Hi Josh. It would be nice for you to do a solar package review of the best ones out there across brands. It be interesting to see what’s currently out there.
I learned somethings!! I still researching what I would need before I buy and comparing it with what I spend. I winter and summer camp, yep-24/7 365. I was thinking about just getting a fish house, but they are not set up like a regular travel trailer, and not as nice. 🙄😢
Thank you I have the 200 on mine and I am looking to upgrade to the 1200 on my zinger and again thank you watch all of your u tube videos all the time keep up the GREAT WORK
I do think there's a correlation there. This entire suite of solar packages is actually based on all the work montana did years prior coming up with their own solar offerings So I think as a result Keystone gave Montana the nod and allowed them to be the only ones with the 1200 package BUT... you can basically BUILD a 1200 pkg out of the 600 by maxxing everything out
Awesome information. Thank you 🙏 for the great 👍 video. I’m in the process of selling my house and will be starting my travel trailer life. Even though I’m in Vegas and God knows how far away, I might just end up making the trip your way. I’d love to be able to primarily boondock. It wouldn’t take long for the solar system to pay for itself.
I recently purchased a Keystone Fuzion with a Solar Flex 400 system installed. I've since learned, you cannot upgrade that system to a larger Solar Flex system such as the 1200 system. You can upgrade the batteries a little depending on the size of the battery compartment. This information came directly from Keystone who I asked for guidance on upgrading my system.
What they need to do is add more fresh water capacity for boondocking. No need to worry about running out of power if you run out of water within a couple of days.
Thank you so much !!!! This really helped narrow down the next trailer . Do to doing alot of dry camping. Solar has been a top convention with lots of friends and not knowing ware to point us.
I GO BACK AND FORTH ON ADDING SOLAR TO MY 2020 JAYCO 25.5 REOK. WE TRAVEL WITH A PAIR OF EF2200IS YAMAHA GENERATORS. WITH THE PRICE OF GAS GOING THRU THE ROOF I'M LOOKING A BIT MORE SERIOUSLY AT THE SOLAR ADDITION.
@@JoshtheRVNerd They should. I'm getting two installed for my house and with that and the solar, I should be able to run my house for 5-6 days of my "normal" electrical use. It would be great if you could get a powerwall installed into an RV, looking at the price and weight, it's actually cheaper and lighter.
Great video Josh. We have a new Cougar with the 400i and I found this video doing a search to better understand the solar system. Thank you..... sure wish I had bought my RV from you instead of a company in Alvarado, TX.
Super presentation that was HONEST. The only comment I would add is that even though Go Power inverters are excellent, Keystone should use Victron. The Victron products talk together. Especially if adding the Victron Color GX controller. The Go Power won’t allow that.
I'll have to review the video. I may not have been clear on that -- Keystone IS using Victron EXCLUSIVELY! They didn't go to JUST a supplier -- they actually worked with a completely independent 3rd party upfit company called Future Solutions to really be able to compare a huge array of potential components from nearly every supplier out there. Pound for pound I'm *really* impressed with the higher grade of hardware they've chosen here.
The Outback flex max 80 is a superior charge controller and American made. The Magnum pure sine wave inverters are also great and American made. Used industrial panels are available everywhere for as little as $.25 /watt and seldom lose more than 10% efficiency even after years in the field. Sun Electronics has a large variety of these panels. My 1.6 KW system on my RV cost me just $3,000 self installed.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yeah I think that would keep up with most people’s needs and would pair well with a “just in case” portable generator. Don’t wanna run out of juice to run the furnace and freeze a bunch of can goods and pipes. For reference I run 300 watts on a 17blse. Arizona winters look sunny, but it’s still winter which really reduces output. Late season trip here in Oregon, where it’s cloudy and colder (furnace runs a lot) 450 or 600 watts might be nice.
Pinnacle has a super solar package fairly comparable to the 1200i-L Keystone package here but I don't see it available on Seismics currently (only the overlander 2 pkg)
@@JoshtheRVNerd You would probably know more than I but I thought I saw something about tons of solar and 3000 W inverter. For 2022 that is. I find it interesting they have a ditch the Talon name and gone with seismic and seismic alpha which I think is kind of dumb because a seismic looks like the old Talon models to me anyways
@@JoshtheRVNerd saw this on the seismic page. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong unless it’s for other Jayco models “Super Solar Package- 3,000W inverter/charger with internal 50 amp transfer switch, energy management system, (6) solar panels with 200W each, (6) 100 amp/hour lithium batteries, 12V DC air conditioner in bedroom”
A summer long trip across Canada and into Alaska is on our horizon. Understanding the options and what could be provided helps determine generator size. Thanks for presenting.
As a soon to be Montana 295RL owner, Im thrilled with your fabulous work to allow your customers to make informed decisions!! My only complaint would be the need for providing $$ COST info of the expansion features for budgetary planning. I certainly hope you plan on doing detailed tutorial videos demonstrating how to set up & operate this amazing equipment to enable users to become proficient at getting the most out of their Solarflex systems..Josh you’re the Bomb!! Thank you 👍👍
TY Peter. Even since this video published costs have fluxuated. When there's money on the line I don't like the idea of "Rough Figures." No matter how often people say "yeah but I won't hold you to that" They hold you to it. So when it comes to pricing I try to recommend always investigating current pricing at the time.
I think the ONLY thing we need to see/know now.. is the price tag for each tier. For those who've never looked into it, the "SuperSolarFlex" option that Keystone introduced last year (watch the Montana Legacy Edition video that Josh put out for a full break down).. that system was $19,000 ALONE. Granted, it'd run everything, and for some reason, Keystone did NOT put a 12V fridge to it, which they are now putting in if you buy a solar package. As someone who figures I'll be, at best, boondocking for 3 to 5 days here and there, I really want a decent sized solar set up that'll keep the fridge and lights on.. and yeah.. maybe let me run my instapot too incase it rains or I just don't feel like firing up the grill. And since another manufacturer killed off the RV I had planned to purchase next summer, now I'm back to looking at the Cougars since they have a similiar floor plan (355FB), especially now that they've stepped up the ability to install solar from the factory, all of it built with the ability to expand easily. Can we get a ballpark on the cost Josh? No, I'm not going to pin you on it, and no on should, but last years sticker shock is making me a bit hesitant for next summers purchase. And dagnabbit.. we NEED video's showing us the SOUND difference in the different AC's!! (neighbors new Rockwood with the Coleman Mach-Q system is crazy quiet compared to my Mach-1 system!).. still not as quiet as the Jayco fivers that I sent you.. but it would be great to have that information as well! I'm sure you'll be seeing me soon.. I've already got upgrade fever.. I just need a bigger truck *grins*
Finally, a manufacturer understands Victron and why we all use it. Then to top it off with Battleborn batteries, icing on the cake! Great job. Thanks for this Josh!
That's not quite how those devices interact to expand capacity.. I'm not sure a towable RV even has the space or a 6000w system Perhaps I'm not following the question. Apologies if I'm off-track here
I know for a fact they're in the process of working on something for their Geo Pros that would roughly be on par with the 400-600 packages described here. It's simply not done being tested yet
@@JoshtheRVNerd great to hear, Josh! I'm not complaining with the 380 watts Go Power package with 1000w inverter from factory...especially at the current price. It has been sufficient for my needs this far. But, looking forward to seeing what they come up with!
Batteries... Typically its been EITHER a generator set OR a solar set because the batteries (plural) go in the front bay where the generator would go. So where does the battery go in (for example) the top end package? In the front passthrough storage space? Options for a second battery? This is where the energy is stored and released to the inverter, so can adding more battery (expensive, but worth it) to the system deliver that full time off grid experience?
Lithium is correct They’re not using special power saving airs or anything so “several hours” is all I can really offer It can run the ac. For a short time. Solar really can’t overcome air conditioner power draw unless you spend MAJOR money.. and a generator would be a fraction of the price at that point
As others have said, it was very nice to see a manufacturer supplied solar package that uses quality components. The only thing I would worry about is the cost of those packages. My wallet moans when I think about the cost of those bigger packages. One thing I was concerned about was the lack of an automatic battery upgrade when those larger (2,000 watt) inverters are included. What I would really like to see with those big solar packages is a change to a 24 or 48 volt DC system with DC:DC converters to supply 12 VDC for the RV. That has several advantages such as cheaper components, smaller wires and very stable 12 VDC power for the 12 volt stuff in the rig.
The 600 and 1200 packages are absolutely spendy. I won't beat around the bush. As mentioned in the video I really think the 400i package is the pound for pound winner between them all & offers excellent benefits to even basic users while also providing serious upscale potential
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks for the reply. I looked up the costs and it was about what I expected although the upgrade from the 200 to 400i actually looks like a good deal. I do like that the 200 is standard. That will be very useful particularly if it is coupled with a 12 volt Norcold fridge. As far as the cost of the bigger packages, I guess if you are buying a big Montana fifth wheel, that the upgrade cost isn't that big a deal.
I looked at a trailer yesterday and said I wanted maximum offgrid ability and I was told just get a generator.😢 and nothing will run a/c except a generator.😢
I generally agree. That’s why I mentioned it. Inverter gens are really a massively underrated option I don’t think people realize how many THOUSANDS of dollars these larger packages can cost
Thank you. I would love to know some of the basics... like on the 600i - how long with that last when the batt is fully charged? Of course it depends on usage yet specifically? Ford on their 150 generator gives clear data on that. How big and heavy are these batteries and the cost in case I wanted to get more? Can a generator charge also these batteries or can I charge them while driving off my alternator?
"how long" questions are truly unanswerable without a long conversation about how you intend to RV unfortunately. There's just too many variables to even offer a "rough estimate" timeframe. RVs even with these more advanced systems will still be charged by the vehicle thru the 7-way plug provided there's an active charge line run to it
Josh.....ive said it before but ill say it again because its so heartfelt...you are bringing such a service to all of us rv ers ....thank you.youve earned our family's business and trust through your videos.i look forward to each and everyone of your videos and the education provided.
Maaaaaasaaybe 😉 And maaaaaybe that video goes live this week And MAAAAAYBE you scan sneek peak the RV here www.haylettautoandrv.com/inventory/?keyword=3121rl
I know for a fact Rockwood has something in the mix. Forest River as a whole isn't going to do something like Keystone did here. Forest River is far more a collection of independent competitive brands that don't like one another lol It'll be individualized by each brand/group
Hey Josh, I love the videos! Could you possibly do one on how to operate the 400W Solar Flex on a Keystone Cougar 316rls 5th wheel. I have that system on my coach and no idea how the heck to work it. Keystones instructions are useless and my dealer does not have a clue either it seems.
I'm buried right now and as much as I'd like to do this I likely won't be able to. Logically your dealership needs to be providing you with this info. If they don't know how.. then someone should be learning about it considering it's not exactly new
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you for the reply Josh! I understand that you are swamped for sure. Maybe I will skip trying to call the dealership and just pull the unit in and go grab someone that has a clue. You do a great job keeping us informed for sure and it is appreciated!
So if you had an older model can solar be put in? I have so many ??'s. 😆 say I want to run ac, fridge , TV & maybe 1 light how much solar watts do you need? So many ??.
Josh I have been following you for 3 years and yet to buy my RV (Covid delayed & I am learning from you) so I dont purchase the wrong one. You have Now introduced a vid with All the Solar options I would want But...Of the models you listed which one's should I research that may compare with the Rockwood Mini Lights (1/2 towable, 2 axles)? Thanks for the great work educating us all and I still want to purchase and pickup from FL.
Cougar makes a nice set of smaller trailers that is sometimes comparable there Here’s a few samples 22MLS: m.ruclips.net/video/YEvhvT5bCSM/видео.html 22RBS: m.ruclips.net/video/DMNTCnOxiuo/видео.html
That really has nothing to do with your solar package. It has everything to do with the type of refrigerator you have and whether your vehicle has a charge line to power it in transit Generic 12 old fridge with absolutely no solar will easily accomplish what you’re seeking provided your vehicle has a charge line to help keep the battery topped off while driving
Just did some digging - this came as a surprise to me but the new series of most basic springdale and hideouts have solar/inverter prep-only Everything else still includes standard solar. I haven't covered those new offerings yet and wasn't aware they had gone that route. I'd estimate it's because that series is built around base pricing So the plugs and stuff are there if you'd like to have some added
ok so all the well and good pimping this system. but what about the down falls? as in built in problems. and can one expand there systems. say turn a 400 watt into say 800 watts. maybe pumping 24 volts down. (better for the wires) as like for me i only boon dock. only once in all my years have i paid to park someplace. (needed to say a coupe nights in reno nv--not to gamble) just not sure if the co$t is worth the return. yes i need to check and see if the unit i am interested in can handle two more panels on top. but also thinking a way of folding X number on top of my pu cab. (six if can done a specific way. again working in a 24 volt system) all solar down to including batt storage as 24 volt. then using a dc to dc converter to get down to a 12 volt for usage.
There’s no system I have found that is “ideal” for everyone but it’s great to see Mfgs trying to come up with solutions for many casual times moderate users
Josh, I really appreciate all you do. Now that I'm retired, I am definitely getting a travel trailer in the next couple of years. Your videos really help me narrow down what will be best for me. However, look between 00:26-00:30. See an issue? LOL!
This is very helpful. One question: which solarflex level will run the residential fridge that are put in the fifth wheels? And if the fridge will run off the solarflex, do you know how many hours it will take to drain the battery? Thanks :)
The 600 or 1200 version both could do that. But in terms of how long there’s no way I can really answer it. There’s just far too many variables involved in solar which is why simple questions often have no definitive answer If you’re going to Boondock that residential fridge is not the ideal option as it’s a huge consumer of power as compared to something like that to a fridge
So we just purchased the 2023 37 foot Montana... with the solarflex 200 package, Does it at least keep the Fridge running so your food doesnt spoil? do you need an inverter? NEED INFO
Great presentation josh , I really think that’s one of the best fifth wheels I’ve seen yet , been following you for the last 3 to 4 years , actually stopped by to say hi back in oct of 19 but never got the chance to meet you .
Good stuff Josh of course it rained. The subject of batterys is rough. I a tow truck driver roadside assistant an I seen batterys last a year up to 7. Very rare 7. Once a car style battery is connected it always draining but maintain properly they can last good news is as far as regular car battery goes there the cheapest part in car now a days. I recommend as far as car goes even if good Change every for years Rather then wait to be stuck there a lot of things that make batterys go bad with cars an r.v. leaving lights on over an over destroys a battery draining it completely is not good you want a battery to always be above 60 pct charge just my 2 cents I could go on for hours on this subject
Roof prepped standard Inverter Prepped Standard They have the new Overlander II Solar Kit (2-190W panels, MPPT RVC 30 amp solar controller and 1800W inverter) also available
I have a 2020 Montana with factory pre wiring on roof for solar. Will these new offerings be available for install in the kit/group form you described? Thanks again!
The roof plug on your RV basically just runs a wire down to where a charge controller could be located. You sort of have a blank slate. You could basically pick these or any panels, add a charge controller, then run the final wiring from the controller the battery
so question - does the solar charge controller replace the converter/charger? ie - does someone who has the solarflex system and wants to use a lithium battery still have to change out/upgrade the converter to a lithium compliant one?
My husband has a question after watching this video with me. He wants to know if there is a switch you have to push or flip when you want to use solar. Example he has…. If we want to use the ac do we have to flip a switch ? Then If you had to move over to generator power is there a step that has to be done on our camper to go from the solar to the generator power. We haven’t owned either before so we’re starting with little to no understanding on how they work hand in hand.
no the solar and inverter run all the time (unless you force it off) when you are not hooked to shore power. When you hook up to shore power the solar controller will just become a VERY EXSPENSIVE battery charger.
What's the pricing look like on the optional packages though? I really like the idea of the 600il it but the only pricing I've found says it's like a $20k option. On a lot of campers I just don't think it's worth adding 50% or more to the price if that's true. And you can buy a lot of generator gas for that.
Where's the video on the new Geo/E Pro package that's truly an offgrid setup. Last I heard it was going to offer lithium 270A/hr battery, 400w of solar, 2000w inverter and room to upgrade.
I believe it's called the "Nomad" project or something like that. It's still in development. I have some early info on it but there's nothing concrete to share From what I saw it will be comparable to the 600i-L package seen here
Oh Happy Day! Solar "packages" in RVs have frequently been so anemic in capabilities and performance that they've at times been marketing gimmicks and not much more. "Solar ready" same thing. Finally, real systems and real specs - and options! As others have noted, hopefully this will get the industry to provide adequate packages instead of what has been lip service extending to misleading ads/specs. This is so welcome! Appreciate you taking the time to explain all the options in detail, and especially what the systems can and cannot do. It's easy for a prospective buyer to think a small system will enable boon docking without power limitations. Thanks Josh.
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Thanks again Josh !!!👍🏼
Really a great video Nerd!!!
Hi Josh. It would be nice for you to do a solar package review of the best ones out there across brands. It be interesting to see what’s currently out there.
Great suggestion!
Nice video, Josh
I learned somethings!! I still researching what I would need before I buy and comparing it with what I spend. I winter and summer camp, yep-24/7 365. I was thinking about just getting a fish house, but they are not set up like a regular travel trailer, and not as nice. 🙄😢
Ty Josh, great info.
Awesome warranty, customer service, retains clients
💪🌞 Solar Flex! EXTREME FLEX, BROTHER! 😂
Thank you I have the 200 on mine and I am looking to upgrade to the 1200 on my zinger and again thank you watch all of your u tube videos all the time keep up the GREAT WORK
My pleasure!
Really wish they would offer the 1200 on the Raptor. I feel like more people boondock with toy haulers than anything else.
I do think there's a correlation there. This entire suite of solar packages is actually based on all the work montana did years prior coming up with their own solar offerings
So I think as a result Keystone gave Montana the nod and allowed them to be the only ones with the 1200 package
BUT... you can basically BUILD a 1200 pkg out of the 600 by maxxing everything out
Thank you so much for this information. I love your eye rolls and sense of humor. Very informative.
You are so welcome!
Awesome information. Thank you 🙏 for the great 👍 video. I’m in the process of selling my house and will be starting my travel trailer life. Even though I’m in Vegas and God knows how far away, I might just end up making the trip your way. I’d love to be able to primarily boondock. It wouldn’t take long for the solar system to pay for itself.
People have come from further
Heck - buyers in the store from California today
Informative and entertaining.
Rain rain go away. I'm suppose to generate solar today.
lol
I recently purchased a Keystone Fuzion with a Solar Flex 400 system installed. I've since learned, you cannot upgrade that system to a larger Solar Flex system such as the 1200 system. You can upgrade the batteries a little depending on the size of the battery compartment. This information came directly from Keystone who I asked for guidance on upgrading my system.
You can expand on the 400 but can’t do a direct one for one swap up to the 1200 without some serious reworking
This was very good information. Thank you for taking the time to explain what a system is and is not capable of doing.
Glad it was helpful!
What they need to do is add more fresh water capacity for boondocking. No need to worry about running out of power if you run out of water within a couple of days.
as always => Thank You - Mr. Information !!!
My pleasure!
Very good video !
Ty!!
Thank you so much !!!! This really helped narrow down the next trailer . Do to doing alot of dry camping. Solar has been a top convention with lots of friends and not knowing ware to point us.
Glad to assist!!
Great information Josh!
TY Dennis! :)
I GO BACK AND FORTH ON ADDING SOLAR TO MY 2020 JAYCO 25.5 REOK. WE TRAVEL WITH A PAIR OF EF2200IS YAMAHA GENERATORS. WITH THE PRICE OF GAS GOING THRU THE ROOF I'M LOOKING A BIT MORE SERIOUSLY AT THE SOLAR ADDITION.
You wouldn’t regret some basic similar but with those gene I wouldn’t go broke doing it
great video!
Ty
Hey, stick a Tesla powerwall into it for the battery, that will last you a while.
Somebody call Elon!
@@JoshtheRVNerd They should. I'm getting two installed for my house and with that and the solar, I should be able to run my house for 5-6 days of my "normal" electrical use. It would be great if you could get a powerwall installed into an RV, looking at the price and weight, it's actually cheaper and lighter.
Great video Josh. We have a new Cougar with the 400i and I found this video doing a search to better understand the solar system. Thank you..... sure wish I had bought my RV from you instead of a company in Alvarado, TX.
Hope it helps! Drop me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review if it’s been beneficial for you if you get the chance!
Great info uncle Josh!
Thanks for watching!
Super presentation that was HONEST. The only comment I would add is that even though Go Power inverters are excellent, Keystone should use Victron. The Victron products talk together. Especially if adding the Victron Color GX controller. The Go Power won’t allow that.
I'll have to review the video. I may not have been clear on that -- Keystone IS using Victron EXCLUSIVELY!
They didn't go to JUST a supplier -- they actually worked with a completely independent 3rd party upfit company called Future Solutions to really be able to compare a huge array of potential components from nearly every supplier out there.
Pound for pound I'm *really* impressed with the higher grade of hardware they've chosen here.
@@JoshtheRVNerd perhaps I miss understood but one of the pictures of the system had a go Power inverter. That is why the comment
@@terryhaynes1596 100% possible I grabbed the wrong visual assets which is an error on my part. It's all victron on these
Your awesome. Thanks for the info.
Glad to help!
The Outback flex max 80 is a superior charge controller and American made. The Magnum pure sine wave inverters are also great and American made. Used industrial panels are available everywhere for as little as $.25 /watt and seldom lose more than 10% efficiency even after years in the field. Sun Electronics has a large variety of these panels. My 1.6 KW system on my RV cost me just $3,000 self installed.
It will be really nice when/if entire RV roofs are solar cells.
Somebody get Elon on the phone please?
Not interested in boondocking. I'll plan ahead and make reservations.
That 600 package is excellent. I’ve seen so many stock or aftermarket systems built with junk, mismatched stuff, or underwired.
Pound for pound the 400 setup is amazing
Probably more than I would ever need myself
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yeah I think that would keep up with most people’s needs and would pair well with a “just in case” portable generator. Don’t wanna run out of juice to run the furnace and freeze a bunch of can goods and pipes.
For reference I run 300 watts on a 17blse. Arizona winters look sunny, but it’s still winter which really reduces output. Late season trip here in Oregon, where it’s cloudy and colder (furnace runs a lot) 450 or 600 watts might be nice.
Thank you Josh, this is one of the most confusing issues for me about purchasing my first RV. You've cleared many of the clouds away.
Glad to help!!
why don't the manufactures use eteranbond tape to seal the seams of roofs it last longer and resist uv.
I don’t fully know
I think because if you told someone you taped the RV seams the average person would have a heart attack
That stuff is amazing
Damn, I hate it when my campground is overlfowing 😂😂
Lol yeah yeah
I made this video in blazing time thru a lightning storm
Cut me some slack man :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd I can fat finger a keyboard with the best of them lol
@@Pteparts69 same
oh man
same
Thanks for the info
Our pleasure!!
Great info, thanks so much.
Our pleasure!!
Good info thanks!
Out pleasure! Ty for watching :)
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Basically it
I have truly enjoyed your videos! THANK YOU!
Our pleasure :)
What invertor is required for the loop, a regular inverter will not work unless it has a pass through
Can you do a video on Rockwood s nomad solar package
As soon as I can get full details, yes
Great video (as always). I was on the Jayco Seismic page……………..they’ve been seeing what Montana has been doing. Wow
Pinnacle has a super solar package fairly comparable to the 1200i-L Keystone package here but I don't see it available on Seismics currently (only the overlander 2 pkg)
@@JoshtheRVNerd You would probably know more than I but I thought I saw something about tons of solar and 3000 W inverter. For 2022 that is. I find it interesting they have a ditch the Talon name and gone with seismic and seismic alpha which I think is kind of dumb because a seismic looks like the old Talon models to me anyways
@@JoshtheRVNerd saw this on the seismic page. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong unless it’s for other Jayco models
“Super Solar Package- 3,000W inverter/charger with internal 50 amp transfer switch, energy management system, (6) solar panels with 200W each, (6) 100 amp/hour lithium batteries, 12V DC air conditioner in bedroom”
King of solar explained by the King of RV reviews. Hope you and family are having a wonderful summer.
Too kind. Ty :)
A summer long trip across Canada and into Alaska is on our horizon. Understanding the options and what could be provided helps determine generator size. Thanks for presenting.
Alaska is definitely on my bucket list, have a great trip Larry! (Jen- Josh The RV Nerds Other Intern)
You have the best info!!❤
Wow ty!
Before anybody gets too excited though, SolarFlex 600i-L price….a cool twelve thousand dollars.
As a soon to be Montana 295RL owner, Im thrilled with your fabulous work to allow your customers to make informed decisions!! My only complaint would be the need for providing $$ COST info of the expansion features for budgetary planning. I certainly hope you plan on doing detailed tutorial videos demonstrating how to set up & operate this amazing equipment to enable users to become proficient at getting the most out of their Solarflex systems..Josh you’re the Bomb!! Thank you 👍👍
TY Peter. Even since this video published costs have fluxuated. When there's money on the line I don't like the idea of "Rough Figures." No matter how often people say "yeah but I won't hold you to that"
They hold you to it.
So when it comes to pricing I try to recommend always investigating current pricing at the time.
I think the ONLY thing we need to see/know now.. is the price tag for each tier. For those who've never looked into it, the "SuperSolarFlex" option that Keystone introduced last year (watch the Montana Legacy Edition video that Josh put out for a full break down).. that system was $19,000 ALONE. Granted, it'd run everything, and for some reason, Keystone did NOT put a 12V fridge to it, which they are now putting in if you buy a solar package. As someone who figures I'll be, at best, boondocking for 3 to 5 days here and there, I really want a decent sized solar set up that'll keep the fridge and lights on.. and yeah.. maybe let me run my instapot too incase it rains or I just don't feel like firing up the grill. And since another manufacturer killed off the RV I had planned to purchase next summer, now I'm back to looking at the Cougars since they have a similiar floor plan (355FB), especially now that they've stepped up the ability to install solar from the factory, all of it built with the ability to expand easily. Can we get a ballpark on the cost Josh? No, I'm not going to pin you on it, and no on should, but last years sticker shock is making me a bit hesitant for next summers purchase. And dagnabbit.. we NEED video's showing us the SOUND difference in the different AC's!! (neighbors new Rockwood with the Coleman Mach-Q system is crazy quiet compared to my Mach-1 system!).. still not as quiet as the Jayco fivers that I sent you.. but it would be great to have that information as well! I'm sure you'll be seeing me soon.. I've already got upgrade fever.. I just need a bigger truck *grins*
Our team is always happy to get you build sheets for a cougar or Montana with current pricing on the packages for tog at the time!!
Finally, a manufacturer understands Victron and why we all use it. Then to top it off with Battleborn batteries, icing on the cake! Great job. Thanks for this Josh!
Yeah Keystone really nailed this one
Can you add a second inverter to create about 6 thousand watts
That's not quite how those devices interact to expand capacity.. I'm not sure a towable RV even has the space or a 6000w system
Perhaps I'm not following the question. Apologies if I'm off-track here
Great video! Thank you
Hopefully Rockwood/Flagstaff steps up their game soon!
I know for a fact they're in the process of working on something for their Geo Pros that would roughly be on par with the 400-600 packages described here. It's simply not done being tested yet
@@JoshtheRVNerd great to hear, Josh!
I'm not complaining with the 380 watts Go Power package with 1000w inverter from factory...especially at the current price. It has been sufficient for my needs this far. But, looking forward to seeing what they come up with!
@@snake_king Solar is tricky. Some "extended 12v time" is fairly reasonable in cost
"full function off grid" becomes very spendy very quickly
@@JoshtheRVNerd absolutely!
Great Job Keystone. Great product!
Batteries... Typically its been EITHER a generator set OR a solar set because the batteries (plural) go in the front bay where the generator would go. So where does the battery go in (for example) the top end package? In the front passthrough storage space? Options for a second battery? This is where the energy is stored and released to the inverter, so can adding more battery (expensive, but worth it) to the system deliver that full time off grid experience?
This link is a bit dated but it will answer your question m.ruclips.net/video/apeWU8CN_eU/видео.html
@@JoshtheRVNerd Ok. Thanks. I was half expecting you to come on screen dressed in 1970's hippy gear when you said it was "a bit dated" ;-)
Here in the UK most new caravans (travel trailers) and motorhomes now come with solar as standard.
It's not far from being the case here. I think more brands are going to continue expanding into the solar world
Generally, how long would a 600i package batteries (lithium right?) run one A/C? Overnight? Not even close?
Lithium is correct
They’re not using special power saving airs or anything so “several hours” is all I can really offer
It can run the ac. For a short time. Solar really can’t overcome air conditioner power draw unless you spend MAJOR money.. and a generator would be a fraction of the price at that point
As others have said, it was very nice to see a manufacturer supplied solar package that uses quality components. The only thing I would worry about is the cost of those packages. My wallet moans when I think about the cost of those bigger packages. One thing I was concerned about was the lack of an automatic battery upgrade when those larger (2,000 watt) inverters are included.
What I would really like to see with those big solar packages is a change to a 24 or 48 volt DC system with DC:DC converters to supply 12 VDC for the RV. That has several advantages such as cheaper components, smaller wires and very stable 12 VDC power for the 12 volt stuff in the rig.
The 600 and 1200 packages are absolutely spendy. I won't beat around the bush.
As mentioned in the video I really think the 400i package is the pound for pound winner between them all & offers excellent benefits to even basic users while also providing serious upscale potential
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks for the reply. I looked up the costs and it was about what I expected although the upgrade from the 200 to 400i actually looks like a good deal. I do like that the 200 is standard. That will be very useful particularly if it is coupled with a 12 volt Norcold fridge. As far as the cost of the bigger packages, I guess if you are buying a big Montana fifth wheel, that the upgrade cost isn't that big a deal.
Very nice. Are those the new Montana decals?
Yes! We were VERY pleased with the new look!
Video coming soon
Here’s a peek: www.haylettautoandrv.com/inventory/?keyword=3121rl
Can you upgrade the 1200I-L with additional panels as well?
No. Not as configured from the factory. That’s basically cranked
I looked at a trailer yesterday and said I wanted maximum offgrid ability and I was told just get a generator.😢 and nothing will run a/c except a generator.😢
Basically accurate
Even the best factory solar which is rarely available won’t run the air for long
LB for Lb, $ for $?
Yamaha 2200 watt inverter generator.
Solar is good for lights and an electric toothbrush.
I generally agree. That’s why I mentioned it. Inverter gens are really a massively underrated option
I don’t think people realize how many THOUSANDS of dollars these larger packages can cost
Thank you. I would love to know some of the basics... like on the 600i - how long with that last when the batt is fully charged? Of course it depends on usage yet specifically? Ford on their 150 generator gives clear data on that. How big and heavy are these batteries and the cost in case I wanted to get more? Can a generator charge also these batteries or can I charge them while driving off my alternator?
"how long" questions are truly unanswerable without a long conversation about how you intend to RV unfortunately. There's just too many variables to even offer a "rough estimate" timeframe.
RVs even with these more advanced systems will still be charged by the vehicle thru the 7-way plug provided there's an active charge line run to it
Josh.....ive said it before but ill say it again because its so heartfelt...you are bringing such a service to all of us rv ers ....thank you.youve earned our family's business and trust through your videos.i look forward to each and everyone of your videos and the education provided.
TY Rod. Means a lot to hear..
well.. see? lol
Good video, Yamaha makes a nice portable generator.
They certainly do. We're a certified dealer for them here. As quiet as anything else I've heard with roughly 3x the warranty
Josh is that a 2022 Montana with new graphics? It looks fantastic!
Maaaaaasaaybe 😉
And maaaaaybe that video goes live this week
And MAAAAAYBE you scan sneek peak the RV here www.haylettautoandrv.com/inventory/?keyword=3121rl
Any news on Forest River adding some extended solar packages to their line up?
I know for a fact Rockwood has something in the mix.
Forest River as a whole isn't going to do something like Keystone did here. Forest River is far more a collection of independent competitive brands that don't like one another lol
It'll be individualized by each brand/group
Have you checked out the overkill trailers at roa in utah? They do 100% solar with constant a/c use. But $ 160,000 is not my budget bracket.😢
I have not
Thanks uncle Josh!
Hey Josh, I love the videos! Could you possibly do one on how to operate the 400W Solar Flex on a Keystone Cougar 316rls 5th wheel. I have that system on my coach and no idea how the heck to work it. Keystones instructions are useless and my dealer does not have a clue either it seems.
I'm buried right now and as much as I'd like to do this I likely won't be able to. Logically your dealership needs to be providing you with this info. If they don't know how.. then someone should be learning about it considering it's not exactly new
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you for the reply Josh! I understand that you are swamped for sure. Maybe I will skip trying to call the dealership and just pull the unit in and go grab someone that has a clue. You do a great job keeping us informed for sure and it is appreciated!
So if you had an older model can solar be put in? I have so many ??'s. 😆 say I want to run ac, fridge , TV & maybe 1 light how much solar watts do you need? So many ??.
Solar has always been something that could be upfit onto existing rvs. Newer rvs have simply had some of the initial prep work done
Josh I have been following you for 3 years and yet to buy my RV (Covid delayed & I am learning from you) so I dont purchase the wrong one. You have Now introduced a vid with All the Solar options I would want But...Of the models you listed which one's should I research that may compare with the Rockwood Mini Lights (1/2 towable, 2 axles)? Thanks for the great work educating us all and I still want to purchase and pickup from FL.
Cougar makes a nice set of smaller trailers that is sometimes comparable there
Here’s a few samples
22MLS: m.ruclips.net/video/YEvhvT5bCSM/видео.html
22RBS: m.ruclips.net/video/DMNTCnOxiuo/видео.html
Solar packs sound good; are they priced good (those beyond the default base sets)? Regards.
Our team can get you build sheets with current pricing anytime by request basically if you’d like to check
I just want my fridge cold by the time I get to camp when I turn it on the day before I leave. What size would I need, thanks
That really has nothing to do with your solar package. It has everything to do with the type of refrigerator you have and whether your vehicle has a charge line to power it in transit
Generic 12 old fridge with absolutely no solar will easily accomplish what you’re seeking provided your vehicle has a charge line to help keep the battery topped off while driving
Great information, thank you
What happened to solar as standard on all keystone travel trailers? Just bought a 2024 hideout, no solar.
Just did some digging - this came as a surprise to me but the new series of most basic springdale and hideouts have solar/inverter prep-only
Everything else still includes standard solar. I haven't covered those new offerings yet and wasn't aware they had gone that route. I'd estimate it's because that series is built around base pricing
So the plugs and stuff are there if you'd like to have some added
Good information
Pricing on the various packages?
Our team can provide build sheets that include current pricing on them any time by request at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/
Thank you Josh. We always enjoy watching your videos.
Glad to have you :)
ok so all the well and good pimping this system. but what about the down falls? as in built in problems. and can one expand there systems. say turn a 400 watt into say 800 watts. maybe pumping 24 volts down. (better for the wires) as like for me i only boon dock. only once in all my years have i paid to park someplace. (needed to say a coupe nights in reno nv--not to gamble) just not sure if the co$t is worth the return.
yes i need to check and see if the unit i am interested in can handle two more panels on top. but also thinking a way of folding X number on top of my pu cab. (six if can done a specific way. again working in a 24 volt system) all solar down to including batt storage as 24 volt. then using a dc to dc converter to get down to a 12 volt for usage.
There’s no system I have found that is “ideal” for everyone but it’s great to see Mfgs trying to come up with solutions for many casual times moderate users
What’s the biggest you can get on a 26rbs cougar for a week in Utah out in the boonies.
Cougar tops out at the 600i-L factory package
Josh, I really appreciate all you do. Now that I'm retired, I am definitely getting a travel trailer in the next couple of years. Your videos really help me narrow down what will be best for me. However, look between 00:26-00:30. See an issue? LOL!
How are they pricing each of these pacakages?
About time factories started offering these kinds of upgrades.
Our team can provide current build sheets (which include pricing on these packages) any time upon request at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/
Uncle Josh, can a package like this be installed as an after-market option? What if it is not a 5th wheel?
Solar has historically been aftermarket. Stuff like this has been out for years - it was all just custom upfit work
Getting better with stock solar.
This is very helpful. One question: which solarflex level will run the residential fridge that are put in the fifth wheels? And if the fridge will run off the solarflex, do you know how many hours it will take to drain the battery? Thanks :)
The 600 or 1200 version both could do that. But in terms of how long there’s no way I can really answer it. There’s just far too many variables involved in solar which is why simple questions often have no definitive answer
If you’re going to Boondock that residential fridge is not the ideal option as it’s a huge consumer of power as compared to something like that to a fridge
@@JoshtheRVNerd That helps a lot, Josh. Thank you.
So we just purchased the 2023 37 foot Montana... with the solarflex 200 package, Does it at least keep the Fridge running so your food doesnt spoil? do you need an inverter? NEED INFO
I'm not able to offer really valuable insights without more info on which fridge you have and how you use the RV as it turns out
Great presentation josh , I really think that’s one of the best fifth wheels I’ve seen yet , been following you for the last 3 to 4 years , actually stopped by to say hi back in oct of 19 but never got the chance to meet you .
Aw lame! Next time I hope I catch you!!
Good stuff Josh of course it rained. The subject of batterys is rough. I a tow truck driver roadside assistant an I seen batterys last a year up to 7. Very rare 7. Once a car style battery is connected it always draining but maintain properly they can last good news is as far as regular car battery goes there the cheapest part in car now a days. I recommend as far as car goes even if good Change every for years Rather then wait to be stuck there a lot of things that make batterys go bad with cars an r.v. leaving lights on over an over destroys a battery draining it completely is not good you want a battery to always be above 60 pct charge just my 2 cents I could go on for hours on this subject
Yeah.. the kneebone to legbone thing.. it’s all related and complicated
Thank you for this video..... I'm planning on getting a Jayco. What can I do with a Jayco 312bhok?
Roof prepped standard
Inverter Prepped Standard
They have the new Overlander II Solar Kit (2-190W panels, MPPT RVC 30 amp solar controller and 1800W inverter) also available
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you for the information I greatly appreciate it!
I have a 2020 Montana with factory pre wiring on roof for solar. Will these new offerings be available for install in the kit/group form you described? Thanks again!
The roof plug on your RV basically just runs a wire down to where a charge controller could be located.
You sort of have a blank slate. You could basically pick these or any panels, add a charge controller, then run the final wiring from the controller the battery
Josh, Every Keystone travel trailer starting in 2022 models will have a minimum of the 200i system? Will 12v frigs be standard? TY
For clarity it’s not “200i” as the 200 has no inverter (but is often inverter ready)
And yes. That is now standard on literally every keystone RV
Which fridge is standard varies by brand
Can you spec me out a unit with 1.21GW solar and 88mph rated tires?
😂
so question - does the solar charge controller replace the converter/charger? ie - does someone who has the solarflex system and wants to use a lithium battery still have to change out/upgrade the converter to a lithium compliant one?
No. Those would still be two different things
Great and informative video, Josh.
My husband has a question after watching this video with me. He wants to know if there is a switch you have to push or flip when you want to use solar. Example he has…. If we want to use the ac do we have to flip a switch ? Then If you had to move over to generator power is there a step that has to be done on our camper to go from the solar to the generator power. We haven’t owned either before so we’re starting with little to no understanding on how they work hand in hand.
no the solar and inverter run all the time (unless you force it off) when you are not hooked to shore power. When you hook up to shore power the solar controller will just become a VERY EXSPENSIVE battery charger.
@@OmahaWayne thank you.
What's the pricing look like on the optional packages though? I really like the idea of the 600il it but the only pricing I've found says it's like a $20k option. On a lot of campers I just don't think it's worth adding 50% or more to the price if that's true. And you can buy a lot of generator gas for that.
I don't see price sheets across my desk but our team is always happy to get you some figures!
@@JoshtheRVNerd that would be nice. I'm actually thinking about trading my camper in for either a 23mls or 24rds cougar.
That was VERY informative!
:)
Nice options. Thanks for sharing.
Nice profile pic :)
Great video, I have done my own and I like your component selection.
Where's the video on the new Geo/E Pro package that's truly an offgrid setup. Last I heard it was going to offer lithium 270A/hr battery, 400w of solar, 2000w inverter and room to upgrade.
I believe it's called the "Nomad" project or something like that. It's still in development. I have some early info on it but there's nothing concrete to share
From what I saw it will be comparable to the 600i-L package seen here
@@JoshtheRVNerd That would be awesome in a mini/micro lite.
@@dougd7410 Agreed. I'm sure if it comes out on Geo, then it will become available on the rest of the rockwood "family" the next season
Oh Happy Day! Solar "packages" in RVs have frequently been so anemic in capabilities and performance that they've at times been marketing gimmicks and not much more. "Solar ready" same thing. Finally, real systems and real specs - and options! As others have noted, hopefully this will get the industry to provide adequate packages instead of what has been lip service extending to misleading ads/specs. This is so welcome! Appreciate you taking the time to explain all the options in detail, and especially what the systems can and cannot do. It's easy for a prospective buyer to think a small system will enable boon docking without power limitations. Thanks Josh.
I suspect things will continue to develop from here as well as new technologies become available and costs become less prohibitive