Awesome guide! I’m a head and a coach of a small karting team, and I teach my pilots literally the same techniques. However, I must add that rental karts are often very sensitive on weight distribution, such as Sodi Sport or RT-8. Because of that, tall or heavy pilots often tend to have a lot of understeer, and trailbraking sometimes becomes necessary in certain situations when you need to stay on certain trajectory. But still, you did an excellent job explaining how to brake for general public, and that’s awesome! Keep up on good work, you have a new subscriber.
This is spot on. I let myself go and got up to 250 lbs and found that threshold braking was the only way I could be even remotely competitive. Now that I got my act together and am back down to 185, I can drive normally again. I still get beaten by far younger and smaller drivers, but it’s a lot more fun now.
if im not mistaken threshold braking refers to the initial and mid part of the braking phase where you brake at the limit (but important not over) which avoids locking up the tyres, the opposite of this is lock up braking where you smash to brakes to just above the tyres limit and hold it there to slow the kart both with the brakes and with the horizontal load on the tyres, trail braking literally just means continuing to hold the brakes into the apex after the turn in phase, threshold braking and trail braking can both be used at the same time as they are not mutually exclusive, also threshold braking on its own does not induce any rotation as you remove the weight off the front tyres before turning and accelerating.
I love this guy! This is what I needed to hear. I only do indoor karting (9 hp karts) but yet I was using the technique for the two-stroke kart technique. Thank you.
a 3rd style of braking I have seen people use in the rental scene is basically using the brake as a hand brake. They go super hot into a corner, smash the brake to lock the rear and rotate the kart then accelerate once the kart is pointed straight. I have seen this with good effect in both electric and gas rentals. Albeit I don't see the top-top drivers do this, these "hand brake" drivers are able to post fast lap times that rival the top times. What's going on here and is this something that is good practice?
@@HazardGarage A myriad of factors, the tyres being a crucial one - rental karts have more durable tyres, so you can hammer the breaks multiple times per session and not experience any degredation, whereas outdoor performance karts or pro karts have performance tyres which a driver needs to look after or they will lose all grip after a small number of lock-ups and general abuse. The surface being also very important, generally indoor karting has a slicker, grippier surface where you are less likely to slide uncontrollably when locking up. Indoor circuits are not likely to have marbles associated with tyre deg described above either, so locking up in any given aprt of the track comes with a lot less lost in lap time than outdoors, where if you lock up on the marbles you have basically ruined your lap. Purely being outdoors also means you would do well to keep control of your kart, with cross winds and all the atmosphere of an outdoor track as opposed to limited factors indoor.
Threshold is very satisfying do it in slippery indoor karts and indeed it's the faster way of riding around the track. Trail braking will be for outdoor, grippy tracks. Enjoyed it :)
Wow.. I struggled and platoed in karting the last 5 years, didn’t know why! Now i know i need to Threshold break In rentals. Thank you very much i will practice now 👍
Really great video, one thing to mention though is that for threshold braking a lot of the time you are using the brakes to almost steer the kart. Rather than trail braking where you want to be almost completely off the brakes when turning in.
Is there any trial braking involved at all in a rental kart? Should you do all your braking in straight line before the turn? Or should you dab the brake and turn sharply at the same time?
Not really the way I'd recommend thinking about braking, this is more of a difference between types of racing lines. This is more the geometric line versus decreasing radius line. For most vehicles the line becomes more geometric when the viable speed range at corner entry is pretty close to the vehicle's top speed. Slow-in fast-out simply provides no benefit unless your car's power plant can make good on the "fast-out" part. The situation is just a bit different on go karts because they lose so much power at low speeds.
honestly the video explains it much clearer than you are here. in your mind this may be the "better" way of looking at it but in reality it is just a way of looking at the exact same thing.
@@Average1212 I wasn't really trying to make it easier to understand, but developing the ideal drive is fundamentally not an easy problem to solve. The video is easier by not telling the whole story, and is not "basically the same thing." For instance, it isn't true for electric karts, which are very common in recreation, and for shifter karts, you're going for the geometric line on high speed corners.
@@DctrBread His video is literally for beginner drivers with no experience, given that his information is appropriate for the intended audience. If you are driving a shifter cart you aren't watching this for driving tips. Yes electric is a completely different animal they also aren't mentioned at all.
Thank you for your vids!! When threshold braking, how fast should i try to get to the threshold (ie how hard do i have to slam the brakes)? As hard as possible without going over threshold?😊
Hey man, just a question with the threshold braking with rental karts, can you only use the technique on tight hair pins, or can you use it on different corners like 45 degrees? Thanks!
Karting is supposed to be a raw driving experience. It's to do with your instincts and driving skills competing against the rest. Sitting just inches from the ground, there are no gadgets or technology to save you😮
@@ameen1358 Yep, it used to be even more raw back in the day, when you were more sat on the ground and "in" the kart, as opposed to on top of it, like it is nowadays.
@@ameen1358 we have the official FIA F1 Go Kart here in London. The karts have ERS and DRS. They’re very technical as you’ll need to deploy the boost at the right moments or your lap time would be seconds off.
i would say threshold because it is still a rental kart. plus in 2 stroke (specifically rotax) you need to be really smooth on the power, if not your kart bogs down. and in rental it is probably difficult to be smooth on the power as they are made for everyone to drive so the kart isn't as responsive as any professional kart. so for a kart like DMAX just treat it like a normal rental kart and do threshold braking to keep the revs high.
DMAX isn’t fast. It’s Rotax Max Junior with heavy rubber bumpers all around. I’d personally prefer to drive KT 100 without the additional bloat. I’ve never tried threshold braking on the DMAX and would love to experiment with it next time. Threshold braking + lean out. Have you tried it yet?
Awesome guide! I’m a head and a coach of a small karting team, and I teach my pilots literally the same techniques. However, I must add that rental karts are often very sensitive on weight distribution, such as Sodi Sport or RT-8. Because of that, tall or heavy pilots often tend to have a lot of understeer, and trailbraking sometimes becomes necessary in certain situations when you need to stay on certain trajectory. But still, you did an excellent job explaining how to brake for general public, and that’s awesome! Keep up on good work, you have a new subscriber.
This is spot on. I let myself go and got up to 250 lbs and found that threshold braking was the only way I could be even remotely competitive. Now that I got my act together and am back down to 185, I can drive normally again.
I still get beaten by far younger and smaller drivers, but it’s a lot more fun now.
if im not mistaken threshold braking refers to the initial and mid part of the braking phase where you brake at the limit (but important not over) which avoids locking up the tyres, the opposite of this is lock up braking where you smash to brakes to just above the tyres limit and hold it there to slow the kart both with the brakes and with the horizontal load on the tyres, trail braking literally just means continuing to hold the brakes into the apex after the turn in phase, threshold braking and trail braking can both be used at the same time as they are not mutually exclusive, also threshold braking on its own does not induce any rotation as you remove the weight off the front tyres before turning and accelerating.
I think you are right
I love this guy! This is what I needed to hear. I only do indoor karting (9 hp karts) but yet I was using the technique for the two-stroke kart technique. Thank you.
Try out the Threshold braking technique and let me know how it goes 😎
a 3rd style of braking I have seen people use in the rental scene is basically using the brake as a hand brake. They go super hot into a corner, smash the brake to lock the rear and rotate the kart then accelerate once the kart is pointed straight. I have seen this with good effect in both electric and gas rentals. Albeit I don't see the top-top drivers do this, these "hand brake" drivers are able to post fast lap times that rival the top times. What's going on here and is this something that is good practice?
That style of braking works a lot better in indoor karting than outdoor.
@@ElementsMMA is it because indoor tracks or more narrow? Im curious as to why so i learn the concept and science behind it.
@@HazardGarage A myriad of factors, the tyres being a crucial one - rental karts have more durable tyres, so you can hammer the breaks multiple times per session and not experience any degredation, whereas outdoor performance karts or pro karts have performance tyres which a driver needs to look after or they will lose all grip after a small number of lock-ups and general abuse.
The surface being also very important, generally indoor karting has a slicker, grippier surface where you are less likely to slide uncontrollably when locking up.
Indoor circuits are not likely to have marbles associated with tyre deg described above either, so locking up in any given aprt of the track comes with a lot less lost in lap time than outdoors, where if you lock up on the marbles you have basically ruined your lap.
Purely being outdoors also means you would do well to keep control of your kart, with cross winds and all the atmosphere of an outdoor track as opposed to limited factors indoor.
@@ElementsMMA thanks for the explanation!
I forgot already.
Womp wimp...more opportunity for me to win
2:33 “extremely used tires” 😂😂😂
For me and my budget it’s well enough ))
Haha, trust me the kart was undrivable 😂
@@kartingtips you know, last time I’ve tried rm and it begins jumping in 100+ speed.
It was very “tired” frame )))
I use wall braking sometimes, but prefer to stay on a threshold throughout all the training session. 🙂 Now dreaming to build a 2-stroke cart. 😊😼
I’ve been trail braking every time I go karting rental or not thanks for the tip.
Threshold is very satisfying do it in slippery indoor karts and indeed it's the faster way of riding around the track. Trail braking will be for outdoor, grippy tracks. Enjoyed it :)
Wow.. I struggled and platoed in karting the last 5 years, didn’t know why! Now i know i need to Threshold break In rentals. Thank you very much i will practice now 👍
Important one for me since I tend to trail brake coming from the motorcycling world.
Great stuff. You're a real gent, a true class act.
I'm so happy that I used both apropriatly without knowing what threshold braking is
Great video! I am generally pretty bad at gokarting, I will try to threshold brake in rental karts, as I normaly always tend to trail brake.
Really great video, one thing to mention though is that for threshold braking a lot of the time you are using the brakes to almost steer the kart. Rather than trail braking where you want to be almost completely off the brakes when turning in.
He said that, at the start.
Is there any trial braking involved at all in a rental kart? Should you do all your braking in straight line before the turn? Or should you dab the brake and turn sharply at the same time?
0:12 kind of feels like zandvoort 2024
Not really the way I'd recommend thinking about braking, this is more of a difference between types of racing lines. This is more the geometric line versus decreasing radius line. For most vehicles the line becomes more geometric when the viable speed range at corner entry is pretty close to the vehicle's top speed. Slow-in fast-out simply provides no benefit unless your car's power plant can make good on the "fast-out" part. The situation is just a bit different on go karts because they lose so much power at low speeds.
honestly the video explains it much clearer than you are here. in your mind this may be the "better" way of looking at it but in reality it is just a way of looking at the exact same thing.
@@Average1212 I wasn't really trying to make it easier to understand, but developing the ideal drive is fundamentally not an easy problem to solve. The video is easier by not telling the whole story, and is not "basically the same thing." For instance, it isn't true for electric karts, which are very common in recreation, and for shifter karts, you're going for the geometric line on high speed corners.
@@DctrBread His video is literally for beginner drivers with no experience, given that his information is appropriate for the intended audience. If you are driving a shifter cart you aren't watching this for driving tips.
Yes electric is a completely different animal they also aren't mentioned at all.
Great video!
Can you draw a telemetry graph to show the difference of two braking methods?
Basically ...|... vs. ...||\...
Thank you for your vids!! When threshold braking, how fast should i try to get to the threshold (ie how hard do i have to slam the brakes)? As hard as possible without going over threshold?😊
Where do I go to get the classes for karting you talked about at the end of the video?
Track Help is hosted on the KTips Academy and you can join for free using this link: www.skool.com/ktips-academy-6036
wasn't expecting to see bushy park!
It’s an awesome track!
@@kartingtips are all the tracks in the video in the caribbean?
Hey man, just a question with the threshold braking with rental karts, can you only use the technique on tight hair pins, or can you use it on different corners like 45 degrees? Thanks!
useful video thanks
Our rental car is is the middle, 18Ps. What’s best for me?
Could i use a bit of oversteer to turn the rental kart towards the apex?
I’m doing LO206 does trailbraking apply to those karts as well
hey. guy who made the bodycam game. please do a game like this
What is that kart (i mean chassis and engine if possible). Great vid
It’s a Kosmic Kart with Rotax Senior Max engine
Do you know is there go karts that have traction control?
Nope, karts do not have traction control
Karting is supposed to be a raw driving experience. It's to do with your instincts and driving skills competing against the rest. Sitting just inches from the ground, there are no gadgets or technology to save you😮
@@ameen1358 Yep, it used to be even more raw back in the day, when you were more sat on the ground and "in" the kart, as opposed to on top of it, like it is nowadays.
Yes, it's called "the driver's right foot" 👍🏼
@@ameen1358 we have the official FIA F1 Go Kart here in London. The karts have ERS and DRS. They’re very technical as you’ll need to deploy the boost at the right moments or your lap time would be seconds off.
What form of breaking would you recommend in something like DMAX karts at Daytona
i would say threshold because it is still a rental kart. plus in 2 stroke (specifically rotax) you need to be really smooth on the power, if not your kart bogs down. and in rental it is probably difficult to be smooth on the power as they are made for everyone to drive so the kart isn't as responsive as any professional kart. so for a kart like DMAX just treat it like a normal rental kart and do threshold braking to keep the revs high.
DMAX isn’t fast. It’s Rotax Max Junior with heavy rubber bumpers all around. I’d personally prefer to drive KT 100 without the additional bloat. I’ve never tried threshold braking on the DMAX and would love to experiment with it next time. Threshold braking + lean out. Have you tried it yet?
@@zencisuyu51 thanks for your advice. What about leaning out to try to offload the inner wheels on DMAX karts? Is that advisable? Thanks.
"extremely used tires" ahahahaahhaa
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