@@numbaonestunna4806It's adoration that spawns into hate i.e. when obsessed fans kill celebrities they're a fan of. Read 'from Babylon to Timbuktu'. Dark(est) skinned people civilized Europe twice!...
This is the best comment I’ve seen on any form of social media. Most people don’t have their own opinions on things, they all just congregate in the comment section so thank you for pointing this out ❗️🙏🏾
Most times when I hear a success story from black men who aren’t rappers, it always has involved parents who nurtured their child’s talents and dreams.
Why didn't he do that slaves being hung and whipped piece on denim tears? And why didn't he flip it to slave masters being hung and whipped or the pieces of what happened when the slave revolts killed the slave masters in Haiti, Jamaica, America, Dominican Republic, Hawaii, Etc.
"slave masters being hung & whipped by slaves..." 🛑 giving away your ideas PLEASE! Perhaps you could collaborate with Denim Tears if that interests you.
@@JamesSmith-rq7mv shit IDC if it's giving away ideas I won't be here forever and also I can't take none of that money when I die so it's whatever but I know for a fact people who feel like they are stealing ideas or biting know they ideas is bland so that's enough for me. And I know some ideas I've shot to people but they don't execute it like I would have it always be not as good as I invision if they try to cut me out the loop but knowing they using my idea
I left and started my own business years ago but I started the brand with Teddy and did everything from marketing to strategy to lookbooks, etc.@@Champ1120
He seems to be just like Ye👈🏾 everything that was going on, you turn a blind eye too until it’s something that really affects him, now you wantto voice your displeasure .🤷🏿♂️
First before you write your opinion watch the interview till the end. This is just a case of “right intention wrong brand”. And yes I understand tremaines frustration, any creative at any level will be if your ideas were rejected especially if they had a track record of doing it previously. Our issue as black creatives is we want to use other people’s platform to change the narrative. The same passion he had for the project why didn’t he do it denim tears? Also his communication always comes of as “complaining” watch his other interviews. If you look at his circle Virgil, Sam Ross, Heron etc…they just do it and keep it moving. Maybe Jerry was slightly like this, but through growth he took control of his own narrative. You can’t get complacent when you are already a minority in a white dominated space but also doing well in your project. Lastly there is nothing like “techpackers”. They are designers who trend forecast > comp shop > design collections > build size specs > create original graphics > create colour stories > etc….
I get his point about exposing the work of artists such as Jafa because not many kids from where he's from go to Barbara Gladstone Gallery. But they do go to Supreme boutiques. The brand could let its stores semi-function as a gallery to expose these images while still keeping the conversation elevated. Once a brand like Supreme or Uniqlo starts putting black artworks on t-shirts in order to play the games of purchased cultural relevance and bottom-line padding, the weight of the art is diminished. A more impactful/responsible approach might have been a collaboration with Jafa and Gladstone to convert the Supreme flagship into a Jafa-directed scenography based on the themes of the selected images and perhaps including a little pamplet on the history of lynching with each purchase.
the typical supreme consumer is not going to wear anything that shows any lynching of black people part of a creative director is you have to appeal to the general consumer. We get that tremaine was trying to bring awareness but jesus man not a lot of people let alone 15-20 year olds wearing a shirt with a black man having whips on his back. you have your own brand for a reason spread that message through it but also seems like tremaine is even scared to do that on his own because guess what you're profiting on black trama too. Seems like it was a petty thing to do knowing supreme and white brand owner was going to get all the hate if they released that collab. The biggest issue for sure is the lack the diversity in the company but don't go around spinning it into something else smh.
Damn I didn’t know that part lol and haven’t watched it yet but yea sometimes your life experience can make you a CRUSADER to your own detriment but I FULLY understand the mindset after some life live
@@KaTheMagician he has good points in the interview but at the same time supreme is a billion dollar company the last thing the investors need is an uproar. i for sure could have seen this be in mainstream media but also some people just want to wear cool clothes. his points on diversity in the work space are valid but also again shows the hypocrisy in his own circle like virgil having mainly white people in his team at off white. he just said kanye hired majority of white women so why don't you call out your peers as well.
I wanted to go to fashion school and my guidance counselor told me Black girls don’t get accepted to fashion school. I’m getting back into it. Umpteen years later❣️
Much of what he said about Supreme and solely Supreme makes sense. He isn't the first to speak on it. I remember Angelo Baque, ASAP Rocky and ASAP Nast speaking on similar issues with Supreme.
but white men majority of white men are profiting off the black trauma. sort of like cannabis. multi billion dollar industry for the white collar white man. but god knows how many black men got caught up with some weed. and arrested like they murdered someone. over a plant that alters your state of mind.
@@DJTHANKYOU comment of the year. I just had this conversation with a group of homies. this is why i'm TOTALLY against anyone especially from the black community running they ass up in a dispensary to cop some bud. Just because the man has figured out a way to profit from it. Everyone within the community knows someone a cousin, homeboy, brother that sells bud to get buy. Go and cop from them. Here in Ohio they just made it legal and I be damn if i go up in there and the prices are high asf. Hey if one chooses to I get it but not me.
@@DJTHANKYOUwe cannot keep blaming “white men” for our own choices. Everyone who took weed made a choice. Taking accountability is the first step to getting out of the situation.
Damn, this dude frfr is confused. had to edit as I watched. Man this dude does not know history. Sad, I thought DT had maybe something going for it. It too will die out soon, makes sense seeing how the creative director is sadly. Wow he is super privileged. It's hilarious to hear how he speaks on these subjects on his high chair. Gonna stick to Abloh's archive and avoid Emory. GL to DT and God bless.
In my opinion fashion nowadays is influenced by our African American culture. I’m not surprised he experienced racism at supreme. Glad he created denim tears. Definitely a game changer in fashion.
technical design is design - tech packs are the blue print and the building blocks used to start the sampling process. This includes Bill of Materials, Specs, Pantone colors, Trims, Fabric Content etc. Please learn the terminology and proper language so when interviewed you're not degrading an entire role that is necessary in not only sourcing, manufacturing but the most of all design. Which you so claim to be such a large part of.
Idgaf but we all get places bc of our parents n who they know n who u know.. I’ve gotten mad love everywhere bc of my parents name.. n I’m just a kid from the hood but what I mean is, a rep can take u further than anything!
It’s not because his parents name it’s because of their work ethic and teachings to him I wish I had both parents But I know I’m going to do the most I can and prepare my kids well And plus New York is one of the most popular places for fashion and being raised in it will help
the only thing that makes me sad is the fact that white people get to have conversations that aren’t about race but about stuff that can advance the world in areas like Tech,Science, Math, Art, etc and all we seem to spend so much energy on is instead is conversations about Racism and how badly we’re treated. 😢
Great insights in this. I can see what happened. Supreme can no longer afford the unsafe controversies, they are on the hook for annual sales goals. They have to stick with the whiteboy-edge they are used to. There's a finesse and way to do everything, though. Not sure why Tremaine didn't think this through or consider that in his strategy. I guess they sold him a dream?
He's a good dude. I respect him and supreme. Both trailblazers in their own right. Regarding the racism thing, as far as things go I found it bizarre that when he dropped the bstroy collab they took Vivienne Westwoods old seditionaries with a pink swastika and switched it up with BSTROY instead of DESTROY. I know he's fully against systemic racism, and Vivienne is not a racist. I just find it shocking how he's dragging preme so heavy but still can pull hardcore shock symbols and make his own.
When you have ownership, you call the shots. When you build a team, you’re mainly going to hire people like yourself who are also skilled. Until we accept this, there’s no point in arguing back and forth about how things should be especially when it comes to representation. Why don’t we talk about the representation of ownership as much as we talk about the representation of employment? I just don’t think it’s that deep. Inequality is very real. We can’t just expect them to hand it over to us…we gotta take the steps for ourselves. Now, to not be hired solely bc of your ethnicity or background is entirely wrong. However, that’s clearly not the case at supreme as they hired tremaine. The real issue came when he found out he was just the creative and not the owner. And no owner is giving over the final decision when it’s not in alignment. That’s just the truth. And it’s never changing
It unfortunately starts with employment brother. BAME groups in G7 countries have been left behind since school days and that makes it extremely hard to have ownership without being an employee first. Yes, there are other significant factors but the lack of experience is attached to it greatly. We need those internships, we need those executive jobs, and we need those companies to start being more conscious about representation. We do not speak much about the representation of ownership because sadly it is not where we are at the moment. We are still trying to gather experience, and then we can talk about ownership.
I respect that- I think we agree on that point but I might have delivered wrong. I know employment is where it starts and representation is where we get in the door. That’s the external conversation. The internal conversation within our community should shift into converting employment into some form of ownership. I understand that we’re not 100 percent at the point of execution of that but I think we’re well into the stage of spreading that intention amongst our community as more of us are acquiring these types of positions- but quite frankly our priorities can be in the wrong places. The point that you bring up about experience is super valid. To that I say, tremaine got hired at supreme while he has ownership of denim tears . He doesn’t agree with supreme’s representation and cultural bias and he does a comparison between denim tear’s diversity and supremes diversity. My question is why would he be surprised? I’m sure most of us can assume supreme isn’t owned or representing for black ppl, they’re profiting off of us. If you take that position, you’re working change from behind enemy lines and you’re on a covert mission to convert the mind of supremes consumers. That’s the approach. I just think for this to all end in “supreme doesn’t and won’t hire more black ppl+minorities and they won’t let me create freely” is hardly insightful. We all knew this. And then for him to try to market our plight to their demographic was also confusing to me. I can’t imagine seeing a white 15 year old with a slave supreme shirt or skateboard.. I would feel the opposite of empowered. It would be in terrible taste. But that’s another convo. Either way, Would love your response on this , to gauge if I’m looking at this the right way
They want to use his talent with there guide lines .. so he can’t do what he does freely and it will never be from behind enemy lines because he doesn’t get to create freely. He is there so they can study and steal his intellectual property
He view on no original idea is the truth, its honest. Everything is an evolution, "no idea is original, there is nothing new under the sun, it's never what you do but how it's done - Nas"
Touré is loving this interview. Tremaine is doing the work that Touré would usually have to do. Without being asked, Tremaine mostly on his own is giving cultural context AS he tells his story. He paints a picture; speaks about what’s happening in the neighborhood; in hip hop; in the politics impacting his family; using cultural references to paint the picture (Kid n Play, G Rap, The Sandlot, Boyz n the Hood, etc). Never met Touré (though I’m pretty sure we have a few friends in common). I know he loved this conversation. This was dope!!!
It’s EXTREMELY 🧢 that there were hardly black people around working on YEEZY, he must have meant Virgil bc in the OFF-WHITE Documentaries there were mainly White women working with him. Plus Ye hired MOWALA (an African Black Woman) as one of the created directors at YEEZY and his Creative Director for all of YEEZY GAP. This dude just doesn’t like Ye anymore bc he fired him
This needs a level of cleverness and irony for it to matter. The key should be to put those who don’t relate, in the shoes and the subject to get them to see themselves as a human they may never be.
This was so perfect. I love Tremaine's details talking about Art and what it means, and collage, and sampling and music. Thank you for this adventure 🌟
@@JayyyyyyyyyyyyB lmaoooo don’t you even dare to say the influence and hype is alive more in denim tears you clown. Denim tears is fire but the power of Kanye is 100000 times more present than Tremaine and 2022 is a clear example of
I just sold 2 box logo hoodies I’ve been sitting on for 2 years for the most profit I’ve made off any supreme gear. You should probably tell them it’s dead…
buddy his message is the organization not his designs. You might not like it but some other people do but that’s not the point. White privileging and systemic racism is what they are talking about.
Supreme is a fucking skateboard company, not a black artist agency. Tremaine knew what he was signing up for, they’ve been around since ‘95. Sounds like he took the gig with a pre conceived idea that he wanted to rock the boat and they told him to reign it in 💁🏻♂️
Yeah but supreme didn’t get hot until they put Julez and Jim jones dip set on their t shirts FACTS so they been out since 95, and we ain’t know nothing about them to 05,06, so skateboarding wasn’t doing anything for them
It depends on the taste. You know where I don’t believe in racism I don’t believe in lynching but if I wear a shirt he could’ve potentially put out semonstrating this. It’ll set discomfort in narratives but also shed light on the lack of consciousness to the racism and or systemic induced racism that is still going on today. To each is own.
@@miatomi @nimanixo Right but, what did Yeezy do this year? Aside from selling back stock produced last year when Adidas dropped him. He made a white t-shirt and a bikini made out of black duct tape because he no longer has the support of the Adidas team, or Tremaine, or Salehe Bembury etc. etc. Indeed ye contributed to the culture but all his bridges are burned. I think it's pretty easy to say that he's under Tremaine today, who knows if his future collections will be a strong as they used to, without support of a real team.
He quit while in a position where he could actually make changes. Changes which could've opened up opportunity throughout the streetwear fashion world into the wider industry for more people of colour.
If you listen to the interview, he was basically a proxy creative director with James Jebbia still running it from behind. I doubt he could make changes in staffing just as the creative director.
Come on bro - These images of the enslaved in history books is one thing, yt kids skateboarding with "Whipped Peter" on their shirt and wearing a durag is sooooo grossssssssss. What the hell are you not thinking? Is he Native Black or foreign? Yeezy being designed and ran by yt women - who's surprised? Lmbo.
You can tell dude was the problem. He can't really pinpoint an issue and since he came in sales dropped. Supreme was sold for a couple billion and the company that bought them needed his direction to sustain sale growth, which they were unable to do so with him at the helm. He spent his first year literally in a hospital and they rode by him. He came back and accused them of racism like a lame ahh. 🤡
Glad we got to see Tremaine make a fool of himself and prove everyone right. This man is full of ego, he needs to swallow his pride and take the L. He isn't wrong for wanting to represent african american culture, that's great. But he tried representing it in the worst light possible. All his motives are questioned once he pulls through on these weird collabs.
The problem is most people from what i see will just see it as entertainment like boondocks. People see past the message and just enjoy what your entertaining them with.
8:00 What is dude talking about? Had he not heard of Karl Kani, Marc Buchannon, Marc Ecko, Daymond John, Byron Lars, Jeffrey Banks, Willi Smith, Kimora Lee Simmons, Russell SImmons...I could go on but Im sure you get the point. SMH
Marc Ecko and Marc Buchanan are not black. Lol and he said when he was in his formative teenage years. This man is in his 50s and most of the other brands from the creators you mentioned were not around or just started, extremely uncommon which is his point. He’s not from the age of the internet, so it’s very possibly the few that were around he had no idea existed.
Yes they are latinos from cuba puerto rico and dominican republic are of african decent where do you think they dropped off the slaves boats goober learn your history ( alos he jus tmeant brown people that arent white goofus) ..And Im 50 and grew up in a small 50k population town in new mexico and knew of those designers in middleschool @@sole_less So again what the f is he talking about.
@@jimparks5478 lmao nice try. Marc Ecko is not Latino. He is Jewish. Buchanan is a white man from Detroit with Italian heritage, hence the name Pelle Pelle. You are loud and wrong
@@jimparks5478 to add you mentioned Kani which was founded in 89, Daymond’s Fubu wasn’t a thing until the 90s, Lars was also the 90s, Jefferey Banks made suits… we’re talking about street wear designers. Willi Smith was a pioneer and was still not that widely known at the time. Russ made his first brand in the 90s and Kimora’s wasn’t finalized until late 99. You have no point here.
Like bw showed him love. Like bw respect bm without us arguing the exception. Pro black isn't anti white or he'd be a racist. I get it though only 1 in 4 of y'all marry. Since y'all won't be accountable gotta keep blaming BM. What are the chances you're an overweight & aggressive boss chick w a child out of wedlock or have made a trip or 2 to Planned Parenthood?...
Gtfo here with that. You know damn well BW wouldn't give this nerdy BM the time of day but then complain once he finds someone else who loves him for him. It's 2023 sh*bird. Go holla at pookie for us.
Kudos to your family for supporting your gift. Mom was trying to make sure you have a backup plan. Realizing your and cultivating your gift is your back up plan. ❤Mom
I found this to be very interesting. Not sure how to say this but there is something to think about. It, Supreme, is a successful brand, for 30 years or so...maybe they know what they're doing when it comes to their brand, and its that simple. With their success, if I was in the C suite, I'd be asking "how do we not break what isn't broken?" As Tremaine said, "we're not saving lives".
I wish i could help with designs but idk people in that industry and dont have the funds to start up but one day its gone come and we gone trail blaze this game
Stop looking in the comments for an opinion, THINK
Everyone loves to put down dark skin people so weird
@@numbaonestunna4806It's adoration that spawns into hate i.e. when obsessed fans kill celebrities they're a fan of. Read 'from Babylon to Timbuktu'. Dark(est) skinned people civilized Europe twice!...
Stop assuming we are too dumb to think independently
This is the best comment I’ve seen on any form of social media. Most people don’t have their own opinions on things, they all just congregate in the comment section so thank you for pointing this out ❗️🙏🏾
@@took_ya_handlehit dogs will holler. If it don’t apply to you should have bypassed. You’re one of the ppl he’s talking to 🫵🏾😂😂
imma be honest, this nigga trippin
yep you’re right. In fact, a lot of blck people are trippin for centuries because how PRIVILEGE WHITE PEOPLE ARE.
Tremaine looks like Aries Spears playing a homeless character.
lolool
Damn i cant unsee it now lmaoo
Ayooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Most times when I hear a success story from black men who aren’t rappers, it always has involved parents who nurtured their child’s talents and dreams.
Like regular parents do? The hell
@@lasoul680 like good parents. That's not regular parents. Go look up absent parent statistics
I can just hear Ye say “I TOLD YOU TREEEEMAAAINE!!!!!
Why didn't he do that slaves being hung and whipped piece on denim tears? And why didn't he flip it to slave masters being hung and whipped or the pieces of what happened when the slave revolts killed the slave masters in Haiti, Jamaica, America, Dominican Republic, Hawaii, Etc.
That's my question why'd he wanna do it at supreme for?
"slave masters being hung & whipped by slaves..." 🛑 giving away your ideas PLEASE! Perhaps you could collaborate with Denim Tears if that interests you.
@@JamesSmith-rq7mv shit IDC if it's giving away ideas I won't be here forever and also I can't take none of that money when I die so it's whatever but I know for a fact people who feel like they are stealing ideas or biting know they ideas is bland so that's enough for me. And I know some ideas I've shot to people but they don't execute it like I would have it always be not as good as I invision if they try to cut me out the loop but knowing they using my idea
@@burningspliffs right on. No harm intended.
I'm black and the first ever employee at Aime Leon Dore. I can relate to this so heavily.
What do you do there if you don’t mind me asking?
I left and started my own business years ago but I started the brand with Teddy and did everything from marketing to strategy to lookbooks, etc.@@Champ1120
@skippfop how long did it take you to start up.
What brand did you end up creating on your own?
I felt that “aww” in my soul.. My dad never encouraged my art so hearing how his dad pushed him is beautiful.
WHO PAID THE COMMENT SECTION? Y'ALL WILD.
He seems to be just like Ye👈🏾 everything that was going on, you turn a blind eye too until it’s something that really affects him, now you wantto voice your displeasure .🤷🏿♂️
First before you write your opinion watch the interview till the end.
This is just a case of “right intention wrong brand”. And yes I understand tremaines frustration, any creative at any level will be if your ideas were rejected especially if they had a track record of doing it previously.
Our issue as black creatives is we want to use other people’s platform to change the narrative. The same passion he had for the project why didn’t he do it denim tears?
Also his communication always comes of as “complaining” watch his other interviews. If you look at his circle Virgil, Sam Ross, Heron etc…they just do it and keep it moving. Maybe Jerry was slightly like this, but through growth he took control of his own narrative. You can’t get complacent when you are already a minority in a white dominated space but also doing well in your project.
Lastly there is nothing like “techpackers”. They are designers who trend forecast > comp shop > design collections > build size specs > create original graphics > create colour stories > etc….
I get his point about exposing the work of artists such as Jafa because not many kids from where he's from go to Barbara Gladstone Gallery. But they do go to Supreme boutiques. The brand could let its stores semi-function as a gallery to expose these images while still keeping the conversation elevated. Once a brand like Supreme or Uniqlo starts putting black artworks on t-shirts in order to play the games of purchased cultural relevance and bottom-line padding, the weight of the art is diminished. A more impactful/responsible approach might have been a collaboration with Jafa and Gladstone to convert the Supreme flagship into a Jafa-directed scenography based on the themes of the selected images and perhaps including a little pamplet on the history of lynching with each purchase.
I'm sure the artist knows better than you. It's his art that's at risk of becoming worthless.
the typical supreme consumer is not going to wear anything that shows any lynching of black people part of a creative director is you have to appeal to the general consumer. We get that tremaine was trying to bring awareness but jesus man not a lot of people let alone 15-20 year olds wearing a shirt with a black man having whips on his back. you have your own brand for a reason spread that message through it but also seems like tremaine is even scared to do that on his own because guess what you're profiting on black trama too. Seems like it was a petty thing to do knowing supreme and white brand owner was going to get all the hate if they released that collab. The biggest issue for sure is the lack the diversity in the company but don't go around spinning it into something else smh.
Damn I didn’t know that part lol and haven’t watched it yet but yea sometimes your life experience can make you a CRUSADER to your own detriment but I FULLY understand the mindset after some life live
@@KaTheMagician he has good points in the interview but at the same time supreme is a billion dollar company the last thing the investors need is an uproar. i for sure could have seen this be in mainstream media but also some people just want to wear cool clothes. his points on diversity in the work space are valid but also again shows the hypocrisy in his own circle like virgil having mainly white people in his team at off white. he just said kanye hired majority of white women so why don't you call out your peers as well.
Great point. I was wondering why he won't put it out through his brand. Really, what's stopping him?
I wanted to go to fashion school and my guidance counselor told me Black girls don’t get accepted to fashion school. I’m getting back into it. Umpteen years later❣️
Tremaine was just as thoughtless about taking the job as they were in hiring him
lol
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Much of what he said about Supreme and solely Supreme makes sense. He isn't the first to speak on it. I remember Angelo Baque, ASAP Rocky and ASAP Nast speaking on similar issues with Supreme.
his stories sound so cap but maybe bro was just destined for greatness😭
how do they sound cap? im just asking fr
Crazy to hear Tremaine talking about profiting from black trauma when his entire brand is literally that 😂
but white men majority of white men are profiting off the black trauma. sort of like cannabis. multi billion dollar industry for the white collar white man. but god knows how many black men got caught up with some weed. and arrested like they murdered someone. over a plant that alters your state of mind.
@@DJTHANKYOU comment of the year. I just had this conversation with a group of homies. this is why i'm TOTALLY against anyone especially from the black community running they ass up in a dispensary to cop some bud. Just because the man has figured out a way to profit from it. Everyone within the community knows someone a cousin, homeboy, brother that sells bud to get buy. Go and cop from them. Here in Ohio they just made it legal and I be damn if i go up in there and the prices are high asf. Hey if one chooses to I get it but not me.
Are u slow??🤦🏾♂️
@@DJTHANKYOUwe cannot keep blaming “white men” for our own choices. Everyone who took weed made a choice. Taking accountability is the first step to getting out of the situation.
@@Nosensei88 How much of a choice do we have when things have been planned out for us to lose?
Really awesome interview. As a black creator this is so inspiring ❤
The Jay-Z line he was trying to say was “We didn’t invent the wheel but we made the good rich tire”
Damn, this dude frfr is confused.
had to edit as I watched. Man this dude does not know history. Sad, I thought DT had maybe something going for it. It too will die out soon, makes sense seeing how the creative director is sadly.
Wow he is super privileged. It's hilarious to hear how he speaks on these subjects on his high chair. Gonna stick to Abloh's archive and avoid Emory. GL to DT and God bless.
In my opinion fashion nowadays is influenced by our African American culture. I’m not surprised he experienced racism at supreme. Glad he created denim tears. Definitely a game changer in fashion.
technical design is design - tech packs are the blue print and the building blocks used to start the sampling process. This includes Bill of Materials, Specs, Pantone colors, Trims, Fabric Content etc. Please learn the terminology and proper language so when interviewed you're not degrading an entire role that is necessary in not only sourcing, manufacturing but the most of all design. Which you so claim to be such a large part of.
He is a theoretical creative didn’t you know?
Supreme is a downtown NYC skater brand. If brands would stick to their ethos instead of chasing trends, there would be no confusion.
Idgaf but we all get places bc of our parents n who they know n who u know.. I’ve gotten mad love everywhere bc of my parents name.. n I’m just a kid from the hood but what I mean is, a rep can take u further than anything!
It’s not because his parents name it’s because of their work ethic and teachings to him
I wish I had both parents
But I know I’m going to do the most I can and prepare my kids well
And plus New York is one of the most popular places for fashion and being raised in it will help
the only thing that makes me sad is the fact that white people get to have conversations that aren’t about race but about stuff that can advance the world in areas like Tech,Science, Math, Art, etc and all we seem to spend so much energy on is instead is conversations about Racism and how badly we’re treated. 😢
Well said
Many of our people have traumas they need to overcome. That's something I understand , The Most High will heal through prayer and changing of the mind
Ye already warned us lol
Listen to the gems ignore the headlines and actually learn something
Incredible interview and insights
Great insights in this. I can see what happened. Supreme can no longer afford the unsafe controversies, they are on the hook for annual sales goals. They have to stick with the whiteboy-edge they are used to. There's a finesse and way to do everything, though. Not sure why Tremaine didn't think this through or consider that in his strategy. I guess they sold him a dream?
Trueeeee
insightful. Thanks for this.
Love this guy..: Thr best perspective in certain circumstances.
He not saying anything outlandish but to even talk like this having a white wife is a tad funny
He's a good dude. I respect him and supreme. Both trailblazers in their own right. Regarding the racism thing, as far as things go I found it bizarre that when he dropped the bstroy collab they took Vivienne Westwoods old seditionaries with a pink swastika and switched it up with BSTROY instead of DESTROY. I know he's fully against systemic racism, and Vivienne is not a racist. I just find it shocking how he's dragging preme so heavy but still can pull hardcore shock symbols and make his own.
Touré sounds like DJ Vlad
When you have ownership, you call the shots. When you build a team, you’re mainly going to hire people like yourself who are also skilled. Until we accept this, there’s no point in arguing back and forth about how things should be especially when it comes to representation. Why don’t we talk about the representation of ownership as much as we talk about the representation of employment? I just don’t think it’s that deep. Inequality is very real. We can’t just expect them to hand it over to us…we gotta take the steps for ourselves. Now, to not be hired solely bc of your ethnicity or background is entirely wrong. However, that’s clearly not the case at supreme as they hired tremaine. The real issue came when he found out he was just the creative and not the owner. And no owner is giving over the final decision when it’s not in alignment. That’s just the truth. And it’s never changing
It unfortunately starts with employment brother. BAME groups in G7 countries have been left behind since school days and that makes it extremely hard to have ownership without being an employee first. Yes, there are other significant factors but the lack of experience is attached to it greatly. We need those internships, we need those executive jobs, and we need those companies to start being more conscious about representation. We do not speak much about the representation of ownership because sadly it is not where we are at the moment. We are still trying to gather experience, and then we can talk about ownership.
I respect that- I think we agree on that point but I might have delivered wrong. I know employment is where it starts and representation is where we get in the door. That’s the external conversation. The internal conversation within our community should shift into converting employment into some form of ownership. I understand that we’re not 100 percent at the point of execution of that but I think we’re well into the stage of spreading that intention amongst our community as more of us are acquiring these types of positions- but quite frankly our priorities can be in the wrong places. The point that you bring up about experience is super valid. To that I say, tremaine got hired at supreme while he has ownership of denim tears . He doesn’t agree with supreme’s representation and cultural bias and he does a comparison between denim tear’s diversity and supremes diversity. My question is why would he be surprised? I’m sure most of us can assume supreme isn’t owned or representing for black ppl, they’re profiting off of us. If you take that position, you’re working change from behind enemy lines and you’re on a covert mission to convert the mind of supremes consumers. That’s the approach. I just think for this to all end in “supreme doesn’t and won’t hire more black ppl+minorities and they won’t let me create freely” is hardly insightful. We all knew this. And then for him to try to market our plight to their demographic was also confusing to me. I can’t imagine seeing a white 15 year old with a slave supreme shirt or skateboard.. I would feel the opposite of empowered. It would be in terrible taste. But that’s another convo. Either way, Would love your response on this , to gauge if I’m looking at this the right way
They want to use his talent with there guide lines .. so he can’t do what he does freely and it will never be from behind enemy lines because he doesn’t get to create freely. He is there so they can study and steal his intellectual property
His "black book" is why they hired him!
love how Tremaine is able to push these conversation through fashion.
This was great. I understand his views even more
He view on no original idea is the truth, its honest. Everything is an evolution, "no idea is original, there is nothing new under the sun, it's never what you do but how it's done - Nas"
Touré is loving this interview. Tremaine is doing the work that Touré would usually have to do. Without being asked, Tremaine mostly on his own is giving cultural context AS he tells his story. He paints a picture; speaks about what’s happening in the neighborhood; in hip hop; in the politics impacting his family; using cultural references to paint the picture (Kid n Play, G Rap, The Sandlot, Boyz n the Hood, etc).
Never met Touré (though I’m pretty sure we have a few friends in common). I know he loved this conversation.
This was dope!!!
the impact of a great father
Supreme is a skate brand, imagine a white person getting hired at Roc-A-Fella Records and saying there's not enough white folk in the office.
Then imagine roc a fella business model being 70% country music
Black kids skate as well 😂
these companies and their yt owners can't seem to think beyond, "Get black people to wear this and make millions."
All of his clothes are UNAFFORDABLE!!!!!!!!!!
its the idea thats valued.
@@belipe_belipe_belipelmao
Lmaooooo retail not so bad it’s the resellers
If ur broke😂
At the end of the day ,it's not your company. Just move on bro
It’s EXTREMELY 🧢 that there were hardly black people around working on YEEZY, he must have meant Virgil bc in the OFF-WHITE Documentaries there were mainly White women working with him. Plus Ye hired MOWALA (an African Black Woman) as one of the created directors at YEEZY and his Creative Director for all of YEEZY GAP. This dude just doesn’t like Ye anymore bc he fired him
I literally came here to say this. People rewrite history when it suits them
what documentaries
@@uhmidkbro. search off-white documentary
@@uhmidkbro. ruclips.net/video/6CQj6b6cOk8/видео.html
This needs a level of cleverness and irony for it to matter. The key should be to put those who don’t relate, in the shoes and the subject to get them to see themselves as a human they may never be.
Well said
HR is part of the company that is not a good place for employees to talk to.
He must take the images and put them on denim tears. Stop all this nonsense Tremaine.
This was so perfect. I love Tremaine's details talking about Art and what it means, and collage, and sampling and music. Thank you for this adventure 🌟
Kanye warned him and he didn't listen. Served him right! BLM officer.
U think Kanye the goat ?
not even a question at this point
@@KCFlightClub10
Denim tears surpasses Yeezy 😅🤡
@@JayyyyyyyyyyyyB lmaoooo don’t you even dare to say the influence and hype is alive more in denim tears you clown. Denim tears is fire but the power of Kanye is 100000 times more present than Tremaine and 2022 is a clear example of
Ok but he was out of work for a year but upset he wasn’t involved hmmmmm.
Make it make sense.
So much missed opportunity here for deeper questions.
this comment section is super toxic ew
Why is hetero, listed when talking about the west. As if hetero isnt the standard literally EVERYWHERE.
Yup supreme is officially dead don’t buy that stuff
I just sold 2 box logo hoodies I’ve been sitting on for 2 years for the most profit I’ve made off any supreme gear. You should probably tell them it’s dead…
@@majikjuggaloI just bought a box logo hoodie 😂 damn, maybe it was from you?! 🤣🤣🤣
toure is terrible interviewer jesus... good thoughtful stuff from Tremaine though.
His designs with supreme wasn’t that good to me .. people was skipping the weeks
buddy his message is the organization not his designs. You might not like it but some other people do but that’s not the point. White privileging and systemic racism is what they are talking about.
These mf angry in the comments 😂😂 respect art 💯
Everyone wants to rep black until it’s time to rep black. Good on at Tremaine for the artistic integrity. We don’t need Supreme.
Ye told em.. lol
Supreme is a fucking skateboard company, not a black artist agency. Tremaine knew what he was signing up for, they’ve been around since ‘95. Sounds like he took the gig with a pre conceived idea that he wanted to rock the boat and they told him to reign it in 💁🏻♂️
And he worked with/alongside Union that James ran in the early 90’s. C’mon 😂
Yeah but supreme didn’t get hot until they put Julez and Jim jones dip set on their t shirts FACTS so they been out since 95, and we ain’t know nothing about them to 05,06, so skateboarding wasn’t doing anything for them
Sound like they sold him a dream about increasing diversity throughout the company
I think he’s just passionate. He has the right idea but it can be conveyed in a better way
It depends on the taste. You know where I don’t believe in racism I don’t believe in lynching but if I wear a shirt he could’ve potentially put out semonstrating this. It’ll set discomfort in narratives but also shed light on the lack of consciousness to the racism and or systemic induced racism that is still going on today. To each is own.
Great conversation a lot of heavy hitters and quotes
“ YOU DONT KNOW WTF YOU DOING TREMENDEZ” i can hear ye now 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ye is the biggest hater in streetwear. That Hitler lover has nothing of value to offer.
@@kickzoever heard of Yeezy
@@kickzo he's definitely a hitler lover. but he's given more to the culture than tremaine by an order of magnitude. it is what it is
@@miatomi @nimanixo Right but, what did Yeezy do this year? Aside from selling back stock produced last year when Adidas dropped him. He made a white t-shirt and a bikini made out of black duct tape because he no longer has the support of the Adidas team, or Tremaine, or Salehe Bembury etc. etc. Indeed ye contributed to the culture but all his bridges are burned. I think it's pretty easy to say that he's under Tremaine today, who knows if his future collections will be a strong as they used to, without support of a real team.
@@kickzo I think it's fair to say that Tremaine could very well eclipse ye given time. We have to see what he does next, I'm excited personally
He quit while in a position where he could actually make changes. Changes which could've opened up opportunity throughout the streetwear fashion world into the wider industry for more people of colour.
he was stussy informant lol. homie went in there to destroy supreme from within. 5head move.
@@allhuman718 Haha!
He did kick out two of the worst Supreme collections in recent times, although it's not all his fault.
If you listen to the interview, he was basically a proxy creative director with James Jebbia still running it from behind. I doubt he could make changes in staffing just as the creative director.
I love this so much he grew up so loved and supported this is an inspiration, I want to be like his parents one day
Come on bro - These images of the enslaved in history books is one thing, yt kids skateboarding with "Whipped Peter" on their shirt and wearing a durag is sooooo grossssssssss. What the hell are you not thinking? Is he Native Black or foreign? Yeezy being designed and ran by yt women - who's surprised? Lmbo.
You can tell dude was the problem. He can't really pinpoint an issue and since he came in sales dropped. Supreme was sold for a couple billion and the company that bought them needed his direction to sustain sale growth, which they were unable to do so with him at the helm. He spent his first year literally in a hospital and they rode by him. He came back and accused them of racism like a lame ahh. 🤡
Right quoting Joseph C who is great but he’s pretending to be so deep & smart
Facts bro man just can't admit his Time was Supreme was their worse in profit shares and he just was not good as his job.
White tears are pathetic
Glad we got to see Tremaine make a fool of himself and prove everyone right. This man is full of ego, he needs to swallow his pride and take the L. He isn't wrong for wanting to represent african american culture, that's great. But he tried representing it in the worst light possible. All his motives are questioned once he pulls through on these weird collabs.
Great interview very impactful
Great interview
The problem is most people from what i see will just see it as entertainment like boondocks. People see past the message and just enjoy what your entertaining them with.
8:00 What is dude talking about? Had he not heard of Karl Kani, Marc Buchannon, Marc Ecko, Daymond John, Byron Lars, Jeffrey Banks, Willi Smith, Kimora Lee Simmons, Russell SImmons...I could go on but Im sure you get the point. SMH
Marc Ecko and Marc Buchanan are not black. Lol and he said when he was in his formative teenage years. This man is in his 50s and most of the other brands from the creators you mentioned were not around or just started, extremely uncommon which is his point. He’s not from the age of the internet, so it’s very possibly the few that were around he had no idea existed.
Yes they are latinos from cuba puerto rico and dominican republic are of african decent where do you think they dropped off the slaves boats goober learn your history ( alos he jus tmeant brown people that arent white goofus) ..And Im 50 and grew up in a small 50k population town in new mexico and knew of those designers in middleschool @@sole_less So again what the f is he talking about.
@@jimparks5478 lmao nice try. Marc Ecko is not Latino. He is Jewish. Buchanan is a white man from Detroit with Italian heritage, hence the name Pelle Pelle. You are loud and wrong
@@jimparks5478 to add you mentioned Kani which was founded in 89, Daymond’s Fubu wasn’t a thing until the 90s, Lars was also the 90s, Jefferey Banks made suits… we’re talking about street wear designers. Willi Smith was a pioneer and was still not that widely known at the time. Russ made his first brand in the 90s and Kimora’s wasn’t finalized until late 99. You have no point here.
That doesnt negate all the other black designers i named lol so whats your point?@@sole_less
a couple of points I disagree with but still a lot of insight was shared as a whole
dope didnt know he was a qnz kid
Smh the disrespect talking about Ye in past tense
lol you caught that too?
pro blk but marry who?
Like bw showed him love. Like bw respect bm without us arguing the exception. Pro black isn't anti white or he'd be a racist. I get it though only 1 in 4 of y'all marry. Since y'all won't be accountable gotta keep blaming BM. What are the chances you're an overweight & aggressive boss chick w a child out of wedlock or have made a trip or 2 to Planned Parenthood?...
🗣🗣🗣🤣 THAT part, like make IT MAKE SENSE 🤷🏾♂️
Gtfo here with that. You know damn well BW wouldn't give this nerdy BM the time of day but then complain once he finds someone else who loves him for him. It's 2023 sh*bird. Go holla at pookie for us.
marry him yourself then
I really got a lot out of this interview
lol tremaine caught da woke shade 😂😂😂😂
Dope conversation
👑 beautiful interview
So refreshing to see a thoughtful show. Toure and I are the same age if I’m not older. He’s always pushed thinking outside the box
Kudos to your family for supporting your gift. Mom was trying to make sure you have a backup plan. Realizing your and cultivating your gift is your back up plan. ❤Mom
I found this to be very interesting. Not sure how to say this but there is something to think about. It, Supreme, is a successful brand, for 30 years or so...maybe they know what they're doing when it comes to their brand, and its that simple. With their success, if I was in the C suite, I'd be asking "how do we not break what isn't broken?" As Tremaine said, "we're not saving lives".
This was so dope
love it
Dope intervier fr fr ...people need to wtch this specially veryone wearing his clothes
pops the real MVP
Very interesting listen 🤔
I wish i could help with designs but idk people in that industry and dont have the funds to start up but one day its gone come and we gone trail blaze this game
lmfao community and blm officer
This cleared u a lot of the controversy and very inspiring to hear he came from the same parts. Thanks for this in-depth interview
The “nick Atkins hiring people that look like him.” Killed me. I bet the whole design crew are mini Nicks in Gucci slippers
very interesting podcast
Very interesting interview.
This the homie YE was talking about.
Ye is just as much a sellout. Nigga hired no Donda's his mom wouldn't be able to get a job.
@catchyovibe you got no fashion taste you just like starting shit
this is a great interview
love Tremaine emory's view on life this is a great interview
How am I only learning about this man now!? Google this mofo! He’s him…for real for real!
Google him some more. He not him