Why Are The Leafs Running It Back AGAIN!? w/ Chris Johnston | SDP
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake are joined by Chris Johnston to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs offseason and why they believe they have decided to run it back with this core once again.
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Not trading Marner before his no move clause kicked in last year, is EXACTLY the reason why Shanahan should have been fired! Ridiculous
Thought dubas was the problem tho
@@TheHutchIsOn its both. Shanny should have been fired last year along with dubas
Marner has been producing and is the reason why Matthews and Taveres were successful on the score sheet... Cognitive dissonance
Missed opportunities, inexcusable
@@davemago8880Matthews didn't even play with marner last year and he scored 69 goals he doesn't need him
Fun fact, since the 2018-19 season the Sharks have more playoff round wins than the Leafs.
So do the Jackets.
Damn😂😂
So does every other team 😂😂😂
Fun fact! Zach Hyman scored more points in 2023 playoffs than the whole leafs team has in 2 playoff years 😂
SJS made it to the WCF in 2019 and only lost because of bad goaltending.
It’s insanity bro 😭
The leafs core reminds me a lot of the panthers 2022 core which they blew up after one playoff upset. They just don't have what it takes to do well in the playoffs
Look at it this way, Leafs keep a near 100 point player for another year instead of trading him for god knows what. Good chance Leafs would have to eat a bad contract in return for moving him out and/or retain.
Chris Johnston has that "If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy" voice.
Half the viewers have no idea what you're talking about. LOL.
He’s awful
@@richardgagne3255 the other half need to watch The Red Green Show
Kind of looks the part as well.
Uncle Red Green
everything is on the table, and it's staying on the table
Ahhh the classic treliving quote before absolutely nothing happens, flames fans no longer fall for this.
I already can't wait for the post mortem episode of next year after they once again get thrown out the playoffs
all this fixation about one guy, the leafs are a lot more than one guy away, but everybody hopes when they trade Marner it will fix everything
They likely won't make the playoffs if they don't have Marner.
By the bruins
This is what happens when you sign terrible contracts with full no movement clauses. Leafs fans need to realize they will just have to wait this out.
...did we watch the same clip? Cause the message I heard here, is the appetite for a trade wasn't there, or wasn't strong enough. Not last offseason, not this offseason. How can the NMCs be a problem if the players are never asked to waive them by the team? If the team has no intentions of (or no money for) resigning Marner, his last year's gonna be noisy AF anyways. And we know he hears it. What more damage could u do, broaching the future with him, or dropping a trade in his lap?
@@Cal94 I think management knows they'd get shafted in any trade, and Dubas was afraid of hurting anyone's feelings. Look what happened to Calgary, on the verge of being a contender, and one trade later they are one of the worst teams with one of the worst contracts in the league. Maybe try and deal Marner at the deadline to a contender, but aside from that there's not much you can do unless he gives the okay
@@Cal94 Great point.
I agree with this - its going to be another wasted year because of letting his NMC contract kick in last year, and in my opinion continuously waiting to ever play hardball. If they started playing hardball with Mitch last off season, this off-season a trade may have been more plausible. This video may claim they never talked but what do these 'insiders' really know? Half of it sounds like they are guessing as they go along. However if we all can agree the Leafs aren't a stanley cup winning team set-up like this, why even let Marner play? They don't need his 100 regular season points just to get into the playoffs for another first round loss. Instead how about trying to give some of the younger kids a shot that have earned themselves one. If we are stuck with Marner I would way rather see Robertson get a real shot, or one of the various other players that could probably play on a higher line given a consistent chance and ice time. If they don't make it to the playoffs oh well, at least it wasn't a completely wasted year. Some players would get real development.
He was never getting traded and we all knew that deep down.
I am totally on the boat for demoting marner to the 3rd line, make him want a trade and ship him at the deadline
Also, no PP time at all, like 0 seconds per 60
Yup, I think that's what's going to happen after he gets booed when he touches the ice
ROFLMAO! Yeah! Reduce his playing time and point production, then trade him at his lowest value.
@carletonrutherford1799 He will be destroying most of the trade value to the Leafs by playing hardball about where to go - IFF - he accepts a move at all. If he won't accept a trade, then he has 0 trade value anyway.
Putting him in a position to maximize personal success by giving him top minutes reduces his willingness to be traded and lowers the expected return on a Marner trade. Not to mention, his contract is too big to move in-season without taking a bath on the trade. After the season, and before July 1, he has trade value again, but it will be on the order of a 2nd or 3rd round pick, max, as the team he wants to sign with will cough it up to get him the 8th year (and lower AAV), but they'll know they're getting him either way, so won't pay much.
There is no universe in which teams stop seeing the value of Marner because the Leafs choose to play him in a way that maximizes his desire to be traded over his in-season impact on team performance.
LOL. It won't happen. As soon as they need him up on the first line,about halfway through their first game of the season, the demotion plan is over.
"Hasn't performed in the late rounds in the playoffs"? I guess one could consider the second round late😂
It's twice as late as the first round. Though they weren't there too long.
Came here for this hahaha!
He meant in the back half of a round like games 4-7
Maple Leaf fans have low and realistic expectations.
If we are going off Marners own description of the playoffs (in his post season interview) then yes that is very late. He called the playoffs "7 games" in his post season interview. So as long as the first round is won in under 6 games mitchy will still play that 7th 2nd round game. Hell if you can get a sweep in round one you may even get three round 2 games out of mitchy. Just don't ask him to show up for anymore. His words not mine, but most people missed that little tidbit because they were so caught up with his 'gods' comment.
The thought that players want more money to play in Toronto because they know it's a guaranteed first round exit is so damning. Totally explains why nobody wants to take a hometown discount, because people only do that on teams that win cups.
The Ballard curse is alive and well. Stupid is as stupid does ... Gump.
Parking at the mall is 100% pro tip. 5 min walk to the arena, 10ish min stumble back.
drinking and driving is cringe
@@dkg8985 So is assuming I was driving: Can I assume you’re rocking an extra chromosome? Cool beans!
@@steveh_cdn569 yea you can assume w/e you want its the internet after all
@@steveh_cdn569You got hella defensive so we can assume you drink and drive you weirdo 😂
@@dkg8985 +1
Steve thinks the "real NHL" comment has to do with the Toronto media circus, but he should watch this clip back and really listen to the conversation. They are all making a case for why Toronto isn't considered the "real NHL" by outsiders. Any other team like Tampa or Florida or Vegas would've blown this roster up 4 years ago after the lack of success. Look at what Tampa has done after going out in the first round 2 years in a row. You think they would've waited 7? You think other teams are afraid of change? Sometimes the moves are good, sometimes bad, sometimes they make fans mad, but they make them where as Toronto has not. And they all know that's not how other teams who've had success do business, but yet they get mad when they're called out on it externally, but you complain nonstop internally. The irony.
I think Chris nailed with Canadian teams in general, when a team's management doesn't have to worry about attendance and they are making a profit then why mess with things. Toronto could fall apart like Buffalo or Columbus and still have packed seats.
The obvious answer is winning teams make even more money. It’s a dumb take to suggest we aren’t incentivized to win
You do know that ALL the revenue from playoff gates are retained by ownership, don't you? No, I guess you don't know that.
Today i learned that the second round is "late in the playoffs"
So delusional
He clearly misspoke. Marner doesn’t show up in late games of a series - they’ve talked about it many many times, gone through the stats. He disappears after game 3. Adam isn’t dumb enough to be deluded about that.
Lmao😅😅
Leafs are cooked
At least the Leafs will be saving everyone's time. The results for this season will be the same as last year without the season even starting
See all Leafs fans in the 2025-26 season!
Totally agree with you!!!!!! Money comes available after Tavares and Marner contracts are not renewed.
Money! These players sell regular season tickets and merchandise and that’s all ownership cares about. Welcome to 21st century sports. Yay, Money!
This moron fans just don't get it , it's a f'n business and the one and only reason for running a business is to make money , MLSE doesn't care about your feelings they care about your money if you want go to a game in protest there is 10k people that will pay for your seat
Same as every team in every sport.
Playoff revenue all goes to ownership. It's a lot.
@@floxy20 62 percent of playoff revenue goes to the league.
Leafs need new managment. Lost 7 times in first round and still don’t understand these guys don’t care to win a cup only care about getting over payed. When your players are getting payed more then everyone else in league and never win in playoffs you know your getting played
💯%📠
Richest team in the league. New management is not what is needed. They are doing their jobs obviously.
LOL for using a curved screen as a placard xD
This isn't a topic that's pushed enough but we need another team in Toronto! This will finally give the Leafs enough motive to actually formulate a real team.
You guys don't get it. The reason why Dubus was fired was because he wanted to split up the not-so fab four. It went against everything that Shanny noted publically for the past 5 years about the core. As soon as Dubus publically stated it needed to change - he was let go.
That is NOT why he wasn't renewed - that's the rumour & speculation that has been suggested by the SDPN boys but not one single person has confirmed it... What HAS been confirmed by BOTH Dubas & Shanahan is a miscommunication on Dubas' role, authority, and what he felt was a ''fair deal''. Dubas pulled a ''Nylander'' by sitting and waiting until Shanahan and the MLSE board gave him more of what he requested (more authority over trades and a larger salary) - it is RUMOURED he wanted this so he could trade the core-4 but again that's never been confirmed by anyone - but for all we know it could be because he wanted to double-down and extend their contracts but the MLSE board didn't want to commit the money ahead of time... Dubas is well known for this ''Pay now and hope for later results'' type of GM.
@@mattrix4200 Why are you guys arguing you're own theories about this? Shanahan literally explained in a press conference that he let Dubas go because when Dubas' contract was up, he wanted to explore his options, and Shanahan was butt-hurt by it.
@@joeyhoser this is what I said... Shanahan did NOT renew his contract because Dubas wanted to ''play the waiting game'' and had taken his time and kept upping his demands... Shanahan and the board decided enough was enough and said ''See ya!" Slightly different (but coalescing) stories by both Dubas & Shanahan confirm this. The ''rumour'' that has never been confirmed by anyone (but somehow became ''truth'' to casual fans who like to speculate) is that Dubas wanted the authority to trade the core members. True? Who knows? We simply know he tried to play ''chicken'' with MLSE and lost.
You have obviously forgotten what happened. You must be trying to be a fiction writer in your spare time.
@@joeyhoserwe know exactly what happened and it’s none of what you all have said here. Shanahan and Dubas had a deal in principle for an extension, then we were bounced in round 2 and Dubas had his presser where he said he wasn’t certain if he wanted to be a GM next year or take a year off. He called Shanahan a few days later expressing his desire to stay at which point he served the Leafs with significant changed terms at a pay rate comparable to Shanahan as President of Hockey Ops, the role he would ultimately take in Pittsburg. To me, it could not be any clearer that the penguins organization tampered with Dubas.
When is everyone gonna realize it’s not Treliving it’s Shanahan. That’s why dubas wasn’t brought back. He was ready to break it up and Shany couldnt then and still can’t admit the Shanaplan won’t work
Because it's like that time you had shrooms and stared at that Escher painting of stairs that go nowhere.
Nice reference to those paintings that even sober are hard to process.
Going to a Florida game , definitely park at the mall and walk over
In Toronto definitely park at the mall and stay at the mall
@@4PeteIf you are a Habs fan like you, you stay at home.
@johnsummerhill8323 ah the two brain cells hard at work for that comeback ouch!
@@4PeteHit a nerve.
@johnsummerhill8323 here's a nerve hitter for ya "third round of playoff" if you even know what that is
Every summer they are spamming Marner regular season stats and everybody is convinced again to keep him, and dont tell me about his playoffs stats, hes still ass even if he put points
Puts assists*
But yes, he’s a garbage, even useless, dare I say detriment to the team in the playoffs…for $10.9M
@@Mike-sl5lu...doesnt he have a higher ppg average than Willy and Mathews in the playoffs....thats his job...he wasn't drafted to be physical.
Yet, he took control of the only series win they've had in 20 years... smh
@@Lemontheparakeetare you referencing Marner here?
I’m just confused as your comment said that he carried a series which in fact he definitely did nothing even close to that and never has done anything close to that.
@@Mike-sl5lu yes
Thanks for Bertuzzi!
The team is better?!?! We don't even have a proven number 1 goalie, our defense is slightly better but the offense lost their best second line scorer and grit in Bertuzzi who was really starting to click...Better, not by much. You can't pretend to win cups when your core guys are ragdolled in the playoffs with no apparent fight when it counts the most. 8 years, 1 lousy round and no end in sight. Berube will be pulling out whatever hair he's got left.
D is significantly better, but you’re bang on with the rest
To be honest Bertuzzi was really meh to me not really a big loss imo. Great second half of the season but Im glad Tre didn`t give him that contract. I think goaltending will be fine as long as they stay healthy I'm very high on Woll.
And the revolving door continues ...News Flash ...YOU CAN'T WIN WITH 5 FERRARI'S AND 18 VOLKSWAGONS ..!!😅😅😅😅
I like that Steve and Adam are yelling at CJ like he's Brendan Shanahan or Brad Treliving.
Management is terrified because 1 wrong move is so magnified that it tarnishes their reputation because that move will be dissected to its core for years ....I'm assuming that's why
I wonder: if Marner were traded for, say Necas, and Mitch up crazy numbers and then was on a team that made a deep run (and his stats were good, if not spectacular, and Necas was meh! but overall the team was about the same, perhaps slightly worse, would management be second-guessed to death with a sudden chorus of, "We shouldn't have traded Marner", or at least we should have gotten more back?
@@stevencooke6451 Fan's have no right to complain atp. They have been begging for a marner trade so hard that I'd put it more on the fans than management
Wrong move? Tarnished reputation? It's well beyond that. The leafs are worse this year. Should of traded Nylander for depth last year. Woll and Tanev are not the answer to playoff success.
You know what teams make the hard decisions, and tough moves? Teams like Las Vegas and Florida. Shanaplan doesn't have the balls to make the tough moves. Enjoy the continuing playoff failures.
A lot of Leafs fans were on the Marner out train after the Panthers series last year. If Marner stays, don't be surprised if they have another first or second round exit against Boston, Tampa, or Florida. I think Mitch would work better if he had prime Crosby with him, who gets into the dirty areas of the ice constantly (and a great passer as well), but Matthews doesn't do that. If Marner thinks the pressure on him has been great, wait until he performs poorly in the playoffs making 12.5 or 13 mil per year.
Why is everything Marner's fault? There is enough blame to go through 23 players.
lol, another year, another first round exit, another round of lies from management, another offseason playing the same game of musical chairs and leaving the core 4 intact.
Fans should be furious.
Notice how the 3 jersey numbers of the screen shot on the top 3 guys all add up to 7? 88,16,34
It's a little overboard how much everyone is scapegoating Marner when he's not the only one who doesn't perform in the playoffs. I'm all for trading him for a defenseman but let's not act like moving off him is going to suddenly make Matthews and company score in the playoffs.
I think the biggest culprit is the way we play which we addressed by bringing in Berube who will play a more simple North South game and stop all these drop passes and hiding along the perimeter.
a little? the fanbase has been delusional since g7 against Boston, but can you blame them? The issue is they scapegoat Marner like he wouldn't be on the top line on Team Canada with McDavid, because they aren't able to take out their rage on MLSE... that leaves the management, coaches and players as the object of their hatred... usually the players. Marner is overpaid, but by yesterday's standards... going forward these contracts will be much more common. Marner is a case of retrospect... years from now after Marner wins cups and goes in the HoF people will talk about how hard he was scapegoated in Toronto. The shade towards Marner while ignoring Dubas and Treliving's mistakes with Nylander is just funny to see, but since Mathews and Nylander are locked up, that leaves only Marner to scapegoat. Marner just got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. Should he produce more in the playoffs? The whole team lost that series, not Marner or Mathews.
Nick alberga the sick and tired guy who’s girl friend is his hand and sock. Man do I miss Don Cherry
6:41 Yeah this is true - They should have moved marner before the NMC kicked in last summer - when they didn't move him and the NMC kicked in, they should have benched him all of this season and started playing hardball a year earlier. It would have made no difference. He performed like we all knew he would and they lost miserably in the first round. What would him sitting have changed? Not having to deal with the depression of watching a playoff loss?
However with that said - by not doing anything now, its going to be another situation of 'a year too late' next year because we gain nothing by letting him play out his contract if anything just increases his value to other teams if he can pull a good season out of his ass (ideally for him not making it to the playoffs). Or more likely totally screw the situation completely and just end up re-signing him at some point this coming season when he goes on a crazy point run, which I bet will happen.
And what did the rest of the team do in the playoffs? Or is it all one players fault?
As I have posted elsewhere, If "everything is on the table" well 'everything' technically would include running it back. You don't have to like it but they didn't deceive anyone. People made assumptions it meant major changes were essentially guaranteed instead of just being considered.
Everything went wrong when they hired Dubas instead of Hunter.
no one else Hunter so he is not that good
They would've been screwed with Hunter as GM too. What has he done since leaving. Nothing.
how the hell does shanny still have a job
What’s the definition of insanity?
The organisation doesn't need much change, why would they? The bottom line is doing fine, charge top $$$s fill the seats & the money men are happy!! Fan base doesn't make much noise & takes the crumbs the regulation season throws them! Change? Why bother? Mediocrity is accepted in Toronto, no surprise there. It's a shame but the people in power are so obviously not fans, well not Maple Leaf 1s that's for sure!!
The Leafs added a bunch of players for LTIR. Fantastic strategy.
Long time leaf fan I guess ....tired of their failures and this joke of a management...shanny I'm talking to you
Stop supporting them. You Leaf fans get all worked up and you're right there again.
@@scottritcey5166 MLSE has plenty of income coming from corporations. They don't need actual fans attending their games.
Ideally the leafs make a change but I don’t think a change solely for changes sake is a good idea if the return on Marner is a big downgrade. It’s a hard trade to make due to salary and if the only trade available makes your team worse, it’s better to keep Marner IMO.
no matter the trade it would be hard for Toronto to win that trade. Even if Marner agrees to a trade it is hard to get better than a top 5 assist player in the league. Calgary lost the Tkachuck trade. Now it looks even worse than the day the trade happened. It will hurt more though if marner walks away and they get nothing though.
@RJM1972 you extend him with a modified no trade or a sign and trade. You can't let someone this good walk for free just to save money. Even if you get a couple first round picks. We lost out when Sundin left for nothing.
It's amazing how everyone from the outside can see that no one from the inside has the balls to do the necessary thing here.
Why would you though? If you had a successful business that was bringing in millions of dollars every year and the customers hated 2 of your major employees but still kept coming anyway would you still change it or be content with making millions in profit every year and keep everything the same?
@@ratedRblazin420 they're going to have to change it sooner or later. give it a couple more years and the Leafs won't be the #1 team in Toronto anymore. MLSE better pick things up soon because the kids are more into the Raptors and TFC these days
It's not so cut and dry, gotta find the right team to trade with with assets you want in return on top of other contract things like salary retention, not to mention that MM has to waive his NMC.
Putting faith in the prosepcts and playing minten amd cowan for the whole season would be pretty bold.
They are 2 or 3 years away from being NHL players.
The GM n Prez will tell fans what they want to hear to fill seats not hard when people keep paying for tickets for a losing team 😂
Chris on the way to the studio.
Fck fck fck, i forgot my bear hat.
I haven't watched that Dangle Phil Kessel video in a while
It's crazy looking at a core four in hockey that's worth as much as Scottie Barnes, is being talked about as too expensive. The Leafs definitely bring in more revenue than the Raptors. The NHL needs way more money or less broken teams
I'm looking forward to Urinating Tree's 2025 'Congratulations Leafs' video. I'm sure Steve will continue to provide him with stellar video clips.
the fact that steve dangle is so successful, tells you everything you need to know about how bigly toronto sucks.
No reason to follow the Leafs this coming season. You already know how it ends.
Steve. First, love the show! Thank you for sharing your passion. Second, I'd like to know specifically what would you do with Marner's no trade clause? If you were Shany or Brad what specific moves would you make knowing you cannot move Marner. I get everyone is frustrated (dad took me to games in the Gardens growing up and still cheer for the Leafs!) but what is the answer other than this sucks!? lol :)
It’s like watching a slow motion car crash…..no, Groundhog Day without the option of fixing anything. Dang
Can't wait for round 1 Bruins vs Leafs again.
Gonna be bruins , panthers or bolts, like it always is.... thanks gary.
Late rounds in the playoffs? You mean one second round appearance?
13:44 That’s why I’m glad Kuch got his 100th assist. Can you imagine being on the cusp of a big milestone and not getting it on the last day of the season? That would suck!
Which episode was this from
Adams laugh is the worst noise there is 😂
The leafs aren’t the real NHL, the fact that management factors the media and fan reaction into their decisions is the red flag that something is not right with this franchise. Regular teams like would never have allowed this to happen, this roster would have been blow up years ago in any other organization.
The issues with the leafs are cultural. This country club atmosphere with players who have done nothing great(looking at you Nick Robertson) thinking they’re amazing. Tell all of them at training camp, and I do mean all of them NO EXCUSES. If you play like trash you’re going to be treated like trash we won’t protect you from the accusations anymore.
Yeah I have no idea where robertson is getting this from, yeah he can pot some goals but he's kinda bad at everything else and they shouldn't be rewarded with MORE ice time.
Marner is more interested in doing all his fancy little tricks in warmup (praying people are watching) than he is playing tough in the playoffs!
Marner's contract and poor playoff stats. are one of many problems the leafs have. With a no trade clause , he holds all the cards for now
It’s be nice if the nhl got rid of the no move clause in contracts make the league more interesting
It would be more interesting to see the salary cap gone. The no move clause is something that the players won when they had to accept the salary cap.
@@johnsummerhill8323 I dunno, I think it's better this way with the cap, before it was always the same 3 or so teams winning the cup, kinda boring honestly.
@@paulthompson8793Then you can't expect every rule to be totally in favour of the owners.
@RJM1972 It operated for 80 years without a salary cap. There are better systems like what MLB does.
Keep the cap remove the no move clause
The people saying Shanahan should be fired weren't around for the 20 years before he was hired, they don't know how bad this team can get
Also, Dubas gets a lot of slack for those contracts, but remember: they were signed before lockdown. If there was no lockdown, the cap would have been 90+ million two years ago. Also, even with those big contracts, the Leafs still had a good enough team to beat the Habs in 2021, but they didn't, mostly because Matthews and Marner underperformed. They probably beat Boston in April if Marner and Tavares showed up. Edmonton made the conference final two years ago and they didn't have an incredibly deep team, but McDavid and Draisaitl were monsters.
Shanny was full of sh!t when he said everything is on the table
The nucleus is the same, but keep adding different pieces til they find the right mix...after next season they will have a better chance to grow
so they waited a yr too long. Treleving did nothing when he coukd of becouse Shanahan told him your .oving tbe core 4. it is the shanaplan. should have been fired yrs ago, but, oh ya, seats are still full, so who cares?? not MLSE.
Watching Leaf media today is like watching slapstick comedy in the 70's, like the 3 stooges for example.
I said it before and I'll say it again Marner was never getting traded and he is still not going to be traded. Everyone says "think of the cap space" but you just know they'd squander that cap space just like they did last time they had cap space. Until there is a new regime in place running the team this conversation is not worth having.
That is the assumption: that the Leafs would get something from the cap space that makes them better in the playoffs.
With the cap space they did hand they signed Taney to an awful contract.
Maybe it's a curse of Harold Ballard as Shanahan was hired on the 24th anniversary of Ballard's death.
I was sceptical that anything major would happen. I don't know why Marner would agree to a trade, I don't see why any team would offer anything of substance (in a potential deal for Marner) when they can sign him for nothing next year, and I don't see why the new coach (and the Board at MLSE) would agree to any trade that would arguably make the team weaker, at least in the short term. I maintain that the team should just let Marner and Tavares leave at the end of next season and use their money to improve the club.
I agree that is the best solution. After their contracts are up, let them walk and be happy with the extra cap space.
Matthews must be glad everyone is distracted talking about Mitch's lack of playoff scoring
Very simple. (1) They have no choice on the Core 4 except to wait out the expiry of Marner and Taveres' contracts. (2) There ARE several major changes to the team: the coach - upgraded to a proven Stanley Cup winner from a Marlies grad, the starting goaltender and the D-Core.
I really think this coming year will be all-or-nothing for the Core 4 under Berube. Either they shape up for the playoffs into the playoff contending group they were meant to be, or they get broken up completely, or even both. That's what happened under Berube in St. Louis when he converted a bottom-of-the-league team to the Stanley Cup winner...then watched it fall to pieces the next year after Captain Pietrangelo went to free agency because he wasn't given a no-move clause for himself and his young family, signed a contract with Vegas and went on to win another Cup.
I have to agree with Steve...this core 4 Does Not Work. Enough is enough. Marner needs to go. Yes he is a good player but do you realize who and how many good players you can get for 12-14 million?..if toronto runs back the same core, guaranteed its going to be another ground hog day come April, may....also like chris said, I am getting the feeling that Toronto owners and management are OK with being just OK, as long as they fill the arena..sad...
Well it's not so easy to just move the guy, need to find a team he's ok moving to on top of trying to get as fair of a deal as you can in return while also not eating salary. They put themselves in this position and now they're just gonna have to ride it out.
I imgine the other teams answering, "So you are forced to trade Marner huh. I am certainly not going to pay market price for a player you are forced to sell."
The big change will Matthews being captain and having a new coach. The big roster re alignment is for them to wait out the Tavares contract, and even then he will stay, but at a lower number
I love it when CJ is on
"Nylander shows up in the playoffs"
*Marner with a higher PPG in the playoffs*
🤡🤡🤡
14 pts, +7
10 pts, -4
Which would you rather have?
🤡🤡🤡
Nylaneder on both contracts got paid more than David Pasternak and Pasternak like Mathews is a 60 goal 100 point player and Pasternak doesn't have the luxury of talented line mates.
Shanny and Pelley knew there were not going to be "major" changes. But stated there would, at that press conference. They LIED!!
😂😂😂 the Laffs make me laugh ,fkn change everything except for the real problem
What makes no sense is that Leafs should have zero fear in trading a player and getting worse. They’ll still make money. They’re the one team that should have zero fear of making a bold move cause the fans will still be there.
That and going by their history they should be used to making bad trades by now.
Tavares contract ends after this season so if you trade away 1 you end up with only core2
Depends if you wanna pay marner 12 or you might end up with core 2 either way
That’s the point. The big three model with this core, does not work.
@@Rain.34.89the big 3 model was ruined when they signed tavares(great player but didn't bring a cup) the team was in a GREAT position to build a cup winner
@@Lemontheparakeet JT signing was good honestly, but what messed it all up was covid, if the cap had continued to rise these contracts wouldn't really be an issue.
@@paulthompson8793 I fully agree about covid, but in hindsight we could have gone without signing him
At 4:12 "This player hasn't really performed well for us in late rounds in the playoffs". What late rounds exactly? Leaf fan fantasy again!!!??? WHAT??? Please explain. I guess second round is late round for the Leafs. Go Habs Go.
"Nielander brings it in the playoffs" - not really, its just relative to the fact that their other stars DONT do sheet in the playoffs.
Such a simple answer to that questions: Because no one wants to pay that much money for players that can't play in the playoffs. The players are overpaid AND with no moves clauses. So they are stuck with these players until they walk. Bad deals since they will end up not getting anything back for those players. HANDCUFFED!! IF, and this is a HUGE IF, they can get a trade partner, the Leafs will have to accept whatever bullshit offer they get back if they really want to trade any of their "Core four".
Yeah they would have to eat a bad trade to move, which they're not going to , best play really is to ride this year out and free up MM and JT contracts.
Steve is trying not to explode
Chris Johnston is good, but the other guys are clowns
As a HABS fan fun times with the leafs screwed by the cap terrible contracts but like watching your show
So, to summarize, we've been a few years too late with acting upon moving any players to better our team. We do everything late...like addressing our RHD position. This team is very frustrating.
The fans and the media have known better than Leafs management for like 6 years already. This is absolutely insane.
I think we all knew this was gonna be the most likely scenario. Dubas effed up and gave those NMC's out like candy on halloween. Much as i would like to see changes, I always figured it was gonna happen next year because John and Mitch had the power to say no until their contracts were up. And the way Mitch is, you know he wasn't about to do them any favors. Honestly, I'm more bummed they couldn't get a better goalie. Ullmark would have been a nice add..
Steve come cover the habs. Less head against the walls moments with our owners and managers since muscles mark left....... love the efforts guys. " more one repeats the same process over and over without showing a change in results is doomed to their own lack in sanity "............go sports in Toronto..
The answer is management only is concerned with making money winning a cup isn’t a priority
Adam, you are the "Brian Hayes" of the SDPN. Great job buddy. Listening from Nova Scotia! You are excellent at steering the ship!
CJ sounds like a great media fall guy, who's got a bag full of excuses to bail anyone out of trouble, even Marner lol