I gotta do some bearing maintenance on my EQ6R but plate solving has permitted me to procrastinate on that task. If I get a high focal length scope. I'm leaning toward SCT despite the price. I loved my C8 before I managed to chip the secondary mirror. Cool vid, I will refer to it as needed. It's always good to have a solid hands-on demonstration.
That was some sweet elbow footage.... Thanks for the set up I have an eight inch newt sitting in back room think I might bring back out and do something similar.
Nice scope Steve. Only thing you have to bare in mind with a larger Newt like that is not just the weight but the moment arm. My CT10 pushed my EQ6 R Pro to the limit. It was ok and mostly guided very well but any breeze and guiding would vary a lot. In the end I bought an EQ8 which handled it fine. You'll get some amazing images from that light bucket though, best of luck and clear skies
Hey Glenn! What do you mean by moment arm? I've actually had a couple runs with it and the oag guiding has been pretty good. .6 to .5 Hope to have something posted soon! Thanks!
@@enteringintospace4685 Moment arm is the forces applied by the length of something from an axis point (your mount) so the longer your scope the greater the force required to move it. Looks like you are doing well though. My CT10 at 1200mm needed guiding to be lower than 0.8rms for the image scale I had with my camera. It would sometimes go over that and it was impacting on my images.
Great video. I didn’t know there were cables from ZWO to attach a dew heater strap with the plugs to the ZWO ASI Air Plus. Now I could lose the usb hub and heavy Kendrick Dew heater off of the C11 to shed some weight with one less thing to plug into my Jackery. Thank you.
I have the same scope. And spent a good while customizing it to get it really running. I got some much stronger primary mirror springs from farpoint. Made a huge difference in primary mirror stability and staying collimated (especially after a meridian flip). I also flocked the inside since this version doesn't have baffles (unlike the previous version of the 10 inch). The focuser drove me nuts! how can you call this an astrograph if it is not setup for an autofocus motor mount - the bottom of the focuser is curved, not flat! I ended up building a plate that I screwed into the focuser-tube mount because I had focuser slip if I used the screws under the focus knob. Any mono imaging load with EFW and camera resulted in focuser slip unless the 4 focuser screws were in and very tight. Also the threads on the focuser tube is a female M76x0.75, Orion included a converter that is male M76x0.75 to male M74x0.75. which also has an internal female thread that seems to be M69x1. I wanted to use a click lock to hold the 2 inch receiver, but there are no converters I could find that match up to these threads. I also needed a mirror mask to cover the clips to minimize the diffraction spikes created by the mirror clips. I can say, I learned a lot, but it was a challenge to get imaging.
Hey! Sounds like a lot of what I've had to go through and its definitely discouraging. The stronger primary springs sound like something I need to look into. Thanks for the tip!
Just bought the 1600mm Ideal10L. I'm used to f4 and F3 newts. This f6. 3 do you think it'll need a coma corrector, some people are saying no. Might even try my 0.73 CC reducer on it but I really bought it for the long FL. Looking forward to putting it together. Great video!
Git you a grub screw for that there tensioner. There is a USB C port on the side of the AA Plus. You can hook it up to and external Hard Drive and dump your Data. Or like you said hook it up to your PC I'm like you though. I still keep a USB Thumb Drive pluggered in.
This was a great nerd version of an asmr video! I just got done going through the same thing with an 8” newt. Doing it off a mini pc and similar gear otherwise. You def hit it on the head when you said an astronerd must be part mechanic as well - done a ton of custom stuff make things work. Psyched for your new kit!
Lol Thanks! I was going to include b roll ever time I opened a bin looking for something to help solve the next challenge but that would have added another 10 mins🤣
I bought the 8" version of that scope. My first mod was the losmandy mount as well. Not sure why they skimped on the mounting hardware. It's rock solid on my EQ6-R Pro mount now. I also changed the focuser. The stock one was crap at best, again, nice scope but crap hardware.
Agreed! Actually with this 10" I've been impressed with its focuser. It's a 3" and very smooth and secure. The light leak in these newts is horrible. The back end has to have a cover....
Hey Steve. Just wanted to let you know you can ditch the USB stick on the ASIAir altogether. You have ethernet running out to the ASIAir so you can just use that to transfer your data off onto your computer after a night of imaging over your network. I transfer my data over the WIFI which is a bit slow, but worth not having to deal with the removable storage....with the cable you should be golden. Just access it by opening up file explorer and doing \\
Hi Steve, I've been using some of your processing techniques. Love the channel. For my 10" Parks Newtonian, I've created a band above the rings to hold the telescope tube in place, this allows me to make fine adjustments (bc there is no rubber under the rings) but still holds it in place. This also allows me to switch out tubes as I have my placement "saved" via the plastic band.
@@enteringintospace4685 Its a clear vinyl pipe split down the middle, where hose clamp sits that you can release and tightened when making adjustments. The vinyl pipe is there for thickness and to not damage the tube via the hose clamp. I can't post images, so I hope this explains the hack.
I went with the Optolong, Just waiting for my 2" Filter wheel. I would love to compare data on the Oiii filters with you to see what the Halos look like. Might be some good content... Collaboration?
@@enteringintospace4685 I have some data on horse head & flame nebula using the 2” Oiii 3nm Optolong filter. If you want I’ll send it to you for if you ever plan on doing a review. I think it would be great to see the difference between these two filters before I purchase my next set of 3nm filters for a smaller filter wheel.
Great video Steve! I switched back to an 8in reflector F3 last June and have been getting fantastic results. Better than I've gotten with refractors, some costing 3 or 4 times as much as the reflector. Have you had a chance to image with the 10in yet?
Hey thanks Shawn! Yes! I think I've found the best balance of fl to f ratio to appeture. With new tools like blur X I don't have to shoot as long in fl as I used to. The first few images in have been amazing!
I haven't needed ton collimate since picking up a decent refractor but I do think I'd have more to show for my efforts on a reflector or SCT as I used to operate. The issue with the SCT is also one of it's strengths (focal length). On the other hand, I didn't realize how much I benefitted from the aperture until I spent time on thr 3.9" f/5.5.... I had through maybe the focal ratio would make a bigger difference compared to f/10 at 8". Still like a lot about the refractor but it's a pain in a butt to get enough quality data to stack between the weather and our seasonal changes due to our solar orbit.
I have one also, going to get parallax rings / the only big diff is a EQ-8 . nice set up Your good on cable management me not so much , drunken spider method
I’m about to pull the trigger on the Quattro 8”. Surely there are plenty of reasons to get rid of it but just curious about the one thing that triggered the move from it to the Orion 10 Newt?
Very good! Apeture, just that simple. Going to 10" has been such a boost in resolution and speed. The only reason to not get a 10" would be if your mount can't handle the weight.
I plug guide camera into asiAIR but saw u plugged it into main camera to plug EAF into asiAIR. Is that why you're using off axis guiding? and i've always wondered about using LP filters w/ monochrome.
Yeah ive always used the extra USB plug in the main camera for the guide cam as long as their close together. The lpro definitely helps and I leave it in even when shooting narrowband
Nice work Steven, Still figuring out what I would take for my 6 inch quattro, OFG or guidescope, do you have an Altair 183 MM pro? What would you recommend ?
How is your image train holding up with that Crayford style focuser.? I’ve been having issues with my GSO Focuser slipping with the weight of the image train.
Dang I wanted to break something seeing how poorly made that scope is made LOL! Really wish they'd put a bit more quality into these newts. I mean single bolt on each ring, steel tube with seam, cheap vixen dovetail etc. etc. Orion/Synta has no shame :D The OAG should help a lot but maybe do a non dithered image run for an hour to check for flexure. Hopefully those rings won't move much or rubber mat between them be an issue.. Always great vids my friend. Wish you the best..
Yeah the gap between high quality and average in the newt and rc world is to big. I would pay another grand for these otas if it meant I was getting a astrophotography scope. The fact that they still send these stupid 9x50 strait finder scopes shows how out of touch they are....lol. Thanks for watching!
I enjoyed this, big time, I was the one asking from instagram, now lets see the pictures, the pretty pics!
Cool! Yeah I posted my first light image on Instagram.
@@enteringintospace4685 wow!
Great video; BTW you mounted the vixen bar upside down on the top.
Nice setup and a great video. Keep em coming
Thanks!
Wicked! Nice work.
I gotta do some bearing maintenance on my EQ6R but plate solving has permitted me to procrastinate on that task. If I get a high focal length scope. I'm leaning toward SCT despite the price. I loved my C8 before I managed to chip the secondary mirror.
Cool vid, I will refer to it as needed. It's always good to have a solid hands-on demonstration.
That was some sweet elbow footage.... Thanks for the set up I have an eight inch newt sitting in back room think I might bring back out and do something similar.
Ya like that didn't you🤣 Get that newt out and fire it up....good luck!
Congratulations on the new scope and clean setup, nice job. Clear skies..
Thanks!
Nice scope Steve. Only thing you have to bare in mind with a larger Newt like that is not just the weight but the moment arm. My CT10 pushed my EQ6 R Pro to the limit. It was ok and mostly guided very well but any breeze and guiding would vary a lot. In the end I bought an EQ8 which handled it fine. You'll get some amazing images from that light bucket though, best of luck and clear skies
Hey Glenn! What do you mean by moment arm?
I've actually had a couple runs with it and the oag guiding has been pretty good. .6 to .5
Hope to have something posted soon! Thanks!
@@enteringintospace4685 Moment arm is the forces applied by the length of something from an axis point (your mount) so the longer your scope the greater the force required to move it. Looks like you are doing well though. My CT10 at 1200mm needed guiding to be lower than 0.8rms for the image scale I had with my camera. It would sometimes go over that and it was impacting on my images.
Great video. I didn’t know there were cables from ZWO to attach a dew heater strap with the plugs to the ZWO ASI Air Plus. Now I could lose the usb hub and heavy Kendrick Dew heater off of the C11 to shed some weight with one less thing to plug into my Jackery. Thank you.
Yep!! Ditch it...I got rid of my Pegasus pocket power box.
Thanks!
Nicely done Steve, thje cable management is one of my bug bears I need to address, you gave me some ideas
Cheers.
Cord wrap!!! Thanks man.....cheers!
Looking forward to first light on that rig 👍
Cheers from Oievdo FL!
Hey neighbor! I've had it out 2 nights on Lowers nebula. Haven't been able to process because I haven't shot flats. Hope to have something soon.
I have the same scope. And spent a good while customizing it to get it really running.
I got some much stronger primary mirror springs from farpoint. Made a huge difference in primary mirror stability and staying collimated (especially after a meridian flip). I also flocked the inside since this version doesn't have baffles (unlike the previous version of the 10 inch).
The focuser drove me nuts! how can you call this an astrograph if it is not setup for an autofocus motor mount - the bottom of the focuser is curved, not flat! I ended up building a plate that I screwed into the focuser-tube mount because I had focuser slip if I used the screws under the focus knob. Any mono imaging load with EFW and camera resulted in focuser slip unless the 4 focuser screws were in and very tight.
Also the threads on the focuser tube is a female M76x0.75, Orion included a converter that is
male M76x0.75 to male M74x0.75. which also has an internal female thread that seems to be M69x1. I wanted to use a click lock to hold the 2 inch receiver, but there are no converters I could find that match up to these threads.
I also needed a mirror mask to cover the clips to minimize the diffraction spikes created by the mirror clips.
I can say, I learned a lot, but it was a challenge to get imaging.
Hey! Sounds like a lot of what I've had to go through and its definitely discouraging. The stronger primary springs sound like something I need to look into. Thanks for the tip!
Glad to see you come back to the DARK SIDE with us Fast Newt Junkies! haha
So you went with the newt. Looking forward to the photos. 😊
Yeah I wanted a better balance between focal length and speed and apeture. Thanks!
@@enteringintospace4685 C11 hyperstar in your future
Just bought the 1600mm Ideal10L. I'm used to f4 and F3 newts. This f6. 3 do you think it'll need a coma corrector, some people are saying no. Might even try my 0.73 CC reducer on it but I really bought it for the long FL. Looking forward to putting it together. Great video!
Git you a grub screw for that there tensioner. There is a USB C port on the side of the AA Plus. You can hook it up to and external Hard Drive and dump your Data. Or like you said hook it up to your PC I'm like you though. I still keep a USB Thumb Drive pluggered in.
Im enjoying the aap but if i decide to go back to nina ill look into a mini pc.
Thank You excellent video.
Thanks!
Great practical demo.
Thanks!
This was a great nerd version of an asmr video!
I just got done going through the same thing with an 8” newt. Doing it off a mini pc and similar gear otherwise. You def hit it on the head when you said an astronerd must be part mechanic as well - done a ton of custom stuff make things work. Psyched for your new kit!
Lol Thanks! I was going to include b roll ever time I opened a bin looking for something to help solve the next challenge but that would have added another 10 mins🤣
I bought the 8" version of that scope. My first mod was the losmandy mount as well. Not sure why they skimped on the mounting hardware. It's rock solid on my EQ6-R Pro mount now. I also changed the focuser. The stock one was crap at best, again, nice scope but crap hardware.
Agreed! Actually with this 10" I've been impressed with its focuser. It's a 3" and very smooth and secure. The light leak in these newts is horrible. The back end has to have a cover....
Hey Steve. Just wanted to let you know you can ditch the USB stick on the ASIAir altogether. You have ethernet running out to the ASIAir so you can just use that to transfer your data off onto your computer after a night of imaging over your network. I transfer my data over the WIFI which is a bit slow, but worth not having to deal with the removable storage....with the cable you should be golden. Just access it by opening up file explorer and doing \\
Wow!! Appreciate this information! I gota figure this out....thanks!!
Hi Steve, I've been using some of your processing techniques. Love the channel.
For my 10" Parks Newtonian, I've created a band above the rings to hold the telescope tube in place, this allows me to make fine adjustments (bc there is no rubber under the rings) but still holds it in place. This also allows me to switch out tubes as I have my placement "saved" via the plastic band.
Hey that great to hear and thanks! Send me a pic sometime of your newt rings this sounds interesting!
@@enteringintospace4685 Its a clear vinyl pipe split down the middle, where hose clamp sits that you can release and tightened when making adjustments. The vinyl pipe is there for thickness and to not damage the tube via the hose clamp.
I can't post images, so I hope this explains the hack.
Now you need them 3nm filters!
Antila....got em😊
I went with the Optolong, Just waiting for my 2" Filter wheel. I would love to compare data on the Oiii filters with you to see what the Halos look like. Might be some good content... Collaboration?
@@enteringintospace4685 I have some data on horse head & flame nebula using the 2” Oiii 3nm Optolong filter. If you want I’ll send it to you for if you ever plan on doing a review. I think it would be great to see the difference between these two filters before I purchase my next set of 3nm filters for a smaller filter wheel.
Great video Steve! I switched back to an 8in reflector F3 last June and have been getting fantastic results. Better than I've gotten with refractors, some costing 3 or 4 times as much as the reflector. Have you had a chance to image with the 10in yet?
Hey thanks Shawn! Yes! I think I've found the best balance of fl to f ratio to appeture. With new tools like blur X I don't have to shoot as long in fl as I used to. The first few images in have been amazing!
I haven't needed ton collimate since picking up a decent refractor but I do think I'd have more to show for my efforts on a reflector or SCT as I used to operate. The issue with the SCT is also one of it's strengths (focal length). On the other hand, I didn't realize how much I benefitted from the aperture until I spent time on thr 3.9" f/5.5.... I had through maybe the focal ratio would make a bigger difference compared to f/10 at 8".
Still like a lot about the refractor but it's a pain in a butt to get enough quality data to stack between the weather and our seasonal changes due to our solar orbit.
I have one also, going to get parallax rings / the only big diff is a EQ-8 . nice set up Your good on cable management me not so much , drunken spider method
Lol, drunken spider! Thanks!
I’m about to pull the trigger on the Quattro 8”. Surely there are plenty of reasons to get rid of it but just curious about the one thing that triggered the move from it to the Orion 10 Newt?
Very good!
Apeture, just that simple. Going to 10" has been such a boost in resolution and speed. The only reason to not get a 10" would be if your mount can't handle the weight.
I plug guide camera into asiAIR but saw u plugged it into main camera to plug EAF into asiAIR. Is that why you're using off axis guiding? and i've always wondered about using LP filters w/ monochrome.
Yeah ive always used the extra USB plug in the main camera for the guide cam as long as their close together.
The lpro definitely helps and I leave it in even when shooting narrowband
Nice work Steven, Still figuring out what I would take for my 6 inch quattro, OFG or guidescope, do you have an Altair 183 MM pro? What would you recommend ?
Thanks! I used to use a 6" celestron newt and my Astromania 60mm scope and asi 290mm worked great. I also had good luck with my asi 120 Mc too.
How is your image train holding up with that Crayford style focuser.? I’ve been having issues with my GSO Focuser slipping with the weight of the image train.
Why aren’t you bolting the camera onto the wheel? And the OAG onto the wheel for that matter?!
My camera only threads onto the filter wheel.
Dang I wanted to break something seeing how poorly made that scope is made LOL! Really wish they'd put a bit more quality into these newts. I mean single bolt on each ring, steel tube with seam, cheap vixen dovetail etc. etc. Orion/Synta has no shame :D
The OAG should help a lot but maybe do a non dithered image run for an hour to check for flexure. Hopefully those rings won't move much or rubber mat between them be an issue..
Always great vids my friend. Wish you the best..
Yeah the gap between high quality and average in the newt and rc world is to big. I would pay another grand for these otas if it meant I was getting a astrophotography scope. The fact that they still send these stupid 9x50 strait finder scopes shows how out of touch they are....lol. Thanks for watching!
great video! Redneck Astronomer!...hope your foucser is working :)
Lol...thanks. yeah it's working great!