⚜ | The He-100 - Germany's Lost Wunderwaffe ?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Let's have a look at the He-100. Many say it could have easily replaced the Bf109, but is this truly so?
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I felt like I was watching a history documentary, keep up the good work!
Weird this plane never made it.....
Schwanzel Stock Too complicated to make I guess
better than history channel "documentaries" like Pawn Stars... that's for sure^^
Except the bad english.
I have to disagree also... can't really find anything wrong with the English....
My father had an aircraft identification book printed in the UK at the start of the war. It contains the He-100.
I’ve got that book too, or one like it. The Germans convinced the British that the He100 was in large scale service. They painted them with various unit markings and leaked the photos.
Three way valves
I checked in my 1940 roof watchers' guide to German aircraft but it only has the fighter versions the He 112 and 113.
@@johnjephcote7636 He 113 is the same as He 100
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I've never heard of this airplane. Thanks for the information. Very well presented.
Fascinating, I knew nothing of the 100.. I'm a big 109 fan, which is how I discovered this video. I found it compelling from start to finish... Keep it up!!
Excellent analysis of a beautiful aircraft that never fought. I made a 1:72 Heinkel-100 model as a teenager and the lines were absolutely gorgeous.
I kept seeing Your videos popping up on my feed, usually dismissed them since I had something else to watch and usually they were gaming videos, of which I had plenty to watch.. I never imagined I missed out on so many excellent quality (informative, coherent, visually enticing) documentary styled videos.. wunderbar my dear friend
had to watch this again after Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles recent video about the Kawasaki Ki-61.
Just a tid bit here that cooling system is how modern Air Conditioning works, all engine cooling systems pressurize their coolant so that the coolant can go to higher temps without boiling, now once it drops to a low pressure zone it evaporates and when a substance evaporates it removes energy from the area. Condense the gas back to liquid and you can do it all over again.
Exceptional information!
I have often wanted to take/teach an aviation history course at a university concentrating on time frames from 1900 to 1918, 1918 to 1927, '27 to '37, and '37 to '47. The time periods are irrelevant, but this information you just put out shows why it needs to be broken down into manageable periods.
Techno-political history of aviation is something sorely missing in formal education. At least you have put a dent in this area! Good job!
This internal coolant application is being somewhat reintroduced now with boundary layer manipulation on wing structures by NASA. Now it's cooling the wings and reducing drag with internal technologies as the "golden idol" for speed.
mm - I think you missed the whole wing loading con that the 109 had on the RLM in 1935 - they turn up with the 109 with its high wing loading (which was actually not what the spec said), and the 112 couldn't match it for high-speed flight, along with the negative feedback the 109Bs had with their air intakes, Heinkel just wanted to prove with a better wing design funky cooling, the 100 addressed both - I think once the 100 had gone to a similar air intake of the 109E it wouldn't have been a problem. The main issues were the 109 was IN production and the shared engine. The engine was the mistake along with the timing, as the Spitfire wasn't really considered an equal of the 109 by the high command in 1938/39. Once that was seen (spitfire V), and a different engine - the FW190 was that second (and better) aircraft. I think if the 100 had happened, the 190 would have been the aircraft we were talking about here.
"Faster Faster Faster... Until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death..."
Flávio Monteiro
This Quote is Accurate
When you go faster your fears seem farther away
Making you more capable of preventing yourself hesitating and ironically in some cases, more capable of surviving.
I'm going to guess the He-100 would had been much more expensive to produce than the BF-109 (which is also the argument I use when I heared someone ask why the FW-190 didn't fully replace the BF-109).
The original P-38 design had something like that. Since the original order was 65 planes, period, Lockheed didn't worry about mass production. They routed the intercooler for the supercharger through the leading edge of the wing, to avoid drag. Didn't work out in practice so well. 😏
Concise and thorough explanations. Altogether excellent work! Keep up the great jobs of all your videos. Thanks.
boy i recall when i used to play War Thunder i got stuck with it, it was a relief to get a good ol 109
Not knowing much about planes but knowing enough about motors, I can say with certainty that had the HE-100 been put into production for combat, there would have been a lot of losses once a single bullet or schrapnel burst severed any part of the wing's cooling system. Once touched the engine would instantly begin to over heat until it seized. It was a great concept for civilian flight but not for war.
By the end of 1939, the latest model He-100 D-1 was ready for mass production WITHOUT the evaporative cooling system. Political reasons killed the project, not the "fear of combat damage inferiority".
Speed's not the only factor, maneuverability, weight, surviveability, cost, maint, design etc..
I guess it would be interesting to compare the prices of the 109 and He 100. You would probably find the 109 was favoured for being a real cheapo in comparison.The rather primitive structure of the 109 was fairly optimal for low cost mass production.
With the 109´s main advantage being a modest speed advantage over the Spitfire (until the Mk.IX outdid the 109G in that respect as well…), the 109 had very little going for it from the start. Especially due to the fact that the speed advantage only lasted until the 109 had to fly a steep turn, in which it would bleed off speed very quickly.
What I also wonder is what the flying characteristics of the He 100s at high lift coefficients were. The small chord in the outer wings suggest to me that they were prone to flic rolling in accelerated stalls and at low speeds. The very thin wing does suggest the same characteristic, so I guess the He 100 would have been a bit of a beast when not flying straight and level at high speed. That obviously is no good for a fighter!
The quote from a post war meeting of 109 and Spitfire pilots probably makes the strongest point, I guess. When a former 109 pilot claimed that "In the hands of an expert, the 109 was a superior plane!", the Spitfire veteran replied "See? Every idiot could fly the Spit!".
Just doing number will ignore such vital factors.
You may be interested in a book "Testpilot auf Beuteflugzeugen". (I forgot the name of the author)
It tells of the experiences a German test pilot made with all the various types of aircraft he got to fly at the Erprobungsstelle at Rechlin, where captured fighters were compared to German designs. He especially admired the P47 for its comparatively low noise level and comfortable cockpit that made it much more bearable to fly for hours on end than sitting in a crammed 109 where the pilot would be permanently busy keeping his jumpy plane on course, for example. A plane that will wear out the pilot´s awareness with merely keeping it flying will not help the fighting! Did the pilots who flew the He 100 find her to be a problematic plane that would not be safe in the hands of freshmen from flying school?
If the He 100 was that demanding beast, even more so than the 109, this probably would have been a show stopper.
In the book series War Planes by MacDonald from 1961, you learn that out off the 3500 Me109E produced, some 800 were lost without enemy interaction. Mainly take off and landing accidents due to the narrow track main gear being nasty to handle. (That equals the number of Spitfires and Seafires lost to accidents. Counting some 800 accident losses out off some 25000 produced. This includes aircraft carrier operation, a high risk scenario *no* German fighter was even capable of, not even mentioning the 109!)
Now imagine what records a plane more dificult to handle than the 109might have ended up with.
I would bet on price and handling chracteristics being the reasons for the He 100 not being introduced into service by the Luftwaffe, thus.
You loose some special things...
a.) the He100 was easy to fly- the Bf109 was a difficult plane, the He100 was smooth and easy...
b.) the He100 had a wide landing gear, not like the Bf109 -> so massivly reduced landing accidents
c.) the view out of a He100 was superb, for 1940 the best in the world! Less surprise because you SEE your enemy approaching
d.) the He100 is around 50km/h faster as any opponent, if you fly high the gap increase - the He100 will be even better here
e.) the He100 has greater range - so could support the bombers deep into the british isles, it could -with drop tanks - reach UK from norway and you suddenly face a huge problem... bombers with escorts attacking the northeastern coast is bad news...
f.) oh, we talk about the He100D1 - with no evaporation cooling but traditional one....
So the faster, cheaper, easier to fly plane with less accidents and more potential improvements was not choosen because of nazi stupidity... cool..
Dude the bf109 ran on 87 octanes because Germany lacked fuels while the allies had plenty of that 150 octanes that boost compression and thus power. On an even basis of octane fuel the bf109 is a monster because it so small and thus less drag with one of that largest fighter engine per liter. Spitfire was a joke! Spitfire had some fat wings all drag.
@@garyseeseverything8615 If you have to claim fictionary conditions for a comparison to explain why your favourite is the bestest you know you are not quite betting on a winner. Are you aware the octane levels for German aircraft engines were as low because the materials used to make the engines were not able to handle higher outputs per stroke volume anyway?
The 109 was designed as the smallest possible airframe to hold the strongest engine that was available, which in the early thirties, when it was designed, was the Rolls Royce Kestrel. The plane was never even properly redesigned to really fit the DB engines, the vertical tail was not adapted to the stronger slipstream, the landing gear was not adapted for the greater weight and changed COG, the design was bogged and skimped together. It was kind of like a hot rod, if you will: Factory designed cars have carefully designed ssupensions that are carefully matched with the speeds the car will be used at, thus with stronger engines redesigned brkes and suspensions are introduced and you may occasionally even see reinforcerd bodies.. The common garage built hot rod mainly looks at one question: How do we get more horsepower into that compact car? The latter pretty much tells the tale of the 109's evolution. Messerschmidt did next to nothing to evolve the 109's airframe, just kept putting in stronger engines and bigger guns. There's a reason why most 109 piolts favoured the F-version. It matched the engine power best of all of them. From then on, the wing remained basically unchanged. Prantl's theorem of ideal lift distribution was ignored in its design, and it showed in the 109's turn performance which was rubbish.
@@Eo_Tunun me109 was fuel injected silt was advanced for the time while the Brits were stuck on carburetor. They made a fighter plane with bomber wings called it a spitfire and had so much surface areas that the drag had to be offset by higher American octanes. The db601 was massive it had no problem cranking over 2000 ponies on the block. As for the airframe I must the me109 had reached it limits of stress but it was designed in the early 1930s. It’s first flight was 1935 and it proved to be a power fighter which is better than a turn fighter such as a spitfire that bleed to much speed in a turn. Everyone knows this it’s not a secret fat wings means more drag.
@@garyseeseverything8615 What the heck do people always freak out over the Db's fucking fuel injection? Yes, it helped with negative Gs, that's it. Otherwise, fuel injection raised complexity of the engine and added points of failure. Carburetors are simple, the just work and work. In aviation, carburetor icing is an issue, but a one that has reliably been coped with.
And yes, Spitfires were bigger. So what? Friction is only one of the factors in the sum that makes the aerodynamic drag. When it comes to induced drag at high angles of attack, thus in tight turns at lower speed, the 109 was complete rubbish while Spitfires performed really well there. That's why Spits turned inside 109's circles so easily. Up to the Mk. IX, the best climb was at 120mph, which means that the polar diagram has the maximum of the term ca³/cd² there, where the wing has the best energy efficiency over time. Once a 109 turned in against a Spitty, the 109 bled of energy quickly and turned into a sitting duck. Against early Spits, 109s could escape from such situations by diving. No 109 could outdive Mk.IXs and later versions anymore, though.
Next, the Spitfire's wing had a 12% thickness at the root and 9% at the wing tip. This thin wing made compresibility effects set in at much higher speeds than with most other designs. Spitfires would in the end be able to outdive even the Me 262!
While there was potential for growth built into the Spitfire's airframe, the 109 was an optimised and super fine tuned package for a 700hp engine and just was overloaded with more. There were some 22000 or 23000 Spitfires and Seafires made. Out off this total, 800 planes were lost without enemy interference. Technical failures and pilot errors and circumstances, including carrier operation. Just accidents.
Of the 109E variant, some 3500 were made. Of this sub-type alone, 800 were lost due to accidents and without enemies putting any bulletholes into them. Narrow track of the gear and high torque and strong corkscrew-effect from the propeller, insufficient rudder efficiency on take-off and landing, sticking automatic slats on one wing, engine failures, hydraulic failurs on the landing gear… But no carrier operation as the 109 just wasn't able to fulfill the carrier based role. (Have ou see the abomination that was the 109H, with which they tried to make the 109 able to operate from the carrier Hindenburg?)
That says enough about what quality of a plane the 109 was. A pretty nasty beast. A widdowmaker. If a pilot survived learning its quirks he had a chance to live long enough to learn to use it. A handful of pilots did so and became aces. The majority was lucky to survive flying them and many never scored a hit. The 109 was really good against low flying bombers. That's it.
German engineering.
The FW190 was their best airplane.
The ME109 was a thoroughbred
Another excellent and informative video. Many Thanks Bro.
Liked! Always good to learn something about aircraft and aeronautical history ;)
What most people don't know is that Germans sweat bologna grease which smells like farts & the cockpit of the BF 109 had a specially designed fart fan for this exact reason. You won't find this in the history books.
Great......Informations that no one had heard of before, but you know them. In Germany you will be called a Klugscheißer. :-)
Never heard of this plane. Well done.
'The whole plane a massive cooling structure'... Sounds like the JSF..and the same kind of problems when considering field use.
Very nice video. It feels like watching a documentary on TV.
I had never heard of this aircraft before. Interesting.
Hi sorry to post to an old (very good!) video. I’ve a question on the He-100 that somebody might be able to help me on.
I’ve done some research and I think there is contradictory information related to the he-100 D-1. it appears the “replacement” of the surface cooling system didn’t actually happen and D-0s & D-1s were actually similar in that regards. The D-1 certainly had a bigger radiator but that was complementary rather than replacing the surface cooling system. The description of the D-1 states bigger horizontal stabilizer, slightly larger cockpit and bigger retractable radiator. my point is that it’s not that much bigger and appear more suitable for additional cooling at takeoff and climbing. also the engine will run hottest as higher speed (on the he-100 the engine was very hot and always required additional cooling). such a massive redesign would change centre of gravity etc so seems unlikely to have been completed on a few additional pre-production aircraft.
Also there seems to be disagreement on how many He-100s were built, 25 aircraft or just 19 prototypes and preproduction aircraft (he-100 D-0). It was the D-0 subtype that was exported to Japan and the USSR with a machine cannon rather than a cannon firing from the spinner and a skin cooling system. there is reason to believe the he-100 D-1 didn’t really formally exist. claims on performance & details of “production” aircraft seem to be rabbeted from a single source from the 1970s which also says all He-100s had surface cooling!
if people question this on the basis of lost speed due to radiator I’d ask where and for what’s specific models with what equipment levels are we talking about and where is this informed actually coming from. more fundamentally the DB-601M engine that’s seems present on what is called the couple of He-100 pre-production B-1s (photographed as he-113s) seems to require the condensation cooling system with the separate retractable radiator more an additional system to avoid overheating in certain conditions.
Heinkel may have had intentions about redesign to remove the skin cooling but I imagine a major redesign would have been required. radiator size on the “B-1” remained overall far smaller than the 109E&F and even the later 109G with the hotter DB-605. And the he-100 was notorious for hot engine temperatures.
thanks...i had never heard of this plane B 4
oh man that water cooler would have been horrible in a war getting any holes in its wings
I wonder if that is where the idea of heating the leading edge with bleed air to combat icing comes from.
With a conventional cooling system, the HE-100 would still have been a formidable fighter airframe...
With ample development, who knows what the 100 could have done? There are so many missteps that all sides had, such as Germany's delay of the FW-190. Or Britain's insistence of sacrificing the excellent Westland Whirlwind for the inferior Hawker Hurricane. It boggles the mind.
I have fun using it, but I wish it had a 20 somewhere on it though.
Reminds me quite a bit of the Macchi Veltro and Folgore
I’ve just recently gotten into model airplanes and learn about the World War II airplanes thanks happy
Great Sum-up! Something honest for once on the web!
Thank you I'd never heard of the heinkel 100 before
Interesting video. I'm enjoying your content. By the way, the evaporative cooling wasn't new or unique to the He100. The British Rolls Royce Goshawk engine used it and it was featured in a number of prototypes in the early 30's, including Mitchell's Supermarine 224. The engine and its cooling system was not successful, nor were its aircraft and its vulnerability to battle damage was recognized, leading to the whole system being abandoned by the Brits by the mid 1930's.
I think the first theory is the correct one. Messerschmitt was chosen to develop most fighter contracts, whilst Heinkel was relegated to bomber contracts.
The d-1 variant of the he 100 already fixed the coolant issue by having a centralised cooling system.
I think the success of the me 209 (with 209 specifically chosen because it resembles 109) Messerschmitt basically cemented their monopoly on fighters.
Excellent analysis.
Really liked that, thank you 👍🏻
Very interesting, thank you.
The HE100 was the better plane . I think it had more potential .The D1 version dispensed with evaporating cooling system . its wide track landing gear and canopy without all that bracing would have meant less accidents and better visibility for the pilot .Plus it just looks faster.
...now I need to do some artwork of this beauty...and I also need to unlock it in War Thunder too
Always fun to see the computer gamers (and nany others of course) in the comments realise in most cases it isn't performance of a war vehicle making it relevant.
There's a lot of factors involved and performance may be most important for propaganda, but it doesn't win you anything if you can't build the vehicle in relevant numbers), you don't have the crew to use the vehicle, you can't support the vehicle and on the same time there is something cheaper, more reliable, your guys already know, that can be replaced, modified or upgraded at any time.
I like your work. Keep on!
Very nice work, thank you!
This is basically the piston driven equivalent of the F-104, speed over everything else.
I just realized, but this plane is the Zudah to Bf-109's Zaku.
If you look at the under side of a spitfire you"ll see two big radiators--a good target for an enemy
Merry Christmas get on the sprouts. have a good day.
Then why is it in War Thunder?
Because it's War Thunder and that game is full of stuff like this...
Well its in the game for like 1 week
Bismarck true
People wanted it. It's really that simple.
Because they calculate their models from what will sell to edgy teens because it looks cool.
Answer is smiply.
More speed often mean less range. Adding low failure resistance and politics end this subject...
Good video! Thanks!
@30 giving the pilot a little "encouragement."
The 'He-113' story caused alarm, and very many allied pilots in 1940 were convinced they had been attacked by this amazing new German aircraft. It was in fact a clever story set up by the German Propaganda Minister.
The HE-100 was, essentially, a flying "heat-pump".
The coolingsystem like old marineengines and yes a bullet this wing would be fatal.
early me109's in north africa couldn't turn inside an american p40 at below 15000 feet. There were many nuances in aircraft, and it isn't as simple as this and that fighter..
Faster, Higher, Farther, but carry a Knife... Always.
In the end, a fast plane, but no 'wonder waffe' at all. To many disadvantages.......
why show the FW 190 at 06:39 and not mention that IT was the wunderwaffe of the german airforce in the early stages of ww2 (from the end of the battle of britain and onwards to 1943) and it was because the he-100 used the same engine as the bf 109 that it wasent chosen.
German soldiers would tell this joke. If you look up and see aircraft, it's the allies. If you look up and see nothing, that's the Luftwaffe.
thank you
Too many vital areas ....would have been a great recon, flying straight on , full power . Try to catch him in 1941..
They should have stuck cameras on it ,lighten it a little bit, and just made it a fast Recon plane. I heard the old mg 17s performed better and that when they went to bigger guns it screwed up the top speed
excellent!
holy shit i thought this was your channel
Joa, danke! Sah ja Streckenweise so aus, als ob das dieses Jahr nichts mehr wird ;) Umsobesser der Erfolg.
It's not?
Are you guys different people?!?!?!
Bismark and MHV
Keep it up!
Who needs millions of dollars to do a documentary.
Not many people when there's multibillion dollar companies letting you use what they bought.
the people who originally dive through archives to get the footage these vids are made from...
Just get some fair use antique footage and a mic! :)
A Hollywood director would need at least a million just to cater the documentary
No thanks .
In war thunder, this thing leaks coolant after being hit by a pebble, so at least they got that right.
Good to know Gaijin does get it right from time to time :)
Epicbobo1 when you load tracers and go into arcade battles
Although the variant they have in game should have a centralised cooling system not a surface cooling system, and it should have a 20mm cannon in the nose.
So gaijin got it wrong imo
@BlackDeathViral03 Well if you are fliying that He and getting shot by it's tier mates you are doing something wrong considering that thing is a bullet.
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The 100 is a beautiful airplane, but looks only get you so far, you did very well in explaining it's weaknesses against other aircraft at the time in particular other German aircraft.
But would it cool a GTX 1080 oc ?
K'nextreme Productions >solder raspberry pi to motherboard
>Nvidia integrated graphics
Massimo O'Kissed I have no problems with my gtx 1080 armor oc... What are you talking about?
Daniel DeLeon Ok, thanks for the tip
If it went fast enough probably ya
And still do so after being riddled with bullet holes?
Not only a informative but well made. The History Channel could learn a lot from you...like...for instance....how not not make their videos dumbed-down and boring long winded andddddd ... saying stuff in 8:30 instead of 45 minutes. great job THANKS!
Danke :)
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Thanks for that comment. He he, exp. part three . . .
DataWaveTaGo - You forgot Part 5 - Did aliens help Heinkel with the development of the He-100?
US documentaries suck anyways. Not hard to do better than History Channel quality...
I decided to give you oak leaves with the Iron Cross
Thank you very much o7
Pff, I gave him an Iron Cross with Diamonds AND oak leaves. Lift your game, m8
I'm giving him the Iron Cross with swords and Diamonds Jacks and Aces with some Kings. What the deuce?
Fear the notion ah shit ya got me
Mike Tauppermann with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
Excellent video - again. From the sources I've read, it was superior in all aspects to the ME109. The HE100 v8 version removed the experimental radiator for more conventional one and still showed excellent characteristics. Its range was also superior to the ME109 and used fewer parts. It's a pity/lucky it wasn't produced at the time of the original completion to realise its true potential.
Superior in all aspects to the 109. Right up until the moment it takes a burst of mg fire.....
@@darrenjpeters The comment addressed that, the V8 prototype removed the experimental radiator for a conventional one, which would have the same level of durability as the coolant radiator on the 109 - and the V8 still displayed excellent performance.
It means Hitler snd his cronies were complete morons picking that crap bucket 109....narrow landing gear etc,I read an aces account of the 109 and he had a furious name for it...The Germans had engineering that politics got totally in the way of...such as the Panther tank.
Excellent video. The evaporative cooling had been tried before - the Supermarine 224 / Goshawk of around 1934 used it and some lessons were learned by Mitchell which fed into the spitfire design. Evaporative cooling seems to have been something that excited designers but was in itself a dead end in a warplane.
I will bet they never lost one of these due to wing Icing.
lol
3:30 "Before we turn our attention to the actual plane design.... let me introduce our new sponsor, Raid: Shadow legends." :D
Maybe an idea for a future video can be the advantages and disadvantages of radial engines and inline engines? I feel like a lot of people would appreciate some clarification in that area.
Also that radiator idea is absolutely genius even if it isn't practical. Classic German engineering! :)
Yes, it is planned :)
GrimFaceHunter mm
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Mustang. That's actually the real reason it was so fast. In a sense, I suppose the spirit of the He-100 lived on
@Brian Foote To vulnerable, many more parts and higher maintenance.
Evaporative cooling for inline engines had been tried many times during the 20th century, usually in aircraft produced as record breakers, possibly most notably the Schneider Trophy racers of the late '20s and early '30s, eg. Supermarine S6, or Macchi MC 72. These systems did reduce drag, and did work in the very limited environment for which they were designed ie. short operating time, not subject to attack by enemy aircraft, etc. They would have been totally unsuited to combat conditions, and a maintenance nightmare.
Finally, an explanation of the German evaporative cooling system that I can understand!
"Come, Heinkel, show us the meaning of haste"
by your brief description, the cooling system of the he-100 seems much like the cooling system of a refrigerator.
Thats needed cause you cannot pump steam!
@@cyphi474 Other than boiling point it is exactly the same as a refrigerator.
Power stations do not turn water into steam over an orifice - it is released at the liquid surface of the steam generator by venting bubbles. Anything else produces pressure drops and pressure drops are lost energy. You want all the pressure to be dropped over the turbine.
@@karlhubben8009 tell that to a steam engine
Ask yourself : Why do you need a cooling tower in a steamturbine driven powerplant? It would be much better to take the depressurised steam directly back to the kettle to overheat it again, so you could save a lot of energy .... or not? It's the same circular process named Clausius Rankine process in both, the steam engine and the steam turbine! Check it and find the answer how to move steam.....
this is an amazing video, thx for the clear explanation!
Thank you and you're welcome :)
Bismarck I had expected a three-language response from our mighty Hydra overlord! I'm disappointed Bismarck, back in the stable again with you! XD
The He-100 with surface evaporation cooling system was an amazingly fast aircraft, but not suited for a fighter aircraft because of its extreme vulnerability to any kind of battle damage.
However, that version of the He-100 would have made an excellent high speed photo reconnaissance aircraft, like the British PR Spitfires. In that role, its job would be to avoid combat, especially since it would be completely unarmed, carrying extra fuel in the wings instead of guns and ammunition.
The Luftwaffe really needed a high speed photo reconnaissance aircraft during the Battle of Britain, for low level work especially. The old photo recon Dornier Do 17’s were just too slow and vulnerable. And the ultra high altitude Junkers Ju 86R was very difficult to intercept, but the extreme altitude (36,000+ feet) made for low detail photos, even with huge cameras - you could tell the difference between a single engined and a twin engined aircraft from that altitude, but you couldn’t tell the difference between a Hawker Hurricane fighter and a Fairey Battle target tug. Often the Luftwaffe ended up bombing British airfields that didn’t have fighter aircraft!
This was very well done, I learned a lot about an obscure aircraft. This also help give insight into not just the research and development of a single aircraft, but advancement in aviation of an nation as a whole. I really hope you make other videos about obscure aircraft of all nations that give the same insight like this one has.
He 100 was and still is one of my favourite German Aircraft I have in War Thunder
The he 100 is probably one of my favorite low tier planes in war thunder
For you Bis, your own Medal - The Order of Leni- umm I mean Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords... yes definitely NOT the Order of Lenin
:) Danke ju hairy musch
According to Nowarra the reason for the He 100's cancellation was quite simple: Having a prototype fighter be the fastest in the world stole the 109's spotlight, which cast a bad light on Udet's Luftwaffe. That's also why Heinkel's team wasn't allowed any other record flights after the 209 (which was called 109R to make it look like it was a deviation of the serial production 109).
It should also be said that Udet presented the craft to the French as "the newest German fighter" and then asked Heinkel "How are you doing with the serial production?" This annoyed Heinkel greatly as no order had been given to get the factories up and running, and there never would be one, of course. Additionally, the surface cooling was more resistant to damage than the normal cooling cycle since a hole wouldn't leak as much water as one in a standard water-cooled powerplant.
NEvertheless, an amazing video.
I own one of Nawarres description of the He100 and can't remember seeing it written that Heinkel was annoyed by that question. Surprised perhaps. Part of surface cooling was pressurised, a single hole in the right area (which was larger than in a standard inline cooling) and the amount of coolant lost in a single instant would be a catastrophy. The part where the coolant was no longer under pressure was also a prominant feature (aka a wing) and larger and thus could be more often hit than the traditional coolers.
Whether or not the Germans knew at the time, but the French economy and lack of sufficient production capabilities, and even the structure of the government itself, would have prevented them from producing the plane at all, even if Heinkel had handed them the complete set of blueprints ... at least until their average design-to-production time of 5-6 years, or at least until 1943 - make that May of 1940 when that particular France essentially ceased to exist.
@@MilitaryAviationHistory That is true for the D-0-Series, but why do you ignore the D1-Series, slower but with a conventional cooling system. Still lightyears ahead of any other fighter plane of that time... in range, safety landings, sights, speed, climbing,. with competitive armament... the much greater range make the Bf110 useless... so you could build 1000 He100D1 for 500 Bf110... even better, its easy handling mean the germans do maybe loose only 10-15% of its new pilots to accidents instead of 30-35%... 20% more fighterpilots in much better planes gaining experience is a very bad news for the allies. Very bad...So no overloading of the training system - at last for another year or two... oops... that alone mean 10.000 more killed allied planes in the west... such things add on... it is no weapon that win the war (gladly), but it cost the allies a lot more in anything... more bombers get killed by "save"bomber killers, because the escorts get killed by the He100s, early on more industrial areas of UK get destroyed (less fighters, bombers, guns, tanks, ammo, everything), maybe more ships got sunk in the ports, slower unloading rates, etc), more british pilots are needed earlier (untrained) and got killed - basically a switch of the german problem from 43 on...
the cooling system would be problematic in a dogfight or sustained steep climb since that would mean high engine throttle and low airflow. the plane would burn up.
wasn't this added in the new war thunder patch?
yes it was the He 100 D-1 unfortunately i dont think the weapon preset is accurate
in war thunder it has 3 7.92 MGs
in wikipedia i read it had 1 20mm mgff/m or mg151's and 2 mgs
Sanger Zonnvolt kind of a shame because if Im not wrong it would be one of the fastest planes in its tier
i would prefer if she had some 20s that way it would be higher tier and did not club at 1.7 i mean c'mon
spit mk 1
p40 e1
f4f3
f2a3
laggs no match
And then you toss in this experimental beauty into the mix and wonder what would happen if it saw further development and even production. And of course you start wanting it into WT: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Rush4in its ugly AF but still a pretty good read
can you imagine how hard that cooling system would have been to maintain in Russia?
Isn't Russia itself a cooling system? :P
Duct tape!
Quinn C. funny because Germany sold some of the pre-production machines to the Soviet Union and Japan
bigger problem would have been in North Africa where the hot air and sun would make it ineffective, forcing the aircraft to fly at lower engine power, thus lower speed and with smaller payloads.
I think in Russia they wouldn't even be able to take off during the winter... seems like water would freeze solid and burst the pipes. Maybe the water is kept out of the pipes on the ground, but even then the cold water traveling back from the wings would freeze up, that would be bad!
thanks again for these interesting documentaries-I believe RJ Mitchell; designer of the Spitfire, used the wing/floatplane structure of the Schneider Trophy S5/S6 aircraft for heat sink/heat dissipating of engine coolant thus removing the high drag associated with external radiators.
I am sure the practical aspects of such systems in the field plus combat vulnerability would rule this approach out.
Hey Bis, you missed something in your overview... the final model of the He 100, the D-1, abandoned the evaporative surface cooling system and instead used a larger version of the retractable underbelly radiator. It was inserted in a "plug" below the cockpit, leading to a wing with slightly more span. It wasn't as retardedly fast as the original of course, but still capable of around 644 kph in level flight... a number only approached, but not reached, by the Bf 109 with the F version in 1941!
It also had a third more range than the Bf 109, which would have made it much better suited for escorting bombers during the Battle of Britain. This could have offset the need for the Bf 110 as an escort fighter, which also used the DB 601... and thus, the problem of engine supply for the He 100 basicly solves itself... especially considering that the Bf 110 needed 2 of the engines. Speakling strictly about engine supply, for each Bf 110 C built, 2 He 100 D-1s could have been built!
The D-1 is also the version that is now implemented in War Thunder... at least it is named a D-1... but its actually a D-0, still using the fragile evaporative surface cooling system and with the engine MG FF replaced by a third machinegun. Want to guess the battle rating?
It's 1.7. Yes. You read that right. A plane that can keep up with the ingame Griffon Spitfire XIVe at 5-6km altitude is fighting pre- and early war monoplanes and biplanes... The He 100 is now officially the most criminally undertiered plane in War Thunder.
One last thing about the cooling system... it turned out that the cooling capacity wasn't sufficient for more powerfull engines like the later DB 605, and there was no way to increase the performance of the coolant system at all... it was recognised as an evolutionary dead end. The Bf 109 is already labeled as a fighter that didn't have as much development potential than the Spitfire or later fighters, with this cooling system the He 100 would have had basicly NO development potential at all! Which is, IMHO, one of the main reasons for why it was abandoned on the final D-1 variant.
Whenever Ernst Udet is mentioned, I can't help but get angry about him... what an arrogant, ignorant and spineless bonehead! He might have been a good fighter and stunt pilot, but he totally failed in any other capacity, be it as test pilot, as the man responsible for the excessive dive bomber focus of the Luftwaffe which lead to such grand things as the He 177 requirement for dive bombing capability, and lastly... at life itselt, by becoming an alcohol, tobacco and methamphetamine(Pervitin tablets in germany at the time) addict and finally comitting suicide after the failure of the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain.
Maybe I am a bit harsh on him, he didn't choose the responsibility of becoming Generalluftzeugmeister, it was forced on him, and the fat bastard Göring also shifted the blame on him... but he didn't have the courage to stand up to anyone, either! And instead of confronting the people responsible with the fact that he just wasn't fit for this job or that the failure in the Battle of Britain wasn't his fault, or at least not his alone, he just consumed increasingly excessive amounts of alcohol and meth, which made him even more easily manipulated by Göring, and spent his time privately drawing reaaaally toxic caricatures of his superiors. He was a child in a mans body.
Robert Willis Mhm, I am confused. Are you saying that I am a bit too hard on Udet, because by fucking up he basicly helped preventing Nazi Germany winning WW2/even more death?
Or are you just saying that I am too hard on Udet, irrespective of any influence he had on the war?
If Nr1.) That is beside the point. I was judging the man and his actions, not the Nazi regime and his influence on it or his influence on WW2.
If Nr.2) I already stated myself that I may be a bit too harsh on him, in the last paragraph I wrote. He was just human, and circumstances conspired to put him in a really bad situation. Still... the way he dealt with it was, in my eyes, like a manchild.
There are also other things, like him test flying the He 118 prototype(contestant in the Luftwaffe divebomber requirement, which the Ju 87 won)... Ernst Heinkel wrote in his biography that Udet ignored instructions and flew the aircraft outside of its limits, in the end dooming the project. In the end, the Heinkel 118, despite not being able to dive vertically like the Stuka, was (IMHO) a design with much more potential.
The japanese produced the D4Y divebomber, which was at least partially influenced by 2 He 118 that were built and exported to them, and that plane was a lot faster and more agile than any Stuka could ever hope to be, and still was a very capable divebomber... it even used a license built copy of the german DB 601 engine(the japanese could never get their copies to really work reliablywhich is why it was replaced with a radial later)! This shows how Udet basicly doomed a very promising design, by being too self-absorbed or ignorant to follow basic instructions...
Nope. He-118 was definitely a superior design. They don't call it the "doomed dive bomber fly-off" for nothing. The RLM wrote the specs for the competition directly from the performance perimeters of the JU-87 and had decided beforehand that the JU-87 would win. The He-118 only existed as a raw prototype, and had it been given some development, it would have been an outstanding ground attack plane with fighter-like performance. It only needed structural strengthening and removal of the rear gunner. Also, the RLM originally had a specification for two different roles in the mid-19030s - one for a dive-bomber and one for the ground attack role. He-118 and another missed opportunity like the Ha-137 were designed for this second role. And guess who was instrumental in abandoning the ground attack role in favor of dive-bombers only? If you said Ernest Udet, well, you get the Ritterkreuz.
All I have to say to how this continued on the 25th and 26th of December is:
*SIGH*
I think I have encountered a classic Denning-Kruger reaction. I could answer you on all of your points, but it would be a wasted exercise. I meant to have a spirited debate, not a hateful pissing contest and you're welcome to believe you're better informed and smarter than me. My feelings are not hurt. I wish you all the best in the new year and much happiness.
Yep, I agree. For me, the issue with it is that you can't afford to take any damage at all because the entire airframe is the cooling system. Any hits to the wings will cause a coolant leak, any hit to the engine will cause both a coolant and oil leak, and any hit to the rear fuselage will cause an oil leak. The reason a hit behind the cockpit causes an oil leak, is that the oil cooler for the DB-601 engine was also a surface evaporator using an alcohol heat exchanger with the oil and the area used for evaporating the heat was behind the cockpit.
I've had many a battle where I was forced to RTB to avoid losing the engine after taking minor damage, but all of which caused coolant/oil leaks. Actually lost a plane due to the engine turning black after a LaGG-3 put a 20mm cannon shell into the rear fuselage which caused the oil to overheat very quickly. I would say that even low-BR Japanese planes are less prone to fatal damage from rifle-calibre machineguns than the He-100. I can't image this thing surviving at higher BRs where cannon and large-calibre MGs would destroy the cooling system with the first hit.
That cooling system in the he100 would be far to big for war. 1 hit to the wingtips could have taken out the plane.
Its funny to hear you talk about some of the reasons the He-100 was likely not adopted by the Germans. Especially the coolant being so spread out. When I viewed the X-ray view in War Thunder I was like "Shit.... one shot by an enemy plane or stray bullet from even rifle caliber ground AA guns and I'll have to RTB immediately!" Great innovation to give maximum performance but a huge Achille's Heel. Ty for video. Well edited and put together.
Thank you, it did take time to make so glad to hear people are enjoying it
Built a semi-scale rc model of this aircraft...flew like a dream. Just saying!
You've taken a very rational look at what was once, to my eight year old eyes back in 1979, a very clear case of "injustice against Heinkel". Perhaps it was, and perhaps Willi Messerschmitt really did have the inside track, but you've given some very good technical reasons why the decision NOT to put the He-100 into mass production and combat service turned out to be for the best.
Have you also covered, or would you consider also covering, the He280 in this regard?
That cooling seems like heat pipes of some sort.
The visuals are a bit suspect, but the commentary is top notch and informative. Thanks!
Great video Bismarck, you now have your latest subscriber. One thing i'd like to point out is that the Supermarine S6B had the same type of cooling system as the He-100. Mitchel designed the S6B as the fastest racing aeroplane of it's day with liquid cooling within the skin of the airframe for the ultimate in streamlining... However when he designed a fighter aeroplane, in the form of the Spitfire, he deliberately chose to use a coolant radiator with the 'Meredith Effect' instead! That may well have been for practicality and also serviceability, at the small cost of just a few knots. The Spitfire was designed with a radiator and not such a cooling system for a reason, and not because the manufacturer did't think of it or couldn't produce it. So the He-100 as fantastic as it most certainly was, perhaps wasn't robust enough for service life along with diplomatic and other technical issues.
I misread the title. I read wanderwaffle. My appetite clicked before I could.
it still cooks everywhere if u care ;)