Interesting option for driving the Ami in cold weather; thanks for sharing. A few iMiev / Ion / C-Zero Kei car EV owners have installed these fuel heaters. This approach is effective in reducing the cold weather range loss.
I have just had an idea. If you replace the electric motor and traction battery, with a petrol engine, you could use the waste heat from the engine cooling system, to warm the cab up, then you wouldn't need a webasto diesel heater ? lol.
A very useful and logical idea... The battery case can also be heated with this webasto heater and it will have a positive effect on the range. Cold lithium reduces the charging capacity of batteries, so when you set off with a full battery, you will definitely not be able to achieve the range you see on the screen. I think this heater should also heat the batteries.. good job dude..
I agree with you that replacing the existing 12 volt battery with a larger capacity battery would be preferable if you can find one that fits. A battery-invertor might be a possible option. That might provide flexibility for charging the 12 volt battery from the mains or a solar panel as well as via the main high voltage battery. Nigel of the EV Puzzle RUclips channel has tested some small battery-inverters of various sizes. Nigel was most impressed by an Allpowers brand battery which has a lot of capacity in a compact case. 😎
i have still the original 12v battery in my rocks e but i protected it for the cold and water with foam sheets. i had in the last winter a problem with a to cold 12v battery. i have the rocks e tekno and this version have the obd dongle and the problem with this is it is permanently on. in the summer or being connected on the grid there is no problem with it but in the winter with -10 the 12v drain that much that the rocks starts but refuses to drive after 10m because the main contractor resets because 10v. if you do this 3 to 5 times the rocks stays on and drive normally. if you charge the rocks over night no problem. now i have the battery in that foam box there is no issue with that. i cant charge at home really. normally i charge at work or over the day at home because if i charge at home the rocks stands on the street and blocking the whole street only bicycles can dive through so i have to park the rocks about 200m away on the grass but there is no way get charge. and my way tho the work is only 6km so i need to charge only every 4 to 5 days. since then i have no problems.
seriusly thinking of doing this to my smart fortwo ed I have 100km range in summer and 80 in winter, without the heater. with the heater on its more like 50km range. Although I mainly use it to comute to work for only 15km this aint a bad idea. I could rip out my airco unit since I never use it that crappy thing uses even more power then heating. Would be fun to go and fill the tank up, some people will be so confused.
Looks amazing. Plenty room behind that back panel to do that type of modification. I was thinking if there's away any heat from the main traction battery can be redirected into the interior when the vehicle is charging. e.g When the vehicle is charging you can hear the fan going - so I assume heat is being generated - Just a thought.
Routing the heat to the front may not be necessary, Check out Kiwi Ev installation. Installing a diesel heater in the Kiwi EV ruclips.net/video/7NBMq5o_UJU/видео.html
If you mount it there you'll be compromising the functionality of the crumple zone and insurance might not pay out in case of an accident, assuming you'll be using it on public roads.
thats a good point but to be honest i think there is more chance of me getting in an accident because i cant see out of the windows, and the plate should still fold, we had thought about that
@@gilburton Firstly, whatever it's classed as, if you mess with the chassis you'll get shit from insurance. Secondly, if you take a close look at the frame, you'll notice strategically placed notches and holes that ensure it folds a certain way. It's also mounted such that the energy of an impact is transferred to the strongest points of the rollcage, which is completely rigid. (you'll know if you've ever been inside one, there are no interior panels covering it up)
@@experimentalcyborgi would have thought that the diesel heater would not be strong enough to resist a crash anyway and not impede any structural crash resistance. The vehicle is a flimsy death trap anyway, compared to a normal car and i think he knew that when he bought it.
I'm so envious he's making it better
hopefully 😂
Interesting option for driving the Ami in cold weather; thanks for sharing. A few iMiev / Ion / C-Zero Kei car EV owners have installed these fuel heaters. This approach is effective in reducing the cold weather range loss.
Thanks for sharing! and for watching
I have just had an idea. If you replace the electric motor and traction battery, with a petrol engine, you could use the waste heat from the engine cooling system, to warm the cab up, then you wouldn't need a webasto diesel heater ? lol.
You could also attach a kind of compressor type thingy that would power some sort of Aircon device from that engine 😂
Brilliant, I dont know why someone hasnt thought of that before
I'm amazed there's so much unused space!
yes there is
@@MyAmiVice But the interior is very spacious; i'm thinking of buying one as a second car, for riding in and around town.
A very useful and logical idea...
The battery case can also be heated with this webasto heater and it will have a positive effect on the range.
Cold lithium reduces the charging capacity of batteries, so when you set off with a full battery, you will definitely not be able to achieve the range you see on the screen.
I think this heater should also heat the batteries..
good job dude..
we are routing the heater pipe through and over the Traction Battery so the bleed through heat from the pipe should help considerably
I agree with you that replacing the existing 12 volt battery with a larger capacity battery would be preferable if you can find one that fits.
A battery-invertor might be a possible option.
That might provide flexibility for charging the 12 volt battery from the mains or a solar panel as well as via the main high voltage battery.
Nigel of the EV Puzzle RUclips channel has tested some small battery-inverters of various sizes. Nigel was most impressed by an Allpowers brand battery which has a lot of capacity in a compact case. 😎
Thank you, i will have a look at his channel
Renogy makes good 12v batteries, I am using the 100AH on Rocks e
thankyou
ruclips.net/video/hwXENqUEH4g/видео.htmlsi=zNbpLgc-5qN1SHNp
Good idea ; the 100AH batteries are getting less expensive.
Where did you find space for the 100AH battery in the Opel Rocks?
i have still the original 12v battery in my rocks e but i protected it for the cold and water with foam sheets. i had in the last winter a problem with a to cold 12v battery. i have the rocks e tekno and this version have the obd dongle and the problem with this is it is permanently on. in the summer or being connected on the grid there is no problem with it but in the winter with -10 the 12v drain that much that the rocks starts but refuses to drive after 10m because the main contractor resets because 10v. if you do this 3 to 5 times the rocks stays on and drive normally. if you charge the rocks over night no problem. now i have the battery in that foam box there is no issue with that. i cant charge at home really. normally i charge at work or over the day at home because if i charge at home the rocks stands on the street and blocking the whole street only bicycles can dive through so i have to park the rocks about 200m away on the grass but there is no way get charge. and my way tho the work is only 6km so i need to charge only every 4 to 5 days. since then i have no problems.
Hi, did you fit a DC to DC charger between the 48v and new 12v ?
seriusly thinking of doing this to my smart fortwo ed
I have 100km range in summer and 80 in winter, without the heater. with the heater on its more like 50km range.
Although I mainly use it to comute to work for only 15km this aint a bad idea.
I could rip out my airco unit since I never use it that crappy thing uses even more power then heating.
Would be fun to go and fill the tank up, some people will be so confused.
wait and see how we get on
Looks amazing. Plenty room behind that back panel to do that type of modification. I was thinking if there's away any heat from the main traction battery can be redirected into the interior when the vehicle is charging. e.g When the vehicle is charging you can hear the fan going - so I assume heat is being generated - Just a thought.
Now it’s a hybrid
Routing the heat to the front may not be necessary, Check out Kiwi Ev installation.
Installing a diesel heater in the Kiwi EV
ruclips.net/video/7NBMq5o_UJU/видео.html
thank you, i will watch it
Instead, use 600w power station with 300w heater for 2 hours.
i like the idea of being able to preheat and set it from my phone
Shame you cant just fit a 12volt socket to it as then you can just buy a plug in heater much easier option
flattens the battery quite quickly
Or you could buy one of the little ice driven cars that have all these sort of new fangled heater thingies
If you mount it there you'll be compromising the functionality of the crumple zone and insurance might not pay out in case of an accident, assuming you'll be using it on public roads.
thats a good point but to be honest i think there is more chance of me getting in an accident because i cant see out of the windows, and the plate should still fold, we had thought about that
@@gilburton Firstly, whatever it's classed as, if you mess with the chassis you'll get shit from insurance. Secondly, if you take a close look at the frame, you'll notice strategically placed notches and holes that ensure it folds a certain way. It's also mounted such that the energy of an impact is transferred to the strongest points of the rollcage, which is completely rigid. (you'll know if you've ever been inside one, there are no interior panels covering it up)
@@experimentalcyborgi would have thought that the diesel heater would not be strong enough to resist a crash anyway and not impede any structural crash resistance. The vehicle is a flimsy death trap anyway, compared to a normal car and i think he knew that when he bought it.
Diesel electric, just needs a train horn