WHEELCHAIR REPAIR: permobil ICS seating switches
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- in this video we take apart, and CLEAN the ICS switch box on a permobil power wheelchair! if you switches are hard to push, or don't work at all, this video shows you how to clean out the schmoo thats likely built up inside!
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Thank you for posting this! I had to replace my silicone toggle overlay. Part was $25 and your video talked us through installing it. my wife actually did it. And cleaning the black tarry substance off the pc board made a huge difference!
Thank you for this video! I was having to smash one of the buttons to get a response, and cleaning fixed it. I also swapped out the buttons for quad switches. FYI, if you have a swing-away joystick mount, you can open up the ICS box without taking off the joystick. I discovered this because one of the chairs I was modding had a rusted out screw holding the bracket on and we could not remove it.
I was stuck and it caused me many stressful times. I watched the video and my husband fixed everything in 15 min. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
I keep a roll of blue painters tape handy for holding screws. When in an area where the screws can fall off. Also when putting plastics back together, the screws for plastic augers into the housing, if your able to start the screw by turning to the left you may be able to feel the original start point where the screw was previously and put it back in the same groove. Why that is important is because plastic housings that require frequent service may wear out from the screw essentially reaming the screw hole so the screw will no longer hold.
thank you for this video, my SO has managed to break the control panel off, and this provided the detail I needed to "reattach" hopefully that is all that was needed.
Nice video! I use rubbing alcohol and Q-tips to clean the contacts. Sometimes people split the plastic pillars on the case top that the screws thread into, because they cross thread the screws into the already stressed pillars. If you gently place each screw into the proper hole, then slowly rotate each screw COUNTER CLOCKWISE, while applying light pressure, you will feel and maybe hear the threads of the screw pop into the original threads in the pillar. Then you can safely start turning them clockwise to close the case. This is a good technique for avoiding cross threading any screws that fit into threaded holes.
Yeah. One of my plastic pillars broke off just loosening one of the four screws. But three screws seems to be holding it all together OK.
that plastic gets SUPER brittle over time! theres some people working a low-cost aftermarket replacement housing though!
Early morning uploads lol great video love the idea of the series
sorry to double-ping peoples phones! lol 2 fer 1 today!
Wow!!!! I am wondering why the connection is such a problem all of a sudden after replacing the rubber switches, and that white zip tie was exposed to its purpose thanks to viewing this video! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Thanks I did this repair on my chair and it worked great 👍
I was a calibration technician for a orthopedic company. Did much the same thing with electric calipers.
It is very flimsy where the mounting plate attaches to the switch module. Brand new F3 and it has broken several times. A cotton bud (q-tip) dipped in isopropyl alcohol is good for cleaning too.
My base is broken on my switch box. How can I get a replacement for the back and mounting base only?
in the US - they dont really sell individual parts unfortunately :^/ ebay is the best bet
I've broken several of the plastic cases. I wish they'd make them stronger or make them out of metal!
Have had the gunk up several times
I love your videos Pal thxs
I know you generally focus on Permobile but I would like to know if you dabble in invacare because I have a TDX SP that has a switch box cabling short what is part of control box as it's hardwired and not a separate standalone cable the wire has a short but unclear how to fix. eBay has some parts for roughly 40 to 60 dollars however dealer numotion wants to charge $3,000 for suggested MSRP. There should be something against charging that much for a single part especially just for a bad wire. But it shuts off all power so I have to do something. Was out running it and thankfully I had somebody with me because when it went bad there was no notice chair completely shut off would not power back on but noticed wiggling the wires what causes you intermittently fash to life. Oddly enough my permobile has the same issue and it's due to I think the chargers overheating the remote socket getting all the way back to the 2.5M 89.5 R-net cable causing a short or break. Because the charger socket jacket getting hot damaging remote in both chairs possible top left pin but then after socket damage doesn't matter what charger you plug up to it they too will overheat not sure why. It's the new style chargers that you spoke about in another video but the problem is supposedly was supposed to be fixed.
Great idea to split two types of videos; Mr Fixit and Mr Life and Times in a Wheelchair... are you going to have two channels? Hardcore cleaning of circuits after Alcohol wipes would be using the end of an eraser gently, it will break our crud alcohol won't, blow off residuals.
itll all be on the same channel.. ill just create some playlists for the different topics :^)
usually the inside of those switch boxes gets all gooey.. need something to cut thru the crud!
Mine has just two leds that light up in tilt mode... but that's all... The screen won't recognize another function from the ICS
but beep with each touch....
Ugh... confusing 😕
I'm a amateur wood worker. I've had to clean my buttons 3-4 times in 2-1/2 Year's. However I've snagged the wire on something and damaged it. I cut the bad spot out and soldered it back together. Did a good repair, i thought. I have a ICF bad wire code that flashes on my screen. Do you know how to clear the code? Tripping the power switch doesn't do it. Thanks in advance. Love your informative videos. Chair is a 2020 permobil 300m
hmm my other reply disappeared LOL
id check and make sure the cable didn't come disconnected inside the ICS switchbox - and also use a meter to make sure there's continuity on the entire length of the cable. (from switches to inside of seatback cover on chair) if it got caught and ripped something, its entirely possible that other wires are internally broken as well
do you have the error code from the screen? sometimes those help narrow things down
Do you know how to fix the inhibit switch always on ! on the newer Amy systems chair with the rnet electronics
Got it!
Hi TN, hope you are well. Just a quick question for you, where is the video where you showed how to get into and change some of the settings on the R.net controller please? I did look but couldn't find it. i recall that you have to hold down 2 buttons at once, but i don't recall which ones ha ha?
We have an old Centro by Magic Mobility ( an Aussie made chair) that was given to us, not working, when we went to pick up other wheelchair related bits. It has an r.net controller. Recently my husband and i have been doing a ton of work on it. I totally disassembled it, NOT FULLY INTENTIONALLY, but I got carried away with cleaning everything and to do that properly, i think, it has to be at least partially dismantled. Unfortunately after taking it all apart I didn't recall how it all went back together. Any way, we though we had it running, well it was def running but when we took it outside we realised it was going extremely and annoyingly slowly. I do recall you saying that the r.net could be speed limited and if that's the case, we might need to take it to a dealer to get it turned off. How ever before I do that i want to exhaust all other options. i only assume it has to do with the r.net, not so much the chair. it seems to turn and start to take off quickly but then goes extremely slowly. It does this no matter what speed profile it's on.
Yo! I haven't made a video just yet about r net programming specifically..BUT this link should get ya some basic details ;-) r-netoem.blogspot.com/2019/09/on-board-programing.html?m=1
I'll be making a video about it soon.. just have to tick one more box with the lawyers before we're clear to publish a video guide!
Ok doing this now. One I'm working on the plastic posts broke down and 3 of four broke. I epoxied them in and doing my best to leave enough to hold them and leave room for the rubber and circuit board. The rubber has broke around the buttons, not sure how to repair that.
yea.. a lot of the materials have a limited lifespan.. sounds like ya got it under control though!
fyi- right now these switchboxes are backordered, and over a year out :^/
@@TotallyNormal- I hear that! I just got a new M3 and no ICS for it. I replaced the one on my old chair and going to put it on new one. Trying to get the old one working for the old chair for next owner. Going thru the menu every time gets old.
good evening ! I need some help, and I think only you can help me, I work with chair maintenance here in Brazil, but I believe you must have heard that access to information here is practically impossible. Well come on, I have a C500 vs. and an M300 HD, both with problems in the ICS system. I have an OEM Rnet Dongle, but it is very confusing for me so far. I'm trying to access the Master module, through the 6-pin port and usb - serial rs232 adapter. with the wheelchair builder programmer. but only able to get the product information, but not the “.icsconfig” file. so that it configures to transfer data to another module. Do you have any additional information for me to get? congratulations for the videos. I've been with you for a while, it's helped a lot in several situations
the wheelchair builder software isnt usually something you want to mess around with.. the versions out there are VERY old and not compatible with most of the chairs. whats problem are you having with the chair?
next video his wheelchair will run on a snickers bar lol
Nice, informative video.... Thanks. I have a 2010 c400 permobil.... do you know how I can access the programming for speed and such?
you need a USB dongle that connects to a computer, or a hand held programmer. OR sometimes (very rarely) on-board programming is enabled! and if that's the case, and you have a color LCD joystick, ya can program it right from the screen
I broke my controller off of the bracket within 6 months so in tok a piece of angle iron mounted it to the bracket then screwed the bottom cover of the controller to the angle iron. It's never broken off the bracket since 🙂🙂 but now the controller is bad. I've been waiting at least 6 months on a new one due to covid. Mine doesn't even light up any more.
yea supply chain and whatnot.. permobil is shipping new chairs WITHOUT that switchbox right now! they don't have any parts :^/
hi TN, so glad to find this. I dd end up buying a used circuit board off EEEEEEBBBBBBAAAAAYYYY, lol but it had to come from the US................waiting isn't my strong point lol. So while I waited I cleaned all the bits and pieces with cue tips and metho, yep and the gunk that came off all of that was indeed disgusting and I am super careful with spilling stuff and not using things when my hands are not completely clean.Oh yeah, I am self confessed germaphobe, but in my case being on immune suppression it is completely warranted.
Any way the circuit board eventually got here and it didn't work. Lots of under my breath cussing and muttering ensued. When checked with a multimeter it turned out the wires/cord were not conducting properly either, my husband did some kind of black magic on the wire, then we had connection. When the lights lit up I did a little happy dance. (it's a big deal when you have never done stuff like this before. My husband is Mr fix it around here but not being able to do so many things due to my conditions it's a big deal when you learn new things and carry them out AND they save you money. Oh and it stops you being reliant on others and most importantly you don't have to wait on things.......lol
OK So then the lights lit up but when we pressed the buttons nothing happened. Before I saw this I wasn't keen on cleaning the circuit board because I thought they were far more sensitive than they obviously are. I have some individual alcohol preps I used for my injections so I will go and try that now. I'll let you know how it goes. Cheers and thanks for putting this content out there, it's extremely helpful.
Nope cleaning it didn't help. Lights up but when you press the buttons they don't work. Does anything on the main joystick (R-Net) have to be switched on ? This is seriously frustrating.............. Thanks so much
hmm it should work independently of any settings on the joystick.. do the seating functions work (via joystick) at all? ya *should* hear a beep when a button is pressed...
are you trying to fix the FLEA-bay one, or the original? (or both?)
Yes they all the functions work via the joy stick. We even tried the original broken one and it lit up the same as the new one. It didn't work either. Oh and no beeps from either of them..............Grrrrr
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@@TotallyNormal- No the one from Fleabay.
This is awesome. Will this work with other brand switch boxes. Mine has a switch box but is made by quantum
hey! ive seen the quantum boxes.. haven't taken one apart yet.. i'd assume its similar in design though!
Allow me to pick your brain please. Was in my chair c300 full recline, legs up, time to go so was sitting up when everything just stopped. No lights to the ICS switches and the chair doesn't move. When I turn the chair on the speed lights( by the mode buttons ) just flash but the charge lights are steady. Any Ideas???? I've spent hrs looking on the internet and permobil manuals nothing. Joystick is the non lcd PG rnet.
Appreciate all your videos, Dave
are they blinking? they usually flash a code.. or depending on the model - which lights are flashing indicate the code...
just to check -have ya made sure your neutral/brake lever is engaged or somehow come loose?
if you can send me a DM on twitter a photo or short video clip of the lights might be able to see what the code is
Everyday that goes by my ventor takes away features he said i could get. I told I was going to be able to get those permo style switches and now I can’t them. 9pin issues. I have to settle for the Amy blue seat push buttons. If you ever get around to it I’d love to see you demo those round blue seat control buttons/switches. Now I was just told by my Vendor that I weigh too much for the 8.5mph. I’m so pissed I feel like nixing the deal. Apparently you can’t weigh more than 250 pounds to get the faster 8.5 motors.
yea - when i got my amy it was the same issue.. i weighed too much for the speed option. those blue buttons are annoying.. the chair has to be completely stopped before they'll work, and its one function at a time... and cant move the chair while adjusting the seat
Is there any way to work around their weight limit? Can I get the 8.5 & tell them to lock out the speed level?
problem is, the higher gears they use, put a lot of extra load on the motors - and weight, or hill climbing etc puts an exponential strain on things.. I'd worry about overheating the motors, and the controller.. my permonil C500 that i swapped high speed motors into, wasn't designed for them with how much the chair weighs, and i have to be careful about overheating things. it goes into thermal lockout quite easily- even at low speeds!
wish i had some better news for ya...
Thanks for the input. I never thought about overheating. I guess I won’t push Amysystems too hard on it. I sent a email earlier to Amy systems to find out why they would not allow someone with my experience to use the 8.5 motors.
Sister got error code “ seat lift “ 20c3 rendering the chair useless flashes turtle and doesn’t move. I’m think switch box migh have gone out need replace ?
that code references an over-current fault for the seat lift channel.. does the error clear when turning chair off, and back on again?
@@TotallyNormal- nope , chair stays “locked” and flashes the same code. Seat lift channel are all red & not green like usual.
ah ok.. then the seat lift is your issue! if the ICS seating buttons are red at all, its gonna keep the chair from moving. something is shorted out, or wiring got screwed up..
1) what model of chair is this?
2) and approx how old is it?
@@TotallyNormal- 2015 , M3 permobil.
Ok ok I appreciate the info. I’ve followed and check all wiring everything seems to be in place. If shorted out would maybe a blown fuse? Might just have to get a tech out. I usually trouble shoot her chair and replace stuff on it my self but this one has me stuck lol
Hi,
Nice video.
I have a permobil c500 and today the back recliner red light started to flash while i was pressing the button with ICS back error showing. What could it be?
Thank you.
My switch box isn’t turning on
Is there a way to use this ICS switchbox on an older Permobil that uses the old kind... (P&G)
what do ya mean by old kind? what model of chair we talkin about :^)
@@TotallyNormal- this style www.ebay.com/itm/Penny-Giles-Permobil-2G-C300-C400-C500-Switch-Box-/224065310302
ah.. old-scool! - unfortunately these are completely different systems
i have a promobile chair a m8 tilt error how can i fix
whats is FULL error code thats showing on the screen?
hi ive been getting an ICS error message saying "seat lift error 20ca" is there a way to remove the buttons all together? it might have been from water damage and my chair is immobile. everytime i turn my chair on a red light at the very right of my 4 button flashes on them off while the rest dont turn off including the one that was red.
that error is saying the seat lift isn't connected... so something probably happened to the wiring etc.. those cables can get screwy if the cable ties and clips aren't 100% in the perfect spots...
also sometimes simply unplugging and re plugging in all of the seating ICS BUS cables can fix things.. esp if there's been water or dust / dirt around things...
i need to make a video about how to do that actually.. its a somewhat common thing that can happen... esp if the chair is used on gravel, or in other dusty / bumps places regularly..
@@TotallyNormal- if you could that'll be so helpful especially with having to go through the long process of insurance and being out of my wheelchair for a few days. So even if i try unplugging and getting rid of the buttons entirely the message will still happen?
@@TotallyNormal- because now my chair can move and the top left 3 buttons of the 4 are flashing red.
yup! that error is independent of the seating buttons flashing. itll still happen without them. hmm sounds like the DME might need to check out your chair now if there's more errors popping up... dont want to get stuck somewhere if the chair decides to stop completely! sounds like something needs to be addressed..
Can you help me, my motorized has a problem? May i know your email address please? Thank you
contact info is in the video description :^)
Im from the Philippines. My motorized wheelchair is flashing red turtle mode. What is the problem? Can you help me?