@@Angel-fz8dr very very good. I struggle to remember anything that needed fixed in 13 years. I’m sure there was something, but it wasn’t significant and it was very infrequent at best. Oh I just had a hood strut go out that is pending a fix (pretty minor part).
@@rns2222 Thanks for your reply. I hope it continues to bring smiles to your face. There is a low mileage yellow 997.1 with manual gearbox near me, absolute stunner. But for 110k euro, I will keep on dreaming...
Great video thank you for sharing and highlighting this 911 turbo. The manual gen1.5 997 turbo is so rare that even the most dedicated Porsche fans and some dealers don’t really realise it’s rarity. I actually think from a price point it’s undervalued.
That’s because it’s not a real ‘thing’. Owners just started labelling their 997.1 ‘gen 1.5’ because it has a newer PCCM system and matching centre console from the gen 2…that’s it. Hardly a reason to pay more than any other 997.1 Turbo, especially consider PCCM plus is now available.
I truly loved and always wanted a 993 turbo, yet soon as the 997 turbo was launched and still to this day the 997 is the prettiest 911 turbo EVER! 2.01 then see the 993 at 2.04, no comparison without even going into power comparisons or since the 992 launch, being bulky & heavy direct injection meaning carbon build up etc, Best 911 turbo period.
I test drove all the dot 997’s before buying a .2 (including one from Lakeside) the PDK box is fantastic, the DFI engine also has many advantages over the Mezger, including power, fuel economy and less C02. The only thing the 997 turbos lack is the exhaust note. An American company called Soul Performance do an upgrade (not cheap) but this finishes the total package for me. These cars are the next 993 Turbos, prices already starting to creep up as they hit the ‘classic’ market. Great video btw.
Just buy a 997.1 and upgrade to pcm+. It’s a better more modern unit with CarPlay etc. Personally the radio never gets switched on in mine. Rather hear whooshes and howls from the mezger.
Back in October 2008 in response to Nissans claim of a 7m29s ring lap for it's then new R35 GTR, Porsche took a Gen 1.5 997 Turbo and a GT2 to the ring and lopped a huge 10 seconds off the previous Gen 1 997 turbo's lap time. It completed the lap in 7m38s only 4 seconds slower than the GT2, which managed a 7m34s. Suggesting that the Gen 1.5 had mechanical tweaks beyond the usual PCM 3.0 upgrade. It would be really interesting if you could do some more digging regarding this increase in performance and drop in lap time with your contacts at Porsche Lee. :)
Different driver, different temperature, slightly different track conditions, PCCB vs Steel brakes, possible unknown upgrade, tyres old or new/cold or warm, track temperature, better maintained example, tip vs man transmission. It could be down to a whole host of potential reasons.
Would love a 997 Turbo I miss the punch of my old tuned B5 RS4 that had 702nm torque ! My 718S just doesn’t cut it for me 😢handles brilliantly but hasn’t got the kick that I miss so I’m saving for a turbo now.
Nice review. Had a .2 with pdk which was great car with addictive shove but lacked some character in the noise dept. Swapped it for a 991.1 C4S and got back to a cab which I missed having. I do now enjoying being able to ring this one out a little more without losing g my licence. In a perfect (rich) world I'd have kept it and ran 2.
Cool video - they are extraordinary cars and I've enjoyed my '09 manual for over 10 years now. With a few bolt-on mods they can be made to sound and perform even better and be more exciting and dynamic to drive. Acceleration is astounding if not violent particularly in a modded car (mine has around 550awhp but some have >1000). They're built like tanks but service costs are high as you might expect. The main mechanical weakness is the coolant pipe leak issue but fixing that is typically a "one and done" permanent procedure. I agree with @niall3973 the "gen 1.5" thing is a made-up bogus reference though - the newer PCM3 looks less antiquated but technologically, it is antiquated....
sure its more historically significant and all that, but the main reason people want the gen 1s is probably because you can fairly reliably smash over 1200hp with them :D
Hi Lee , how are you ? Good I hope , I have a Ferrari 355 GTS 1995 6 speed Stick manual ,factory carbon fibre racing seats Tan interior Rosso Corsa , in very good condition , I love but I have also wanted a 997 series 1 or 2 GT3 manual , I have an. Opportunity to do a straight swap and $ 30k ( US$20k) on top as a kicker , Would you do it , I’m so concerned the 355 will jump so high in value in the next few years, your thoughts ?
It's a great car, but sorry I can't stand this whole "gen 1.5" term. This is literally a gen 1 car, using the exact same engine and design. Having a slightly less out of date PCM doesn't qualify the car as a unique special generation. Besides, many owners are updating their infotainment systems to the new Porsche Classic one. So this minor enhancement is basically meaningless. Gen 1.5 is a made up term. To the best of my knowledge it's not a term Porsche created. You might as well name one a gen 1.1 or gen 1.2 as some people spec'd bucket seats over comfort seats or PCCB's over steels. Makes more difference than a PCM difference!
The PCM is not the only difference, however it is the one that people notice and I do agree that this is less relevant now than it was at the time. There are though several other changes over the gen 1 that I am aware of, including the entire centre console, the steering wheel, the climate control, plus the keys that Lee mentioned. Also in the cab the roof and frame is from the gen 2 (and probably the hydraulics and control system too). I'm sure that there are other internals that were changed over as they started to switch production fully over to the gen 2. They actually printed a specific brochure for the 1.5 Turbo.
Completely agree Nial, the 1.5 was desirable when it came out as it updated the crap PCM 2.1 to slightly less crap 3.1. The main benefit IMO was a proper Bluetooth system rather than the daft SIM card solution. BT being available on cheap Fords and Nissans for years before 😂. As others have said the PCM tech is ancient now so just buy a Porsche classic PCM upgrade. As for wanting a 1.5 because of the different key? Er no (ex 997.1 turbo manual owner)
I’m a very happy owner of a 997.1 Turbo Cab with Tiptronic. It comes out of hibernation in a couple of weeks time. Can’t wait!!
In the same situation and can't wait to get it out of storage. Upstate NY and the salt needs to go away NOW.
Awesome video!… from a very lucky owner of a 2009 997.15 TT manual for over 13 years now :)
how is the reliability?
@@Angel-fz8dr very very good. I struggle to remember anything that needed fixed in 13 years. I’m sure there was something, but it wasn’t significant and it was very infrequent at best. Oh I just had a hood strut go out that is pending a fix (pretty minor part).
@@rns2222 Thanks for your reply. I hope it continues to bring smiles to your face. There is a low mileage yellow 997.1 with manual gearbox near me, absolute stunner. But for 110k euro, I will keep on dreaming...
Great video thank you for sharing and highlighting this 911 turbo. The manual gen1.5 997 turbo is so rare that even the most dedicated Porsche fans and some dealers don’t really realise it’s rarity. I actually think from a price point it’s undervalued.
That’s because it’s not a real ‘thing’. Owners just started labelling their 997.1 ‘gen 1.5’ because it has a newer PCCM system and matching centre console from the gen 2…that’s it. Hardly a reason to pay more than any other 997.1 Turbo, especially consider PCCM plus is now available.
@@DailyisRaceCar probably a little bit more to it than that check the comments below about the Nurberg lap times.
@@darrylcoombes8334 nope, there really isn’t. If lap times differ it was probably due to newer tyre technology. The mechanicals are identical
I truly loved and always wanted a 993 turbo, yet soon as the 997 turbo was launched and still to this day the 997 is the prettiest 911 turbo EVER! 2.01 then see the 993 at 2.04, no comparison without even going into power comparisons or since the 992 launch, being bulky & heavy direct injection meaning carbon build up etc, Best 911 turbo period.
Best all round sports car ever made and the 997 is the best 911 Turbo version ever best of both worlds imo. Cheers
A beaut! ...Have had my 997.2 Black on Black PDK, 33k miles, for a couple years now... Absolutely love it.
Great video Lee. This is such an iconic 911.
Same Gen 1.5 exists for the GT2 in model year 2010. Approx. 240 were built with PCM3, and before the 500 RS were built in MJ 2011.
Didn't know that 😜
My mate has one .👍🏻
I test drove all the dot 997’s before buying a .2 (including one from Lakeside) the PDK box is fantastic, the DFI engine also has many advantages over the Mezger, including power, fuel economy and less C02. The only thing the 997 turbos lack is the exhaust note. An American company called Soul Performance do an upgrade (not cheap) but this finishes the total package for me. These cars are the next 993 Turbos, prices already starting to creep up as they hit the ‘classic’ market. Great video btw.
Have an 997.1 Turbo Tip myself. Cant get myself to sell it…
Just buy a 997.1 and upgrade to pcm+. It’s a better more modern unit with CarPlay etc. Personally the radio never gets switched on in mine. Rather hear whooshes and howls from the mezger.
I saw on moblie a 997.2 with manual transmission with 500hp. That’s the rarity.😊
Back in October 2008 in response to Nissans claim of a 7m29s ring lap for it's then new R35 GTR, Porsche took a Gen 1.5 997 Turbo and a GT2 to the ring and lopped a huge 10 seconds off the previous Gen 1 997 turbo's lap time. It completed the lap in 7m38s only 4 seconds slower than the GT2, which managed a 7m34s. Suggesting that the Gen 1.5 had mechanical tweaks beyond the usual PCM 3.0 upgrade. It would be really interesting if you could do some more digging regarding this increase in performance and drop in lap time with your contacts at Porsche Lee. :)
Whoa, I did not know that! Thanks for sharing with the community… I'll have to do some digging!
Different driver, different temperature, slightly different track conditions, PCCB vs Steel brakes, possible unknown upgrade, tyres old or new/cold or warm, track temperature, better maintained example, tip vs man transmission. It could be down to a whole host of potential reasons.
You don’t think Porsche would have fitted stickier tyres and turned up the boost to get one over on the gtr?
Newer tyre tech..that’s it. Mechanicals are identical - fact.
Good vidéo and very nice car, thank you. 👍
Please... It's Hans MeZger, not MeTzger. 😉
Would love a 997 Turbo I miss the punch of my old tuned B5 RS4 that had 702nm torque ! My 718S just doesn’t cut it for me 😢handles brilliantly but hasn’t got the kick that I miss so I’m saving for a turbo now.
I have the rarest one 2009 911tt "aero" manual
Nice review. Had a .2 with pdk which was great car with addictive shove but lacked some character in the noise dept. Swapped it for a 991.1 C4S and got back to a cab which I missed having. I do now enjoying being able to ring this one out a little more without losing g my licence. In a perfect (rich) world I'd have kept it and ran 2.
Haha, the answer is always 'just one more'! At least in my fantasy garage world anyway. Glad you enjoyed the video.
They should continue making the new generation gt2 and gt3 with a manual gearbox just do it 7 speed but very hooked up with the big wings and spoilers
They’re special cars, would love to know how many of the 50 manual Gen 1.5 cars were coupe or convertible.
Cool video - they are extraordinary cars and I've enjoyed my '09 manual for over 10 years now. With a few bolt-on mods they can be made to sound and perform even better and be more exciting and dynamic to drive. Acceleration is astounding if not violent particularly in a modded car (mine has around 550awhp but some have >1000). They're built like tanks but service costs are high as you might expect. The main mechanical weakness is the coolant pipe leak issue but fixing that is typically a "one and done" permanent procedure. I agree with @niall3973 the "gen 1.5" thing is a made-up bogus reference though - the newer PCM3 looks less antiquated but technologically, it is antiquated....
sure its more historically significant and all that, but the main reason people want the gen 1s is probably because you can fairly reliably smash over 1200hp with them :D
Hahahaha love that, also true.
You can easily do the same with the .2
Hi Lee , how are you ? Good I hope , I have a Ferrari 355 GTS 1995 6 speed Stick manual ,factory carbon fibre racing seats Tan interior
Rosso Corsa , in very good condition , I love but I have also wanted a 997 series 1 or 2 GT3 manual ,
I have an. Opportunity to do a straight swap and
$ 30k ( US$20k) on top as a kicker ,
Would you do it , I’m so concerned the 355 will jump so high in value in the next few years, your thoughts ?
It's a great car, but sorry I can't stand this whole "gen 1.5" term. This is literally a gen 1 car, using the exact same engine and design. Having a slightly less out of date PCM doesn't qualify the car as a unique special generation. Besides, many owners are updating their infotainment systems to the new Porsche Classic one. So this minor enhancement is basically meaningless.
Gen 1.5 is a made up term. To the best of my knowledge it's not a term Porsche created. You might as well name one a gen 1.1 or gen 1.2 as some people spec'd bucket seats over comfort seats or PCCB's over steels. Makes more difference than a PCM difference!
The PCM is not the only difference, however it is the one that people notice and I do agree that this is less relevant now than it was at the time.
There are though several other changes over the gen 1 that I am aware of, including the entire centre console, the steering wheel, the climate control, plus the keys that Lee mentioned. Also in the cab the roof and frame is from the gen 2 (and probably the hydraulics and control system too). I'm sure that there are other internals that were changed over as they started to switch production fully over to the gen 2. They actually printed a specific brochure for the 1.5 Turbo.
Completely agree Nial, the 1.5 was desirable when it came out as it updated the crap PCM 2.1 to slightly less crap 3.1. The main benefit IMO was a proper Bluetooth system rather than the daft SIM card solution. BT being available on cheap Fords and Nissans for years before 😂.
As others have said the PCM tech is ancient now so just buy a Porsche classic PCM upgrade.
As for wanting a 1.5 because of the different key? Er no
(ex 997.1 turbo manual owner)
lovely car. But I couldn't live with that gearbox and these stupid buttons
Luckily you've plenty of choice elsewhere.
Bit short there, but I agree@@9WERKSTV
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