Andrea: "Those were all the right calls. It's your presentation that leaves something to be desired." Very tense episode. Shane is right much of the time but he is right in a way that turns people away from him. And he still thinks that he is the only protector of the group. Rick is intelligent and mature enough to understand that violence and impulsive decision making isn't always the right choice/ We are betting that the clash between Shane and Rick can't be too far off. Especially after that chilling description of Shane at the end. Whispered into Ricks ear.
Rick was Shanes boss in the Sheriffs dept. He never stopped being in charge. He is the 'authority' and regards the rest of the group as civilians. When this show first aired, the zombie genre was regarded as a bit of a joke. This show took it seriously and made it top drawer. Dump Lost (it's just confusing, silly nonsense) and do 3xTWD/week.
I think when Rick reunited with his family, him and Shane acted as the two main leaders of the group. Their opposing views (like going to the CDC vs. going to Ford Benning) and the love triangle caused a lot of tension, eventually resulting in the barn scene. Rick going along with Hershel's wishes, despite them all knowing how dangerous walkers are, made him look weak. This is the moment where Shane momentarily stands up as the leader of the group by opening the barn and killing the walkers inside. You can even see it in Rick's face as he just watches and can't do anything to stop Shane. This all changes, however, when Sophia steps out of the barn. Even Shane is hesitant to act. I believe it's at this exact moment that Rick retakes and cements his position as the sole leader of the group by stepping forward and putting down Sophia
Interesting. Shane's act of opening the barn always felt like a temper tantrum to me. I felt it endangered everyone. Both Carol and Beth nearly got bitten. To me that wouldn't seem like good leadership to others. I also feel like a number of the group had already backed Rick. Daryl definitely way back in the Vatos episode. Glenn also, I think, and those two are probably the next two important people for the survival of the group. Andrea backs Shane but frankly she shot Daryl even though everyone was basically yelling for her NOT to shoot. Yeesh.
@@marthapackard8649 Opening the barn definitely was a bit of a temper tantrum, but in the end it was the right decision. Keeping the walkers in the barn (and filling it with more of them) would be even more dangerous
He had to put Sophia down , he gave her some bs instructions , instead of saying stay here , wait her told her to go back and watch the sun over your shoulder
@@Rifi77 Putting the walkers down was absolutely the right thing to do but he did it in a fit of rage, without a plan or warning. It ended in chaos and was not leadership, the opposite in my opinion.
@@marthapackard8649 yes it definitely could’ve been done in a more planned and controlled way which is why Rick should’ve been the one to handle it because Shane’s rage is something that makes him act out
One thing I always appreciate is that you two look at both sides to arguments presented in the show and you don’t take things at face value and think about what the character truly means. Like understanding Daryl lashing out at carol is more than him being mean or your observations in past reactions. Super refreshing!
Melissa McBride is a terrific and under-rated actress. Her face and eyes can convey so much emotion, she doesn't need to say anything to let us know what she's feeling.
This is the episode where I was convinced that Lori was a useless character. I love the actor that plays her, and she has some other amazing roles in other shows (Like 'Colony'), but Lori has proven, up to this point, to be a detriment to the survival of the team. Her decision making process is flawed.
I agree completely. I also think Dale is a waste of space too. Nice fella, but he's too attached to the man he used to be and is struggling to adapt. How would he have handled the bar fight? He'd be dead and probably whoever was with him would be dead too. He needs to find his inner Shane, only problem is I dont think he has one.
In a technical sense I think the leadership thing happened when they were kids, Rick has the type of personality of someone who led. I think that he had a boisterous friend in Shane who was always talking and being cocky but more or less was loyal to Rick throughout their whole lives. It’s purely speculation as, as far as I know, we really don’t get much backstory about the two of them, but I feel like Shane has always been the number two, the muscle to ricks brain. I think the second he showed up again Shane knew Rick was going to lead again because Shane knows rick can. In fact I’d venture to guess that a part of Shane was relieved when rick showed up so he didn’t have to lead, at least until Shane began to doubt the way rick led given the current circumstances.
The difference in their personalities was given during their talk in the woods a few eps back. Shane was a player-literally and figuratively-the popular football playing jock who had the ladies lined up for a turn. Rick however was high school sweethearts with Lori and they married young.
Agreed about their personalities but not so sure Shane was relieved. Possibly because of the relationship he started with Lori and Carl I think he was more likely resentful. Although I do think he was glad that Rick was alive.
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The thing with Glenn is that he cares too much about others, and he doesn't feel comfortable doing nothing to help, it bothers him to think about himself, because he wants to be there for Rick, but having Maggie in his head he could only think in hiding in the alley, small unnecessary explanation of the scene xd
You will know the exact moment Rick REALLY becomes leader... It hasn't happened yet.. But you'll know it when you see it. It's unmistakable and unambiguous..👍😉
Daryl screaming at Carol and her taking it is a heartbreaking scene no mater how many times i see it. ...love watching you guys react ..always makes my day this is so fun
I always thought the leader roll switch was in the first season when Rick was going to risk everything he had just gained back to go rescue merle. (Like if I was part of the camp here comes this stranger that rescued everyone else trapped in the store and going back for someone 99% of the camp doesn't care about, then you got Shane who literally was going to do nothing to get those people back, I'll rather follow the guy who at least will try (someone that's in the literal shit with you)A true leader
I believe Rick became the leader when he got the out of Atlanta. Also when he choose to return to get Merle. Shane believed it's everyman for himself. Rick on a whole wanted to save people. Shane has no problem leaving a man behind, and the group realizes this pretty early on.
What you have to remember is the events of season one and season 2 happen within a period of 3 months after Rick wakes up…and 5 months into the outbreak…6 months since Rick was shot…the leadership change happens slowly…it was more of a duel leadership when Rick showed up and then after the events of the barn is when it essentially becomes Ricks group…
Love this episode and esp the scene with Daryl lashing out at carol, he felt the weight of not finding Sophia in time and Carol knew he had to get that out of his system, i think the moment she flinches Daryl realizes what he was doing and pulls back, the looks between them at that moment say everything, both have lived with abuse, and this cements their friendship imho, i love their connection
Can’t wait for you guys to see Ricks character development that started in the last episode (Nebraska). Every other character as well, but especially Rick
Ricks transfer to leadership kinda happened throughout season 1. Taking initiative to go after Merle when Shane didn't want to, convincing Jenner to open the doors when Shane would have just killed him, getting Glenn back without backlash, etc. Just a collective of things that Shane didn't really step up to do. Shane was great for immediate safety but he's impulsive. Where as Rick leads with compassion and naturally people gravitate towards that
@@neilgibson6056 for sure, I was just answering the question at hand. Though that's all I'll say to avoid spoilers incase they read. Otherwise I hadbsome to add to what you said
This is what i call reacting to something! Most people just sit and dont say anything and milk the hell out of other content, but with you guys, its so amazing, you actually think about the content you watch, and you actually react naturally, its like you add something i cant really describe to the show and its so refreshing to see. I started watching from the first episode of TWD and ill be here for the rest of it!
As far as the leadership change goes, I think it happened within the first smaller group as they escaped Atlanta. Once they got to the larger Group, which included Shane, it seemed like Rick was the one controlling the guy who kept having the death dreams, meanwhile Shane was dealing with Carol's husband, perhaps rightly but certainly overly aggressively. So for the big group I believe it was that two day period where Rick stepped up and Shane kind of lost control of himself (and also the group). This combined with Rick's wife immediately switching over her belief/faith from Shane to Rick also meant something to the group.
Good point. Plus, I forgot he bonded with Daryl, Glenn, and TDog a little on their Atlanta trip to try and save Merle. A leader needs allies to respect him and I think he gained Daryl's trust and respect on that trip in particular. I think he started becoming leader after they got back after that first walker attack and helping the dream guy while he was dyeing.
That moment at the end, where Laurie is 100% honest with Rick about Shane, as soon as they're alone after the interaction with Shane happened... That moment is the moment for me that completely redeemed Laurie for all her flaws and errors. She never did anything that you can point to and not be able to say, "She did that for her family as much as for herself. She did the right thing by her family."
I loved and feared the Rick that awoke around this point in the series. Andrew Lincoln plays him so well and just has these great facial expressions. Also absolutely love badass Hershel and the growing relationship between Daryl and Carol. These two are some of my absolute favourites when they're on screen together. Looking forward to the next episode on Sunday. Love you guys!
Think the switch in leadership started when Rick locked up merle on the roof then had the guts idea, then risked going back for merle .... Made small different parts of the group like/respect him
I genuinely can't wait till you guys react to "18 Miles Out" and "Better Angels" - even to this day, "Better Angels" is my favourite episode of TV i've ever watched.
A lot of people complain that the second season is "slow", but considering they had to create double the episodes of the first season with the same budget as the first.... I'd say they did very well. They took advantage of the lack of action by focusing on character development.
I think that the moment Rick became the leader was after the barn. Shane was contender - and for a moment, the group listened to him to raid the barn. But then they all saw that he couldn’t deal with the consequences of that action because he couldn’t finish off the little girl. Rick had to do it himself. At that point, it was clear who was in charge.
I just thought Rick was the sheriff and Shane his deputy in life before zombies came along. Rick seemed the natural leader once reunited with his family.
I always felt like the transfer of leadership was happening in this whole season. I always felt like the constant conflict between Rick and Shane was that struggle for leadership.
Awesome reaction and episode.. ahh, lori planting seeds to Rick. And yes, I love daryl and carol interacting.. I kinda felt when daryl was telling carol she had no husband, no kid, she was all alone was him reflecting on himself too, as he feels all alone .. can’t wait for the next episode!
Nice reaction and breakdown. It’s been fun revisiting this show with you guys. I watched every episode the day it aired up to the 9th season and this is one of my favorite shows of all time. I was 12 when it first came out so it’s cool to go back and catch all the stuff I missed or was too young to understand. Cheers guys and get ready for the next crazy episode
I had the same thought too… When did the transition of leadership take place. I don’t think there was any one moment. I think it happened gradually from when Rick first joined the group. Everyone in the group could see that Rick was a natural leader, always putting himself forward making most of the decisions and so everyone else just slowly started to follow. I think when Rick and Shane were cops, Rick was mainly in charge but they both saw each other as equals but Shane just let rick take charge again in the new world and Shane playing his role as partner and support just like when they were cops. That’s how I understand it anyway! I agree, this was a great episode! Looking forward to the next one.
I enjoy your reactions because your level of perception is so great. You pick up on so much more than I did my first go-round with this show and that's fun to watch! For example, I saw Lori crash a car on an empty road with no obstructions in sight and I thought she was a total idiot, whereas you saw her as a fierce warrior looking out for her own. I didn't think that far into it. There's always another way to look at things. Thanks for sharing!
I'm getting all hyped and excited with y'all even though I know how this plays out haha. Your reactions are heavily immersive, can't wait for y'all to see certain scenes in the future
I think Carol is the first person that talks too Daryl and says she cares and builds him up, telling him he's as good as Rick and Shane. This is the episode where I did not like Lori anymore... to me the last scene she's taunting Rick turning him against Shane, she likes having two men fight over her and is pushing Rick to fight for her.... That's how I saw it. Love your reactions!!
I have watched TWD multiple times and usually have spotted everything by now. But when Rob noticed Carol flinch because of the "inner fear of her husband" I stupidly never made that connection. You should watch Carol carefully as she is one of the best characters in any show IMO.
The end convo with Lori INFURIATES me to this day…I genuinely believe Shane is a valuable asset if he can come to terms with Rick & Lori being together & not holding it against him.
Leadership, Shane vs Rick. IMO, the group just naturally gravitated towards Rick after he first got to the camp. Rick never forced his leadership on the group, he was himself & ppl just organically took to him. Also, I don’t think the group has forgotten about what Shane has done for them, but unfortunately, his recent actions & approach are overshadowing that; Andrea spells it out right to his face. I also disagree with Andrea on Shane doing MORE than Rick to save the group, I think they’ve both done their fair share. And once again, andrea just doesn’t grasp how disposable they are to Shane when it comes to Lori & Carl. I’m also under the impression that Shane didn’t care if Rick and Hershel made it back. Why would he? In his mind, that would remove the barrier to Lori & Carl being “his” and the farm being his. Carol not backing down from Daryl shows just how much stronger she’s already become AND also sticking it out bc she knew that Daryl needed to get that off his chest. Great reaction!
I agree. If I were in the group and were ever lost or in trouble I would certainly want to be with Lori or Carl. In fact, if Shane was in charge, I would never leave the group unless one of them were with me!
IDK if there was a definitive moment of transition, but it was definitely between him deciding to go after Merle to the debate over the CDC and the military base. And then that was it, Rick was leader. I think the Shane we didn't see was calm and a good leader. It was only moments of Carol's husband being a dk that we see him being aggressive and I don't think he is wrong. I think, though he did fine on his own he needs Rick to reel him in... Too bad he is falling off the deep end. I like Shane's character.
I just wanted to say I really love that you are doing 2 episodes per week now 😌😍 gotta agree, so many great character moments this episode or in the second half of the season for general
Glen realizing that he has something to live for in Maggie makes my heart hurt for him. As much as it is frustrating to see him pull away from her in this episode because of his fear of being compromised by his new sense of vulnerability it is awesome to see him grow a bit. I both hate and love Lori for what she tells Rick at the end. It is bible-truth and he needed to hear it but that determined, dead-eyed, stare on Rick's face makes me sad because you know it is a thread of the goodness that seems to be be default state being stretched to the limit and I don't want to see it snap. I don't want to see the person he becomes when that happens (but also I do, because he is glorious when filled with purpose). Great fucking show, I love watching it with you guys. Stoked we get 2 eps a week now.
Shane losing his position happened slowly, imo, the group turned to Rick one-by-one. The first ones were Daryl, Glenn and D-dog when Rick took them to get Merle. Then Dale, because Shane pointed the gun at Rick, and he felt that Shane was too dangerous to follow. Carol after Lori's speech in the forest to the others defending Rick, and Rick not giving up on trying to find Sofia. (I didn't add Carl or Lori to this list because they were Rick's family, but If I had to add them I'd say Carl was on the Rick train from the moment he knew he was alive, and Lori... I think she backed Rick up from the start, but wasn't 100% sure of him as the leader until later) Oh, and Andrea still hasn't caught on that Rick is the leader now~~
The tilting point in leadership was pretty much right after Rick got to the group. He and Shane led together somewhat, but Rick pretty much took over the moment he decided to go back for Merle. And no, the people weren't a huge fan of him calling on all the walkers in the city, but they also praised him very much for being the one to get them out of that situation as well. I think that, right off the bat, people took more of a liking to Rick than they did to Shane, because Rick is more level-headed and looking towards the future more than Shane. And people need something and someone to believe in, Rick embodies that. Shane embodies being stagnant, surviving today, but not thinking of a tomorrow. There was not clear 'takeover' in leadership, so to speak, it was just more about the group having more faith in Rick and respecting him more than they ever did with/for Shane.
You two are the best reactors! I really enjoy your analysis and thoughs about all characters. Can't wait for the next one. No no not next week, this Sunday remember😊
This really starts to build up a lot of tension. I used to be annoyed with Laurie over driving off but now I think she was thinking emotionally, that Rick was her ultimate choice not Shane, and that maybe she was still a bit afraid of Shane and what he might do to Rick since he pushed himself on her way back in the CDC. She has doubts because of Otis.
Glad to see you`re doing 2 episodes a week. You`ll need to. There`s so much material & the show is so addictive. As much as you like it now, you`ll learn to love it later. Believe or not, you haven't reached the really exciting parts yet. You may have to go up to 3 times a week. One of the best shows of the 21st century & you have the luxury of not having to wait weeks or months like we O.G. fans did.
The special effects by Greg Nicitero at the beginning with the zombie forcing its mouth threw the window was genius ,you are sooo lucky wat you have ahead of you,an I can tell its starting to blow you away ,trust me youv soo much more to come ,this is truly something else from here on in ...you better get used to scenes like them escaping the shop .this it just on a small scale the world is about to get so much bigger,the character development is amazing an youv the new cast an villains to come into it .But also remember an don't forget this it's based of a "comic book"
I love how the show does Rick becoming leader because its like it would be, its organic. Rick just starts making decisions and people either agreed with them or followed them. Often he would do stuff and others would help. His demeanor and the fact he was a cop lent creadence to it. Finally his freindship with Shane allowed the current leader at that time to respond better to him as well. Rick just keeps doing the shit. Handcuffing Merl, putting gore on them, inadvertently finding the farm refuge, when he took out Sofia walker and the two guys at the bar as well. Rick personifies it through the show consistently with continual acts of badassery. Enjoy your reactions guys.
Damn, I wish I was watching this for the first time again... This is such a great part of the show... And BTW, you are a great reactor.. You have great insight and good comments..
I think the transition happened becuz Rick came up with the plan to camouflage themselves as zombie to get out of the first predicament- then his willingness to save others without hesitation or atleast try to. Sometimes we just gravitate to natural leaders- especially if they seem to weigh out options or are seen to do things as a benefit for the group, plus originally he is more level headed. Plus he wore a sherif badge and shane was just a partner. :)
Lori pissed me off with this. She's like a snake whispering in Rick's ear. As if she wants Rick to kill Shane... We shall see the outcome of her actions. I agree Rick and Shane need to talk. Good thing Rick is civilized and not a hothead that would go off guns blazing at Shane. Vice versa... It would be bad. Anyway, so happy to see you guys more often with TWD
@@zammmerjammer Yeah I think shes genuinely scared of shane now after lying about Rick being back esp. She knows now that he won't stop coming for her and her kids and I'm sure shes worried for Ricks safety.
@@zammmerjammer She should warn her husband and he is a threat. My opinion was speaking more on how she said it. She said,"You would kill to protect what's yours?" So she is implanting the idea of KILLING Shane to protect HIS family. Let's say she was truly in fear of Shane and outright asked Rick to kill him in order to keep all of them safe.. that comes with consequences. Keep in mind my opinion is hindsight I've seen the consequences
as far as the TWD rollercoaster goes, yall are still on the long, slow climb up the first incline, next episode you will pretty much get to the top, and then the fast drop starts. it just gets cranked up from here.
I think Rick began transitioning into leader when they left the first camp. He pretty much made the decision for the group to go to the CDC. I think Sofia sealed the deal. He was determined to find her and was calling all the shots from there on in.
Both Rick and Shane's authority initially came from their police badges. Shane's behavior in the light of his BEST FRIEND'S return from the dead... Is what started the overall authority tipping to Rick
In my opinion, Rick didn’t officially become the leader until they reached the CDC. Before they went to the CDC, Rick had to get Shane’s blessing before doing anything major, like going back for Merle, going to the CDC, etc. He went over each of those decisions with Shane first
It happened as soon as he walked up to the group and seen his family in season one. Go to that scene and it cuts to Shane. You can see his facial expression and eyes lowering to the ground. That’s a sign of submission even if we don’t realize it.
thinking about the power dynamic from season 1, I feel as though Shane was leading the group even after Rick showed up. During the campfire, Shane is the one to tell Ed the fire is too high. Once Daryl comes back and talks about looking for his brother in the city, Rick tells him he won't go alone. Shane still sees himself as the leader but that isn't the case anymore because when telling Rick going is too dangerous he gets backlash and Rick completely ignores him, with two others (Tdog and Glenn) following behind. When Rick comes back to the destroyed group to save them from the walkers, the two almost work together as co-leaders before noticing Jim has a bite later that morning. After about 3-4 days since Rick arrived, the first main power struggle happens when Rick mentions the CDC may be a smart destination to go to as they were working on a cure and is only a day or two away from the unsafe campsite. Shane brings up a valid argument that since the city was overrun the CDC probably was as well so they should try Fort Bening since they don't fully know if the military got overrun. I personally think that since the CDC was closer than the 100-mile road trip and gave hope for Jim to survive, the group just chose Rick's plan and began giving him the final say. Shane has yet to fully give up his role as leader and is fighting Rick on his decisions as a way to prove he's better. All that to say, Rick TRUELY becomes the leader at the end of season 2 when he and Shane finally reach a conclusion on their power struggle, but the group accepts him as leader after Amy and Jim's death.
Andrea: "Those were all the right calls. It's your presentation that leaves something to be desired."
Very tense episode.
Shane is right much of the time but he is right in a way that turns people away from him. And he still thinks that he is the only protector of the group.
Rick is intelligent and mature enough to understand that violence and impulsive decision making isn't always the right choice/
We are betting that the clash between Shane and Rick can't be too far off. Especially after that chilling description of Shane at the end. Whispered into Ricks ear.
The character development between s1 & s2 has been awesome. The character development come season 3.... you're not ready 😎🙌🏼
Rick was Shanes boss in the Sheriffs dept. He never stopped being in charge. He is the 'authority' and regards the rest of the group as civilians.
When this show first aired, the zombie genre was regarded as a bit of a joke. This show took it seriously and made it top drawer. Dump Lost (it's just confusing, silly nonsense) and do 3xTWD/week.
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Aint that the truth. :D
yall know none of us will be upset if yall don't wait til next week for the next episode.
Instead of back to back episodes, view "The Talking Dead" after each episode.
I think when Rick reunited with his family, him and Shane acted as the two main leaders of the group. Their opposing views (like going to the CDC vs. going to Ford Benning) and the love triangle caused a lot of tension, eventually resulting in the barn scene. Rick going along with Hershel's wishes, despite them all knowing how dangerous walkers are, made him look weak. This is the moment where Shane momentarily stands up as the leader of the group by opening the barn and killing the walkers inside. You can even see it in Rick's face as he just watches and can't do anything to stop Shane. This all changes, however, when Sophia steps out of the barn. Even Shane is hesitant to act. I believe it's at this exact moment that Rick retakes and cements his position as the sole leader of the group by stepping forward and putting down Sophia
Interesting. Shane's act of opening the barn always felt like a temper tantrum to me. I felt it endangered everyone. Both Carol and Beth nearly got bitten. To me that wouldn't seem like good leadership to others. I also feel like a number of the group had already backed Rick. Daryl definitely way back in the Vatos episode. Glenn also, I think, and those two are probably the next two important people for the survival of the group. Andrea backs Shane but frankly she shot Daryl even though everyone was basically yelling for her NOT to shoot. Yeesh.
@@marthapackard8649 Opening the barn definitely was a bit of a temper tantrum, but in the end it was the right decision. Keeping the walkers in the barn (and filling it with more of them) would be even more dangerous
He had to put Sophia down , he gave her some bs instructions , instead of saying stay here , wait her told her to go back and watch the sun over your shoulder
@@Rifi77 Putting the walkers down was absolutely the right thing to do but he did it in a fit of rage, without a plan or warning. It ended in chaos and was not leadership, the opposite in my opinion.
@@marthapackard8649 yes it definitely could’ve been done in a more planned and controlled way which is why Rick should’ve been the one to handle it because Shane’s rage is something that makes him act out
One thing I always appreciate is that you two look at both sides to arguments presented in the show and you don’t take things at face value and think about what the character truly means. Like understanding Daryl lashing out at carol is more than him being mean or your observations in past reactions. Super refreshing!
Melissa McBride is a terrific and under-rated actress. Her face and eyes can convey so much emotion, she doesn't need to say anything to let us know what she's feeling.
This is the episode where I was convinced that Lori was a useless character. I love the actor that plays her, and she has some other amazing roles in other shows (Like 'Colony'), but Lori has proven, up to this point, to be a detriment to the survival of the team. Her decision making process is flawed.
Lori, that......👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
I agree completely. I also think Dale is a waste of space too. Nice fella, but he's too attached to the man he used to be and is struggling to adapt. How would he have handled the bar fight? He'd be dead and probably whoever was with him would be dead too. He needs to find his inner Shane, only problem is I dont think he has one.
while i don't like lori either, i think her pointing out where shane is at and what he is may be the best thing she could actually do honestly.
Hello people, she is pregnant. Her hormones are all over the place.
@@neilgibson6056 being pregnant makes you more emotional, not an imbecyle
In a technical sense I think the leadership thing happened when they were kids, Rick has the type of personality of someone who led. I think that he had a boisterous friend in Shane who was always talking and being cocky but more or less was loyal to Rick throughout their whole lives. It’s purely speculation as, as far as I know, we really don’t get much backstory about the two of them, but I feel like Shane has always been the number two, the muscle to ricks brain. I think the second he showed up again Shane knew Rick was going to lead again because Shane knows rick can. In fact I’d venture to guess that a part of Shane was relieved when rick showed up so he didn’t have to lead, at least until Shane began to doubt the way rick led given the current circumstances.
The difference in their personalities was given during their talk in the woods a few eps back. Shane was a player-literally and figuratively-the popular football playing jock who had the ladies lined up for a turn. Rick however was high school sweethearts with Lori and they married young.
Agreed about their personalities but not so sure Shane was relieved. Possibly because of the relationship he started with Lori and Carl I think he was more likely resentful. Although I do think he was glad that Rick was alive.
The zombie trying to get in the windshield was awesome. The skin on his face was peeling off while he was pushing through the glass. WOW
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The work of the legendary Greg Nicitero 🙌
@@moviemaniac7945 he’s really good at his job!!
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The thing with Glenn is that he cares too much about others, and he doesn't feel comfortable doing nothing to help, it bothers him to think about himself, because he wants to be there for Rick, but having Maggie in his head he could only think in hiding in the alley, small unnecessary explanation of the scene xd
You will know the exact moment Rick REALLY becomes leader... It hasn't happened yet.. But you'll know it when you see it. It's unmistakable and unambiguous..👍😉
Hiya, im late to the party! (The party being this reaction series)
So uh, what moment you talking about here? :D
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As the comment says, you'll know it when you see it, if you keep watching the show in chronological order..😉
@@alexcastro7339 oh well im through with the show already 😅
@@justin_g6187 the ricktatirship speech
The ricktatorship speech
Daryl screaming at Carol and her taking it is a heartbreaking scene no mater how many times i see it. ...love watching you guys react ..always makes my day this is so fun
Your reaction to Maggie hugging Glen 😂😂😂😂
I always thought the leader roll switch was in the first season when Rick was going to risk everything he had just gained back to go rescue merle. (Like if I was part of the camp here comes this stranger that rescued everyone else trapped in the store and going back for someone 99% of the camp doesn't care about, then you got Shane who literally was going to do nothing to get those people back, I'll rather follow the guy who at least will try (someone that's in the literal shit with you)A true leader
I believe Rick became the leader when he got the out of Atlanta. Also when he choose to return to get Merle. Shane believed it's everyman for himself. Rick on a whole wanted to save people. Shane has no problem leaving a man behind, and the group realizes this pretty early on.
My favorite duo with two episodes per week! Life is good 😁
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Yess! I love it!
The next episode “18 miles out” is absolutely amazing!!!
What you have to remember is the events of season one and season 2 happen within a period of 3 months after Rick wakes up…and 5 months into the outbreak…6 months since Rick was shot…the leadership change happens slowly…it was more of a duel leadership when Rick showed up and then after the events of the barn is when it essentially becomes Ricks group…
Rick was only out for just under a month, not 2, this has been confirmed
I think the transition started when Rick belted Merl in the face and handcuffed him to the roof.
Love this episode and esp the scene with Daryl lashing out at carol, he felt the weight of not finding Sophia in time and Carol knew he had to get that out of his system, i think the moment she flinches Daryl realizes what he was doing and pulls back, the looks between them at that moment say everything, both have lived with abuse, and this cements their friendship imho, i love their connection
Can’t wait for you guys to see Ricks character development that started in the last episode (Nebraska). Every other character as well, but especially Rick
Ricks transfer to leadership kinda happened throughout season 1. Taking initiative to go after Merle when Shane didn't want to, convincing Jenner to open the doors when Shane would have just killed him, getting Glenn back without backlash, etc. Just a collective of things that Shane didn't really step up to do. Shane was great for immediate safety but he's impulsive. Where as Rick leads with compassion and naturally people gravitate towards that
Their are many times in future episodes when I thought Shane was needed.
@@neilgibson6056 for sure, I was just answering the question at hand. Though that's all I'll say to avoid spoilers incase they read. Otherwise I hadbsome to add to what you said
This is what i call reacting to something!
Most people just sit and dont say anything and milk the hell out of other content, but with you guys, its so amazing, you actually think about the content you watch, and you actually react naturally, its like you add something i cant really describe to the show and its so refreshing to see. I started watching from the first episode of TWD and ill be here for the rest of it!
The Walking Dead just gets better and better and y’all’s reactions always hype me up!
As far as the leadership change goes, I think it happened within the first smaller group as they escaped Atlanta. Once they got to the larger Group, which included Shane, it seemed like Rick was the one controlling the guy who kept having the death dreams, meanwhile Shane was dealing with Carol's husband, perhaps rightly but certainly overly aggressively.
So for the big group I believe it was that two day period where Rick stepped up and Shane kind of lost control of himself (and also the group).
This combined with Rick's wife immediately switching over her belief/faith from Shane to Rick also meant something to the group.
Good point. Plus, I forgot he bonded with Daryl, Glenn, and TDog a little on their Atlanta trip to try and save Merle. A leader needs allies to respect him and I think he gained Daryl's trust and respect on that trip in particular. I think he started becoming leader after they got back after that first walker attack and helping the dream guy while he was dyeing.
That moment at the end, where Laurie is 100% honest with Rick about Shane, as soon as they're alone after the interaction with Shane happened... That moment is the moment for me that completely redeemed Laurie for all her flaws and errors. She never did anything that you can point to and not be able to say, "She did that for her family as much as for herself. She did the right thing by her family."
Yes! That little devil in the ear is always what struck me about Laurie in this episode. I never liked her, but I can understand why others do.
i never really liked her much either... much like skylar in breaking bad. lol.
@@nomchompsky2883 I get the Lori hate(I was ok with her) however I never understood the skylar hate at all.
@@torifreeman6410 i just always found her annoying.
She is still okay, Andrea is more annoying for me.
@@Lovish26 Ugh, don't even get me started on Andrea.
I loved and feared the Rick that awoke around this point in the series. Andrew Lincoln plays him so well and just has these great facial expressions. Also absolutely love badass Hershel and the growing relationship between Daryl and Carol. These two are some of my absolute favourites when they're on screen together. Looking forward to the next episode on Sunday. Love you guys!
Think the switch in leadership started when Rick locked up merle on the roof then had the guts idea, then risked going back for merle .... Made small different parts of the group like/respect him
The shift of leadership happened at the cdc and was basically official after Sophia went missing
I genuinely can't wait till you guys react to "18 Miles Out" and "Better Angels" - even to this day, "Better Angels" is my favourite episode of TV i've ever watched.
A lot of people complain that the second season is "slow", but considering they had to create double the episodes of the first season with the same budget as the first.... I'd say they did very well. They took advantage of the lack of action by focusing on character development.
"I can't use any of this footage."
You'll be saying that A LOT 😏
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@@robtrinreact2825 You need to invest in those anti-sickness pills my friend 😆
In my opinion the transfer of leadership from Shane to Rick happened when they decided to go to the CDC instead of Fort Benning
Love the Daryl-Carol-Scenes. They have a great friendship.
Lori fully embodies Lady Macbeth, whispering in Rick's ear.
I think the best thing about this is watching your reactions to character progression. Great series.
I think that the moment Rick became the leader was after the barn. Shane was contender - and for a moment, the group listened to him to raid the barn. But then they all saw that he couldn’t deal with the consequences of that action because he couldn’t finish off the little girl. Rick had to do it himself. At that point, it was clear who was in charge.
I just thought Rick was the sheriff and Shane his deputy in life before zombies came along. Rick seemed the natural leader once reunited with his family.
I can't describe how excited I am for you guys to see what's to come! I love this show, thank you for your reactions! ❤️
There it is! I've been waiting! Thanks for brightening up my week two times now.
Thank you for supporting us 🤗🤗
Technically it is 3 in 7 days
I clicked like because of Rick’s face at the end of the episode. Great reaction.
This group is the best one ever. Yes Lori is one. She is tough as touch as no would do
I can’t wait till Sunday.. when you see the next one 18 miles out .. The writing just keeps getting better. Much love 🧟♀️🧟♂️
I always felt like the transfer of leadership was happening in this whole season. I always felt like the constant conflict between Rick and Shane was that struggle for leadership.
love how invested the both of you are in the show now!! I’ve never had a show make me care about characters as much as twd LOL
We are all in on this one, character writing is really well thought out! Love it 😊
Carol & Daryl do have a good platonic Friendship 👍
Awesome reaction and episode.. ahh, lori planting seeds to Rick. And yes, I love daryl and carol interacting.. I kinda felt when daryl was telling carol she had no husband, no kid, she was all alone was him reflecting on himself too, as he feels all alone .. can’t wait for the next episode!
Nice reaction and breakdown. It’s been fun revisiting this show with you guys. I watched every episode the day it aired up to the 9th season and this is one of my favorite shows of all time. I was 12 when it first came out so it’s cool to go back and catch all the stuff I missed or was too young to understand. Cheers guys and get ready for the next crazy episode
Thank you Chris 🤗this show is aboslutely amazing:
I had the same thought too… When did the transition of leadership take place. I don’t think there was any one moment. I think it happened gradually from when Rick first joined the group. Everyone in the group could see that Rick was a natural leader, always putting himself forward making most of the decisions and so everyone else just slowly started to follow. I think when Rick and Shane were cops, Rick was mainly in charge but they both saw each other as equals but Shane just let rick take charge again in the new world and Shane playing his role as partner and support just like when they were cops. That’s how I understand it anyway!
I agree, this was a great episode! Looking forward to the next one.
I enjoy your reactions because your level of perception is so great. You pick up on so much more than I did my first go-round with this show and that's fun to watch! For example, I saw Lori crash a car on an empty road with no obstructions in sight and I thought she was a total idiot, whereas you saw her as a fierce warrior looking out for her own. I didn't think that far into it. There's always another way to look at things. Thanks for sharing!
I'm getting all hyped and excited with y'all even though I know how this plays out haha. Your reactions are heavily immersive, can't wait for y'all to see certain scenes in the future
Zero spoilers of course but the next episode is an absolute banger
The last four episodes of this season are all really damn good.
Yesssssss
I think Carol is the first person that talks too Daryl and says she cares and builds him up, telling him he's as good as Rick and Shane. This is the episode where I did not like Lori anymore... to me the last scene she's taunting Rick turning him against Shane, she likes having two men fight over her and is pushing Rick to fight for her.... That's how I saw it. Love your reactions!!
I love watching you guys react to this incredible show. Looking forward to Sunday. Peace from hot and steamy Central Iowa, USA!
Hey Jim, hope you having a nice day :)
Always look forward to your reactions. So happy there are two a week now! As the intensity keeps ramping up….
I have watched TWD multiple times and usually have spotted everything by now. But when Rob noticed Carol flinch because of the "inner fear of her husband" I stupidly never made that connection. You should watch Carol carefully as she is one of the best characters in any show IMO.
Also the effect her flinch had on Daryl. He didn't want to be that man.
@@marthapackard8649 Yeah that is true!
THIS is what I constantly love about The Walking Dead - the deep character dives and exploration. It's really great!
It's been a rough few days, Bless you two for putting out this amazing content we all get to look forward too
Hope everything will be okay Catman 🤗
My love for Rick went through the roof, I heard Nebraska is nice 😂. Even Hershel started loving Rick like a son after that.
The end convo with Lori INFURIATES me to this day…I genuinely believe Shane is a valuable asset if he can come to terms with Rick & Lori being together & not holding it against him.
Leadership, Shane vs Rick. IMO, the group just naturally gravitated towards Rick after he first got to the camp. Rick never forced his leadership on the group, he was himself & ppl just organically took to him. Also, I don’t think the group has forgotten about what Shane has done for them, but unfortunately, his recent actions & approach are overshadowing that; Andrea spells it out right to his face. I also disagree with Andrea on Shane doing MORE than Rick to save the group, I think they’ve both done their fair share. And once again, andrea just doesn’t grasp how disposable they are to Shane when it comes to Lori & Carl.
I’m also under the impression that Shane didn’t care if Rick and Hershel made it back. Why would he? In his mind, that would remove the barrier to Lori & Carl being “his” and the farm being his.
Carol not backing down from Daryl shows just how much stronger she’s already become AND also sticking it out bc she knew that Daryl needed to get that off his chest.
Great reaction!
Also, I think Glenn is struggling bc that “selfish” instinct is new to him and he needs time to process that.
I agree. If I were in the group and were ever lost or in trouble I would certainly want to be with Lori or Carl. In fact, if Shane was in charge, I would never leave the group unless one of them were with me!
IDK if there was a definitive moment of transition, but it was definitely between him deciding to go after Merle to the debate over the CDC and the military base. And then that was it, Rick was leader. I think the Shane we didn't see was calm and a good leader. It was only moments of Carol's husband being a dk that we see him being aggressive and I don't think he is wrong. I think, though he did fine on his own he needs Rick to reel him in... Too bad he is falling off the deep end. I like Shane's character.
I agree. Their are many times throughout the series when I preferred Shane over Rick!
I just wanted to say I really love that you are doing 2 episodes per week now 😌😍
gotta agree, so many great character moments this episode or in the second half of the season for general
Thank you Mrs Fahrenheit 🤍🤗
@@robtrinreact2825 🥰😘
Glen realizing that he has something to live for in Maggie makes my heart hurt for him. As much as it is frustrating to see him pull away from her in this episode because of his fear of being compromised by his new sense of vulnerability it is awesome to see him grow a bit.
I both hate and love Lori for what she tells Rick at the end. It is bible-truth and he needed to hear it but that determined, dead-eyed, stare on Rick's face makes me sad because you know it is a thread of the goodness that seems to be be default state being stretched to the limit and I don't want to see it snap. I don't want to see the person he becomes when that happens (but also I do, because he is glorious when filled with purpose).
Great fucking show, I love watching it with you guys. Stoked we get 2 eps a week now.
I’ve just gotten up to speed with ya’lls reactions, and now you post again! Yay! Love the reactions guys 🤍
Can’t wait for the next ep. I think y’all finna appreciate the next one 😤. Thanks for giving us 2 eps a week. Love hearing y’all thoughts
Guys, this reaction was absolutely amazing! Can't wait to see more!
Shane losing his position happened slowly, imo, the group turned to Rick one-by-one. The first ones were Daryl, Glenn and D-dog when Rick took them to get Merle. Then Dale, because Shane pointed the gun at Rick, and he felt that Shane was too dangerous to follow. Carol after Lori's speech in the forest to the others defending Rick, and Rick not giving up on trying to find Sofia. (I didn't add Carl or Lori to this list because they were Rick's family, but If I had to add them I'd say Carl was on the Rick train from the moment he knew he was alive, and Lori... I think she backed Rick up from the start, but wasn't 100% sure of him as the leader until later) Oh, and Andrea still hasn't caught on that Rick is the leader now~~
My favorite react series atm hope you guys do more episides a week but i know no time :P
The tilting point in leadership was pretty much right after Rick got to the group. He and Shane led together somewhat, but Rick pretty much took over the moment he decided to go back for Merle. And no, the people weren't a huge fan of him calling on all the walkers in the city, but they also praised him very much for being the one to get them out of that situation as well. I think that, right off the bat, people took more of a liking to Rick than they did to Shane, because Rick is more level-headed and looking towards the future more than Shane. And people need something and someone to believe in, Rick embodies that. Shane embodies being stagnant, surviving today, but not thinking of a tomorrow. There was not clear 'takeover' in leadership, so to speak, it was just more about the group having more faith in Rick and respecting him more than they ever did with/for Shane.
On the contrary about Shane not looking to the future. He has a kid to think about.
From now on Carol and Daryl became my favorite 😍 thanks for amazing video as always! I🥰 can't wait for sunday😁
Thanks, Karina ❤I am loving Caryl moments 🥰
I really like these reactions from you guys, hopefully it is two episodes a week for TWD . I enjoy these.
Thank you B R :) and it is
One of the guys in the bar scene played Neal in Once Upon a Time. He was one of my favorite characters.
man this makes my day thank you guys for this can’t wait for the whole series😁
Absolutely can not wait for episode 11,12 and 13. Big big episodes!
Another great reaction,if you think the walkers look good now you haven't seen nothing yet, have a wonderful weekend 😄🇨🇦
Thank you Sean, same to you 🤗
You two are the best reactors! I really enjoy your analysis and thoughs about all characters. Can't wait for the next one. No no not next week, this Sunday remember😊
I'm guessing they film em back to back.
YES more videos every day I love It
This really starts to build up a lot of tension. I used to be annoyed with Laurie over driving off but now I think she was thinking emotionally, that Rick was her ultimate choice not Shane, and that maybe she was still a bit afraid of Shane and what he might do to Rick since he pushed himself on her way back in the CDC. She has doubts because of Otis.
Glad to see you`re doing 2 episodes a week. You`ll need to. There`s so much material & the show is so addictive. As much as you like it now, you`ll learn to love it later. Believe or not, you haven't reached the really exciting parts yet. You may have to go up to 3 times a week. One of the best shows of the 21st century & you have the luxury of not having to wait weeks or months like we O.G. fans did.
The special effects by Greg Nicitero at the beginning with the zombie forcing its mouth threw the window was genius ,you are sooo lucky wat you have ahead of you,an I can tell its starting to blow you away ,trust me youv soo much more to come ,this is truly something else from here on in ...you better get used to scenes like them escaping the shop .this it just on a small scale the world is about to get so much bigger,the character development is amazing an youv the new cast an villains to come into it .But also remember an don't forget this it's based of a "comic book"
i love your reaction. its so cool to see someone else love this show like you guys. great reactions like always
I love how the show does Rick becoming leader because its like it would be, its organic.
Rick just starts making decisions and people either agreed with them or followed them. Often he would do stuff and others would help. His demeanor and the fact he was a cop lent creadence to it.
Finally his freindship with Shane allowed the current leader at that time to respond better to him as well.
Rick just keeps doing the shit. Handcuffing Merl, putting gore on them, inadvertently finding the farm refuge, when he took out Sofia walker and the two guys at the bar as well.
Rick personifies it through the show consistently with continual acts of badassery.
Enjoy your reactions guys.
Damn, I wish I was watching this for the first time again... This is such a great part of the show... And BTW, you are a great reactor.. You have great insight and good comments..
Thank you Alex
ima just say it now, one of you guessed the correct gender of the baby
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Lol.
I think the transition happened becuz Rick came up with the plan to camouflage themselves as zombie to get out of the first predicament- then his willingness to save others without hesitation or atleast try to. Sometimes we just gravitate to natural leaders- especially if they seem to weigh out options or are seen to do things as a benefit for the group, plus originally he is more level headed. Plus he wore a sherif
badge and shane was just a partner. :)
I also LOVE Rick
If you’re getting used to long opening scenes, just wait until season 8 episode 5. That opening is like 20 damn minutes
Lori pissed me off with this. She's like a snake whispering in Rick's ear. As if she wants Rick to kill Shane... We shall see the outcome of her actions. I agree Rick and Shane need to talk. Good thing Rick is civilized and not a hothead that would go off guns blazing at Shane. Vice versa... It would be bad. Anyway, so happy to see you guys more often with TWD
How is she a snake? She shouldn't warn her husband about a threat in their midst?
@@zammmerjammer Yeah I think shes genuinely scared of shane now after lying about Rick being back esp. She knows now that he won't stop coming for her and her kids and I'm sure shes worried for Ricks safety.
@@zammmerjammer She should warn her husband and he is a threat. My opinion was speaking more on how she said it. She said,"You would kill to protect what's yours?" So she is implanting the idea of KILLING Shane to protect HIS family. Let's say she was truly in fear of Shane and outright asked Rick to kill him in order to keep all of them safe.. that comes with consequences. Keep in mind my opinion is hindsight I've seen the consequences
as far as the TWD rollercoaster goes, yall are still on the long, slow climb up the first incline, next episode you will pretty much get to the top, and then the fast drop starts. it just gets cranked up from here.
wow I forgot about that ending. The quick-draw scene was amazing, but the ending ... chills!
I think Rick began transitioning into leader when they left the first camp. He pretty much
made the decision for the group to go to the CDC. I think Sofia sealed the deal. He was determined to find her and was calling all the shots from there on in.
Both Rick and Shane's authority initially came from their police badges. Shane's behavior in the light of his BEST FRIEND'S return from the dead... Is what started the overall authority tipping to Rick
Been looking forward to this! Loving watching along with you guys and hearing your reactions / feedback. Makes me really miss classic TWD.
Always felt transition was Rick recruiting and going back for Merle. Shane was ready to abandon a half dozen. Basically when Rick drove up lol.
The next episode is one of my favorites of the entire season and possibly the entire show can’t wait to see you react to it
In my opinion, Rick didn’t officially become the leader until they reached the CDC. Before they went to the CDC, Rick had to get Shane’s blessing before doing anything major, like going back for Merle, going to the CDC, etc. He went over each of those decisions with Shane first
It happened as soon as he walked up to the group and seen his family in season one. Go to that scene and it cuts to Shane. You can see his facial expression and eyes lowering to the ground. That’s a sign of submission even if we don’t realize it.
remember that look in ricks face remember it.
thinking about the power dynamic from season 1, I feel as though Shane was leading the group even after Rick showed up. During the campfire, Shane is the one to tell Ed the fire is too high. Once Daryl comes back and talks about looking for his brother in the city, Rick tells him he won't go alone. Shane still sees himself as the leader but that isn't the case anymore because when telling Rick going is too dangerous he gets backlash and Rick completely ignores him, with two others (Tdog and Glenn) following behind. When Rick comes back to the destroyed group to save them from the walkers, the two almost work together as co-leaders before noticing Jim has a bite later that morning. After about 3-4 days since Rick arrived, the first main power struggle happens when Rick mentions the CDC may be a smart destination to go to as they were working on a cure and is only a day or two away from the unsafe campsite. Shane brings up a valid argument that since the city was overrun the CDC probably was as well so they should try Fort Bening since they don't fully know if the military got overrun. I personally think that since the CDC was closer than the 100-mile road trip and gave hope for Jim to survive, the group just chose Rick's plan and began giving him the final say. Shane has yet to fully give up his role as leader and is fighting Rick on his decisions as a way to prove he's better. All that to say, Rick TRUELY becomes the leader at the end of season 2 when he and Shane finally reach a conclusion on their power struggle, but the group accepts him as leader after Amy and Jim's death.
Dude i absolutely love these reactions