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I wonder how often these self-proclaimed "historians" have been in the history archives of the countries concerned? I suspect never. And that's why it has nothing to do with history, but rather hearsay. I recommend real historians like Roman Töppel, for example. He has been in the archives in Germany and Russia, speaks both languages fluently, has spoken to many contemporary witnesses, etc. and he explains things in a factual and objective manner. This is trash and tabloid level
When you listen to the makeup of the German forces you realize just how rare the Tigers were. The Panzer III's are pretty much obsolete against other tanks at this point, yet they constitute a decent portion of the German armor.
Not really, Pz 3 was on par or better with the numerous T-70 and the versions of Pz 3 with the long 50mm were competitive against T-34 and pretty much as well armored as the late Pz 4s, I would totally say not obsolete.
@oldesertguy9616 You can't use what you don't have. And even if a Panzer III couldn't do more than blow the tread off of it's enemy that still gives it a useful function. In another week I think you'll see how effective 'obsolete' can be sometimes.
Isn’t the theory with the Tigers that they were “ breakout tanks” ? They were never supposed to be the bulk of the armoured force, just the tip of the spearhead, which seems to be where they are deployed here.
When you hear "state farm", think of is as of typical village, not a typical farm. Those are villages reorganized into a single collective farm, but they looked like a village, and impacted the terrain just like a typical village
Your coverage of WW2 was great , it was everything that my parents who experienced it first hand never talked about! Both born in France in 1923 and 1928 they were teen agers when the war broke out. My dad wanted to join the Vichy Navy but Operation Torch put an end to that as the French Navy scuttled itself rather than fall into German hands when the Free French zone was invaded by Germany in November 1943. He joined later after the war was over and the Navy reactivated. One uncle of mine fled France, was jailed in Spain, made his way to the UK where he trained as a RAF pilot and got his wings just as the war ended. He never flew in combat. Getting information about their experiences during this conflict was like pulling teeth , they did not like to talk about it. I guess it was bad enough to live through all that without having to be reminded.
Many years ago I played a recreation of this battle, held at one of the UK staff colleges with around 120+ participants. Each of the major units was represented by a staff of four people in an individual room plus a "high command", to which they were connected by internal telephone, and many umpires. It lasted the whole day from about 9am (briefing), 10am (initial attack) to about 5pm (end of play) and then around an hour of analysis by the umpires. It was quite an experience. Fog of war, logistics, and lots of artillery.
@comstr USSR. The German side did pull some good moves early on. The USSR inadvertently created a huge traffic jam that cut off some of its own units from supply, which helped Germany at one point.
@@wbertie2604 why did the ussr won in your recreation? better tactics/number/quality of men etc?? cuz i am assuming it s a recreation from pov of the equipement, initial strength and numbers and of course geography but the human factor is different, right?
@ciripa the USSR in the scenario had its historic strength which was greater than that of the opposition. As such, a German victory was highly unlikely and everyone who took part in the recreation knew this
@@wbertie2604 what do you understand by historic strength? for me coming from Peter the Great and all the way to WW1, power in numbers, not really caring about the losses, they could loose terrain to buy time and of course, they have a certain strength that comes from their hard lives
This series is bringing back a great memory from my youth: The house next to my home was a college boarding-house, with several college students occupying. Several of them were history majors and played wargames from the time, mostly Avalon Hill "Bookcase" games. One of Avalon Hills most popular titles was "PanzerBlitz", a game of armored combat on the Eastern Front. As I was interested in history, and military history in particular, I spent a great deal of time with those guys playing the scenarios. Eventually, they invited me to join and my most memorable session was the battle of Prokhorovka. It was spicy, to be sure, and invariably devolved into a meatgrinder for all. Good times..................................
Indy, I absolutely love these keep them coming. The Stalingrad map special, Pearl harbor, this one... I can only imagine the amount of sources you guys had to reference in order to get the movements and everything in such detail. Fantastic. Also, I'm loving how the map animations have evolved and improved over the years. They look beautiful.
Love these episodic series, so much more detail, moment by moment, than is usually conveyed when covering the bigger picture (understandably, of course).
world war two- wow, i like how you are categorizing these stories in smaller segments, that builds the drama and doesn't go on for too long of a video, what a great idea for a platform, you have a great platform, it gets people really living on the edge of their seat to see what happens next with these war storylines, glad it showed up in my feed. great job, i'm subbing. 😀👍
These episodes remind me of the old Republic Studio movie serials of my childhood. Just when it looked like all was lost for the hero (Batman, Superman, whoever) the announcer would come on" "What will happen? See the next thrilling chapter in this theatre next week!" And we did!
And the resolution was invariably 'although the cliffhanger was that their vehicle crashed and burst into flames, they escaped at the last minute in a bit we didn't show you last episode.'
I remember reading about the battle of Kursk from the weekly magazines, 'A World at War.' I still wonder at the fortitude and perseverance of an infantryman in the middle of all the tanks, planes and artillery roaring and smashing the earth all about. I'd have disgraced myself.
So glad after WWII has finished you are still producing high quality entertaining and informative material. I can't believe how many Panzer III they have in the order of battle in 1943 when I believed them to be obsolete and these are the Elite Waffen SS Divisions. Keep up the good work.
The real panzer divisions were very different from modern fighting units and bear no connections with the panzer divisions from the Nazi propaganda. For example a panzer division from 1942 onward rerely had more than 100 "tanks" (armor). They were quite small. For reference an American Armor Brigade Combat Team (Armor Brigade) has 90 Abrams MBT. So basically an USA Armor Brigade could wipe out an SS division with no loses...
Logistical nightmare would actually be an understatement. Just another bit of meddling from the top which consistently hamstrung their military. I've always found it impressive to the point of bordering on superhuman what they actually were able to accomplish with their hands always getting tied the way they were.
@@rrice1705 ? Abundant, how did you think they got those T-34's in the first place? Alright, fair enough, abundant might not be the right word but still.
Indy, I’m very impressed at your ability to pronounce Russian and German names. Either you’ve great language tutors at Time Ghost Army or your language skills are superlative!
This illustrates nicely what a motley assortment of motorized vehicles of each type the Germans employed during the war. Surprised to see so many Panzer III's at this point, but I guess you gotta dance with the ones that brung ya.
Anything that happened after 1943 always makes me wonder what the regimes were thinking. Japan, your fleet has more ships sinking than being built, it's hopeless, surrender. Germany you have lost the Atlantic so Britain can never be taken, you're getting pushed back in Russia and your army is depending on captured equipment, it's hopeless, surrender.
@@Adiscretefirm They were thinking a lot of things. To start with, they cannot just ragequit the war. There are political, economical and judicial consequences to be paid. Germany escentialy trades land for time in the hopes it can reach a separate peace agreement with the western allies. The Ardeness offensive for example was a gamble to exploit the tension between the US and the UK to make them settle for peace. Against the USSR however, the German goverment fights to withold the capitalist order in Europe, and thats a higher priority than just avoid being cut to pieces by the winners. Even the Allies move their units to keep the communist (Red Army + partisan movements) advance in check in central Europe. In the case of Japan, they fight to the bitter end to avoid being turned into a US Colony. If you look at the episodes of the regular series you will notice this is a major concern for the japanese, and its not even clear even by the terms of the ultimatum if Japan will have an autonomous goverment or not.
Indy, i cant take it... i need more videos. My sat nights are so lame, if i dont get more ww2, im just gonna end it. Btw, that image of that image of the Panzer Mark IV Special, gave me wood.
I would like to add some stuff: - The SPW-Btl: Yes, Panzerdivisions were to have one battalion of halftracks in their PzGrenReg in 1943, whereas the PzGren divisions would follow this pattern only in 1944. The SS PzGrenDiv, however, were PzGren only by name. Where the PzGrenDiv of the Wehrmacht had one "Panzer" battalion made of StuG, the SS had a full panzer regiment with medium tanks (like a Wehrmacht Panzer division) AND a StuG battalion. They were real juggernauts. So it's just consistent in this pattern that the SS-PzGrenDiv had a SPW-Btl. - The Tiger company: The first Kriegsstärkenachweis (KStN, german TO&E) for a heavy tank company was KStN 1176d from 15 August 1942. A heavy tank company should have a mix of Panzer III and Tigers. The Panzer III should be of the N version with the short 7,5cm KwK L/24 howitzerto suppress infantry and AT guns. In march 1943 a new version of 1176d was published for a pure Tiger lineup, but my guess is that the LSSAH kept the old structure because it hadn't received more Tiger - which went to the heavy panzer battalions first. So, it's not really against regulations, I guess. Also restructuring was mostly done during
The Battle of the Iron Triangle ( in the first week of the war, a panzer group or two, vs about five incomplete mech corps ) is sometimes considered the largest tank battle. The German AFV total is probably more easier to estimate than the Soviet.
This video provides an insightful look at the Battle of Prokhorovka, a major tank battle during World War II. It focuses on the deployment of forces on July 12, 1943, before the battle began.
Bit confused about not a single mention of Ferdinands and Panthers, there's footage of those tanks in the Kursk Salient battle, but no mention of in the troop deployments? Same for the Russian KV-tanks who were definitely at Kursk as well.
Ferdinands were deployed with the 2nd Army at the northern pincer of the battle. Panthers were attached to the Grossdeutschland division, on the left flank of the ss units in the video. At this point, only Army (Heer) units had these type of vehicles.
@@krisztianracsko2257 Thanks! It's already quite revealing just how few Tigers the Waffen SS divisions had, but that they had no Panthers or Ferdinands is even more so.
Every time you highlight the “Panzer III” in the line of battle, I think they were delusional… An obsolete under gunned tank ( Still a fave tank of mine but way past its best by 1944). What were they thinking? That muppet AH so needed a good kick in the plums…
I'm following the battle on the google maps and it's crazy how these locations are so close together to each other. The distance between "hill" 252.2 and prokhorovka is like less than 2km. And I put hill in quotation marks because there's no hill there IRL. Nor is there the 10m railway embankment. It's all so goddamn flat with very shallow slopes and fields.
We analyzed the hill situation extensively and they seem to be more like gradual slopes than clearly distinct hills. When exaggerating elevation data, the embankment can be noticed but does not seem to have a sudden fall off. The embankment appears to be higher along the railway segment between "Hill 252.2" and Prokhorovka than further south. We have limited information about how the terrain has been altered in the last 81 years. There is the possibility that some of these geographic features have become less noticeable.
As a wargamer, I'm all about order of battle and deployments, so keep it up! I notice there are maybe a platoon of Tigers per panzergrenadier division, and there are many Panzer III's. Conspicuous by their absence are the Panther tanks, and any battalion-sized tank abteilungs that would typically include Tigers. I've heard the Kursk offensive was delayed a couple of months to allow the Panthers to participate, are they somewhere else in the Kursk area?
Were many of the Pzkw III's at Kursk the M model armed with short 75MM guns as anti-infantry weapons to fight defending infantry and anti-tank guns? This took them out of serving as anti-tank guns themselves.
The brits had a fair few of their creations shipped to the Soviets. AFAIK, they had some Valentines and a whole lot of Bren Universal Carriers, their tanks were pretty well regarded in the Eastern Front, despite being there in very small numbers
According to The Canadian Encyclopedia: Canadian Valentines In 1941, production of Canadian Valentines began at the Canadian Pacific Railway’s Montreal Angus Shops. These vehicles used several North American-built parts and shared some components with the Canadian Ram tank. Around 1,390 Canadian Valentines were sent to Russia, along with 1,300 British ones. Canadian armoured units did not use Valentines in combat, but 30 vehicles were used for training. The Valentine was the first tank produced in Canada
Odd that the Soviets put a few Churchills in each division rather simply putting them in one unit. Perhaps they were used as command tanks with their radios, does anyone know?
OK, just a little confusion. The #1 SS, had something about it being named after the big boss ( Hitler ). They had to sit around and wait for the #3 SS to fight all the way around to behind the enemy so the #1 SS could march in to take all the credit...
Awesome cover! Can't wait to see what will happen next week. Could you please cover also some naval battles in this detail? Coral Sea, Midway, Matapan or North Cape (defense of JW55B)? Or whole dramatic Guadalcanal campaign and formation of Ironbottom Sound. Any chance for that?
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Doubt State Farm Insurance Company would have covered Soviet WW2 era armored fighting vehicles.
deployments are cool for nerdz like us keep up the good work
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Please give us a link so I can watch next Saturday
I wonder how often these self-proclaimed "historians" have been in the history archives of the countries concerned? I suspect never. And that's why it has nothing to do with history, but rather hearsay.
I recommend real historians like Roman Töppel, for example. He has been in the archives in Germany and Russia, speaks both languages fluently, has spoken to many contemporary witnesses, etc. and he explains things in a factual and objective manner.
This is trash and tabloid level
When you listen to the makeup of the German forces you realize just how rare the Tigers were. The Panzer III's are pretty much obsolete against other tanks at this point, yet they constitute a decent portion of the German armor.
Oh yeah, German industry could never produce enough AFVs to meet the needs of the army. Plus, the Eastern front simple "eats" men and equipment
Not really, Pz 3 was on par or better with the numerous T-70 and the versions of Pz 3 with the long 50mm were competitive against T-34 and pretty much as well armored as the late Pz 4s, I would totally say not obsolete.
to be fair, they do compare favourably to the T-70/SU-76 which seemed to make up about half of the Red Army's AFV strength
@oldesertguy9616 You can't use what you don't have. And even if a Panzer III couldn't do more than blow the tread off of it's enemy that still gives it a useful function. In another week I think you'll see how effective 'obsolete' can be sometimes.
Isn’t the theory with the Tigers that they were “ breakout tanks” ? They were never supposed to be the bulk of the armoured force, just the tip of the spearhead, which seems to be where they are deployed here.
Was hoping to see the 3D maps from The Korean War in context of WW2, I'm not disappointed, they work really well
When you hear "state farm", think of is as of typical village, not a typical farm. Those are villages reorganized into a single collective farm, but they looked like a village, and impacted the terrain just like a typical village
the world of tanks Prokhorovka map does a fantastic job modeling this.
And in this case, Oktyabrsky seems to also have a Zoo with all those Tigers and Panthers...
2:36 this map style gives me CoD WaW campaign vibes, the top down, scaled and simplified mapping. I can’t get enough of this WW2 stuff
Your coverage of WW2 was great , it was everything that my parents who experienced it first hand never talked about!
Both born in France in 1923 and 1928 they were teen agers when the war broke out. My dad wanted to join the Vichy Navy but Operation Torch put an end to that as the French Navy scuttled itself rather than fall into German hands when the Free French zone was invaded by Germany in November 1943. He joined later after the war was over and the Navy reactivated. One uncle of mine fled France, was jailed in Spain, made his way to the UK where he trained as a RAF pilot and got his wings just as the war ended. He never flew in combat.
Getting information about their experiences during this conflict was like pulling teeth , they did not like to talk about it. I guess it was bad enough to live through all that without having to be reminded.
Many years ago I played a recreation of this battle, held at one of the UK staff colleges with around 120+ participants. Each of the major units was represented by a staff of four people in an individual room plus a "high command", to which they were connected by internal telephone, and many umpires. It lasted the whole day from about 9am (briefing), 10am (initial attack) to about 5pm (end of play) and then around an hour of analysis by the umpires. It was quite an experience. Fog of war, logistics, and lots of artillery.
You can't just stop there- who WON?!?
@comstr USSR. The German side did pull some good moves early on. The USSR inadvertently created a huge traffic jam that cut off some of its own units from supply, which helped Germany at one point.
@@wbertie2604 why did the ussr won in your recreation? better tactics/number/quality of men etc?? cuz i am assuming it s a recreation from pov of the equipement, initial strength and numbers and of course geography but the human factor is different, right?
@ciripa the USSR in the scenario had its historic strength which was greater than that of the opposition. As such, a German victory was highly unlikely and everyone who took part in the recreation knew this
@@wbertie2604 what do you understand by historic strength? for me coming from Peter the Great and all the way to WW1, power in numbers, not really caring about the losses, they could loose terrain to buy time and of course, they have a certain strength that comes from their hard lives
Every time you mention the "state farm", all I can think is "Like a good neighbor......"
Touche
No wonder State Farm’s color is red.
As long as Jake is working there
Like a good comrade…
They were not good neighbors...
Fields of Prokhorovka.
Where the heat of battle burned!
AFTER HEAVY LOSSES,
THE TIDE OF WAR WAS TURNED
Suffered heavy losses and the tide of war was turned
Driving back the Germans, Fighting on four fronts
This series is bringing back a great memory from my youth:
The house next to my home was a college boarding-house, with several college students occupying. Several of them were history majors and played wargames from the time, mostly Avalon Hill "Bookcase" games.
One of Avalon Hills most popular titles was "PanzerBlitz", a game of armored combat on the Eastern Front. As I was interested in history, and military history in particular, I spent a great deal of time with those guys playing the scenarios. Eventually, they invited me to join and my most memorable session was the battle of Prokhorovka.
It was spicy, to be sure, and invariably devolved into a meatgrinder for all.
Good times..................................
Thanks for sharing a nice memory with us karl!
Indy, I absolutely love these keep them coming. The Stalingrad map special, Pearl harbor, this one... I can only imagine the amount of sources you guys had to reference in order to get the movements and everything in such detail. Fantastic. Also, I'm loving how the map animations have evolved and improved over the years. They look beautiful.
We plan to do many more mini-series like this in the future! Stay tuned.
- Jake
Like a good comrade, Oktyabrsky State Farm is there!
Though it seems to be a State Zoo at this point, with all those Tigers...
As well as Panthers and Elefants. Perhaps a mouse will appear.
In Soviet Russia, the Insurance claims You.
This is one of the best historical videos on RUclips. You put a lot of effort into editing the video. We are all very grateful to you.🎉
Love these episodic series, so much more detail, moment by moment, than is usually conveyed when covering the bigger picture (understandably, of course).
Great to hear! We hope to do more of this type of content in the future too. Stay tuned.
Mr. Neidell, you now we expect you to do this for at least another 2 decades. Im already waiting for the 100 years special series on WW2. XD
Until he’s 90.
He is the Hugh Jackman of RUclips History Channels.@@ShadowReaper-pu2hx
Better make it 3 decades. That way he can cover what came after the Third Defenestration of Prague in 1618.
to be followed by the 40 years war
world war two- wow, i like how you are categorizing these stories in smaller segments, that builds the drama and doesn't go on for too long of a video, what a great idea for a platform, you have a great platform, it gets people really living on the edge of their seat to see what happens next with these war storylines, glad it showed up in my feed. great job, i'm subbing. 😀👍
I always enjoy these, TY!
Thanks for watching!
These episodes remind me of the old Republic Studio movie serials of my childhood. Just when it looked like all was lost for the hero (Batman, Superman, whoever) the announcer would come on" "What will happen? See the next thrilling chapter in this theatre next week!" And we did!
And the resolution was invariably 'although the cliffhanger was that their vehicle crashed and burst into flames, they escaped at the last minute in a bit we didn't show you last episode.'
I remember reading about the battle of Kursk from the weekly magazines, 'A World at War.' I still wonder at the fortitude and perseverance of an infantryman in the middle of all the tanks, planes and artillery roaring and smashing the earth all about. I'd have disgraced myself.
Tanks for the video!
Tanks for watching!
Brilliant Run Up to The Collision of Armor at Progorovka!
Panzer III's and StuG's are backbone of the entire operation. Insane.
Even more insane that this part of German forces turned out to be so much more successful than the one with Panthers and Ferdinands.
Obligatory I didn't choose the stug life, the stug life chose me remark.
So glad after WWII has finished you are still producing high quality entertaining and informative material. I can't believe how many Panzer III they have in the order of battle in 1943 when I believed them to be obsolete and these are the Elite Waffen SS Divisions. Keep up the good work.
The absolute hodgepodge of vehicles in each German unit is really interesting. And seems like a logistical nightmare.
Yeah, and still pulling off miracles, logistically speaking. Unbelievable.
The real panzer divisions were very different from modern fighting units and bear no connections with the panzer divisions from the Nazi propaganda.
For example a panzer division from 1942 onward rerely had more than 100 "tanks" (armor). They were quite small.
For reference an American Armor Brigade Combat Team (Armor Brigade) has 90 Abrams MBT. So basically an USA Armor Brigade could wipe out an SS division with no loses...
Logistical nightmare would actually be an understatement. Just another bit of meddling from the top which consistently hamstrung their military. I've always found it impressive to the point of bordering on superhuman what they actually were able to accomplish with their hands always getting tied the way they were.
I see some of these German units had T-34s along. Best of luck to them finding spare parts for those.
@@rrice1705 ? Abundant, how did you think they got those T-34's in the first place? Alright, fair enough, abundant might not be the right word but still.
Its good to see you back!
🇨🇦Coded Joke, 1943, Kursk, USSR, Hey Fritz! "HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR K-V?"
Fritz: "Crisp!"
Happiness is a new indy video and a bacon, spinach, mozzarella fritta with sriracha drizzle.
Damn that's good. You got a recipe?
Great video. I recognize the video of the tank at 12:08. I'm not fluent in Russian, but за родину translates as "for the motherland"
Za Rodinu!
I'm enjoying this idea to do individual battle mini series!
dude watching your series makes me want to play graviteam tactics; trust me, that's one crazy rts that decently represent these operations.
Love a deployment episode! These scratch a highly specific itch on top of doing so much to properly frame the upcoming action
Love your maps!
Thanks for the comment!
Awesome without ai voice, excellent video
new audio tickles my ears. love it
Indy, I’m very impressed at your ability to pronounce Russian and German names. Either you’ve great language tutors at Time Ghost Army or your language skills are superlative!
The stresses in his pronounce of Russian names is not right.
But he improved his ability of pronounce "zh" sound in name of Storozhevoe 😅
@@johnjohnson8818 Well, it sounds pretty good to me anyway :)
Terrific detail, as always.
Hopefully the battle of Leyte Gulf will be the next mini-series.
Great series so far. Looking forward to the rest of the episodes.
We'll have new episodes every Saturday till it's conclusion!
Hi Indy
Another wonderful episode
Thanks
This illustrates nicely what a motley assortment of motorized vehicles of each type the Germans employed during the war. Surprised to see so many Panzer III's at this point, but I guess you gotta dance with the ones that brung ya.
Really showcases how much the Cutting Edge Motorized Wehrmacht narrative we've been fed for decades has a shitload of holes in it.
Anything that happened after 1943 always makes me wonder what the regimes were thinking. Japan, your fleet has more ships sinking than being built, it's hopeless, surrender. Germany you have lost the Atlantic so Britain can never be taken, you're getting pushed back in Russia and your army is depending on captured equipment, it's hopeless, surrender.
@@Adiscretefirm They were thinking a lot of things.
To start with, they cannot just ragequit the war. There are political, economical and judicial consequences to be paid. Germany escentialy trades land for time in the hopes it can reach a separate peace agreement with the western allies. The Ardeness offensive for example was a gamble to exploit the tension between the US and the UK to make them settle for peace. Against the USSR however, the German goverment fights to withold the capitalist order in Europe, and thats a higher priority than just avoid being cut to pieces by the winners. Even the Allies move their units to keep the communist (Red Army + partisan movements) advance in check in central Europe.
In the case of Japan, they fight to the bitter end to avoid being turned into a US Colony. If you look at the episodes of the regular series you will notice this is a major concern for the japanese, and its not even clear even by the terms of the ultimatum if Japan will have an autonomous goverment or not.
To be fair, at the same time Red Army still had lots of T-60, so Panzer 3 isn't all that bad by comparison.
Im surprised about the Russian using the British Churchill tanks to be honest.
Indy, i cant take it... i need more videos. My sat nights are so lame, if i dont get more ww2, im just gonna end it.
Btw, that image of that image of the Panzer Mark IV Special, gave me wood.
Thank you for the lesson.
Thanks for watching!
Great stuff Indy!
If Indy says trust me.. I have more confidence than damn near anything that the video will still be entertaining.
As always always , thank you for all the hard work you put into this project . ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you
More mini series like this please
I don’t know what’s more impressive, how quickly Indy can travel from Pyongyang to Kursk, or that he can go back and forth 7 years in time
He is a TimeGhost…
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Thank you again :)
Great new mini series! I'd love to see an in depth series on the North African campaign too.
great video
Find out next week? I wanna know if it's the greatest tank battle NOW!!! 🙂
Thank you for all you do, TGA!
See you next week!
5:26 look at the cannon on the P4 in the foreground
I would like to add some stuff:
- The SPW-Btl: Yes, Panzerdivisions were to have one battalion of halftracks in their PzGrenReg in 1943, whereas the PzGren divisions would follow this pattern only in 1944. The SS PzGrenDiv, however, were PzGren only by name. Where the PzGrenDiv of the Wehrmacht had one "Panzer" battalion made of StuG, the SS had a full panzer regiment with medium tanks (like a Wehrmacht Panzer division) AND a StuG battalion. They were real juggernauts. So it's just consistent in this pattern that the SS-PzGrenDiv had a SPW-Btl.
- The Tiger company: The first Kriegsstärkenachweis (KStN, german TO&E) for a heavy tank company was KStN 1176d from 15 August 1942. A heavy tank company should have a mix of Panzer III and Tigers. The Panzer III should be of the N version with the short 7,5cm KwK L/24 howitzerto suppress infantry and AT guns. In march 1943 a new version of 1176d was published for a pure Tiger lineup, but my guess is that the LSSAH kept the old structure because it hadn't received more Tiger - which went to the heavy panzer battalions first. So, it's not really against regulations, I guess. Also restructuring was mostly done during
All pie in the sky.The Germans could never have built enough vehicles to equip their total of about 34 Panzer divisions,and other tank units.
The Battle of the Iron Triangle ( in the first week of the war, a panzer group or two, vs about five incomplete mech corps ) is sometimes considered the largest tank battle. The German AFV total is probably more easier to estimate than the Soviet.
This video provides an insightful look at the Battle of Prokhorovka, a major tank battle during World War II. It focuses on the deployment of forces on July 12, 1943, before the battle began.
I didn't realise the Red Army was still using a large number of T-70s at this time
It's not an old design, so why wouldn't they? Though it was designed as a scouting tank, but is also used as the cheap man's T-34
@podemosurss8316 i just thought they had enough T-34s by this time to not need the T-70s
Deployment is not "dry"! It's the flavorful crispy crust, slightly singed to get for that Maillard reaction.
We trust you Indy!
You guys are awesome
Thanks for watching Patrick!
very good series thank you. Interesting how there were no panthers available? 14:57
"Supported by the 1000th Anti Tank Regiment" eesh...when you start seeing 4 digit numbers in regimental designations....that's a BIG army....
OUCH!!😮
I would love to see a miniseries about the many battles of Rhzev
It would be great if you were to do a break down special on Dubno-Brody as well.
This is what I wanted years ago.
"kursk, a staff officers case study" by david glantz, is an interresting, if dry matter book
Wonderful introduction
Bit confused about not a single mention of Ferdinands and Panthers, there's footage of those tanks in the Kursk Salient battle, but no mention of in the troop deployments? Same for the Russian KV-tanks who were definitely at Kursk as well.
Ferdinands were deployed with the 2nd Army at the northern pincer of the battle. Panthers were attached to the Grossdeutschland division, on the left flank of the ss units in the video. At this point, only Army (Heer) units had these type of vehicles.
@@krisztianracsko2257 Thanks! It's already quite revealing just how few Tigers the Waffen SS divisions had, but that they had no Panthers or Ferdinands is even more so.
Every time you highlight the “Panzer III” in the line of battle, I think they were delusional… An obsolete under gunned tank ( Still a fave tank of mine but way past its best by 1944). What were they thinking? That muppet AH so needed a good kick in the plums…
I'm following the battle on the google maps and it's crazy how these locations are so close together to each other. The distance between "hill" 252.2 and prokhorovka is like less than 2km. And I put hill in quotation marks because there's no hill there IRL. Nor is there the 10m railway embankment. It's all so goddamn flat with very shallow slopes and fields.
We analyzed the hill situation extensively and they seem to be more like gradual slopes than clearly distinct hills. When exaggerating elevation data, the embankment can be noticed but does not seem to have a sudden fall off. The embankment appears to be higher along the railway segment between "Hill 252.2" and Prokhorovka than further south. We have limited information about how the terrain has been altered in the last 81 years. There is the possibility that some of these geographic features have become less noticeable.
@monoxific very interesting. Thanks gor info.
The embankment can be seen through the tree line here: maps.app.goo.gl/iPq2XzX98VvFEFDYA
And even more clearly a little further north along Route 14K-5: maps.app.goo.gl/V6PW6B7RT41qTS277
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As a wargamer, I'm all about order of battle and deployments, so keep it up! I notice there are maybe a platoon of Tigers per panzergrenadier division, and there are many Panzer III's. Conspicuous by their absence are the Panther tanks, and any battalion-sized tank abteilungs that would typically include Tigers. I've heard the Kursk offensive was delayed a couple of months to allow the Panthers to participate, are they somewhere else in the Kursk area?
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Thanks for the lovely comment Jason!
@WorldWarTwo you' re welcome 🙂
10:56, did Das Reich really capture and restore to operational capability 8 Soviet tanks? That’s pretty impressive for a single division!
They had a regiment of captured T-34s at one point
@ wow
Pretty sure Bäke's escapade with the T-34 Beutepanzers was in an episode of Greatest Tank Battles.
Were many of the Pzkw III's at Kursk the M model armed with short 75MM guns as anti-infantry weapons to fight defending infantry and anti-tank guns? This took them out of serving as anti-tank guns themselves.
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It’s interesting how so few tigers influence the battle.
SU 122's or SU-85's ? I wasn't aware the bigger model was available yet. Most books I've seen had them arriving at the front in early 44.
My heads scrambled with stats
Thanks TGA, it almost felt like the old days last night, minus the flags ofc. =)
_ps: Hi Inge if you're watching!_
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USSR using Churchill, wow. Although just a few of them.
The brits had a fair few of their creations shipped to the Soviets.
AFAIK, they had some Valentines and a whole lot of Bren Universal Carriers, their tanks were pretty well regarded in the Eastern Front, despite being there in very small numbers
According to The Canadian Encyclopedia: Canadian Valentines
In 1941, production of Canadian Valentines began at the Canadian Pacific Railway’s Montreal Angus Shops. These vehicles used several North American-built parts and shared some components with the Canadian Ram tank. Around 1,390 Canadian Valentines were sent to Russia, along with 1,300 British ones. Canadian armoured units did not use Valentines in combat, but 30 vehicles were used for training. The Valentine was the first tank produced in Canada
@seanlawrence6519 thanks for the knowledge.
They did like the vehicle when it came to combat performance, though they didn't like the engines due to being underpowered.
@@Sabrowsky Except for the Matildas, which were compared unfavourably to the KV-1.
Odd that the Soviets put a few Churchills in each division rather simply putting them in one unit. Perhaps they were used as command tanks with their radios, does anyone know?
I wonder if they were armed with 2 pounders or 6 pounders.
Great stuff as usual
Fun fact: Every time Indy prononces 'Oktyabrsky' it sounds totally russian with not any accent present
If possible can u make a video about the turkey shoot? I don't see much coverage on the battle let alone the lead up to it
It’s it bad that this one makes me post excited. Logistics.
Please do one of these for dunkirk!!!??
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll pass it along to the team.
- Jake
very good setup, but where are the supply lines? so many tanks, so few fuel trucks.
This is better than Netflix 😅
5:50 You say Yamaki but the label on the map says Yamki. Which is correct?
Yamki
Indy will occasionally misspeak, no big deal. It is Yamki however
OK, just a little confusion. The #1 SS, had something about it being named after the big boss ( Hitler ). They had to sit around and wait for the #3 SS to fight all the way around to behind the enemy so the #1 SS could march in to take all the credit...
Super
Awesome cover! Can't wait to see what will happen next week.
Could you please cover also some naval battles in this detail? Coral Sea, Midway, Matapan or North Cape (defense of JW55B)?
Or whole dramatic Guadalcanal campaign and formation of Ironbottom Sound. Any chance for that?
Don't let his distract you from the fact Thailand is still fighting the war
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What about the battle of Brody 1941?
"This is a StuG. It Stugs."
I’ve been absent a bit….when did Indy come back?
Um... when did I leave?
@ my apology.