Rivian Charging Nightmare | Tesla Was Better
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2022
- Attempting to road trip in my Rivian R1T. Easy charging, frustrating charging, broken chargers, and more!
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The entire road trip consists of worrying about charging stations.
No thanks. I can go 500 miles on diesel without any worries of looking for fuel.
@@nohandle4u2see I own a diesel truck (25 mpg) and a Tesla and I can say that road tripping in both is roughly equivalent. The diesel gets further but costs 3x to 4x more than Supercharging. Overall there are cost vs time considerations for each. Having said all of that if I was forced out of the Supercharger network my opinion would likely change very quickly.
@@trspicer I also own model x and f250 (gas) and if i didn’t have Tesla supercharging stations I would not ever have bought the model x. As soon as I see a volt plopping it’s fat fugly behind in my Tesla charging spot I’m going to probably go back to gas sedan. Somehow I doubt other manufacturers are going to take advantage of Tesla stations, they have repeatedly tried to offer them and no one seems to be jumping on the bandwagon. They’d rather keep their 900 pin club shaped axe head charging receptacles
Check Rivian's Adventure Network chargers. More coming soon.
@@CensoredByRUclips965 This is the way. Hopefully they can scale the fast chargers.
When a Rivian travel experience video becomes a Tesla advertisement. 🤭
A road trip in an RV is an oxymoron!! EVs are only good for around town.
@@iamgermane Wrong! You just haven't driven a Tesla.
@@LaBamba690 Enjoy the spot welded body on that Tesla.
@@iamgermane every car manufacturer uses spot welding 🐑
@@SN-zf6yc Yes but with Tesla to varying degrees from what some say. I would not know as I have not crawled underneath one. I did see a Tesla driving itself around a Walmart parking lot aimlessly....
I took delivery of my Model Y a month ago and I've only used the super charger once and that was on the day I took delivery. The super charger is in my city so I stopped there on my way home since my home charger wasn't installed as of yet. It's a V3 super charger and I was the only car there...doesn't really matter too much with a V3 charger... But I say all this because my wife was with me. She has no experience with electric cars.
I pulled in with 41% and set my limit to 80%. I was there literally 10 minutes. About time I got to messing with the infotainment center and setting up my Netflix and Disney+ access as well as making a few other adjustments it was done charging. There was absolutely NO issues. I plugged in, got the green light and viola. Since my debit card is on file with Tesla it was no muss, no fuss..!!!
Now, I was thinking your experience on the way up was a disaster but in my opinion your whole experience was a nightmare. EvGo might be a little better from what you experienced but it's obvious that EA is simply a government mandated compliance network and it solidifies my decision for going with Tesla.
Exactly. No matter how he tried to sugarcoat it - the non-Tesla charging was a big fat HASSHOLE.
A road trip in an RV is an oxymoron!! EVs are only good for around town.
So glad I bought my 2019 Model 3 and not some other brand....no comparison! I have over 108k miles on it and supercharge all the time doing that drive from San Diego to Sacramento frequently, with zero issues.
You supercharge all the time? Hmmm...that's not good, actually. Supercharging is really only something to be done when you're road tripping. You have a 2019 Model 3 with 108K miles, which means you've been putting on over 25k miles a year. There'a a RUclipsr who's Model 3 battery died at 140K miles. All he did was super charge it. Now granted, he was doing Uber, but you may want to limit your super charging. Ideally, 90% of the time, you're just using a level 2 charger. Super charging all the time severely limits the battery.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 I do uber too.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 supercharging is fine and won’t hurt your battery, its all very well managed.
You were smart.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 beats pushing the car to Sacramento.
Yeah, I'm never switching out of Teslas unless these new EV companies take charging seriously. They're just pushing out the cars, and hoping the customer figures out how to charge it on roadtrips.
You mean until the country takes charging seriously.
@@rnursemd no. If you’ve tried a Tesla and dealt with the charging, it’s definitely the companies. I’ve never been worried yet about finding a Tesla charger. I’ve experienced very few that didn’t work and when they didn’t there were like 10 others available. The government and companies are pumping this crap out and like the OP said, want the consumer to figure it out after the fact. This is going to leave a sour taste in peoples mouths who try purchasing EV’s that aren’t Teslas.
Tesla is letting 3rd party cars to charge at level 3 chargers. I choose Tesla because of it’s infrastructure
We need 1 charging network that works with all EV cars I think that will solve the charging issue we are starting to see now
Tesla 10 years ago.
The Tesla Cybertruck really needs to have the promised 500+ miles range. This is critical to avoid the problems many e-truck owners are facing for towing , camping, and other long road trips.
I don’t know about range but they recently said the cybertruck will use the new v4 chargers and charge ludicrously quick with 1000 volts. The other neat rumor is that the v3 chargers just need a software update to become v4.
towing with a cyber truck will knock range to at least half
@@williamhaynes7089 which is why Tesla needs to keep its promise of 500+ (without towing) so that the truck can be used for tasks such as towing, camping, loads, etc.
The chargers are everything. Right now Tesla is the only one that has it covered unfortunately. The others need to catch up big time. We love our Model X Plaid and we don't worry about going almost anywhere. In fact we stopped flying to Vegas (from Socal) as the Tesla is just so much more enjoyable (And cheaper). (Regular) Autopilot works everywhere as well. As much as I love the Rivian, This video made me very anxious.
This is why I can't see myself buying any EV that's not a Tesla. I've driven 1k miles to Florida and another 1k miles back with ZERO issues. I test drove the Ioniq 5 and tried to charge at an EVGO on the test drive. 6 stalls and 3 of them were broken. The one we plugged into capped us at 40kw. It'll be a good long while before I consider anything other then a Tesla.
Non-Tesla charger locations in the US are trash. Unreliable and too few stalls per location.
get an adapter and use a tesla charger station. Third party stations are just not up to par to rely on them going across country
@@gabrielrabelo4968 ....as far as I know that's not an option just yet in the US. But I've BEEN saying that IF they ever open up the SC network my next car will NOT be a new Tesla Model S.
@@ferrynpalmer3875 it already is open. They opened it up a month ago and released the tesla charger design to the public to make it more widespread
@@gabrielrabelo4968 . Where are you getting this information? I own a Tesla Model S and the pilot has been active, on SOME chargers, in SOME countries. The US isn't on the list as of yet as far as I know. You did make me double check my app to see if I missed a push notification of some sort though! Lol
Since I have owned my Model 3, which I took ownership in the end of June in 2020, I have taken two 3000+ miles road trips. I have only had two issues, one on my first road trip to the west coast and back, at the Tremonton, Utah charged up to the percentage it said I needed and left to go to the Evanston Wy supercharger and then leaving there it wanted me to go back to Tremonton because the Evanston was 100% out of order. A call to Tesla Supercharger support line told me that it was in order and working. Once I got the Evanston everything was working, even though the car said out of order, still. This year on my second road trip, Las Vegas, NM told me I needed to charge for 15 minutes, which I did and started driving towards Trinidad CO, where it showed I was going to be a negative percent 10 miles away from Las Vegas and told me I needed to go back and charge more. A little frustrating for that second one. Everything else with Tesla Supercharging has been flawless and it is most definitely a competitive edge on other brand EVs and a subpar charging network. This definitely needs to be improved if they expect people to give up their ICE cars and go to EVs and don't want a Tesla.
The part you left out is Harris Ranch is out in the BOONIES on I-5 and it’s about 40 miles one direction and 70 miles the other direction to another charging station or freeway exit really for that matter. You CAN’T LEAVE Harris Ranch . With a Tesla, you could have stopped at that nice Tesla charge station in Kettleman City that has a lounge, restrooms, shade, solar powered…
Which was exactly what we did on our way to Disney Thanksgiving week. Love the Kettleman station
Have had a Tesla for 4 years. The Supercharger network is lightyears ahead of anything else. I am very tempted by other EV brands, but sticking to Tesla just for their fantastic network. Been all over the place on the West coast and Southwest without a single issue and minima wait times (the hundred charging stops we made over the years were always welcome and nice short breaks). If the gvt wants rapid adoption of EVs, they need to massively invest or incentivize expansion and standardization of charging stations.
Our energy grid can’t handle it. This is the reason why EV adoption will be slow and steady. We’re at the bottleneck, which is a lack of infrastructure. The energy grid needs to be improved upon. If only we could get over the misplaced fears of nuclear energy. It is very green. After construction, there’s no input of fossil fuels and the energy is created by heating water. It’s very safe. With nuclear, we can have a electrified future. Without it, we will continue to rely on fossil fuels for majority of energy production.
Govt intervention also needs to consider getting the EV car manufacturers to create much faster charging, especially if they want to meet goals of the majority of Americans transferring from ICE to EV.
@@E-Nigma_ There is one fallacy called non sequitur and this is a pretty good example. We all need to be vigilant about such issues. If people had invested in nuclear technology, right now, the grid will not handle it. By the way, distributed solar could help a lot during the summer days.
@@jaimeduncan6167 I can agree with what’s you’ve said here. But wind/solar are not going to and have not had significant impacts on our energy production or distribution. Nuclear would have the most positive effect, and i entirely agree that our power grids need a complete overhaul.
Govt is already working on it they know it’s an issue
Yes, that’s a “no-go”. Especially with kids. Thankfully I didn’t let my hubby persuade me to chose a brand other than Tesla. We don’t take long road trips often, but when we do, we don’t want to stress about how we will charge our vehicle. I hate to hear about your terrible experience. Hopefully things will change soon and there will be more options once the NACS is implemented by all manufacturers.
That is because you are rich and can afford to pay much more money for a car. Not everyone has that luxury.
@@callistoscali4344 then stay with a regular internal combustion car… If you want to spring for a decent EV then you can get a Tesla for the same price as an Ioniq5, EV6 etc but those are stuck on a gimped charging system. The Rivian also costs more than the average Tesla.
@@zguy95135 Yes, as I said, if you are rich to not care about money, then sure. But not everyone has that luxury.
Wow, so happy i didn’t jump in the rivian bandwagon just yet. That looks like a terrible experience compared to tesla. No doubt it will get better overtime, but at this point it looks like a huge hassle to travel. Great video thanks for posting.
The Rivian wasn’t the problem it was Electrify America.
@@michaelboehm2598 autopilot randomly cutting off was not rivians fault?
Those charging rates are insane.
Thomas: Yup. About like gasoline prices in states with roughly average US prices. So much for the idea of saving massively on charging vs. buying gasoline -- at least for Rivian.
@@rogergeyer9851 So, all the disadvantages of long charging times, inconvenient locations, range anxiety all without the benefit of cost savings. At least there is less maintenance,one would hope.
Im actually very surprised by the price. It really lowers the value of EVs. It solidifies that we aren’t there yet. 10-20 years I think we will be.
@@TheOneLastSpartan At one point, I was paying about 6c per kWh. Right now I am about 13c. But traveling past the house and getting 43c kWh is just insane. In this case, all you’ve done is move your tailpipe to central location, no cost savings and it takes more time. I’ve used a supercharger once. And I’ve owned electric cars for 5 years.
@@tmcquitty Remember typically you charge at home which is much cheaper, fast chargers are for road trips
Rich Rebuilds already chronicled the lack of charging areas travelling off US 95. Loves the EV truck
Seeing this and another similar video with a Rivian and the unreliability of EA and others caused me to pass on Rivian. It really does show how Tesla nailed the supercharger network. I have an EV6 but take an ICE vehicle on road trips. Now you see why. The EV6 is awesome around town, but it will be a while before I go road tripping. Considering a model Y performance which I would take on a road trip.
I’ve found making your route “round trip” is best because the planner can think it has been successful getting you there with excess range but then no fast chargers at your destination to get you back to a fast charger where you could have added range on the way out. EA app was showing “vehicle asking for” in October ‘21 but later disappeared so I don’t know now whether the fault with slow charging is my car or EA.
The CCS charging was a real issue when I had a Chevy Bolt. Frequent disconnects and high unavailability. I was hoping it had improved over the last three years. The Tesla Superchargers are really the standard for what should be expected from the CCS systems. Not sure what the underlying issue with EA and EvGo is, but I hope they can improve.
Had same issues with my Bolt. Sessions usually started with app not working, then I would try using card reader, but that would not work either. Then I’d call customer service and they would restart charger. Of course, they would also instruct me to push down on CCS connector because “Bolts sometimes have issues”. After rep restarted charger, I’d try a couple more times before being asked to move my car to try another charger. Often times, phone rep would accept defeat and just manually start a complimentary charge for me. I think I can only remember one time EA charger worked on first try. However, although I had lot of problems with EA chargers, I have to say the customer service reps were always great. They genuinely seemed liked they cared and wanted to resolve problem.
I think the issue is that they're not maintained as well as Superchargers are. They're just allowed to languish by EA and EVgo. After all, EA is just a compliance company and they're really only incentivized to build new stations, not to maintain the ones they already have.
I had the same issues with my Chevy bolt. I traded and got a Tesla. Later I bought a chademo adapter for the Tesla, and have troubles with the turbo and CCS chargers when using that adapter. I think the problem is not the Chevy bolt, the problem is the chargers that don’t say Tesla.
@@gerrylum I think they attempt maintenance, but the contracted maintenance workers aren’t that good. Right after the crew left from “fixing” the Boise EA chargers, I plugged in my Tesla with the CCS adapter and the 350Kw charger was still only doing 38Kw.
Still, I have done over 3k miles of road trips off the Tesla network (Bolt & Model Y). The demand isn’t so high outside of CA, so it’s easier to switch to a working charger.
Aren’t the superchargers subsidized by the government? Shouldn’t all chargers use the same standard?
As a guy who loves road tripping...I can't imagine my 15 minute fuel stop being an almost hour long stop each time....nevermind the almost 100k price tag on a truck half as capable as a Jeep....who just introduced their E-Wrangler...while intrigued...I am interested in seeing how charging one of those out on the trail is going to be practical aside from solar panels on the roof. Awesome video...I always get excited when I see a Rivian in the wild. Such a good looking Truck.
For road tripping, a hybrid car will be the best.
And one of the charge cost $40 for a 71% state of charge so what makes it different than regular/hybrid car. I could drive my 2019 Ioniq Hybrid more than 600 miles and I average around 550 miles from full tank to almost empty mixed driving which will be around 10 gallons of gas. So the cost will be around $54 to top up and took about 5-15 minutes and I am ready to go.
@@neogenesus It is different if you slow charge at home at free or almost free pricing. For road tripping, hybrids are superior.
@Callistos Cali I think the best of both worlds right now is PHEV. Good for commuting and also road trip. The initial cost of pure EV alone is way higher than PHEV.
@@neogenesus only if you need to make regular long road trips.
I am glad you made it home. The fear of range anxiety realized. I chose Tesla as my first EV. At the time Tesla had years of production and seemed like the safest choice. Their Supercharger Network seemed like a big plus. Third party chargers seem mostly a joke. I visited a local Charge Point charger at the local Whole Foods (I am in Texas) mostly for the experience. I used the J1772 adapter and plugged in. Free charging at one of the two stalls. I went in and browsed the store. Bad day for it, they were performing a major reconfiguration that affected 1/3 of the store. After 20 minutes, I went back to my car which had gained 4 additional miles. Woo Hoo. In retrospect, their EV stalls would be useful when the store is busy, sort of like handicap spots as they are reserved for EVs.
Lol 4 miles, useless except in emergency or keeping the car cool/warm
Range reality
@@JeepCherokeeful too heavy not aerodynamic also
let's not compare DC fast charging (e.x. Supercharger) with J1772 (lvl2). Totally different use cases and price points. J1772 is same you would install at home for overnight full charge, so 4 miles of added range for short stop is normal. They are very useful for extended shopping or cinema visit, though they are not built for roadtripping for sure
@@pauliusvindzigelskis2224 except you aren’t parked there overnight. It would be reasonable to use a 50kwh charger or something of that nature for a small fee
EA had 2 plugs primarily for redundancy. They break really easily. Mostly the temperature sensor which then limits to like 37kw for safety.
KyleDinHD: Why do I have trouble BELIEVING that if they actually CARED, they could hire or task competent engineers to FIX such issues.
This reminds me of my mom (an industrial designer) having to work out fixing a problem with her 57 Chevy by designing the part herself and giving the design to Chevy, in exchange for them fabricating the part for her and installing it -- fixing some sort of issue with the heater not working right (it worked, but poorly and misdirected lots of the heat).
The incompetence of many companies just boggles my mind.
What an absolute NIGHTMARE! I would never want to have that experience. I am literally watching this hours before my wife and I take off to AZ from CA on our Teslas. Because we both own Teslas and have done long trips, we don't worry one bit of charging and are looking forward to our 5+ hr drive. But this experience you shared with us is unacceptable. Yeah, I don't see myself getting a non-tesla EV in the near future.
Omar Sub: I really didn't envision the competition would be this poor re having their charging reliable and friendly and competitive for so long. Early on, it made more sense. Kudos to Tesla for being so far ahead on this until the competition manages to wake up and shape up.
It's because he is used to Tesla and how they operate. Other EV's you need to change your mindset, you need to check the EA app and verify what stations are available before arriving.
I don't worry either, but that's becuase I don't drive an EV. Videos like these just show they're a long way from being the future unless you have a tesla.
There's always the Aptera car...
Well, soon hopefully
@@rogergeyer9851 yeah man! This video is concerning because stuff like this makes ppl doubt EVs. Well, I’m currently in AZ and we brought both our teslas, it was an awesome ride here, the supercharger was freaking fast both my girl and I were amazed. We rarely use superchargers since we do most of our charging at home. We did get a hotel which happened to have noodoe chargers. Using my J1772 adapter for the first time and the great thing is this hotel is new so all the chargers work really well. But I would be concerned about taking this road trip with a non tesla EV. Tesla took a huge risk early on and its paying off! They are really far ahead.
I got a tesla about two months ago and loving it. super chargers are every where and never had a single problem charging and never had to wait for a free spot to charge.
True on the unreliable chargers, but we are making our Bolt EUV working real nice for our long mountain commute use case. Charging it from solar in the summer, and low-rate commercial electricity in the winter. Energy cost down from $700 / month to $100 / month. Almost makes up for the car payment on the Bolt. We kept our 2016 Tacoma 4WD, which now may last many more years for the essential hauling duties and 4WD fun.
This was the exact reason why I went with Tesla over the other EV companies or the other companies making EVS Tesla has the infrastructure they've been working on it for the last decade nobody else has it
Gosh, that's crazy, it cost me $32 on fuel to go 160 miles with my F150 and anxiety-free!
And yet, I stop for gas,fill up, go in the store for a bathroom break, wait in line to purchase snacks, and walk back to my truck, while Tesla owners are sitting at charging stations that whole time and then some....
@@michaelracicot233 Most EV owners, Tesla included do not visit the superchargers or EA stations at all.
@@callistoscali4344 I guess those that commute to work, run errands, etc, these are good for that. But long distance driving, towing, carrying a lot of weight, EVs need more work to become a viable alternative
@@michaelracicot233 Long distance driving is not an issue in terms of the solution. The problem is the sub standard service of companies providing the fast charging infrastructure in North America. If you go with Tesla, then it is not a problem at all. However, your concerns about trucks and towing is a real concern. That is because EV batteries are heavy and also expensive. So, the more battery you pack, the more heavy the truck becomes and the worse the range increase with the added batteries. So, it is not optimal for trucks right now. You may end up paying the same amount, if not more for electricity than putting in gasoline. For commuter cars, EVs are more efficient, no doubt and you will save a lot compared to gas.
I'm taking my first long road trip from Arizona through California up to Oregon and not getting great hopes after watching this. Luckily, I won't be in a hurry, but I'll have to check out other charging networks like evgo since electrify America seems to have issues. Hopefully there will be so hotel rooms available in case things don't work out.
We just did the same trip 2 weeks ago, taking the kids to Disney. 2019 Raven Model X
We wound up charging three times each way, Harris Ranch, Kettleman and Bakersfield.
My experience, there were lots of Tesla chargers, Kettleman had 40 on one side of the road and another 40 on the other. Not a lot of EVGo or EA.
One last thought, we used A Better Route Planner to double check stops and making sure we had an “amenities” stop on that route
Its almost like the networks don't want charging to work, so the csd manufacturers can still sell more ICE.
Not really...
We drive a Model Y LR east-west on I40 a lot. We start out on I5 south in California then jump over to I40 at Barstow. The big Tesla "lounge" station at Kettleman City is great for a fast charge and a break with espresso coffee, restrooms and comfy couches. We have used a chargepoint station a few times using the CCS1 adapter with no problems. We have never used an EA or EVgo station and from your and other's experiences we'll probably never use one. My dark side thinks those networks are just waiting for Tesla to open up all their stations to CCS1 to fill out "their" network. On a brighter side, it's really just all about early technology and working out the kinks. Hopefully some after-market company will produce a Tesla charger to CCS1 ported car so you can drive that fun Rivian on long trips without the hassles. Cheers and drive safely.
Nice video. Excellent critique and comparison. Thank you. 👍
In BC along the Trans Canada the last 2 summers there were 3 hour waits just to get to a charger. That is 6 hours plus charging time to get from Vancouver to Alberta. We drive our f150 from Calgary to Vancouver in 10 hours.
I went non Tesla route in the UK for 18 months and while it was okay if you home charged, however on distances it was a pain. I now have a Tesla model 3 and totally appreciate the network. It’s a lack of investment by other manufacturers, as most also manufacture ICE there is no incentive for them to improve.
I was shocked when I saw how much you were paying for charging. 0.40$ PER KWH! That's outrageous! It completely negates any advantage of running an EV over using a gas-powered car. There is definitely savings if you charge at home for 10-15 cents per kWh, but with the prices they charge for remote charging, you're better off with a gas car for road trips.
Plus factoring in the higher registration fees it becomes about the same as ICE.
These high power chargers really should only be used for road trips, and being similar price to a gas car for a road trip (minus the first 300 miles, since you should have been able to get a full charge at home) really isn't a big deal. If you can't charge where you live or work, EVs probably aren't a great option, but fortunately, more and more places offer charging (both where I and where my wife work have chargers, as did my last 2 apartments), and charging at home, even with a normal outlet, is good enough for the vast majority of people's daily needs.
At this point hybrids beat the shit out of EV especially on longer trips.
This is very informative and nicely done! As someone planning to get an EV a year or two down the road, it’s good to know what issues I’ll be facing.
You won't have any issues if you buy a tesla, which is the real deal, screw all the rest.
Waiting a year or two ? You won’t have issues because a lot more charging stations will be built by then
I have a 150 mile Nissan Leaf and I’ll tell you that if I didn’t live in WA state I would have been screwed. I had to mentally calculate how much to charge until the next station so I know all the Chademo locations and how much battery I need to get to them really well.
7:50 : I know this exact charger at Harris Ranch - I used it within the past few weeks. That EA charger does not work properly - it charges, but not at the proper speed. Fortunately, when I used it, there were other chargers available because I was driving at night. So, I just switched to the charger next to it and got the expected charging speed.
BTW, that's probably why the charge was complimentary.
And this is why I have hard time going down to 10% unless there are multiple charge options around.
I'm super excited to get my R1T, but I also know that I can't road trip it as where I want to take it there isn't any chargers, so I'll have to take the Model Y instead. Kind of a bummer, but around KC (home), it's going to be awesome! Charging costs are really apples to orange when you compare it to a Tesla. The R1T battery is significantly bigger, so it's expected to take longer to charge and cost more.
Why would you need both cars
So glad I bought a tesla, the 3rd party charging network in the UK is bloody awful
This is why the supercharger network is such a huge edge for tesla.
Yes, the Tesla network is the best. Hope they open it up. You should be driving on Conserve Mode for trips. You can change still change the height to low or standard. The key to Conserve is you only use the front two motors, which extends your range, by a lot. And look for the 250 kW if you can.
Im pretty sure Tesla network has been open for years, and they definitely released their patent on their charge port design. Its a conscious choice by brands to not make the effort to integrate.
@@Alexander-NA It's only open to non-Teslas in Europe currently. They have stated they plan to open it up to other EVs in the future
@@Alexander-NA that is not correct outside Europe. And they just opened up the charger patent for use a few weeks ago. They could have done this years ago but did not and were legally going after anyone who tried. They could have been the global standard with their chargers if they had done this years ago
@@openmind6969 it was open to other manufacturers always but they had to open source their own technology as well to be allowed. Nobody took the bait.
@@LarsDennert so it wasn’t open as many Tesla fans were made to believe.
Pretty sure the variable kWh you're seeing is an Electrify America issue. I see it all the time with different chargers locally and the one time I did a trip around NYC. I know the local ones to pull into to get the full (usually 180 kWh with my Rivian on the 150 kWh chargers.) Your way back sounds exactly like my NYC trip was. I ended up going to two different EA chargers in the area and was getting 20kWh on the first one, then no connections at any of the other chargers, including the Elizabeth NJ stop where I think there were 12 chargers open, that was something that was weird with Rivian and EA that night, and the EA support line was down. I ended up at an EVgo charger 20 minutes away and was getting around 85 kWh, which allowed me to sleep a little while it was charging (it was around 4am at this point.) It was a nightmare of a night.
Thanks for the great content. I will absolutely stay with my Tesla. Over 4 years and 103K miles and I still love it
For the cruise control thing in my Accord, I just set it to 80/85 mph and let it do it's thing in traffic. It'll speed up or slow down as necessary (it caps at 90 mph and cuts out below 15 mph).
It will set to whatever speed you turn it on at, so if you are at your cruising speed when you start it, that will be it's max speed.
You have just described Autopilot in a Tesla. It's properly called TACC - Traffic Aware Cruise Control. It's all you need.
The Tesla supercharger network is the only one for me!
Yup, Tesla chargers are massive differentiator. I don't even think about charging with Tesla.
I was thinking about this while watching this video, they get out, figure out if the stall is working, do some kind of payment dance, then wait for several minutes to see if the charger will connect and if the charge rate is sufficient, then can finally go eat. Tesla you just park, plug in and walk away and it works 100% of the time.
@@graffix11us and its a LOT faster too. Over an hour for 10-80% is ridiculous.
I should of did a video of our similar experience with our Rivian from south FL to TN and back. Similar experience. We had zero issues going up there with EA, but returning on the sunday after thanksgiving (when everyone and their mothers were traveling) every charging station we got to was having issues. 6 stall units had 1 working, or non... Turned our 12 hr trip normally (done it many times in our Tesla) into 19 hrs. I'll never take the Rivian long distance again, or at least until they figure out a better charging network. Kinda crazy nobody is jumping on a new network before everyone.
Can you imagine the lines at charging stations when everyone has an EV and it takes 15 minutes for each person to charge? Charging stations (gas stations) will look like car lots.
The stations will like that as you will more likely go in to buy stuff from their store.
Buford ga the line to the supercharger was 30 mins and it took 30 mins for my rented model 3 to go from 24 to 80 percent. Also the line was so random as it weaved through the costco parking lot we had to keep an eye out for line jumpers sneaking in
@@rc28ify That is now when not many people own them. It will be different when everyone has to drive one.
I have an Kia Soul ev 2017 damn thing only gets 65 miles on a full charge now. Was 113mikes when I purchased it brand new.
2020 I purchased a used 2018 Tesla M3 with 17,000 FSD and acceleration boost for $45,000 best experience and purchase ever. I still drive the Kia to work most days about 30 miles round trip. I’ve been trying to get a battery replacement on the Kia they are giving me hell.
The charging experience was always a crazy situation taking any trip out of the city. And this was before DCFC were around like they are now. Mind you the Kia uses CHADEMO 😢😢
What do you mean acceleration boost? Is that like another tesla m3 model?
@@Mr_Vosakisen it’s a software unlocked upgrade. On dual motor M3 gets it close to m3 proformance speeds.
@@Mr_Vosakisen $2000
@@Darclover82 ohhh so it unlocks the motor limit. Idk how i feel about paying 2k for that tho, was it worth it?
@@Mr_Vosakisen I didn’t pay for it the previous owner did. So I’ve only experienced having it vs not having it. I would check some videos on RUclips and see their reviews. I’ll say when I turn it off. It definitely feels like a different car.
I brought this up on other RUclipsrs videos last year that the number of ccs cars will vastly outnumber the charging system for those cars. My drive from Phoenix to LA is easy in a Tesla. In a cvs car. Yoh will have to wait at every charger along the way
It is also easy in a Prius.
@@callistoscali4344 Owning a Prius is like dating an ugly woman or riding a moped. Maybe a pretty good ride, but you don't want your friends to see you riding it.
@@The_DuMont_Network Of course, but not many people have the luxury to spend more money than necessary for traveling.
@@callistoscali4344 Which is why Supercharging is better. It is less expensive than the others.
@@The_DuMont_Network Not really. Maybe same price. The Tesla is much more expensive though.
Does rivian offer needle proof tires? Seems like a necessity in cali. Love your truck, hopefully you are enjoying it!
I just did a similar trip to Sunnyvale Jin my Model Y this past weekend and was wondering how CCS equipped cars would do. This is just what I expected. Tesla network was uneventful. So easy and relatively quick. Too bad EA really did not build with the best materials and reliability in mind. Thank you for taking the trip with the Rivian for our education.
This is a great video and it shows what you can expect from EVs. I cannot afford an EV as they're out of reach for me at this time as for a load of other people. But at this point if something ever happened and I came across a lot of money I would probably get a Tesla. I think the rivian is much better and More beautiful of the vehicle than any Tesla. But the advantage to Tesla is the charging reliability and the fact they have chargers almost everywhere in North America now. All of these car companies are making EVS but none of them have deeply invested into charging infrastructure like Tesla has. I'm not a big Tesla fan but I will give them credit where it's due. They have worked very hard on their charging infrastructure and it puts them leagues ahead of everybody else
you summed up the situation of electric cars. It's easy to live with the tesla on road trips.
This is why I chose a Tesla. I wanted a Rivian but I can’t deal with the lack of infrastructure at this point in my life
I may be able to in 3 years though
what a pain of a travel! thanks for the honest comments on the video , i fully anti EV's by now
10:05. A Lucid with a range near 500 miles was charging to 100% for free because they can. That certainly doesn’t help with network congestion.
I do a lot of road trips with my Chevy Bolt between Santa Rosa Portland and Reno and haven't had an issue but I choose to travel on weekdays since I'm retired. I have noticed the one time I did try to come back on a Saturday some of the chargers were full. Up here at a lot of the DC charger spots there is only one DC charger so I look on plug share or charge point and see if it's in use.. I also have the Tesla adapter for destination chargers and bring along my evse that has a 1450 nema plug as some of my friend's houses have 1450 outlets. It's not always nice to start a trip with 100%
$40 to charge 😮💨 that’s insane I supercharge here in Tennessee for like $11 at the most 🤣 I see why people are leaving cali
It is not suppose to be $40. He should pay for a $4 per month fee to get the discounted rate.
@@callistoscali4344 Yes at $.31/kwh his $49 bill would've been $29. Still too expensive for me. I'll just drive locally and charge at home .
Tennessee has the Tennessee Valley Authority
@@pstoneking3418 even at that rate my nissan titan here in Ohio is more economical to drive.😱
@@zelenizub2036 You got to show the numbers. The Titan gets 16 to 21 mpg, so it is not very efficient.
The Rvian looks like too much stress for me. I need a truck that can get me there and back with as little range anxiety as possible.. Ill wait to see if the Cybertruck can live up to the hype on range and charging before I decide which truck I'll get
Or just buy a diesel.
Diesels are king for mpg, range, & towing big loads.
Never have to worry.
Man I have an old 99 dodge Durango with the 5.9l I had range anxiety with that 300km a tank that cost 200$ to fill up any of these ev would go further on a full charge then that Durango does I don't get why people have this range anxiety considering it mostly mental manufactured... what did we do when gas station weren't as widely available like it is today oh and we didn't have goggle maps or any of that real time GPS location we had to buy a map figure out where we are and locate a gas station and hope it is still there 😀
Dang, how close to the steering wheel are you sitting? If that thing ever deploys, you're gonna have a bad time.
I think your experience really highlights the fact that there are still many improvements that need to be made to the national charging infrastructure as more and more electric vehicles are purchased. 90% of my charging is done in home and I've thankfully had no issues with my Rivian using Electrify America fast chargers on my few road trips, but there are sometimes not many fast charging options on some routes, specifically when in more rural areas. And if any of those limited chargers were offline, it would be a nightmare. I was hunting with my dad this Fall and was nearly 50 miles from the closest town that had a charger. So I had to watch my battery closely while out in the woods for a almost a week.
How many miles/kWh do you get for a road trip?
@@callistoscali4344 I am averaging 2.06m/kWh for the first 3000 miles of owning the R1T. I have the 20" AT's so range is reduced and a LOT of my trips have mountain bikes on a rack (I ride 3-4 days a week), so take that into consideration. But I have seen 2.4-2.5 miles per kWh on longer trips in conserve mode.
@@superawesomefuntimego I did some Math. If we compare to a hybrid truck, Ford Maverick, it can get 30mpg. So, if gas is at $3.40/gallon, and you need say 12kWh to travel 30 miles, it means you need the electric price to go below $0.28/kWh to break even. With that in mind, I don't think having such an inefficient electric car is cost effective at all. I understand if it is >3.5 miles/kWh it would be acceptable, but at 2 to 2.5, it is just too inefficient to make sense getting the Rivian.
@@callistoscali4344 Yeah I think it depends on your needs and electricity rates. My current rate is $0.12/kWh so it is cheaper for me. It will also be interesting to see how the R1T does with the dual motor setup that should be more efficient than the quad motors. My chunky 20" AT's rob around 10% of the efficiency compared to the stock 21"s. A good hybrid I think would make plenty of sense for lots of people, though. Although the Maverick would never work for my needs.
it's "Tesla Is Better" not "Tesla Was Better"
You know he is referring to his former Tesla right?
I liked hearing the pickup start and leave without any issue. Maybe in the next decade ev’s will be useful.
Maybe is a big stretch
Buy a proper EV and you won't have these issues. I travel long distance in my Teslas and don't have this issue. No ICEVs for me again.
I can see fights breaking out from people line cutting these charging stations.
Whenever you get unexplainably bad charging performance, just hard reset the vehicle by disconnecting the 12V battery under the hood with a spanner that you could keep in your glove box and reconnect it after a minute or two. If you can do a software restart, that might also work.
@@freethink9510 it's rediculous but it's the reality, and pretty attractive if the alternative is being stranded and forced to stay the night at a hotel or tow your vehicle to a dealership. I've had to do this (12V battery hard reset) for a Nissan Leaf that wouldn't charge and a Chevy Spark EV that had a 12V battery fault due to the computer switching from precondition mode to drive mode. All car computers can and will brick themselves, Tesla's line of cars are no different. Any electronic device is prone to issues, especially in harsh environments outside. That's also not mentioning susceptibility to space weather as Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken making our electrical infrastructure more unreliable. If a coronal hole or M class solar flare can shut down airports nationally, it can brick a car computer or a fast charger. Sure, it's dumb considering the price of these vehicles and the infrastructure they rely on, but drivers need to wake up to these realities and start working on their own resilience in the face of adversity.
Thanks for this honest video- I can’t imagine supporting a company that cares so little about such an important issue- I wonder how Rivian justifies this policy of not providing a charging network-
Not just them. Literally everyone but Tesla has no or almost no network.
Are you reporting your issues with the chargers to EVgo and EA? I feel like a lot of people experience these issues and just move on to a different charger without reporting the issue, and the charging providers never fix them because they never hear about the issues.
Chargers are basically computers so technically they should report itself automatically…that is the key in tech anyways which is nothing special so requiring someone to report is going backwards…..IMO
@@Turbo6019 That costs money to implement. Money that they were unwilling to spend.......
You can report them in one hand and crap in the other. I have a big amount to bet you which hand will fill first.
Haha... EA is paid in part based on reported "uptime" - so they DO NOT want to show a charger as down or slow so they can hit their targets and get that govt $$$. They are always working 100% even if 10 of the last 10 visits were charge failures and there have been no successful charges in a week. Yes, you can find EA chargers that are bagged off and haven't been used in a week showing "100% good to go". It would be absolutely trivial to show a charger has either impacted or offline if the last 3 sessions were below 50kw (ie, temp sensor bust - often), if the last 5 efforts to charge failed or if there have been no successful charges in the last 4 hours and expected charges > 5. EA is primarily about getting govt subsidy money. If you understand that you will understand why the consumer experience is so bad. They do somehow pay Accenture (via umlaut) to give them various awards. Accenture has "recognized Electrify America as the nation’s best charging network for the second year in a row" in some kind of govt audit. Hahah! That's kind of a laugh out loud statement. They also have the most advanced technology for reliability supposedly.
Hey Ryan, what do you travel back and forth from so often. I too live in Westwood/LA and travel back and forth to Fairfield at least twice a month these days. Just curious.
"Rich Rebuilds" had the same problems with his Rivian driving from New Jersey to North Carolina.
Thank you for this presentation. I’m going to cancel my Rivian RT1, fortunately I own Tesla model S, which has never let me down. I’ve taken my MS from the central coast of California up and into Oregon (twice) with no charging problems what’s so ever. The Tesla charging network makes road trips much more enjoyable.
14:34 holy shit that’s on par with gas prices man.. 😭
Might just be more expensive Cali prices for electricity. In Chicago it's $20 or under to charge a Tesla. Every once in a while it's a little over 20 if you have a completely empty battery
Govt easily rolls out a charge program but will it be functional AND maintained?
Hi I don't have an electric car but it would clearly make sense to charge it for the day after your arrival the day before or to add a next day destination as there might not be chargers near by
You are awesome, Ryan! Tesla has really been building more and more large charging stops along major corridors and I’m hoping that they are preparing for an open network of sorts. I am a Tesla Model 3 owner, but my next car might be something else, especially with a great charging network.
1:17 - That is why ABRP is so handy. You can specify the state of charge you want to arrive at your destination with.
Totally agree, I use ABRP even with the Tesla to map out different routes that would use other charge networks, although I've only used chargepoint for these cases.
Same
I've had a BMW i3 for about 5 years. The charging network on the East Coast was terrible and has recently improved to be " a little better". I have the REx back-up gasoline engine, and would not have purchased an EV without it then. Today, I'd only choose a Tesla as a pure EV.
Your experience is a shame but is pretty consistent with my experiences on the East Coast. Broken chargers, slow chargers and more recently all working stalls full chargers.
So far my experience with EA here in CO has been flawless at multiple stations. Hopefully it stays that way.
Why do people have an issue driving themselves these days ?
So if you’re foolish enough to buy a non-Tesla EV, don’t plan on any road trips because the charging networks stink. You did it, Mary.
It stinks for noobs, I agree, but if you are savvy, then you can manage. Tesla makes it idiot proof, but you pay much more for the car.
That's what I'm saying..and I literally tell people that.
@@nobottee Leaf, Bolt, Kona, Niro, ID4, MachE, Ioniq, etc.
Did you have the Rivian precondition the battery for charging to increase the charge speeds when charging?
Do you have to pay for the navigation service? I always wonder this with EVs. I'm guessing it needs a network connection to know where charging stations are.
RUclips Channels like Kyles out of spec keep trying to prop up CCS and it’s a literal piece o crap! And now you should keep warning your audience that all but Tesla super charging is unreliable and miserable! There is nothing good to say about it . I have 51k miles having to use CCS because my company fleet sept wouldn’t choose Tesla . I’m in a Volvo XC40 recharge and CCS charging or trying to charge daily! It’s an absolutely frustrating miserable experience. Don’t walk away from CCS run!
Kyle definitely shared both sides. I’ve seen several road trips where he has problems with CCS and calls it out. I actually ran into him at the Fully Charged event in San Diego where a rep from EA was talking about their new chargers that were replacing their current chargers. He told me he had already tried a new one and it had failed. I saw a video he posted later that mentioned that very thing, so he wasn’t just sharing that fact with me.
There's nothing wrong with the CCS standard. Tesla uses them in Europe.
In Northern California it is an epic fail! It’s inefficient, cables thick and unwieldy especidd as lily in cold climate . Poorly maintained by EA and chargepoint . I’d like to see a pole on how many love it and think it’s fantastic.
Especially in cold climate -
@@seprarep I haven't had any issues with the Tesla chargers in Norway, even in winter.
Tesla, more than just a car company 😊
I just got an R1T and surprised to find that it has no (zero) efficiency statistics on screen. Probably because it only gets about 2mi/kWh (My BoltEV usually double that) but the battery is huge (the R1T also has super scanty info about battery data - just a % state of charge) so gets good range. Takes lots charging as a result. I don't use it for road trips or would not have bought it but even just level 2 charging at home , the charging takes many hours.
EA is flat out not acceptable until they get their new 350kW equipment rolled out nationwide.
I have an id4 now and have the same problems on road trips. I decided to get a Tesla for this reason. A.E. has major problems and I don’t want to deal with it anymore. Great video, it confirmed exactly how I feel every time I road trip. But it’s not the id4’s fault.
Technically not the cars fault but since EA is owned by Volkswagen, it kind of is. All other EVs will struggle until Tesla opens up their SC network sadly. I still only recommend Tesla to anyone who asks about buying electric. From charging to software, overall efficiency and tech, Tesla has nailed all of these aspects. Buying anything else and you are settling for less.
I got an id:4 pending to be delivered in the 4th qtr do you think it worth getting over a tesla only reason considered it id:4 offer 3yrs of free super charging
Thanks for the experience!
Glad that there are more non-tesla chargers here in Europe.
The R1S wants you to take over before bridges and tunnels to avoid phantom braking - which is a common issue in these changing illumination situations.
I have a BMW i3, and I can get about 150 to 160 miles on a full charge. I can get to 95% on Electricity America in less than 40 minutes from near depleted batteries consistently. The max charge rate requested by the car from the charger is about 45KWh. It's so consistent that I can plan any length trip the same way I do it with gasoline power.
Between the charging issues, sitting around waiting hours to charge and to download the app etc and charging fees in 20-40 dollar range and the upgrades needed to the national grid and building charging stations for a $100,000 suv you can get a glimpse of just how far we are, as a nation, from the electric car transition. I am all for it but this is a LONG LONG way off.
One of the biggest problems I encountered since I got a CCS1 adapter for my Tesla is how many 250kW stations only pump out 50-60kW, this confirmed with Taycan, Mach-E, and EV6 owners charging next to me. Also I find the draconian handshake process a total PITA compared to the simple plug and play at Superchargers. Add poorly executed softwares like with ID.4 and it turns into a total nightmare for owners.
Yea, I'll just stick to the model Y
Which video did u speak more about the trip? The one you referred to in this video?
Nothing has frustrated me more than EE experiences! I’d say 3 out of 5 experiences have some issue for us. That’s basically a ‘F’ rating for a network.
I really want an r1s for the extra room but my hesitations have been charging and the cabin noise / rattles reported...
This trip is a complete nightmare though and is making me even more wary.
Gosh, that's crazy, it cost me $32 on fuel to go 160 miles with my F150 and anxiety-free!
just read where Sweden has drafted a bill that may eliminate EV charging this winter if their energy situation gets worse--- i dont see where california or the entire country for that matter can be anywhere close to making EV travel seamless for decades (if ever)
I love pulling up to the gas pump in my Arctic pick up truck and topping off the tank in about four minutes and getting back on my way. We’re about 10 years away from electric vehicle is being feasible.
It is currently feasible with battery swap. Not yet in the US.
Just found your channel. Love to see how EVs get adopted in different parts of the world. I‘m happy that most of the SuperChargers in Europe are open to other EVs as they come with CCS2. So many options on all road-trips.
Yep, this is my EA (and others) experience exactly with a Nissan LEAF (even worse with Chademo). I rented a Tesla on Turo for a 1700 mile trip to Canada, it was effortless.
Oh my God, the indignity!!! He has to drive himself in HIS car 😂😂😂