BMW F87 M2 Competition on the Dyno
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2018
- Thanks to MMR Performance for lending us their M2 Competition Demo car for Eventuri Development.
As part of the Eventuri development the M2 Competition is run on the dyno, stock and with various prototypes. We took the chance to give you a look at the M2 Competition and what power it is making stock, along with comparing it to its S55 sharing brother the F8x M3/M4, and the standard M2 with the N55 engine, in stock and Stage 1 tuned form.
**The video shows a prototype Eventuri system fitted, but the runs were done with stock airboxes. The car is also fitted with Bilstein Clubsport suspension and MMR DCT Paddles.
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Nice and useful info! many thanks... M2 CP looks like great choice in one year time or next summer get one "used" with 20-25% off and 2-3 t miles
@@dmitryp8617 yes absolutely will be very good value
Evolve Automotive no problem guys :-)
Hi Evolve Automotive it would be great to see the M2CS Dyno Vs. that M2 Comp graph to see what the CS really makes. Seems to be a lot more punchy than stated.
Thanks for being so quick at getting this video up...
Can't wait to the video of it tuned... :)
We'll see if we can get it back once it's tuned! MMR will be doing that with their own software.
2:18 love how you synced the the car locking in with the music
Matt's got skills
Great video Imran, thank you. There have been mentions of this new M2 making up to 450hp so I was surprised at your result even yours is actually a realistic number close to the quoted figure. cheers.
Thanks Stu. Not sure where that figure comes from. Mostly likely a DynoJet figure as they read high.
Feel like I’m cheating on my golf R when I watch these vids 😂
I'm sure she doesn't mind lol
Evolve Automotive 🤦🏽♂️😂
Same lol, I'm looking at the M2 to replace my R someday..maybe..I don't want to move on!
Brian Curry lol I’m sure it’s not Normal too feel this way about cars 🤦🏽♂️😂
I feel like I'm cheating on my M4...
Man, very informative and interesting video. Keep them coming.
Thank you Juan! Lots more planned
i really love that you guys are putting out objective informative videos rather than speculation or subjection. Awesome channel
Thanks appreciate the comment 🙏
Please make your M2C review loooooong! Love your work 👍
Thanks! Will try and give a good run down of it ✌️
Really interesting video guys, I was told by an owner in the US his M2C was pushing out just over 440bhp, I took that as gospal and used those figures in my review. Since I've been hearing exactly what you discovered. Looking forward to getting mine, hopefully unlock that initial power restriction asap. Cheers and keep up the good work!
Thank you Joe. The issue with the US is that they use Dynojet machines over there and they read higher than most other dynos. Usually by about 11-15% which would explain the 44-450 BHP figure they are talking about. Enjoyed your video too. We need to collaborate on one :-)
Ahh that makes perfect sense! I know now haha :-)
yeh there is NOWAY they are making 440hp in reality lol. They would be running 120+mph trap speeds. No chance
US dyno always read about 8 to 10% higher than in Australia/UK. It seems to be a calibration and equipment issue that is accepted over there. Hence the dynojet comment above. The issue is so consistent that we call it "American hp" when discussing tuned or dynoed cars. A very well known issue in the Evo, Subaru, Skyline communities.
Could it be that his M2C had an aftermarket tune on it? Here in Canada, the M4C is listed at 444bhp, and since both cars use the S55 engine, i dont imagine it would be too difficult to get the M2C up to 440
Nice. Keep em coming! Really interesting, informative videos. Thank you!
Cheers! We have weekly uploads so subscribe and turn on notifications 😁
So basically the M2 competition will easily make 800+hp with bolt ons and a big turbo, absolute beast car.
Same with m3/m4
Epic video, direct informative and spot on. Thanks man.
Cheers Sami
Thank you for this comparison video. These cars are amazing. Subscribed, with notifications on.
Thank you for watching ✌️
Cracking comparison! Thanks
Great info! I love this channel!
Cheers man!
Soundtrack is on point. Nice job! 👍
Thank you!
Always sweet vids from Evolve. Gotta drop by and check out the shop if I’m ever in the UK!
Always welcome
Really interesting to see the comparisons side by side.
Cheers Shane 👍
Very informative as always. 👌🎩
Thank you. ✌️
Really nice cinematography guys from 0:50. Really liked this video.
I asked my local garage for a test drive, but no cars to test drive. They'll happily take my money for an order though!
Some dealers have demo cars so try and find one that has.
Nice and clear! Thanks
Cheers ✌️
Another great video 😬
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Fantastic vid very interesting 👍
Cheers !
Very nice video...keep doing!
Amazing video and explanations
Thanks!
Excellent analysis! I've got a customer with a brand new competition, I've just shared this with him. The Eventuri intake will be very interesting along with a remap and downpipes.
Cheers Roberto!
See you in a few days in LV
@@Gardus82 yes! Message me regarding the address for our display villa 👌
Awesome 😎
U make a great teacher 👊🏾😎
Great video
Cheers!
410 bhp as I like to round off that figure is usable power and more than enough for some people. I would happily settle for a stage 1 on the Competition. I have ordered mine by the way for March delivery. keep up the great work Imran.
Thanks. Stage 1 would be more than enough
Nice video guys 👌
Thanks!
Love the channel Imran
Thanks Steve. ✌️
Black m2 comp😍
It's a beautiful car
Great analysis, shared!
Would be great to see M2 competition dyno graph with m3/m4 CS and GTS mapping
We will do that as soon as the opportunity arises.
really good video thank you
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Hi, I have my M2C in order for next year. I’m in two minds to get it mapped so soon as I’m aware it could void the warranty. If I were to get it remapped would you advise making any other changes to the car so the extra power doesn’t put any unnecessary stress on OEM parts such as suspension, etc? Cheers.
The kidneys on the new M2C have always been very off-putting to me as an '18 LCi owner...but seeing these on a black M2C for the first time has really changed my mind. The car looks AMAZING in Black Sapphire Metallic! Great vid guys!
Black always helps! Glad you're enjoying the video. Check out some of our other ones
I like you videos, very informative. Could you start mentioning what the cars make at the wheels, and also driveline losses in the videos, it all helps add to the picture. Thanks.
Thanks. Dynos are only good for comparisons. Manufacturer quote crank figures so to save confusing people that's what we use.
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Interesting note about the traction in the earlier S55's. I have a 2016 S55 (F80 M3) and that is exactly the reason I have not updated to the latest ILevel version for the S55. The newer mapping feels too tame and I love the violent feeling I have in my car right now :) That said, awesome video guys. Am considering the M2C as a possible replacement for the F80 in 2 years but I just can't get over how much better the M3 looks :) Cheers.
The M2 is more fun in our opinion but every one likes different things. And thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video
Hi Imran, any experience on what F85 X5M are making from stock on the dynos, I have heard big fluctuations?
Interesting video.
Cheers Del
Nice video , thanks for the info!
That is coilover or springs mounted ? what´s your feedback ?
Thanks
The M2C has Bilstein Club Sport. Haven't driven the car properly yet will do tomorrow
Brilliant video, when is the next F56 Video coming out?!
Thanks Ibrahim. F56 video coming in 2 weeks with the Eventuri install.
Good comparison between the S55s. Since I am very much interested in the durability of the powertrain I wonder how easy it is to unrestrict the stock M2C so you get to the power level of the stock M4C? As far as I understood it is only the 5000+ rpm area to be modified.
Cinematic are excellent
Thanks!
good video! especially the comparison between similar models. not a lot of people upload dyno contents.
Thanks! We thought it would make for some interesting content. 👍
@@EvolveAutomotive can you all make a similar video for Lotus Evora 400, GT410 and GT430? curious to see how these stack up against the M2 comp
We'd need to get all those cars in to dyno. Where the graphs shown for the other cars are customer cars we have tuned in the past. Being a BMW specialist we have a huge backlog of dyno data for most models, but very little non BMW.
@@EvolveAutomotive my bad, just saw your channel, didnt know you guys are a bmw specialist. good video anyway :)
Really interesting vid guys. Had my stock RS3 on the Dyno over the weekend and it done 406BHP and 412lbs/ft torque. Love the M2 Comp. As you say. Heavily de tuned by BMW not to tread on the M3 and M4’s toes.👍👍
What a classy workshop ,equally classy videography’s and productions. Just Take my money! 😆
Glad you enjoy them. :-) Always happy to accept currency.
(Do you accept Wirral Pounds£ ? Lol)
Great video, curious to know what the stock N55 engine makes on the dyno?
Good to know.
Awesome video and comparison, and that’s why I have a stage 2 on my M2 LCI..... enough power with the best sounding engine !! Reliability on the N55 is awesome and strong with the S55 intervals !!
S55 is a tuners dream and fantastic as well. Just unsure if after a tune the chassis will endure a currently wonderful drive. :)
Yes the sound is great. There maybe a point where the power gets too much for the wonderful chassis and the amount of grip available from the rear as it is not possible to fit much wider tyres on the M2 like you can on the M3./4.
I have 453bhp on original m2 and in anything but perfect conditions it can't be driven hard
paul williams what mods and fuel for to get that power?
Wagner 200cell
M performance exaust
Csf intercooler
Dv+
Ftp charge,boost ,inlet pipes
X extreme di hpfp
Ngk laser plugs
Afe panel filter
Custom remap
Gts dct tune
Its run on shell V power 99ron
It would of been over 460 but I was having throttle cut off due to traction but it got 550ft lb of tourqe
thank you for that comprehensive dyno...No one has talked about lap times of this m2 competition i bet this car is more capable and far more potent than the m3-m4 competition around the ring...
what are your thoughts???
We own a M3 Comp. For sure the M2 is more fun and wouldn't be surprised if it can lap quicker.
Maybe better of with the n55 as the crankhub on s55 is problematic correct? Or did bmw fix the problem with the m2 comp?
Please tell me where you got that spoiler for the OG M2! That's exactly the size and profile I'm looking for to go on mine and I'm either finding bigger tail lips or massive picnic table spoilers!
Love the video guys, thanks. A question you might be able to answer; if it produced 409HP at the wheels, does that mean the engine HP is higher? Thanks in advance.
To the wheels means that the engine hp alone is higher since it has to go through flywheel or transmission and other losses. Usually like a little over 5ish % loss from crank to the wheels
Will be nice to put the m2 comp on the ramp and see any other modifications that they made to the car .
We will try and do that
Very informative. What does the Butt dyno tell you?
I'm yet to drive it properly, filming an initial impressions review/comparison video tomorrow, look out for that in the future for my thoughts on how it behaves on the road.
Please confirm that these are numbers at the wheels - correct? In Aus, the figure by BMW quoted is around 410 HP, but that's at the flywheel. So allowing for drivetrain losses the car would be making around 450 HP (around 330-340) at the flywheel??
Flywheel figures
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Are the dyno numbers shown corrected to show crank numbers? If so what kinda numbers can be expected at the wheels?
Yes calculated crank figures. Take around 12% off for wheel power
Thank you! Do you have any thoughts on the new Supra? It's my understanding that it has N55 engine, detuned to 335hp. Is that correct.
That’s incorrect, it will have the B58 from Z4 M40i.
Looks wise we’ll reserve our judgement until we see it in person. In theory it should drive similar to the Z4, which initial impressions have been positive of. Looking forward to driving either/both!
Evolve Automotive oh so it’s the upgrade from n55. B58 got twin scroll. Good to know. Thanks.
From our experience so far it means it should be VERY tuneable.
@@EvolveAutomotive can't wait what will be achieved!
I'd love to see a comparison between the S55 of the M2 and the B58 engine
Giannis Antonopoulos b58 sounds waaaaaaaay better
@@cmorales2831 For sure! I'm talking about horsepower and torque figures
That's very interesting. Is the difference between the M2 Comp and M3 purely tuning, are there no differences in hardware at all? Turbos, piping, intake etc?
The air intake path is also restricted before the airbox, so I'd expect with identical maps that the M2C would make less power.
One enthusiastic thumbs up. So does the dyno you used read close to what the crank horsepower would be?
It reads wheels then calculates crank. It's more important to focus on the comparisons between the cars
What are the wheels on the tuned M2? And were they modified with that color flash? Same for the front lip. Thanks in advance.
The wheels are 6Sixty Emblem's, we had them custom painted with the orange spoke but as all the wheels are custom this can be ordered. Front lip is RKP and was also painted orange. That M2 is our project car Starla, you can find more info on our playlist of videos about the car or on instagram.com/StarlaM2
I have seen many videos on youtube, which shows m2 comp not really fast on straight as it should be. Also mentioned the air flow for cooling is the problem on m2 comp., less air flows through front facia on m2 comp. than regular m4.
whay do you think the straight line performance different that much? once m2 comp. tuned to original m4 software (theoretically) would it be perform equla as the m4? thank you
Stock the M2C has a much worse intake design as they blocked the grille fresh air scoops. This will have an effect on the power it can make, especially once the engine is hot.
The M2C also weighs slightly more than the M4, so that’s a consideration also.
thank you for your quick reply. if the only restriction is the grille fresh air scoops, what is your solution for that? other than this issue, only difference between m4 comp vs m2 comp is the software, is that correct?
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The Eventuri intake was designed so no modification was required to the car itself and has closed ducts to keep the engine bay heat out. You could modify the panel cutting the openings open to allow more fresh air in to the Intakes.
In theory it would be similar yes. If both cars had OPFs.
Is it possible to get an M4 Competition or GTS map in a M2 Competition?
Did BMW offer a map change on the early M4s to remove the spikey torque that gave traction issue? Looking at a AUC 64 plate M4, but more likely to go 66 plate M2.
Yes they did software updates later to address this
Evolve Automotive thank you. Prefer luxury appeal of M4, but had on heart M2 better size and looks better to replace my 135i.
@@mikescott4008 we have both and M2 is so much more fun to drive ✌️
What year did BMW turn down the torque? I like the idea of having more that you need some times it can come in useful.
I believe they changed the curve when they released 2017 Comp version of the M3/4. But, the cars produced more power and consistently in the mid to upper rev range. Hope that makes sense to ya.
Recently purchased a f80 m3 in the Americas. Can I buy the eventuri intake here? Sorry for my poor American grammar. I was brought here when I was 12 , so my proper english isn’t the greatest. Does your website convert pounds to USD upon purchase mate. Also I’m looking for rims and tyres in the future. I’m am most interested in the collection you supply for your own project cars . By the way , love the channel and the new news uploads for BMW’s
Hey. Yes of course you can buy from our US website. www.evolvetuning.us If you need help with anything email sales@evolveautomotive.com 👍 We are getting good feedback on the channel so we'll keep making content
Thanks Imran.
Will you guys bring out an exhaust for the m2 competition, I currently have the car but it’s so quiet compared to my bros m4
It's definitely something we can look in to after we launch our M3/M4 system.
Nice job though I wonder why you didn't place a fan in front of the car. I thought you would need it to cool down the engine and turbo?
It is in front of the car but out of the picture. We wouldn't run a car without one.
How does a regular M2 with remap fayre against the stock M2 Comp?
You can find out in this video 😉 Driving the M2 Competition - Initial Impressions ruclips.net/video/cCqRX9p-j2I/видео.html
409hp at the wheels or estimated at the crank?
Wheels, BMW has been under rating hp numbers quite a bit recently. BMW M4's dyno 430 at the wheels stock.
Jack Ostrander at the crank mate, the other guy is wrong, only the b58’s make that much more than they’re said
Interesting video thank you. The M2CS seems to have the M3/M4 S55 calibration to give it the full 450bhp. Can this tune be applied to an M2 Competition? I think this would be the sweet spot for UK roads. It bugs me that above 5000rpm the M2 competitions performance flat lines when you want to wring it out. Cheers 👍🏻
Yes that tune would be no problem. We have done ‘stock’ M3 tunes on M2C’s before for people that don’t want to go all the way to a Stage 1 tune.
@@EvolveAutomotive I’ll bear this in mind thanks very much 👍🏻
Another brilliant video and also intresting, would you say there's a massive difference in Competion / CP to the standard M2 to drive.
Also saves me looking through your Archive , what is the average BPH of a stage 1 on a 15 plate M4 , Also does the stage 1 sort the skittish feel out at all, the way its tuned ??
Going to drive the competition tomorrow and make a video with my views. 2015 on old software would make around 425 bhp stock. Our map would bring in power like the competition Pack M4.
sorry , so are you saying it would take the 15 plate M4 up to about 450 bhp with a stage 1 or am wrong ??
What was the tune that was used on the old m2? And could you let me know how to get it?
The tune we show is our own, we can flash it remotely using our Evolve-R cable, or you can come to us to have it loaded.
I personally think the N55 in the previous car is a much deeper sounding engine, there's more of a V12 like sound to it. The M2 comp looks aggressive though.
It does sound better for sure
Is that to the wheels or to the crank?
Imran, what’s the potential max power of the N54 335i?
Depends on your budget!
Evolve Automotive best reply ever 😂❤️
Over 700 if you got coin $$$$$$$$$
So M2 N55 is amazing for the value?
Yes they are great value
would a tune be able to go around the restrictions?
Yes 😁
Whats up with the camber at the rear? Is that stock?
No, the car has been significantly lowered.
So , will you have a M2 comp in your collection?
Have no plans too. Would rather drop a S55 into our M2 if we wanted to go that route. The competition is not special enough to warrant the change.
I may have missed something Imran, what horse power gains will be made on a stage 1 map for the competition?
Around 500 bhp
@@EvolveAutomotiveWOW! 500 BHP, a stage 1 on the N55 engine only gained 40 BHP. So is it purely that the two engines are totally different? and that you can gain better power gains from the S55?
@@robertolombardi3698 the S55 is from the M4 so can easily make this power
@@EvolveAutomotive Nice one Imran, something I will be doing to my M2 Competition when I take delivery of it next year. Does the engine need to be run in first?
Yes, we always advise bare minimum of the running in service being carried out before any warranty voiding modifications. But generally we like to get a few thousand miles on the cars to find any manufacturing issues etc that would require a warranty claim.
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doesn't the regular m2 have the same b58 engine as the 140 and 240?
No
the regular M2 has a modified N55 engine
Would be great to know the actual wheel HP
It's usually 10-12% for drive train losses(on a rear wheel driver car), so that's 49 hp. Which is 360 rwhp. Someone can correct me if i'm off the mark.
Can we have a video on your M2 Competition remap? Including if this is the same as the M3/M4 remap and any differences etc etc 💯💯💯 *#EvolveFTW*
This is something we plan to do when we have an M2C in, will be interesting to see what the same map as the F8x M3/M4 does, whether there are any hardware restrictions limiting power, we believe there is on the inlet side.
Evolve Automotive Id be happy to have my M2C filmed for a free Evolve ECU Remap 🥳
How are you making so much power out of the n55 engine? I have the same engine in my 435I can I make that much power as well?
@@paullevin9760 yes with the right FMIC, DP and tune you can .
You guys don't strap your cars when doing dyno runs?
Of course we do.
Wheel horse power it is??
What year does the PPF get put into the M4 competition package
Think it was any M4 ordered after May18.. Maybe...
Ok thanks, do you know where the PPF is located in the car ?
It gets added on to where the 2nd cats are. The rear backbox is bigger to try and reverse the quietening effect of the extra restriction.
@@NigelPurvis Thanks. Mines is an 18plate. Collected it in June this year. I'm guessing it has one. This is my first M4. My last m car was an M2 with the n55 . It was tuned quite a bit. Sounds amazing too.
Anyway , I'm taking it to a garage tomorrow and taking out the centre resonator box and putting straight pipes into it. Should make a difference, hopefully 😉
@@scottishcarnuts65 I think you'll have avoided it... Just! Get your exhaust guys to have a look at the downpipes and if there are 2 o2 sensors and 2 other pipes connected to a sensor, it has the opf.
How much hp is that at wheel
Man, I'd like to get an M2 N55 though
The N55 sounds amazing in comparison. Both great cars though
Which one do you prefer m2 or m2c?
Both good. I'm not in a rush to swap as the money required to swap is not worth having the S55 in there IMO
What does PPF stands for??
Petrol Particulate Filter
Brilliant video but what’s with all the people hiding behind the skip??😂😂😂
We did advise them to move or they would be RUclips famous 🤣
are these wheel or crank numbers?
Crank
I'm making that power in my e92 n54 407 bhp with stock turbos and just fbos. 😀..... and yes I have the dyno print outs
Yes very easy to get that power from the N54 when you tune it. This S55 will do even more with just a simple tune.
@@EvolveAutomotive yeah still not bad for 11year old car 😁