I always thought Mo Farah was taking something for similar reasons. Mo went from not being able to win the European championships to winning gold in Bejing. The first half of his career he was a good athlete but not a contender, then he hooks up with Salazar, who has multiple athletes busted for drugs, and went on to dominate for the rest of his career.
Apparently leaked IAAF documents marked him and galen rupp as “likely doping”. His association with Salazar and lying about the quantities of certain legal PEDs he took like L Carnitine makes me very suspicious.
It made me laugh when Farah broke Steve Crams 1500M European record. Cram was commentating at the time on the bbc. and just congratulated him like nothing was wrong.
Salazar was a huge dope king. Open secret in Eugene. "Prove it" they would say... Galen Rupp dropping off the face of the earth after Alberto got banned... in fact, almost all of his athletes took time off retired or got terribly bad right after... hmm, that's not how training and working hard works.
This usually happens each Olympic year since 2012. 2020 was slower due to the pandemic. Time was 1:45 iirc But with Rio the winning time was like 1:42 London was a WR performance. Beijing had a 1:44 performance Athens also had a 1:44 performance Sydney 2000 - 1:45 Atlanta 1996 - 1:42
Is it the same for purely anaerobic competitions? Aerobic performance is affected by the mental aspect of running, I could imagine running a full second faster because of it.
The 19th fastest 800m of all time was 6th place on July 7th in the first race and the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fastest times of all time have been run since July 7th. Actually 9 of the fastest 19 runners of all time just occurred since July 7th. It's IMPOSSIBLE to say this is normal. I can promise that drugs have always played a part but the difference is right now there is something they are not seeing or it's something untraceable because since 2022 track times have been off the charts and there has not been a significant enough anything happening that the entire median outcome of nearly every event has spiked for the first time since the 2000s to 2010s. Everything was stable from 2010 until recently then people like SAFP unexpectedly became faster at 34 years old, after having a baby?
the fastest anyones been running is 1:43 and now suddenly the whole field is running times we haven't seen in a decade, new drugs on the scene for sure
Honestly it annoys me how hypocritical people are where the same people saying “Sedjati MUST be doping” are the same people loving and supporting a conventionally attractive and likable athlete like Jessica Hull even though she has also made unbelievable progress in just one year (7 seconds off in 3k) and the comments sections are a world of difference.
This is what I mean when it comes to racism in the sport. Yes people like sedjati are suspicious but why aren’t people kicking up as much a fuss about Hull or Tual. It especially annoys me when people use countries as a primary form of evidence that someone is doping. I mean sure, it doesn’t help someone’s case, but just because someone’s from Kenya doesn’t mean they are definitely doping.
@@AdamJansen786Jessica Hull dropping 5 seconds off her 1500m PB is pretty insane. While I’m suspicious I’ll give the benefit of the doubt until tests say otherwise. Same goes with Sedjati
@@AdamJansen786Look up the documentaries on doping in Kenya. They have footage of runners getting drugs from doctors. All they need is a bribe. Authorities don't care. Jessica Hull is Australian. As I live in Australia and am a Doctor, I would say that it's nearly impossible to get such drugs here. Any Doctor who did this would lose their career. So I think Hull is clean. She is just having a good year and free of injuries.
I might be very biased because I'm french and I have followed Tual for a bit of time (and you made me realised I might have had an other opinion if I was from somewhere else). But to me it's not so suspicious to have a very good season after some seasons of plateau. Tual have been on the top of european 800m athletes for some years now, and he showed some consistency in his time. If you look the time of his season, you can see he is peaking since the end of june ; he broke his pb 3 times. Moreover, 2 of these 3 races were extremely fast races. To me that's more a sign of very high from all athletes, than of doping. For Sedjati, he was indeed not very known, but he has shown very good times since 2021. It's less supsicious than Katir's case, where his progression was just insane, which as you said, he went from "good in his country" to "world top 5" in only one season. That's wild. But I'll wait to make my opinion. Will these athletes show good form in the future, will sedjati continues his progression ?
I just watched the Budapest 2023 world final and yep Sedjati actually faded and was outsprinted by other guys in the final straight so suddenly this year him getting a monster kick is definitely suspicious
@@rayflaherty3441 no it does not. But ray, because I know you are uneducated on doping scandals, let me give you some facts. Lance Armstrong “never tested positive” but was still doping. So yeah. I don’t need concrete proof of a positive test result to know somebody is doping. So shut the f*** up you pretentious cu**
Great in-depth video! These two guys are definitely suspicious but I guess time will tell if they do get busted in the future, or if they continue their fast running with consistency.
Faith Kipyegon struggled to run 3.53, the. 3.52, then 3.51 before she could finally run 3.50. She tried world record several times with no success until finally she broke it
@@headlibrarian1996 Wrong. Check her world athletic profile. Previous PR 3:57.29 from 2023. New PR 3:50.83. A 6.46 second improvement to be exact in one year!. For a runner that has been competing at a world class level for 5 years, that is absurd. Wreaks of PED use. C'mon, get real.
@@gtrdoc911 facts, I know there are girls who have been cooking her for years, knowing her true ability, that is at home sitting and cannot believe she's darn near breathing down the neck of a world record holder during a world record-breaking race.
There is no doubt he is doping. This is a huge performance leap which cannot be explained any other way. I think rather than PED testing the athlete passport should look at changes in physiological parameters over time. It’s sad this is happening in 800m leading up to Olympics.
I’m most nervous about if sedjati breaks the WR and then tests positive. He has said he has going to go for it, I just hope he’s natural if he beats the record.
وكأنك تجزم أنه متعاطي ولايعحبك تألق الرياضي هل مستحيل الوصول لمثل هذا المستوى يجب على الاقل أن تتحرى عن مسيرة هذا الرياضي الحافل بالانتصارات وأضن أنه من المثالي الوصل الى ماوصل له من مستوى بالنظر لترشحة وتكوره من العاب أمريكا 2022 من الجيد الحياد في كثل هكذا أمور
The 800m is the most dirty event of them all. Mixing high intensity speed with high volume is extremely taxing on the body. It has the most to be gained compared to other events.
I believe none of them are doping until I get proof that they are. With the times they are running and the progression they've made this year, they are sure to be some of the most doping tested athletes currently. Call me a fool all you want and if they ever do get caught I will lay myself flat, but until then I believe in them all. Calling every athlete dopers really takes away from their accomplishments and makes it hard for young athletes like myself to have idols to look up to.
The proof is in front of your eyes! They don't want athletes caught because it is bad for business. Have you seen the other events athletes making it look easy while the rest are made to look like amateurs!
it always looks suspicious when a runner finishes a super fast 800m and is smiling across the line and celebrates with no sign of discomfort. How is that possible? What is that person's Vo2 Max? Must be super high or.....
All of the 800 meters runners are capable of breaking Rudishas World Record this year. All of them from number one to eight. It has never happened in the history of 800 meters
This video should have a subtitle, "why trying to make sense of Track and Field can drive you mad". I think 95% of what you said is very logical and exactly the kind of stuff that goes through runners minds when trying to make sense of this all. One point I'd differ on, a pro/Olympic 1500m runner once said to me that never running a bad race was a red flag on the circuit for a doper. I.e. Normally an athlete will have a one or two stinkers in a year, so the super hi-po consistent athletes were, for this pro at least, the one's investing in the juice year round, as it's just not natural to be always on your game. Appreciate this POV only further serves to drive track fans mad.
I mean I just can’t come to a logical conclusion as to the performance jump for these guys. I’m fully convinced that Tual and Sedjati are doped. It doesn’t come down to “hard work” all these guys work hard. Great video.
Exactly. at that level, it’s about changing the 1 percents not dropping your times by 3 seconds. It’s not guaranteed they doped but I can’t find a convincing reason to explain the drop in times.
Dude, you need to change the name of your RUclips channel... it's actually quite good! Definitely a cut above the plethora of click-bait, b-team, RUclips channels that seem to be proliferating around athletics these days. Please, get a catchier handle and keep posting quality content!
It's track and field / athletics. There have been PEDs flowing through the sport for 50+ years - many say much, much longer. Cheating is a normalised practice in sport (and other areas of society). The crusading will continue - WADA, AIU, etc. Good vs Evil, Clean vs Doped, East vs West, etc. All part of the duality of life here on planet earth school. Gives us all something to talk about as we pick our favourites in the 'us vs them'/'right vs wrong' game.
I enjoyed this juicy race, by the way. What I think is that Catalin Tuceanu is not on juice, he has improved in this race, but not far from his previous personal best (from 1'44.01 to 1'43.75), the others improved so much that 2 weeks before, he could have beaten them, but in that race, he had to watch them go away, and still made is personal best. If I was him, I would be very suspicious about the others.
As Tual's teammate, I can explain his 3 years of 1'44. In 2021, an Olympic year, he was running after this time in every race. In 2022, he was stronger in training but not performing on the field. He could ran 1'43. (Difficulties at the end of races) On 2023 he broke his clavicle, and he wasn't able to enter in huge meetings such as diamond leagues ones. An frustrating and empty season regarding Robert's or Meziane's one (French athletes) In 2024 I never saw him so strong in training. The coach and the team were sure that he can run the french record 1'42. He did better. Be sure that he is controlled by the french doping institute very frequently, especially in training camp.
Interesting. Of course I hope you understand that we can only take your word on these things and you would be unlikely to say if he was in fact doping. Do you have any proof that you are his teammate?
@@TheRealBrayoTv did you read all the comment ? I'm explaining that he is improving in training and this year his is stronger than the other year. 2022 he was stronger than 2021 etc... His times in competition, especially in 2022 didn't reveal his real level. Do you never heard someone say "I did 1'49 but I know I can run 1'47" ? This is the case and this year contrary to 2023 he is able to run in diamond league. I don't know how to be clearer except to invite you in Talence to see this guy training. When he comes home, because he doesn't live alone, be sure that someone would have seen something ! (We are just all students and far away to have medical professionals in our relationship 😂) And I repeat: the french antidoping system reputed to be very hard comes very frequently.
@@AdamJansen786 I don't know why my comments struggle to appear when I want to answer your question... Maybe this is because I sent links... Whe have an account "bernie_team" on an other social media
Whoa, i don't think you are absolutely wrong. The status acheived from an olympic gold is enormous. Take heed runners, you will be tested, in the end. C.
The 19th fastest 800m of all time was 6th place on July 7th in the first race and the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fastest times of all time have been run since July 7th. Actually 9 of the fastest 19 runners of all time just occurred since July 7th. It's IMPOSSIBLE to say this is normal. I can promise that drugs have always played a part but the difference is right now there is something they are not seeing or it's something untraceable because since 2022 track times have been off the charts and there has not been a significant enough anything happening that the entire median outcome of nearly every event has spiked for the first time since the 2000s to 2010s. Everything was stable from 2010 until recently then people like SAFP unexpectedly became faster at 34 years old, after having a baby? Last year with Issam Asinga I said IMMEDIATELY something is up. He opened his junior year running 10.9 100ms and 22.6 200m and crested at 10.7 in the 100m state finals and just below 22 200ms. He did have a faster time in both at random events but wind aided and not something other worldly then he opens at 10 flat and 20 flat? Then runs a whole season at that mark? He's not the only one. In the New Balance finals Nyckoles Arbor was the nect it guy in his sophomore year. He had a defent junior year and a better senior year running 10.2s and 10.3z but got like 5th in Boston at nationals. Half the field ran 10.1 something or below. SAFP, take a look at her progressions. She was running 13 100ms at 17/8 years old like wtf? Kishane Thompson too. Then over the last 2 years 20 or so guys under 20 have ran just at 10 for 100m or 20 for 200m, every year. I know 98% of fans want to pretend it's not happening but people who were in those positions and have seen how things change so quick realize when people are on vs when people are REALLY on. People are REALLY on right now.
I realize this is happening, but why limit this to 800m runners? Does anyone think they are the only ones doping? I would say there is doping at any international event, from regionals up to the olympics.
The comments below cover a number of good areas for discussion but nobody has mentioned the shoes they run in. There has been some discussion more widely about this. I get the distinct impression that modern running shoes are like bouncy castles compared to the shoes of previous years. Look at the number of records that are being broken or threatened.
Maybe these athletes have sacrificed a hell of a lot, worked hard every day to be top of their game in an Olympic year, leveraging new learnings in training and diet. It’s outrageous to suggest they are doping based on good times. Go back to your own life and try to do something good instead of criticising these wonderful hard working and underpaid athletes.
He raced pretty consistently in all 3 years leading up to the 1:41. I’m sure he was injured a bit but as I understand he hasn’t been suffering from repeated injuries holding him back.
Given they are now running times that Coe was doing 40 years ago, there is absolutely no doubt that Coe and others in that era were on drugs. How could Peter Elliott run that fast with a full time job? I'm not being serious, I am just highlighting that accusing people of being on drugs just because they run fast is ridiculous. Also, most athletes know that they often plateau before a jump forward in performance. That is normal
Nope 100m has been very stagnant since Bolt retired from the event in 2016, only a handful of athletes have gone under 9.8. 400m has also plateaued badly since 2017 when Wayde was running amok, he has unfortunately lost it. In my opinion he should just retire... In the 200m Knighton tested positive. The Jamaicans are getting extra scrutiny in the 100m also
@@likhayam It could be that the 100/200 is showing peak human performance too which is why times are what they are? Of course the longer distances have a lot more room for fiddling with.
If it is not on the banned list technically it is not cheating. Some athletes find something that works that isn't known about, and they do it quietly. It takes the system awhile to catch up.
I'm Algerian, am confused as to how this is new news? All athletes engage, or have engaged, in some sort of doping activities. Noah LYLES? Yes. Lamont Marcell Jacobs? Yes. Jakob Ingebrigsten? Yes. Zharnel Hughes? YEA. Sedjati is a monster this year but doping or not, his hard work is evident. As for all athletes out here who achieve amazing times.Look at those last 200m... he looks like he's running under 20 secs! Great video.
still, there are levels to it. maybe some are only microdosing HGH or something while others are taking much bigger risks, yielding much greater results. it would be a shame, would that be the deciding factor as to who wins in the end.
The performances in a lot of running events have increased exponentially in the last couple of years. It's not just a few athletes who are breaking their PB - it's most athletes. Last year the men's 1500 was the best ever by depth by a long way. This year the 800 performances by most of the best athletes in the world are phenomenal. Is everyone cheating? I don't know but I doubt it. Footwear has made a big difference in the longer distances a couple of years ago so is it having an effect in the shorter distances now as well?
Je suis français (comme Tual) et je suis d'accord. Trop suspect. Gabriel Tuam n'a jamais eu le talent de Pierre-Ambroise Bossé et pourtant il sort de nulle part ce record de France. Incompréhensible. Mais soyez bon joueur, on sait que l'année olympique la boîte à pharmacie c'est open bar pour le pays organisateur. Vous en savez quelque chose. Pour preuve les USA ont assurément le plus grand nombre d'athlètes dopés au monde mais c'est bien la Russie qui est exclue de toute compétition. Reprenez la liste de vos sprinteurs depuis Carl Lewis... mais le méchant était Ben Johnson. Mieux encore votre "Projet Oregon" avec Salazar (qui était déjà un athlète dopé il y a 40 ans !). Non seulement, tous les athlètes majeurs de cette team n'ont jamais été inquiétés ( Mo Farah, Sifan Hassan, Gallen Rupp, Donavan Brazier, Matthews Centrowitz...) et quelques bougres de second plan ont été sanctionnés pour faire illusion. Mieux encore, en 2022 c'est sur le site funeste de ce projet Oregon que les USA osent organiser les championnats du monde d'athlétisme. Tout un symbole. En résumé, "Charité bien ordonnée commence par soi-même".
En 2022 il rentrait des séances pour 1'43 mais n'a jamais réussi à les faire. En 2023 il se casse la clavicule ce qui le prive de gros meetings et n'arrive pas à perfer comme Meziane ou Robert. En 2024 il s'est intégralement concentré sur les JO. Il s.est préparé tout l'hiver sans faire de salle et je l'ai jamais vu aussi fort à l'entraînement. On savait qu'il pouvait taper le record de France. Certains évoquent les pointes, mais ce gars est juste un bosseur qui a pris chaque course de 2024 comme un progrès
@@Spikergraffiti Déjà, il était en 1'44. Cela veut dire qu'il a gagné 3 secondes pour se retrouver 5° de tous les temps. Ce n'est plus une progression, c'est un autre monde. Il a fait en une course une progression que d'autres accomplissent en de longues années. Cela n'a aucun sens. Il suffit de comparer avec Bossé sur leur fiche FFA. Dans ce dernier cas, on voit une progression crédible. Ensuite, le refrain "c'est un bosseur" s'applique a absolument tous les athlètes dopés. Cela n'est une preuve de rien du tout. Enfin, si on regarde en arrière, son 1'41 c'est un temps digne de Wilson Kipketer, le plus garnd coureur de 800 de tous les temps. Il suffit de regarder sa courbe de progression ou ses courses de l'époque pour comprendre que Tual et lui n'ont absolument pas le même talent. Et une paire de pointe à plaque de carbone ne peut pas tout expliquer. C'est comme comparer les 20 ans de carrière de Kipchoge et le record du monde sorti de nulle part de Feu KIptum en quelques courses... et avec pour le coup une foulée de spécialiste de 800 m pour finir son marathon. On nage en pleine science-fiction. Il y a des évidences qui n'attendent pas la confirmation d'un test sanguin sérieux. Des athlètes français comme Jimmy Gressier, Azzedine Habz ou Sacha Zoya ont des courbes de progression qui ressemblent à quelque chose de très sérieux. Pour moi, pas Gabriel Tual.
@@svelvor c'est ce que j'expliquais dans un autre commentaire. En 2021 il s'est entraîné pour aller chercher les minimas, ce qu'il a réussi à faire a Nice. Avec un peu de réussite ce gars va en finale ! En 2022 il progresse mais ça ne se voit pas sur les chronos. Il voit Robert faire 1'43 et lui stagne mais en faisant une finale mondiale. En 2023 il se casse la clavicule. Il était encore en pleine progression. A sa reprise, il n'accède a aucun grand meeting mais claque quand même 1'44, frustré car il se savait capable de faire 1'43. En 2024 il fait l'impasse sur la salle et mise tout sur la prépa JO. Il fait un peu plus de caisse qu'avant et ne se consacre qu'à l'entraînement. A Monte Gordo en Avril il a encore passé un palier et on a commencé à parler du record de France de PAB. Il se trouve qu'il a fait 1'41. Je m'entraîne avec lui et je sais également comment il a su construire sa préparation avec des préparateurs physiques, mentaux etc .. Je comprends que celà puisse paraître suspect, mais ce gars est vraiment fort et ne cesse de progresser. Ok il y a les pointes. Mais contrairement aux autres athlètes il est ultra robuste et n'a quasiment jamais eu de pépins physiques à part sa clavicule... Et sur ce point je pense que les entraînements y sont pour quelque chose...
I would like to see Sedjati's athletes biological passport. Patterson has a full athlete biological passport, so we are not quite as suspicious as Sedjati. Although no one is above suspicion when you are running those sort of times. The athletics authorities are just the the cycling authorities. they do their best to cover up the cheating, because they need hero's , they need their Mo Farah's to keep the publics attention. Middle distance running relies on speed, strength and stamina, so i get suspicious when i see young athletes do amazing times, like Nigel Amos. I think its about time that some of these offending countries were suspended from international athletes until they get their house in order.
I would have said it's so bad for the sport when random people on RUclips accuse those who have achieved the best performances in the history of athletics, especially when, as far as I know, they have never tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and have always been clean. What makes me laugh even more is the fact that you accuse Algeria of having a history of using performance-enhancing drugs, but when it comes to giving examples, you say, "Ah, a former world champion Algerian's coach (who isn't even Algerian) had some accusations." Come on, how is this an argument? This video is pathetic. Somehow, social media has made it normal to accuse world elite athletes of their progression without any proof.
Atheltes peaking in olympic years is nothign new and has happened since time began, dropping 2 secodns of su h on a pb aint actualy that out of pocket for elite athletes pretty common actually, look through bolt, van neekerk et... whoever you want, they always had years where they spiked their pbs. sedjati is such an interesting story, never ran poroffesional before 2021, was in line to be a pro soccer player, drafted to the army, army spotted his talent and then he has been world class ever since.
in his defense, he already had top results, being the bronze medalist from budapest, but not really the time to match it. his progression makes a little more sense with that in mind. still quite notable how everyone are having the peaks of their lives with paris coming up.
Probably all of them are doping. Not just here but most top performances But that is not a problem, what about if these performances are the result of incredible genetics + plus perfect training over years + PDS? Using PDS is not an advantage if they all use them, I wouldn’t get even close with all the PDS in the world, it’s still impressive
Usually the easiest way to tell that someone is probably natural is seeing seasons best/personal bests year by year. Usually the progression is very steady. There may be drop here or there but it shouldn’t be anything too significant If there’s a sudden drop and it’s by a big margin I think it’s reasonable to get very suspicious
Here is my question: If you were that close to touching the sun, wouldn’t you dope? With proper medical supervision, you’d probably be ok. Fractions of a second are literally what separates these athletes from fame and substantial income.
I'm tired of track and field doing this stuff. "Oh, there is no proof, so you have to worship this person's performance even though it is clearly atypical." Let's be honest about Lamont Marcel Jacob's. He didn't win that race. The drugs they gave him did. And Men's Tokyo 1500, are we really pretending that a "tactical" race was slower than the women's??? This sport has a serious aesthetics problem, and it's called paid winning or picking the winner. It's obviously not every single event, but I've been around long enough and studied PR and marketing at the University of Oregon of all places... it is not legitimate competition all the time, and it is really silly beyond words. Alberto Salazar... enough said.
Slander. Lol. This is a RUclips comment section... I'm not in a critical role. It can't be slander. I'm not selling this idea to anyone. But thanks for trying...
eh, athletes evading getting caught by lackluster systems is one thing, a sportwide conspiracy quite something else. gonna give you salazar though, that was pretty weird
For the love of god will you TURN DOWN THE MUSIC. Everyone's equipment is different but on my earphones it's at least as loud as your voice during the intro narration. Unwatchable.
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I always thought Mo Farah was taking something for similar reasons. Mo went from not being able to win the European championships to winning gold in Bejing. The first half of his career he was a good athlete but not a contender, then he hooks up with Salazar, who has multiple athletes busted for drugs, and went on to dominate for the rest of his career.
Apparently leaked IAAF documents marked him and galen rupp as “likely doping”. His association with Salazar and lying about the quantities of certain legal PEDs he took like L Carnitine makes me very suspicious.
100% agree
It made me laugh when Farah broke Steve Crams 1500M European record.
Cram was commentating at the time on the bbc. and just congratulated him like nothing was wrong.
The same applies to Sifan Hassan
Salazar was a huge dope king. Open secret in Eugene. "Prove it" they would say... Galen Rupp dropping off the face of the earth after Alberto got banned... in fact, almost all of his athletes took time off retired or got terribly bad right after... hmm, that's not how training and working hard works.
It is coincidental that everyone was running 1:43 - 1:44 the last two years and suddenly in the Olympic year they’re running 1:41 - 1:42.
This usually happens each Olympic year since 2012.
2020 was slower due to the pandemic. Time was 1:45 iirc
But with Rio the winning time was like 1:42
London was a WR performance.
Beijing had a 1:44 performance
Athens also had a 1:44 performance
Sydney 2000 - 1:45
Atlanta 1996 - 1:42
Wanyoni is THE new Rudisha. He is the man to drag the rest along to new heights.
Is it the same for purely anaerobic competitions?
Aerobic performance is affected by the mental aspect of running, I could imagine running a full second faster because of it.
@@saminates2002 So it doesn't happen?
The 19th fastest 800m of all time was 6th place on July 7th in the first race and the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fastest times of all time have been run since July 7th. Actually 9 of the fastest 19 runners of all time just occurred since July 7th. It's IMPOSSIBLE to say this is normal. I can promise that drugs have always played a part but the difference is right now there is something they are not seeing or it's something untraceable because since 2022 track times have been off the charts and there has not been a significant enough anything happening that the entire median outcome of nearly every event has spiked for the first time since the 2000s to 2010s. Everything was stable from 2010 until recently then people like SAFP unexpectedly became faster at 34 years old, after having a baby?
the fastest anyones been running is 1:43 and now suddenly the whole field is running times we haven't seen in a decade, new drugs on the scene for sure
Honestly it annoys me how hypocritical people are where the same people saying “Sedjati MUST be doping” are the same people loving and supporting a conventionally attractive and likable athlete like Jessica Hull even though she has also made unbelievable progress in just one year (7 seconds off in 3k) and the comments sections are a world of difference.
This is what I mean when it comes to racism in the sport. Yes people like sedjati are suspicious but why aren’t people kicking up as much a fuss about Hull or Tual. It especially annoys me when people use countries as a primary form of evidence that someone is doping. I mean sure, it doesn’t help someone’s case, but just because someone’s from Kenya doesn’t mean they are definitely doping.
@@AdamJansen786 Or Russia, or China!
@@AdamJansen786Jessica Hull dropping 5 seconds off her 1500m PB is pretty insane. While I’m suspicious I’ll give the benefit of the doubt until tests say otherwise. Same goes with Sedjati
@@AdamJansen786Look up the documentaries on doping in Kenya. They have footage of runners getting drugs from doctors. All they need is a bribe. Authorities don't care.
Jessica Hull is Australian.
As I live in Australia and am a Doctor, I would say that it's nearly impossible to get such drugs here.
Any Doctor who did this would lose their career. So I think Hull is clean.
She is just having a good year and free of injuries.
100% said this to a friend thd night she did it.
I might be very biased because I'm french and I have followed Tual for a bit of time (and you made me realised I might have had an other opinion if I was from somewhere else).
But to me it's not so suspicious to have a very good season after some seasons of plateau. Tual have been on the top of european 800m athletes for some years now, and he showed some consistency in his time. If you look the time of his season, you can see he is peaking since the end of june ; he broke his pb 3 times. Moreover, 2 of these 3 races were extremely fast races. To me that's more a sign of very high from all athletes, than of doping.
For Sedjati, he was indeed not very known, but he has shown very good times since 2021. It's less supsicious than Katir's case, where his progression was just insane, which as you said, he went from "good in his country" to "world top 5" in only one season. That's wild.
But I'll wait to make my opinion. Will these athletes show good form in the future, will sedjati continues his progression ?
Sedjati est vice-champion du monde a Eugène 2022 et finaliste (déclassé) a Budapest 2023 c'est sa 3 saison en haut niveau il vient pas de nulle part
I’ll also add, look at how sedjati closed the last 100m of the Budapest final, compared to EVERY race this season. I rest my case.
Can u tell us so we don't have to watch all these races?
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I just watched the Budapest 2023 world final and yep Sedjati actually faded and was outsprinted by other guys in the final straight so suddenly this year him getting a monster kick is definitely suspicious
Does "I rest my case" = "I have no evidence"?
@@rayflaherty3441 no it does not. But ray, because I know you are uneducated on doping scandals, let me give you some facts. Lance Armstrong “never tested positive” but was still doping. So yeah. I don’t need concrete proof of a positive test result to know somebody is doping. So shut the f*** up you pretentious cu**
Great in-depth video! These two guys are definitely suspicious but I guess time will tell if they do get busted in the future, or if they continue their fast running with consistency.
Did you not notice Jessica Hull's recent PR? 7 second improvement in the 1500 at age 27! That's some serious spiked vegemite.
Faith Kipyegon struggled to run 3.53, the. 3.52, then 3.51 before she could finally run 3.50. She tried world record several times with no success until finally she broke it
It was 5 seconds not 7.
She was paced the entire race by the best on earth. That has to be a factor too.
@@headlibrarian1996 Wrong. Check her world athletic profile. Previous PR 3:57.29 from 2023. New PR 3:50.83. A 6.46 second improvement to be exact in one year!. For a runner that has been competing at a world class level for 5 years, that is absurd. Wreaks of PED use. C'mon, get real.
@@gtrdoc911 facts, I know there are girls who have been cooking her for years, knowing her true ability, that is at home sitting and cannot believe she's darn near breathing down the neck of a world record holder during a world record-breaking race.
Fantastic and thoughtful, thank you!
There is no doubt he is doping. This is a huge performance leap which cannot be explained any other way. I think rather than PED testing the athlete passport should look at changes in physiological parameters over time. It’s sad this is happening in 800m leading up to Olympics.
That's exactly what the athlete passport does but it needs a large quantity of tests to see if things change
I’m most nervous about if sedjati breaks the WR and then tests positive. He has said he has going to go for it, I just hope he’s natural if he beats the record.
وكأنك تجزم أنه متعاطي ولايعحبك تألق الرياضي هل مستحيل الوصول لمثل هذا المستوى يجب على الاقل أن تتحرى عن مسيرة هذا الرياضي الحافل بالانتصارات وأضن أنه من المثالي الوصل الى ماوصل له من مستوى بالنظر لترشحة وتكوره من العاب أمريكا 2022 من الجيد الحياد في كثل هكذا أمور
@@adelbill6254 我同意你的观点，但我认为你用阿拉伯语发布这篇文章很荒谬。
The 800m is the most dirty event of them all. Mixing high intensity speed with high volume is extremely taxing on the body. It has the most to be gained compared to other events.
I believe none of them are doping until I get proof that they are. With the times they are running and the progression they've made this year, they are sure to be some of the most doping tested athletes currently. Call me a fool all you want and if they ever do get caught I will lay myself flat, but until then I believe in them all. Calling every athlete dopers really takes away from their accomplishments and makes it hard for young athletes like myself to have idols to look up to.
The proof is in front of your eyes! They don't want athletes caught because it is bad for business. Have you seen the other events athletes making it look easy while the rest are made to look like amateurs!
it always looks suspicious when a runner finishes a super fast 800m and is smiling across the line and celebrates with no sign of discomfort. How is that possible? What is that person's Vo2 Max? Must be super high or.....
Everyone has different recovery and mannerisms when it comes to exhaustion after races like that.
Glad this issue is being raised just before the olympics to raise awareness among the fans of track and field.
All of the 800 meters runners are capable of breaking Rudishas World Record this year. All of them from number one to eight. It has never happened in the history of 800 meters
Funny thing is the Kenyans are actually getting caught for doping
But not the big athletes we know... infact those who don't make it to olympic team
Not only there times but also the number of athletes that are so close to the WR. It is impossible; that amount of progression.
You deserve far more subs
This video should have a subtitle, "why trying to make sense of Track and Field can drive you mad". I think 95% of what you said is very logical and exactly the kind of stuff that goes through runners minds when trying to make sense of this all. One point I'd differ on, a pro/Olympic 1500m runner once said to me that never running a bad race was a red flag on the circuit for a doper. I.e. Normally an athlete will have a one or two stinkers in a year, so the super hi-po consistent athletes were, for this pro at least, the one's investing in the juice year round, as it's just not natural to be always on your game. Appreciate this POV only further serves to drive track fans mad.
I mean I just can’t come to a logical conclusion as to the performance jump for these guys. I’m fully convinced that Tual and Sedjati are doped. It doesn’t come down to “hard work” all these guys work hard.
Great video.
It’s the bicarb technology, essentially helps athletes run a little further before becoming completely lactic.
@@thewalkingjoke3843😂😂
Exactly. at that level, it’s about changing the 1 percents not dropping your times by 3 seconds. It’s not guaranteed they doped but I can’t find a convincing reason to explain the drop in times.
@@AdamJansen786 How do you explain Lamont Marcell Jacobs' improvement at the 2020 Olympics 100m? This is nothing compared to that.
Dude, you need to change the name of your RUclips channel... it's actually quite good! Definitely a cut above the plethora of click-bait, b-team, RUclips channels that seem to be proliferating around athletics these days. Please, get a catchier handle and keep posting quality content!
It's track and field / athletics. There have been PEDs flowing through the sport for 50+ years - many say much, much longer. Cheating is a normalised practice in sport (and other areas of society). The crusading will continue - WADA, AIU, etc. Good vs Evil, Clean vs Doped, East vs West, etc. All part of the duality of life here on planet earth school. Gives us all something to talk about as we pick our favourites in the 'us vs them'/'right vs wrong' game.
One factor no one is talking about it the wave pace lights helping with pace management.
Yes I hate them.
Hasn't there been a number of runners from African nations the past few years caught doping? Makes one wonder about all these low times.
Wanyoni is THE stud who will DOMINATE 800m for years to come.
Sedjati's just coming along for the ride.
I enjoyed this juicy race, by the way. What I think is that Catalin Tuceanu is not on juice, he has improved in this race, but not far from his previous personal best (from 1'44.01 to 1'43.75), the others improved so much that 2 weeks before, he could have beaten them, but in that race, he had to watch them go away, and still made is personal best. If I was him, I would be very suspicious about the others.
Tual got 6 in Eugene, his 2023 season best was definitely not is real level
As Tual's teammate, I can explain his 3 years of 1'44.
In 2021, an Olympic year, he was running after this time in every race.
In 2022, he was stronger in training but not performing on the field. He could ran 1'43. (Difficulties at the end of races)
On 2023 he broke his clavicle, and he wasn't able to enter in huge meetings such as diamond leagues ones. An frustrating and empty season regarding Robert's or Meziane's one (French athletes)
In 2024 I never saw him so strong in training. The coach and the team were sure that he can run the french record 1'42. He did better.
Be sure that he is controlled by the french doping institute very frequently, especially in training camp.
Interesting. Of course I hope you understand that we can only take your word on these things and you would be unlikely to say if he was in fact doping. Do you have any proof that you are his teammate?
"In 2024 I never saw him so strong in training"
case rested. He didn't magically evolve as a species.
@@TheRealBrayoTv did you read all the comment ? I'm explaining that he is improving in training and this year his is stronger than the other year. 2022 he was stronger than 2021 etc...
His times in competition, especially in 2022 didn't reveal his real level.
Do you never heard someone say "I did 1'49 but I know I can run 1'47" ? This is the case and this year contrary to 2023 he is able to run in diamond league.
I don't know how to be clearer except to invite you in Talence to see this guy training. When he comes home, because he doesn't live alone, be sure that someone would have seen something ! (We are just all students and far away to have medical professionals in our relationship 😂) And I repeat: the french antidoping system reputed to be very hard comes very frequently.
@@AdamJansen786 I don't know why my comments struggle to appear when I want to answer your question... Maybe this is because I sent links... Whe have an account "bernie_team" on an other social media
I have dropped a message to the instagram 👍
What about high altitude training? It could make a big difference to times.
Whoa, i don't think you are absolutely wrong. The status acheived from an olympic gold is enormous. Take heed runners, you will be tested, in the end. C.
MAN, do I want to see Max Burgin do great at the Olympics. He deserves success after so much setback and injuries.
Maybe everybody realized there isn't active testing or standards for AICAR.
If you’re not doping you’re losing
They're on that Pogacar stuff😅
do you think any athletes at Olympics final level are not on PEDS
Conspiracy theory
Maurten bicarb is particularly well suited for the 800
What about the shoes ? Have there been any major developments this year ?
No he’s been wearing dragonfly’s which pros been wearing since 2020
Talk about Jessica Hull bruh
The stadium is just 1 meter smaller
Carne asada from the food truck...
The 19th fastest 800m of all time was 6th place on July 7th in the first race and the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fastest times of all time have been run since July 7th. Actually 9 of the fastest 19 runners of all time just occurred since July 7th. It's IMPOSSIBLE to say this is normal. I can promise that drugs have always played a part but the difference is right now there is something they are not seeing or it's something untraceable because since 2022 track times have been off the charts and there has not been a significant enough anything happening that the entire median outcome of nearly every event has spiked for the first time since the 2000s to 2010s. Everything was stable from 2010 until recently then people like SAFP unexpectedly became faster at 34 years old, after having a baby? Last year with Issam Asinga I said IMMEDIATELY something is up. He opened his junior year running 10.9 100ms and 22.6 200m and crested at 10.7 in the 100m state finals and just below 22 200ms. He did have a faster time in both at random events but wind aided and not something other worldly then he opens at 10 flat and 20 flat? Then runs a whole season at that mark? He's not the only one. In the New Balance finals Nyckoles Arbor was the nect it guy in his sophomore year. He had a defent junior year and a better senior year running 10.2s and 10.3z but got like 5th in Boston at nationals. Half the field ran 10.1 something or below. SAFP, take a look at her progressions. She was running 13 100ms at 17/8 years old like wtf? Kishane Thompson too. Then over the last 2 years 20 or so guys under 20 have ran just at 10 for 100m or 20 for 200m, every year. I know 98% of fans want to pretend it's not happening but people who were in those positions and have seen how things change so quick realize when people are on vs when people are REALLY on. People are REALLY on right now.
That's called hard work not dopping !!
are they the only ones?
And Jessica Hull. I’m convinced.
Yes, her improvement is incredible.
everyones on peds just get rid of testing at this point
I realize this is happening, but why limit this to 800m runners? Does anyone think they are the only ones doping? I would say there is doping at any international event, from regionals up to the olympics.
And jess hull
From what I’ve learned about pro sports is that the top guys are using. Derek mpmd does some great breakdowns
If the slow runners are taking peds
It is what it is.
Some even have doctor excuses
The comments below cover a number of good areas for discussion but nobody has mentioned the shoes they run in. There has been some discussion more widely about this. I get the distinct impression that modern running shoes are like bouncy castles compared to the shoes of previous years. Look at the number of records that are being broken or threatened.
More than half of the athletes are doping. S/O to all the clean athletes still dropping amazing performances !
Maybe these athletes have sacrificed a hell of a lot, worked hard every day to be top of their game in an Olympic year, leveraging new learnings in training and diet. It’s outrageous to suggest they are doping based on good times.
Go back to your own life and try to do something good instead of criticising these wonderful hard working and underpaid athletes.
was it a plateau or was injury holding him back in those seasons?
He raced pretty consistently in all 3 years leading up to the 1:41. I’m sure he was injured a bit but as I understand he hasn’t been suffering from repeated injuries holding him back.
What top Jamaican sprinter hasn't made a huge jump years after puberty?
Given they are now running times that Coe was doing 40 years ago, there is absolutely no doubt that Coe and others in that era were on drugs. How could Peter Elliott run that fast with a full time job? I'm not being serious, I am just highlighting that accusing people of being on drugs just because they run fast is ridiculous.
Also, most athletes know that they often plateau before a jump forward in performance. That is normal
I think practically every athlete from the 100 up to 5-10K are doing something. The times are all ridiculous since the Covid "pandemic".
Nope 100m has been very stagnant since Bolt retired from the event in 2016, only a handful of athletes have gone under 9.8. 400m has also plateaued badly since 2017 when Wayde was running amok, he has unfortunately lost it. In my opinion he should just retire... In the 200m Knighton tested positive. The Jamaicans are getting extra scrutiny in the 100m also
@@likhayam It could be that the 100/200 is showing peak human performance too which is why times are what they are? Of course the longer distances have a lot more room for fiddling with.
I would say every distance is juiced to the max....
just test every top 3 finisher
The cycling people are talking about carbon monoxide + cobalt chloride to build red blood cells.
IMO Ped's have prominent in track since at least 76 Olympics.
They're not abusing ped's they're just using them!!!!!
The whole Jamaican tean needs to be checked, SAFP, erc.
sedjati's piss is a light
Almost all if not all Athletes at this level are on something.
If it is not on the banned list technically it is not cheating. Some athletes find something that works that isn't known about, and they do it quietly. It takes the system awhile to catch up.
They don't seem like particularly gifted 800 runners compared with the likes of Coe, Kipketer, Rudisha. They look like uncoordinated body builders.
Wanyonyi I think is the only one that’s clean
And I do think he’s the gold medal favorite
Marco arop only one that is clean
I hardly think you will find a clean athlete throughout the sport at the top level - sprints, middle and long distance all of them.
I'm Algerian, am confused as to how this is new news? All athletes engage, or have engaged, in some sort of doping activities. Noah LYLES? Yes. Lamont Marcell Jacobs? Yes. Jakob Ingebrigsten? Yes. Zharnel Hughes? YEA. Sedjati is a monster this year but doping or not, his hard work is evident. As for all athletes out here who achieve amazing times.Look at those last 200m... he looks like he's running under 20 secs! Great video.
Indeed lol. 99% of elite athletes are doping it's not new.
Even Ingebristen?!?!! Have never heard!!!
still, there are levels to it. maybe some are only microdosing HGH or something while others are taking much bigger risks, yielding much greater results. it would be a shame, would that be the deciding factor as to who wins in the end.
The performances in a lot of running events have increased exponentially in the last couple of years. It's not just a few athletes who are breaking their PB - it's most athletes. Last year the men's 1500 was the best ever by depth by a long way. This year the 800 performances by most of the best athletes in the world are phenomenal. Is everyone cheating? I don't know but I doubt it. Footwear has made a big difference in the longer distances a couple of years ago so is it having an effect in the shorter distances now as well?
I would argue every one is using PEDs in track and field
Je suis français (comme Tual) et je suis d'accord. Trop suspect. Gabriel Tuam n'a jamais eu le talent de Pierre-Ambroise Bossé et pourtant il sort de nulle part ce record de France. Incompréhensible. Mais soyez bon joueur, on sait que l'année olympique la boîte à pharmacie c'est open bar pour le pays organisateur. Vous en savez quelque chose. Pour preuve les USA ont assurément le plus grand nombre d'athlètes dopés au monde mais c'est bien la Russie qui est exclue de toute compétition. Reprenez la liste de vos sprinteurs depuis Carl Lewis... mais le méchant était Ben Johnson. Mieux encore votre "Projet Oregon" avec Salazar (qui était déjà un athlète dopé il y a 40 ans !). Non seulement, tous les athlètes majeurs de cette team n'ont jamais été inquiétés ( Mo Farah, Sifan Hassan, Gallen Rupp, Donavan Brazier, Matthews Centrowitz...) et quelques bougres de second plan ont été sanctionnés pour faire illusion. Mieux encore, en 2022 c'est sur le site funeste de ce projet Oregon que les USA osent organiser les championnats du monde d'athlétisme. Tout un symbole. En résumé, "Charité bien ordonnée commence par soi-même".
En 2022 il rentrait des séances pour 1'43 mais n'a jamais réussi à les faire. En 2023 il se casse la clavicule ce qui le prive de gros meetings et n'arrive pas à perfer comme Meziane ou Robert.
En 2024 il s'est intégralement concentré sur les JO. Il s.est préparé tout l'hiver sans faire de salle et je l'ai jamais vu aussi fort à l'entraînement. On savait qu'il pouvait taper le record de France. Certains évoquent les pointes, mais ce gars est juste un bosseur qui a pris chaque course de 2024 comme un progrès
@@Spikergraffiti Déjà, il était en 1'44. Cela veut dire qu'il a gagné 3 secondes pour se retrouver 5° de tous les temps. Ce n'est plus une progression, c'est un autre monde. Il a fait en une course une progression que d'autres accomplissent en de longues années. Cela n'a aucun sens. Il suffit de comparer avec Bossé sur leur fiche FFA. Dans ce dernier cas, on voit une progression crédible. Ensuite, le refrain "c'est un bosseur" s'applique a absolument tous les athlètes dopés. Cela n'est une preuve de rien du tout. Enfin, si on regarde en arrière, son 1'41 c'est un temps digne de Wilson Kipketer, le plus garnd coureur de 800 de tous les temps. Il suffit de regarder sa courbe de progression ou ses courses de l'époque pour comprendre que Tual et lui n'ont absolument pas le même talent. Et une paire de pointe à plaque de carbone ne peut pas tout expliquer. C'est comme comparer les 20 ans de carrière de Kipchoge et le record du monde sorti de nulle part de Feu KIptum en quelques courses... et avec pour le coup une foulée de spécialiste de 800 m pour finir son marathon. On nage en pleine science-fiction. Il y a des évidences qui n'attendent pas la confirmation d'un test sanguin sérieux. Des athlètes français comme Jimmy Gressier, Azzedine Habz ou Sacha Zoya ont des courbes de progression qui ressemblent à quelque chose de très sérieux. Pour moi, pas Gabriel Tual.
@@svelvor c'est ce que j'expliquais dans un autre commentaire.
En 2021 il s'est entraîné pour aller chercher les minimas, ce qu'il a réussi à faire a Nice. Avec un peu de réussite ce gars va en finale !
En 2022 il progresse mais ça ne se voit pas sur les chronos. Il voit Robert faire 1'43 et lui stagne mais en faisant une finale mondiale.
En 2023 il se casse la clavicule. Il était encore en pleine progression. A sa reprise, il n'accède a aucun grand meeting mais claque quand même 1'44, frustré car il se savait capable de faire 1'43.
En 2024 il fait l'impasse sur la salle et mise tout sur la prépa JO. Il fait un peu plus de caisse qu'avant et ne se consacre qu'à l'entraînement. A Monte Gordo en Avril il a encore passé un palier et on a commencé à parler du record de France de PAB.
Il se trouve qu'il a fait 1'41.
Je m'entraîne avec lui et je sais également comment il a su construire sa préparation avec des préparateurs physiques, mentaux etc ..
Je comprends que celà puisse paraître suspect, mais ce gars est vraiment fort et ne cesse de progresser.
Ok il y a les pointes. Mais contrairement aux autres athlètes il est ultra robuste et n'a quasiment jamais eu de pépins physiques à part sa clavicule... Et sur ce point je pense que les entraînements y sont pour quelque chose...
@@svelvor quid de Le Clezio également... Il a bien progressé aussi !
Perso je pense que l'AFLD fait correctement son taf...
Short YES, long answer is Y-E-S-S-S-S-S-S-S
I agree with your analysis but my question is does WADA do sporadic testing at these meets or do they only test black athletes from the Caribbean ?
I would like to see Sedjati's athletes biological passport.
Patterson has a full athlete biological passport, so we are not quite as suspicious as Sedjati. Although no one is above suspicion when you are running those sort of times.
The athletics authorities are just the the cycling authorities. they do their best to cover up the cheating, because they need hero's , they need their Mo Farah's to keep the publics attention.
Middle distance running relies on speed, strength and stamina, so i get suspicious when i see young athletes do amazing times, like Nigel Amos.
I think its about time that some of these offending countries were suspended from international athletes until they get their house in order.
I would have said it's so bad for the sport when random people on RUclips accuse those who have achieved the best performances in the history of athletics, especially when, as far as I know, they have never tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and have always been clean. What makes me laugh even more is the fact that you accuse Algeria of having a history of using performance-enhancing drugs, but when it comes to giving examples, you say, "Ah, a former world champion Algerian's coach (who isn't even Algerian) had some accusations." Come on, how is this an argument? This video is pathetic. Somehow, social media has made it normal to accuse world elite athletes of their progression without any proof.
What about the women's 400m Hurdles and the women's High Jump?! Or the chicks are too cute to be cheats?!
everyone how can run 1s to Rudisha without his anatomy (6f3"tall, long limbs, narrow hips, wide shoulders) is probably a cheater.
Everybody is doped. I dont know why you are talking about sedjati. Even ingrbriegsten is on sauce.
Atheltes peaking in olympic years is nothign new and has happened since time began, dropping 2 secodns of su h on a pb aint actualy that out of pocket for elite athletes pretty common actually, look through bolt, van neekerk et... whoever you want, they always had years where they spiked their pbs.
sedjati is such an interesting story, never ran poroffesional before 2021, was in line to be a pro soccer player, drafted to the army, army spotted his talent and then he has been world class ever since.
Stupid inflammatory video. The 4th placer in Monaco hit a 2 second PB. But he was British. Hmm.
in his defense, he already had top results, being the bronze medalist from budapest, but not really the time to match it. his progression makes a little more sense with that in mind. still quite notable how everyone are having the peaks of their lives with paris coming up.
Probably all of them are doping. Not just here but most top performances
But that is not a problem, what about if these performances are the result of incredible genetics + plus perfect training over years + PDS? Using PDS is not an advantage if they all use them, I wouldn’t get even close with all the PDS in the world, it’s still impressive
Usually the easiest way to tell that someone is probably natural is seeing seasons best/personal bests year by year. Usually the progression is very steady.
There may be drop here or there but it shouldn’t be anything too significant
If there’s a sudden drop and it’s by a big margin I think it’s reasonable to get very suspicious
still, some are probably doing it more than others
Only sedjati is clean
Here is my question: If you were that close to touching the sun, wouldn’t you dope? With proper medical supervision, you’d probably be ok. Fractions of a second are literally what separates these athletes from fame and substantial income.
Doping.
Jus shows how rudisha was protected..el gu and them..
haha. only 800m athletes.
I'm tired of track and field doing this stuff. "Oh, there is no proof, so you have to worship this person's performance even though it is clearly atypical."
Let's be honest about Lamont Marcel Jacob's. He didn't win that race. The drugs they gave him did. And Men's Tokyo 1500, are we really pretending that a "tactical" race was slower than the women's??? This sport has a serious aesthetics problem, and it's called paid winning or picking the winner. It's obviously not every single event, but I've been around long enough and studied PR and marketing at the University of Oregon of all places... it is not legitimate competition all the time, and it is really silly beyond words. Alberto Salazar... enough said.
Italian bolognaise was nice and juice for my boy Lamont.
Did you learn about slander in your classes at UO?
Slander. Lol. This is a RUclips comment section... I'm not in a critical role. It can't be slander. I'm not selling this idea to anyone. But thanks for trying...
eh, athletes evading getting caught by lackluster systems is one thing, a sportwide conspiracy quite something else. gonna give you salazar though, that was pretty weird
Only arop is clean
For the love of god will you TURN DOWN THE MUSIC. Everyone's equipment is different but on my earphones it's at least as loud as your voice during the intro narration. Unwatchable.