the SNOWEST show: Are they 400cc mountain sleds? Arctic Cat Blast M & Yamaha SX Venom Mountain
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- We ride and review the 2021 Yamaha SX Venom Mountain and 2021 Arctic Cat Blast M 400
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11K CDN......this is not a kids sled at that price point lets be realistic please....I would never recommend this as the introductory mountain sled to children to my viewers. I get excited about new products and this does excite me but not at that price point. I also understand the cost to produce and recover costs but this wouldn't be fair to customers imo. Sorry but on price point its a fail, on platform and capability it gets a thumbs up.
ur gratuitous use of "price point" is out of line! LOL
@@NDayon420 oh gawd i did do that! ill never say price point again!
My last sled, 97 Mach 1. $9000
it needs more power if your going to sale it for that kind of money, turbo that 400 or Hybrid with 25-75ish hp electric motor.
PowerModz, please help me understand what you are comparing it to , when you say it is too expensive ? Please explain , what new machine , in this weight category is cheaper, as I am looking for one for my Son... Who is currently on a Ski Doo Renegade 900 ACE, which is too Heavy for him, and he wants something he can do more Mountain Riding with ... Mind you I had to pay 11K US dollars back in 2015 for this!!!! So, please if you are going to make such a Comment back it up with Alternatives ... because simply put, I am not seeing any?
I don't think the size availability has been a factor in keeping kids riding. It's the cost! Most people that really want to ride struggle to pay a legitimate car payment for 1 sled let alone an entire fleet for the entire family!
And the cost of the trip, trail pases, trailer and gear.
Ya jts rough it's even harder if your family doesn't ride but you do as a kid because then You gotta have the truck trailer sled and you gotta find people to ride with in the mountains
So true my daughter started on a 120 Arctic cat we bought her the 200 this past year And she’s 10 and she’s already too big for it. Last trip she didn’t wanna ride it because it gets stuck all the time she couldn’t keep up always had to stay on the hard pack. This machine is exactly what she needs to keep riding with me because the wife won’t let her take her 800! 😋
Lmao i started on a widetrack polaris! Heavy af, my dad would never dissrespect in a way that he would let me ride a 120...... give ur kid a real sled rn
Kids don't need 11k sleds they need $1100 sleds and learn how to work on them.
DirtyFace George those are for adults too man and some kids like me I’m 14 and ride in the mountains all the time that sled would be fun
Kole Cherniwchan yeah if you can afford it than it would be nice
@@kolecherniwchan484 spoiled
@@kolecherniwchan484 i ride sx viper 700 when i was that age
Agree. The cost of snowmobiling has done the most damage. Manufacturers need to wake up to the fact that people's wage do not go up as fast as their prices.
I feel like this would be perfect for me, I'm 30 years old, 5'2" 140lbs and just want to goof off
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Yamaha should have kept the Bravo LT, and just made the Chassis out of Aluminum, and added a lightweight 4-cycle Bike Motor.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. It isn't the cost of the sled so much as the size. Putting a kid on an old over-size sled is just plain unsafe. Big sleds are heavy and powerful; not an ideal situation for a smaller body and kid that doesn't have a bit of life experience under his/her belt. I'd like to see them cheaper too, but costs are high because the manufacturers have to make a profit and snowmobile sales are stagnant and so dependent on good snowfall. Thanks Cat and Yamaha for taking this task on!
Lol he sounds sooo excited!
Awesome that Arctic and Yamaha has been finally getting into the smaller sleds as our youth are missing out! We own a ZR 200 for our girls, our 6 year old is perfect for the 200 but our 9 year old is starting to outgrow it. Was excited about the 400 coming out, but disappointed that they just couldnt stay focused on our youth. This 400 looks too big in size for a kid that's out growing the 200 but not quite ready for a 7/8 size. It's like they took an 800 and cut the motor in half :( C'mon Arctic....You hit the nail on the head with the 200, give us something our kids can step up to next....I'm curious what these 400s weigh, gonna look at one in person. Unfortunately looks like we have to pull out our '93 Jag until she grows big enough for this 400. Man, I am bummed! Was hoping for the 340 to come back, or at least the 400 in a smaller sled size! Cool video guys, but does nothing for us parents that are looking for the next YOUTH sled....show kids riding this thing!
The snowmobile manufacturers have lost their way. They have made these sleds so advanced and so costly many people have left snowmobiling. They have eliminated 340, 440, and 500 cc sleds that were perfectly fine with normal seats. I know costs go up but you need a snowmobile to be between $5,900 and $7,900 for low to midrange sleds. And those little seats are dumb.
I personally prefer skinnier seats.
Key to keeping kids in the sport is to offer a nice sleds for a good price. These sleds are way over price for what they are and they hold no value.
Should be 5 grand tops
LOL Tell that to the guys buying or selling the old Freestyle 300 or 550. They are literally selling for the same price as if they were new back in 2006.
@Logan Dupuis MSRP for the Freestyle 300 was $3,999 in 2006. People are now selling these sleds for $3,500 or more. I'd say that holds the value pretty dang good. Go find any other full sized sled and see if you can get MSRP pricing on it used.
A 2006 Skidoo REV 800 MSRP was $9,999 good luck selling your 2006 REV for anywhere close to that price. You can't get as much out of it as you can the Freestyle.
@Logan Dupuis Are you in Canada? That would explain the higher price. If not you got screwed on both ends. Sorry about that.
@Logan Dupuis Well that does explain a lot on the higher prices then. Sorry the market isn't very good up there for those sleds.
Honestly just get your kid a few years old 600 of any kind. I grew up riding a 600cc summit, and basically anyone can handle it, while you're learning how to keep controll in deep pow. Way cheaper than whatever this is.
I dont think there is enough power in a 400 to be a mountain sled but for a Trail sled it is just fine my cousin that is 15 rides a polaris indy 400 from 1987 and does around 80 mph and it can get the skis up in the air pretty good to
My seld that I ride now was $600 and 24 years old so “kids” should learn on a cheep seld
Better off putting a kid on a old et 340
me being about 14 and pushing 5'10 I think the 600's are just the right amount especially for here in Minnesota.
The ET 340 would be stuck .. unless Yamaha made an ET Mountain sled that I don't know about ..
My buddies 9 year old has a 146” SKS. Good throttle control all around and is very comfortable on trails and in open meadows. Even carves which blows my mind. (60# kid on an 800 carving is a weird thing to see. Lol) I think this sled has its place but for the price I think that a lot of actively riding kids will out grow it very quickly. A full size 600 144(6) makes more sense if you plan on keeping your investment around for awhile. They also make throttle blocks that limit how fast any sled can go if that is a concern. Cool sled. I think the market isn’t big enough for what it is and likely won’t see it stock around as a model for too many years.
It’s a BLAST! DADUM PSHH. Pun intended
That is an awesome sled and at 40 plus years old I'd for sure buy that to ride the foothills/cutlines/mountains of Alberta then I saw someone said it was 11,000 that ended it for me right there. They need to sell these at near cost if need be not only would they make money off the parts for years down the road but they would get so many more younger kids into riding and keep them there. Hopefully they will get that price down.
im 21 and ive been on an 800 since 2010...
What’s your point!! 🤷🏼♂️
Congratulations
I'm 12 and I've went to the mountains for 2 years
Didnt ask
Artic Cat cannot fulfill any demand for these so they're trying to call it a kids sled no one wants. It's actually a snow machine bristling with technology when you see one in person and there's a reason they're not publishing the weight. They're hoping nobody purchases these until next year when Ski-Doos ability to sue them for copying the Rev frame goes away. There's a lot more to the story. One example is that the sled weighs 361 lbs wet
That thing starts at 11000 so why wouldn’t you just buy a 10 year old summit, rmk, or m8
If you have to ask that question you don't get it.
@@yamadoo04snow maybe for a kid not really other good reason.
@@juhomannela2160 I would not buy it for me but my kid yes. He doesn't need an 800 cc sled.
@@yamadoo04snow on price point alone its a fail, on capability its a win... it just depends on how deep ones pockets are - I could never recommend this sled based on the price. And I see the abilities.
Amen too much scrilla
Oh yeah cause I got 11K sitting in my bank account. Prices are ridiculous these days, 20K for a dam trail sled just cause it looks cool and has a heated seat😑.
Bravo trapper 250 is best mountain sled
The attic cat ad was at the beginning for me lol
Maybe in 10 years I can buy one used for one of my kids for a quarter the prices but even that would be a bit much for a 10 year old kids sled
Slap a turbo in that thing and watch it climb like a goat.
or just 600 swap...it uses the fullsize bulkhead, shouldnt be too hard to get a twin in there.
this vs. a phazer mtx or xtx.
I think they fit better in the "crossover" market. A do it all kind of sled. I think marketing then as a mountain sled was a bit off.
Cool. Little one.
i have a wildcat 700 and that shits fun with a track
Do the Polaris RMK evo review
He said that this was the first "capable" mountain sled. I rode a 550 Indy trail sled following my dad around for almost four years. That was a tiny lugged trail track with a trail front end. The rmk Evo by Polaris is that same engine with bigger lugs, a better front end, and mountain features. Coming from experience the proven 550 engine by Polaris matched with the rmk Evo would be just as capable if not more than this.
He said a lot of things I don't agree with as well. But than again I have not ridden one.
So snowmobiles have been getting lighter for a long time now and they have been extending track length and paddles. So with the mountain needing torque why isn't a 600 instantly seen as the right sled for kids. If this was a trail sled 400 would do but you lose like half the power between driving uphill, being at high altitude, and having powder instead of packed snow.
Sounds like a brigs and Stratton engine
I don’t agree with adding the mountain bar. The mountain grab bar is such a terrible habit. Better to not have it so they don’t learn to rely on it
I am 14 and I’m riding a 800 sks
You are 210 pounds take 100lbs off that sled and it'll climb just fine with 110lb kid on it and don't forget it's not broken in yet. It looked like it was hauling you around pretty good. Mean looking sled too.
Yeah, that's the crazy part of these video reviews. This guy is a really big dude. He's 6'4" and 210 lbs and wearing a backpack. Which means there's close to 250 lbs of dude on this sled and about 70 lbs of fuel (11+ gallons). So at minimum it's hauling, at 7K+ ft 300+ lbs in powder.
It would obviously do wayyyyyy better with only 200 lbs on board (fuel and rider). Like night and day difference. Especially considering the sled dry is 70 lbs lighter than a full sized sled (361lbs vs. ~440 lbs). Think about how huge that weight difference is. 80 lbs!!!!!
These reviews need a guy who weighs 140 lbs. That's probably going to be hard to find because there aren't many guys that size that would find this sport even remotely interesting because nothing is built for them. It's all built for 200+ lb dudes.
I work on my own sled it’s does good
This could have been a great sled for the younger rider, but IMO the size of the machine is still too big. If it was a true mid-size machine I'd be willing to overlook the price tag, but this is a "7/8" size sled. Translation: it's a full size sled with smaller plastics. Cat got it right with the motor size and power output, but they put it in a sled that is too big for that motor. I don't care that people are claiming they hit 70mph (at 1000ft with a 121 on hardpack). They (Cat and Yamaha) are really targeting the entry level buyer with this sled, and if they pick up some of the youth demographic, it's just a bonus for them. Don't be fooled into thinking that this sled was made for kids ... it's not. Too bad, too ... because the manufacturers are missing out on what could bring a very good return, and that is a true 1/2-size sled (with all components scaled to size). Yes there are costs to make molds for plastics, etc. ... but the claim that it would cost millions to develop is a load of crap. I'm in manufacturing, and I know it can be done for much less. the sled market is small, so I can't say whether the ROI on a true 1/2 size sled would pay off in the first year or two. The demo for sleds is largely middle aged men who tend to spend money on things they want. A true 1/2 sized sled with current suspension and decent power would IMO, sell much better than this sled, as a lot of the demo for this industry have sons and/or grandsons, and they would be much quicker to open there wallets IF the product being offered was closer to what they really wanted. Sure CAT and Yamaha will sell a few of these sleds. But my point is that they would sell far more units if they actually made a sled that the demo has been asking them to make for years. Right now, this is the best thing they've got on that front. But it's still a compromised sled, and for that reason many will look at the price and say it's too much to spend on something that isn't what they really wanted.
I completely agree with you on this sled being too big and heavy still. But being a true half size sled i think is too far. The SnoScoots are more of the half weight but like 1/16th size motor. What we really need is the 1/2 motor in true 5/8 - 3/4 sized sled. I would love to see this sled with a 136" track instead of 144". Slightly narrower track like the 14" on the trail version and a narrower ski stance. No reason to make the front end wider than the current mountain sleds. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Also make the battery optional because I don't mind starting the sled if I need to for my kids. My boy can start the Freestyle 300 by himself at 10 years old anyway. I would rather save the weight on the sled rather than having electric start. Take out electric start, get a light weight can, smaller gas tank, smaller tunnel, track, and front end and you could have easily shaved off another 50 lbs. Then that sled would be a youth machine that you would not be able to build fast enough.
Yes, yes, yes!! As a family that has a sledding disease, haha, my 9 year old daughter is outgrowing her ZR 200. That 200 they totally scored with getting the youth of today into sledding! These manufactures have missed out on 20+ years or an entire generation because they wouldn't build a damned youth sled. We have an old '93 440 that you can't find parts for! The ZR 200 was perfect, heard them coming out with a 400, got all excited, only to be let down! What are kids supposed to upgrade to after the 200? Our old '93 is too heavy and old. C'mon Arctic/Yamaha....you hooked us on the ZR200, give me the next YOUTH sled between the 200 and this current 400, around $5-6k! Man they effed up here. Hit the bullseye with the 200, only to completely miss the target....you got kids hooked on the 200, now give them something to grow into before this 7/8 size 400 or you are back to square one losing a generation just after you gave them a taste! C'mon guys!!
That looks cool. How come you guys didn't talk specs. Track length width that's you know things of this nature that most people would talk about
Pete hun h
@@SylerP_95 you didn't wright a thing
Pete hun the track is a 141” I think
@@SylerP_95 that's good for a 400 cc you know the cost?
Pete hun I’m not too sure about that yet
Do these sleds have 100 mile range? 200 mile range? Or 65 mile range?
11 gallon tank, with a EFI 400 the range has to be significant
My family shares a 2 2020 ski doo sleds a backcountry and a renagade the backcountry I’m 14 the backcountry I can throw around anywhere and I live in Minnesota so we haven’t gotten to much snow lately the renagade I can corner on trails real quick but in deep snow it’s hard to keep I carve going with and I’m only a 100 pounds so instead of getting a 11000 sled for your kid just get a new full size for the whole family same price more power more fun
When I was a teen I had a safari 377 was great for learning then jumped on a 700 summit. I see no use for this.
my dad started me on a 99 thundercat 1000 when i was 11, learned everything i needed to know on that sled then got a 16 zr 8000, I dont see the reason to buy a $8000 400cc sled when you could get a used one for 1/4 of the price or 2x the cc's for 3k more.
can I put a turbo on it
Im 14 and i have a 2019 summit 800 146 people say its to big for kids and to powerfull but i find it not powerful enough
I'm 14 and I have a 600 but I want an 800
I don't go in the mountains
Ski Wee me nether but its still really fun to ride around
Spoiled check
im 10 and I ride a 2020 turbo yamaha sidewinder
My ass😂
Who designed the engine cat or Yamaha ?
Cat...its half the 800 Ctec.
Yamaha makes the four strokes, cat makes the two strokes
Electric snowmobiles will be the only machines allowed in the best places. The noise restrictions are getting tougher to combat the crowded nature of some spots, and to save the environment from all sorts of pollution. Trust me, I love a good ol 800cc chainsaw pulling sick lines, but If an electric sled can weigh less than an 800cc 2 stroke, go just as far on a full tank, yet have %20 more power, and almost zero maintenance, its going to be the only machine anyone will want soon enough.
I only like sledding for the smell of 2 smoke - catching fish is a bonus too
I’m from Kentucky and ride dirt bikes can anyone thats rode both explain the riding feel difference?
Aidan Parsons im a dirt bike rider and a sled rider myself the diffrence is you have to lean and your cant just jump on any random sled because every sleds different on dirtbikes they are all the same every sled can be really tippy or really stable.
I would rate the experiences as; (1). Snowmobile, (2)Sea-Doo/Jetski, (3)Performance Dirt Bike(YZ/RM/CR),(4). Quad/ATV. Snowmobiles allow you to literally fly to places not available in the Summer(like that island in the middle of the swamp thicket no one can ever get to). As you go faster, it is "planing" on the powder, like a boat on water.
Turbo it.
Can't wait for someone to stuff a bigger engine in this chassis for fun!!!
Matthew Pederson 600 turbo would probably rip pretty good 😆
Theres kids in the comments talking about their new 800cc sleds. You mean your dads 800 champ?
I’ve got a 08 600 carb paid 56 for it at 12 years old and bought it myself but I can’t stand the kids that don’t work for there shit it sucks
What's the HP on this sled?
65
Kinda small for a teen.. buy a older 600 Polaris and call it good
I was 10 when I got a axys 600 for cheaper then this 🤦♂️
Call me spoiled but my 2011 skidoo backcountry chaincase grenaded and my mom was sick of it so she bought me a 2020 renegade adrenaline 850
sounds like a Bravo LOL
$8500 plus what a waste of money 💰
you're not going to keep teenage kids riding with an $11,000 price tag. The parents will pour money on a $1000 sled way sooner
Just me or dose it sound like a leaf blower.
Pretty sure they're single cylinder so...
@@213_parts ya a bigger pipe would do them good
Leaf blower sled 😂
I have a bravo trapper 136 and it could beat them, not at speed
I'm 13 almost 14, I got a 01 summit 600, and a assault rmk 800
ivan spencer lies 🤣🤣
Didnt ask
use it for a year and only lose $200? what is he smoking?
Mark, Yamaha's hold there value you well, and since in Mid size with Modern tech is hard to come by .. I can see that ... Here is a real example... I purchased a 2015 Yamaha Viper LTX DX left over with 500 miles on it...He even threw in flares that go on Rear Tunnel, handle bar bag and a Racewerx Quick Adjust Coupler Block... I got it for 7800 US dollars out the door, go check what this sled is worth today, it is a 2015. I will save you some time... 7300 US dollars!! 5 years later! What I am telling you is the God Honest Truth! I have paper work to back price paid ... and you can look up the rest .. fact is I can get closer to 7800 for it . Why? Because I upgraded it with items people want ... Lithium Battery, MBRP trail Can(wow does it sound awesome)(those two items reduced weight about 20lbs) and 1.35 Cobra Track... Anyway point is Yamaha do well on resell, THAT IS A FACT... Even after AC agreement
It’s ah it’s ah. How do I say this without embarrassing the sponsor?
So you want me to be seen on the Prius of the snow? Lol noooo thanks ! I'll keep my mancard intact!
Orrr a teenager can just hop on a big sled like we had to and just learn how to ride. U guys put this in peoples heads that this is how ya learn.. but we went from a bravo to an actuall rmk.
I’m sure a kid or teenager could easily afford this 🤦🏽♂️ there better off buying a 10 year old sled or even older
I don't think any kid is buying this. The parents would be for him. 🤦♂️
@@yamadoo04snow dumb parents would buy this, i started on a 800 04 summit x, 1000$
@@victorhangaas6719 How old were you when you started?
@@victorhangaas6719 "I did it this way so anyone who does it differently is dumb" - okay.
@@johanneswielenga6902 i think its dumb to buy a slead that costs just as much brand new as a new 800cc slead, that i would outpreform and get bored of in half a season. but might just be me that is experienced from motocross and alpine skiing.
Lmao kids out here riding new sleds for 10,000k-17,000k when my 100 dollars sled thats 20 years old out runs all of yall new sleds..... so yall some clowns
This is the longest name in the youtube history nah just not all of us are poor
What do you ride
I'm 13and I have a rmk 850 pro 144"
Your father pay for it too !!!
@@kimhervieux766 no I saved up for a bit he only paid 300$ I hade 8000$ was only 8429.36$
Rich kid
Paid for it with overpaid allowance. Spoiled
Michael Politz shut up bud . Don’t you think it’s a little pathetic to be jealous of a 13 year old kid ?
you didnt even talk about the blast
they have to talk Yamaha, it's the only thing keeping that company in the game. We all know Yamaha no longer builds 90% of their sleds. The press never mentions the Thundercat, only the sidewinder because they want Yamaha to stay in business. I say if you can't build your own, get out of the business.
@@12004tec1 the alpha was built first and now yamaha is using fox suspension hmm do sure seem like a cat
oof i thought this was a different comment and yamaha isnt holding cat together
@@craigsullivan7135 cat is holding Yamahas snowmobile sector together.
NO
phaser mtx with 15" wide track and longer, narrower skis. 80 4st hp is gonna be better then 65 2st power.
The phaser was a boat this machine though much less hp is also much much lighter and I’ll bet feels more playful as a result
Phazer mtx is something like 100lb hevier tho
Phaser was heavy, and a pos
@@ACatKrom Ditto
This sled is almost the same weight as phaser. 419lbs dry
Turbo
Show me a sled that holds value. An old phazer would climb better.
How bout an exciter🤪
haha, what a joke. If you're kid think hi/she can ride in the mountains get them a 14 year old Summit 600. Gonna be cheaper and a better sled
What is this??? A mountain sled for ants???
How can we expect kids to sled if they can't even fit in the building it needs to be at least three times this size.😂😂
CalgaryDynastar it has to be at least 3 times bigger.
So my cousin has a blast hes 12. Absolute piece of shit. He is able to ride my 850 10x better than that thing. And dont even start with the alpha my dad just bought Absolutely insane
My 850 weighs less than one of these lol
If you actually had an 850 you would know that's a foolish statement.
For a kid??? You have to get them off of the video games first. What's this dude running it for then. Put a kid on it let them talk. Your not a kid.
Oh man that was funny !
Not much of a kids sled it it costs $11k. Why does this stupid "mid-sized" class even exist? It's pointless. Kids need to learn to ride the same way people did decades past. I went from a bravo short track when I was 13 to a 600 vmax when I was 15. I feel like this new class is just a cash grab. An excuse for companies to sell more units to kid spoiling parents.
Nope