Complete M1, M1A1, & M2 Carbine History: My Favorite WWII American Rifle
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- For this Labor Day holiday weekend, we decided to revisit the M1 Carbine family. This is one of my favorite military firearms, and my favorite American rifle of World War II. Yes that does mean I do prefer the M1 Carbine over the M1 Garand, and I do explain why in the video.
We talk about the design and development of the carbine from the late 1930s and into the war. We touch upon its military service from 1942, throughout Korea, and even into Vietnam. We look at the original M1, the paratrooper's M1A1, the select-fire M2, and get a bit into the M3 and its first generation night vision optic.
Between 1941 and 1945, 10 US companies turned out roughly 6,221,220 carbines. This makes it the most massed produced American smallarm of the entire war.
Below is a list of manufacturers and the number of carbines built....
1) Inland Division, General Motors - 2,632,097
2) Winchester - 828,059
3) Underwood-Elliot-Fisher - 545,616
4) Saginaw Steering Gear, General Motors - 517,212
5) National Postal Meter - 413,017
6) Quality Hardware - 359,666
7) IBM - 346,500
8) Standard Products - 247,160
9) Rock-Ola - 228,500
10) Commercial Controls (formarly NPM) - 239
Additionally, Irwin-Pedersen & Auto-Ordnance briefly produced receivers.
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Great video. My dad served in Korea with a M2. He always spoke fondly of it. About 5 years back I was able to get him a 1942 Standard Products with lug and post war sight. He loves that little M1. It sure is fun to engage soda army's with!
Great video Misha about my favorite gun! My father was a career Army officer and was an artillery battalion commander in Europe during WWII. I have his Inland 1944 M1 carbine and shot it many times as a boy. I even shot two pronghorn antelope with it during a West Texas hunt. Today it is my primary home defense long gun, loaded with either Hornady Critical Defense or Underwood Extreme Cavitator rounds. It is still fun to shoot! Thanks for the memories.
I've done extensive scientific studies with the M-1 Carbine(shooting at junk cars) ,and I can attest that the 30 caliber round is a lot more powerful than some people give it credit for .I love those guns.
Excellent presentation as always. My father , a veteran of the Korean War, my Uncle Frank (47th regimental combat team, 9th Army) , my Uncle Charles a Raider in the Pacific and my friend Jimmy Zamito (USMC Recondo) all preferred the M1 carbine as a combat rifle. All of them saw combat and they understood what worked, and what did not. M1 carbines in US service used non corrosive ammunition. It is a light and handy weapon that rarely broke down. It lacked the stopping power of the M1 rifle but mid WW2 they issued an armor penetrating ammunition that tended to shoot straight through enemies. The M1 carbine ,with a center mass shot is an effective weapon which out ranged sub machine guns and offered good suppressive firepower. These carbines are still in use in third world countries but are being replaced by AK 47s.
I remember $29.99 at our local sporting goods store in 1950's, should have bought M1 Carbine instead of my 30-30
or both since pre-64
Just picked up my first M1 Carbine. Very helpful video.
Another outstanding presentation , sir. I agree the M1 carbine was America’s best and most versatile rifle of the War. My Uncle Frank was in the 9th Army , 47th Regimental Combat Team. He was a sergeant and served from North Africa to Sicily to D-Day across France to cross the Ludendorff bridge ( he was among the first to cross) and across Germany.Very early on he exchanged his Thompson sub machine gun for an M1 carbine. He said it was a great weapon, easy to use and deadly . He said the early models had push button safety and magazine catches. It was easy to confuse them and accidentally dump the magazine. He quickly learned and used his M1 carbine throughout the war. He was able to retain it and send it home. I own it. He swore by his M1 carbine. He told me that the M1 carbine was a favorite weapon of the Germans, who reissued any captured carbines.
My father served in Korea ,he never spoke of it but he favored his M1 carbine. He said it never failed him. I have a friend who served in a reconnaissance unit in Vietnam who carried an M1 carbine and found it an excellent weapon.
I use the M1 carbine as a home defense rifle. It is an excellent rifle. Only the magazines need attention. They wear out quickly.
Great presentation! I love the M1 Carbine, it's one of my favorite weapons to own and shoot! I've had an AO remake for about 7-8yrs, and have fired a few thousands rds through it (mostly Tula) without a problem! I suppose I got lucky and picked up a good one, as I hear some are unreliable. I use those KCA 30rd mags, they're great! I've found it to be very accurate, even with Tula... printing 2-3" groups at 100 yards. It's so light and handy, a great rifle to carry around in the woods (hiking, camping, etc). It's great for smaller statured folks! Minimal recoil, reliable, accurate, and just so damn cool looking!
Thanks for the info that I lacked. I admire you. Semper Fi.
Great video! I got the WW2 gun itch a few years ago after shooting a friend’s M1 Garand and M1 Carbine. Now I own a H&R M1 and complete Saginaw M1 Carbine. People are amazed when I tell them GM made guns. Hopefully, I will be one of the lucky ones to be getting a M1911 from the CMP. Keep up the good work!
Exactly, the mfgrs of the M1 Carbine are just fun....automobile parts, typewriters, calculators, tole meters, etc.....pretty much everything and anything except firearms lol. Well of course with the exception of Winchester, and that's maybe why i consider those the dullest of the M1 carbines maybe? hehe
I remember as a kid in the 70's in those big phonebook size Sears and Montgomery Ward catalogs the Inland M1 Carbine with the ventilated hanguard was $179. You could order it from the catalog, and pick it up at your local Sears or Montgomery Ward store.
The actual definition of "intermediate" is coming between two things. Not specifically halfway between two things. So the M2 is a true assault weapon and the first assault weapon for USGI. The .30 carbine clearly falls between a pistol cart and a rifle cart. Text book intermediate. the .30 carbine has equal to or more energy at 100yds than a .357mag at point blank in a pistol barrel.
As always I enjoy your long form videos. Happy holiday weekend!
Thanks much & have a restful weekend yourself.
My grandfather used the M2 during his sevice during the Korean War and with it he charged a MG nest thatcwas suppresing his company and got a bronze star anf also made the news. He got a second bronze star which I dont know what happened but what I do know is that he got shot in the arm and got a purple heart.
My father a WW2 Marine MAG 32 part of General Kruegers 6th Army.He chucked his garand for the carbine,Garand was too heavy to carry all day long with the ammo,perfect jungle fighting weapon.
Awesome video. Growing up I always thought the Carbine was the coolest rifle from WWII. My dad and his friends were very dismissive of it though from their experiences in Korea (dad was a Garand fan and his Marine buddy swore by the BAR).
Thank you gentlemen for another great review.
And thank you for watching it. We will be doing a bit more with American firearms later on this year, esp. the M14 trials, T48, and so on.
Good job 👏
Great video! I'm actually looking at adding a repro to my collection. This was very insightful on the different models/types that were available.
Glad it was of some use. I had an Auto-Ordnance repro M1A1 for a long time and it was a good enough little gun, but while generally it looked right, in the details it was off in several places. I know the Fulton repros might be better than the Inland Mfg ones, but on the otherhand, they are nearly double the price. I've found the Inland M1A1 to be a nice compromise between authenticity and cost. It does get most of the small details right and hey, it does say 'Inland' on the side, which is pretty neat regardless.
Dammit Mischaco, now I want to get one. Great video.
You mean you don't have at least 1 M1 carbine? What the hell is wrong with you? =)
@@ozarkbeararms8840 im po
Nice video Misha! I found that the M1 Carbine is a soft shooter, easy to control on follow up shots and very accurate at close range. The Garand is a great rifle, but a hard recoil makes follow up shots spray a bit. When I shoot the M1 Carbine I always come away with a big smile since it is so pleasant to shoot. I read somewhere that during the Battle of the Bulge, the advancing German troops would always grab an M1 Carbine over a Garand as it was light, easy to carry and use.
wish to meet you, Nd use all the guns you display, you are realy a directory of the guns
Great video, cheers from France
I love the M1 Carbine so very much. It was the first rifle I ever shot and I fell in love. I work in a gun shop and recently a gentlemen came in with a Winchester in a high wall stock. He wanted to get it rebarrled but it turned out the reciver was cracked on the right side. Sad!
To be fair, it is quite easy to reweld M1 receivers, and since the .30 cartridge is so mild, its not unsafe to do so.
They are just as deadly at short range as an AR but don't look as "scary". One time I was taking mine to my car and my neighbor yelled out that it was a nice looking .22 I had!! They could be easily mistaken for a .22 rifle because of the small size.
The old Vets said you never saw one laying on the ground. They got snatched up!
Even the Germans liked them and there are photos of them with carbines.
Excellent Misha! Thanks and Christmas Blessings 2020!
Everyone should watch the movie Carbine Williams starring Jimmy Stewart! Great movie!
perhaps the KOR war stories were from
human wave tactics where more penetration
meant being able to take down multiples w/
full power... also perhaps the CHN troops
were using a Pykrete concept purposely
wet/frozen outer layer/panel
There is a video on Ytube and the carbine shoots thru frozen uniforms and ice, ect.The truth is they did not hit the target.
That's one beautiful M2 look a like! Love that stock! I'm jealous!
I forget where i picked up the stock......got it not too long ago....2-3 years perhaps? and it wasn't much money either. With the handguard, it was $60-$70, and that included the metal bits too.
@@ozarkbeararms8840 I wish you were able to remember where you got the stock on that awesome looking M2 Carbine clone. I didn't hear you mention anything about the stock's finish, so I thought it's a possibility that maybe no one has ever pointed out, or asked you about that particular detail. So, just in case no one's ever told you: It's got a super cool Tiger-Stripe type of effect going on within the stain/finish. I would love to find a good stock with a pattern very similar to that, for an M1 that I'm re-furbing
Nice! Thanks! My current car-bEEn (haha) is a Rock-Ola with Inland barrel. I used to have an all Rock-Ola, but swapped so the current owner (who built the guns at Rock-Ola) could have it as a memento. MY carbine is a beautiful return from Austria, while the other was a rather beat-up ROK send-back.
Have you heard about problems with barrel concentrity? The ROK carbine shot badly left, and I have seen a report that some barrel bores off-center was something of an issue.
Regarding the bad rap the little blaster got in Korea, it seems to have been due to missing a lot in full auto. I've shot an M2 in FA, and the light rifle bounces around a LOT! That comp would have helped a lot. A cold, tired, scared soldier without a good bit of training would have a problem holding the rifle on target in FA, so after dumping a mag at an enemy who didn't go down, assuming the gun was no good is an easy conclusion to make.
What nice rifles. I'd love to get my hands on one of those M1A1s.
It's a fcking beautiful weapon.
Awesome video! When was the M1A1 paratrooper rifle phased out? Thanks!
Inland started manufacturing the M1 Scope variant
By scope variant, are you referring to the M3? If so, yep..like i say in the video, most of the others had ended production sometime in 1944.
The M3 has the 1903A4 scope doesn’t it?
They call it the 'T30' Tim at Military Arms Channel has a video: ruclips.net/video/WTNiLMdgfkU/видео.html
Awesome video Misha. I got into the M1 Carbine late (year ago) with an all original 43 Quality Hardware. No refurb upgrade features just plain Jane M1 that’s in really good condition given its age. It still shoots great and out groups most of my carbines. Found two 15 round QH mags and a 43 pouch to put on it. I really enjoy shooting it as well as my 8yr old and his friends. We would take the 10/22 and the M1 out and only shoot a few 10/22 mags then quickly switch to the M1. Great little carbine, and a nice collection you have there for our viewing. Cheers!
I like refurbs for sure, they have interesting features/upgrades...but, there's just something about an original 1943 or 1944 M1. Regarding the pouch, just so its out there, the variant with the large loop in the back was made for the standard webgear belt of the time and not originally meant to go around the M1's buttstock. If you do put one on, be careful as the metal snap will gouge the side of your buttstock. It is best to put a soft piece of leather in between there if possible. Don't want to damage an old collectible stock, esp. if its a highwood.
Ozark Bear Arms it is a high wood, and I’ll look into that metal snap. Thanks for the heads up. After watching your video this morning, it inspired me to take it shooting today. Ran flawlessly. I picked up a bunch of 1950’s various manufacturer 30 carbine military ammo when the carbine was given to me. Yep, passed down from my dad, and my son already has his eyes on it.
Even though the ammo is almost 70 years old and a bit discolored, it still goes bang every time.
What kind of bolt system is your favorite? Is any one system objectively the 'best'? :)
Manual bolt system? or self-loading (automatic)?
Just picked up a inland usgi bring back through a family friend
Has all early features including high wood Stock but it has a type 3 sight. I believe it was a Field modification as it’s not staked in place
Still has cartouche on stock
How much are these worth? I have a feeling I got a friendly price. It has 700xxx serial number range
I’d love if any one could help me identify it I’d greatly appreciate it
Misha is possibly the only knowledgable gun person on youtube who pronounces carbine as 'car-byne' not 'car-bean'
its an Americanism since almost all
non-English languages say "i" as "ee"
Does that M2 look a like have a round bolt? I've heard that the round bolts are stronger than the flat bolts. Not sure if that's true or not.
The round bolts were a strength improvement over the flat ones, according to testing.
Yep, stronger, heavier (more mass to improve cycling), and faster/easier to machine. An all around win.
Yes, if you look at the Underwood, you will see the top of the bolt is round. Now compare that to the IBM's bolt, which is mostly flat ontop.....this was the original style of machining. It looks like a mini-M1 Garand bolt in otherwords, cheers.
Hi, is there any modern equivallent to this system? Something light, with reduced caliber, but more modular.. (not meaning 5.56x45 like AR15 or 7.62x39 AKs)
Are you implying a rugar mini 14? Im not sure how much the mini 14 differs iv never owned one. Though the action length is really similar to the m1 c
I have an underwood and National postal Meter from CMP and a reproduction Paratrooper, all nice shooters, I enjoy them very much.
The commercial carbines are cheap compared to the original,and shoot the same.WW2 Carbines are just way too expensive nowadays.
When the M1 Garand was under development and until 1940 the US Army was smaller than the army of Bulgaria's. The US Army was not much of a major army among the armies of the World of the time.
picked up more than one
since first seeing this vid back when
I figured I'd never have my own... most recent
are a bald/white never re-furbed re-import
and a fully re-parked one that at first
had me wondering if it was one
of the reproductions but
then the sum of evidence
affirmed its indeed from 1943
😀😀😎👍🏼
the padded case is not a reproduction. it never existed. never made as a usgi item. total aftermarket product.
I got my 1943 Underwood M1 Carbine over a year ago, I love the thing and unlike a pistol caliber carbine, the round it shoots will penetrate Kevlar. I don’t believe all the BS from Korea about the rifle, I have seen test which disproved the claims. The only thing I don’t understand, is why they didn’t chose to put the night vision sight on he M1 Garand? You’d think they’d want something that could reach out further with more power.
Now for a question, which 30 round magazines are the best for the M1 Carbine? Do I also need to change the magazine catch to run them?
no but beware of universal clips especially crome ones
might have been CHN troops using
not just multi-layer but purposely frozen
panels in the outer layers for a Pykrete effect
I'd hate to be on the firing line with this guy.....because he might shoot better than me!