If Planets Were Donuts

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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
  • What if planets were not (nearly) spherical but rather torus/donut shaped? Topics discussed: types of tori, stability of torus planets, gravity vs centrifugal force, curvature, tidal forces, seasons and day/night cycles, climate, hurricanes, coriolis forces, tectonics, internal heating, moons, and the four color theorem.
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    LINKS:
    ►Torus on Wikipedia: goo.gl/QbdSKA
    ►Topography of a Twisted Torus: goo.gl/zlAe3q
    ►Embedding a Torus: goo.gl/dBxHSy
    ►Torus-Earth: goo.gl/99xZXK
    ►Torus-Earth 2: goo.gl/xlK4iW
    ►Toroidal World: goo.gl/9aWjck
    ►Torus Planet Simulation: goo.gl/Esm8OX
    ►Discussion on Torus planets: goo.gl/XMLV7D
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  • @joes4866
    @joes4866 9 лет назад +1004

    I just realized how cool it would be to look up and see the other part of the planet.

    • @0Blueaura
      @0Blueaura 8 лет назад +11

      +Joseph Schmitz You never though of that before?

    • @defeatSpace
      @defeatSpace 8 лет назад +58

      +Joseph Schmitz It would be like a Halo Ring.

    • @khorps4756
      @khorps4756 8 лет назад +5

      +Joseph Schmitz me to, i never thought having rings or a torus shaped planet would be so cool, NASA, sign me up if you find one

    • @icannotchoose
      @icannotchoose 6 лет назад +51

      Me: *Calls friend* I can see your house from here!
      Friend: You've made that joke before...like 50 times

    • @BrendanCalliesComposer
      @BrendanCalliesComposer 6 лет назад +6

      Play halo

  • @kyle-silver
    @kyle-silver 8 лет назад +548

    The real question is: could you write a story that takes place on a toroidal world without inadvertently turning it into a treatise on toroidal world building?

    • @RavenclawSeer
      @RavenclawSeer 8 лет назад +19

      +Kyle Silver I would write a story on it. Not sure how though.

    • @asher1_
      @asher1_ 7 лет назад +16

      Read Pendragon book five. I'm pretty sure the sun band on eelong is because eelong is toroidal

    • @ReductioadVeritas
      @ReductioadVeritas 6 лет назад +10

      already been done but on an artificial planet

    • @someone4650
      @someone4650 6 лет назад +14

      It’d be interesting, like maybe the villain’s plot is to collapse the planet

    • @biblestudysoftware
      @biblestudysoftware 6 лет назад +2

      Kyle Silver Larry Niven did that. Forgotten which book but it starts: “Kannady for the State”.

  • @initialb5009
    @initialb5009 8 лет назад +388

    my brain hurts now, this idea is epic, why has it not been done in a movie before ?

    • @maxwellsimon4538
      @maxwellsimon4538 8 лет назад +48

      +Barry McGuigan I guess you could say the video game series Halo kinda did this.

    • @initialb5009
      @initialb5009 8 лет назад +6

      never played that, might have to have a go now..

    • @maxwellsimon4538
      @maxwellsimon4538 8 лет назад +42

      Barry McGuigan
      Just be warned, it doesn't really show up much, and its more of a giant hula hoop rather than a donut

    • @maxwellsimon4538
      @maxwellsimon4538 8 лет назад +1

      *****
      yeah, true

    • @mikaarinn
      @mikaarinn 8 лет назад +3

      +Barry McGuigan I know, right? This blew my mind :D I would so watch that movie!

  • @0Blueaura
    @0Blueaura 8 лет назад +516

    I would love to look up at sky and see the ring of city lights water and mountains

    • @rileyamato3292
      @rileyamato3292 8 лет назад +31

      +Aurora I just imagine that and my mind is blown as I stare at my imagination in wonder.

    • @asher1_
      @asher1_ 7 лет назад +1

      You wouldn't see lights, it would just be a band with no individuality.

    • @TheSupperteen
      @TheSupperteen 6 лет назад +13

      The band would be In the light so you would be able to see the city's roads with a decent telescope when it is night for you.

    • @VoidAlien
      @VoidAlien 5 лет назад

      Would make some good spying?

  • @CastorQuinn
    @CastorQuinn 9 лет назад +516

    This is an interesting video, but it fails to address the most important question about life on a toroidal world: would their donuts be toroidal or spherical?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +98

      Castor Quinn Haha...great comment!

    • @batuamparh
      @batuamparh 8 лет назад +5

      +Artifexian i dont know why you would say that much things are further needed to be explained. i think you explained it perfectly

    • @Remousamavi
      @Remousamavi 8 лет назад +28

      I can answer that:
      Their doughnuts will be pretzel shaped.

    • @Luigicat11
      @Luigicat11 8 лет назад +9

      +Castor Quinn They'd be duocylindrical.

    • @Ferkeshu
      @Ferkeshu 6 лет назад +4

      Cubical

  • @TheInselaffen
    @TheInselaffen 8 лет назад +211

    Tell us more about this planet Ert.

    • @ranshibuki9659
      @ranshibuki9659 8 лет назад +2

      +Organon I'm sorry but I had to steal that spelling of "ert" xD

    • @lumen2852
      @lumen2852 5 лет назад +2

      I'm the 69th like ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @danebradbury5940
      @danebradbury5940 5 лет назад +3

      @@ranshibuki9659 it was making fun of his pronunciation of earth

    • @MaskFaceStup1dP4nc4kes
      @MaskFaceStup1dP4nc4kes 3 года назад

      canadian english i see

  • @maxwellsimon4538
    @maxwellsimon4538 8 лет назад +181

    What if a species of Glactus-like organisms created planet sized rings of rocks, tossed them around suns, let complex life "ferment" on them and then later ate the entire planet, along with it's matured ecosystem, as a delicious afternoon snack?

    • @carsonianthegreat4672
      @carsonianthegreat4672 8 лет назад +26

      So does this mean we live in a donut hole?😳

    • @maxwellsimon4538
      @maxwellsimon4538 8 лет назад +25

      Carsonian The Great
      ...
      uh oh

    • @PedroGeaquinto
      @PedroGeaquinto 7 лет назад +6

      hahaha your profile pic is so related, that i'm laughing. a "WORLDBuILDING" video, plus a creature which consumes planets.

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 6 лет назад +4

      Mass execution of the Glactus-like organisms by the complex life.

    • @pudy2487
      @pudy2487 6 лет назад +2

      thats like leaving bread out and then eating it once it's moldy as a delicious afternoon mold snack

  • @a2rhombus2
    @a2rhombus2 8 лет назад +68

    Now I want to live on a torus

  • @notoriouswhitemoth
    @notoriouswhitemoth 8 лет назад +94

    +Artifexian This is awesome, I'm loving the idea of a world where day and night fly by almost unnoticed, where the inner rim is towering mountains, the outer rim is sparse archipelagos with stark, shearing winds, where the nights are bitterly cold and the days unbearably hot, a no-man's-land of volcanic activity between the two extremes - but you hardly mentioned the most interesting thing about toroidal planets: their non-euclidian geometry, where distance is proportional and what would otherwise be parallel lines always become concentric rings. They may have a fundamentally different understanding of how mathematics work. The geography is all well and good, but the fun part is figuring out how it would affect culture.

    • @michaeladams3762
      @michaeladams3762 5 лет назад +8

      isn't earth already non euclidean

    • @igvc1876
      @igvc1876 4 года назад +6

      Toroids have a flat Euclidean geometry, i.e., parallel lines do not intersect. Spheres are non-flat, i.e., parallel lines intersect

  • @nade5557
    @nade5557 8 лет назад +114

    what about the magnetic field?

    • @ilanzatonski8826
      @ilanzatonski8826 6 лет назад +2

      Yousef Zidane idk lol

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 6 лет назад

      Yousef Zidane. One would be possible.

    • @RavenclawSeer
      @RavenclawSeer 6 лет назад +8

      It could potentially be quite strong... If artificial...

    • @jochemgoede5759
      @jochemgoede5759 4 года назад +3

      Well, actually, I think it wouldn't be very strong, because our magnetic field is created mostly by a large mass of iron rich magma rotating in the Earth's core(I heard something about an experiment where they use a pretty huge ball of molten sodium to simulate that, which is extremely dangerous because sodium really likes to catch fire and it does even more so when in contact with water)
      Anyway, because the torus planet doesn't have that I think it wouldn't have a strong magnetic field; but idk, maybe a big ring is better than a small ball? I do think the magnetic field is most interesting in the hole

    • @smartart6841
      @smartart6841 3 года назад

      Very wierd with a hoop shaped core

  • @friend_qqqqq3709
    @friend_qqqqq3709 8 лет назад +12

    im thinking of the cultural implications for hypothetical societies on a donut world. people living on the outer rim would be absolutely stunned their first time seeing the inner rim.
    also, people living on the inner rim would be greatly impacted on their ability to look out and see the other side of the inner rim. would early civilizations think they are literally looking at where the gods live, or would they understand their world curves up and that they're just looking at more of the same, leading to an earlier understanding of outside civilizations than they would have had earlier?
    great video either way!

  • @Masterofachief
    @Masterofachief 8 лет назад +221

    the universe is huge. so there must be one of these planets out there

    • @thechaoslp2047
      @thechaoslp2047 8 лет назад +4

      Ye

    • @ldjuk9463
      @ldjuk9463 8 лет назад +18

      Plus there must be more that this universe

    • @shnitzle3094
      @shnitzle3094 8 лет назад +18

      There isn't in the observable universe. But maybe?

    • @theuncalledfor
      @theuncalledfor 8 лет назад +66

      +Shnitzle McFizzle
      Just because we haven't found one, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The observable universe is HUGE.
      Similarly, just because the universe is huge, doesn't mean one of these has to have formed naturally, or even at all. They might just be unlikely enough that they actually don't exist, or don't exist simply by chance alone.

    • @AetherMinecraft225
      @AetherMinecraft225 7 лет назад +5

      Shnitzle McFizzle Your comment kills my brain cells.

  • @LikeAMos
    @LikeAMos 9 лет назад +58

    I think that is would be such a good video if yeti dynamics made a simulation of each of the environments on a torus shaped planet.

    • @Lucas72928
      @Lucas72928 9 лет назад +1

      LikeAMos we have to make this happen.

    • @nubeees
      @nubeees 9 лет назад +1

      LikeAMos How about YES.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +12

      LikeAMos Trust me, know one wants this more than me!

    • @lock_ray
      @lock_ray 9 лет назад +1

      LikeAMos Why can I only like a comment once? That's the best idea ever!

  • @MyNameIsCain
    @MyNameIsCain 9 лет назад +26

    This is one of the most amazing concepts and videos I have ever seen. Also the most delicious planets ever.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +3

      CainGrey Cheers, buddy! Glad you enjoyed

    • @L1M.L4M
      @L1M.L4M 2 года назад

      Mmm... rock donuts...

  • @Lucas72928
    @Lucas72928 9 лет назад +29

    Would sunset and sunrise colours differ from each other? In certain places, sunlight would have to go through more atmosphere than others, so maybe at sunrise it has less atmosphere to go through than at sunset and vice versa for the other side of the planet.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +24

      LucasFlecoRepe You are correct! Sunrise/sunsets on a torus planet would feature some seriously deep reds and color gradients.

    • @Lucas72928
      @Lucas72928 9 лет назад +7

      Artifexian And the "blood moons" would also be deeper reds!

  • @Altorin
    @Altorin 6 лет назад +2

    Interesting fact - the topography of the maps indicate that old final fantasy games take place on donut worlds.
    Specifically the north of the map attaches directly to the south and west attaches directly to the east.
    Those are donut shaped maps

  • @matthewbartlett9222
    @matthewbartlett9222 8 лет назад +35

    Thank you so much for this video! As an astrophysics major, I've had no luck finding a thorough source for information and speculation about torus planets- especially one that is both reliable and so descriptive. Since you're pretty good with drawing, could you visit this concept again and perhaps make a plausible map of one, with overlaying maps of tectonic plates and biomes? Also, how big could one of these get (maybe having 1g somewhere) and still be relatively stable?

  • @Rahhelthethird
    @Rahhelthethird 4 года назад +5

    Steven Hawking: "Your theory of a donut-shaped universe is intriguing, Homer. I may have to steal it."

  • @lejink
    @lejink 8 лет назад +45

    Hope a donut world is found in my lifetime :)

    • @rainverrev2307
      @rainverrev2307 8 лет назад +17

      Probably not because all the aliens would have eaten them all.

    • @gheenarosh
      @gheenarosh 7 лет назад +2

      Rain Verrev heheheee

    • @t.gregory835
      @t.gregory835 5 лет назад +1

      I wanna eat it

    • @t.gregory835
      @t.gregory835 5 лет назад +1

      And yeet it

    • @_thisnameistaken
      @_thisnameistaken 6 месяцев назад

      It’s too bad that toroidal are impossible due to asymmetric instabilities, causing them to break up after just a few hours of existing.

  • @sizor3ds
    @sizor3ds 9 лет назад +87

    would be a pain in the ass to make a map of that planet

    • @asteroidventures2423
      @asteroidventures2423 9 лет назад +46

      Millad Bahrami actually it would be easier. You wouldn't have to deal with any projection system at the poles (in video games you often see pinched poles on planets)
      For a torus, you just unroll it into a cyllinder, then unroll the cyllinder. The only change here is that whenever you move above the "top" of your map, you would automatically appear at the bottom. Unlike a spherical map where you have to calculate where you would be on a rectangular projection.
      Just think about it, would it be easier to cut apart a soccer ball into a rectangle, or to unroll a paper towel roll?

    • @Alienturnedhuman
      @Alienturnedhuman 9 лет назад +9

      Millad Bahrami Actually, it wouldn't - a torus can be mapped to a rectangle as well, only where on a rectangular projection of a sphere one edge joins to the other (east and west on most maps of the Earth), both edges join together on the map of a torus. This means that on a rectangular map of a torus, with the bottom edge being south, the top edge would also be south, the middle would be north, and the 25% / 75% distances would be the outside / inside equators.
      However unlike maps of Earth it would be more complicated to work out distances, as both equators would appear the same size whereas the inside equator is shorter than the outside one. However, as a rectangular map of the Earth already has this problem (ie, latitudes get shorter the further away from the equator you get but appear the same length on a map) - on a torus map it would just mean that one half of the map had latitudes decreasing as you move away from the equator and the others would have it increasing, with the poles being equal in length.

    • @mbartelsm
      @mbartelsm 9 лет назад +2

      Asteroid Ventures Actually, you do need different projections for torus shaped worlds as the planet would be a 3 dimensional shape being shown in a 2D space. A rectangular projection would be one option, but then you would also have others, such as shape preserving projections and equidistant projections.
      Though I agree that mapping a torus is definitely easier than mapping a sphere

    • @durdleduc8520
      @durdleduc8520 8 лет назад

      I know!

    • @arandomlizard3411
      @arandomlizard3411 7 лет назад +6

      Also globes would be shaped like donuts so kids might eat them by accident

  • @josephduffy5423
    @josephduffy5423 8 лет назад +38

    Although the laws of physics would allow for a celestial body of such a shape to exist, definition states that an object must be spherical to be called a planet.

    • @MonteCreations
      @MonteCreations 8 лет назад +29

      +Joseph Duffy Yes but the definition of what constitutes a "planet" is kinda of vague and has been changing over time as we learn about new planets and our galaxy. If we found a such a planet, it would just mean we'd have to revisit the definition

    • @josephduffy5423
      @josephduffy5423 8 лет назад +4

      MonteCreations Fair enough

    • @natp8888
      @natp8888 6 лет назад +8

      The laws of physics seem to love occasionally breaking people's brains, huh?

    • @inverted_paradox4170
      @inverted_paradox4170 5 лет назад

      ahhh fuck, i geuss no tourtus planet for me

  • @ScottaHemi440
    @ScottaHemi440 9 лет назад +47

    ummmm donut world

  • @drjong2651
    @drjong2651 8 лет назад +4

    Only just discovered your channel, but I love it! Linguistics and astronomy are my two favourite topics. Keep it up!

  • @theorodrigues2267
    @theorodrigues2267 9 лет назад +94

    Could you do a video about the ways there could be an actual flat world, like a square, or a disc?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +40

      Theo Rodriguês I'm planning on making videos about cube planets and flat worlds. Hang in there, Theo. :)

    • @DelthinTheRanger
      @DelthinTheRanger 8 лет назад +1

      +bonbon42 ...

    • @zegamingcuber857
      @zegamingcuber857 8 лет назад +16

      +bonbon42 actually Minecraft is a flat square

    • @leedoughty1607
      @leedoughty1607 8 лет назад +1

      +AidanTBM // TheBudderMinecart but you can walk around a mc world (pc), dosnt that make it a sphere or are wormholes to blame

    • @a1frieren.
      @a1frieren. 8 лет назад +1

      +The Habinator Nu, MC wurlds r squer

  • @nielskorpel8860
    @nielskorpel8860 8 лет назад +30

    Let's talk rings, toroidal planets with rings.
    How would that work?

    • @natp8888
      @natp8888 6 лет назад +7

      I subscribe to a dot of dust in the middle.

    • @TheRedKing247
      @TheRedKing247 4 года назад

      Most likely concentric on the same plane as the toroidal planet.

    • @jamesestelle7260
      @jamesestelle7260 3 года назад

      Maybe they would be just SPRINKLED about.

    • @flatearthnews7904
      @flatearthnews7904 3 года назад

      Maybe like the moon in the video, it would look like two rings.

  • @danielkover7157
    @danielkover7157 5 лет назад +4

    Mmm...donut planets...
    Also, when you mentioned the quick days and nights, I immediately thought of Minecraft days (which seem to fly by too fast).

  • @ayaan9646
    @ayaan9646 8 лет назад +39

    Am I the only one who wanted to just grab and eat those donuts?

    • @omfgmouse
      @omfgmouse 8 лет назад +1

      +Active Ayaan Nope

    • @Hiperforteca
      @Hiperforteca 8 лет назад +1

      I just imagined Homer Simpson in Galactus' outfit xD

    • @ayaan9646
      @ayaan9646 8 лет назад

      Ashton van Niekerk that doughnut in the thumbnail, looks great!

    • @ayaan9646
      @ayaan9646 8 лет назад

      Hyper xD

    • @heyzeus9306
      @heyzeus9306 8 лет назад +1

      Mmmmmm... Donut... Nope, you are not the only one 🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩

  • @samuelkuhn4067
    @samuelkuhn4067 8 лет назад +16

    They need to add these planets in No Man's Sky.

    • @xELITExKILLAx
      @xELITExKILLAx 8 лет назад +7

      There is a lot of things that need to be added to No Man's Sky like gas giants and multiple moons worlds and binary star systems and brown dwarfs and rogue planets and giant asteroids you can land on and planets with rings and black holes and neutron stars and white dwarfs. Those are just basic stuff. Later they can get a little more advanced with a torus planet and maybe

    • @TheScabbage
      @TheScabbage 5 лет назад +1

      NMS actually uses a toroidal planet mapping scheme, that's why the terrain changes so drastically when you transition from space to land.

  • @906087
    @906087 7 лет назад +8

    Could you please do one about a tilting water world? I've read articles about how such a celestial object could exist and be habitable, but they lacked visuals.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  7 лет назад +2

      We'll see, buddy.

    • @906087
      @906087 7 лет назад

      Thank you

    • @ryanspence5831
      @ryanspence5831 4 года назад

      hold on i'm not smart enough to tell if this is a joke about earth or something else, please explain

  • @NikolajLepka
    @NikolajLepka 9 лет назад +15

    You're back!!
    A thing to note though "Centrifugal Force" doesn't actually exist.. There's a thing called the "Centripetal Force" which works in the opposite direction.
    An example:
    Say you have a rock tied to a rope, you now start swinging the rock in a big circle, faster and faster. You can feel the rock pulling harder on the rope the faster you go, as if there was a force dragging it out. This perceived force is what you call centrifugal.
    The reality is that there is no force acting outward, but rather one acting inward, one keeping the rock from flying away. If at any point during the swinging the rope were to snap, the rock would fly off in a direction perpendicular to the rope.
    What you feel in the rope is actually the rope pulling back on the rock, constantly resisting it flying away, changing its direction as it goes along.
    (I even provided an illustration: imgur.com/CgrtUB8 )
    The centripetal force translates to everything having an orbit, in the case of solar system, rather than it being a rope holding a rock in place, it's gravity (and a bigger rock). This is also why the faster a planet spins, the more it bulges in the middle, the rotation is counteracting the gravity more in the place it spins the fastest: The equator
    So in fact, on your torus diagram, you could just have left off the blue arrows, as the gravity would be what would keep the torus from falling apart; but the rotation would also be what would keep the gravity from crushing it into a sphere.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +10

      Nikolaj Lepka This is a very valid point. Thanks for the comment :)

    • @lock_ray
      @lock_ray 9 лет назад +8

      Nikolaj Lepka I keep seeing this sort of comment everywhere... Yes it's a phantom force, but it still exists, as long as you are in a rotating reference frame. If you're gonna say that centrifugal forces aren't real, then you must think the same for gravity, as in general relativity, it is nothing but a phantom force caused by the curvature of space-time.

    • @felipevasconcelos6736
      @felipevasconcelos6736 8 лет назад +1

      It's a pseudoforce, but can be treated like any other force.

    • @DeadPyro96
      @DeadPyro96 8 лет назад +1

      Right, but for the sake of simplicity it's absolutely fine to use the term centrifugal force. Hell you can even calculate it. It might be a phantom force, but it's easy to understand and explain and its completely fine to use it in a video like this.

    • @daverobson3084
      @daverobson3084 5 лет назад

      Niko L
      Excellent description.

  • @ThePremordialGod
    @ThePremordialGod 8 лет назад +1

    Curiosity led me here from SciShow. I really appreciated how in-depth you went with, well, everything. Thanks for the extra mile-worth of effort!

  • @i_teleported_bread7404
    @i_teleported_bread7404 2 года назад +1

    "Polar Rings of Fire" sounds like the coolest album ever.

  • @doom5895
    @doom5895 7 лет назад +3

    Our planet better be jelly filled

    • @sjei.
      @sjei. 5 лет назад

      magma is just superheated jelly

    • @sjei.
      @sjei. 5 лет назад

      yeah I was agreeing with you

  • @Lucas72928
    @Lucas72928 9 лет назад +24

    Would the atmosphere of the planet also be a torus?

    • @TheDemonGyro
      @TheDemonGyro 9 лет назад +5

      LucasFlecoRepe This is actually cool to think about. I feel that the atmosphere would be a torus as well because the atmosphere would follow the same gravitation and centrifugal forces as the planet itself. It might be less thick in some areas because of the complex interaction of the forces, like at the center of the donut. Not sure though.
      If there were enough atmosphere, it might touch in the lagrange point in the center so it would look more like a disc.

    • @CastorQuinn
      @CastorQuinn 9 лет назад +10

      LucasFlecoRepe There was an article in Sci Am a few years ago that said that the atmosphere on any plausible ring toroidal world would be a horn torus as spin and varying gravity would stretch the atmopshere, but that atmosphere would have different, lower density in the interior of the planet. I can't find a link to the article, sorry.

  • @salt1404
    @salt1404 8 лет назад +1

    I observe you put lots of hard work into your video, RESPECT! I don't understand how some people put crappy videos that have no work ethic into them and get hundreds of thousands of views, and you put so much work into a great video and get 23,000 views...this world is a fucked up place, only if the people that put in work actually got what they deserved, I have so much respect for you dude, keep up the great videos!

  • @JaesadaSrisuk
    @JaesadaSrisuk 8 лет назад

    Wow. A satellite orbiting a torus-shaped planet would be a truly beautiful sight when sped up. Fascinating video and subject matter!

  • @Destructowad
    @Destructowad 9 лет назад +21

    I just found this channel because of /r/interestingasfuck and was not disappointed at all. You've earned another subscriber.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +6

      Destructowad I was on /r/interestingasfuck. Wow! Can you link me? Glad you enjoyed the video. Will keep em coming :)

    • @Destructowad
      @Destructowad 9 лет назад +2

      www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/38dexb/what_if_planets_were_donut_shaped/

    • @adelineinactivity
      @adelineinactivity 7 лет назад

      lol

  • @LTAlter8
    @LTAlter8 9 лет назад +2

    I think it would be important to consider the lack of a molten spinning core, which would equate to a lack in a magnetic field. So, the solar wind would buffet away the atmosphere.

    • @ct-hv1uz
      @ct-hv1uz 9 лет назад +1

      +LTAlter Something tells me the "Core" of the world would just be a thinner torus inside. I suppose if you got it to spin rimward, you could get a magnetic field.

    • @kumbi8368
      @kumbi8368 8 лет назад +1

      The core would be within the torus itself. The inner region of the torus has a thinner crust, which allows the mantle within the torus to seep out much easily this volcanic activity at the inner rim.

    • @ct-hv1uz
      @ct-hv1uz 8 лет назад

      kumbirai muringi It would have to "roll out" from the center to generate any magnetic fields I think.

  • @_Mackan
    @_Mackan 5 лет назад +1

    I honestly thought this was gonna be a meme video, but it's not and I'm happily surprised.

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 4 года назад +1

    Fascinating. I'd always thought that it would be impossible for a planet to form into a torus and be stable.
    1:22 But there's no such thing as centrifugal force. It's an illusion due to being in a frame which is not inertial.

  • @xinterest9029
    @xinterest9029 9 лет назад +6

    Thanks SO MUCH for researching this topic for us! I was thinking about it recently, and maybe someday I'll be brave enough to build such a (delicious) toroidal world. For now, at least, I'll stick with spheroids.
    Final note: How awesome do you think it would be to find a toroid planet in real life? I think it would be a story for the ages!
    Thanks again!

  • @rileyamato3292
    @rileyamato3292 8 лет назад +6

    Could there be such thing as a torus star? I'm thinking maybe no because it's made of gas and gas doesn't really stay together that well. Although i'm also thinking it could be artificially made by a super advanced race by quickly putting all the gas together quick enough to keep it gravitationally attracted, but there would be no point in them doing that. Also this makes me question if there could be such thing as a torus gas giant.

    • @RavenclawSeer
      @RavenclawSeer 8 лет назад

      +Riley Amato Probably... if artificial with something to prevent the matter from coalescing in the center.

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 6 лет назад +1

      Riley Amato. Its not like the Taurus planet here is holding its self together due to compressive or tensile strength. Its all a ballance of gravitational forces. At the scale of a planet you can consider rocks and metals to be effectively fluid just like liquids and gas.
      To determine if a Taurus star is possible you would have to scale the math up to at least the point that fusion could occour and see if it would work on that scale.
      It would be interesting if he revisited this concept with a focus on scale. How small ciuld such a thing be without depending on the stregnth of its material? How large could it be? From giant terrestrial worlds to gas giants to stars.
      Though I believe that even this planet in the video would have the mass of at least a few earths.

  • @caityreads8070
    @caityreads8070 8 лет назад +2

    I'm sold. I've been wanting to have an interesting feature of a fantasy world for D&D for quite some time, and this is by far the most interesting concept I've seen. GG!

    • @jameswilkes6091
      @jameswilkes6091 8 лет назад +1

      +Northern Fried Chicken Good luck!
      By the way I'm interested why you have the Northern counties of England on your picture, which one are you from?

    • @caityreads8070
      @caityreads8070 8 лет назад

      James Wilkes Cheshire, the southern most of them unfortunately. That I could, I'd sooner live up in the Lake District or York.

    • @jameswilkes6091
      @jameswilkes6091 8 лет назад

      Northern Fried Chicken
      South Yorkshire here, I've always called Cumbria "The Land of the Forsaken" purely down to how miserable the weather is there, purely in jest of course. :)

  • @NickiCorset
    @NickiCorset 8 лет назад +1

    I am beyond glad this channel exists. Been needing sources for world building :)

  • @sakmannakki7294
    @sakmannakki7294 8 лет назад +3

    what about the magnetic field... where would the liquid iron core be

    • @bee5120
      @bee5120 8 лет назад +1

      It would be inside the minor radii -- in other words, inside the tube of the donut shape like a creme filled donut.

  • @magmakaj3092
    @magmakaj3092 8 лет назад +4

    what if donut world had a ring? that would be awesome to see :D

    • @alanbarnett718
      @alanbarnett718 3 года назад

      A whole bunch of rings! A giant volcano on the outside flings rocks and dust into LDO (Low Donut Orbit) where they take up ALL of the possible orbits, including the figure-of-eight one. The orbits are unstable, but the volcano keeps replenishing the rings, which shift constantly...

  • @poke-myth6534
    @poke-myth6534 3 года назад +1

    Imagine the amount of time travel you could do on this planet

  • @shroomyesc
    @shroomyesc 8 лет назад +1

    In the part about centrifugal force and stuff, it really should've been mentioned that that's why the earth is not a perfect sphere and is "fatter" at the equator, and that there is a star which is two times wider than it is long or so because of spinning.

  • @Korino
    @Korino 8 лет назад +6

    We need a toroidal planet with an 8 ring through the middle o_o

    • @guyblack172
      @guyblack172 6 лет назад

      They need to toss that in a science fiction move and let us drool.

  • @tornadomash00
    @tornadomash00 7 лет назад +3

    i would wanna live in that kind of world

  • @ri_v
    @ri_v 8 лет назад +1

    a friend linked me to your channel and i am absolutely hooked. i was honestly expecting much less detail than this, it's amazing to see the amount of work you put in to making this, so thanks for some quality content. onto the main question i have, tho - if there's an L0 at the centre of the toroid and a lower gravity in the surrounding realms, is a superstructure connecting both edges of the toroid even remotely viable? would the differences in rotational speed screw the system up..?

  • @GoldenGrenadier
    @GoldenGrenadier 6 лет назад +1

    This reminds me of the ringularity theory about black holes having a ring of infinite density at their core instead of a point.

  • @Richard_is_cool
    @Richard_is_cool 8 лет назад +13

    SciShow just made a video like yours, only worse.

    • @RavenclawSeer
      @RavenclawSeer 8 лет назад +4

      +Richard S. I wish they didn't. They didn't go into quite as much detail and dumbed it down.

    • @ChrisCrash043
      @ChrisCrash043 8 лет назад +1

      +Richard S. Actually, I'm glad they did that video.. without it I wouldn't have found this channel or at least not yet^^

    • @Richard_is_cool
      @Richard_is_cool 8 лет назад +2

      +ChrisCrash043 Yes, possibly :). Although I first saw him at Xidnaf's a day earlier.

  • @281_enijahhh2
    @281_enijahhh2 6 лет назад +13

    I only clicked this video because of the donut

  • @rarebeeph1783
    @rarebeeph1783 4 года назад +1

    What if the world was made of glazed donuts?
    You would be like: "Man, that's fuckin' sweet! I can't believe the world is made of donuts!"

  • @subscreibe_productions
    @subscreibe_productions Год назад +1

    Me: Clicks on this video
    Also me: Realizes that I want a donut because I just saw one

  • @tennicktenstyl
    @tennicktenstyl 8 лет назад +7

    There are billions upon billions of planets in that universe. Do donut planets exist?

    • @THEADVANCEDGAMERTAG
      @THEADVANCEDGAMERTAG 8 лет назад +2

      it wouldn't be possible

    • @tennicktenstyl
      @tennicktenstyl 8 лет назад

      THE ADVANCED GAMER why?

    • @THEADVANCEDGAMERTAG
      @THEADVANCEDGAMERTAG 8 лет назад +2

      For a fact, Use your tiny brain to think of common sense :)

    • @THEADVANCEDGAMERTAG
      @THEADVANCEDGAMERTAG 8 лет назад +2

      Also, A piece of rock the shape of a donut is incredibly stupid, Gravity and multiple forces would be acting upon an object creating an imperfect sphere. If there were a donut shaped planet, It would crumble and collapse to the center slowly forming a sphere due to the laws of physics, specifically gravity

    • @tennicktenstyl
      @tennicktenstyl 8 лет назад +2

      THE ADVANCED GAMER fuck you.

  • @ilittlemonster22
    @ilittlemonster22 8 лет назад +3

    What about Halo style ring world's?

    • @slinkerdeer
      @slinkerdeer 6 лет назад

      He explained already that ring shaped planets are not possible due to the thickness difference in height and depth, It would need to be built via artificial means. So, naturaly not possible, non-natural, possible with a strong enough material.

  • @crabford2338
    @crabford2338 5 лет назад +1

    Just imagine if the likelihood of life emerging from its basic compounds and perfect habitable conditions is less likely than the formation of stable torus-shaped planets and we go to space to find a quiet, lifeless universe filled with an uncomfortable amount of donuts.

    • @_thisnameistaken
      @_thisnameistaken 6 месяцев назад

      The difference is that life is allowed by the laws of physics.

  • @MGDrzyzga
    @MGDrzyzga 2 года назад

    Given the instability on geologic time scales, I'm curious about the end of a torus world:
    - Will it collapse into a sphere?
    - Or break apart into multiple worlds?
    - Does the nudge that breaks its metastability matter?
    - Timeline - here's the big one: what would it be like to live on a torus world that's ceasing to be a torus world? What sort of apocalyptic setting could I write?

  • @Ze_Taco_Guy
    @Ze_Taco_Guy 6 лет назад +4

    Sooo, Halos are possible? (From the Halo games)

    • @slinkerdeer
      @slinkerdeer 6 лет назад +3

      Provided the material you built it out of was strong enough (stronger than anything we currently know of). Then yes, it is easily possible

    • @Pheatan
      @Pheatan 6 лет назад +1

      Actually the main problem isnt strength its the ammount of material. You would need most of a planets worth of metal just to make it let alone make the sytem to rotate it to the speed for the inertial force to pkant you to the wall

    • @slinkerdeer
      @slinkerdeer 6 лет назад

      If we had discovered a material to use for the construction, then we would have access to all the limitless resources that exist in space. Also by that point we would have figured out artificial gravity. Because if we had the *knowledge* the build such a construction, we would have the ability with no doubt.

  • @OrangeC7
    @OrangeC7 7 лет назад +9

    DARN IT! Now I'm hungry again... :'(

  • @emilv.3693
    @emilv.3693 3 года назад

    Artefexian has truly mastered the art of thumbnails

  • @dilo19000
    @dilo19000 8 лет назад +1

    This sounds like it would be an amazing concept to play with.

  • @TimmacTR
    @TimmacTR 9 лет назад +3

    Good thing to know! xD
    I'm joking, this was an amazing vid actually, congrats..

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +1

      TimmacTR Cheers, buddy. :)

  • @vaughn1044
    @vaughn1044 8 лет назад +83

    It The Moon was a donut, I would steal a NASA spaceship and eat it and record of me eating moon. I probably encounter an alien eating moon.

    • @AlchemiconSilver
      @AlchemiconSilver 6 лет назад +2

      Mystical Moon Pies! Yes I had to make that joke.

    • @whydoesanyoneelserespondto7693
      @whydoesanyoneelserespondto7693 6 лет назад +3

      Mystical Well you would have metal poop.

    • @solvillamichel760
      @solvillamichel760 6 лет назад +1

      The moon is not made of cheese! I have told this to many people and they still not understand plz omg!

    • @ziyah8345
      @ziyah8345 6 лет назад

      Mystical but it's very impossible to steal a rocket. Who wouldn't notice gauge rocket taking off in the middle of the night?

    • @ziyah8345
      @ziyah8345 6 лет назад

      Sol Villa Michel it said donut

  • @RedChaosScrungle
    @RedChaosScrungle 3 года назад +1

    I wonder if the inhabitants of such a world would enjoy desserts of fried balls of dough with frosting on top.

  • @Mysteri0usChannel
    @Mysteri0usChannel 2 года назад

    Physicist here, if you want something literally "cool" to happen on the inside of the torus, either don't tilt the rotational axis at all or make it so that some of the inside is "hidden" behind the opposing half of the torus. Because, if we assume a slightly tilted axis of rotation, the "poles" would behave "normally", i.e. "just as on earth", but if you move away, towards the inner equator, you'd pass through a zone that would experience polar night half a year, and would then experience a day-night cycle with days becoming ever so slightly longer, eventually reaching a 12 hour (i.e. half cycle) day during the "summer solset" before they'd be getting shorter, while even closer to the inner equator you'd actually experience no daylight whatsoever at ALL. Because while your "half" of the torus is in the front, the daylight is obscured by the landmass between you and the sun (just light night on earth), but 12 hours later, when you are at the backside, facing towards the sun, well, the other half of the torus is obscuring its light, meaning you don't get any light AT ALL. So the warmest and brightest part of the torus inner side would be the poles, the "temperate zones" would experience polar night for half a year and slowly longer getting days not surpassing the 12 hour mark for the other half of the year, with the "tropics" never receiving any daylight whatsoever.

  • @diegovera2507
    @diegovera2507 7 лет назад +15

    centrifugal is not a force ((:
    centripetal is a force ((:

    • @wodell586
      @wodell586 6 лет назад +3

      whoa there, it's called angular momentum

    • @onemadscientist7305
      @onemadscientist7305 6 лет назад +3

      Well actually, in a rotating reference frame, centrifugal (+coriolis) forces are a thing. But some might argue that this is kind of cheating and that they're only virtual forces.

  • @paulflute
    @paulflute 8 лет назад +1

    love it..
    took me a moment to figure out why hula hoops would be made of tin..
    and i love the taurus eart.. but you also pronounce it earth sometimes..

  • @l3ete1geuse
    @l3ete1geuse 7 лет назад

    Found out about torus planets on scishow. I wanted to get more info so I googled toroid planet and this popped up. Thank you so much.

  • @hustlewithhimanshu8899
    @hustlewithhimanshu8899 3 года назад +1

    Imagine watching a river flowing above your head.

  • @LadyDeirdre
    @LadyDeirdre 5 лет назад

    Conjectural fantasy-universe stellar explorers upon discovering the doughnut world: "The local gods must have been smoking the *really* good stuff."

  • @DC-vt2ef
    @DC-vt2ef 8 лет назад

    Anders Sandberg... There's a name I've not heard since...
    Anders Mage Page, which was fantastic. He's a true genius, very happy to hear that he's still contributing.

  • @sijoule965
    @sijoule965 6 лет назад +1

    Me then: has been watching world building videos, without having any inspiration to world build
    Me now: let's get cracking

  • @connorthornberg
    @connorthornberg 4 года назад +2

    This video was really well put together, kudos! I'm loving going through all these and making my world as real and well thought out as I can.
    But it got me thinking, what about an inverted Saturn? In other words, some sort of non terrestrial body at the center that's surrounded by a terrestrial torus or "donut" shape that's solid and inhabitable. Would that be theoretically possible? If not, what is preventing that from being the case?
    Judging from this video, I'd imagine this torus would have to be spinning incredibly quickly and the body at the certain would have to be unusual in some way. Perhaps a wormhole or some other kind of space-based anomaly.

  • @Mr.Nichan
    @Mr.Nichan 3 года назад

    I feel like someone has succeed at doing the kind of crazy calculations and things I keep trying or planning to do for my worldbuilding and thinking it's a bit ridiculous that I'm trying to be so accurate.

  • @11cookeaw14
    @11cookeaw14 2 года назад

    2:51, Note that the Fluid roche limit for Earth around the sun is a distance of 1.08 million kilometers, compare the orbital distance of over 150 million kilometers. Since tidal forces scale with the inverse of the Cube of the distance, putting a Toroidal world around a sun like or slightly smaller star is fine;

  • @Zb5141
    @Zb5141 7 лет назад

    This is the greatest question anyone has ever asked.

  • @jonathanjoestar3839
    @jonathanjoestar3839 8 лет назад

    Besides the weather, a species of extremely heat - and lack of heat - resistant creatures would be amazing.

  • @cameronpearce5943
    @cameronpearce5943 6 лет назад +1

    I hope I live to see donut land discovered, or built

  • @ohboyitstheanti-spiral3978
    @ohboyitstheanti-spiral3978 7 лет назад

    Astronaut: I shall now go to space!
    *goes up*
    *hits the pacific ocean*
    Astronaut: Oh yeah, donut planet...

  • @kalez238
    @kalez238 9 лет назад

    That was pretty cool!
    While you mentioned the high winds, high is a bit of an understatement by my understanding. Something spinning that fast would most likely have crazy powerful storms all the time, making habitability difficult by normal means.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад

      ***** You're probably right. I was deliberately vague when discussing weather as I don't have climate simulation software to test out these theories. But, ye, everlasting storms would probably be a feature of such a world.

    • @kalez238
      @kalez238 9 лет назад

      Artifexian It would be interesting to see such simulations. With the right
      elevations, I'm sure you could have specific areas that created "dead
      zones" from the wind, like in the inner areas of the ring where you said
      land would experience folding.

  • @flikkeringlightz7472
    @flikkeringlightz7472 5 лет назад

    I need to watch this again because you speak so quickly that i cant follow this complicated stuff... But it sounds Amazing!!!

  • @commentor5732
    @commentor5732 2 года назад +1

    Oh I thought the Earth was a donut but I guess I learnt something new

  • @_questionmark_
    @_questionmark_ 6 лет назад

    I think the best thing about toroidal planets is maps. More specifically how if you go to the top of a map you end up at the bottom and if you go to the right you end up at the left(obviously this works vice versa).

  • @cayetanotrazonamoraldejr.2244
    @cayetanotrazonamoraldejr.2244 8 лет назад

    While watching this i imagined a donut planet that rains sugar with syrup-ish bodies of water. DELICIOUS

  • @bloodypommelstudios7144
    @bloodypommelstudios7144 4 года назад +1

    Really interesting, never considered the exotic moon orbits before.

  • @Divinemakyr
    @Divinemakyr 4 года назад

    You've convinced me. My planet is going to be a nice fat donut.

  • @tiffanyhill8864
    @tiffanyhill8864 5 лет назад

    Nobody:
    Artifexian: *WHAT IF ALL THE PLANETS WERE DONUTS*

  • @rainverrev2307
    @rainverrev2307 8 лет назад

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  • @CZPC
    @CZPC 8 лет назад +1

    This is really intresting. I was wierded out by the title because I didnt know donut type planets existed. Hopefully when we meet ailens they would live on one of these.

    • @jameswilkes6091
      @jameswilkes6091 8 лет назад +1

      +DragonOnZap23 They can't exist naturally, the video said so. If there ever was one it'd have to be artificial, and that would need an inordinate amount of scientific knowledge and resources.

  • @Lucas72928
    @Lucas72928 9 лет назад

    It's really cool to see how many comments you reply to. Keep up the good work!

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  9 лет назад +2

      LucasFlecoRepe I try my best.

  • @JOVAHK11N
    @JOVAHK11N Год назад

    I think this video hit the sweetspot on Interesting while having an engaging runtime.

  • @shapooopiefour7173
    @shapooopiefour7173 3 года назад +1

    What if you made the planet absolutely massive to the point where days were 24 hours?
    Edit: that’s probably crush all life. Would making it bigger even work, since you’d have to increase rotation?

  • @KuraIthys
    @KuraIthys 5 лет назад

    Exoconfectionry. Now there's a word I wasn't prepared for. XD

  • @ManintheArmor
    @ManintheArmor 8 лет назад +1

    I think these donut worlds would degenerate to cookie worlds before edging towards something more ovular or spherical. After all, so long as there's sufficient rotational energy there will be a tendency for a degree of flatness, or two-dimensionality.

  • @retak4110
    @retak4110 8 лет назад +1

    Well, centrifugal force IS a force applied to a body, although it's inertia viewed from the outside the mass receives it as centrifugal force.

  • @mitchellbrown5846
    @mitchellbrown5846 8 лет назад +1

    You should do a video about twin habitable planets. I'm curious as to how it would work.

  • @asav8541
    @asav8541 7 лет назад

    Best "what if" video I've ever seen so far