You are wrong- there are 2023 and 2024 failures. The reason you are seeing so many 22 models is because they have more miles on the bearing. Just wait 3 years and 36k miles and you will see how many 2024 trucks join the crowd!!
So basically you already paid for an extra engine when you bought the truck.Toyota knows what they're doing. $35k for the "fix" which is just the same thing that will fail again and $30 more expensive than the previous generation Tundra.
This is what happens when you replace dependable , normally aspirated motors with unproven turbocharged junk. As a professional mechanic with fifty years of experience I will never buy a turbocharged vehicle. They are almost all oil burning, sludge making , fast wearing junk IMO.
@@mannypuerta5086 A lot different from a small turbocharged four cylinder gas engine. Most Industrial turbo diesel engines are designed to last a million miles or more. Most turbo 4 cylinder gas engines designed for passenger car and small suv use are designed to last as long as the warranty ends and are usually burning oil by that time.
@@Huey4214You produced possibly the most ignorant comment to this video. The 4 cylinder turbo has now been produced by every single manufacturer from Ford to Porsche to Mercedes. You want to lump them all together and then you back off. Just don't do it! Not smart! They are not all the same nor do they all burn oil. Educate yourself.
An absolute disaster. Even the best technician won’t get this back together in factory condition. This would be like getting a post accident rebuilt vehicle.
anyone defending this is a clown. if this was gm ford or fca everyone would be pointing and laughing. ever since the new ceo came in they went downhill just wait till they become complete garbage
Toyota Trucks are over priced from the start. 2024 Taco's are having issues with engine and transmission problems and some have failed rear differentials.
I am not defending the new CEO, however, the new Tundra design probably started in the 2020 or even earlier, The new CEO was not even there. I think he took over in 2023 if I am not mistaken.... non the less, I agree with you...
Toyotas are great but I fully agree with you. This is insane. I would understand it if there was a short run of these problems but this has gone on for way too long
@@firstlast--- and it's not just this ongoing engine failure issue. It's things howling rear differentials on brand new 2024 Tacomas, the exact same howling rear diff issue that half of 3rd gens seemed to have to some degree. Toyota did nothing to address the issue, even as they raised prices by massive amounts.
I've been saying this ever since my 3rd gen Tacoma was a lemon pos and my wife's 2019 Highlander had an engine failure despite everything being serviced by the dealer right up until then.
He says that other manufacturers are dealing with this and I agree. However, Ford and chevy simply give the customer a new engine lmao. Toyota is so cheap they want a tech to rip apart your engine for a short block patch job. Scum
Not true that nothing else is affected by the main bearing failure!! Tiny pieces of that bearing have been spread throughout the motor suspended in the oil. The entire engine is compromised. Not only that, look at how complicated the assembly is. There are countless opportunities for the mechanic to make an assembly error. A complete crate engine is the proper repair method.
@@jgranger2002 Why not? I just read the other day that GM is giving replacement crate engines to owners of vehicles with the 6.2 V8 due to improper tolerances of some component. And Toyota, who is raking in record profits, won't offer the good will of a factory replacement engine for a truck that's selling for as much as $85k? That's an absolutely terrible look for Toyota.
I am sorry, but saying that Toyota is not going down in quality is not a true statement. The engine was rushed and not tested enough. No other ways around it. Many other issues in the new Tundra show that Toyota quality is going down and testing and quality assurance is not as it was before....To add to that, Toyota did not really listen to its customers. People want the V8 for towing and reliability. No turbo crap . You buy a Toyota for reliability, simplicity, not show or gadgets... 4Runner's bullet proof V6 is replaced by a 4Cyl turbo.. what gives.....
What gives is the fact that they're trying to get ahead of the stringent emissions standards that are upcoming. Chrysler is discontinuing the Hemi in their trucks in '25 as well because of those emissions standards.
Another channel stated that it’s a $32,000.00 repair. The resale value of these Tundras will be dirt unless Toyota extends the warranties to 200,000 miles as who in their right mind would risk that kind of money.
They will absolutely take a massive hit in resale, even if its a truck with the original engine. People are going to shy away from a truck with engines blowing up left and right.
@@adidas2284 5.7 did not run hot as 3.5 and 5.7 did not have fuel dilution issues either like 3.5 turbo has. 0w-20 in turbo engines becomes 0.5w-16 in less than 2k miles. Running engine on diluted oil with gasoline is the recipe for all kinds of problems.
@@repairvehicle you know this how? Did you install oil temp and pressure sensors on your 3.5 to verify this? Do you have oil analysis to prove the oil is shearing down and/or being diluted with gasoline?
so you would rather buy an electric that never needs any service? the engine machining and parts manufacturing is the big deal, not the assembly especially if the head is prebuilt and the block is prebuilt.
@@jamesmedina2062maybe Toyota could also distribute its manufacturing across all its dealers then? /s it would be more efficient with all these dealers mechanics building vehicles in parallel!! Mechanics can’t even torque a damn wheel. Max torque on wheel nuts : 80 ft-lb. They were above 145 ft-lb!! On all 4 wheels: that’s 6x4 = 24 lug nuts ! And you want that kind of mechanic rebuilding an engine that is supposed to have a 60000 miles warranty? And the consumer is supposed to trust the dealers?!? Ha! Ha! My dealer could not even report the engine oil leak that was know on my engine due to a bad run. Toyota knew it, dealers knew it. They pretended not to see anything and I was too busy with a startup to look. Then when no longer under the warranty, the dealer started to point it out and requested authorization to fix it!
@@OldelCpt 😐 you preaching to the choir, boss. I know the drill. It's hard to get anything done right in my whole damn city! Have you worked for all the dealerships? I have for 3 makes. It is different when you have been on the inside and the outside. Like two sides of the same coin. I can tell you Discount Tire(AZ-based tire shop) torques wheels to reasonable specs. And yet still those monkeys do dumb stuff and I called them on it, having a rim scratched, had them buy me a new wheel. My Honda dealer's tech left bolts off undertray and the undertray(bellypan) was scraping on the street when I realized it. The biggest issue with HVAC was never documented. The bellypan was never replaced. At one angle I think these people are the scum of the Earth. You get it right? They will lie about having done work that really wasnt done or gleefully take 150 for 1 hour's wrk to reset computer for a wheel sensor glitch that happens if you raise one wheel and spin it manually. I left the Christmas lights on my dash for a year and one day when I plugged the airbags back into harness the ECU decided to reset itself. If you catch my drift I rarely if ever take my car to the dealer. I don't want SURPRISES. Its bad enough I hit an elk and a deer. I dont need dumb people ruining my vehicle party. Well if its any consolation, Toyota is tops company internationally and does a lot of things right. The dealer owner/ tech relationship is bad everywhere but you never know when there is a sweet thing going on at some dealership where the shop is kept clean, techs have skill, knowledge, and pride and you can rest assured the repairs will leave your car better than it left the factory. Just dream. It has to be the paradigm SOMEWHERE! 😆
I’m a mechanic and I can say for certain, that car will never be the same. If I was the owner, I would sell it right after getting it back. This is one of the reasons why you should not buy new cars. Lease new cars, buy used cars.
Government regulations are forcing these smaller turbo engines to produce more power and be more fuel efficient. I think all manufacturers are going downhill fast and it is disgusting that we the consumer are taking the fall. I would not trust my dealer to do this level of repair, sorry.
The thought process is flawed, "you don't have to worry about quality, the warranty will cover it." It used to be that if you wanted a good warranty, you purchased a Hyundai, if you wanted a good vehicle you purchased a Toyota. It seems like that is no longer the case.
This issue affects all models from 2022 to 2024, including the Tundra and Sequoia made in the USA, as well as the Land Cruiser and Lexus made in Japan. This confirms 100% that it is a design issue and not a suppliers or an assembly issue. I think Toyota will need to redesign the engine, which will take years of R&D, followed by building and street testing. Toyota is in a difficult position; therefore, they have not provided any explanation to their customers in the US and the Middle East, which are their largest markets worldwide. The cost for replacing the engine block is $29k! Toyota and Lexus are currently replacing the engines under warranty, but imagine if this were to happen after the warranty expires and the truck owner has to pay $29k out of pocket! Also, It is surprising that all Toyota RUclipsrs are not talking about it, except for the guy in this video at minute 12:45: ruclips.net/video/1XdaccfMxn4/видео.htmlsi=u4pjF0WUhijghdRH
Yeah cool propaganda… mine blew up… they havnt fixed it yet. Oh and I had this issue and boy was it a fight I wasn’t given a rental, and I spent 6 months battling Toyota for a buyback. Worst experience I have ever had. Mine was leaking oil everywhere after it was “fixed” and the dealer looked me in the eye and said it wasn’t leaking oil. I expected more from Toyota. They even falsified documents saying my vehicle wasn’t out of service for more than three days. It’s spent 5 months on the shop on and off. Never was fixed. lol plenty of 2023 and 2024s have had this issue. It’s a major issues.
Yea them 4.7s where good strong engines. Had a buddy who had a sequioa. Of course did all the maintenance stuff and when he sold it it had over 420k miles on it. Everything original and i did all the work on it
2023 and 2024 Toyota & Lexus TTV6 are still having bearing failures. It's a design issue. Toyota knows, but they are hoping most make it past the warranty period. $30K-$35K repair outside of warranty.
I've heard this, too. The machining debris is a ruse. In this video, that's the first time I've seen the discoloration of the heat from the failed main bearing. It must've been red hot for that rod cap to discolor like that. Amazing.
If i saw my brand new Tundra truck like this I'd be aquiring a lemon lawyer asap. Thank god I got a 2020 Tundra b4 they became history. Toyota has lost their way. There was a reason the previous model sold so well. Toyota could have just added their 10 speed transmission and made an aluminum body to improve the mpg. But Toyota tried to streamline their Models and engines down to one configuration. They did the same with the new Tacoma. Use the same engine across various models and use the TNGA platform for most of the new models. It's saves production cost but if/when there is a problem it affects many various models. This is why Toyota is having so many issues right now.
Absolutely! We had a 6.7 power stroke Ford get a new water pump installed at a Ford Dealer and it has been a disaster since. Parts were broken and glued together. Wrong bolts put where they are not supposed to go. Leaks, and other issues from being torn apart. Working on this modern stuff is scary complicated.
Never should have happened. They had years to perfect this engine and to this day, its a ticking time bomb. There will be NO long term reliability for this engine.
0w20 in a twin turbo high power density engine is a fun choice. Thicker isn’t always better but two turbos get the oil hot. Hot idle oil pressure was probably very low. 5w30 minimum.
Yes. That also combined with a high torque at very low RPM, I'm betting at such a low RPM, the oil pump isn't keeping up with the oil pressure demand for such high torque, especially with that WD40 oil.
@@jonesjones7057 Probably lugging the engine just enough. Similar to how Ram EcoDiesels were eating crank bearings due to lugging the engine with inadequate viscosity for that task.
America and its emissions standards. America has an agenda and everyone ignored it until now. Manufacturers had no choice but to kill reliability in favor of “cleaner” air.
@@LoneWolfSparty All Toyota had to do is update the 5.7 with direct injection, possible a small decrease in displacement. They didn't have to do much to get it to pass. They were cheap and decided to force us to buy their own take on the ecoboost (ecobust).
Question : if you are installing a crate long block .. were you required to disassemble the old engine for the TAS case .. or did you take it apart cuz you were curious to the failure?! .. cuz couldn’t you just remove the old and drop the new one in.?!
2:49 so you reuse turbos without having any idea what metal particulate has been through that oiling system? Nope that should be an entire long block. Toyota do better.
I have a 22. Have they figured out which manufacturing month is having the most issues? So far I’m at 18k miles and no issues other than some interior warranty work for bad door seals.
No, they haven't said anything yet. All Toyota said was that they know what the issue is and have fixed it. Im sure more details are to come in the future.
I purchased a 2002 Tacoma with 220k miles from a guy who just bought a new 2023 Tundra. When I saw his truck I smirked knowing that the old Tacoma will still probably outlast the new Tundra.
True of the old 2nd gens too. Far better quality and reliability compared to the 3rd and 4th gen Tacomas. I wish I hadn't traded my 2nd gen Tacoma for a Turd gen. I'll never forgive myself.
I wonder, if the oil coming out of the filter to the main bearing gallery flows sequentially to bearings 1 to 4 or 4 to 1 or are they fed in parallel as the front main bearing looks oil starved. Bad bearing oil feed to bearing? Perhaps an assembly issue or casting and machining issue?
I heard plugged oil passage through the crankshaft itself not allowing oil to get to the journal-bearing interface. This would explain why it heated up so hot that the rod cap in this video is discolored from heat. The main bearing cap must've been cherry red, maybe brighter.
What is the Toyota Engine code for this engine ? Is it used on other Toyota/ Lexus models ? I read the LS 600 4 door sedan had some troubles as well ..
Could this also be a result of people following the recommended 10,000 mile oil change interval? I completely disregarded that in the service manual and kept the typical 5k interval in hopes of that helping prevent this.
So, I have a 2022 that needed a new short block, my question is, did toyota change the main bearing in some way on these new short blocks or did they redesign the short block. It's not completely clear in the video..
@rand49er while I'm sure your right, there is now a recall for 250k trucks. I would bet that toyota saying the problem is leftover machining metal is nowhere near the real problem since it's happening on new 24' tundras sooo. I go back to it being either a defect or an oiling problem. I mean the damn oil is as thin as water for God sake. Idk why they didn't stick with 5w30. How much gas could you be saving ?
Same root cause I'd be willing to bet -- extended oil change intervals, fuel dilution of the engine oil, not checking the oil level between oil changes. You take a 0W20, shear it and thin it down with unburned fuel, and the result is bearing failures.
@rand49er They're saying the cause is either improper torque from factory of the rod and main bearing caps, damaged thrust besrings, or faulty bearings installed during manufacturing of the engines.
The problem is toyota doesn't pay squat to mechanics for warranty repair labor. So when you get your fixed Tundra back, remember it was done by a mechanic that was pissed for getting the job and slapped it together as fast as possible.
No cab off? Im curious as to how difficult it is on a tundra. F150 once you get it down its a 30 minute process. Saves all that front end tear apart work
They had a similar issue in like the 2004 Tacoma, the variable timing had issues, so at some point the valve train had total failure, but they fixed the issue and Tacoma had no more issues??
I'm an idiot. I traded my 2019 TRD Pro for a 2024. I want my V8 back. 3400 miles on the new truck, no problems yet.🤞🤞. Did my first oil change at 1500 miles.
@@nicholaspetre1 If Toyota fixes them at all. They just released the all-new 4th gen Tacoma and it has the same junk howling rear differential that most 3rd gens had issues with. Cheap Thailand made axles.
toyota tundra forum has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 76 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice. Definitely something happening at 2022 model. Also majority close to fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models. Also detuned SR variant had three cases There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Now for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner In these high performance turbo-engines I would change the oil every 5000km not 5000mi (so just over 3000mi)
That’s because the Sequoias have been sitting at the car lot waiting to be bought. I can see more of these engines popping when they actually drop the prices on these and people start driving the lot rotted ones LOL. Toyota decided to go all in on turbos like the domestics went in on pure EVs and now they are all paying for it.
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies0.5% is the claimed failure rate by a anonymous source that merely speculated at the failure rate. Considering multiple guys have had more than one engine failure, that speculated failure rate is total BS meant to minimize the PR damage.
Thanks for the video! The visuals were excellent, and I admire anyone sharp enough to tackle a job like that. I was considering a new Tundra, but my 2014 5.7 with zero issues ever, is too reliable to replace with the new risky model. My previous truck was a Tacoma that I put 350K miles on with zero issues. Something wrong is going on at Toyota.
Its likely a main bearing oiling design problem (oil starvation). 422ftlb in the LS500 and failures are rare. 479ftlb in the Tundra and it's obviously just too much for the oiling in that area to handle.
It's the design of the bottom end. Instead of a traditional design with forged main bearing caps cross bolted into a deep skirt, it's an aluminum cradle with iron bearing caps cast into it. The cradle probably isn't rigid enough
Just had a 2023 Tundra engine blow a headgasket. 13,000 miles and its a lease. Worst engine I’ve ever seen. I am currently rocking my old 2014 Nissan Frontier 170k miles rn while its getting fixed. Stay away from Toyota 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Ive got two Fords, one a 2002 with 210K miles, it has the 5.4L 2 valve and its all original it does have a good service record. And a 2012 Raptor with the 6.2L V8 with 185K miles, also all original and also good service records. Seems to me anything is better than a new Toyota.lol
@@mikepatrona472 there was no tundras in 1995, just saying. But I see your point, in those years Toyotas were basic, underpowered and slightly overbuilt which resulted in good longevity. Anyone who wanted to go fast wouldnt buy a Toyota, anyone who wanted to look cool wouldnt buy a toyota. They were slow, boring but stout.
It's covered, but they have no idea how they're going to fix this problem. Is that how you want to live? Waiting for Toyota to come up with a fix that may cost you a bundle?
Is that just your shop that has seen 3? How big is the dealership you work at? Is there any signs on the truck that this is starting to occur? I guess it would have been nice if there was a sensor on it to let you know it’s getting too hot.
Yes, our shop has seen 3 total so far. Keep in mind that the 22 model year Tundra has been released for about 2, going on 3 years now. At our dealership, we have over 30 techs and service over 100 cars a day on average.
Just watched a couple of videos where this is still happening to the 2023 and 2024's. Want one of these trucks, but the risk of having to spend almost 40 grand after the 3 year warranty is up is too much to risk.
toyota tundra forum has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 76 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice. Definitely something happening at 2022 model. Also majority close to fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models. Also detuned SR variant had three cases There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Now for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner In these high performance turbo-engines I would change the oil every 5000km not 5000mi (so just over 3000mi)
Our reliable 1GR used to blow head gasket, 2GR used to have rubber oil line that could rupture at any time, NA 2.4 used to burn oil worse than an Audi. New engine having problems isn’t anything new. I just hope Toyota can fix up their oopses and properly improve the new engine like they used to.
The 2GR oil cooler issue was a recall; some people took it in and got the metal lines installed, some didn't. (There's still some out there that have the rubber lines).
@@LoneWolfSparty well it was eventually a recall, same with Tacoma frame. 1GR's headgasket was never a recall, toyota just updated the headgasket and called it a day, similar to how new tundra short block got updated part number. I find it funny that people forgot how toyota has problems too, and yet, there are still 4runners and tacomas with 1GR before the headgasket revision, and yet people still swear by old toyota trucks reliability. As much as all the doomposting is getting a bit old, I do hope toyota notice this and make up to their mistakes.
Excellent point! Previous models in their early stages had issues as well. Even if the warranty is up, and it's still a known issue, Toyota will most likely cover the repair just like they did with the oil consumption on the 2AZ engines.
Yep I just saw on RUclips that 2024 tundras still have this problem. It’s a good thing I did not shell big bucks for a lemon. Sucks because I have a 2008 tundra and wanted to upgrade but now I am holding back.
If you want to upgrade in reliability with Toyota, get a 1st gen Tundra. If you want something more powerful and new, get a Ford super duty with a 6.8 or 7.3 gas. Old style pushrod engines. More reliable than these turds.
I won't be touching these with a ten foot pole, especially for the unbelievable prices Toyota wants now. These bearing failures also occuring in 23's, and 24's, as shown in other channels. That's what happens when you take a light duty V6 engine and push 400 hp out of it with out increasing bearing surface area. You're essentially taking a small vehicle engine and asking it to do heavy continuous work. I know it has been used in other Toyota cars, but a car is a lighter vehicle, and doesn't typically see continuous load demands, like you see with a truck. A truck is a lot heavier, and is expected to tow and haul for extended periods of time. It makes sense to tie the caps together I suppose. The same effect as when Chevy started using a four bolt main in V8's to withstand higher torque. I doubt that's the issue. But these 3.5 bearing areas are still small, while using lighter oil. I wanted to switch from RAM to Toyota bc of hemi cam lifter issues, but those are nothing compared to this. What you're saying is true about problems across the board, at least with RAM and Ford. I've listened to a few UAW dialogues, and they swear Stellantis corporate in EU is trying to corrupt RAM and Jeep. I think it's management incompetence. They can't even supply trucks with a correct size wiring harness now. They're too short, and they have to stretch them during assembly. People are going over bumps, and connectors are pulling part. The entire auto industry has started a slow motion implosion since covid hit. Meanwhile they want Bentley prices.
It looks like you spoke to soon. Two weeks after this video came out Toyota recalled 102,000. Tundras. 2022 AND 2023. I'm sure the 2024 will soon be added to this recall too. Toyota is claiming there was machining debris left in the engines. The problem is that the machining is done by the engine, when the main and rod bearing grenade.
Definitely not the main bearing caps causing the problems imo. This engine was first put into a 2018 LS500 and it has been 6 years and only 2 cases of engine failure for the LS500 but hella cases for the 2022 Tundras. I THINK IT WAS DUE TO RUSHED AND SHORT HANDED COVID TIME PRODUCTION
I think what adds to the problem is that a car only sees high load demand for short duration, as in passing other traffic, or acceleration. Plus it's a light vehicle. But in a truck, it's much heavier, and is expected to tow and haul a lot of weight, up hills sometimes. The engine is going to see higher duration loads, and by default it cuts down on engine longevity. This has been a long standing concept with semi tractors for a long time. You can't take a little engine like this and ask it to do heavy duty work for a long time for the sake of a couple mpg's. It's ridiculous.
@@theo21021 you might be correct, but still they are having same main bearing failures on the LS500 and LX600, just in lower numbers. Just trying to figure out what's the cause. The record shows out of the 70 2022 Tundras that has main bearing failures 50 of them was doing 10k mile oil change interval . Possibly it was due to over worked human error = high failure numbers 2022 [ covid times ] IMO
@rottenrottie1515 If the Japanese built engines are seeing issues similar to the U.S. built engines, it's unlikely an assembly problem. I'm not sure if components are japanese made and assembled here. it could be an issue with faulty components or possibly design flaw? Hate to think the engines are that fragile that the failures are due to operating error. Then again, some people are abusive.
Thanks for sharing this. It’s good to know that there is competent mechanics at the Toyota dealership. I have to take my Tundra back in because they over tightened the lug nuts and stripped the lug. Probably because I always take it in for service on the weekend and thats when the newbies work.
I know more than a few toyota tacoma and tundra owners and these guys routinely change their oil at 10k miles cause "new oil can go that long." These same guys take their trucks to quicky lube joints cause "I can change my own oil but I'm just too busy." Are these engine failures connected to extended oci's?
It's a GD&T issue, not a design or engineering issue. Bearings too tight or too loose will cause problems whether naturally aspirated or turbo. Toyota had a problem with the 2AZ-FE affecting 7th-generation Camries and 3rd-generation Rav 4s.
If that was my truck, I would definitely not want it back and request a manufacturers lemon buyback. I understand you may be a qualified technician but I can assure you you will never be able to put that back the way it was from the factory. yes, it will run, it will never be as it was when it was new and if the customer is paying for a new truck and the disassembly is advanced I would definitely just want a replacement new tundra. by the way, don’t forget to all the people with this engine that the LS 500 Lexus has essentially the same and potentially the same failure .
Without knowing what the problem is and having Toyota actually saying it was fixed for 2023 on - I do not believe it. Also saw that 2023 on is having problems - maybe because they have not got enough mileage. Also what percent having problems. Hit or miss that someone might get engine?
There are multiple RUclipsrs who have reported the same issues in 2024 models I wouldn’t. Hard to believe Toyota would be so reckless with an engine design going in a truck with decades of history of reliability. That legacy is completely ruined, but on a positive note, the value of my V8 tundra is intact.
One defected part takes the whole engine down. It’s all about quality parts manufacture that goes inside it but it probably had a slight defect. What caused the engine to fail
Dude says Toyota quality is not going down....and justifies it by saying all manufactures quality is going down. Might want to rethink that statement as it makes no sense at all.
You will start to hear a LOUD abnormal knocking sound during engine operation. and also keep in mind it doesn't mean just because you have a 22, it's all hopes lost. It's a small number compared to how many Toyota sold.
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder casing. My theory is that the differential expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Solution: maybe go back to resin coating? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate?
How many certified toyota technicians can actually pull this truck apart and assemble it back together perfectly? That's the biggest risk. I don't want a vehicle torn apart buy the guy who's working to beat the job clock.
im not aware of a "brand new model" that came out during the covid years ....that did NOT have more issues than normal. Most of the issues im aware of have been maufacturing/supplier issues as opposed to design. Across all brands. I do believe that covid and the fear there of has left a signficant black mark on the auto industry that will take years to get over.
The oil pickup screen will catch some, and the oil filter will catch the rest. Unless we see metal debris or damage components on the top end. In this case, the metal debris didn't pass the oil filter, so we will re-use the other components.
Hard to believe a manufacturer with Toyota's budget couldn't properly endurance test these engines before homologation. A warranted full build is nice and all but 1. It's a huge inconvenience and 2. Your truck is not going to feel very new anymore
Problem is putting in a short block not changing the compleat engine and repeat failures ARE showing up,,,,every oiled part is junk after a spun bearing. And as the wind blows dust inside for the at minimum 3 days the engine is scattered, actually the truck is is junk after any major failure
Yes, you would think they would replace the whole engine..... If it was a head gasket, then sure remove the head and do it.. but this is the worst problem that could happen in a car.
What makes me concern is if the bearing fail something else is likely also compromised. And a full disassembly and reassembly introduces risk of further other issues if mechanic does not do it right. All in all the new v6 is not as good as the original v8…
Something is blocking/ restricting the oil gallery to the front main bearing. It could be a bad gallery drilling, a missing hole in the gasket or the bearing shell or an assembly mistake like, inverting the upper and lower shells. Bad, supplied parts, seem to be common, lately. The design itself, is wonderful.
Who is making these new engines for Tundra, GX, Sequoia, LC300, LX e.t.c. ? Is it one manufacturer or different ones? Can it be that engines for lexus and LC are made in Japan and for everything else in US? Could it be different parts manufactured at different places, so these particular vehicles have issues with them?
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You are wrong- there are 2023 and 2024 failures. The reason you are seeing so many 22 models is because they have more miles on the bearing. Just wait 3 years and 36k miles and you will see how many 2024 trucks join the crowd!!
BOOM!
BANG!
Some more main bearings have killed themselves
Yup
💯 your correct. In Canada, it's 2022 and 2023 involved in the recall. Also, you can easily find 2024 tundras blown up.
Several 2024 models have had this issue. Toyota hasn’t fixed the problem yet
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Wait on the refresh around 2025 or 2026 it may be fixed
@@fletcherwright7042 yeah but it will be the 2024s that have the marked down prices
Yup
That’s a lie
The 23-24 models are having the same issues
We fixed the problem, but we won't tell you what the problem was. Trust us.....
We fixed the problem, just ignore that 2024's are still failing the exact same way.
Oh and yeah these new Tundras are about $30,000 more than the old ones with the 5.7 in them
So basically you already paid for an extra engine when you bought the truck.Toyota knows what they're doing. $35k for the "fix" which is just the same thing that will fail again and $30 more expensive than the previous generation Tundra.
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This is what happens when you replace dependable , normally aspirated motors with unproven turbocharged junk. As a professional mechanic with fifty years of experience I will never buy a turbocharged vehicle. They are almost all oil burning, sludge making , fast wearing junk IMO.
Except turbo diesel trucks 😂
What do you think about Chevy developing a new small block V-8? They dumped about $1B in development/manufacturing facilities about a year ago.
My turbocharged Cummins has 413,000 miles. Probably going to blow up any day now.
@@mannypuerta5086 A lot different from a small turbocharged four cylinder gas engine. Most Industrial turbo diesel engines are designed to last a million miles or more. Most turbo 4 cylinder gas engines designed for passenger car and small suv use are designed to last as long as the warranty ends and are usually burning oil by that time.
@@Huey4214You produced possibly the most ignorant comment to this video. The 4 cylinder turbo has now been produced by every single manufacturer from Ford to Porsche to Mercedes. You want to lump them all together and then you back off. Just don't do it! Not smart! They are not all the same nor do they all burn oil. Educate yourself.
if i spent 70k and i see this shit.. i WOULD BE PISSED...
Right 😂
An absolute disaster. Even the best technician won’t get this back together in factory condition. This would be like getting a post accident rebuilt vehicle.
I would def open up a case with Toyota . Get money back!!!
Honestly, I have to agree.
Imagine you send the last monthly payment thinking life is good then you see this shit.
anyone defending this is a clown. if this was gm ford or fca everyone would be pointing and laughing. ever since the new ceo came in they went downhill just wait till they become complete garbage
Toyota Trucks are over priced from the start. 2024 Taco's are having issues with engine and transmission problems and some have failed rear differentials.
I am not defending the new CEO, however, the new Tundra design probably started in the 2020 or even earlier, The new CEO was not even there. I think he took over in 2023 if I am not mistaken.... non the less, I agree with you...
Toyotas are great but I fully agree with you. This is insane. I would understand it if there was a short run of these problems but this has gone on for way too long
@@firstlast--- and it's not just this ongoing engine failure issue. It's things howling rear differentials on brand new 2024 Tacomas, the exact same howling rear diff issue that half of 3rd gens seemed to have to some degree. Toyota did nothing to address the issue, even as they raised prices by massive amounts.
btuh there's no defending this garbage quality control and no 2024's are messed up too 👎🏼👎🏼🛻
Quality is going down. Who are you trying to fool.
I've been saying this ever since my 3rd gen Tacoma was a lemon pos and my wife's 2019 Highlander had an engine failure despite everything being serviced by the dealer right up until then.
He says that other manufacturers are dealing with this and I agree. However, Ford and chevy simply give the customer a new engine lmao.
Toyota is so cheap they want a tech to rip apart your engine for a short block patch job. Scum
Not true that nothing else is affected by the main bearing failure!! Tiny pieces of that bearing have been spread throughout the motor suspended in the oil. The entire engine is compromised. Not only that, look at how complicated the assembly is. There are countless opportunities for the mechanic to make an assembly error. A complete crate engine is the proper repair method.
No such thing. Toyota and some other Japanese manufacturers don't offer a complete engine.
@@jgranger2002 Why not? I just read the other day that GM is giving replacement crate engines to owners of vehicles with the 6.2 V8 due to improper tolerances of some component. And Toyota, who is raking in record profits, won't offer the good will of a factory replacement engine for a truck that's selling for as much as $85k? That's an absolutely terrible look for Toyota.
@@karlschauff7989 ask toyota Sir.
@@jgranger2002 they better start
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 looks like they can't keep up with the short blocks.
Whole bunch of people have said 23 and 24 models are blowing their engines too.
I am sorry, but saying that Toyota is not going down in quality is not a true statement. The engine was rushed and not tested enough. No other ways around it. Many other issues in the new Tundra show that Toyota quality is going down and testing and quality assurance is not as it was before....To add to that, Toyota did not really listen to its customers. People want the V8 for towing and reliability. No turbo crap . You buy a Toyota for reliability, simplicity, not show or gadgets... 4Runner's bullet proof V6 is replaced by a 4Cyl turbo.. what gives.....
these TTV6 were already in the Lexus lineup for a few years. Toyota should have figure it out by now but it seems like that isn't the case.
The failures are at a rate of 0.5%. All the drama less then a percent of failure rate.
What gives is the fact that they're trying to get ahead of the stringent emissions standards that are upcoming. Chrysler is discontinuing the Hemi in their trucks in '25 as well because of those emissions standards.
The EPA. the EPA is what gives
@@Baebon6259made in japan vs made in n.a.
I think I’ll keep my 2018 5.7
Me, as well 😆👍🏽
Limited, Crew Cab
Keeping my 2019 5.7. 👍
Dont think man, you better keep it
I'll keep my 2017 5.7, with 220,000 miles...
@@JB-ot9hi wow, you've been rolling that beast👍🏽🙂
Heard this will be fixed for the 2037 model, SR5’s to start at $120,000.
8-cylinder, 6-cylinder, 4-cylinder, at this rate, 2037 model will have only one cylinder, with 8 turbochargers
EPA is a menace.
That comment is the best one yet!! lol
Minimum wage will be $65/hr.
@@drive-channel1834 lol
Another channel stated that it’s a $32,000.00 repair. The resale value of these Tundras will be dirt unless Toyota extends the warranties to 200,000 miles as who in their right mind would risk that kind of money.
They will absolutely take a massive hit in resale, even if its a truck with the original engine. People are going to shy away from a truck with engines blowing up left and right.
Our ‘23 shop truck threw a rod at 28k miles lmao. No oil to the front bearing.
0w-20 is the cause
@@repairvehicle it's an oil flow issue. Not weight. The 5.7 did not have these issues on 0w20.
@@adidas2284 5.7 did not run hot as 3.5 and 5.7 did not have fuel dilution issues either like 3.5 turbo has. 0w-20 in turbo engines becomes 0.5w-16 in less than 2k miles. Running engine on diluted oil with gasoline is the recipe for all kinds of problems.
@@adidas2284 correct, blocked oil gallery to the number one crank bearing. Machined bad or casting sand blockage perhaps.
@@repairvehicle you know this how? Did you install oil temp and pressure sensors on your 3.5 to verify this? Do you have oil analysis to prove the oil is shearing down and/or being diluted with gasoline?
They should be providing crate engines not short blocks, that’s total BS. The truck is no longer new after that.
That’s the real crime here. Having a tech rebuild these in the shop is not very confidence inspiring.
The tech wound destroyed this
so you would rather buy an electric that never needs any service? the engine machining and parts manufacturing is the big deal, not the assembly especially if the head is prebuilt and the block is prebuilt.
@@jamesmedina2062maybe Toyota could also distribute its manufacturing across all its dealers then? /s it would be more efficient with all these dealers mechanics building vehicles in parallel!!
Mechanics can’t even torque a damn wheel. Max torque on wheel nuts : 80 ft-lb. They were above 145 ft-lb!! On all 4 wheels: that’s 6x4 = 24 lug nuts !
And you want that kind of mechanic rebuilding an engine that is supposed to have a 60000 miles warranty? And the consumer is supposed to trust the dealers?!? Ha! Ha! My dealer could not even report the engine oil leak that was know on my engine due to a bad run. Toyota knew it, dealers knew it. They pretended not to see anything and I was too busy with a startup to look. Then when no longer under the warranty, the dealer started to point it out and requested authorization to fix it!
@@OldelCpt 😐 you preaching to the choir, boss. I know the drill. It's hard to get anything done right in my whole damn city! Have you worked for all the dealerships? I have for 3 makes. It is different when you have been on the inside and the outside. Like two sides of the same coin. I can tell you Discount Tire(AZ-based tire shop) torques wheels to reasonable specs. And yet still those monkeys do dumb stuff and I called them on it, having a rim scratched, had them buy me a new wheel. My Honda dealer's tech left bolts off undertray and the undertray(bellypan) was scraping on the street when I realized it. The biggest issue with HVAC was never documented. The bellypan was never replaced. At one angle I think these people are the scum of the Earth. You get it right? They will lie about having done work that really wasnt done or gleefully take 150 for 1 hour's wrk to reset computer for a wheel sensor glitch that happens if you raise one wheel and spin it manually. I left the Christmas lights on my dash for a year and one day when I plugged the airbags back into harness the ECU decided to reset itself. If you catch my drift I rarely if ever take my car to the dealer. I don't want SURPRISES. Its bad enough I hit an elk and a deer. I dont need dumb people ruining my vehicle party. Well if its any consolation, Toyota is tops company internationally and does a lot of things right. The dealer owner/ tech relationship is bad everywhere but you never know when there is a sweet thing going on at some dealership where the shop is kept clean, techs have skill, knowledge, and pride and you can rest assured the repairs will leave your car better than it left the factory. Just dream. It has to be the paradigm SOMEWHERE! 😆
I’m a mechanic and I can say for certain, that car will never be the same. If I was the owner, I would sell it right after getting it back. This is one of the reasons why you should not buy new cars. Lease new cars, buy used cars.
Government regulations are forcing these smaller turbo engines to produce more power and be more fuel efficient. I think all manufacturers are going downhill fast and it is disgusting that we the consumer are taking the fall. I would not trust my dealer to do this level of repair, sorry.
Great comment
yep the EPA has all the authority and no accountability. they are a terror organization
The thought process is flawed, "you don't have to worry about quality, the warranty will cover it." It used to be that if you wanted a good warranty, you purchased a Hyundai, if you wanted a good vehicle you purchased a Toyota. It seems like that is no longer the case.
Well said!
yup.
4:21 Chunks of metal?
Yeah thats alarming! I think he down-played that fact.
This issue affects all models from 2022 to 2024, including the Tundra and Sequoia made in the USA, as well as the Land Cruiser and Lexus made in Japan. This confirms 100% that it is a design issue and not a suppliers or an assembly issue. I think Toyota will need to redesign the engine, which will take years of R&D, followed by building and street testing. Toyota is in a difficult position; therefore, they have not provided any explanation to their customers in the US and the Middle East, which are their largest markets worldwide. The cost for replacing the engine block is $29k! Toyota and Lexus are currently replacing the engines under warranty, but imagine if this were to happen after the warranty expires and the truck owner has to pay $29k out of pocket! Also, It is surprising that all Toyota RUclipsrs are not talking about it, except for the guy in this video at minute 12:45:
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@ryangregg How would you know the exact amount of failures?? each dealer have done multiple of this job of rebuilding the tundra engine.
@ryangregg you are definitely not that “person”
Yeah cool propaganda… mine blew up… they havnt fixed it yet. Oh and I had this issue and boy was it a fight I wasn’t given a rental, and I spent 6 months battling Toyota for a buyback. Worst experience I have ever had. Mine was leaking oil everywhere after it was “fixed” and the dealer looked me in the eye and said it wasn’t leaking oil. I expected more from Toyota. They even falsified documents saying my vehicle wasn’t out of service for more than three days. It’s spent 5 months on the shop on and off. Never was fixed. lol plenty of 2023 and 2024s have had this issue. It’s a major issues.
Sorry to hear that. Too much arrogance at Toyota and the people who drink their Kool-Aid. All manufacturers have issues. Toyota isn't exempt.
How many scratches will I have on my new truck after this repair?
Bring back the 4.7 iforce v8 I'll take less power for hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles
Yea them 4.7s where good strong engines. Had a buddy who had a sequioa. Of course did all the maintenance stuff and when he sold it it had over 420k miles on it. Everything original and i did all the work on it
My 2003 4.7 V8 lasted 526,000 miles and everything was original...
2023 and 2024 Toyota & Lexus TTV6 are still having bearing failures. It's a design issue. Toyota knows, but they are hoping most make it past the warranty period. $30K-$35K repair outside of warranty.
I've heard this, too. The machining debris is a ruse. In this video, that's the first time I've seen the discoloration of the heat from the failed main bearing. It must've been red hot for that rod cap to discolor like that. Amazing.
If i saw my brand new Tundra truck like this I'd be aquiring a lemon lawyer asap. Thank god I got a 2020 Tundra b4 they became history.
Toyota has lost their way. There was a reason the previous model sold so well. Toyota could have just added their 10 speed transmission and made an aluminum body to improve the mpg. But Toyota tried to streamline their Models and engines down to one configuration. They did the same with the new Tacoma. Use the same engine across various models and use the TNGA platform for most of the new models. It's saves production cost but if/when there is a problem it affects many various models. This is why Toyota is having so many issues right now.
Toyotas are junk. I've seen 2022 Camrys in the shop with blown transmissions at less than 50 thousand miles on them.
Keeping my 2020 Tundra 5.7. Horrible mileage but it will run circles around the big three in quality
It’s how it’s put back together is the real problem
That’s a lot of skilled work. How many bolts, seals and gaskets would have to be done 100% right to last like a factory built motor.
Absolutely! We had a 6.7 power stroke Ford get a new water pump installed at a Ford Dealer and it has been a disaster since. Parts were broken and glued together. Wrong bolts put where they are not supposed to go. Leaks, and other issues from being torn apart. Working on this modern stuff is scary complicated.
Never should have happened. They had years to perfect this engine and to this day, its a ticking time bomb.
There will be NO long term reliability for this engine.
0w20 in a twin turbo high power density engine is a fun choice. Thicker isn’t always better but two turbos get the oil hot. Hot idle oil pressure was probably very low. 5w30 minimum.
Yes. That also combined with a high torque at very low RPM, I'm betting at such a low RPM, the oil pump isn't keeping up with the oil pressure demand for such high torque, especially with that WD40 oil.
@@jonesjones7057 Probably lugging the engine just enough. Similar to how Ram EcoDiesels were eating crank bearings due to lugging the engine with inadequate viscosity for that task.
@@jonesjones7057you're right, that's the cause of the problem
The reason Toyota didn’t offer the 5.7 anymore is because too many would want it.
The reason they didn't offer the 5.7 is because it won't pass the upcoming emissions standards. That's why.
Too many would still complain also lol
America and its emissions standards. America has an agenda and everyone ignored it until now. Manufacturers had no choice but to kill reliability in favor of “cleaner” air.
Nope, CAFE standards and emissions. Blame the government for forcing these over engineered shlt heaps on us.
@@LoneWolfSparty All Toyota had to do is update the 5.7 with direct injection, possible a small decrease in displacement. They didn't have to do much to get it to pass. They were cheap and decided to force us to buy their own take on the ecoboost (ecobust).
Question : if you are installing a crate long block .. were you required to disassemble the old engine for the TAS case .. or did you take it apart cuz you were curious to the failure?! .. cuz couldn’t you just remove the old and drop the new one in.?!
2:49 so you reuse turbos without having any idea what metal particulate has been through that oiling system? Nope that should be an entire long block. Toyota do better.
Interesting! What about the 2022-2024 Toyota Sequoia?? The same issues appeared with the new Sequoias?
I have a 22. Have they figured out which manufacturing month is having the most issues? So far I’m at 18k miles and no issues other than some interior warranty work for bad door seals.
No, they haven't said anything yet. All Toyota said was that they know what the issue is and have fixed it. Im sure more details are to come in the future.
And again, it's not all the 22's that are doomed to fail. It's a small number compared to the amount sold.
I purchased a 2002 Tacoma with 220k miles from a guy who just bought a new 2023 Tundra. When I saw his truck I smirked knowing that the old Tacoma will still probably outlast the new Tundra.
True of the old 2nd gens too. Far better quality and reliability compared to the 3rd and 4th gen Tacomas. I wish I hadn't traded my 2nd gen Tacoma for a Turd gen. I'll never forgive myself.
I wonder, if the oil coming out of the filter to the main bearing gallery flows sequentially to bearings 1 to 4 or 4 to 1 or are they fed in parallel as the front main bearing looks oil starved. Bad bearing oil feed to bearing? Perhaps an assembly issue or casting and machining issue?
I heard plugged oil passage through the crankshaft itself not allowing oil to get to the journal-bearing interface. This would explain why it heated up so hot that the rod cap in this video is discolored from heat. The main bearing cap must've been cherry red, maybe brighter.
What is the Toyota Engine code for this engine ? Is it used on other Toyota/ Lexus models ? I read the LS 600 4 door sedan had some troubles as well ..
So how hard would it be to do a v8 swap ?
Are you sure??? you might lose the 1MPG you are saving now....
Lmao!! Thats funny right there.@charlestimmis273
@@charlestimmis273 Only 1 MPG?
Could this also be a result of people following the recommended 10,000 mile oil change interval? I completely disregarded that in the service manual and kept the typical 5k interval in hopes of that helping prevent this.
I never go by the 10k rule. Right around 5k my oil gets changed all the time.
So, I have a 2022 that needed a new short block, my question is, did toyota change the main bearing in some way on these new short blocks or did they redesign the short block. It's not completely clear in the video..
I can assure you that they did not redesign the main bearing for the short block you got. That is an enormous undertaking.
@rand49er while I'm sure your right, there is now a recall for 250k trucks. I would bet that toyota saying the problem is leftover machining metal is nowhere near the real problem since it's happening on new 24' tundras sooo. I go back to it being either a defect or an oiling problem. I mean the damn oil is as thin as water for God sake. Idk why they didn't stick with 5w30. How much gas could you be saving ?
I'm a GM tech and we're seeing the same issues on the 6.2s 2021 and newer. Rod bearing failure and main bearing failure
Same root cause I'd be willing to bet -- extended oil change intervals, fuel dilution of the engine oil, not checking the oil level between oil changes. You take a 0W20, shear it and thin it down with unburned fuel, and the result is bearing failures.
What's causing it? Every engine has a failure prematurely but it's statistically rare. How many is GM (not just you) seeing?
@rand49er They're saying the cause is either improper torque from factory of the rod and main bearing caps, damaged thrust besrings, or faulty bearings installed during manufacturing of the engines.
JR you explain the issue so well and in terms regular folks can understand. Awesome video. Just subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
I thought it was bad castings on 2024 camshafts. Are BOTH a problem?
The problem is toyota doesn't pay squat to mechanics for warranty repair labor. So when you get your fixed Tundra back, remember it was done by a mechanic that was pissed for getting the job and slapped it together as fast as possible.
No cab off? Im curious as to how difficult it is on a tundra. F150 once you get it down its a 30 minute process. Saves all that front end tear apart work
Looks to me like the one oil pressure or journals aren't pushing enough oil during high heat or the bearings are shitty?
They had a similar issue in like the 2004 Tacoma, the variable timing had issues, so at some point the valve train had total failure, but they fixed the issue and Tacoma had no more issues??
I'm an idiot. I traded my 2019 TRD Pro for a 2024. I want my V8 back. 3400 miles on the new truck, no problems yet.🤞🤞. Did my first oil change at 1500 miles.
I traded in my 2022 Tundra for a 2021 TRD pro with 12k miles. I’m Not looking back
@@mathewwatkins2097 I wish I could find a brand new 2021 TRD Pro....
I felt the same way when I traded my 2nd gen Tacoma for a 3rd gen pos.
@@nicholaspetre1 If Toyota fixes them at all. They just released the all-new 4th gen Tacoma and it has the same junk howling rear differential that most 3rd gens had issues with. Cheap Thailand made axles.
I sold my 2008 Tundra with only 69k miles on it and I regret it every day.
toyota tundra forum has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 76 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice. Definitely something happening at 2022 model.
Also majority close to fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models.
Also detuned SR variant had three cases
There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Now for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner
In these high performance turbo-engines I would change the oil every 5000km not 5000mi (so just over 3000mi)
That’s because the Sequoias have been sitting at the car lot waiting to be bought. I can see more of these engines popping when they actually drop the prices on these and people start driving the lot rotted ones LOL. Toyota decided to go all in on turbos like the domestics went in on pure EVs and now they are all paying for it.
@PRoverLand it's because it's less then 0.5% failure rate.. rediculous this is even news
@@michelle-lz8tg 76 total Tundra models not one in 200, jeeze star an incredible stretch of reality.
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies0.5% is the claimed failure rate by a anonymous source that merely speculated at the failure rate. Considering multiple guys have had more than one engine failure, that speculated failure rate is total BS meant to minimize the PR damage.
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies if reports on a forum is how you estimate engine failure rates, you're a dunce.
Thanks for the video! The visuals were excellent, and I admire anyone sharp enough to tackle a job like that. I was considering a new Tundra, but my 2014 5.7 with zero issues ever, is too reliable to replace with the new risky model. My previous truck was a Tacoma that I put 350K miles on with zero issues. Something wrong is going on at Toyota.
Its likely a main bearing oiling design problem (oil starvation). 422ftlb in the LS500 and failures are rare. 479ftlb in the Tundra and it's obviously just too much for the oiling in that area to handle.
It's the design of the bottom end. Instead of a traditional design with forged main bearing caps cross bolted into a deep skirt, it's an aluminum cradle with iron bearing caps cast into it. The cradle probably isn't rigid enough
Just had a 2023 Tundra engine blow a headgasket. 13,000 miles and its a lease. Worst engine I’ve ever seen. I am currently rocking my old 2014 Nissan Frontier 170k miles rn while its getting fixed. Stay away from Toyota 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Lemon 🍋 🍋 🍋
Ive got two Fords, one a 2002 with 210K miles, it has the 5.4L 2 valve and its all original it does have a good service record.
And a 2012 Raptor with the 6.2L V8 with 185K miles, also all original and also good service records.
Seems to me anything is better than a new Toyota.lol
Toyota is not the same Toyota as it was in 95 when as long as the cars were maintained a Corolla or tundra would easily drive over 300k
@@mikepatrona472 there was no tundras in 1995, just saying.
But I see your point, in those years Toyotas were basic, underpowered and slightly overbuilt which resulted in good longevity. Anyone who wanted to go fast wouldnt buy a Toyota, anyone who wanted to look cool wouldnt buy a toyota.
They were slow, boring but stout.
Did you really have a Tundra blow head gasket or are you just trolling on yt?
So if I buy a 2022 it’s should be covered by Toyota right… as far as recall or in my warranty?.
It's covered, but they have no idea how they're going to fix this problem. Is that how you want to live? Waiting for Toyota to come up with a fix that may cost you a bundle?
Is that just your shop that has seen 3? How big is the dealership you work at? Is there any signs on the truck that this is starting to occur? I guess it would have been nice if there was a sensor on it to let you know it’s getting too hot.
Yes, our shop has seen 3 total so far. Keep in mind that the 22 model year Tundra has been released for about 2, going on 3 years now. At our dealership, we have over 30 techs and service over 100 cars a day on average.
Just watched a couple of videos where this is still happening to the 2023 and 2024's. Want one of these trucks, but the risk of having to spend almost 40 grand after the 3 year warranty is up is too much to risk.
toyota tundra forum has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 76 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice. Definitely something happening at 2022 model.
Also majority close to fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models.
Also detuned SR variant had three cases
There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Now for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner
In these high performance turbo-engines I would change the oil every 5000km not 5000mi (so just over 3000mi)
Our reliable 1GR used to blow head gasket, 2GR used to have rubber oil line that could rupture at any time, NA 2.4 used to burn oil worse than an Audi. New engine having problems isn’t anything new. I just hope Toyota can fix up their oopses and properly improve the new engine like they used to.
The 2GR oil cooler issue was a recall; some people took it in and got the metal lines installed, some didn't. (There's still some out there that have the rubber lines).
@@LoneWolfSparty well it was eventually a recall, same with Tacoma frame. 1GR's headgasket was never a recall, toyota just updated the headgasket and called it a day, similar to how new tundra short block got updated part number. I find it funny that people forgot how toyota has problems too, and yet, there are still 4runners and tacomas with 1GR before the headgasket revision, and yet people still swear by old toyota trucks reliability. As much as all the doomposting is getting a bit old, I do hope toyota notice this and make up to their mistakes.
Burn oil due to not enough oil changes
Excellent point! Previous models in their early stages had issues as well. Even if the warranty is up, and it's still a known issue, Toyota will most likely cover the repair just like they did with the oil consumption on the 2AZ engines.
@@stevelikesrhino As my old neighbor says "when the terrorists stop using Toyotas it's time to change"
And I thought my issues with my mustang mach e gt were bad! Cool video bradah! Keep ‘em coming
Yep I just saw on RUclips that 2024 tundras still have this problem. It’s a good thing I did not shell big bucks for a lemon. Sucks because I have a 2008 tundra and wanted to upgrade but now I am holding back.
If you want to upgrade in reliability with Toyota, get a 1st gen Tundra. If you want something more powerful and new, get a Ford super duty with a 6.8 or 7.3 gas. Old style pushrod engines. More reliable than these turds.
I won't be touching these with a ten foot pole, especially for the unbelievable prices Toyota wants now. These bearing failures also occuring in 23's, and 24's, as shown in other channels. That's what happens when you take a light duty V6 engine and push 400 hp out of it with out increasing bearing surface area. You're essentially taking a small vehicle engine and asking it to do heavy continuous work. I know it has been used in other Toyota cars, but a car is a lighter vehicle, and doesn't typically see continuous load demands, like you see with a truck. A truck is a lot heavier, and is expected to tow and haul for extended periods of time. It makes sense to tie the caps together I suppose. The same effect as when Chevy started using a four bolt main in V8's to withstand higher torque. I doubt that's the issue. But these 3.5 bearing areas are still small, while using lighter oil. I wanted to switch from RAM to Toyota bc of hemi cam lifter issues, but those are nothing compared to this. What you're saying is true about problems across the board, at least with RAM and Ford. I've listened to a few UAW dialogues, and they swear Stellantis corporate in EU is trying to corrupt RAM and Jeep. I think it's management incompetence. They can't even supply trucks with a correct size wiring harness now. They're too short, and they have to stretch them during assembly. People are going over bumps, and connectors are pulling part. The entire auto industry has started a slow motion implosion since covid hit. Meanwhile they want Bentley prices.
Me and my SR5 sitting here looking at each other laughing our ass off.
It looks like you spoke to soon. Two weeks after this video came out Toyota recalled 102,000. Tundras. 2022 AND 2023. I'm sure the 2024 will soon be added to this recall too. Toyota is claiming there was machining debris left in the engines. The problem is that the machining is done by the engine, when the main and rod bearing grenade.
Definitely not the main bearing caps causing the problems imo. This engine was first put into a 2018 LS500 and it has been 6 years and only 2 cases of engine failure for the LS500 but hella cases for the 2022 Tundras. I THINK IT WAS DUE TO RUSHED AND SHORT HANDED COVID TIME PRODUCTION
I think what adds to the problem is that a car only sees high load demand for short duration, as in passing other traffic, or acceleration. Plus it's a light vehicle. But in a truck, it's much heavier, and is expected to tow and haul a lot of weight, up hills sometimes. The engine is going to see higher duration loads, and by default it cuts down on engine longevity. This has been a long standing concept with semi tractors for a long time. You can't take a little engine like this and ask it to do heavy duty work for a long time for the sake of a couple mpg's. It's ridiculous.
If I'm not mistaken, the engines used in the lexus are built in Japan, unlike the engine in the Toyota, which is built in U.S
@@theo21021 you might be correct, but still they are having same main bearing failures on the LS500 and LX600, just in lower numbers. Just trying to figure out what's the cause. The record shows out of the 70 2022 Tundras that has main bearing failures 50 of them was doing 10k mile oil change interval . Possibly it was due to over worked human error = high failure numbers 2022 [ covid times ] IMO
@rottenrottie1515 If the Japanese built engines are seeing issues similar to the U.S. built engines, it's unlikely an assembly problem. I'm not sure if components are japanese made and assembled here. it could be an issue with faulty components or possibly design flaw? Hate to think the engines are that fragile that the failures are due to operating error. Then again, some people are abusive.
What are the symptoms? How many miles on that engine?
You’ll hear a disgusting rattling when you get on the gas. Pretty sure there’s videos
@@2URLex Thanks.
Search Tinkerer’s Adventures latest video, one can hear the rattling. For many the engine seizes and need a tow.
@@OldelCpt I don’t own one but I’m curious, in case. Thanks.
@@OldelCpt I checked his channel and subscribed. Excellent information. My brother bought a used Tundra but it is the V8.
Thanks for sharing this. It’s good to know that there is competent mechanics at the Toyota dealership. I have to take my Tundra back in because they over tightened the lug nuts and stripped the lug. Probably because I always take it in for service on the weekend and thats when the newbies work.
I know more than a few toyota tacoma and tundra owners and these guys routinely change their oil at 10k miles cause "new oil can go that long."
These same guys take their trucks to quicky lube joints cause "I can change my own oil but I'm just too busy."
Are these engine failures connected to extended oci's?
The machine that assembled this eng8ne or person isn't using the right crank bearing clearance or there crapy bearings or the caps are machined wrong
I know I don't have to worry about this. I traded in my 2022 tundra for an F150 today.
It's a GD&T issue, not a design or engineering issue. Bearings too tight or too loose will cause problems whether naturally aspirated or turbo. Toyota had a problem with the 2AZ-FE affecting 7th-generation Camries and 3rd-generation Rav 4s.
Is this problem because of 0W-20 or 0W-16 oil??
I have a 2023 Tacoma I use 0W-20 but feel it’s thin???
When it gets cold like -30F that is the best oil for that engine, There has been lots of study's by now on thin synthetic oils.
In this case, it's more easy to put in a new engine.?
You can't get a new long block from Toyota. Only a short block.
Are they have problems with turbos
If that was my truck, I would definitely not want it back and request a manufacturers lemon buyback. I understand you may be a qualified technician but I can assure you you will never be able to put that back the way it was from the factory. yes, it will run, it will never be as it was when it was new and if the customer is paying for a new truck and the disassembly is advanced I would definitely just want a replacement new tundra. by the way, don’t forget to all the people with this engine that the LS 500 Lexus has essentially the same and potentially the same failure .
I'ts the "bump" you hear on startup causing it?
I wouldn't want this truck after a flat rate mechanic slapped it together. Nothing would ever be right and I would unload it as soon as possible.
Without knowing what the problem is and having Toyota actually saying it was fixed for 2023 on - I do not believe it.
Also saw that 2023 on is having problems - maybe because they have not got enough mileage. Also what percent having problems. Hit or miss that someone might get engine?
Other channels are saying they are seeing the same failures on the 2023 and 2024 models. It ain’t fixed
The issue is present in Tundra 2022 to 2024 , Sequoia 2022 to 2024 and Lexus LX600.
have not heard anything on the sequoia
And soon to be LX550.
There are multiple RUclipsrs who have reported the same issues in 2024 models I wouldn’t. Hard to believe Toyota would be so reckless with an engine design going in a truck with decades of history of reliability. That legacy is completely ruined, but on a positive note, the value of my V8 tundra is intact.
Yeah the new Tacoma is going to be great with a turbo 4. Go ahead fanboys. Waste your money. Nissan looking better all the time.
Will Toyota cover this failure once the vehicle is out of warranty?
One defected part takes the whole engine down. It’s all about quality parts manufacture that goes inside it but it probably had a slight defect. What caused the engine to fail
What have you heard about the TRD Pro Tundra 2022 mind? Just gave out yesterday?
No way! If this was happening with all of the other manufacturers we would hear about it just as much as we hear about it from Toyota.
Dude says Toyota quality is not going down....and justifies it by saying all manufactures quality is going down. Might want to rethink that statement as it makes no sense at all.
Got a 22 what would be an indication you’re having this type of issue, I’m at 15k have not noticed anything yet And I usually pull about 7k thanks.
You will start to hear a LOUD abnormal knocking sound during engine operation. and also keep in mind it doesn't mean just because you have a 22, it's all hopes lost. It's a small number compared to how many Toyota sold.
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder casing. My theory is that the differential expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Solution: maybe go back to resin coating? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate?
How many certified toyota technicians can actually pull this truck apart and assemble it back together perfectly? That's the biggest risk. I don't want a vehicle torn apart buy the guy who's working to beat the job clock.
replace short block not fix problems because shafter metals still in oil circuit cyl head turbo
im not aware of a "brand new model" that came out during the covid years ....that did NOT have more issues than normal. Most of the issues im aware of have been maufacturing/supplier issues as opposed to design. Across all brands. I do believe that covid and the fear there of has left a signficant black mark on the auto industry that will take years to get over.
Not just 22s. My neighbor had his 23 bought back under lemon law a few months ago.
If a bearing burns up doesn’t metal enter the oil pan and to the turbo bearing ? ? ?
The oil pickup screen will catch some, and the oil filter will catch the rest. Unless we see metal debris or damage components on the top end. In this case, the metal debris didn't pass the oil filter, so we will re-use the other components.
@@TheYotaChannel "so we will re-use the other components." that there says "dump it"
Thanks for great video
2024 is having same issue 👍🏻
I heard the blocks were not being properly cleaned after the machining and debris was still in passageways.
One thing is for sure, Toyota is hoping you don't figure it out until after the warranty expires.
Hard to believe a manufacturer with Toyota's budget couldn't properly endurance test these engines before homologation. A warranted full build is nice and all but 1. It's a huge inconvenience and 2. Your truck is not going to feel very new anymore
Problem is putting in a short block not changing the compleat engine and repeat failures ARE showing up,,,,every oiled part is junk after a spun bearing. And as the wind blows dust inside for the at minimum 3 days the engine is scattered, actually the truck is is junk after any major failure
Yes, you would think they would replace the whole engine..... If it was a head gasket, then sure remove the head and do it.. but this is the worst problem that could happen in a car.
What makes me concern is if the bearing fail something else is likely also compromised. And a full disassembly and reassembly introduces risk of further other issues if mechanic does not do it right.
All in all the new v6 is not as good as the original v8…
Something is blocking/ restricting the oil gallery to the front main bearing. It could be a bad gallery drilling, a missing hole in the gasket or the bearing shell or an assembly mistake like, inverting the upper and lower shells. Bad, supplied parts, seem to be common, lately. The design itself, is wonderful.
I still believe there’s something wrong with manufacturing. A missing hole in the gasket would cause it to spin within break in period lol.
I've seen some 23 and 24's with similar issues. I own toyota, but when that warranty is up, better have 30k+.
Who is making these new engines for Tundra, GX, Sequoia, LC300, LX e.t.c. ? Is it one manufacturer or different ones? Can it be that engines for lexus and LC are made in Japan and for everything else in US? Could it be different parts manufactured at different places, so these particular vehicles have issues with them?