Tony Benn v Hilary Benn on war votes - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024
- Father and son, Tony and Hilary Benn have given two of the most impassioned speeches on the issue of whether to vote for military action. In 1998 Tony Benn argued against the bombing of Iraq, while this week his son Hilary Benn argued in favour bombing Syria. Both speeches were widely praised - and both men, coincidentally, had current Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn sitting by them in the Commons as they were delivered.
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Tony Benn was man of integrity and honour. One of the best.
Shame about his son.
@@johnlowdon5809His son??
@Fabian Winston instablaster =)
Yeah : they learn you that at Eton..........
A disgrace.
Interesting how Jeremy is sitting behind both of them and in the same position.
Mobin Kiadeh the way he looks at them says it all really
bastourma1 I was just going to say...admiration and attentiveness with the one, and contempt/not knowing where to look with the other.
Except that Tony wanted out of the EU till he died but Corbyn suddenly turned pro EU when he became Labour leader.
Nodding in agreement with Tony and rolling his eyes at Hilary
@@lewisner you're wrong. Corbyn said a long time ago. He wants to leave the EU , but for different reasons than the Tories. The fact he is in favour of a second referendum , is to stop the impending catastrophe
The father speaking from the heart, the son speaking from a movie script.
You said it friend. He DARED to invoke the memory of the international brigades and the British antifascists who went to overturn a fascist coup in Spain when almost the entire British political class abandoned the Spanish Republic all of its people to doom and death.
@@End-Result.... And why not? Good men went to Syria from America and Britain to Fight IS as well. Those Airstrikes offered them Tactical support and in some cases saved their lives. Doing Nothing in the pursuit of some misbegotten aversion to war esp in the face of a Brutal Totalitarian Ideology like Radical Islam is Cowardice.
@@TheOldWeigh Irak was different from Syria. It wasn't a war fought by local militias with some support of the western powers, it was a full-on invasion that in turn led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
@@Andres-vg1wy Nobody is defending the invasion of Iraq. Least I'm not. The Juxtaposition of the views of father and son at opposite ends on the Issue creates the impression that the Father's Righful Pacifism in one Case should apply to All Cases. As you say. Iraq is Different From Syria. There is such a thing as A Just Cause in This World. And I can think of No Better Use of Violence Than Ridding The World Of A Dangerous Depraved Religious Death Cult.
Well said!!!
Tony Benn was an honourable principled man. It’s sad to see that his son didn’t acquire any of his father’s virtues.
Different context. Iraq, the Kurds, the French ASKED for surgical air strikes. And guess what, ISIS has been defeated
@@adamhall5298 No it hasn't
@@KillaKermit yes it has
@@HomemadeBrownies1 no it hasn’t
@@hughwardjackson4776 yes it has.
Even when you watch this for the first time, not knowing the circumstances of the speech, you feel in your guts that you are listening to a good, honest person, with high moral standards and believing in what he's saying.
And that is why Corbyn sacked HB. His father would be ashamed of him.
efc toffee yeah, well done and now Assad has had a free hand to massacre his own civilians. Fuck you.
@@MrVice101 Fake news. You have been brainwashed. Do you research, and I don't mean listen to the bbc. There have been proven false flag attacks. Assad has no reason to kill his own people when he was already winning the war.
His father said otherwise.
meh
@@bieituns Post a source with this "proof" then.
One had seen war and one had not, soldiers will always choose peace and cowards will expect soldiers to die at their bidding
Over simplification.
Tony argued against *starting* a war in Iraq which had no UN support.
Hilary argued for intervention in an *already raging* war. Intervention which had UN support and the had been requested by the Iraqi government.
Totally different. We stood by in shameful indifference when the Hutus butchered the Tutsi in 1994. Hilary Benn was trying to protect the Yazidi and the Kurds from a similar fate.
Doing nothing in Iraq *was* the peaceful choice. Doing nothing in Syria *was not* the peaceful choice for the war would have continued regardless.
@@stephenholmes4344 Spot on
@@stephenholmes4344 Tony also argued against war in Syria though
I come back here often. This is such a powerful speech. It's so tragic that the pledge made with the U.N. has been forgotten. Tony witnessed the unforgiving horror of war. Hillary was a boomer who had everything handed to him. They are in NO way two equally legitimate arguments
what disgustingly stupid and arrogant comment
The Apple fell a million miles away from the tree. How sad, how truly sad...
Tony Benn will be disappointed if he were still alive today
He's definitely rolling over in his grave,
Tony will be so proud of his son for standing up for what he believes is right. He always knew his son was different but always said he could never be prouder of him. So stop pretending like you know what Tony would've though of his son. It's pity full that no matter what you think in the vote that you can't respect Hilary for fighting for what he thinks his right and even going as far as to say he brings shame to his father.
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"Tony will be so proud of his son for standing up for what he believes is right."
"So stop pretending like you know what Tony would've thought of his son."
You're hilarious.
+TMCTanks | Home of Black Ops 3 News/Information
There is a lot of truth in what you say, however Hilary did NOT experience the war first hand but his father Tony DID!
+dancheyne and you think he would be proud of going against everything he believed in wake up and smell the coffee, tell me when has bombing every helped or solved the problem mostly it starts the problem in the first place fact.....
Benn slamming it here_ "War is not a computer game". Brutally honest
Imagine how moving it would’ve been for Hilary to have quoted his father’s speech when giving his own speech, and spoken against the war instead of for it.
He could have quoted his speech in *support* of airstrikes. Tony Benn spoke about the UN charter and it’s importance in maintaining international law and human rights . The UN did NOT mandate a bombing of Iraq so Tony was against it. But the UN was in favour of strikes in Syria to protect the people from possible genocide of IS. I was against the war in Iraq but for airstrikes in Syria. And I make no apology for my inconsistent language. There was no war in Iraq in 1998 or 2003 so Tony Benn was arguing against war. But Hilary Benn was arguing for air strikes, not for war. Regardless of whether the air strikes were launched there were thousands of Syrians dying at the hands of IS. The war was a fact regardless of the air strikes. So Hilary Benn was not pro war, the war was already a reality. He was pro air strikes because he was following in the tradition of his fathers reverence towards the UN charter.
@@stephenholmes4344 Iraq was invaded in 2003. What are you talking about?
@@RayLRhodes But this thread was about Hilary Benn and his speech about Syria, not Iraq.
You misspelled disgusting. Bombing Syria was a horrific act of imperialism and the man is a shit and fool.
Corbyn under tony: 🤩
Corbyn under Hillary: 😑
Agreed
Corbyn was trying break off a piece of Tony
Isn't that Corbyn to the left of the picture?
I thought so too
+ScottishAtheist It is in both yeah aha
+I HATE TRAFFIC WARDENS!
Twat.
+I HATE TRAFFIC WARDENS! Wow, you are not only racist, idiotic and pathetic, but you seem proud of it too. It never fails to amaze me that people like you can use the internet.
It's funny. In almost every clip of Tony speaking publicly on RUclips, Jeremy is lurking in the background. They really were close.
A brilliant illustration of how over time politics has become a popularity contest rather than a battle between right and wrong.
what a disgustingly stupid comment
It's always been do as the Red shields tell you
No one should call for war, unless they are willing to stand upfront and lead the charge !
What a contemptible point of view.
@@leonhughes134 No, It’s common sense. War is always evil
Tony Benn could bring tears to the eyes of the most hard of people
The emotion and intensity in Tony Benn's voice is so incredible!!
Watching this in 2019 (As an attack on Iran looms) and it's fascinate to see that Jeremy Corbyn was seated behind both Son & Father during their arguments.
I wonder how Tony Benn would have felt hearing his son support an immoral war. The word disappointed isn't strong enough.
the war was going on regardless of airstrikes, the airstrikes were *meant* (i don't know if they achieved this) to end the brutal hands of the IS
It was meant to protect against genocide of people such as Kurds and minorities in Syria that were being oppressed by IS
@@jk-gb4et Mission Failed. It left the Middle East in ashes.
@@CanoeToNewOrleans This is Syria in 2015, the war had been going on for years at this point, how did those airstrikes leave it in ashes when it was already getting to that point
@@CanoeToNewOrleans I;m not saying I agree with the airstrikes, im just explaining that its not so simple to just dismiss Hillary Benn's perspective
Tony Ben was forward thinking, he predicted the madness that we face today. Briton best parliamentarian of our generation. Tony Ben RIP!
God how is this possible? I watched his father speech so many times, as it moves me, and seeing his son being completely opposite its shocking...
It may seem strange, but political ideology doesn't always run within families.
I vote that all of the MPs that voted in favour of this motion should go in and fight as ground troops against ISIS. If they love war so much, let them fight it.
That's why we have an army
+Dicky Weaver
This plethora of bum bandits couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. They enjoy sending other peoples sons to die for the zionist cause.
be careful mate, just imagine what they will be asking for expenses if they do go.
on a serious note i agree with your sentiment here, they continually lie and betray all of us and instead of changing this they want to bring more misery to everyone.
***** and they would be wrong because their troubles were instigated by the allied forces destabalising the area with their illegal war.
+Dicky Weaver
No, they stay safe at home and make money.
Cameron to spend billions bombing and ‘reconstructing’ Syria, so these rich people get richer.
Government spending billions on bombing while cutting social services.
www.thecanary.co/2015/12/03/cameron-spend-billions-bombing-reconstructing-syria-rich-people-get-richer/
www.thecanary.co/2015/12/04/one-airstrike-pay-19-nurses/
He has put shame on his father's name
Tony Benn would disown Hillary if he were still alive. He was disappointed with him about Iraq.
I love Tony Benn and am not fond of Hill;art Benn but that’s a pretty horrible thing to say. I doubt he’d disown his own son over a political difference.
Tony Benn the best Prime minister we Never had
No fan of Socialism or Tony Benns beliefs. But his speeches were amazing and required great thinking to refute. Man is legendary.
Tony Benn all the way, a principled politician and I believe history has shown him to be right. Look at the mess Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have been left in. Intensions may have been good, but the outcome hasn't been.
What a shame. Not a shadow of his father.
It's so sad that people didn't listen to Tony benn he was one of the greatest humans to ever walk the earth and I'm so lucky I got to meet him so many times
Oh Tony would be so ashamed of his son...
Disgraced by his own son
hard times; great men, good times; weak men, etc. etc.
People who say this shit forget people are weak when they’re abused. For instance, former cult members are MUCH more likely to join other cults than people who haven’t been a member of a cult
What a bloody contrast between Tony B and Hilarious Benn.
0:40
Never been more honourable man has been in PARLIAMENT
Tony Benn
Only man who understood TRUE price of WAR
Look at Corbyn getting inspiration from the great man here.
Such a contrast to Tony benn . The son completely was wrong
Damn the flip from Tony Benn. Cordial and jovial initially to empassioned and angry. What a speaker.
Tony Benn was a great man
Hillary Benn was a great berk
Interesting that Jeremy Corbin is sat back left of both speeches.
Tony Benn, a statesman if ever there was one.
Tony Benn was a great loss to ethics and democracy. I miss his sensible straight forward, and just voice.
Tony benn never said, and apparently wouldn’t hear a word against, his son, but I can’t help think he must have been deeply disappointed in his son, here..
I respect, admire and enjoy listening to Sir Tony Benn. There's an arabic saying that "Fire leaves only ashes" I think Tony was unique but his son unfortunately is very different.
Truth vs propaganda. Tony must've been turning in his grave.
I really don't black Hilary Benn for doing this. If my dad named me Hilary I'd try to destroy his legacy too.
I hope Hilary Benn is reflecting on these words and the state of Syria today.
Tony Benn the legend...can listen to him over and over again. The son is no match to his dad.
How did Tony create a war mongerer
what a shame! Capitalist greed has also taken over the great Benn's household. what a shame!
And Corbyn was behind both of them...
Backbench to frontbench.
admiration for Tony and dislike for Hilary
Asleep in the first one.
Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn! You sir are a legend. My hero.
WOW 47 seconds in and I can feel the hairs on my neck stand up, we need ppl like him more than ever now, human decency literally radiating from his every syllable. What’s worse is he has been proven right.
We get Pritti Patel… 😫
Was that Edward Heath ? 1:42
Was he the former PM Tony Benn eas referring to?
Lol at Corbyn being in the background of both clips
His father was a better man.
Tony Benn so is nothing like his farther Tony was a woderful speaker his son was week
Tony Benn was an amazing man. An eloquent silver tongued man, wholly motivated by his principles. I believe those principles were catastrophically wrong, but it commends the man that he was able to remain pure and passionate after so many years in the gutter of politics.
Take note of the nature of the man who holds these principles that you believe are catastrophically wrong. He is a good man, a just man and as you said an eloquent one. The others are full of greed and care only for themselves and their immediate family and friends, not for the good of mankind. You should think about this.
Both men made valid arguments. A son is not beholden to his father's views. Times have changed between 98 and 2015.
One off the best speech ever.!
I was appauled when watching the son speak that live. I still sort of am.
It is very rare to have British men to have morals, Tony was a rare gem and so is Corbyn sitting behind him.
Hilary the Lesser.
Son of Tony - His son Hilary is a living smear on Tony's memory - Chalk & Cheese!
I love Tony Benn
Jeremy Corbyn was at the back listening to Tony. Now Jeremy is behind Tony's son, listening or seething?
I wish he was still with us to voice his views
Hilary Benn's speech was NOTHING compared to his father. The choice of word, the tonality, the sincerity, the confidence, etc. everything Tony Benn presented was whole-heartedly and carefully crafted to express his passion and determination to stop the war. His intention had nothing to do with politics; nothing to do with money; nothing to do with the interest of those who would benefit him were he to vote against the war. He genuinely cared for the lives of those innocent people who, in Tony Benn's words, had no part to play in the brutality of the regime which they were dealing with.
In contrast, Hilary constantly went back and forth with his "script", so he could make sure he mentioned every single one of those who he deemed beneficial to his political campaign. His body languages showed no passion towards his seemingly righteous words. It only showed brilliant acting, a deliberate plan of artificial movements in attempt to persuade. However, no matter how he tried to raise and lower his tone or waving his hands strongly in different direction, a show is just a show. Oh how typical it is that majority of modern politicians nowadays act in this shameful way while pretending to represent the interest of the people.
hilary benn should get his tin hat on and fight disgraceful
Just look who's sitting behind Tony!
I watched 10000 times 😔😔😢😢😢🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
He has forgotten the face of his father
The greatest betrayal of all keeps happening. 💔
Tony Benn would be disgusted at his son's EU Surrender Bill.
This is why he is father.
I’d give anything for a politician like this in this day and age
Corbyn there looking at Tony in complete admiration. Probably Jeremy's hero. Mine too, Jez.
One should have been Labour Leader....the other one should NEVER have been Labour Leader.
What a great man. Principles he believed in.
Hilary Benn's father would be ashamed of him.
A disgrace to his father.
What a speech
Two completely different scenarios
I love how Corbyn is in the background in both of them 😂
The emotion Tony Benn showed near the end of his speech
Tony Benn terrific
Tony Benn did not forgive many for their war mongering views, but as Hilary Benn gained more and more power from his ambition, his father not only forgave him but actually was proud of Hilary. His Diaries confirm it. It just shows that pride in one's own son takes preference over everything else, as only that can explain the chasm between father and son as to policy on world events.
The problem is..I whole heartedly and from the bottom of my heart agree with both of them! Tony would be proud of his son and his firmly resolute views...better a strong opinion than indifference
Can't believe he was Tony Benn's son
Hilary thinking he’s Sue in Johnny Cash ‘A boy named Sue’
Tony Benn was a staunch Eurosceptic too. Something Hilary but also Jeremy should have the guts to take on.
I HATE TRAFFIC WARDENS! The only Jew here is you, communist.
Ashes remain after the fire.
Both good speeches: both correct in their content
Like father unlike son
Is it possible to give the first half of the video a thumbs up and the second one a massive thumbs down?
Bravo Tony what a giant of politics the power and passion of this man astonishing a brilliant man , good to see JC in the back ground.
I wonder what Tony would of said of his son's speech.
I named my only son after Tony "Benn" yeah the Benn bit... What happened to Hilary???
in 1998 parliament was not completely owned by the Israeli lobby. Now it can't move without them saying so.
He's not the son of the legend Tony Benn..