"I've never found a drug yet that can get you anywhere near as high as sitting at a desk writing, trying to come up with a story no matter how bizarre it is" ~~~Hunter S Thompson (a man who dropped a lot of LSD)
In Spider-Man the Animated Series episode Turning Point, it pays homage to the Death of Gwen Stacy by having Mary Jane fall into the Time Dylesion Accelator that was created by Jonanthan Ohn a.k.a the Spot. But the Green Goblin used the device.
Green Goblin immediately assuming Spider-Man died with no evidence other than that he fell makes so much sense in hindsight after his whole "the shock of falling will kill you instantly!" thing on the bridge
The crew has talked about Gwen’s death so many times throughout the years there’s no way this will be a long episode *sees 80 minute video* Oh this is going to be good
Here’s my defense of the Green Goblin’s monologue about how Gwen died: When he was shooting, “Fool, she was dead before she your webbing reached her”, what he (mainly the writer) meant was that the moment she went over the edge the speed of her falling was her doom. It didn’t matter if his web reached her or not, either the impact of hitting the water would have killed her or the sudden stop by the webbing would have. As for why the Green Goblin would have shouted this, outside of the writer hoping to explain this, it was to make Spider-Man feel far more terrible in that no matter what he did she was going to die. Though I do agree that him shouting this only makes him more guilty because he caused her to go over the edge in the first place.
"Gwen Stacy's dead!" "How dead?" "Norman Osborn was found with a hole through his chest and Harry's freaking out in his apartment!" "That's _pretty_ dead."
My friend: "Gwen's dead, and Norman Osborn killed her!!!" Me: "WOW, she's disco levels of dead, that's pretty dead" My friend: "DUDE!!!" Me: "What?" My friend: "TOO SOON!!!!!"
"Sometimes I remember it one way sometimes I remember it another, if I am going to remember how we decided to kill Gwen Stacy I would prefer it to be multiple choice."-Gerry Conway probably
Marvel Bullpen: We've gotta kill someone... Audience: This Aunt is no more use. It has ceased to be useful, it is a dead aunt. Bereft of life, it sits stiff as a board; Bury it before it pushes up the daisies. Bullpen: We'll kill the broad. Audience: ADAMANTIUM RAGE!!!
20:51 I love how Sal mixes up exactly which JMS book contained an egregious and justifiable-cause-for-book-abandonment level of character assasination.🤣
Honestly the idea of Goblin being really concerned about Peter snapping Gwen's is so fun. Like I've never read it like that before but now I kind of want to stick to this interpretation. : D
I saw Romita's original artwork of Gwen's death on display in an exhibit in Philly a few months ago. It was pretty surreal seeing something so important to the history of my favorite character in real life.
"Sometimes I remember it one way sometimes I remember it another, if I am going to remember how we decided to kill Gwen Stacy I would prefer it to be multiple choice."-Gerry Conway probably
Sal has already done his best work an I’m not even 3 minutes in. Nj represents again and like most fans finally the story they referenced 100 plus 1 times.
18:37 Being a Youngster with various influences and Hindsight I still say that the “Joyce” Gwen clone could’ve became a really interesting character. I feel like the story of her trying to overcome to shadow over her own template and be her own person would have be really cool under the right writer.
Sal, could you please do more back issues on 60s-80s Spidey story arcs like, first Morbius, Master Planner Saga, Spiderman no more, Original Hobgoblin saga or even the OG Clone Saga! Grew up with them as hand me downs. Love Back Issues!
Lord help me Its 4:30 am and I get a new back issues while also having five other tabs open with back issues' waiting! robert kirkman's jubilee, god loves man kills, batman i am suicide, and under the red head. I've been marathon watching before and after work and like freddy kruegar said in one of the many sequels "i just keep on ticking!" ALSO newbies to the population, the comicpop hoodie is comfy as hell! Get it to fight against the arctic blasts!
HOLY SH*T, YEAH I just checked my Death of the Stacys trade, and it says George Washington Bridge. "All I've to go on is my Spider-Sense and it's leading me towards the George Washington Bridge! It figures Osborn would pick something named after his favorite president. He's got the same sort of hangup for dollar bills." dude wow, LOL!!!!!
I love this story to pieces! I think the dialogue still holds up in some places but I’m looking forward to watching this one! Been here since you guys did Spider-Man blue!!
Finally!! You guys are doing The Death of Gwen Stacy :) P.S - Hey Sal, just curious but for a future Spider-Man back issues, would you ever consider doing stories, from writers like Roger Stern and Peter David, like Hobgoblin Saga, Kid Who Collects Spider-Man, Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaut, and Death Of Jean DeWolff?
Just rewatched this. Awesome episode ofc! But you got me super curious on the old Harry Osborn Goblin stories. I grew up on Ultimate Spider-man so it'd be interesting to see the 616 variation on how that went. My only context is the 90s show and that's obviously not comic accurate So, this is my long winded request for 616 Harry stories on back issues!! Just a suggestion ofc
1:03:42 he's fighting like an uncaged animal. I love that. I never get the chance to expound on this so i'll take my shot. In a lot of the comics spider-man doesnt get his just do when it comes to pure raw strength. Is he as strong as thor? Not even close. Hulk? Never. He's not even as strong as a basic iron man armor but spider-man is no slouch he's in the 20 ton range at the most. This is also a reason i believe king pin should strictly be a daredevil villian. They kill me when spider-man has serious toe to toe fights with wilson fisk just because he's big and lifts weights. I scream bullshit everytime!!!! 3 times when spider-man true strength gets a worthy reference 1. A daredevil comic when spiderman confronts matt at his apartment in his inner thoughts matt says something to the effect of "theres a raging hearbeat in my presence. His muscles are like steel. He's pure power and doesn't even know it." 2.(My favorite and also the appeal of the superior spider-man books for me.) Superior spider-man is having a routine tussle with the vulture. The vulture is talking shit when superior spider-man has a cool ass line where he says "i'm not going to play with you when i have arms that have traded blows with the hulk. 3. Superior Spider-man owns wolverine basically Check out weathersby the savage reacts
I also love when Superior spiderman punches scorpions jaw off, with Doc Ock thinking to himself about how Peter held back all that time and was stronger than he imagined
Oh shit y’all ready for an edgy teen comment? Here it be Isn’t it great that we can just update whatever war Flash Thompson lost his legs in because the United States is in perpetual war?
I wanna know Ethan's guess as to what BMOC stands for. "Bowel movement of course", perhaps? "Bring my other cockring", maybe? "Burning Man over-crowded"?
Spider-Man: Is there a way for me to stop Osborn if he remembers my secret identity? Also Spider-Man: No, he’s dead! I took care of that problem real quick!
Brazilian here. We are constantly at least six months behind the US when it comes to comics. I think it is a mix of translation issues, distribution and the simple fact that they can't just skip ahead to catch up and lose all that's been written during that time.
Yes yes hell yes. But to my knowledge it STILL hasn't been collected as a trade? Maybe more coverage of that whole arc could get the ball rolling on that. Kraven' Last Hunt is fantastic but the Death of Harry Osborn arc does not deserve to be overshadowed.
when I was a kid, well here in mexico comics come like out of order, like I was reading civil war and spiderman and spiderman was already post civil war and we were like a year behind comics in USA it was until they start to launch compilations of issues of different series that we kind of catch up with different series of comics
So this is the like 5th time I watch this video and I just realize something. 1:05:43 LSD and acid is same thing. 😋 I know I'm 4 years late to the party lol
I always felt Norman should’ve stayed dead and have his ghost continue to haunt and torment Harry. Making him such a tragic villain. Plus Harry was such a devious little shit when he was the Goblin I loved it. Also Spidey needs more villains his age.
Ctrl+F+LSD, folks. Yeah, we don't drop acid. Thanks for helping us out!
"I've never found a drug yet that can get you anywhere near as high as sitting at a desk writing, trying to come up with a story no matter how bizarre it is"
~~~Hunter S Thompson (a man who dropped a lot of LSD)
In Spider-Man the Animated Series episode Turning Point, it pays homage to the Death of Gwen Stacy by having Mary Jane fall into the Time Dylesion Accelator that was created by Jonanthan Ohn a.k.a the Spot. But the Green Goblin used the device.
@@marcushamner5994 "Mary Jaaaane!"
@@marcushamner5994 the Spot is in that show!?
Tuning in, turning up, dropping out
Stan's wife voiced Madame Web on the animated series. That's useless info so it definitely belongs on the internet
How come Madame Web never shows up in mainstream Spider-Man stuff outside of the animated series?
@@comixproviderftw_02 when she does appear its usually not too good. They killed her off in Spiderman XXX 2!!!
@@comixproviderftw_02 Because she's kinda useless? She was in House of M for a hot minute
Don't you mean it belongs on the..."web"
@@DefinitelynotBatman Now why does everybody hate Dan slott? I loved his Superior Spider-man run
"The Death of Gwen Stacy"- and the highlight is Peter pimp-slapping drug dealers
Can you imagine the conversation between two crack heads complaining about how their dealer got bitch slapped by spider-man.
Disney, put that in the MCU Spider-Man 3.
Green Goblin immediately assuming Spider-Man died with no evidence other than that he fell makes so much sense in hindsight after his whole "the shock of falling will kill you instantly!" thing on the bridge
"Big man on campus"
"BMOC" Ethan interrupts
Made me laugh every time. Great stuff as always
BMOC!!
The crew has talked about Gwen’s death so many times throughout the years there’s no way this will be a long episode
*sees 80 minute video*
Oh this is going to be good
Here’s my defense of the Green Goblin’s monologue about how Gwen died:
When he was shooting, “Fool, she was dead before she your webbing reached her”, what he (mainly the writer) meant was that the moment she went over the edge the speed of her falling was her doom. It didn’t matter if his web reached her or not, either the impact of hitting the water would have killed her or the sudden stop by the webbing would have.
As for why the Green Goblin would have shouted this, outside of the writer hoping to explain this, it was to make Spider-Man feel far more terrible in that no matter what he did she was going to die. Though I do agree that him shouting this only makes him more guilty because he caused her to go over the edge in the first place.
"Gwen Stacy's dead!"
"How dead?"
"Norman Osborn was found with a hole through his chest and Harry's freaking out in his apartment!"
"That's _pretty_ dead."
Just Some Guy with a Mustache From the sudden shock of falling from a building.
My friend: "Gwen's dead, and Norman Osborn
killed her!!!"
Me: "WOW, she's disco levels of dead, that's pretty
dead"
My friend: "DUDE!!!"
Me: "What?"
My friend: "TOO SOON!!!!!"
“How’d he get that hole?!” “Uhhhh furious masturbation?”
“Makes sense.”
@@comixproviderftw_027
Haa
"The Death of Gwen Stacy is The Joker of Marvel comics." They should put that on the trade paperback
"Sometimes I remember it one way sometimes I remember it another, if I am going to remember how we decided to kill Gwen Stacy I would prefer it to be multiple choice."-Gerry Conway probably
We've danced around this story so much. SM: Blue, Sins Past, Original Clone Saga. Now it's finally here.
"He takes away some of Spider-Man's powers.... Somehow."
'Is it Raid? Does he just spray him with a can of Raid?'
God, I love this show.
It's like Batman's Shark Repellant!
I would love to see the drug conversation animated.
"Harry, get my glider!"
Harry (Bobby Hill voice): Okay, dad!
When Ethan said "I never thought Spider-Man was such a goombah" I was crying laughing!!! hahahaha
Marvel Bullpen: We've gotta kill someone...
Audience: This Aunt is no more use. It has ceased to be useful, it is a dead aunt. Bereft of life, it sits stiff as a board; Bury it before it pushes up the daisies.
Bullpen: We'll kill the broad.
Audience: ADAMANTIUM RAGE!!!
The Aunt is no more use.
I'm still waiting for Spider-Man life story getting back issues looking forward to it also iron man extremis
Sal said “ok boomer” in this episode... this is the best back issues episode
Only an idiot cares about something so stupid, boy
Robert Guckiean i’m kidding dude...
@@servantofka ok boomer
@@ethanrichmond3992 oh no an idiot on the internet called me a name. Whatever will I do. Go fuck yourself boy
@@servantofka No u
The story of how they decided to kill Gwen sounds like how people talk about the Montreal Screwjob, it's so weird
Khalshaza456 Dresden “Editorial didn’t screw Stan Lee” “Marvel didn’t screw Stan Lee” “Stan Lee screwed Stan Lee”
Norman Osborne didn't kill Gwen Stacy, Peter Parker didn't kill Gwen Stacy, Gerry Conway certainly didn't kill Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy killed Gwen Stacy.
1:18:07
No matter how many times Sal does it, his Michael Caine Alfred impression always makes me laugh.
20:51 I love how Sal mixes up exactly which JMS book contained an egregious and justifiable-cause-for-book-abandonment level of character assasination.🤣
21:12 Happy to say they have now.
This happened 3 years ago. Wow I’ve been watching you guys for a long time 😂 2020-2023 just melded together in my brain
Gwen coming back with "This is my fight song..." Heh... That made my week!
This is already one of my favorite Back Issues. The bit about New Yorkers yelling at Green Goblin about the bridge killed me.
Honestly the idea of Goblin being really concerned about Peter snapping Gwen's is so fun.
Like I've never read it like that before but now I kind of want to stick to this interpretation. : D
I’ve had a pretty shitty week, but you guys always seem to cheer me up. Thank you guys. I don’t really know what I’d do without you all
"you're gonna go down there, look him right in the eye, and say "dont kill us" "hug it out"?...🤣🤣🤣🤣love you guys. Thanks for the laughs
I saw Romita's original artwork of Gwen's death on display in an exhibit in Philly a few months ago. It was pretty surreal seeing something so important to the history of my favorite character in real life.
My uncle still hates this story, and he’s in his 50s.
Oof
Tell him “okay boomer”
Sounds about right
At least you have something in common #OMD
Idongesit Usen you’ve got no idea
"Sometimes I remember it one way sometimes I remember it another, if I am going to remember how we decided to kill Gwen Stacy I would prefer it to be multiple choice."-Gerry Conway probably
Sal has already done his best work an I’m not even 3 minutes in. Nj represents again and like most fans finally the story they referenced 100 plus 1 times.
I think the intent of the Goblin lying, telling peter that she was already dead was to tease him. Sorta like you never had the chance to save her.
"WHY IS SPIDER-MAN ATTACKING ME?! RHWISGDJSKWIWYG I'M THE GOBLIN!"
That's comics, folks.
Loony tunes style adaadadasthats comics, folks.
18:37 Being a Youngster with various influences and Hindsight I still say that the “Joyce” Gwen clone could’ve became a really interesting character. I feel like the story of her trying to overcome to shadow over her own template and be her own person would have be really cool under the right writer.
Thank god, I’ve been wanting this since the show began
This is it I finally get to see the “hype” of this story, thanks guys. 👍🏼
man you know what I like about this show? the energy they could be talking about dentistry and I would be glued to the screen...
Haven’t even watched and I’m hype!
Sal: This is my fight song
Me: coughing/laughing
44:29
laughed so hard
BMOC, or Bee-Mock, sounds like the name of a new Spider-Man villain. XD
He can use bees like MSG3 boss
Oh god
Please do Spiderman: the death of Jean DeWolff
Well, last time Spider-Man was in Back Issues was Reign, so they are probably killing another of his Gfs next.
Oh how I miss Jean... Permanent deaths in these comics hurt.
Wasn't that the Wolverine crossover?
Lawrence Perry no, that was the death of Ned Leeds
@@treyurbach2550 But I remember Wolverines girlfriend dying because of Spider-Man.
Sal, could you please do more back issues on 60s-80s Spidey story arcs like, first Morbius, Master Planner Saga, Spiderman no more, Original Hobgoblin saga or even the OG Clone Saga! Grew up with them as hand me downs. Love Back Issues!
Lord help me Its 4:30 am and I get a new back issues while also having five other tabs open with back issues' waiting! robert kirkman's jubilee, god loves man kills, batman i am suicide, and under the red head. I've been marathon watching before and after work and like freddy kruegar said in one of the many sequels "i just keep on ticking!"
ALSO newbies to the population, the comicpop hoodie is comfy as hell! Get it to fight against the arctic blasts!
I love these! This is like an episodic show for me, Storytime with Sal.
Spider-Man in back issues brightens even the darkest of days
HOLY SH*T, YEAH I just checked my Death of the Stacys trade, and it says George Washington Bridge. "All I've to go on is my Spider-Sense and it's leading me towards the George Washington Bridge! It figures Osborn would pick something named after his favorite president. He's got the same sort of hangup for dollar bills." dude wow, LOL!!!!!
53:58 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sal: This is my fight song!
Me: *Dead*
I love all the story around the story too! I know there aren't many stories that have so much context and history but please try to do more of that!
16:09
More like "Now we gotta up the AUNTY" amirite?
No?
I'll see myself out...
I'm only now realizing you guys haven't covered this yet. This is gonna be good!
I love this story to pieces! I think the dialogue still holds up in some places but I’m looking forward to watching this one! Been here since you guys did Spider-Man blue!!
Spider-Man episodes of back issues are the best so much energy so much comic POP FOREVER!!! Whoop whoop
Finally!! You guys are doing The Death of Gwen Stacy :)
P.S - Hey Sal, just curious but for a future Spider-Man back issues, would you ever consider doing stories, from writers like Roger Stern and Peter David, like Hobgoblin Saga, Kid Who Collects Spider-Man, Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaut, and Death Of Jean DeWolff?
It's always a great episode when Sal gets to talk about Spider-man.
Just rewatched this. Awesome episode ofc! But you got me super curious on the old Harry Osborn Goblin stories. I grew up on Ultimate Spider-man so it'd be interesting to see the 616 variation on how that went. My only context is the 90s show and that's obviously not comic accurate
So, this is my long winded request for 616 Harry stories on back issues!! Just a suggestion ofc
1:03:42 he's fighting like an uncaged animal. I love that. I never get the chance to expound on this so i'll take my shot. In a lot of the comics spider-man doesnt get his just do when it comes to pure raw strength. Is he as strong as thor? Not even close. Hulk? Never. He's not even as strong as a basic iron man armor but spider-man is no slouch he's in the 20 ton range at the most. This is also a reason i believe king pin should strictly be a daredevil villian. They kill me when spider-man has serious toe to toe fights with wilson fisk just because he's big and lifts weights. I scream bullshit everytime!!!!
3 times when spider-man true strength gets a worthy reference
1. A daredevil comic when spiderman confronts matt at his apartment in his inner thoughts matt says something to the effect of "theres a raging hearbeat in my presence. His muscles are like steel. He's pure power and doesn't even know it."
2.(My favorite and also the appeal of the superior spider-man books for me.) Superior spider-man is having a routine tussle with the vulture. The vulture is talking shit when superior spider-man has a cool ass line where he says "i'm not going to play with you when i have arms that have traded blows with the hulk.
3. Superior Spider-man owns wolverine basically
Check out weathersby the savage reacts
I also love when Superior spiderman punches scorpions jaw off, with Doc Ock thinking to himself about how Peter held back all that time and was stronger than he imagined
44:22 XD XD XD he did that!
in spider-man 3, at the end of peter and harry's second fight, peter bitch slapped him before blowing his face off LOL..
And Jameson laughs hysterically
Welp, after watching, there's a new contender for favorite episode of Back Issues. Sorry Clone Saga, your title's in danger.
Had a long week and I'm finally geting to this BI
Awesome as always maybe, just maybe the best Back Issues ever? Loved all the back story
Oh shit y’all ready for an edgy teen comment? Here it be
Isn’t it great that we can just update whatever war Flash Thompson lost his legs in because the United States is in perpetual war?
Yep. They've been doing that to the Punisher longer than Flash as well
ww3 gon be next
Anyone else wanna hear Sal impersonating Stan and Alan Moore having an argument? Or telling each other jokes whichever
Cool storyline. Wished there was a discussion on how JJJ hired Luke Cage in the next issue to bring in Spider-man for Gwen's murder
oh, man. for an episode about gwen stacy's death this was hilarious. such a great episode.
OMG this episode was amazing! Just what I needed 😂😂😂😂😂
Sal is the BEST story teller...
I wanna know Ethan's guess as to what BMOC stands for.
"Bowel movement of course", perhaps? "Bring my other cockring", maybe? "Burning Man over-crowded"?
You guys are awesome you make this so entertaining and fun to watch
Spider-Man: Is there a way for me to stop Osborn if he remembers my secret identity?
Also Spider-Man: No, he’s dead! I took care of that problem real quick!
The way I heard it, Goblin meant, "It's fate, she was dead the moment our paths crossed," not that she literally died before the fall.
Please do a Back Issues episode with Ben explaining the manga Berserk.
When I saw this, I immediately thought of Ben singing, "The night Gwen Stacy died!"
Brazilian here. We are constantly at least six months behind the US when it comes to comics. I think it is a mix of translation issues, distribution and the simple fact that they can't just skip ahead to catch up and lose all that's been written during that time.
I had a terrible day. now i'm
laughing. thanks guys.
Woke up randomly at 1am (UK),Wide awake can't sleep,3.40 new comic pop video.I'll stop trying to sleep then and watch this.
35:38 translation: Hop of my sack Son
The difference between Jason and Gwen coming back is one has become a living reminder of failure and the other is a lump of goo
This is already one of the best Back issues ever!
You guys should really do a back issues of Child Within though.
I read that storyline again recently. It was great then and now.
Yes yes hell yes.
But to my knowledge it STILL hasn't been collected as a trade? Maybe more coverage of that whole arc could get the ball rolling on that. Kraven' Last Hunt is fantastic but the Death of Harry Osborn arc does not deserve to be overshadowed.
Manic Norman Osborne will never not crack me up. "ThANKS FOr SAvING MY SON SPiDErMaN!!" *rapidly shakes hand*
when I was a kid, well here in mexico comics come like out of order, like I was reading civil war and spiderman and spiderman was already post civil war and we were like a year behind comics in USA it was until they start to launch compilations of issues of different series that we kind of catch up with different series of comics
for such a somber book, this episode was hilarious👍
12:50 Yes, I am that viewer. I can only get digitals :(((
1:01:44 that moment when Sal actually wants to punch Ben in the pumpkincles, but has a change of heart. 🙈
Hearing Ethan say “I’m the drug king” sent me😂
Micheal Jackson as Peter and Stan Lee as J.J would have been absolutely fucking wild.
It SOUNDS like a fever dream.
Even with digital we can get delays in the country where I live.
Please do "The Child Within" by DeMatteis and Buscema one day. It's my favorite Goblin story.
Hobgoblin series is going to be insane if Sal still wants to do it.
Gwen is more interesting dead than alive. Total side note I used BMOC when is was in college in the late 2010s I also learned it from Spider-Man.
Jessie spannow pills lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ben was right... they are the same thing, but you guys are still awesome!
i was JUST rewatching Sins Past lol
The conversation between Harry and Peter after the break up should be animated.
32:56 Ethan and Sal making fun of the Sam Raimi Green Goblin will never not be funny
So this is the like 5th time I watch this video and I just realize something. 1:05:43 LSD and acid is same thing. 😋 I know I'm 4 years late to the party lol
This was one of the first ten books I ever got. Good times
I love Spider-man and his supporting characters and villains, but damn some of his storys are so zany and wild 🤪
12:52 yes
I always felt Norman should’ve stayed dead and have his ghost continue to haunt and torment Harry. Making him such a tragic villain. Plus Harry was such a devious little shit when he was the Goblin I loved it. Also Spidey needs more villains his age.
Superman Year One AND the Death of Gwen Stacy?
Heck yeah