one daughter from kosem sultan- because almoro nani, george syndys and achille de harley talked about three or four deaths in the harem in 1605/1606
children ahmed I
gevherhan 1603-kosem(pietro dela valle coratrini) the first daughter from kosem, he had three daughter´s eldest is 9 in 1612 she
´s beloved by king)
osman -mahfiruz
sehzade mehmed 8.3.1605-kosem. he had from her three daughter´s exept her eldest son (mehmed) one son and one dadugter
died
fatma 8.3.1605- kosem, one of two daughter´s died, he (ahmed) had daughter who survived he keeps her with him all the time.
historians kosem had in 1605 two daughter, soe think that three)
daughter 8.3.1605-december 1605/1606
son august 1605- mahfiruz mayby sarted be dead
ayse deceber 1605-kosem(kosem was not happy when her daughter was born because it was for four time what she gave birth a daughter while her opponent gave birth to a son for the second time)
son december 1605-1606-he had two sons from living one. some source says that ayse had twin.
mahfiruz had at least two sons
kosem- she brought total five or six childrens (de harley).
ahmed had with kosem 5 children when mahfiruz in 1605/1606 started be dead. source says that kosem first daughter was born afther rise of ahmed I. then 8.3.1605 was born triples one daughter died. and in december night month afther mehmed and fatma was born ayse and her another son.(source mention twins) he had two sons 7 years old ayse was married in 1612 to nasuv pasha(she had been her four daughter). tezcan afther dead handan sultan started receive 1000 asper. this situacion also discribe almoro nani she brought to him many children.according to syndys and de harley 5 or 6 while mhfiruz only two sons
What the hell
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Really I wouldn’t have minded at all if both mother and son died in labour it would have saved everyone a lot less hassle and mehmet might have lived how sad both survived😢
I dont know why the new actres of Mahfiruz facial look much close to the 1st episode actress Anastasia (Kosem)
It would better cause the new Kosem actress. Im sorry she didnt give much vibe or personality of Anastasia 🤔
Am I the only one not appreciating Mahfiruze Beauty? There’s something not that beautiful on her. Not so attractive unlike Kosem and Halime Sultan’s beauties even Fariye Sultan (daughter of Safiye Sultan). Their beauties are very undeniably immaculate but this one (mahfiruze) her beauty is indescribable. 😅
is it a girl or a boy ?????
Boy
Very bed news true love kosem and baby plane next woman no not like this drama
How she transitions from Rasa to Mahfiruz? 🤔
if i remember correctly, Handan names her during some celebrations.
@@staryeyedctzen7683 okay, but what happens to the previous Mahfiruz? 😅
@@bloomwithaynur3898She died coz of some illness.
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On 100% children kosem- sehzade Mehmed, Ayse sultan, Fatma sultan, Handzade sultan, Murad IV, sehzade Kasim, Ibrahim I.
Ps.:
source also says that infront murad had another two prince, like achille de harley says that kosem had infront of Murad another son Orhan? alderson says that second son kosem was born 29.8.1609, what a coincident- or mayby it is also chihangir?
he symply says that only Mahfiruze and Kosem had sons to the born Murad and beyazid, it is so reason why they are so powerfull. I think that chihangir was born to kosem not mahfiruze. in this case kosem had 7 sons- Mehmed, Chihangir, Orhan, Selim, Murad, Kasim, Ibrahim achille de harley simply says that kosem had another son infront of born Murad, alderson second son kosem was born 29.8.1609. almoro nani says that in 1614 - 1611? there were another son from kosem who died at infancy. Mayby selim- who is according to one letter, together with orhan sons Kosem, but he says that kosem has for now two daughter he didn´t mention handzade? mayby it could be also chihangir. almoro says that kosem was much influence that mahfiuze infront of born murad had mahfiruze two son according to me osman and sulejman. But if is true that kosem was much more influence than mahfiuze, kosem had much more sons that mahfiruze. I think that chihangir, Orhan and selim could be also sons kosem. some source says that sulejman was born infront of murad and beyazid that kosem had infront of Murad three sons orhan, sulejman and selim- in this case sulejman was change for chihangir. It could be - handzade was born 1608 and in 1609 was born chihangir and orhan, chihangir and orhan were twins
according to me- sezhade mehmed 1605, ayse sultan 1605, Fatma 1606, Handzade 1608?, Orhan and chihangir both were born as twin 1609(mayby 29.8 source alderson) selim 1611, Murad, Kasim, Ibrahim
Mahfiruze four sons (source achille de harley) Osman, Sulejman, Beyazid and Huseyin
Almoro Nani in his report of 1614:
(...) There is a Greek woman(kosem) whom the Sultan loves very much. He had many children from her. That's why the Palace is very influential. Sultan's the first wife(mahfiruze), also has many children. This woman is very influential, and there is no other powerful person in the Palace other than these two women. (...)The Bosnian woman, the second wife (kosem) of the Sultan, was a very quiet person. Since their son died in infancy, only two daughters are alive now (...) Since a few years ago Sultan exiled his wife, who was a Georgian- (Ps.:according to cortarini- safavid sultan -georgian princesses was another wife ahmed I, according to him and leslie perci there weas a woman who was exepled from palace in 1612), from Saray, now he has no other wife except these three women (...)
Christoforo Vallier'in 1614 senesine ait raporlarından:
(..) Ahmet had four children(from her mahfiruze) so far. The biggest of them is Şehzade Osman. He had only one daughter who survived. (...) There is also his wife, who is Greek(kosem), he was more combative than Circassian(Mahfiruze).
From the report of the Austrian Ambassador Hermann Czernin in 1616: if years 1614 was 1611/1612 -1616 will be 1613(infront born kasim
(...) The Turkish Bey has many children. His first wife(mahfiruze) and mother of his eldest son were an elegant Circassian noble. Turk has four sons and a daughter from this woman. He has three sons and three daughters from his second wife, a Greek woman(kosem) . The Greek woman was a very good musician and enchanted her husband with music (...)
Herman mention mahfiruze´s four son Huseyin b.1613? He has three sons and three daughter Mehmed, another son(orhan?), Murad, Ayse, fatma, Handzade. he says what nani and de harley kosem had more sons the second son who was mention by achile de harley, was still alive when mahfiruze was born four son huseyin. Mahfiruze had only four Osman, sulejman, Beyazid and Huseyin kosem mayby seven Mehmed, Chihangir?, Orhan, selim, murad, kasim, Ibrahim
I have to emphasize what he said what achille de harley says Mahfiruze had one daugher who survived
Giovanni Mocenigo's report from 1604:
(...) He had three daughters from the dead Sultan(Mahfiruze sultan), except his son(osman) (...)
achille de harley and giovanni says that mahfiruze had three daughter only one survived . according to historians there were four daughters who died in infaci? when they were at a yong age. hadice, esma, zahide and zeynep. two of these four will be definiteli from mahfiruze.
for children - Osman, gevherhan, sulejman between 1609-1611- achile de harley he had two sons from de dead sultan . some source says that sulejman was born to mahfiruze in 1609/1610 ulucay says that sulejman was born 1611, -beyazid1612-
Ps.: valier also says that that greeck woman (kosem) was more combative than Mahfiruze. according to me because she lost one of his son or maby two. christoforo vaiere and almoro nani 1614- 1611/1612? says that kosem could have had much sons than mahfiruze and much sons than mehmed and murad
Sharam ani chahiye, etna detail se dekhane ki zarorat nhi te
Which episode is this?
current eu source say that mahfiruze had at least 3 childrens osman II. della valle - gevherhan sultan. christoforo vallier also say that ahmed had from mahfiruze two sons. current eu source say that mahfiruze died at 1606 when ahmed married kosem for his legal wife. george syndys say that mahfiruze started be dead at the moment. alderson say that ahmed I had son who was born at 1606 mayby mahfiruze died afther what her second born son was born
Exactly! I wish we got to see her have her other possible children in this.