Agreed, something very strange about this case, and I do believe it's got something to do with those last 2 couples who came to her party late, were they ever found and interviewed, it's believed she was sexually assaulted, and then stabbed in the neck, whoever did so, was obviously known to her....
I live in the American Midwest. Watching this series I’ve found England has a distinct sound to it: the sound of hard-soled shoes scurrying along wet gravel.
@@19thnervousbreakdown80 Do go ahead because your comment sounds less than smart but hey ho educate me If you assume you're oh so smart I'm all ears 👂 😉
If Gaspa's key was stolen , they wouldn't need to have a copy cut ! More likely they had temporary access to the key and therefore knew him very well .
OMG. When I was 15 I stayed with my brother upstairs from her practice and cleaned the rooms for her. My brother told me years later that she was selling prescriptions. Just a thought but my brother would have known (if you know what I mean )he told me about her murder and have never forgotten. Shocked to see a programme about it.
Hope that helps can't tell you anything else other than she had a lot of very shady men waiting for her in my brothers flat but never saw anything. He did tell me she was beheaded?
The Daniel Morgan case is now the most investigated, unsolved case in British history. A recent panel investigation into the vase concluded that the Metropolitan Police were 'institutionally corrupt'. It's believed that Daniel may have been about the blow the whistle on police corruption and the possible link between some senior police officers, gangsters, and drugs importation. There were also links to the press, which Gordon Brown later described in parliament as 'the criminal media nexus'. Daniel Morgan's business partner, John Reese, was charged with Daniel's murder, but the case didn't reach court. He later ended up working for the News of the World and a number of other publications. The Guardian alleged that Reece was involved in unauthorised access to computer data and bank accounts, corruption of police officers and alleged commissioning of burglaries. Sid Fillery was a local senior policeman, close associate of Reece, and replaced Daniel Morgan as Reece's business partner after the murder. He had also been charged in relation to the murder. Fillery was later convicted for making indecent images of children. That's just a fraction of what was going on. Perhaps it could be summed up by an admission from a barrister representing the Met in court: he said that the murder inquiry had exposed an 'invidious web of corrupt police officers' in south London in the 1980s and 1990s. For anyone interested in further info, the podcast 'Untold: The Daniel Morgan Murders' covers it in depth, and the official panel report can be found on the UK government website.
Yet not one of those people at the party, nor her friends ever came forwards to give any information, I find that rather strange and disturbing, seems she was just a harmless soul, who wanted to be happy, and someone denied her of that, it also doesn't mention much about her family either
@@BlytheWorld1972 the police need to reopen this case, and look a lot deeper into the 4 friends who arrived late to her party, I believe the answer could lie with them....
That's London for you back then and still the same today. You can live in London for years and never know your neighbour or speak with them. It's getting worse with the influx of migration from Eastern Europe and different groups of people desiring to live in their own enclaves.
Updated information on Lorna Found dead in her Clapham flat on 29 August 1986 after flies were seen at the window of the flat at Tasman Road where she lived alone. She had been lying there for nearly a month before being discovered by which time she had badly decomposed and infested with insects. She had died from stab wounds to the neck having been stabbed to death with a carving fork. The fork had been forcefully driven down into her neck and it was thought that there had been a sexual motive behind her murder. She had last been seen a month before she was found. It was thought that she died on 1 August 1987. The police broke her door in on 29 August 1987 after neighbours became worried after not seeing her for some time and noticing a swarm of blow flys at her window. She was found dead in her bedroom dressed only in her underclothes. She had two puncture wounds to the front of her neck 0.5 inches wide and 1 inch apart. She also had 2 long cuts in her right palm that were probably caused whilst she tried to defend herself. A mans was charged with her murder after his fingerprints were found in her flat but he was released when the case against him was dropped due to insufficient evidence. Lorna Hayles, from Jamaica had been a print worker and a bar main but was unemployed. She also had a 12 year old son.
I've always thought that the answer lies with the last 2 couples who attended her barbecue, late that night, maybe it was jealousy on behalf of one the ladies, but there again a report states she was apparently sexually assaulted, which tends to point more towards one of the men, I'm wondering if one of them was trying make her do something she didn't want to do, she picked up the carving fork to defend herself, and it was taken off of her, and used to kill her, in a fit of anger, she was only a short slightly built lady, so trying to fight off a fully grown man would've been more or less impossible by herself, its very sad that her son was being taken abroad, nothing is mentioned about any of her family, no interviews, the arrested man wasn't named, and the trail seems to have gone cold, being the metropolitan police, I'm sure they just brushed it off as another unsolved "ethnic crime" which is really sad, I only hope whoever was guilty of such an unnecessary dreadful crime, will be caught and punished for it, unless of course that person committed another crime, and has already paid the penalty for it, R.I.P Lorna Hayles......🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Doctor said she lived with a friend until an unfortunate accident where she lost that friend to fire. Perhaps it’s related to her own demise as she was set on fire?
I would have thought so too. Too much of a coincidence. However, they didn't seem to find a connection. I find it strange that they never explained properly whether the visitor due in the evening was likely to be the murderer arriving earlier (and if not, whether the friend still arrived later). It's all very strange. It looks like whoever did this managed to leave without being seen and covered their tracks.
25:46, this is what always amuses me about English culture: the employer goes to check the employee if they're absent from work for one day. For one day they get concerned?!
nowadays you could be lying dead at your desk and they would only be concerned that you haven't logged off your PC because they want to do a system update..!
Is it any wonder crimes don't get solved in England any more? You need coppers like the ones in the first segment to have a chance. A few bad situations or outcomes and you decided you knew best and could be policed better by the force you have today. How'd that work out for you? I don't really care for police but I prefer them to criminals. I guess you can be confident today that nobody will say anything that hurts your feelings. I'd rather be confident my sons and daughters will be safe but you can't have it all. I suspect you ain't seen nothing yet. Give it a couple more decades.
Small detail, but the guitar behind Lorna, when she's wearing the gold dress, is left handed. Could that be revealing? Left handers tend to be a significant minority musically
Whilst crimewatch is popular, I bet less than 99% of people have been in a position to contribute anything to solving the crimes. At very best people can must a connection, such as 'OMG, I was alive when that happened!! What are the chances!!!'. etc. Obviously it helps if your old and senile and actually remember the 1980s.
The good old days , we had no technology , we weren't being watched 24/7 and we had freedom of speak and expression . Although most of had less in the way of material possessions , life was somehow simpler and less complicated . Violent crime was much rarer then than now .
@@johnniethepom7545 the good days child abduction, young mothers force into homes and they children put into care homes where were they abused/ murdered , priest abusing young boys/ girls , pedophiles were rife with the entertainment industry, armed robbery, thousands of unsolved murders, racial attacks etc
@johnniethepom7545 no technology but plenty of unsloved murders, robberies, rape child abuse, etc crime was higher back then than now because you commit a crime and get away with it . It's funny how all the entertainment back then is now being exposed to child abuse
@johnniethepom7545 very true in some aspects, but crime was much harder to solve back then, unlike today, with advanced DNA technology, and the use of CCTV, I don't particularly like being watched every minute of the day, but as long as I'm not breaking the law, I've nothing to worry about
That woman at the end of the video in the Daniel Morgan case looks slightly like Suzy Lamplugh to me. Can't be her though cos she was killed the year before
I love the 80s crime watches so gritty and dark with the soft lens of the camera love it
If you enjoy the reconstructions search the railway killers special it shows you a lot of footage of a mid 80s London its creepy and chilling.
@@BlytheWorld1972 ive seen it love the 80s ones and the 80s movies in general i was brought up in the best decade 👍👍👍
I don’t enjoy the pain for those left behind and whether the killers have been caught. Rest in peace and condolences to family and friends 🕊🕊
The Lorna hayles story was just so sad poor woman
Agreed, something very strange about this case, and I do believe it's got something to do with those last 2 couples who came to her party late, were they ever found and interviewed, it's believed she was sexually assaulted, and then stabbed in the neck, whoever did so, was obviously known to her....
I live in the American Midwest. Watching this series I’ve found England has a distinct sound to it: the sound of hard-soled shoes scurrying along wet gravel.
😂
We dont`t fuck our sisters thankfully in the UK ,
I love that sound I think I'm crackers 😂
I watch old school crime watch religiously I think it's a great show 😁
Its just CW.
Well now! We can't all be super cool and extra smart can we?
@@CARLIN4737 and its my opinion so your point is?
@@19thnervousbreakdown80 in regards to what exactly? Context babes 😘
@@19thnervousbreakdown80 Do go ahead because your comment sounds less than smart but hey ho educate me If you assume you're oh so smart I'm all ears 👂 😉
If Gaspa's key was stolen , they wouldn't need to have a copy cut ! More likely they had temporary access to the key and therefore knew him very well .
business partner or jealous husband/boyfriend of one of the women he was knocking off. greed or jealously seems to be the motive here.
Apparently, he was murdered over gambling debts, according to a Google search...
OMG. When I was 15 I stayed with my brother upstairs from her practice and cleaned the rooms for her. My brother told me years later that she was selling prescriptions. Just a thought but my brother would have known (if you know what I mean )he told me about her murder and have never forgotten. Shocked to see a programme about it.
Hope that helps can't tell you anything else other than she had a lot of very shady men waiting for her in my brothers flat but never saw anything. He did tell me she was beheaded?
who are you two on about?@@mabeluk6272
@@mabeluk6272your denying justice to her family by not saying anything . I hope you know that. Pathetic
@@JoeRogansForeheadI did report it
@@mabeluk6272fair dues is fair dues my ol' mucka
its so sad people are killed and then no one is ever prosecuted sad ..
Awful left behind also !!!
It scary to know murders walk among us
@@Maz-zb9uf murders or murderers ?
yawn
Some don't get caught because it's not a shame they were killed but people keep yapping don't they lad...
The Daniel Morgan case is now the most investigated, unsolved case in British history. A recent panel investigation into the vase concluded that the Metropolitan Police were 'institutionally corrupt'. It's believed that Daniel may have been about the blow the whistle on police corruption and the possible link between some senior police officers, gangsters, and drugs importation. There were also links to the press, which Gordon Brown later described in parliament as 'the criminal media nexus'. Daniel Morgan's business partner, John Reese, was charged with Daniel's murder, but the case didn't reach court. He later ended up working for the News of the World and a number of other publications. The Guardian alleged that Reece was involved in unauthorised access to computer data and bank accounts, corruption of police officers and alleged commissioning of burglaries. Sid Fillery was a local senior policeman, close associate of Reece, and replaced Daniel Morgan as Reece's business partner after the murder. He had also been charged in relation to the murder. Fillery was later convicted for making indecent images of children. That's just a fraction of what was going on. Perhaps it could be summed up by an admission from a barrister representing the Met in court: he said that the murder inquiry had exposed an 'invidious web of corrupt police officers' in south London in the 1980s and 1990s. For anyone interested in further info, the podcast 'Untold: The Daniel Morgan Murders' covers it in depth, and the official panel report can be found on the UK government website.
Lorna Hayles such a shame she just wanted friends :( and so lonely
Yet not one of those people at the party, nor her friends ever came forwards to give any information, I find that rather strange and disturbing, seems she was just a harmless soul, who wanted to be happy, and someone denied her of that, it also doesn't mention much about her family either
@@joshuaedwards8907 so sad may she rest in peace
@@BlytheWorld1972 the police need to reopen this case, and look a lot deeper into the 4 friends who arrived late to her party, I believe the answer could lie with them....
Didn't the police find any dna very strange? 🤔
You could have been pen pals?
The lorna case is so sad. To be found after all that time
That's London for you back then and still the same today. You can live in London for years and never know your neighbour or speak with them. It's getting worse with the influx of migration from Eastern Europe and different groups of people desiring to live in their own enclaves.
Didn't a Mexican diplomat called Suarez come forward to admit he'd been seeing Marina but was never prosecuted? Diplomatic immunity?
it made me sad that Lorna had a party and no one showed up :(
I mean it was a cleaning product party
She looked a lovely woman.
@@joannehowe7513 yes so kind and really wanted friends i would have loved to have been friends with her such a shame .
@@ClipperMaidOfTheSeas i know but still she just wanted a life people over such a shame .. poor soul ..
@@BlytheWorld1972 Definitely, it's a cruel world we live in that takes no prisoners!
two good examples of how life can be so sad and troublesome
Which Two? Plus best thing to do ..if you're lonely you can travel. If your numbers up then, well at least you were doing something you liked.
@@Stiffd1 Dr K and Lorna both were so desperate for love and friendship despite one being a professional person
Did anyone else find the actress playing the murdered Polish doctor, creepy-looking?
Me! I remember this the first time and I was only a kid, I'm sure I slept with lights on for a bit after seeing that one. Definitely spooked me!
Updated information on Lorna Found dead in her Clapham flat on 29 August 1986 after flies were seen at the window of the flat at Tasman Road where she lived alone.
She had been lying there for nearly a month before being discovered by which time she had badly decomposed and infested with insects. She had died from stab wounds to the neck having been stabbed to death with a carving fork. The fork had been forcefully driven down into her neck and it was thought that there had been a sexual motive behind her murder.
She had last been seen a month before she was found. It was thought that she died on 1 August 1987.
The police broke her door in on 29 August 1987 after neighbours became worried after not seeing her for some time and noticing a swarm of blow flys at her window.
She was found dead in her bedroom dressed only in her underclothes.
She had two puncture wounds to the front of her neck 0.5 inches wide and 1 inch apart. She also had 2 long cuts in her right palm that were probably caused whilst she tried to defend herself.
A mans was charged with her murder after his fingerprints were found in her flat but he was released when the case against him was dropped due to insufficient evidence.
Lorna Hayles, from Jamaica had been a print worker and a bar main but was unemployed. She also had a 12 year old son.
I've always thought that the answer lies with the last 2 couples who attended her barbecue, late that night, maybe it was jealousy on behalf of one the ladies, but there again a report states she was apparently sexually assaulted, which tends to point more towards one of the men, I'm wondering if one of them was trying make her do something she didn't want to do, she picked up the carving fork to defend herself, and it was taken off of her, and used to kill her, in a fit of anger, she was only a short slightly built lady, so trying to fight off a fully grown man would've been more or less impossible by herself, its very sad that her son was being taken abroad, nothing is mentioned about any of her family, no interviews, the arrested man wasn't named, and the trail seems to have gone cold, being the metropolitan police, I'm sure they just brushed it off as another unsolved "ethnic crime" which is really sad, I only hope whoever was guilty of such an unnecessary dreadful crime, will be caught and punished for it, unless of course that person committed another crime, and has already paid the penalty for it, R.I.P Lorna Hayles......🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Great work Retro 🙌🏾👌🏾
Thanks so much.
I feel so sorry for Eddie’s wife
Doctor said she lived with a friend until an unfortunate accident where she lost that friend to fire. Perhaps it’s related to her own demise as she was set on fire?
I would have thought so too. Too much of a coincidence. However, they didn't seem to find a connection. I find it strange that they never explained properly whether the visitor due in the evening was likely to be the murderer arriving earlier (and if not, whether the friend still arrived later). It's all very strange. It looks like whoever did this managed to leave without being seen and covered their tracks.
Rachel Applethwaite was murdered by a Mexican Diplomat. He received diplomatic immunity and went back to Mexico.
Go loco homes.
I wonder if he murdered that other prostitute that died 24 hours earlier, Marina Monte, who was featured in the same report as well?.....
@@CARLIN4737ur shit stinks!
Why did he kill her
25:46, this is what always amuses me about English culture: the employer goes to check the employee if they're absent from work for one day. For one day they get concerned?!
Never ever ever happens I assure you! Unless it’s so out of the ordinary of course and don’t forget there were no mobiles or internet back then.
nowadays you could be lying dead at your desk and they would only be concerned that you haven't logged off your PC because they want to do a system update..!
@@killerStranngle that's for sure!
If they have not called in to say where they are, then that's just normal isn't it. Clearly, something is wrong if they haven't been in touch.
Is it just me or was there more food stocks in Asda back in the day . Now when you go Asda there is hardly much stock in
😅😅😅😅
Food Watch?
They had a better range of pasta n sauce and monster munch definitely tasted better. Especially roast beef, they have to ruin everything.
And it's not even edible anymore
Is it any wonder crimes don't get solved in England any more? You need coppers like the ones in the first segment to have a chance. A few bad situations or outcomes and you decided you knew best and could be policed better by the force you have today. How'd that work out for you? I don't really care for police but I prefer them to criminals. I guess you can be confident today that nobody will say anything that hurts your feelings. I'd rather be confident my sons and daughters will be safe but you can't have it all. I suspect you ain't seen nothing yet. Give it a couple more decades.
Imagine being boyed off so someone could get their hair re-permed lol no one needs a perm in the first place
Really bad for the hair apparently.
Small detail, but the guitar behind Lorna, when she's wearing the gold dress, is left handed. Could that be revealing? Left handers tend to be a significant minority musically
Good catch!
Paul McCartney he ws taking drugs also
@@markczarny7088 Everybody and his dog were during in the 70s 😄
@@katewolfspirit6722 I love Kate wolf often watch her on RUclips she's unknown in the UK
@@katewolfspirit6722 I told the police Tony Curtis was the Boston strangler also
Whilst crimewatch is popular, I bet less than 99% of people have been in a position to contribute anything to solving the crimes. At very best people can must a connection, such as 'OMG, I was alive when that happened!! What are the chances!!!'. etc. Obviously it helps if your old and senile and actually remember the 1980s.
How did they know the doctor had that axe in her kitchen??
Good point if it’d been taken away...unless there were marks on her body
Most definitely drug related crime that's what I heard
@@mabeluk6272 it was rumoured she frequented and socialised with some right pondlife. I'd edge my bets and say it was one of them.
How'd they know it was Sainsburys champagne if the bottle was taken?
@@tashachaney8617they left the bottle’s foil and cork wire behind.
18:28 wonder how much it cost then
Half a three penny bit.
Its funny how people say the good old days
The good old days , we had no technology , we weren't being watched 24/7 and we had freedom of speak and expression . Although most of had less in the way of material possessions , life was somehow simpler and less complicated . Violent crime was much rarer then than now .
@@johnniethepom7545 the good days child abduction, young mothers force into homes and they children put into care homes where were they abused/ murdered , priest abusing young boys/ girls , pedophiles were rife with the entertainment industry, armed robbery, thousands of unsolved murders, racial attacks etc
@johnniethepom7545 no technology but plenty of unsloved murders, robberies, rape child abuse, etc crime was higher back then than now because you commit a crime and get away with it . It's funny how all the entertainment back then is now being exposed to child abuse
@johnniethepom7545 very true in some aspects, but crime was much harder to solve back then, unlike today, with advanced DNA technology, and the use of CCTV, I don't particularly like being watched every minute of the day, but as long as I'm not breaking the law, I've nothing to worry about
Poor Chinese man 😢
Involved in some homosexuality. That detective has lived a sheltered life
That Daniel Morgan fella was playing with fire. That case will never be solved.
The case is massive now
Yes trusting and working with his work partner
I think they gave a very firm idea about what happened, who did it and why.
It’s a shame Dr K’s murder hasn’t been solved 38 years later
I'd never go visiting at 10.45 at night
34:40 so cruel!
That woman at the end of the video in the Daniel Morgan case looks slightly like Suzy Lamplugh to me. Can't be her though cos she was killed the year before
a popular look in 1986 / 87
Dr K smoked like a chimney.
I wrote that before I knew someone set her alight. I feel psychic
Not just tobacco
@@TProfileG Oh dear..that's awful. Poor lady. But I did chuckle at your comment. I feel guilty now....
Poor old Jean 😒
10.44 'homosexual acitvitity and those that involve themselves in such activities' HA gotta love 1984.
Pfft. Look at the comment still calling it “right pond scum” 40 years on 😖
Everything about Leeds in the 1980`s looks fair game for Harry Enfield to rip the piss out of EVERYTHING .