1958 High school exchange students: Brazil, Ethiopia, Italy, S. Africa. "How do you view Americans?"
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High school students Marcella Bassani (Italy), Rina Thorn (South Africa), Suzana Rigoleth (Brazil), and Yilma Taddesse (Ethiopia) discuss what the word "American" means in different parts of the world. Race problems and prejudices as viewed in different parts of the world also are discussed
The Brazilian girl Suzie was brilliant. Absolutely agree with her point about segregation and mixing. She also called out the Ethiopian guy on his hypocrisy. Interesting how the Italian girl wasn’t taught about her own country’s recent history. Governments tend to sweep inconvenient truths under the carpet in education systems.
Keep telling yourself these views. The long arc of history will bend towards Rina.
Suzie Was a hypocrit herself when questioned about marrying a Black Man. That's how white brazilian think. They don't care as long it doesn't happen in your family
@@preussianblau5595 first of all history doesn’t arc because arcing implies subjectively and events are objective, the idea that history supports the biases of one specific group is ludicrous because history is not a tool to support your ideas but an established set of events with trends that can be analyzed to discover an idea. Learning about the bad this and placing emphasis on them is actually useful because it discouraged chauvinism and nationalism which are things that can act as gateways towards fascism. I see myself as American, but not because of blood and soil rhetoric that fascists like to invoke but in a more Hegelian sense of being a product of my experiences growing up in America. I’m an American who is disillusioned by America. You also can’t prove a link between declining birth rates in countries and you didn’t prove that a declining birth rate is a bad thing, the only way I see it as a bad thing is because it contributes to a economic downfall if there are more jobs than people and everyone suffers. Also why would people that don’t want to sire children in their own country go to a different country to have children there, that logic doesn’t make sense but it also perpetuates the idea that one race of people wants to cuck another race of people which was invoked as a reason for white supremacist lynchings and attacks carried out in the Jim Crow south but also allowed for the legalization of miscegenations illegality, only black men would be punished for it. Also the idea that we have three generations left what with global warming is extremely generous, unless we move planets or colonize the sea or something but that’ll only be the bousgiest of the bourgeoisie would get to live anyways. The worst thing is that you RECOGNIZE AND ACKNOWLEDGE that these things are bad but you go on to say that we not only shouldn’t talk about them but also that they’re causing people to stop being horny and that actually these the thoughts on prejudice of a teenage girl who grew up UNDER THE RULE OF A FASCIST DICTATOR are actually the objective truth and that we should stop pushing the narratives you acknowledged as bad in your original fucking comment!!! (Also I screenshotted that shit so don’t try to be sneaky and change it lol)
The Ethiopian was straight embarrassing but now we see why their think the way their do today!
@@cassiopeiathew7406 Your post is anything but objective.
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"Não vou chamar a gente de americanos (ao se dirigir à menina brasileira) porque vocês são americanos também, se pararmos pra pensar" - a entrevistadora.
Hahahaha incrível ver uma americana mandar essa há 64 anos atrás.
Ela sabia uma coisa naquela epoca que até hj os estado unidenses não aprenderam
@@Oquadrinheiro América tmb é o nome de um país, como Estados Unidos do México. Eles não estão errados em se chamar de americanos, nós tmb não, mas são sentidos diferentes. Existe um continente e um país com mesmo nome
@@gamergamerprobr7572 Sem contar que há distinções também, América do Sul, Central e do Norte
@@ricardooliveira9774 Então eles deviam se chamar norte americanos e não americanos com tons de superioridade.
No final todos são americanos.
@@gamergamerprobr7572 concordo com você. O problema que enfrentamos é uma questão nominal mesmo, pois seria a mesma coisa que um país na Europa se chamar República da Europa, Reino Unido da Europa ou qualquer outra coisa. O conflito aqui é que os EUA é o principal país da América, então causa esse conflito nominal porque o planeta todo olha pra América (continente) e acaba vendo só a América (país). Nesse caso, seria realmente melhor chamar os EUA de Estados Unidos ao invés de América, justamente pra não "apagar" a relevância dos outros países do continente. Mas, no fim das contas, realmente não é errado chamar o EUA de América, porque realmente a parte "Estados Unidos" é apenas o nome do país, assim como "República Federativa" do Brasil.
The funny thing is the Ethiopian boy didn't like the Italian superiority over his country but is proud to speak of his tribe's superiority over other tribes. 🤔🤔
Typical double standard, isn't? He blurted out mother of all the prejudices
And his tribe are still like that.
@@Athosawi Not the general public but the recently sprang up so called political elites like those in ABN and Balderas are glorifying/reminiscing it. .... shamelessly.
Very confused
As a matter of fact who fight the Italians was the tigrayans, as much as his tribe, yet he called them inferior.
As a citizen from the USA, but who's lived in Brazil for over a decade (and I do speak Portuguese) Susie crushed that debate. What an intelligent, articulate ambassador from her country. Everything she said was on point. I wonder where she is now.
She went to college in Brazil, and after working as a teacher for a few years, she went to the US, where she got her master's and Ph.D. degrees. She got married and obtained American citizenship in the 1980s. She'd be 83 years old now.
True.
And as a Brazilian is hard to comprehend how someone could think having a segregated nation would work.
@@kkfoto ela tem redes sociais? Alguém consegue se contatar com ela, tinha curiosidade de ouvir ela falando sobre essa entrevista
@@kkfoto ela já morreu então? :(
@@Markus_Bechtel Ouvi alguém nesse vídeo comentar que ela ainda tá viva, o cara que comentou mora nos EUA
as a brazilian i feel very proud of susie. she proved to be way ahead of her time, especially in expressing her opinion on segregation and miscegenation, i agree with her. what a smart girl!
Isn't Brazil still segregated?
@@purplelove3666 Brazil was never segregated like USA or South Africa The elite has been mostly white (though not necessarily white according to your standards), but among poor people, white and black have always mixed.
@@coe3408 which south American country was segregated?
@@rodrigoe.gordillo2617 i think he meant "South Africa"
@@purplelove3666 The problem in Brazil, as ALWAYS is CLASS, not ethinicity!
The whole bs about skin color is just narrative to divide and conquer.
Very interesting. The Brazilian lady was of white background, still she understood that discrimination was dangerous to society and made her point against apartheid. This was because of the positive Country culture she was brought up in.
@Comentarista Mesmo.
@Comentarista racism has always been a thing here, what they're trying to bring is more tribalism which yeah is pretty shit
@Comentarista that's why i mention tribalism, everyone else but white people has always been victim of racism here, you're just noticing it now because it's starting to happen to you too
The South African lady is the one talking about apartheid, apartheid origins from South Africa🇿🇦
@Comentarista amigo os brancos sempre foram os privilegiados sem oq se preocupar e sem discriminações pra suportar todo dia, agora vc tomou um choque de realidade que agora não tem mais esse papo e todo mundo odeia como muitos brancos ainda se sentem superiores aos outros.
É como dizem, nem todos os brancos mas sempre um branco.
They cut the video when the woman from Brazil began making great points about how people should treat one another, no matter what color they are. 🥴🤷🏾♂
Eu concordo se tivesse mais uns 5 minutos ela provavelmente faria um debate tipo os de Martin Luther King ou Nelson Mandela
@@AleatorioCanal. não compara o Mandela com MLK. Mandela nunca teve a questão racial como a principal, só calhou de usar isso como discurso pra gringo e colou por ele ter sido do lado que ganhou por lá.
Blacks don’t even do that in Africa and Brazil was majorly white back then. Not anymore so she failed
@@VictorFC não viaja.
@@sidinessilva9786 pior q é vdd ele sempre a favor da violência e Mato muito lá, terrorismo e os krl, só dps viu q esse não era o caminho, agora se foi politicagem ou não aí já não sei.
A menina brasileira deu um show de simpatia e consciência sobre o que acontecia no mundo.
Com 18anos
Sem bem que a educação que ela recebeu nos anos de 1958, foi de uma filha de suíços e não dos demais jovens brasileiros que nessa época mal falavam português direito e o analfabetismo chegava nos 50% da população. Tanto que como ela mesmo disse, os pais racistas... Não permitiria que ela casasse com um negro. Em outras palavras, ela não representava o jovem brasileiro na sua época. O conhecimento dela não correspondia ao dos demais jovens do país.
@@semnome_0800 foi verdadeira
@@semnome_0800 O ensino era muito mais forte antes. O ensino médio era excelente. Nem todos o cursavam, porque naquela época o ensino mais básico já possibilitava empregar-se num cargo de classe média. Hoje, por exemplo, nem todos fazem cursos de pós-graduação. Naquela época nem todos cursavam o ensino médio, e menos ainda faculdade. Mas o ensino era melhor em todas as fases.
@@semnome_0800 ela morava no Rio, tinha conhecimento social sobre nossa cultura, independentemente dos pais serem suíços ou não, é como uma pessoa de Harvard vir conviver no Brasil, com conhecimentos amplos em múltiplas áreas, mas com o tempo começa a absorver a nossa cultura, isso é adaptação.
The Brazilian girl was well ahead of her time, smart young girl with a very sound idea of how life ought to be.
She doesn't marry them but she's not against if others white ppl mingle with blacks she's open mind i respect that viva brazil
@@kerchele7589 The Brazilian girl is Swiss as she stated on the show. Brazil is colored and will always be colored. White just moved in, don't you ever forget it.. incase you do the Swiss immigrants living in brazil, typically wouldn't date colored native aboriginal people as she mentioned her swiss parents wouldn't allow it. She is a Swiss immigrant in Brazil. Any one who looks white in Brazil is 90% white. They just colonized and move in like in America. But she's is the smartest on that stage for sure. Viva Brazil 🇧🇷♥
@@ronw6707 That's ridiculous, Brazil is full of black, brown and white people then as now, and there has always been a lot of marriage between those then and even more so now.
@@FOLIPE No it was not back then, I agree with you that there is more now obviously. This video is pretty old and Brazil is still predominantly brown. White are foreigners it goes back to geography. You probably believed the lie Jesus was white too lmao. Geography is important to know
@@ronw6707 You don't seem to know much about Brazil, it was at the time majority white due to immigration, but now and before then it was about equal parts white and brown with a black minority. Regardless, white and black are foundational to Brazil, even because that's where all brown people came from and most whites and blacks also have mixed ancestry.
Eu tô passada que existia um programa tão importante assim nos anos 50.
Repara que quando a brasileira diz para deixar os negros frequentarem as mesmas escolas dos brancos a moderadora interrompe IMEDIATAMENTE o debate. É muito forte.
Eu ficaria assim se existisse hoje.
@@rudolphstrongbear existe na coreia chama abnormal submit mas com adultos.
Eu também
@@andrepaivadefigueiredo9927 Na verdade todos os outros debates foram cortados bem assim no meio da conversa, independente do que estava sendo dito, n tem nada "muito forte" ela ter feito isso nesse debate
I loved her sarcasm about the Americans not caring enough to learn another language and it's up to you to learn English lol then they get mad when they hear someone speak another language when they can speak English as well.
Not only Americans I live in Italy were they speak German and Italian. They're jeluse of me because they can speak good Italian they speak more German. As me I love Italian. I can speak the two languages
Buddy Aces lol
Yup
Galvão...
@@LeoGuitarize Diga lá, Tino.
Wow . Four 18 year olds debating and no one interrupts or gets offended . THis is what we need today !
Brazilian girl was ahead of her time. Very open minded about racial themes for someone in the 1950s.
its not surprised when you remember she is brazillian and not american. brazillian culture just educated her like that, it was like that in the 50s and is still like that now. this open racism that happened in the 50s was not the same everywhere.
As a Mexican, I'm not surprised. I grew up exactly how she explains, and even though we have our own problems (colorism, which is slowly but surely on it's way out), I still struggle to understand race as a concept. The fact that me and my siblings would all be considered different races is mind blowing.
I remember talking to my father about this and he explained it beautifully:
"While Brazil has its problem regarding race and ethnicity, there were never laws and amendments that promoted it"
It is because in Brazil, miscegenation is almost mandatory
Muita gente já falou isso cara,
I'm really amazed by the fact that they could speak english so well, and had such a good vocabulary, in ages when they didn't even had internet and all of the tools we have today. That was a slap on my face to study better my target languages
I noticed that too, learn other language without the contact we have today must be really hard
these people would be considered the mensa kids of today in their respective countries, they are brought abroad because of how exceptional they are
I thought exactly the same as you! xD
That's why their english is good. You couldn't rely on stupid slangs and emojis to express yourself.
@@luminaspargo4630 all living languages everywhere throughout history have had slang. The internet may have made slang more visible but it has always existed
Susie is the best representation of Brazil i could ever ask for. She is outgoing,knows how to make a good conversation,yet is very smart and is ahead of its time. Proud to have my country represented with her,show the world what we can do girl! VAI BRASIL
Vc percebeu que no final ela disse que não se considera brasileira e que não casaria com um negro? Kkkkk Que grande representação essa eh para não dizer o contrário
@@odisseu5082 po camarada comparada a todos os outros no debate,inclusive um homem negro,ela foi a mais decente. vamos recordar que isso é 1958 pelo amor de deus. considerando a época,logico,ela foi a melhor de todas ali
@@odisseu5082 Ela disse que provavelmente não casaria com um negro por causa do preconceito da sua família Suíça.
@@Rappini_ sim. Concordo que foi a melhor de todas. Mas essa fala final demonstrou como o racismo sempre existiu no Brasil e sempre foi velado. No mais, concordo que o racismo nos EUA e África do Sul foi bem pior que no Brasil. Donald Pierson, sociólogo americano que viveu na Bahia para estudar a relação entre brancos e negros, já havia dito isso na sua tese de doutorado "Pretos e brancos na Bahia" da década de 40
@@odisseu5082 ela nunca disse isso. O que ela disse é que a família dela não é brasileira e ela não casaria com um negro pq a família dela não aprovaria, que é uma razão muito justa pros anos 50...
Eu gostaria muito de saber que cidadã adulta a menina Susi se tornou... Diálogo do século passado... Tremendamente atual... Discussão em alto nível de educação e respeito... Fora a simpatia ao dizer "verdades" .... Seria alguém com quem eu adoraria bater um papo aleatório. Parabéns!
23:57 não casaria com um homem negro... kkkkkk ter um discurso "politicamente correto" não dá autorização para agir diferente. É fácil falar bonito para os outros fazerem enquanto ela própria não faz.
Filha de suíços falando do Brasil como se fosse brasileira... hoje deve estar morando na Suíça, como toda esquerda caviar gosta.
Ela pode até ser viva ainda, tinha 18 anos na época, se ainda viver, teria/tem uns 82 anos.
Segundo comentário... A brasileira é a Suzana Iracema a Rigoleth Cooper, tinha entao 19 anos (nasceu em 14 de julho de 1939, no Rio de Janeiro). Filhas dos (descendentes?) suícos Max Adolf Rigoleth e de Christin e Rigoleth. Ela se formou em USP em 1962 e depois estudou na Universidade de Illinois. Ficou pelos EUA e em 1983 recebeu a nacionalidade americana, perdendo a brasileira. Foi por muitos anos professora de Literatura Comparada. Sua tese de doutorado (1967) é sobre Thomas Mann e Henry James. Ela escreveu alguns artigos científicos pra jornais academicos, mas até onde eu saiba, nao chegou a escrever livro.
Obrigada Abner... Interessante esse caminho que ela percorreu. Fez diferença 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
pela minha pesquisa acredito que ela virou professora de letras em ingles aqui no br, mas não sei se é isso mesmo
I for one think the Brazilian girl killed it I don't think she's lying about the Brazilian social structure. And it's crazy I wouldn't have never thought her answer to be that open-minded wow I have a lot to learn
Unfortunate she was reaaaaally ahead of her time, now more than ever. Even though we are mixed people, there’s this phenomenon around here that people get rich and “get white”. This is notorious with footballers specially neymar. But it reflects the entire society that now it’s showing its face by this big wave of re-election of Bolsonaro. So sad.
She isnt lying, but dont miss understand: BR ppl are more open minded, but we do have here racists ones. They are silent and dissimulated, so you cant spot them so easily.
@@ferreira226 Como assim sínica?
@@ferreira226 Bom, de fato existe, mas é importante levar em consideração a época em que ela viveu e, principalmente, o que ela viu fora do Brasil. Nos EUA, por exemplo, a situação da segregação era muito mais ""impactante"" do que aqui, era um racismo explícito: pessoas eram realmente divididas por raça e a ascendência era vista como algo crucial para determinar a vida de alguém. No Brasil, a situação era diferente por conta da miscigenação. O caso aqui era/é o do "racismo velado", ou seja, aquele que é dificilmente perceptível. A imagem que ela tinha era a de um Brasil plenamente unificado e ela tinha razões para acreditar nisso, mas nós sabemos que a situação do país não é e nunca foi assim.
Enquanto nos Estados Unidos pessoas de cores diferentes não podiam sequer estar próximas umas outras em determinados ambientes, no Brasil era possível ver gente das mais diversas etnias se casando e tendo filhos, formando famílias inteiras que eram extremamente diversificadas (e é importante destacar que isso não é algo comum para a maior parte dos países do exterior). No entanto, isso obviamente não exclui a gravidade dos casos de racismo aqui, de agressões e violência explícita, extrema ou, às vezes, velada. Meu ponto é: são dois cenários MUITO diferentes e, querendo ou não, o que ela viu fora do Brasil era pior, mesmo que ambos os casos fossem/sejam abomináveis.
Enfim, acredito que era a isso que ela estava se referindo a isso no vídeo: casos extremos de segregação (EUA) contra a "união" de um país que tinha famílias muito diversificadas, onde o racismo era velado (Brasil).
@@ferreira226 Não tem como te levar a sério com vc chamando o proprio país de "bostil"
"Minha pele é escura por causa da exposição ao sol" Chorei de tanto rir, o cara tentando justificar que não é negro afim de se sentir superior ali na américa kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Qual parte
@@embuscadoshapeinexplicavel9282 Assiste inteiro ai, o cara é r4cista assim como a Sul Africana, tem várias falas dele nesse sentido.
Isso acontecia na época por causa do Apharteid que a pessoa tentava se fazer de mais clara para conseguir ter o direito de trabalhar, estudar e etc, e isso acabava gerando um tipo de racismo
@@raulcarlos Presta atenção na nacionalidade do indivíduo, comportamento, história e pensamentos dele, ele só está demonstrando o que os membros da tribo dele pensavam nessa época das outras tribos na Etiópia, ele até fala que os membros da tribo dele só tem pele escura por causa do sol, não são negros, vieram do oriente médio diferente dos outros tribais da Etiópia que são negroides, por isso é cômico.
@@leonardofonseca2897 esse sentimento de superioridade racial é muito assustador, vindo de qualquer lado, eu queria muito uma versão 2022 desse video para saber como está o pensamento etíope sobre isso
É muito bom ver que tem brasileiros(as) dando aula desde dos anos 50
Agora só dão aula de como roubar e prostituir em Portugal
Já falavam um monte de merda desde 50
@@GabrielHenrique-ls2ox , Brasileiro fundou a ONU nos anos 40
@@GabrielHenrique-ls2ox merda todo mundo fala, tu tá correndo esse risco agora mesmo
Italia and Brazil latins
Melhor que um debate presidencial. Que nível espetacular!
A "brasileira", brasileiros vendendo o mito da democracia racial no Brasil, desde sempre, idiotas e hipócritas !, disse : Brasil tem racismo como qualquer país, mas nunca teve leis que o aplicava.",TEVE MUITAS, como proibir pretos de estudar, de entrar no país, proibir batuque, candomblé, capoeira, entre varias outras leis, sem contar que crimes brancos tinham penas leves, e pretos penas pesadas pra os mesmos crimes na lei, e pretos já eram penalizados, mesmo sem crime nenhum, só por existir, por isso até hoje brasileiros acham normal policiais matarem pretos aleatórios, sem motivos, incluindo crianças, e ainda defendem , porque essa lei antiga virou cultural.
ate crianca debate melhor que nosso presidiario. quer dizer, presidente
Hahaha dá até uma tristeza com a decadência de hoje
Vou Para O Debate Presidencial Para Melhorar-Lo Então
@@AAH730 a elite so quer decair o nivel. por isso colocaram biden nos estados unidos, o gaga de alzheimer. presidentes sao so marionetes quem manda sao os banqueiros
A brasileira deu uma voadora em todo mundo ai. edit: msm achando que a grta tinha um argumento tipo democracia racial no Brasil, coisa que indubitavelmente ñ é verdade, ainda mais no min 24:06. Mas msm assim, a grta hablou msm e é isto.
Lol they cut off the Italian lady in the beginning when she started calling Americans childish
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣yeah. Its 2021 and Americans have not disappointed her
I wanted to hear finish that line so fucking bad. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I need the original recording asap. Lol
Its the taping not anything on purpose it jumps and skips many times
@@shable1436 yes we know... but we rather think otherwise 😂😂😂
Mussolini!
The Brazilian is smart. She's on a different level with respect to the others
Shes wrong ask any afro Brazilian
Shes not more intelligent, she speaks the English language better that's all.
More fluent doesn’t mean more intelligent
@@Shadowbannddiscourse May I ask you why?
@Ribeiro ol white people like your selves always say blacks "complain" lol . Just so you can practice your willful ignorance to our oppression no matter where we are. The so called "caboclos" ( your casta systerm term) i know identify as black/afro Brazilian. And they see the antiblack racism there to the point when they come here to the states ,they are usually thr strongest advovates against anti black racism here. . If there is any "COMPLAINTS " its because of the legit anti black racism practiced against them. Ans the casta/colorist racial designation theyve been put in under so called "pardos"..Blacks live kn extreme poverty there snd arent treated the greatest and consisfered on the bottom.. Im glad I know people that are considered that who havent fallen for such white supremacists designations./ divisions.. that girl ia pretending blacks have it all equal even there and they didnt - especially at that time.
Esse foi o vídeo mais aleatoriamente interessante que o RUclips me recomendou nos últimos anos. Que grata surpresa. E pensar que algumas décadas depois, a capacidade de debater dos jovens seria reduzida a 200 e poucos caracteres, quase sempre usados para propagar ódio contra quem pensa diferente.
Tive a mesma sensação. Obrigado RUclips pela recomendação!
Uma Discussão De Verdade Tem 3 Caracteres E Um Ponto Final
Se considerarmos que cada país mandou seu melhor estudante para lá, eu diria que foi um péssimo debate
A iltaliana por exemplo, chegou dizendo que os americanos recebeiam uma educação infantil, mas não sabia o mínimo de história
Gente a brasileira Suzie " você é Deus para julgar o que eles podem fazer, onde podem ficar ?" FODA DEMAIS KKKKK muito a frente do tempo dela
@@silisboabeige Ela era uma estudante de família provavelmente abastada e que está num programa de intercambio cultural é obvio que o governo brasileiro iria mandar alguém que tenha estudo para lá. O interessante é o estudo que ela teve aqui no Brasil ter feito ela ter essa mentalidade.
Hoje tem estudantes como ela aos montes também, seria fácil para o governo escolher 1 pessoa assim para um programa desses.
O resto do Brasil nessa época era muito, mas muito mais analfabeto, racista, machista, preconceituoso e ignorante.
@@silisboabeige ressentida.
23:57 não casaria com um homem negro... "muito a frente do tempo dela" kkkkkk
Na verdade ela é uma esquerdinha caviar: prega o politicamente correto só no discurso, mas na prática age diferente.
Como assim a frente do tempo dela? Ela era uma brasileira de seu tempo, e no Brasil, como ela disse, esse negócio de racismo não era tão destacado quando nos outros países.
@@FallenLight0 teoria da conspiração perigosa essa! É o tipo de cousa que alguma pessoa mal intencionada diria pra instigar segregação e luta racial, desconfia de quem te contou. O Brasil não tem leis de segregação desde que a princesa Isabel, maior mulher que já exerceu cargos políticos nesse país, outorgou a Lei Áurea, contra a vontade dos parlamentares e conforme a vontade do povo brasileiro.
A parte "Estadunidense" no Brasil, já que vocês também são americanos... kkkkkk o debate é tão atual quanto parece ser!
E eu achava que esse debate era só interno aqui do br
@@gabrielgrmcp esse debate é completamente imbecil
@@gabrielgrmcp Da América Latina toda. Ninguém da Ibero-América gosta da forma que os EUA tomam pra si o nome Americano e subjulga e apaga a cultura do resto da América que já era América a mais de século antes dos EUA adotar esse nome.
Eu não acho legal esse lance de Estadunidense, podia chamar de Americano mesmo. É quase como uma diferenciação de quem nasceu na cidade de São Paulo e no estado de São Paulo ou quem nasceu na cidade do Rio e no estado do Rio. A dificuldade é que não existem duas palavras diferentes para isso, mas poderia ser algo do tipo Americans and Americanos
@@gabrielcichysilva4033 na verdade quem nasceu no estado de sao paulo são paulistanos, e quem nasceu em uma cidade de sao paulo é paulista
Desculpem a todos, mas a que representou foi a Brasileira, serio, uma moça muito a frente ao seu tempo, conseguiu refutar todos os entrevistados, além de ser muito simpática e divertida. Pq o Etíope, o cara que sofreu do Colonialismo como nós, ainda tenta ser superior (ser do Oriente médio, um povo mais "branco") e do norte (originário do povo de Aksum, diferente dos bárbaros hereges do sul), da África do Sul totalmente sem comentários, e a Itália parecia o Marrone do grupo
N entendi se vc tá falando bem ou mal da Sul Africana
@@psicopato2460 a mina defende o apartheid , não precisa dizer mais nada
@@psicopato2460 mal
Nem culpo muito a Italiana, pois nessa época ainda existia uma escola que encobria a vergonha da segunda guerra mundial, no qual a Itália de Mussolini cometeu varias atrocidades e depois foi massacrada pelos aliados, creio que essa geração foi vitima da grande vergonha da Itália de 13 anos antes!!! Agora a Sul-africana apenas reproduziu aquilo que a sociedade da época ensinava, assim como o Etíope... nossas crianças aprendem aquilo que é nos passados, para que amadureçam e mudem suas visões, precisam sair da caixinha que vivem... o ser humano sempre foi assim... inclusive o "mito da caverna" de Platão retrata de forma indireta a realidade da humanidade... Enfim a Brasileira deu um baile nos demais, queria que nossa sociedade atual, tivessem aprendido com a Brasileira daquela época, talvez nosso mundo seria muito melhor!!!
A Etiópia não foi colonizada por ninguém
A brasileira dando uma aula de humanidade em um tema que ainda é cheio de controvérsias até hoje. Gostaria muito que o Brasil continuasse dando essa aula mundo afora.
Hj em dia preferem brasileiras mostrando a bunda.
Como o Brasil deve ser povoado da raça branca, não se concederão
benefícios de qualidade alguma aos pretos, que queiram vir habitar
no pais. (…) E como havendo mistura da raça preta com a branca,
(…) terá o Brasil, em menos de 100 anos todos os seus habitantes
da raça branca. (…) Havendo casamentos de brancos com
indígenas, acabará a cor cobre; e se quiserem apressar a extinção
das duas raças, estabelecer-se prêmios aos brancos, que se
casarem com pretas, ou indígenas na primeira e segunda geração:
advertindo, que se devem riscar os nomes de “mulato, crioulo,
caboclo” e “indígena”; estes nomes fazem ressentir ódios, e ainda
tem seus ressabiados de escravidão (…) sejam todos ‘Portugueses!”.
-António d’Oliva de Souza Sequeira, “Adição ao projeto para o estabelecimento político do Reino-Unido de Portugal, Brasil e Algarves”, de 1821
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"A população mista do Brasil em 100 anos, terá aspecto branco. A imigração europeia, que aumenta a cada dia e em maior grau o elemento branco desta população, terminará por sufocar os elementos persistentes do traço negro"
-João Baptista de Lacerda, representante do Brasil, no Congresso Universal das raças, defendendo políticas de imigração p/ que a raça negra fosse extinta. (Londres, 1911)
A "brasileira", brasileiros vendendo o mito da democracia racial no Brasil, desde sempre, idiotas e hipócritas !
Vendo muitos elogios a Suzie (brasileira), de fato ela soube expressar muito bem suas ideas, porém um grande contradição quando ela dizer que no brazil não existia discriminação entes brancos e negros, “são todos pessoas” ela disse , entretando ao ser questionado se casaria com um negro, a bbresposta foi rápida e precisa “não”. Contraditório com o pensamento inicial, não ?
@@douglasdomingues8206 Ela quis dizer que não existe "separação", com pessoas puramente brancas e outras puramente negras e vivendo em locais específicos. Pois as duas raças se misturam o tempo todo gerando pessoas mestiças/pardas. Discriminação sim, e foi aí que a menina da África do Sul pegou ela no pulo ao perguntar se ela casaria com um negro.
The Brazilian girl was amazing. I wonder what ever happened to the South African though and whether she changed her views.
Probably no.
8:38 Eu amo o fato de que brasileiro já é debochado desde os anos 50 😂😂😂
A zueira está com a gente desde 1500 ksksks
Desde sempre
O deboche está na alma do brasileiro e a alegria .
Podia fazer um resumo?
Não entendi nada.
I want to learn Spanish
I was going to defend the Ethiopian guy from the comments after watching the first 15 minutes but then things changed pretty quickly after the 16 minute mark. He started off so well and things just went down hill so fast. This was shameful to see.
The South African was lame too. The Brazilian woman was by far the brightest and most intellectual of the group
@Gaske Learsi I wouldn't go that far. Albeit, I do think what you are saying is becoming more of a reality the last few decades. Ethiopians can definitely be ignorant and racist. We are killing ourselves now because of differences in ethnicity. However, I wouldn't say Ethiopians have more of a superiority complex than other groups of people. Ethiopians are people just like other countries. We have many racists and idiots just like you would find in any other region of the world. When you say Ethiopians look up to whites. I must say, don't all other African countries do the same? Last time I checked, anti-blackness is rampant all over Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia. Why single out Ethiopia?
@Gaske Learsi um your full of bullshit? Here in the u.s and when I visit Ethiopia my families both are very kind and say nice things about everybody so I don't know where your getting this. In a matter of fact the only people Ethiopians hate are Egyptians, more specifically Arabs because of the harm they've done to us over the years and the advantage they take over Sudan and other African countries. Please research what you say.
@Gaske Learsi You have a complete misunderstanding of Ethiopians my friend. I saw the video you shared. That was one Ethiopian. He was ignorant to say what he said. Like I said before, there are ignorant and racist Ethiopians. I don't deny that they exist. However, to imply that most Ethiopians are racist or have a superiority complex because of one video, shows me that you have not met many Ethiopians before. Ethiopians have always been proud to be black. Ethiopians can be racist to other ethnicities that are still black because of historical reasons. Like I said, at this moment Ethiopians are killing themselves due to ethnic tension. However, you can find ethnic conflict all over the world, its in the Arab world, Asia, Europe, and even America. I get the feeling you have a personal vendetta against Ethiopia. Possibly, someone Ethiopian did you wrong in the past. Whatever it is, I encourage you to change your views of Ethiopians because we are not what you describe. Not even close.
@Gaske Learsi not all of Ethiopians, specifically the Amhara tribe.
Suzie is probably the most expressive person I’ve seen in these videos. Very well-spoken and polite, but a lot more willing to speak up and call a spade a spade.
Suzie's point is very enlightening. People are just people. Sometimes I feel the old are always more wise and smarter than we are now. Hence the saying, old is gold.
They were wiser because they had more time to think and analyse. With cellphones it is impossible to do so.
Oh, yes. So much wiser. Should we segregate the world again then? Or hide all LGBTQ+ people? Women really should stay to take care of their husbands, right??
I love the Brazilian girl!
She'd comfortably fit into today's society. ❤️
Witty, sarcastic, smart, beautiful... ❤️
So smart and brilliant.
She’s was very progressive, I enjoyed listening to her perspective. She was way ahead of her time.
@Ribeiro How did you guys elect Bolsonaro?
--> Iruo: See at 24:00
That Ethiopian guy got me laughing c'mon he's black bcos the sun! He doesn't seem to understand diversity just like Suzxie said he doesn't want to admit it 😂. The Brazilian girl was really smart and real.
He doesn't understand evolution...
I burst out laughing when he started saying that. I wonder what the level of education was at the time in the schools he studied in. The increase in knowledge humanity has seen from 1958 to today is just so vast.
@@son_guhun I think it's due to the way Ethiopia is different from its neighbors. It was one of the first nations to adopt Christianity and came out of the Scramble for Africa (relatively) unscathed. That could lead to an air of superiority.
@@vicenzostella1390 no it's due to the different tribes in Ethiopia and his tribe think that they're superior to the others
@spotter rook No one is better than anybody. That was me interpreting history and how, if taught a certain way, can lead people toward fanaticism.
Suzie MARAVILHOSA, que orgulho! Ela deve ter uns 82 anos hoje, seria incrível assistir um entrevista com ela hoje em dia.
Ela foi professora de Literatura Anglo-saxônica na FFCL.
@@axpelss voce sabe o nome da Suzie? Adoraria ler algo sobre ela mas nao sei como acha-la na internet. Obrigado :)
@@andreborges9926 Suzana Iracema Rigoleth, licenciada na USP
@Gabriel Fiaux e dai? eu tmb nao casaria com ngra. se ngro se gostar ele ia querer casar com uma ngra, isso é uma escolha pessoal ngm é obrigado a casar com ngm
@@flowrepins6663 , quando você fala que não se casaria como uma negra já deixa claro o seu racismo. Pois, quem não é racista responderia que se casaria com qualquer pessoa desde que amasse a pessoa.
A partir do momento que afirma categoricamente que não se casaria como uma negra já deixa claro o racismo.
The Brazilian girl was so sassy.. loved it... so ahead of her time. Love these videos. Thanks.
Brasil arrasou foi sincera como ela disse "deixar fazer o que quiserem são pessoas" independente da cor nós somos todos iguais
O Brasileiro é povo mestiço, o movimento negro que quer separar o Brasil entre branco é negro, e isso não é possível. Devemos combater as desigualdades sociais e parar de ver tudo pelo invés do racismo.
Como foi dito, a nova colonização foi propícia a miscigenação.
@@pedroalexandre552 acho que o que aconteceu no Brasil foi a surper valorização do branco por muito tempo e não descriminação intistucional ao contrario do que aconteceu na AF e nos EUA que foi realmente uma segregação.
@@atilaohuno1471-_. Super valorização do branco nao é problema, nem do amarelo, nem do vermelho. Além do mais, voce está definindo com cores, coisa que apenas é feito nos EUA (vejo que é um refém dos filmes de hollywood). Desvalorizar o negro que é problema.
@@pedroalexandre552 Qual al parte dessa ''nova colonização'' visando *embranquecer* a população brasileira (eugenia do ESTADO NOVO de Getúlio Vargas) você não entendeu?
Ah, sim, faltou às aulas...ou melhor, nem ensinam isso, não é?
@@THETRUTH-BR não sei super valorização de um significa que outros estão desvalorizando
i am in love with this brazilian girl... "Are you GOD to separate yourself from others? people are people..
Bla bla bla. See her at 24:00.
What an idiotic statement
@@aylinguluzade5962 Well we can't say that she was racist, she only said that her parents wouldn't let her marry a black man, not that she wouldn't be intersted about marrying one, or dating one.
@@aylinguluzade5962 Well, i am not going to marry black woman, because i have my personal specific taste in women, do that make me racist? I doubt it.
@@stephanniesoares8785 why do you talk about racism? That is not the topic of the broadcast.
The Brazilian girl made a Brilliant discourse and passed the best impression about the way to say things like a brazillian vibes, and really friendly.
The Brazilian girl was the break out star on this one!
She lied about discrimination in Brazil though.
@@listenup2882 She didn't lie about discrimination. She said there was not segregation, which there wasn't.
-->JAI: See at 24:00. Terrible.
@@listenup2882 she didn’t!!!!
@@listenup2882 says someone that has never been to Brazil lol
We certainly don’t have a perfect situation in Brazil regarding ethnicity. However we are indeed very mixed and integrated, it’s remarkable that in a discussion in the 50’s, where at least two people are openly supporting segregation and racial discrimination, the Brazilian is the only one openly and strongly opposing the idea.
O meu pai comparou o Brasil e os EUA lindamente:
"O Brasil tem racismo como qualquer país, mas nunca teve leis que o aplicava."
@@vicenzostella1390 Sim, tem racismo e muito.
Há 24 anos atrás quando estava aprendendo inglês em um colégio em Stanford, Ct, ouvi uma outra brasileira falar de como os EUA deveriam ter vergonha de seu passado com a escravatura.
Eu imediatamente disse à ela que nenhum outro país no mundo teve mais escravos do que o Brasil.
Ela me deu um olhar completamente confuso. Eita ignorância!
Infelizmente, a escravatura é uma das mais sérias, injustas e tristes ações contra humanidade, mankind.
Eu sou de descendência européia, africana e ameríndia.
The only way to know for sure if a country has matured racially and ethnically is by looking at its rulling class. Is its political class as diverse as its streets? Is its top 1% as ethnically or racially diverse as its streets?
@@dolphineachonga555 It's still ruled mostly by white old men, but slowly more people from different ethnicities and genders are winning in elections. Brazil has 2 transsexuals on the rulling class, and it's the most catholic country in the entire planet.
@@DicasSobreBurgman This sounds beautiful, but it would only work if our white men in power also saw it that way. Unfortunately, they rule only for themselves, so we need people from minorities there too
For the Italian girl, a bit of historical context. We are in 1958, the Second World War ended 13 years earlier, Italy still carries the aftermath of the Civil War. Yes the partisans against the fascists it was literally a civil war. In politics, communism presses and clashes with the party of Christian democracy. Italy has only been a Republic for 12 years and has only had a new constitution for 10. Italy had been a dictatorship from 1922 to 1943 and an entire generation had grown up knowing only fascism (perfectly the generation of the girl's parents)
The country is rebuilding itself (literally the cities destroyed by bombing), poverty is rampant, the Istrian-Dalmatian exodus (250'000-350'000 people) was ending with an adjoining territorial dispute, mass population flight to the Americas and the Australia to find work) and abandonment of the countryside. The economic boom would only begin that same year. Fascism in homes was a taboo, given by a mixture of shame and also because many were still fascists (yes Mussolini had fallen but the mentality of millions of people does not change with a snap of fingers). Trials against fascists and lynchings were still in progress. And even if many already testified, they wrote books (Primo Levi), museums were opened (Museo al Deportato Carpi) to talk about the Shoah. Only at the end of the 1950s will the very recent history begin to be studied in depth. Precisely for a feeling of fear that could happen again.
And she, as mentioned in the video, is only 18 years old so she would have studied it the following year during the last year of high school.
And remember Italy, the colonies and above all the Ethiopia discourse had lived through the fascist propaganda so it took a few years and even a decade or two before digging deeply and finding all the atrocities committed.
This is very interesting to hear.
The Ethiopian boy tries to shame her for not knowing their history while he doesn’t know himself what her country is going through.
He seems very self centered and without much knowledge of history himself.
Even if the girl doesn't know. The boy have the right to be mad about the Italy itself. We all know Europe in general did a lot of atrocities in Africa, Asia and America. Europe history has a genocide background. So the boy was right to speak his point of view, and the girl should listen and accept that her country did a mess. Even if your country is a mess, you should not stay in ignorance. As Aristóteles said, if you want to be a truly citizen you must not stay in ignorance. The schools, till these days, are controlled by the government point of view, but you must have the audacity to learn things yourself and think independently.
@@intpoha As an Italian myself I'm ashamed of my country, please forgive us for making slavery in Ethiopia illegal. He's right to be mad, nobody would like to see their country becoming industrialized and conditions of living improving.
@@matteobertotti oh, no need to apologise to me. I am not asking that (I am not even Ethiopian) . I am just saying that is important to listen to the others, principally the ones who suffered more
@@intpoha BRUH.
Interessantíssimo o posicionamento da Susie! Amei! Deveríamos ter programas assim aqui no Brasil.
I love how they sat the Italian next to the Ethiopian
I don't know why the Ethiopian kept saying "we" when he was clearly stating his individual opinions and beliefs. To be fair he was clearly just a kid. It was kind of odd when he said "it's none of our concern, we just don't care about it", but Ethiopia did care about the situation in South Africa. Ethiopia actually went so far as to train Nelson Mandela on his journey to end apartheid. There's an article about it by the BBC.
It's true. EMPEROR HAILE SELASSIE I helped educated and trained Nelson Mandela and other upcoming African leaders, at the time. He helped liberated African countries and Africans and other oppressed people in the diaspora. He established the Organization of African Unit, as well as the United Nations.
He is just a prejudiced dumb typical of his era.
@@tashthompson8151 While what you said is true, it is also worthwhile to note that Hailesilassie was a dictator, an absolute monarch who was supported only by his clergy. In his book "My Life and Ethiopia's Progress" he even blames the League of Nations for challenging what he calls his God given right to own slaves.He is the source of prejudice that is reflected on many including on the kid who was in the debate.
How about his point on the superiority of The Amhara race?
@@MIM-er3kf I love learning new things. Heroes who were actually villains in their own ways. Humanity's complexity is so perplexing
i love that brazil girl mind, she speak the truth. others lie a lot to thierself. you don't want others to see you as animal, why you look other like animal? be human be people.
No
Yes
perhaps
Suzy foi incrível,enquanto o etíope e a menina da África do Sul ficaram velando o racismo deles ,a italiana se sentiu desconfortável com as falas do etíope e ficou calada o restante do debate inteiro
You know what's the funny thing here?
The schools the ethiopian boy went to were with high probability built by the italians.
I'm Italian and I know various Ethiopians, who actually look fondly to the side of the italian presence that built their infrastructure.
I'm obviously against fascism (I'm an Italian Jew by the way) and against colonialism, but to deny that colonies were extremely enriched by the various Empires is just delusional.
Also, in the year 2020 his tribe took part in a war that lasted *less than 2 years.*
It was a genocidal war where *civilians and babies* were killed just for being part of "the wrong tribe".
This genocidal war caused the death of approximately 300.000 to 500.000 people.
You know how many Ethiopian *soldiers* died during *6 years* of war?
Less than 200.000.
Which of course its still a lot of people, but once we put them in comparison you realize that they did to themselves a lot worse things, in one third of the time than what fascism did.
And I'm sorry, but nor the Italian girl nor the SA girl said or did anything that resembled racism.
@@magnumopus1628 Você é apenas um preconceituoso tentando justificar seu racismo com um discurso meia boca
@@taolhandooque3122 a Etiópia escraviza pessoas de outras nações africanas em pleno século XXI
@@magnumopus1628 It's no use trying to explain, it just doesn't allow mixed-race Brazilians to enter your country (a friendly advice). It will be the end of your country and then there's no use crying.
Falar que a italiana estava desconfortável é sacanagem. De fato a Itália fascista fez o que o rapaz falou. Isso não retira que o povo dele segrega, mas o grande exemplo da ignorância dessa italiana é o que a Itália volta a viver nos dias de hoje.
Really brilliant. Fascinating to hear these really different national perspectives. Some not surprising, others really unexpected! Don't think you could have such a calm and open discussion of these topics today.
@Renato Bray Bc this is 2022..that was the 1950s..ofc we shouldn't have to have these exact conversations today, you would think there whould be progress after decades
this Ethiopian dude saying he wasn't black probably had them white people laughing in their heads lol
🤣😂😅, Reminds me of a Dave Chapelle Skit
That is his opinion not the option of Ethiopians, he is obviously from the ruling class, who was owning the whole country and being overthrown by the general public.
Ninety percent of all East Africans don't consider themselves black
@@korruptnovellst4751 wrong
@@NoRockinMansLand it's true, whether they will tell it to your face or not. This kid was brave tho I'll give him that
A brasileira é a mais espontânea. Sem dúvida foi a mais sincera . Os outros pareciam ter receio de desapontar os americanos
E claramente a garota italiana se acha muito superior a todos os outros
Por quê?
A pobre garota Italiana ficou constrangida com os ataques do rapaz da Etiópia no começo, e depois disso ela ficou calada o programa inteiro.
@@JoaoVitor-xt5hf Realmente, o Etiópia q parecia se sentir superior por seu ensino comparado a Italiana. N parava de perguntar "Vc n teve isso em suas aulas de história?" E ainda debochou de como comemoravam sua vitória. Uma guerra é lutar pela sobrevivência, n vi orgulho nisto, vi tristeza.
E com razão, ela nn é uma raça ou miscigenada
"Quero dizer, a cor da minha pele é apenas escura devido à exposição solar" KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKLLKKKKKKKKKKKK
Vergonha kkkkk
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O cara se acha branco kkkkkkkkkkkkk
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk rir demais nessa parte.
40 mil anos de exposição solar. Tá bronzeado até o DNA
I 'm italian and in defense of the italian girl that didn't know anything about the italian colonization in Italy and the fascist era I can confirm that it's true that she would studied these things the next year, in Italy we end up school at 19 years old not at 18 like most of the countries do. But yes she obviously didn't have neither a common knowledge about that times that someone should have independently of having studied it
Do you study history in school in Italy?
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC a lot bro
That was pre internet too. Im sure she was more concerned securing a husband than the one time Italy smacked the shit out of Ethiopia.
@@preussianblau5595 Italy smacked the shit out of Ethiopia Lmaoo
@Adu no, the Italians won the second time under the fascists which is why it was the Fascist Italians who abolished slavery in Ethiopia while the Ethiopians themselves kept refusing to do so despite preassure from the league of nations. The fascists are douches and I admire Ethiopian civilization but, history is extremely complicated and avoids simple narratives.
Where are all these beautiful young people who proved that differences of opinion and culture can be discussed and disagreements can occur without "Cancelling" one another. I'm sure each one of these students learnt something important about themselves. It would be great to see them again now in their 80s debating the same topics, and hear how their views have or have not changed and why. Thank you for this brilliant series!
the difference is they were living in extreme regimes that were impacting the lives of people and they were benefitting. A white woman came to America to REPRESENT South Africa. The irony. Today the prejudices are NOT imposed on people they are CHOSEN and that's why there is backlash. Education without spiritual education means people remain in a primitive state of division
Are you God to judge them? Brazilian girl nailed it as always. Girl ahead of her time 💚🙌👏
O debate da Suzie mais inteligente e embasado ha 60 anos atrás do que hoje em dia, em que as pessoas negam e esperneiam para entenderem o básico
The Ethiopian was just hopeless. When he spoke i just rolled my eyes. The only person who had sense was The Brazilian.
17:05 "The colour of my face is dark due to the sun!" I would ask why then is your hair texture "kinky" or "course" like that of a sub-saharan native? He's just idiotic and speaks ridiculously!
@@mugodasimon i felt embarrased for him, imagine claiming to be another race and denying and despising what you obviously are 🤦🏾♂️
The Brazilian had some sense but total ignorant about the racial issues of her country. Preaching to the others to mingle. Like her parents many whites in Brazil still think the same.
Exactly
The South African seemed sweet enough
History is messy. Just like the present, and probably the future. Trust me, if you think you are somehow superior to anyone on this planet, you're not. You likely suffer in some part, from the same general ignorance they do. Try to be good, and realize you don't know as much as you think you do
@Aldiss Derleth You've made very interesting statements. Can you provide a time line, names of kingdoms involved in this supposed 'mass slavery'?
The people who built the pyramids left accounts of their lives and the strikes they engaged in when they didn't receive pay for their work.
Chattel slavery is a product of Europeans and white people alone. People were relegated to mere properties and treated accordingly. This was a perpetual condition where generations to come were born slaves. Nothing of this sort has been seen across the planet. Nothing on this planet matches the brutality of European chattel slavery.
@@quietatse Not true. Tribes were trading slaves before the Dutch ever arrived. Chattel slavery has been a staple of humanity (that means damn near everyone) since time immemorial. Race based slavery however, gained popularity according to written history in the 14th century, largely taken up by Europeans and then Americans, mostly white, with a few outliers. While it may seem different, the idea is the same. Point out the differences in order to dehumanize the enslaved, making it easier on the conscience. Now THAT has always been used in slavery and war. When you dehumanize a group, it becomes easier to treat them as "less than". People are doing this even in modern times, in China with the Uyghers is a good example, and even political based dehumanization in the U.S., and it only leads to bad things, like the slavery you speak of, but also other bad things. It doesn't end well for anyone. It never has.
But if you don't feel like the truth suits your narrative, or it isn't as pretty and clear cut as you'd like it to be, you'll only be hurting yourself, whether you see it or not.
Notice in the video how the Ethiopian is ashamed of being black. That was taught. He literally said he was dark because he lives under the sun. No one should ever be ashamed of who they are, and no one should ever be taught to be ashamed of who they are. Those who push those ideas are not good people, whether they do it with good or bad intentions, it is bad, and it leads to bad things.
@Aldiss Derleth yes I agree with you with the slavery been in Africa for centuries.. But I dont agree on the part where you left out how the western world benefited from slavery. A prime example is the U.S. Trust me the black Americans did not get anything out of the slaves that were coming from Africa. You know why because they were slaves themselves.Meanwhile the American south was profiting from tobacco and cotton using the free labor of African slaves. Sooooo the white world exploited slavery to the tee.
Wise words
I think the Ethiopian kid is not being ashamed of being black. I am from Ethiopia and I am not and don't know any Ethiopian who is ashamed of being black. I think the word black has different meaning at that time where almost all but Ethiopia were colonalized by European or were recent free countries. Probably the kid from Ethiopia didn't fully understood it but at the time the word "black" was seen to mean people that are colonalized by white European not necessarily dark skin color/from Africa. Since Ethiopia has never been colonalized people at that time think they are not black meant they are not colonie. If you see for example the photos of King Menelik that fought the famous war with Italy in Adwa, he has very dark skin.
Come on my Ethiopian brother! We are black, in fact proud and black. Why did he think we weren’t? It’s strange!
I agree with you i am from Ethiopia and we all are black. If you see for example the photos of King Menelik that fought the famous war with Italy in Adwa, he has very dark skin. Probably the kid from Ethiopia doesn't fully understood it but at the time the word "black" was seen to mean people that are colonalized by white European not necessarily dark skin color. Since Ethiopia has never been colonalized people at that time think they are not black meant they are not colonie. I am not saying there is no prejudice against one tribe or region over the other.
There is no such thing as Color because we all have Tribal names , The Color Black was given to us by our Oppressors and our True identity can be Found in the Bible !
@@limayahe363
The Ethiopians know exactly who they are and are able to trace their Roots ! Also they know that being called Black is unnaceptable to them because they know exactly who they are and also know how to trace their Roots without having to do a DNA test and waiting for test Results to come back through the Mail about their True identity !
@Accra Abeba
What Are You even talking About or What does your comment have to do with Mine ?
@Accra Abeba
Actually neither of us are Black according to the definition of the word Black ! Now if anybody accepts being called Black then that's on all of them who chooses to be labeled by a name that was given to them from our Oppressors ! Ethiopia has never been colonized by any European Nation and they know that they truly are from one of the 12 tribes of Israel and they are believers in Christ Jesus !
Goshhh. This is pure gold. That’s 1958, damn!! The way the Brazilian girl manages to foresees apartheid “that’s not gonna work” it’s just gold. Her honesty in her answers , the way she puts them. Omg. Amazing. They were 18. If she’s still around, she’s in her 80s. What brilliant mind from this Brazilian girl. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. I’d really love to see (if she’s alive) how she sees the world of today.
It was working just fine before the world sanctioned South Africa and bribed the NP to hand the government to the communists.
The Brazilian lady is endowed with a photographic memory, has a rare intellect and possesses lots of pizazz.
Photographic memory? How did you arrive at that. As for her having a rare intellect mmm... She's reasonably intelligent.
@@listenup2882 She's very progressive for the time
@@gannielukks1811 liberal clássica.
After reading many of the comments I have to clarify something. You have to watch this video in context. When this video was made, there was no Black Power movement, nor were there any major civil rights initiatives that had occurred. From the Ethiopian kid's perspective, he was identifying as what he is...a Habesha or Ethiopian. A proud royal Ethiopian at that. The identifying of oneself as a racial colour didn't become popular until the mid 1960's during the civil rights movement in the USA, because most black people in America cannot accurately trace their ancestry to a particular nation. This kid could as being a part of the royal family and in current times an ambassador in Ethiopia, he is well aware of who he is. So, his "superiority" complex is pretty much how he was brought up and how many Ethiopians viewed themselves compared to the "fareng" or foreigner, or even to the "bariya" (the subjugated or enslaved) darker East African tribes that his tribe dominated since the fall of the Zagwe dynasty in the 1300's. So, there you have it. He's not hating himself or black people as a whole, as there is no country called "Black", but maybe a bit of jingoistic patriotism and extreme pride due to nationality and history of his country. Not defending this guy, but you have to understand the full context before sounding rabid and unhinged.
---From someone who is of Beta Israel ancestry and knows plenty about Ethiopian history and culture. You're welcome.
See my reply to you above.
Thank you for understanding his point of view. I don’t understand why the world has to be ‘black’ & ‘white’
Finally, someone who gets it.
Arab slavery (700CE -2021) produced this phenotype.
The words he chose was "no Negro blood".
King Solomon and Queen Sheba or some Arab slave trader and a native African girl.
But if a white dude said half the shit he said 🤐
Such different times… Can you imagine having a discussion like that today!? Heads would roll.
True
This was an amazing series. I really wish it would be brought back. I feel like if a youtube channel did something like this now adays it would instantly get so big.
People MUST contextualise the young people on these panels before giving their 21st century opinions. These young people from the 1950s!! gave their honest opinions and defended them rather than speaking for acclaim and likes, if people think that this 21st century generation are going to be looked upon as progressive and forward thinking in years to come you are in for a rude awakening. This idea that people should share opinions that are going to be liked by the audience is why universities no longer have open debates and have 'trigger warnings' for words.
Absolutely. But if you record today's "progressive" views about gender, the family, the nation state, sex, immigration in 100 years (I am sure) people would wonder how people could possibly believe this stuff.
Absolutelly based
People from the future:
Gen Z was so conservative! You can't touch random children!
Finally someone with sense rather than bashing the kids on what they’ve said without any context of the time.
these kids were the best of other debates, so they are not normal young ones to start. Clearly are more capable than standard ones.
it is really a pleasure to hear them talk so politely.
A moça brasileira demonstrando exatamente o que somos! Com leveza e sem tentar ser aquilo que não é, ela fala sobre vários argumentos com naturalidade, domínio e simpatia. Encanta não só por ser super inteligente mas também pela simplicidade que tem nas palavras e no tom de voz. Queria assistir um debate igual a esse com jovens de 18 anos, mesmos países, mas de 2022.
a menina falando q n casaria com um negro pq os pais n aceitariam, e logo dps falando q no brasil n existia racismo kkkkkkkkkkkk e outra dizer: q n exista negro no brasil? e sim mulatos, pessoas com a pele mais clara? oi? ah, sim, meu anjo, cê tá falando sobre a tentativa de embraquecimento q teve aqui no brasil, né? kkkkkkk
Como o Brasil deve ser povoado da raça branca, não se concederão
benefícios de qualidade alguma aos pretos, que queiram vir habitar
no pais. (…) E como havendo mistura da raça preta com a branca,
(…) terá o Brasil, em menos de 100 anos todos os seus habitantes
da raça branca. (…) Havendo casamentos de brancos com
indígenas, acabará a cor cobre; e se quiserem apressar a extinção
das duas raças, estabelecer-se prêmios aos brancos, que se
casarem com pretas, ou indígenas na primeira e segunda geração:
advertindo, que se devem riscar os nomes de “mulato, crioulo,
caboclo” e “indígena”; estes nomes fazem ressentir ódios, e ainda
tem seus ressabiados de escravidão (…) sejam todos ‘Portugueses!”.
-António d’Oliva de Souza Sequeira, “Adição ao projeto para o estabelecimento político do Reino-Unido de Portugal, Brasil e Algarves”, de 1821
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"A população mista do Brasil em 100 anos, terá aspecto branco. A imigração europeia, que aumenta a cada dia e em maior grau o elemento branco desta população, terminará por sufocar os elementos persistentes do traço negro"
-João Baptista de Lacerda, representante do Brasil, no Congresso Universal das raças, defendendo políticas de imigração p/ que a raça negra fosse extinta. (Londres, 1911)
o racismo à brasileira é assim mesmo. povo é sonso. Adoram essa visão fantasiosa de Gilberto freire como se aqui fosse o país da democracia racial.
Kkk bonito na teoria , mas na prática foi rápida ao dizer que não casaria com negro , e aposto que é a típica branca que se tiver em lugar onde tem muitos negros, pobres e nordestinos é a primeira a reclamar.
@@fabiolopes5700 exatamente. A sul africana expôs a hipocrisia da suzie sem dó. Kkkkk ela se enrolou toda tentando se justificar. No Brasil tem muitas "suzies"
Muito interessante este programa! Os adolescente sabendo conversar, cada um com suas experiências e pontos de vista diferentes, mas com muito respeito e educação.
Tenta imaginar um debate com os jovens de hoje
Entire discussion was fascinating. Hats off to the host as well, she's marvelous in all of these! She seems so open-minded, and is a great moderator. It was so refreshing to hear some of the things Suzie said, especially from Jim Crow 1958. Would love a follow-up for where everyone ended up (including the host).
Engraçado que a apresentadora interrompe a conversa e finaliza a entrevista justamente na hora em que a Suzie toca na ferida da discriminação racial na África do Sul, pois é a mesma discriminação que ocorria no seu país na época. Parabéns a Suzie, que estava a frente do seu tempo e pela coragem de falar abertamente sobre um tema polêmico na época. Apesar do erro dela dizer que não havia discriminação racial no Brasil.
Eu acho que ela quis dizer num âmbito mais jurídico, não existia nenhuma lei como o apartheid aqui
Eu entendi como querendo dizer que não havia *segregação.* E realmente não teve: Não tivemos um apartheid ou as leis Jim Crow por aqui.
@@MedK001 Como o Brasil deve ser povoado da raça branca, não se concederão
benefícios de qualidade alguma aos pretos, que queiram vir habitar
no pais. (…) E como havendo mistura da raça preta com a branca,
(…) terá o Brasil, em menos de 100 anos todos os seus habitantes
da raça branca. (…) Havendo casamentos de brancos com
indígenas, acabará a cor cobre; e se quiserem apressar a extinção
das duas raças, estabelecer-se prêmios aos brancos, que se
casarem com pretas, ou indígenas na primeira e segunda geração:
advertindo, que se devem riscar os nomes de “mulato, crioulo,
caboclo” e “indígena”; estes nomes fazem ressentir ódios, e ainda
tem seus ressabiados de escravidão (…) sejam todos ‘Portugueses!”.
-António d’Oliva de Souza Sequeira, “Adição ao projeto para o estabelecimento político do Reino-Unido de Portugal, Brasil e Algarves”, de 1821
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"A população mista do Brasil em 100 anos, terá aspecto branco. A imigração europeia, que aumenta a cada dia e em maior grau o elemento branco desta população, terminará por sufocar os elementos persistentes do traço negro"
-João Baptista de Lacerda, representante do Brasil, no Congresso Universal das raças, defendendo políticas de imigração p/ que a raça negra fosse extinta. (Londres, 1911)
@@fernandodiniz6029 Sim, isso aí é a política do branqueamento, que é extremamente racista. Mas onde que branqueamento é o mesmo que segregação e apartheid? Ninguém disse que o Brasil não era racista, dissemos que não houve *segregação* imposta. O branqueamento é quase o oposto de segregação.
Ela mesma diz que por parte dela é racista em não querer casar com um negro kkkk
Mas brasileiros puros, pelo contrário, casariam sim.
Orgulho de vc brasileira✨✨✨ representou a nação 💚💛
Infelizmente, n completamente... hj o ódio ao diferente, às minorias é grande. Se ela representasse a população, não haveria uma figura asquerosa (preconceituoso) como Bolsonero.
Onde ela vive agora
@@luizbezerrabezerra5029 💀
Fiquei totalmente orgulhoso da Brasileira "pessoas são pessoas"... fico a imaginar se no mundo inteiro desde aquela época 1958 onde a comunicação era quase nula (a não ser de negócios), a tecnologia era básica e o ensino não era para todos tivessem uma visão mais atual, talvez o preconceito e as atrocidades de diversas coisas poderia ter sido evitadas... fiquei pasmo com a naturalidade e sensatez da Brasileira
😂😂😂😂😂
A gente lia livros né
@@dsmusicarts ?
Ela é professora de literaturas em uma Universidade dos EUA, não se sabe se ainds está viva!
@@TheRamile Obrigado pela informação... hoje ela teria mais de 80 anos, espero que ela esteja bem!!!
Gente, que interessante! Final da década de 50 e jovens de diferentes países, colocados lada a lado, falando e opinando sobre as diferenças étnicas de seus países, impressões e opiniões sobre os países dos jovens representados sem levantar os tons das vozes, as perguntas eram feitas e respondidas VERDADEIRAMENTE, sem constrangimento de usar o pensamento e sem medo de usar as palavras para não "atingir" o " políticamente correto. Interessante para análise do discurso e a sinceridade da ocasião.
I would love to learn more about what happened to that Brazilian girl. She was great!
Eu também, vou tentar pesquisar sobre ela e ver se encontro algo sobre...
Não consegui achar nada a respeito dela... Se alguém conseguir nos avise, por favor
@@lucascosta441 procurei tb e nada...Como em 1958 ela tinha 18 anos hj se ainda viva tem 82 anos...tlvz foi pra Suíça, terra dos pais dela.
@@eduardosantos5078 não teria pq ela fazer isso
@@yeyosilver7067 ela ñ mas os pais sim...lembre q ela era ainda dependente dos pais e suponhamos q eles voltaram pra Suíça...ela teria q ir junto tb....mas só são hipóteses pois ñ encontrei nada sobre ela q ficasse registrado nas redes....tmj
The Ethiopian boy is young, which means most of his perspectives are from his elders in Ethiopia
@@mekonengetachew6045 "his racial group" Lol you can't blame a whole ethnicity for the actions of a few.
The Brazilian girl was way ahead of them
These days shed have to be an off duty officer. That is if she bothered to continue living in Brazil.
Lol ahead of her time. LOL. I hate that it's considered progressive.
@@davyjones611 Brazilian girl here... for real, WHAT is a duty officer? I've never heard of this thing in my entire life
@@raquelcampelo1493 off duty officer just means an officer who isn’t on the job at the moment.
Nah, it's just that Brazil was in a very different context than the US or Africa. We didn't have apartheid-style segregation so supporting something like that would be much crazier as a Brazilian than for the others
Congratulations to all 4 participants who showed great debating skills. All of them semmed open to listening the others. Besides the great contributions of Suzie, their diplomacy is what we need the most nowadays.
And how great is to have access to this today so easily?
As a Eritrean I feel bad for the Ethiopian boy. Clearly he was a bright kid but so brainwashed that he wasn’t even comfortable in his own skin. A lot of black people were like that felt like it was curse to be black
No let’s be honest lots of Ethiopian think this way till this day!
same here.. :/
Brasileira tá de parabéns 💘
I will contextualize the Brazilian girl. She was amazing.
At the beginning of the video, when she says that the North Americans tried to colonize Brazil, she refers to the fact that at the beginning of the 20th century, all Brazilian infrastructure was built by the Americans, who replaced the English who had been here since the 19th century. So Brazilians had this feeling of being exploited by the Americans. Some backward people still think this way conveniently to justify anti-capitalist ideologies.
The view that Americans felt superior when visiting Brazil is that Brazilians have always been very informal in interpersonal relationships, and Americans have always been more reserved.
In Brazil there was never racial segregation after the end of slavery. What still exists is a separation between socioeconomic classes. Blacks gained financial independence very late, the vast majority stayed in the lowest economic class or in poverty, and this still persists to this day.
But the fact is that here in Brazil, if you dress up in expensive clothes and pretend to be a railroad heir, you can have dinner in Titanic's first class for one night without any problems, before going back to third class, no matter the skin color.
Just saying that there are many whites and mixed race living in favelas or poorer areas. It's not about skin color.
Exatamente. O Brasil, infelizmente, tem racismo como qualquer país no mundo, mas nunca teve leis que impondavam-o.
My mother's past boss (who became our friend) is a black man born in a rich black family and during a party we heard his friend saying some weird shit like "pra um negro, até que você tá bem" (for a black person, you're pretty well off) and he told us he'd heard worse things, but at work no one questioned his authority (the guys were even afraid of him so they usually sent my mom to tell him stuff lol he became even angrier) so... I forgot what my point was, but racism in Brazil is weird
Not true. Brazil was the latest country in the Americas to abolish slavery. And it only happened because pressure of other countries that have already eliminated slavery earlier. In Brazil, landlords, descendants of nobles who had relations with the Portuguese crown before and after the Republican era have always dominated the country's economy and politics. For economic reasons, there were no longer conditions to keep slaves as such. To do so, they created bizarre laws such as the "law of the free womb" (which slave was actually free?) or the "law of the sexagenarian" (as if slaves subjected to forced labor at the time had such a life expectancy). After abolition in 1888, slaves were simply left to fend for themselves, having day and night. They had no land, no inheritance, no education, since they were forbidden to study. The fact that we have an immense majority of blacks in the favelas and prisons is the purest reflection of this veiled "apartheid" that Brazil still carries today. Even more so in a country that received a good portion of Italian, German, Japanese immigrants (refugees from the first and second world wars), who received large portions of land in the states of the South and Southeast of Brazil, an absurdly different situation from that of enslaved Africans, many of them still perpetuating the racism in Brazil, in a hypocritical and veiled way. Including those who use fallacious arguments as if the problem of blacks in Brazil was only of economic origin.
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Susie if you are still amongst us, I just want to say how in love I am with the person you were back then. I truly hope you had the best life possible! 🙏🙏🙏
Ela foi professora na USP.
@@victorgaldi2797 ela tá viva ainda? E qual é o nome dela?
I'm ashamed and frozen by listening to my ignorant kid from Ethiopia. By comparing his talk and what Ethiopian really look like, I hope anybody outside can determine how much the past emperors have treated other ethnicity in Ethiopian land- cleansing theirs culture, language and identity...
We, Ethiopian are black and we always proud of ourselves.
Omg it was horrible hearing say he wasn’t back. 😮
@@r.pinheiro549 Self- hatred Racism
@@r.pinheiro549 he wasn't black actually. Neither a the majority of people living in Ethiopia at that time. He lied about the color of his skin, it's true. But, he probably did for assuring his condition in a more emphatical manner. Amhara are not blacks.
You are so handsome Dula, damn!
@@Neomalthusiano amhara are blacks, lol
Sou professor de inglês e fiquei tão surpreso quanto feliz em encontrar esse vídeo! Vou utilziar em aula, com certeza!
Eu ainda sou um aluno, mas tô com a intenção de recomendar esse vídeo pra minha professora de inglês também kkkkk
Honestly not surprised that the representatives from South Africa and Italy had thick skulls but the Ethiopian, my god, thickest skull amongst them. Well done to Brazil for sending someone who is conscious of what life was actually like
Esse debate nunca aconteceria hoje em dia com esse nível de franqueza, educação e com temas tão delicados. A prova que, em muitos aspectos, regredimos.
Sim, batemos o record de burrice. Atingimos a meta e agora dobraremos a meta com a geração tiktok kkk
Eu pensei a mesma coisa.
When you think your superior while others are inferior due to their ignorance is ignorance at it finest. #thatpart
He's not a native English speaker, so I'll cut him some slack, but I do understand the point he is trying to get across.
Suzie arrasou com todos kkkkk Maravilhosa
Cale-se, branquelo
Arrasou? Ela começa dizendo que pessoas são apenas pessoas e que no Brasil não existia discriminação. O que era e continua sendo uma grande mentira. Quando questionada sobre se casar com negro ela argumenta não porque não é brasileira de "verdade" pois os pais são suíços!!!
Ou seja, a mesma mentalidade da elite do atraso que ainda permeia o Brasil até hoje. A elite econômica do país e uma certa classe média de desmiolados odeiam o país.
The Brazilian girl is a modern day of intellectual integration art. I admires her intelligence and honesty ☺
No way! See her at 24:00. Two-faced.
brazilian racial democracy is a myth that has been proven to be false, but in brazil racism is of another race (look at the pun) in south africa and in the united states racism was institutional it was no different because although we are a mestizo country the white was the one who had the money and power and for that reason being white was highly valued and because blacks were introduced into brazil as slaves, being black was being despised even though he heard marriages between blacks and whites, mainly from the poorest families. well not wanting to put a stop to racism but it's good to understand the context to understand the characters and well it was at the end of the 1950s if I'm not mistaken and being white with straight hair and blue eyes was super valued in Brazil at that period as well as in the period the acceptance of the family was something very important for Brazilians especially in the 1950s and 1960s what I'm trying to say is that what she said was not a good thing but it's understandable, I'll give you two examples of a situation I saw and another one that I lived with an aunt of mine when she got married, her mother-in-law didn't like her because my aunt was from a poor background and that's why she didn't accept her marriage with her son and that was back in the 80's or so it was a class prejudice (in Brazil it's still strong), since I lived when I was on the bus with another aunt and on the bus there was a black girl with dreed hair and I told my aunt that I found her hair of this beautiful girl ma only she disagreed and she didn't like it because she was born in the late 1950s, that is, the appreciation of the white style with straight hair was fashionable in Brazil until the early 2000s and haircuts in Brazil valuing the black/brown public in brazil it only gained strength from 2010 onwards and before that the absolute majority of magazines and advertisements showed mainly white people with straight hair today there is a greater diversity in advertisements than before.
@@atilaohuno1471-_. wrong...
Of course you do Jew.
@@aylinguluzade5962 Wow, man! How boring you are! Are you going in all the comments to mark that sentence she said?
She stressed that she is the daughter of Swiss, and that her parents would not accept it. But she was the one to defend the other side.
a cara da suzie escutando a outra falando sobre segregação kkkkkkkkkk a cara de " nao to escutando isso!"
- Entrevistadora: Suzie, vc se casaria com uma pessoa negra?
- Suzie: Nunca! 😂
@@Anonimous279 bom, pelo visto você não assistiu todo o vídeo, porque quem fez a pergunta foi a garota da África do Sul e segundo que a Suzie explica o porquê de uma forma objetiva que -para refrescar sua memória- não se casaria com um negro porque os seus pais que são suíços não aprovariam o casamento, e espero que vc saiba que naquela época essa questão de casamento entre brancos e negros ou qualquer coisa desigual era vista como um tabu e uma coisa alarmante para época, tenha um ótimo dia!
@@emily25at Pois é! Eu achei excelente da parte dela que, quando ela disse isso, a sul-africana falou "E você não acha que isso é um tipo de discriminação?" e depois a brasileira *concordou.*
@@Anonimous279 kkkkk expôs a hipocrisia da Suzi. E os brasileiros pardos aqui dos comentários achando que ela lacrou no debate
@@gairplane é ingenuidade achar que em 1950 uma garota rica r branca de família e cultura européia falar que se casaria com um negro. Ela foi até sincera e admitiu que não o faria pelos pais. Dada as devidas proporções ela tem um pensamento bem "progressista" sim para os molder da época....cara, anos 50
I watch & listen not so much to judge them individually, but to understand the different perspectives of the time. Very proud of all of them!!!
These videos are a fascinating insight into societal issues of the 1950s
this video brought me back from the time I was a foreigner exchange student in the US from Brazil (2014). even though it wasn’t that long ago as this video, I vividly remember having conversations like this, with americans and fellow exchange students, it’s sad to see that the mentality regarding race hasn’t evolved much since
Béatrice, i think Brazil's segregation and racism is very much similar to 1950 america. and especially in light of the the Elisabetti marrron and the very young comedian that old white woman abused racially simply for being black in a space she thinks is hers . I came across plenty of Brazilian exchange students and they always come from the crop of Southern WASP Brazilians . it doesn't surprise me that Brazil has 0.1% of black people on TV but 99,99% of fairly white looking latino looking or white looking on tv.
@@PHlophe I don't mean to derail but you do realize that WASP means "white anglo saxon protestant"? WASP is an USAmerican term for a reason, the demographic you're trying to reffer to is neither anglo saxon nor protestant. Just say white.
No dude, you don't know anything about Brazil, you are just being a racist judging a country you will never understand
@@PHlophe No, racism in Brazil is nothing similar, not at all, to 1950 US. It absolutely isn't.
Eu amo o fato de adolescente sempre ter sido adolescente, ter a essência de adolescente não importa a época, não importa a época, é impossível olhar essa jovem inteligente e falar que é uma adulta
A brasileira fala o inglês muito forte palmas para nossa compatriota hahaha que inglês impressionante
Imagina como era aprender isso sem a internet, só com livro e muita sorte kkk
@@CaioFran sim muita dedicação é oque nós falta hoje em dia
@@gabitrielgaby Não diria que ela estudou pra isso, nitidamente ela nasceu em uma família privilegiada onde tinha contato com a língua desde muito cedo (ela mesma disse ter participado de um "retiro americano" no Rio além de ter pais suíços), acredito que os outros da mesma bancada tiveram esse mesmo privilégio tbm, nasceram com alguma influência de países com a língua inglesa, a julgar pela dificuldade que era aprender diferentes línguas naquela época
@@Lu-dm7rn ainda assim ela teve que estudar.
A "brasileira", brasileiros vendendo o mito da democracia racial no Brasil, desde sempre, idiotas e hipócritas !, disse : Brasil tem racismo como qualquer país, mas nunca teve leis que o aplicava.",TEVE MUITAS, como proibir pretos de estudar, de entrar no país, proibir batuque, candomblé, capoeira, entre varias outras leis, sem contar que crimes brancos tinham penas leves, e pretos penas pesadas pra os mesmos crimes na lei, e pretos já eram penalizados, mesmo sem crime nenhum, só por existir, por isso até hoje brasileiros acham normal policiais matarem pretos aleatórios, sem motivos, incluindo crianças, e ainda defendem , porque essa lei antiga virou cultural.
I must applaud the lady the host of the show talking about these issues at that point in time when there was still discrimination apartheid and probably segregation going on was brave. I applaud her television program.
26:01 : "WHO DID THE HEAVY WORK?" - the question is still echoing...
We were well represented in this show lol... The Brazilian girl was something else... Brazilians never go down without a fight lol
The ignorance the Ethiopian students that have attended these debates really exposed the mindset of Ethiopians. I really hope this mindset has changed.
As an Ethiopian... I just wana say "My ethiopian guy is wrong", but from that year perspective, he is right. for sure if he got leaving with us, he wouldn't say it again.
Just history!
I think our brother was just a spoiled dummy one, look at our sister here speaking for all african people. ruclips.net/video/3mQWsoI9eaQ/видео.html
What he is trying to say with his limited English language confuses us Ethiopians until today, with the words " Black" "Nigro" "Barria" "Slave" ... my skin color back in Ethiopia use to be called "Yessew Melk" "Human color" not black but here in North America, I am called black, it's funny I never consider my selves as a black ever before and I don't think in the future either.
I am glad to see your comment from 🇳🇬👍
@@tedberd well, from here on allow yourself to be called TEBEDA BETEBABU,.
@@abebabekele5191 K!...ተሳድበህ ሞተሀል..
I have seen two of Ethiopians representative in these debates... Gosh they really seem Lost and delusional from the heat they believe have blackened them... ...
I am dead. What did they do to my boy lol
There is a 3rd one they are all interesting to say the least. Smh
these kids are probably from the Ethiopian emperial family. they are the ones that claim their roots came from Jewish. but most Ethiopians are proud Africans and they faught for the independence of many African countries.
Yeah being from East Africa I can imagine after Emperor Haile Selassie was seeing this was like "This isn't going to go over well with the rest of Africa, ok OAU head quarters is going to be in Addis Ababa , Ethiopia, enough with this nonsense!".
Very delusional indeed!
For that age, the Brazilian girl was so brilliant, brave to answer and ask the right questions, and she had visionary opinions, I'm so proud of her she took this conversation objectively as everyone was defending the ideas they've learnt from their school and society. Also I hope Rina changed her views now, unfortunately even with the end of Apartheid, south Africa is still suffering from racism, segregation and discrimination towards both black and white poor communities. As Suzie said, people are people, the past wars, slavery and genocides have set them apart and feuled each with hate. The indigenous and native people, deserve total freedom and ownership on their lands and for their history to be recognised, I felt what Yuma was trying to explain, colonial history must be importantly taught.
At that time, my country Algeria was fighting for its independence, no matter how much the French government recognise it and they pay honorable apology, I think history class on my country should also recognise the Algerian domination over the white sea before 1830, the forced taxes and exploitation over economical trades, the slavery and political conflicts, it's all important to learn. What I'm trying to say, there is no good guy and bad guy in human history, if we keep praising the good side and never learn from our mistakes we would never find a path to correct them.