On the $1.50 early move out fee. If it says $1.50 that's it. I learned that the hard way on condo we bought. Attorney put 1.50 for fees and it was supposed to be 1.5x. His office ended up having to pay for the difference.
It’s my KCC time, phone is on Do Not Disturb, I have my cup of tea, both cats snuggled up to my legs and hubby is listening with me. Absolutely perfect!
I'm pretty sure they'd do just fine in court. Lawyers likely told the landlord they screwed up and that's why they never contacted OP and roommate again.
I would also say "Fine, take us to court." then counter sue for all the costs involved with hospitals and such because they refused to fix problems with the property.
@@Ryanthusar That's probalby why the lawyers probably told the landlord to cut his losses. Because suing only would open a big can of worms for the landlord and would cost him more than it would get him.
If they both signed a contract with a typo in it it's binding unless they add an addendum stating that both parties agree to the change in the agreed upon terms stated in the original contract. That's why you need to read EVERYTHING you sign. Once you both sign that contract it's legally binding, typos and all.
On the third story, op is fine. A typo no matter where in the contract, is valid. That contract is official and noted for. It is not op’s fault it’s whoever drafted the agreement. As well as the person who notarized it.
Exactly. If you wrote a flub, you're accountable. But then if someone responsible for evaluation and quality control signs on it, then _they_ are accountable as well. Remember: the Titanic did not sink just because there was an iceberg in the way.
Exactly. If it states on the contract that the cost is X, and they meant Y, they cant come back later on and ask for Y when you pay X. Its why anyone filing a bid for city work have to make certain the number they put down is what they mean because if they go over that they are the ones paying for it because they screwed up on their contract bid.
Exactly. The "Oxford Comma" saga is a great example of how a single typo can break the intent of a contract. In the case of that situation, it made the city pay millions of dollars in overtime that the city employees would have otherwise been ineligible for if not for a single lack of a comma.
*Especially* if a contract is notarized. Well, at least in Germany (Bavaria), where the notary not only attests to the signature, but also to the contract and its terms in general.
you are so wrong KCC, never do it rven once because if you do it once they decide you can do it anytime they need you too. long ago when i worked at the salem mall (now an unused lot between the defunct sears and home depot) i was morning housekeeping i.e. cleaning the halls, atrium, food court etc. i was riding the bus to work and the first county wide of the day barely got me to work by 8:00am one year in november my boss comes and asks me to come in at 6am on black friday because the early hours and lots of people. now this was a huge problem for me as technically i could take the first local bus about 2/3 of the way to work and have 25 minutes to walk the remaining mile (in november, in ohio, at 530 in the morning) this was back in 1999 so no uber or lyft either. trying to be a team player and thinking it was just the one day as i was told i agreed black friday came, i was up and off early in about 3 inch snow i walked along the side of salem ave, most of which had no sidewalks just street, gravel verge and a grassy drainage ditch full of snow and muck off the street. but somehow i made it worked my ass off and thought it was over come end of shift i see the new schedule by the time clock. my 8am start times are changed to 6am for the rest of the week boss is gone i call her and she says they need me at the earlier time and i had proven i could do it so my schedule was set. i told her i would not be making it in at that time and if that was a problem consider this my 2 weeks notice
If something is written on _both copies_ of the agreement, and the agreement is signed, it becomes part of a binding contract. That's why it's important to check for typos and other stuff you haven't agreed upon before signing. Even if the landlord sued, it would only result in the landlord and the tenants having two different interpretations of what "$1.50" means. The judge would look at the signed contracts, which would probably all clearly read "$1.50". In such a dispute between parties of a contract, what the document says goes. And in this case, the document doesn't say "1.50 x" but clearly says "$1.50".
In Story 3 Judges are usually there to enforce contracts, not interpret if there's a typo or not. A typo that say $1.50 or 1.5x's rent if left blank" means OP paid their dollar fifty and is therefor able to break the lease. If the landlord didn't want to get screwed they should've properly reviewed the contract they wrote and likely ignored legal council on before it was signed.
Let me clarify something you said, I worked several times as a janitor and when there is a mistake in the lease it always falls towards the landlord. Like tenant safety, some cities actually have laws set in place if a landlord isn't renting some place safe they could actually lose their building. Not to forget sued by the tenant, and they always win. Doubt this check out any TV court show.
Umm obvious typo or not, a mutually signed contract is 100% enforceable. 1. It was THEIR OWN contract they produced. 2. They signed it therefore agreed to everything in said contract even the incorrect information. Turn abouts fair play.
Damn Right! If both parties sign on the dotted line, then THAT Contract is what the Courts will use to determine what does or does not happen... This is one of the big reasons why ALWAYS READ THE ENTIRE CONTRACT INCLUDING THE FINE PRINT is so often said...
Lead Driver Story: OP and his Coworker were Idiots...They should NEVER have even started to do the job of the Lead Driver if neither of them were the Lead Driver... What they SHOULD have done was the moment Lead Driver was canned, asked when Coworker was going to be Promoted to Lead Driver since he had the Seniority and when told 'Not Yet', simply say "OK, but in the mean time, who's going to do the things only the Lead Driver can do? Who do we tell the Customers, Mechanics etc. is handling those tasks since neither OP nor Coworker can do them since they're just Drivers, not Lead Driver? Bring the entire matter to a head the moment it happens, NOT 8 Frigging Months later...
two in the first story were idiots, never do the missing man's job cause the boss will only see how much they can save by not replacing the empty position and having you cover 2 jobs for the price of 1
If the lease story it does not matter what they intend to put. It matters what is written. Since they both signed to $1.50, and not 1.5x . Legally it is $1.5
Uh, no. You write a mistake into a contract, that is the contract. You don't get to screw the contract up and then say oh, I didn't mean that even though I signed it.
@@sherylcascadden4988 also only for minors on a federal level in the US. Some industries have built in limits and some states also have them but the federal laws regarding breaks, meals, and workday length ONLY apply to people under 18.
@@sherylcascadden4988 labor laws do not require any breaks or lunches to be given unless you are a minor or work in agriculture. Anything beyond that is up to the company. If the company states they give breaks, but don't, that is an issue. But you need to read your employee handbook or contract to see if breaks or lunches are provided. Once it is signed they have to follow that.
That's not true. If a contract is wrong oh, it benefits the party that didn't write the contract. So basically, OP will benefit from a poorly-written contract.
story 2 is just great.. "i'll call code enforcement" , "Do it call them.." and they did.. suddenly.. "OMG.. They called code enforcement and our building failed on all the things they said.." Story 4 - You said "sometimes it is just good to 'take one for the team' . If they expect you to go without a break.. The first words out of your mouth are 'Lawyer, labour laws and Oh what were you saying, break time ? ' Take one for the team.. Call a union, call a labour lawyer.. Take a team break. Take a team lawsuit..
Lot of mention of lawyers being called/used. Not going to happen over such a little thing. Even if the place was maintained and healthy, owners just get the next sucker in there quick to get the dollars flowing again. As it was, they certainly wouldn't want any authorities poking around - that would just mean paying big bucks for no real gain.
I am pretty sure there are no instances, where I should just take one for the team. Most certainly not in the case of a bad manager asking me to do so. Maybe HE should just take one for the team, and show us how things can be done perfectly? People fail to understand, that in most cases 'taking one for the team' only puts you in a disadvantage. That only tells the management, that you can be bullied into doing something that is disadvantageous for you. If management wants us to "take one for the team", then maybe they should show their faith in god for us to clearly see...
typo, smypo. If the contract says $1.50, then its $1.50 - period. By the way, going to court will cost like 5 to 10 thousand minimum! Not going to happen, especially for a dilapidated apartment.
$1.50 rent break story: In some states that would hold up in court as it is on you and your lawyer to ensure your paperwork is accurate to what you want, fact is they signed it, the renters signed it and it is very likely because of that it would be held as binding in court. if there was an angle to get the rest of money the landlord's lawyer would have found it, there is also this the expense of going after it may exceed what they could hope to collect.
The break thing, unless it is in the contract/employee handbook/etc is not legally required. Unless you are a minor or work in agriculture. There are no legally mandated breaks in the US, which is quite absurd. So if you want breaks, make sure it is part of the handbook or contract.
Story 3: Lease was produced by the landlord...signed by all parties...is legally binding AS WRITTEN...OP & friend could counter-sue for the health & safety issues that caused injuries.
Relating to Karma comment about too many doing a new job before seeing pay increase. I have done increased job spectrum without pay as a printer repair tech, but my office manager and the owner of the business were good about paperwork and such things were discussed and signatures put on paper stating the pay increase and my new expectations within same day of a meeting.
Big bosses don't see the big picture, they just look at the bottom line money wise. They fail to realize that not spending a few bucks now can save the headache of loss of even more money down the road. The employees make the company work, are the face of the company, and can make a customer happy enough to keep doing business with the company
I wonder why your landlord had a bad experience with the police, ROFL. Edit: Mold.... housing units with Mold should be condemned until the source of the mold is fixed. Otherwise, the people might wake up one morning with mold growing in their lungs and hundreds of dollars a month spent on just the medicine to clean the mold out of their body. I'm from Canada, and mold put my sister in medical debt (she was putting so much money on her unpaid credit cards since she was unable to worked... due to mold in her lungs). She never asked for help until she maxed out two credit cards which is why things got so bad... *sigh* Sisters.
You're pretty much wrong about taking one for the team to make yourself look better down the road. Management dispose of anything that doesn't benefit them right now, and they tend to transfer as well so your idea of building a team player reputation can be round filed as a waste of energy. Your health is more valuable than enduring the mistakes of others.
It works... in some cases. I worked at a McD's 15+ years ago. The managers of that place knew what motivated their employees... Money. If they needed a person to go beyond their normal work duties, they handed that employee a meal voucher... sometimes several depending on what was asked of them. They once asked for a volunteer to "clean the fecal matter off the walls" of a bathroom... and that person received 5+ meal vouchers. Sure, the meal vouchers were 3 to 5 bucks each... but they knew what us minimum wage workers considered the absolute minimum to do something. So, yes, it works, _if_ the managers in question are already showing appreciation of their workers who go above and beyond their assigned duties.
On the $1.50 early move out fee. If it says $1.50 that's it. I learned that the hard way on condo we bought. Attorney put 1.50 for fees and it was supposed to be 1.5x. His office ended up having to pay for the difference.
It’s my KCC time, phone is on Do Not Disturb, I have my cup of tea, both cats snuggled up to my legs and hubby is listening with me. Absolutely perfect!
I'm pretty sure they'd do just fine in court. Lawyers likely told the landlord they screwed up and that's why they never contacted OP and roommate again.
I would also say "Fine, take us to court." then counter sue for all the costs involved with hospitals and such because they refused to fix problems with the property.
@@Ryanthusar That's probalby why the lawyers probably told the landlord to cut his losses. Because suing only would open a big can of worms for the landlord and would cost him more than it would get him.
If they both signed a contract with a typo in it it's binding unless they add an addendum stating that both parties agree to the change in the agreed upon terms stated in the original contract. That's why you need to read EVERYTHING you sign. Once you both sign that contract it's legally binding, typos and all.
On the third story, op is fine. A typo no matter where in the contract, is valid. That contract is official and noted for. It is not op’s fault it’s whoever drafted the agreement. As well as the person who notarized it.
Exactly. If you wrote a flub, you're accountable. But then if someone responsible for evaluation and quality control signs on it, then _they_ are accountable as well.
Remember: the Titanic did not sink just because there was an iceberg in the way.
Exactly. If it states on the contract that the cost is X, and they meant Y, they cant come back later on and ask for Y when you pay X. Its why anyone filing a bid for city work have to make certain the number they put down is what they mean because if they go over that they are the ones paying for it because they screwed up on their contract bid.
Exactly. The "Oxford Comma" saga is a great example of how a single typo can break the intent of a contract. In the case of that situation, it made the city pay millions of dollars in overtime that the city employees would have otherwise been ineligible for if not for a single lack of a comma.
*Especially* if a contract is notarized.
Well, at least in Germany (Bavaria), where the notary not only attests to the signature, but also to the contract and its terms in general.
you are so wrong KCC, never do it rven once
because if you do it once they decide you can do it anytime they need you too.
long ago when i worked at the salem mall (now an unused lot between the defunct sears and home depot)
i was morning housekeeping i.e. cleaning the halls, atrium, food court etc.
i was riding the bus to work and the first county wide of the day barely got me to work by 8:00am
one year in november my boss comes and asks me to come in at 6am on black friday because the early hours and lots of people.
now this was a huge problem for me as technically i could take the first local bus about 2/3 of the way to work and have 25 minutes to walk the remaining mile (in november, in ohio, at 530 in the morning)
this was back in 1999 so no uber or lyft either.
trying to be a team player and thinking it was just the one day as i was told i agreed
black friday came, i was up and off early
in about 3 inch snow i walked along the side of salem ave, most of which had no sidewalks just street, gravel verge and a grassy drainage ditch full of snow and muck off the street.
but somehow i made it
worked my ass off and thought it was over
come end of shift i see the new schedule by the time clock.
my 8am start times are changed to 6am for the rest of the week
boss is gone i call her and she says they need me at the earlier time and i had proven i could do it so my schedule was set.
i told her i would not be making it in at that time and if that was a problem consider this my 2 weeks notice
If something is written on _both copies_ of the agreement, and the agreement is signed, it becomes part of a binding contract.
That's why it's important to check for typos and other stuff you haven't agreed upon before signing.
Even if the landlord sued, it would only result in the landlord and the tenants having two different interpretations of what "$1.50" means. The judge would look at the signed contracts, which would probably all clearly read "$1.50". In such a dispute between parties of a contract, what the document says goes. And in this case, the document doesn't say "1.50 x" but clearly says "$1.50".
In Story 3 Judges are usually there to enforce contracts, not interpret if there's a typo or not. A typo that say $1.50 or 1.5x's rent if left blank" means OP paid their dollar fifty and is therefor able to break the lease. If the landlord didn't want to get screwed they should've properly reviewed the contract they wrote and likely ignored legal council on before it was signed.
Let me clarify something you said, I worked several times as a janitor and when there is a mistake in the lease it always falls towards the landlord. Like tenant safety, some cities actually have laws set in place if a landlord isn't renting some place safe they could actually lose their building. Not to forget sued by the tenant, and they always win. Doubt this check out any TV court show.
Umm obvious typo or not, a mutually signed contract is 100% enforceable. 1. It was THEIR OWN contract they produced. 2. They signed it therefore agreed to everything in said contract even the incorrect information.
Turn abouts fair play.
Damn Right! If both parties sign on the dotted line, then THAT Contract is what the Courts will use to determine what does or does not happen...
This is one of the big reasons why ALWAYS READ THE ENTIRE CONTRACT INCLUDING THE FINE PRINT is so often said...
Lead Driver Story: OP and his Coworker were Idiots...They should NEVER have even started to do the job of the Lead Driver if neither of them were the Lead Driver...
What they SHOULD have done was the moment Lead Driver was canned, asked when Coworker was going to be Promoted to Lead Driver since he had the Seniority and when told 'Not Yet', simply say "OK, but in the mean time, who's going to do the things only the Lead Driver can do? Who do we tell the Customers, Mechanics etc. is handling those tasks since neither OP nor Coworker can do them since they're just Drivers, not Lead Driver?
Bring the entire matter to a head the moment it happens, NOT 8 Frigging Months later...
two in the first story were idiots, never do the missing man's job cause the boss will only see how much they can save by not replacing the empty position and having you cover 2 jobs for the price of 1
If the lease story it does not matter what they intend to put. It matters what is written. Since they both signed to $1.50, and not 1.5x . Legally it is $1.5
Exactly what I was thinking. It is not what is meant, it is what is put. Both parties read and signed it.
Yup! Intention is irrelevant, ONLY what's written counts...
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan Tell that to originalist judges and Justices...
Good evening Rob. Thanks for the stories. Some landlords care about absolutely nothing but money. They don't even care about their property.
Just take care of the tenants issues and you wouldn't have to deal with the city inspector.
Uh, no. You write a mistake into a contract, that is the contract. You don't get to screw the contract up and then say oh, I didn't mean that even though I signed it.
re: You can't have a break;. "You want me to violate both state and federal labor laws?"
Unless your under 18 there isn't any federal law mandating breaks.
@@FirstIsa what about length of workday?
@@sherylcascadden4988 also only for minors on a federal level in the US. Some industries have built in limits and some states also have them but the federal laws regarding breaks, meals, and workday length ONLY apply to people under 18.
@@sherylcascadden4988 labor laws do not require any breaks or lunches to be given unless you are a minor or work in agriculture. Anything beyond that is up to the company. If the company states they give breaks, but don't, that is an issue. But you need to read your employee handbook or contract to see if breaks or lunches are provided. Once it is signed they have to follow that.
That's not true. If a contract is wrong oh, it benefits the party that didn't write the contract. So basically, OP will benefit from a poorly-written contract.
story 2 is just great..
"i'll call code enforcement" , "Do it call them.." and they did.. suddenly.. "OMG.. They called code enforcement and our building failed on all the things they said.."
Story 4 - You said "sometimes it is just good to 'take one for the team' . If they expect you to go without a break.. The first words out of your mouth are 'Lawyer, labour laws and Oh what were you saying, break time ? ' Take one for the team.. Call a union, call a labour lawyer.. Take a team break. Take a team lawsuit..
Lot of mention of lawyers being called/used. Not going to happen over such a little thing. Even if the place was maintained and healthy, owners just get the next sucker in there quick to get the dollars flowing again. As it was, they certainly wouldn't want any authorities poking around - that would just mean paying big bucks for no real gain.
I am pretty sure there are no instances, where I should just take one for the team. Most certainly not in the case of a bad manager asking me to do so. Maybe HE should just take one for the team, and show us how things can be done perfectly? People fail to understand, that in most cases 'taking one for the team' only puts you in a disadvantage. That only tells the management, that you can be bullied into doing something that is disadvantageous for you. If management wants us to "take one for the team", then maybe they should show their faith in god for us to clearly see...
That first story was a classic - as Fonzi would say, "Perfect".
Good afternoon
typo, smypo. If the contract says $1.50, then its $1.50 - period. By the way, going to court will cost like 5 to 10 thousand minimum! Not going to happen, especially for a dilapidated apartment.
I'm not allowed to take a break??? Better....
...Better get a bucket.
Thanks Rob!!💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Story2: I'm surprised the company just didn't declare bankruptcy to avoid paying any fines.
And I want to hear more about KCC's crappy landlord.
Hi Rob! Good Good Friday to you.... doing an awesome job as always. 🙂
$1.50 rent break story: In some states that would hold up in court as it is on you and your lawyer to ensure your paperwork is accurate to what you want, fact is they signed it, the renters signed it and it is very likely because of that it would be held as binding in court. if there was an angle to get the rest of money the landlord's lawyer would have found it, there is also this the expense of going after it may exceed what they could hope to collect.
The break thing, unless it is in the contract/employee handbook/etc is not legally required. Unless you are a minor or work in agriculture. There are no legally mandated breaks in the US, which is quite absurd. So if you want breaks, make sure it is part of the handbook or contract.
Story 3: Lease was produced by the landlord...signed by all parties...is legally binding AS WRITTEN...OP & friend could counter-sue for the health & safety issues that caused injuries.
Good afternoon Rob
Relating to Karma comment about too many doing a new job before seeing pay increase.
I have done increased job spectrum without pay as a printer repair tech, but my office manager and the owner of the business were good about paperwork and such things were discussed and signatures put on paper stating the pay increase and my new expectations within same day of a meeting.
Big bosses don't see the big picture, they just look at the bottom line money wise. They fail to realize that not spending a few bucks now can save the headache of loss of even more money down the road. The employees make the company work, are the face of the company, and can make a customer happy enough to keep doing business with the company
I wonder why your landlord had a bad experience with the police, ROFL.
Edit: Mold.... housing units with Mold should be condemned until the source of the mold is fixed. Otherwise, the people might wake up one morning with mold growing in their lungs and hundreds of dollars a month spent on just the medicine to clean the mold out of their body. I'm from Canada, and mold put my sister in medical debt (she was putting so much money on her unpaid credit cards since she was unable to worked... due to mold in her lungs). She never asked for help until she maxed out two credit cards which is why things got so bad... *sigh* Sisters.
Hey KCC may I ask which Prairie Province you lived in? I live on the Canadian Prairies as well so I'm curious :)
You're pretty much wrong about taking one for the team to make yourself look better down the road. Management dispose of anything that doesn't benefit them right now, and they tend to transfer as well so your idea of building a team player reputation can be round filed as a waste of energy. Your health is more valuable than enduring the mistakes of others.
It works... in some cases. I worked at a McD's 15+ years ago. The managers of that place knew what motivated their employees... Money. If they needed a person to go beyond their normal work duties, they handed that employee a meal voucher... sometimes several depending on what was asked of them. They once asked for a volunteer to "clean the fecal matter off the walls" of a bathroom... and that person received 5+ meal vouchers. Sure, the meal vouchers were 3 to 5 bucks each... but they knew what us minimum wage workers considered the absolute minimum to do something.
So, yes, it works, _if_ the managers in question are already showing appreciation of their workers who go above and beyond their assigned duties.
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That's how it goes, for damn sure. Equivalent exchanges and all.
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Had to ruin one story by mentioning alphabet mafia crap for NO GOOD REASON!