Ma Long has problem with hidden serves

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
  • Ma Long is weaker than hidden serve
    Is it difficult to deal with hidden serve in table tennis?
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Комментарии • 56

  • @esmolol4091
    @esmolol4091 2 месяца назад +13

    Thank you emrat for not quitting to talk about this. Umpires need to be forced to be called out more frequently.

  • @43DAEMON
    @43DAEMON 2 месяца назад +33

    This serve is 3x illegal in one serve. 1. 30 degree rule abused. 2. Hidden ball. 3. During throwing creating spin with hand 😅

    • @jeloneq7
      @jeloneq7 2 месяца назад

      Exactly. The throw angle is ridiculous, guy throws the ball from middle of the tabble to the edge of the table. This is just dumb. Not only he hides the ball, he hides racket movement aswell.

    • @RoiGamez
      @RoiGamez 2 месяца назад

      @@jeloneq7
      throwing from the middle to the edge is still possible with a near-vertical throw, if thrown high enough

  • @winmen5279
    @winmen5279 2 месяца назад +8

    btw, the rule says its not just contact, you need to not block the ball from toss to strike

  • @3dprintworld503
    @3dprintworld503 2 месяца назад +9

    Why don't we just add cameras under the side of the net post? This seems like a very easy issue to solve. If the umpire doesn't call a fault but the opponent complains, they can review the footage and determine if it was fault or not. If the opponent made a false call, then the point would be awarded to the server. If it was a fault, then the receiver.

    • @-danR
      @-danR 2 месяца назад

      How would cams added to _that_ position determine if a serve were visible _to the receiver?_
      There is only one unequivocal cam-position: line-of-sight position behind the receiver to the server. But... the server can serve from any legal place behind the table. This could lead to a risible arms-war between the server(s) and the camera-placer(s).
      The thing to do is penalize juniors rigorously when they are in local tournaments and when they are relative nobodies. Then they won't grow up to be Emmanuel Lebessons

  • @roberta4760
    @roberta4760 2 месяца назад +26

    i hate this crap people pushing the boundaries. they need to change the rules again, that the serve be completely seen easily. Maybe only do serves in front of body. These serve wins are not good for the viewers

    • @ruffeyy7893
      @ruffeyy7893 2 месяца назад +1

      the sport should be good for players i agree when considering to change the rules for a fair game but it should be the best for the player not viewer

    • @이한얼
      @이한얼 2 месяца назад

      @@ruffeyy7893 players can also be viewers....thats why the serve have to be more watchable for everyone

    • @Azazel_Woodwind
      @Azazel_Woodwind 2 месяца назад +1

      @@ruffeyy7893 dumbest take. the viewer is way more important. how do you think the sport makes money

    • @esmolol4091
      @esmolol4091 2 месяца назад

      ​@@Azazel_WoodwindDumbest comment. If it's only about money you don't need players or any sport at all.

    • @Azazel_Woodwind
      @Azazel_Woodwind 2 месяца назад

      @@esmolol4091 HAHA what?? Who said it's "only" about money. And even if it were, your brain damaged comment makes less sense than what a 9 year old could come up with

  • @asstadm1886
    @asstadm1886 2 месяца назад

    Thats why you got to toss the vertically upwards. If you dont, irrigardless you hide the ball during contact or not, you'll call the fault and may potentially lose a point

  • @morris5439
    @morris5439 2 месяца назад +2

    The player just push the serve to the boundaries that the rule allowed. Chinese players are trained not purely base on the time of contact to return a serve. It is important to keep the rule as few and simple as possible.

  • @TM-qr6we
    @TM-qr6we 2 месяца назад

    They need to get 2 more umpires to sit "behind" the table/receiving ends to see if the server indeed hides the ball during serves, so the umpires can see from the receivers perspective. This will help

  • @shogrran
    @shogrran 2 месяца назад

    I think there should be umps sitting behind the player positions on the table. If that ump is not able to see your serve, it should automatically be a let.

  • @angelatanurdzic7508
    @angelatanurdzic7508 2 месяца назад

    Thank you for this video. 👍

  • @michaelshaw2786
    @michaelshaw2786 2 месяца назад +2

    Serve issues aside, Xu played great and fearless. He made an aging Ma Long's life very difficult. Age obviously has caught up Ma who used to win the majority of rallies in his younger days but not anymore. Chinese young players, even many international players nowadays are not afraid of engaging Ma Long in long top spin rallies.

  • @DailyDoseOfTableTennis
    @DailyDoseOfTableTennis 2 месяца назад

    How can an umpire dont call a serve like this.
    I saw his match vs lin shidong and the problem was exactly the same

  • @MegaC121
    @MegaC121 2 месяца назад +1

    directly go back to 90s with legal of hidden serve is better. no agues

  • @3dprintworld503
    @3dprintworld503 2 месяца назад +2

    Isn't this the same guy that used wet balling to fool Xu Xin?

  • @MohanGhadi-h2z
    @MohanGhadi-h2z 2 месяца назад

    I think that if the service is done by hiding then as player and sportsman this is not correct i.e sportsman spirit should be maintain

  • @farhankhanzada855
    @farhankhanzada855 2 месяца назад +6

    I think there is a full team of umpires and refrees .Lets not play their role. this match is in china and china knows something about serves.

  • @teckhonghong3628
    @teckhonghong3628 2 месяца назад

    If this problem is not addressed; more players will use antis on the BH.

  • @orlandojam8
    @orlandojam8 2 месяца назад

    if MaLong can learn how to serve like XuChenhao, he will still be the #1 🎉

  • @markturner6452
    @markturner6452 2 месяца назад +8

    Both players' serves are illegible in this video.

    • @raffaelechiaromonte5805
      @raffaelechiaromonte5805 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@markturner6452 Ma Long was doing illegal server because Xu was

    • @markturner6452
      @markturner6452 2 месяца назад

      @@raffaelechiaromonte5805 I have seen Ma Long being called for illegal server twice in one match. He had the service fault calls reviewed and both times the calls by the umpire were found to be correct.

    • @Sabbath-f9k
      @Sabbath-f9k 2 месяца назад

      @@raffaelechiaromonte5805😂😂 no that’s ma long’s serves style

    • @raffaelechiaromonte5805
      @raffaelechiaromonte5805 2 месяца назад

      @@Sabbath-f9k I think that some serves are not completely legal if you watch the whole game

  • @jeffreychan1559
    @jeffreychan1559 2 месяца назад

    You tag line say ma long has problem with hidden serve n yet he is world champion

  • @ravanpee1325
    @ravanpee1325 2 месяца назад

    Just make it legal again when the rule is not enforced

  • @whliew171271
    @whliew171271 2 месяца назад +2

    thats y my club rule ONLY allow backhand serve. No other serve. Everyone happy, no more dispute. the best club in the world.

    • @lfung711
      @lfung711 2 месяца назад

      @@whliew171271 your club has underestimated those old dudes who used to do illegal service way too much
      Backhand serve technically can take more advantage then forehand by doing illegal way

    • @whliew171271
      @whliew171271 2 месяца назад

      @@lfung711 this is about integrity, be honest with serve. BH is the best, open wih dignity. this iIs not about fh or bh serve superiority. in my club i only allow honesty, despise low life serve hiding player.

    • @lfung711
      @lfung711 2 месяца назад

      @@whliew171271 my point is banning FH serve doesn’t work for the dishonest players they could still do the illegal serves. Go play in China, the majority of cheating serves in amateur level are done by BH
      Besides, I wonder how do you guys play with people from other clubs if you guys are not used to receive FH serve….

  • @hans9391
    @hans9391 2 месяца назад

    UNEHRENHAFT!!! Der Spieler muss eigentlich gesperrt werden da absolut sicher ist das dies nicht unabsichtlich war.

  • @TM-qr6we
    @TM-qr6we 2 месяца назад

    That guy playing against Ma Long is sooooo CLEARLY CHEATING!!!! He hit the ball not only behind his head but also behind his shoulder!!! Wtf!!! Call that bs!!! The worst thing is...I guarantee you, that guy knew...he knew, he was cheating!! No way he didn't know!! It was soooo obvious!! This is ruining the game!!!!

  • @alvaro26sb
    @alvaro26sb 2 месяца назад +4

    second video this month talking about illegal serves, all Chinese players perform illegal serves, almost all professional players do it, I played in the 90s, the serve could be hidden and there was not so much crying, neither in amateur nor in professional, People played much better than now, the rule was changed for television not because of the complaints of the players, just like the diameter of the ball. The rule should be less strict so that people focus on receiving those services. I think that the sport has grown but everything has gotten worse, too many complaints, slower play, too much supply of mostly poor quality material that makes people spend a fortune to try so much unnecessary offer, before the sriver was worth not half what the tenergy and they were the top thing there was. It's a shame that's where we should make videos, not on the serves, the more expensive this sport is, the less it will progress, and the more types of rubber bands there are, the more difficult it will be for people to clarify

  • @Hydadventures
    @Hydadventures 2 месяца назад

    What a cheater.. He wasn't even gonna accept that last point that hit his body... Terrible player...Ma Long goat forever

  • @YouGene-nb7hz
    @YouGene-nb7hz 2 месяца назад +1

    Bro thinks hes so good when he only uses hidden stuff to win good players. This means that he's not capable of being a good player

  • @alexegus71
    @alexegus71 2 месяца назад

    HIDDING SERVES 😡😡😡😡

  • @HakuCell
    @HakuCell 2 месяца назад +2

    the video is way too long

  • @jimmy0525
    @jimmy0525 2 месяца назад

    Wcq is way worse than Ma long

    • @TramLe-gp4vu
      @TramLe-gp4vu 2 месяца назад

      @@jimmy0525 The player played against Ma Long in this vid is Xu Xin, not Wcq

    • @zairiliskandar4310
      @zairiliskandar4310 2 месяца назад

      @@TramLe-gp4vuits xu chenhao

  • @mohongzhi
    @mohongzhi 2 месяца назад +2

    Totally give up table tennis and not watch any games. This game is a competion for dirty serve. Totally no fun and no sportsmanship in it. Table Tennis and Bedminton are dying sports. Both of them should be expelled from Olympic. Come on, 90% of the players and that blind ITTF is making less and less people love this sport.

    • @ateksudianto6237
      @ateksudianto6237 2 месяца назад

      only stupid people thin like this

    • @zairiliskandar4310
      @zairiliskandar4310 2 месяца назад +1

      long live 勾手发球 !!!

    • @michaelshaw2786
      @michaelshaw2786 2 месяца назад +3

      Totally give up, yet, you are still here...
      Every sport has its own issues, table tennis is no exception. We do the best to deal with it.

    • @mohongzhi
      @mohongzhi 2 месяца назад

      @@michaelshaw2786 Damn RUclips push me this remind me these shit in Table Tennis. Recently into playing Padel, it's so fun. And especally the rule of Padel to serve is it guarantee to give the match a neutralized start. Almost no one is benefitted in a serve.