Doctor Who 60th Anniversary Sp. #3 "The Giggle" | SPECIAL REACTION!!
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In a way the 14th Doctor is the fulfillment of the 10ths last wish. He didn't have to go.
"The One Who Waits" is going to have to be something pretty special, if it's something even the Toymaker fears.
Knowing how RTD trumps up returning enemies, it’s either the Rani or the Meddling Monk! 😂😂😂
Or Pond-related? The girl who waited, the plastic guy who waited 2000 years....@@stickytapenrust6869
I was thinking maybe Rassilon. As he was banished off Gallifrey in Hell Bent & thus wasn't present when Sacha's Master destroyed Gallifrey. Either that or maybe Omega --__o__--@@stickytapenrust6869
Fifteen using words like "Mavic Chen" and "Logopolis" is still crazy to me.
David Tennant is commando in the final battle 😅
This is cannon
There’s so many good lines in this episode - “I’m Donna and you’re a goner”, also “WELL, THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!” for example. I love the deep references with the puppets of previous Nu Who companions, also the scene with 15 listing off events and people. I did not expect to hear “Spice Up Your Life” 😂 it had me cackling and puzzled, in a good way. I’m excited for 15’s era, The Church on Ruby Road looks good with the preview clips and episode stills.
I honestly thought NPH was amazing in this, all the accents, all the physical stuff, the amazing face acting that meant we could see every thought he had, stunning.
A good way to describe the Toymaker would be an Eldritch god in the vein of Sheogorath from Elder Scrolls. Insane reality warping power, but he just wants to mess with people and play games. No care for our concepts of Good and Evil, just Game.
never heard the comparison w/ sheogorath but that is spot on!
I saw a video the other day that turned me onto the idea of the Timeless Child. It's basically just a montage of things from as far back as the 3rd Doctor's run that really did foreshadow it. It was always there on some level. Not saying "this was always the plan", but it didn't come out of nowhere. The 3rd Doctor implied his actual age was somewhere in the several thousands of years, the 7th implied he was around at the time of Omega and helped create the Hand of Omega, the 4th MET Omega, who did bring up that the Time Lords weren't always capable of things like regeneration. It's wild, but it was always there. Some level of doubt about the origins we've been told. It's not bad writing, characters can just lie... Or be wrong, or not have the whole picture.
The Doctor - almost - lets some information slip!: From The Mind Of Evil. 1971.
Prof. Kettering: I tell you that man's death had nothing to do with this machine, and if you were a scientist you'd understand.
The Third Doctor: If I were a scientist? Let me tell you, sir, that I am a scientist, and I have been for several thousand . . (cuts off) !
Oops! As you say, i remember that at the time, and his previous incarnation's claim that he was around 450 years old, and latched onto it! 🤔
Neil Patrick Harris did amazing.
I still cannot hate him.... even when he's bad, he's so good.
What I've noticed about Doctor Who as of late is that the people who love the show still love the show and the people who can't get over their political issues still can't get over their political issues.
But for some reason they never leave lol
8:23 remember her! She was a recurring news presenter in the RTD era.
Its been confirmed that the toymaker was the reason the bi-generation triggered. Both 14 & 15 are The Doctor, not two separate beings, and judging by what 15 said "I'm fine because you fixed yourself, we're timelords we are doing rehab out of order" it's easy to assume that 14 will take a break, live a normal life, regenerate into 15, and be sent back to the moment the bi-generation happened.
That is part of the reason, the other part that fans are bringing up, is that 14 was still within his first 15 hours after regeneration, RTD said so when asked how long 14 was around before the bi-generation triggered. And if we remember what happened when he lost his hand when he was still within his first 15 hours, that may have been a factor along with the Toymaker
But how, its not like he disappears & reappears again - he's been there all the way through so how can simply jump back in at a particular point?
@@Paul_1971 I mean, that is what happened. Its been confirmed by RTD that once 14 dies and regenerates he will be taken back to that point in time as 15
It hasn’t been confirmed and I don’t think it’s accurate.
@@commanderelitenot it wasn’t. You’re literally making stuff up. The ONLY thing that RTD has confirmed is that the Bi-Generation occurred with ALL incarnations due to the Toymaker. He literally says this in the commentary for the special. At no point does he ever “confirm” that it’s a time loop…
They are BOTH the Doctor. David isn’t going to turn into Ncuti because Ncuti is already here. They are separate beings but are both the same person with the same history and memories.
29:08 - Erm, no. Adric wasn’t the first companion to die. That was Katarina in The Dalek Masterplan, so it’s ironic that story’s Chief Villain, Mavic Chen is name dropped but everyone forgot about the handmaiden from Troy. WELL, THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!😁😉
True. But Katarina being a companion is such a strange fact that I forgot.
@@7thHourFilms I can still hear Peter Purves' voice yelling Katerina! after all these years. That death of a character made a very big and sad impression on me at that age. So much that my parents almost stopped me watching it.
Here in the UK, now that the vast majority of classic Doctor Who has recently gone up on BBCiPlayer, it's very easy for new viewers to investigate any call backs or old companions if they wish to. It's up to them whether they want to go and watch Mel's episodes after seeing this episode but it's easier than it's ever been to do stuff like that without having to spend an extra penny. :)
Ncuti is 15, both him and 14 are legitimate incarnations
It was already said in the commentary of this episode, that they only "teased" The Master. You can say to keep the door open for the future, but they said that he will not come back in the upcoming seasons.
I enjoyed this. I'm very excited for Ncuti's era. Have to tell you, every time you used the phrase, "This is the hill I'm going to die on." I kept thinking of American Civil War officer, General Sedgwick, who said, "What are you running for? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" Right before getting shot in the eye. 😂 Sorry you've got a cold. Hope you feel better soon!
I i would laugh if for the 65th, they brought back 10, The Metacrisis and 14 for a multi doctor special...
Big Omega Hints energy when the Toymaker was talking about the one he didn’t dare face, The One Who Waits.
Omega's a possibility. The Valeyard was the first thing that came to my mind. And it would be amusing if it's the Black Guardian as Alex would be kinda annoyed. 😂
I figure it might be Fenric
@@whobp8Valeyard, Fenric, Sutekh, and Omega have all been tossed around, probably not the BG since the Toymaker said in this that he did play against them, of course everyone is just ignoring the obvious fact that the One Who Waits is the Animus
@@domsquared9878 Meglos. 🌵🤣
@@whobp8 hopefully he’ll keep on waiting 😂
I never picked up on the split clothing until watching Watch with Marcella.
I think of the numbering of the Doctor as with Led Zeppelin I, II and III then the fourth was untitled but is known as IV as it was the fourth, or is that simplistic.
You can call someone a doll to show that you like the person or think the person is attractive or pleasant.
We're never getting rid of Tennant. 🤣
It wasn't even the plan to have him. He's just been living at the BBC waiting for his moment to strike!
Absolutley love this special. Best who since Matt Smithe era
Capaldis era was great too
A thing with the Master hit me after seeing the scene with someone picking up the tooth at the end. How did anyone in 2023 know that was the Master? The Toymaker told 14 and Donna in 1925 and it was not discussed again. Did the Toymaker plant someone in Unit?
21:02 which means Tennant doctor had no underwear!
This was the most wholesome ending for a doctor, so many happy tears :)
Very curious to see where its going, confusing as it may become lol New New Who is gonna be amazing
I bet when 14 regenerates he will go back to the moment of the bi generation and become ncuti
Love ncutis Scottish glad he kept it
Ncuti is still 15 like David is 10 and 14
David did a great job representing Matt,Peter and Jodie
RTD kinda confirmed that point in an audio commentary, hence the line about Time Lords doing rehab out of order. The Bi-Generation is basically a closed Timeloop Regeneration
29:34 theyve been making more of a push for classic, tales of the tardis helps, the bluray box sets, animated episodes. In in UK, iplayer has every episode available
The dialogue that Ncuti's Doctor gives, to me (and a fair few others that I've seen) implies that he is still the next Doctor. That after this period of healing and recovering and "rehab", that David's Doctor will somehow travel back in time in order to become this new Doctor, who has finally processed the trauma of all their long years.
And yes, RTD has put forth his theory that runs counter to it, but... no. The idea that this is some kind of weird, non-linear loop is infinitely more interesting to me. It also just feels more right, like it's what the episode is trying to say.
And I think it's a beautiful idea, especially in light of lines like "I'm okay because you fix yourself" and "we do rehab out of order" and "you're older than me". RTD brought the show back in 2005, declaring that the Time Lords were dead, and that the Doctor was responsible. The shadow of that trauma lasted for nearly twenty years, until RTD came back and said "And then the Doctor sat down with their friends, and they got better".
Also, as per the novalisation, that is not the Noble-Temple house. That's the DOCTOR'S house, he bought a house that he lives in. The Ponds would be horrified.
I personally loved this episode, and despite the whole kerfuffle with bi-generation (which I personally like the theory that, based upon what 15 said to 14 about doing therapy out of order and being fine because 14 took time to fix himself and being established as the older of the two, means that 15 comes from after 14 takes all the time to fix himself and eventually regenerates again into 15 who snaps back to that rooftop) I find myself really, really ok with it. I still find the Numbers to hold true as well, especially if me and a lot of others are correct in how bi-generation works (I also particularly like the idea that the only way it even happened was because the Toymaker was around breaking reality, having him lose because of his own actions ultimately would be perfect).
A part of that is my bias towards the fact that finally a Doctor with David Tennants face is around for longer than an abysmally short amount of in universe time. 10 was around for roughly 9 or so years, and 14 was around until bi-generation for at most 15 hours, and in my opinion any incarnation existing for such a short amount of time is a majorly depressing tragedy that these entire three specials I was hoping there would be a gap 14 could get a lot of time in, and we got that!
Following on from that, I am unsure if you have heard but the line about the Toymaker making a jigsaw puzzle of The Doctors History was put in by RTD to explicitly address the Doctors contradictory pass, namely the half-human stuff from the TV movie and The Timeless Child, which I find retroactively makes that arc much more interesting and acceptable as addition to canon, with it making it so 13 was being faced with her past literally being edited without her knowledge by a being she didn't know was there. The Doctor was originally born as a young boy who would become the version Hartnell portrayed, until the Toymaker started messing with things.
My personal thoughts on the three specials are that they improved one after another. The Star Beast was rather good, Wild Blue Yonder was better, and then The Giggle here was just fantstic. I am more than excited for the era of Ncuti Gatwa and the 15th doctor, and look forward to your reactions to it all! Now, I should probably go watch your Classic Who reactions shouldn't I? I need to resume my watch through anyway.
I tend to think of the new Tennant incarnation as a Mayfly Doctor. In fact, to expand the metaphor, he could be defined as chrysalis or cocoon for the Ncuti Doctor. After all, the "Fourteenth" is only the Doctor for a number of hours, so it's not impossible that Gatwa was already in there, so to speak. Once the Toymaker gets involved, the impetus for the Doctor to shed his old skin is provided.
This also lines up with something RTD said on the iPlayer commentary; that all incarnations of the Doctor, at that point, retroactively bi-generated, creating a Doctorverse of sorts. However, I think that "14" will eventually fade away once he's healed sufficiently to move on. It's not perfect, but I think it makes sense for the most part.
I love that theory, but it's completely wrong.
Like they said, they are doing rehab out of order.
14 is going to live a long time.. maybe a million years like he told Donna it woudl take to be OK. At that point he regenerates, but 15 does emerge from the regeneration, he emerges in the past from the bi generation (time is not linear here) 15 has already lived the MAYBE million years as 14, he has gotten better
@@backtoearth1983 I don't know if it's completely wrong. It's all fairly ambiguous at the moment, I would say. There's very little evidence to suggest that 14 will regenerate into 15 at a later date; that'll just overcomplicate things, quite frankly.
An idea I heard recently suggests that the mythological status of the bigeneration is absolutely the result of the Toymaker's intervention. As I said, the concept of retroactive bigeneration does seem to suggest that it's more likely that both the regenerated and unregenerated Doctors (from Hartnell to Whittaker, at least) co-exist in separate timelines; hence Seven's line in Tales of the TARDIS about having regenerated in one timeline but not in another. You might be right, though.
@@backtoearth1983 I like how neat and tidy the "time loop" theory is, but I wish people would stop stating it like it's fact. It hasn't been officially confirmed anywhere (as far as I know) and while it's a good theory that could make sense, it doesn't really line up with things RTD has been saying. Watch the commentary for this episode and the behind the scenes clips. Bi generation is likened to an amoeba splitting in two suggesting it's similar to mitosis; a single entity splitting and forming two complete separate entities. He's also suggested that this bi generation may have rippled back through The Doctor's timeline splitting off each of his previous incarnations at the point of regeneration, a "gift of The Toymaker" he called it, meaning it was only possible due to his influence.
RTD did call that idea a "theory" of his own though, likely meaning he hasn't committed to it yet so we won't know exactly what he's going to do until he confirms it or we see in later episodes. Personally I like the idea that 14 eventually regenerates into The Curator to explain that incarnation and how it had future knowledge.
22:17 My response was: "Oh, COME ON!"
I think of it like The Watcher from 4th’s regeneration. Living a bit of a semi retirement and then (on or off screen) becomes 15 somehow.
so this is how time lords are made
RTD doesn’t give a toss anymore he’s calling people out constantly these days. He was desperate to write about the AIDS epidemic in the 1980’s and couldn’t get it until the last few years. I would highly recommend’ It’s A Sin” it’s heartbreaking and it’s brilliant. His best writing!
Which number Ncuti is depends on how you count. Personally I'd go with the way US presidents are counted, with Grover Cleveland as the 22nd and 24th president.
Yes, he does. The rules of the game. His entire existence is bound by that logic. Imagine if the game was Dungeons and Dragons.
Who gets to be GM? Maybe flip a coin for it; the winner gets the power of the toymaker during the game.
41:20 Noddy and Geno.
Born Carole Ann Lillian Higgins.
16 June 1940 (age 83)
Ilford, Essex, England
Education Barking Abbey Grammar School
Occupation Actress
Years active 1948-present
Known for First Doctor Who companion
The Day of the Triffids
Television Doctor Who (1963-64;
1983, 1993)
41:18 A good doll who isn't a monster... Barbie?
Just call Ncuti what he is The Fifteenth Doctor.
I don't know how you can judge a story that has 3 missing episodes part of the problem is the reconstruction but people said "The Enemy of the World" was a boring story because Episode 3 was the only existing episode at the time but when they found the rest in Nigeria that story has become an all time classic but had the rest of "The Celestial Toymaker" had been found I think opinions would slightly change personally foe me I love that story and it's one of Hartnell's most memorable stories.
Alittle error here Mel Bush is not the first redhead there's Liz Shaw and Turlough Mel was not regarded as one of the most popular companions back in the 80's as she was the screaming queen and had no character development but they did her better here.
The Timeless Child is pretty much done and retconned The Toymaker said to him "I jumbled up your history do you like it?" So he's back to being a Time Lord I think RTD is slowly getting rid of it but not completely.
The Toymaker skips Graham, Ryan, Yaz and Dan because they didn't have tragic endings.
The woman picking up the gold tooth that scene reminds me of "Flash Gordon"(1980).
I love Ncuti's entrance and his energy but hated that bi-regeneration I would had preferred that David Tennant had just simply changed into Ncuti it's nice as a one-off new idea but I hope it doesn't happen again.
My understanding is 14 will still regenerate into 15 after his long settled life with the Noble family we just won't see in on-screen which is why 15 is fixed and happier.
Overall the specials were good 1 and 3 were the best but this isn't what I would call an anniversary special.
What the Toymaker actually says is "I made a jigsaw of your life". What's fascinating about that is that a jigsaw, when put together, reveals a complete picture. As such, it's a question of piecing it all together rather than discarding certain elements one may not personally like. That's the interesting part in my view.
The shot of the hand picking up the tooth is I assume a reference to the shot of the hand picking up the master’s ring at the end of series 3
NPHs publisity photos gave him away, i got you on youtube, most of the toymakers episode is missing there is animation available
I have seen Class and Tales Of The Tardis both spin offs of Doctor Who. I have seen Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures. I have seen your reaction to K9 And Company.
Yeaaaah Susan is most likely dead dude. She was part of the time war last time we heard about her and even tho the doctor saved galifry, hundreds of timelords still died in the war. Not to mention even if she did survive that stupid plot about the Master somehow killing all the timelords probably killed her
I was kinda thinking just take the Tardis to the 2160s and find her there. I tend not to think of expanded cannon.
Is Classic Who on Disney+ outside of the UK?
It's never going to Disney+ it's only from the 60th anniversary specials onwards the rest is completely owned by the BBC the only way you can watch classic on the streaming service is BBC iplayer or Britbox outside the UK.
Mel is the companion to the 6stband 7th doctors
Ncuti is 15 and since its Disney his season is 01
I think people vastly over-estimate how much power Disney has over DW now. I'm pretty sure it's just international streaming. Netflix had it, HBO Max had it. It was still the same numbering from 2005.
@@7thHourFilmsits pretty much confirmed that it is gonna be called season 1 another soft reboot like what happened in 2005. It will still be series 14 for me tho lol
Have to say I feel this one they recycled an older episode as like woman who says she is the wire or something who is inside a tv back in 10th doctor I believe
There isn't any, most make short video saying uploaded to daily motion and say thoughts on youtube or tell people to comment on youtube their thoughts
41:20 Barbie.
Ncuti's the Fifteenth Doctor, because 14 fades away back into the bi-generation, basically, 15 has all the memories from 14's existence, that's why he's fixed, he's done rehab out of order😅
So now the 60th specials are all said and done, where do you stand on this Tennant Doctor? Do you consider him as the 14th? (I know you said you don't care but still.. they are 14 & 15) come on Alex admit you are wrong for once! 😆
Also, I think there's probably not going to be too much angst with 15 as that's the whole point of 14 stopping so he can try and recover from everything including the timeless child and the Flux and, as others have said in the comments, it is implied that 14 will eventually become 15 properly hence the line "I'm better because you fixed yourself'.
Fine. I admit that I was wrong. Now, if you'll excuse me, that grave I dug on the hill won't fill itself.
@@7thHourFilms It's a Christmas miracle! 😄
Shouldn't 14's last line have been "I've never been so happy in all my lives."?🤔
You never sore the orginal episode. No one has since the 60s?
I guess technically. I listened to the first 3 parts and watched Part 4 since it was found.
@thelivingbarfpoo2363 Well except the kids who were fortunate enough to watch and remember those episodes in the 60's that would now be in their 60s and 70s.
But yeah no one after that would had watched it since the original tapes were wiped after broadcast.
@@joshuajoshua2732 it's a shame really I enjoyed the last episode
@@joshuajoshua2732 Ha ha! . . . Oh s**t! I am one of those kids! 😧!
Stop the Turlough erasure. Turlough was the first redhead, not Mel.
Yes, but Mel doesn't know that, does she?
@@andrewbowman4611 Indeed. I've seen some saying "RTD should know that Mel wasn't the first redhead companion", to which my response is, "No doubt he knows that very well, but it's Mel talking here, not RTD".
@@ftumschkexactly. That's a bit like Amy entering the TARDIS for the first time saying "Look, I know I'm not the first Scot you've travelled with"
The reason why Turlough is a redhead is because Mark Strickson is a natural blonde but had to dye his hair red to differentiate himself from Peter Davison.
@benjaminwilson2945 Ah correction Liz Shaw was actually the first redhead.
Honestly given all the links i feel like watching classic is now compulsary for any fan of the shos
Jo,Sarah Jane, Tegan, Mel, Ace all having big roles in episodes
The frequent mentions of the Brigadier and now also Adric
Daleks, Toymaker, Cybermen, Macra, Great Intelligence, Ice Warriors, Autons, Silurians, The Master, Alpha Centuri, Zygons, Sisterhood of Karn
Cameo from Ian
So many referencea to previous stories.
I think theres so much that a new who viewer isn't getting. Kts one thing that bugs me with reactors like Shayla, they just refuse.
I really like the episode, but I don't like the ending where 10/14 didn't regenerate into 15 and stayed on earth.
But he DID regen into 15. It's just... on a delay. In like 300 years time 14 will just kinda vanish and 15 will emerge here.
@@7thHourFilms Exactly.
So… I personally didn’t like this episode. However! I was entertained! Which just shows that RTD is a great writer!
It felt like fan fiction to me, and most of the ideas for these three specials were recycled from previous RTD scripts. I enjoyed it for what it was, but it definitely could have been better. A lot better.