@@RaRa-xv2bu It is abundantly clear that the Koran has been changed and has numerous anomalies. Diacritical marks, for instance, were virtually non-existent in the early manuscripts and were added later. The Koran was standardised in Cairo and re-published in 1924 (standardisation implies differences existed). There are several textual differences today between, for instance, the Hafs and Warsh Korans. See the relevant chapter in Ibn Warraq's book Virgins? What Virgins? in which examples of such differences have been directly scanned from Hafs and Warsh Korans.
@@RaRa-xv2buI'm not familiar with Crona's work, but Spencer's credibility is unaffected. He did not assert that Muhammad never existed. He doesn't dispute that such a prophet was active in seventh century Arabia, but cautions that this is 'by no means the same thing as saying that the prophet as we come to know him in the biographical literature of Islamic tradition is a historical figure' (Spencer, Did Muhammad Exist?, p. 6). The nuance of Spencer's argument seems to have escaped you.
This is an excellent book for the serious scholar, as well as the novice who is simply wanting to read the Quran and gain insights into its meaning, history, and structure. Much of what you want to know is here and provides a springboard for deeper study.
@@alonzoharris9049 all jokes aside man…I know your taught to ‘discredit’ the source without considering it but Muslim or Christian we’re supposed to be seekers of truth…wherever it leads. Your Islamic history if you get out of your echo chambers is a huge gaping hole. Ours is plain to see. Not perfect. Many so called ‘Christians’ have been rank hypocrites and said/done awful things. Also I can’t ‘prove’ Abraham even existed but he lived thousands of years ago. But I can show you tons of New Testament cities, leaders, names, historical figures and many OT stuff as well from NON CHRISTIAN sources! Show me Mecca on a map from the 7th century (from non Muslim/non ‘unbiased’ scholars who aren’t just lying and pretending to ‘not be muslims’), show me ZamZam well proof that it sustained the claims in the Quran in the 7th century or beyond. I can show you tons of our History from 2,000 years ago or more. You can’t produce actual proof of virtually anything from 1,400 years ago? That’s not even to get into fulfilled prophecy…that’s even worse for you! Anyway I am pretty sure you’ll just attack and not give anything I’ve said a second thought but man would I love to be wrong…have a good day/evening nevertheless my friend.
You wait 1200 years for a critical Qur'an and then 2 come along together: Robert Spencer's 'Critical Qur'an' and Usama Dakdok's 'Generous Qur'an'. No doubt they will both be fascinating.
If you like history, I reccommend "Sword & Scimitar" by Raymond Ibrahim, and "In the Shadow of the Sword" by Tom Holland, to tell both about the bloody history of Islam and also how it possibly came into existence, as a mix of various heretical beliefs.
“The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon. “The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner/ Landstreicher translation. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi plus his 3 other bible study books. “No Treason: the Constitution of no Authority, 1,2, and 6”, Lysander Spooner.
I've read all of The Critical Qur'an. It is brilliant! Thank you Robert Spencer. BTW, you have to be careful when you read it because the pages are so thin and fragile and the gold print on the covers and spine wear off easily. On mine only half of the writing is still on it. It is so hard to seperate two pages because they are so thin so I was so careful when reading it. I've also read Did Muhammad Exist and I love it. Those two are in a proud place on my bookshelf. Love your work Robert Spencer.
Jay Smith, THANK YOU for writing the book! Just 1 thing, though, for your next edition: Aside from including on each page chapter-title (ex. "The Light"), please also include the chapter-number (ex. "24").
They are afraid to be transparent with their own text. It should be the opposite. If their words are pure and true then the deeper study of it should be celebrated. As we know, that is not the case with islam. Hiding, deceit and censorship is their way. Pure DARKNESS.
@@khabibtime3689 Not at all. There is not a scholar on the planet that denies that the Bible doesn't make a claim like the quran does, and what is that claim?? the quran claims that it is 100% perfectly preserved, 100% uncorrupted, 100% unchanged, Not a single symbol or character changed. We know that this is FALSE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT YOU DO!! There are over 100 different qurans with 100 different recitations. There are over 90,000 variations, mistakes, edits, additions, ommissions, changes in words, changes in meaning, changes in subject, changes in theological meaning. The quran has been bastardardized to death beyond all recognition. This makes the quran FALSE, allah FALSE, mahamed FALSE. allah also claims scientific miracles such as this : Allah thinks milk is made in a cow's Belly (stomach) Q16:66 - And there is certainly a lesson for you in cattle: We give you to drink of what is in their bellies, from between digested food and blood: pure milk, pleasant to drink. MILK IS 100% NOT MADE IN THE BELLY/STOMACH OF THE COW. allah is FALSE, quran is FALSE, mahamed is FALSE 100% FAKE allah, 100% FALSE quran, 100% FAKE mahamed.
@@khabibtime3689 Have you read Spencer's book? You buy up whatever you're told about Christianity but won't apply the same scrutiny to the Quran. That's telling. You are scared of looking.
I have bought couple of Qurans before but never understood that book. Stories jump’s like a jack rabbit. And one of my Quran my puppy chewed it. I’m not jockeying, it’s true. Than ASA Robert’s Quran came out I was excited to buy and I was hoping that his critical Quran will help me to understand but still couldn’t understand anything. Please don’t get me wrong, it’s not that brother Robert Spencer job, in fact Robert did great job but It’s the basically cripple Quran which no one can understand even quran itself admitted. We really appreciate and admire brother Robert Spencer’s hard work. I am ex Muslim converted Christian from Pakistan. Glory to our savior Jesus Christ ✝️❤️
It is ONLY through criticism, as difficult as it may be to endure, that we clarify our truth. It is the majestic question which unlocks the door to knowledge, wisdom and understanding. If you are deeply rooted in your faith and a mature individual, you can not only handle any criticism or question, you welcome it.
This book along with many others, plus excellent research is giving us accurate information about the origins of Islam. The Muslim response - "Jay Smith believes in 3 Gods." It would be nice if actual Muslim scholars would present information to defend their faith, but alas, that's not going to happen for obvious reasons.
@@irishheritage893 How is that relevant? He claims to have the best critical work of the primary sources.🫠 Are the primary sources in English or in Arabic?🫠
@@irishheritage893 Robert Spencer is a clown. You try to elevate him as an expert in Quranic studies. It’s pathetic. It shows how desperate Christians are to invite an online troll as their expert.
@@irishheritage893 The book is not just out. It was already out last year. You want me demonstrate his errors? You want me to show you how poor this work is? It’s also funny that he only cites translated works of commentaries. It shows that he has no access to more than 90% of Islamic sources. How pathetic.
Very fine addition to my collection. My only critiques are (1) I would've preferred the book to be a cloth hardback rather the slick hardback it is, and/or to have a dust jacket; (2) I wish it had a sewn binding rather than a glued one; and (3) I wish it had the surah numbering in the top corner for easier navigation. Content-wise, though, I'm pleased to have this alongside Gordon Nickel's "Quran with Christian Commentary."
@@wabisabi6248 I haven’t bought it. A friend has his book. He gave it to me after he read it. It’s a very poor book. He only uses commentaries that are translated in English. He even quotes tanwir Al miqbas and claims it’s from Ibn Abbas.🥴🤣 It’s the level of shamoun’s articles. There are no academic principles and standards.
@@timothywilson5809 Jay recently made video how Birmingham Quran has 33 verses. Problem is that that Quran has over 60 verses. It shows Jay is under control of Satan.First of all he cant count (so no wonder he believes in trinity) and second Satan made him say magick number 33.
I bought this book and my only criticism is that it is technically not a quran because it does not have the Arabic canon alongside the translation. He should publish it again but with the Arabic text also. Maybe a second edition with inputs from murad, dr. Jay, thomas alexander, rob Christian, Christian prince and dontconverttoislam might be able to find some other additional quotes or references that will add more value to this valuable reference work
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid no. It is just a literal translation of the quran according to arabic usage without the euphemisms. The quaran apparently has very vulgar language if it was translated without the euphemisms
Jay misunderstands: A critical edition is not "against" anything. It merely provides a scholarly source by comparing variant readings, and the like. We have that for the Hebrew Bible, for the Septuagint Greek Bible, and the New Testament Greek. They are in no way negative. Only in Islam is it regarded as negative.
@@oprophetisfake9482 Jay used the word "against," and I was replying to that. I myself have published critical texts and understand exactly what they are.
@@alonzoharris9049 Jay and Robert discussed that question. Spencer does know Arabic, even if he is not a native speaker. He is called a “Distinguished scholar” by Akbar Ahmed, Ibn-e-Khaldoon, Chair of Islamic Studies, American University, Washington, D.C.
@@BobSmith-lb9nc You should stop with this nonsense. Robert Spencer has no academic or scholarly credentials in this field. He doesn’t even have a PhD in Arabic. How dishonest can you be? He is just a self proclaimed ‘scholar’.
This is certainly superior to just having a hardcopy of one of the English paraphrases (can they really be called translations, they seem to alter so much to hide difficulties ?? ). (Pickthall's Quran is possibly one of the more accurate ones, he was living in a time when if you were well off and had a privileged education, you tended not to care what others might think). Spencer's notes help explain how things are interpreted by muslims, and some problems.
I know you did not seek my opinion... If we acknowledge the presence of two distinct layers of the qur-an (chants) - rasm and diacritic - we need to then take the translations (which were developed through the diacritic layer lens) with a pinch of salt. The diacritics (added under the Abbasid patronage, late 9th century or early 10th century) have introduced many changes, not intended by the rasm layer. A major example: The word of interest is 'kutub' (=books). If an aleph is present after 't', it becomes 'kitab' (single book). The rasm layer has nearly 250 'kutub'. When the diacritic layer was added, a floating 'aleph' was added to over 95% of the instances. So, except in about five cases, the rasm 'books' has been morphed into 'book'. What should have been 'People of the Books' became 'People of the Book', etc.
@@Cheeky_Sheikhy well, you're right.. the muslims are too naive.. coz they worship only One God.. the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.. the christians are clever.. coz they worship 3 Gods + 1 Goddess.. ruclips.net/video/qNMVYfKafbE/видео.html 😜😜😜
I don't think Robert Spencer is the right person to help guide people to Christ. He does a good job in attacking Islam, but little more. Simply to confess our faith, and to share our belief and what led us to belief in Jesus, and to do good, I personally feel is a much better option. (And I have read several of Mr. Spencer's books, but think they are shallow and mainly seem to be meant to provoke, not educate).
@Elvenkind I'm not going to use his book to bring Muslims to Christ. Only the Holy Spirit is able to do that. But if I can use the book to make Muslim question their faith and why they believe in Islam, it is a good tool. They then perhaps ask what Christianity has to offer
@@costa328 Your ''escape'' is to use the ''holy ghost''😅...but it manifest to you as a unholy spirit and you don't even know it😅🤣😂 PROOF ruclips.net/video/wfPbbScovjs/видео.html
I see that Sura 1 v 7 point from Shia website which makes it clear that the mercy is only for believers, "because of their true belief, good actions, and faithful active obedience, deserve this special, exclusive mercy, of which the disbelievers are deprived". It goes on to say that the form of the word is used for finite not unlimited mercy so not ambiguous. Very sad that the first thing in a religions Holy book starts with no mercy for unbelievers and that carries on to the current day guidance on-line. Thanks for pointing it out.
As Thomas corrected you a few months ago Jay .... Lüling did not put Aramaic dots on just put the Arabic dots in different places. Its Luxenberg that went to the Aramaic ... with his 7 step program ...
It’s insane that a religion based off of the critique that Jews and Christians corrupted their books and should be abrogated by the Quran, doesn’t allow any criticism of themselves.
Probably because it all got tied in with imperial politics early-ish. That is, from a historical point of view, looking at Shoemaker's "Creating the Quran", there is fairly reliable evidence that General Hajjaj, a rather coarse-hearted military man, set the key version, that was then used going forwards historically (but with likely other changes). It was part of a project for the supremacy of the new better organized imperium of Abd-El-Malik and successors. The alleged earlier Uthman revision may even have been a fiction as a PR job to present a respectable appearance to Hajjaj's work on previous material (blood-and-iron warlords don't tend to be very much about ideas of love, justice etc), it seems that hadithal idea may have come from one scholar close to the regime.
@@collybever Shoemaker is just making these things up. He has no evidence for his conspiracy theories. He even refutes his own argument by stating the codex Parisino Petropolitanus can predate AbdelMalik. He refuted himself. This guy is a ‘genius’.🤣
@@alonzoharris9049 Do these ‘non Muslim scholars’ know that the Quran was canonised in 1924 because there were so many copies it was impossible to do standardised testing in Islamic Universities?
Jay, thanks again for your efforts and olsp Robert for this book review..I read Luxembergs book and though very interesting it is kinda hard to read, 70% its a linguists book I'd say..god bless
The Quran is correctly and accurately transmitted. That’s why you try to elevate online trolls as scholars. It’s pathetic. It shows how defeated you are.🫠
@@IslamicOrigins EDUCATE YOURSELF The ''difference'' you call VARIANTS were ALSO REVELATION as the Quran was revealed in 7 Ahruf / styles of Recitations ...and those ''variant words'' in SELECTED verses make-up those Styles while the ''Body Copy'' OF THE ENTIRE QURAN REMAINS THE SAME. PROOF The Quran was revealed in 7 uhruf ... hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles. (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819) Volume 3, Book 41, Number 593: Narrated ‘Abdullah (radiallaahu `anhu): I heard a man reciting a verse (of the Holy Qur’an) but I had heard the Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) reciting it differently. So, I caught hold of the man by the hand and took him to Allah’s Apostle (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) who said, “Both of you are right.” Shu’ba, the sub-narrator said, “I think he said to them, “Don’t differ, for the nations before you differed and perished (because of their differences).
If you can´t find it in stores there is always the internet. Learning the truth about islam would do you well before the "Fulani herdsmen" accomplish their jihad. Stay safe, and get out if you at all can.
Jay Smith is an evangelical Christian. They worship Israel. They will never criticise it. They seek validation from the Jews. Even though his biblical Jesus heavily criticised the Pharisees. Evangelical Christians have Israel as their highest doctrine in Christianity.
@mysotiras0187Muslims get the Bakrid festival idea purely from Old Testament where it is saying about Abraham and Issac not of Ismail. Please give references from the Qur'an or Hadiths.
Many of christ believers dont care to know about other religious, specially Islam, who are more on the offenceive, and attack Christian belief, and their belief in Christ as son of God and on of Man. They insult, all those that dont believe in their Allah. Hate and kill non believers.., its not sin or a crime against humanity. Your contribution, a books the subject is the just need of the hour. We appreciate and congratulate bro. Robert, CP for the books. Its great service to believing class. Any way, what is the easiest wauy to get your books in In AP, India.? In these circamstances..your
I studied islam. It is a religion of war, hate, and terrorism. Also islam traditionally was practiced by conquering pagans and enslaving them if they didn't convert. Also islam teaches muslims to lie even to their fellow muslims. islamic sources showed only violence and hate.
The priest Bruno Bonnet-Eymard has found that the A.L.M letters are from jewish אל״ם which stands for אל למושעות, which means The God of Deliverance. Later it became בס״ד , which means in aramaïc with god's help. This suggest that the author used to start those surats with A.L.M , the jewish way.
I know you are busy as a foremost expositor of Islamic problems from a Christian viewpoint. But I have a question. some decade and a half ago, I went to visit a friend and colleague (engineer) who was from Peshawar and had had a stroke. All those at the hospital were his son and wife, coworkers that were from Pakistan and were Muslim and at least one Imam. This was in Fort Worth, but in that waiting room I was the fish out of water. My friend had privately expressed his dismay at the radical nature of the teachings of his mosque and he had stopped going there because of this. I think the appearance of an anglo and presumably a Christian (I am) caused disquiet among the group. The imam who was a physician (also a presumably well educated) stepped up to challenge me, though I had only come to express my desire that Aktar would get well. The point of attack was that Ishmael was the child of promise. I set about to rebut this from scripture. A coworker from the plant stepped in to diffuse the situation and stop the dialogue. Why do you think this was the point of attack? I am curious. This man was probably more bookish than the muslims to which you refer.
Hey. Is there anyone well-versed in either Islam in literature or Islamic history? They would either be willing to take a look at part of a book I’ve worked on, or at least direct me to some resources to be able to help me to evaluate if my portrayal of Muslim slavery, particularly during the ottoman period, is accurate?
From my understanding in this video, two things I have doubt here is Surah 19:33 which in this video mentions that 'Jesus did die' but rather if you lookup english translations of the same verse it says 'the day I die', which clearly doesn't mean the same thing. Secondly you mentioned something about a curse to Christians and Jews in the 7 fatiha verses, which in english translation doesn't clearly mention Jews or Christians in the words, and althoug it mentions something about asking for guidance in the prayer so that one may not go astray or feel the wrath of the almighty isn't clearly equivalent to referring to Jews or Christians, as any one in any religion can ask for the same guidance to not go astray or feel the wrath.
I know you did not seek my opinion... If we acknowledge the presence of two distinct layers of the qur-an (chants) - rasm and diacritic - we need to then take the translations (which were developed through the diacritic layer lens) with a pinch of salt. The diacritics (added under the Abbasid patronage, late 9th century or early 10th century) have introduced many changes, not intended by the rasm layer. A major example: The word of interest is 'kutub' (=books). If an aleph is present after 't', it becomes 'kitab' (single book). The rasm layer has nearly 250 'kutub'. When the diacritic layer was added, a floating 'aleph' was added to over 95% of the instances. So, except in about five cases, the rasm 'books' has been morphed into 'book'. What should have been 'People of the Books' became 'People of the Book', etc.
@@vicmath1005 Do you think that the Arabs in Mohammad (saw) and the Caliphs could not recite the Recitation (Quran) without diacritical markings?😀 WHAT AM I WRITING BELOW? ''THR IS GD''
"curse to Christians and Jews" The two groups are described in the prayer as follows: "not of those who EARNED YOUR ANGER, nor of those WHO WENT ASTRAY" ALL the tafsir scholars are clear that the two groups being denigrated are Christians and Jews. Some quran translators even add the two groups in brackets (e.g. Mohsin Khan translation), while other qurans have a footnote at the bottom of the page, stating that those who 'earned your anger' are the Jews, and those 'who went astray' are the Christians. A couple of tafsir entries: " not the path of those against whom there is wrath namely the Jews and nor of those who are astray namely the Christians" Tafsir al-Jalalayn "not the religion of the Jews who earned Your anger, ...nor the religion of the Christians who erred from Islam." Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs A hadith: They follow the words reported for muhammed, "Narrated Adi bin Hatim: I asked Allah’s Messenger about the Statement of Allah: "Gharil maghdubi ‘alaihim [not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger]," he replied: "They are the Jews". And 2: "Walad dallin (nor of those who went astray)," he replied: "The Christians, and they are the ones who went astray". At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud. All educated cult members know that when they pray this they are denigrating those two groups, but this is only a very mild insult compared to other passages in the quran, and the absolutely disgusting sermons preached by their clerics.
@@greyngreyer5 If no diacritical markings result in a pretty severe change in meaning, and it isn't even "complementary". Do you think that the Arabs in Mohammad (saw) and the Caliphs could not recite the Recitation (Quran) without diacritical markings?😀
If people could just see that the Word is eternal ( John 1.1). Nothing to do with a textbook. And that the scroll (book) is the Word that became flesh and dwelt amongst us, and was unsealed on the cross! Revelation of Christ Jesus! The apocalypse ( the unveiling) of God, Jesus Christ. Redemption by paying the full ransom. Every accountant knows that when writing a debit credit account, you draw a cross with credit on one side and debt on the other. He paid your full debt and credited this as Grace ( free gift). On one side debt ( dead works under law), on the other side credit (the free gift of life under Grace). Perfectly balanced. ✝️
I appreciate the courage of Robert Spencer. But, I would prefer reading a critical Quran by someone with a doctorate in comparative Semitic languages. Yet, this is our problem: we have courageous people who lack the proper linguistic qualifications.
A few Questions: Was the Qur’an ment to be chanted like a lyrical poem? Has anyone looked at the Quran in its literary styles? As the Torah and further books of the Old Testament have different styles of delivery were originally intended? There were never indications from God to define them by chapter and verse, correct? That is man’s annotation to be able to find specific topics and/or draw things out of context? What is anyone’s insight on all this? Come back.
No wonder a true Muslim never give salam to a non, and if a non is to give salam, they would answer with a curse. So a Muslim friend of mine , advised me not to give salam ( Assalamualaikum ) for they will have to answer with a curse. ( They were taught that way . )
How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-11-23
The eastern Mediterranean was Greek speaking. That's why the Gospels were written and transmitted in Greek. During the first century Hebrew was still the language in Judea alongside Greek. The Ebionites & Nazoreans had Hebrew versions of Matthew that were commented on by both Christian & Jewish scholars. Though the Greek is the official standard for the Gospel if you want to read Hebrew Matthew you can get a critical edition along with commentaries. Now concerning the Aramaic there still exists old Aramaic Gospels, but the official Peshitta harmonizes with the Greek. Though I do agree that understanding the Hebrew and Aramaic are important since there is less issue of translation continuity from old to new Testaments. I have read them nothing doctrinal or dogmatic changes though.
Christians don’t even accept the Hebrew Bible. They accept the Greek translation over the original. All New Testament authors quote Greek translations of the OT. All churchfathers didn’t know Hebrew. Christianity is a mess.
There are translations which do rely on Syrian christian Aramaic texts for the New Testament. It used to be thought that these were entirely derived from Greek, but now the scholars are having second thoughts about that (e.g. see Odon La Fontaine's in Mel's channel). These Aramaic texts seem to me to be slightly more emphatic about Christ's divinity ! However in the 1C Greek was more natural to use - an easy well developed lingua franca (none of the problems with a primitive script that the Quran had), the Old Testament had already been translated, many diaspora Jews spoke it, it was one of the 2 key languages of the Roman Empire, a main target audience in the "go out to all nations" directive of Jesus.
The muslims are very preoccupied with critiquing the Bible, yet they have NO original sources for their books, relying on fouth hand recollections of sunday school type material.
there's a problem with the mysterious letters hypothesis of lectionary referancing... the Arabic keep the same numeral value that the hebrew are using... I would guess the syro-aramaic... and many goup of letter don't make sense as numeral values... first number are counted from the unit to the if we look at sourah 7... it's alif lam mim tsad... which would be 31:40:90... how does it make sense as a referancing a lexionary? if mim tsad would be additive for 130 it would be alif lam lam qaf... unless the tsad is Dad instead and taken for 900... so it would be 31:940... now finding a book with 31 chapter and 940+ verse shouldn't be that hard to find... but it doesn't seam the right answer to that subject... someone claim it'S referance to the Mani's writing... of which we got nothing... but mabe it was that long...
Another view on the mysterious letters: (1) If one goes by the Sanaa palimpsest example, the surahs were arbitrarily created out of long scrolls - by inserting a line on the 'original page' to end/start a surah. (2) Early 1slamic texts/inscriptions show several occurrences of a word, at the end of the line, split and carried forward to the beginning of the next line. So abra at the end of the first line, and cadabra at the start of the next line. (3) Now check the Sanaa palimpsest, Q 2:265-268. The first 12 lines of the first page contain 6 instances of words splits across two lines. (4) When the Abbasids dismissed the Nazarene clergy (the qur-an writers), the new 'scholars' had no idea what the 'orphaned letters' at the very start of the first line of the surah meant. One needs to closely observe the Sanaa palimpsest to understand that there is nothing mysterious about the mysterious letters. But are they pronounced right? Almost certainly not. The pronunciation is entirely dependent on the diacritics (added under the Abbasids late 9th/early 10th century CE).
Wow a pastor telling Christians' to memorize islamic prayers and sending them to a mosque to pray? What kind of pastor is this and what denomination is this? This is unbelievable that it's happening. the devil is truly at work in the church that are spiritually dead.
NOTE : Ibn Kathir and many other islamic scholars books are not good or completely translated . Often the translation is sugarcoated. Please let an HONEST native Arabic speaking person translate these books.
@@jdschauss Oh for heavens sake! Hahahahahah! I wonder how I made that mistake? Me the dummy hahahaha! Thanks for pointing it out. I'm 69 and sometimes a bit forgetful.
Muslims cry ' Allaho Akbar ' which means God is great. If that is true, then why do Muslims resort to threat and violence when they think Allah has been slighted? Shouldn't Allah send his own weapons to punish the culprits, if he is really powerful? That the Muslims claim one thing but practice another shows that their beliefs are false.
Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men. How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion? But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -06-10-23
So Jay Smith sat behind a camera and gushed over Robert Spencer without challenging him about the historical fallacies of Islamic tradition littered throughout the Pickthall Quran?
I will probobly like and 👍 this video, but as an outsider looking in, this quote com to mind: "And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?" 🤔 ... remind me to check my own eyes...
@mysotiras 018 I agree as to putt the Quran under the michroscope, with the addition of: "Bible genocide Good, Quran genocide Bad. Jesus = Real, Muhammad = Fake." Anyway "Be good to one another or fock off!" Gospel of Thomas Doubting 1:1
You state that there has been no cirque of the bible before the reformation. Please study the early church fathers. As well as the early church wrestles with gospels
It is a reference book, after all. I can recommend that you buy a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary, or a copy of Strong's Concordance to name two. I would not expect you to read either of them cover to cover.😁
Those who recommend reference books. Not all books are designed to be read from start to finish. They are meant to be 'used' rather than read. How many telephone directories did you ever read from one end to the other?
It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous when they could read something beautiful are written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking of always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides. If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart and the likes of him, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumbed to their evil motives. -06-06-23
Absolutely hilarious! One fake invented religion trying to disprove another fake invented religion. How about the fact that Christianity was invented by Paul who never even met Jesus!? The Christian religion took centuries to evolve into what it is and its still changing constantly. Amazing how no founder of a religion ever commits his teachings to writing within their lifetimes. How convenient.
AL QURAN IS NOT HUMAN MADE. - AL QURAN ALREADY RECOGNIZED THE JOURNEY OF THE PROPHET AND THE GUARDIANS WITH HIS PEOPLE / WITH UMMAH. - BEFORE THE PROPHETS AND THE GUARDIANS APPEARING IN THE WORLD AS A HELP FOR THE SAVIOR OF PEOPLE ( UMMAH ) AROUND THE WORLD. KNOWLEDGE OF WORSHIP FOR SOLEMN, I HAVE. AND - KNOWLEDGE TO HEAVEN IS IN ME FROM JONI JONI SUPER HERO FROM EAST JAVA.
ZELENSKY AND PUTIN , NOT WRONG. AND WRONG IS NATO AND AMERICA. BECAUSE NATO AND AMERICA KNOW. IF ZELENSKY WITH PUTIN THERE IS PROBLEM. NATO AND AMERICA MAKES SLANDER AND BRING INTO CONFLICT. WHY PUTIN ATTACK TO UKRAE. BECAUSE PUTIN ANGRY TO NATO AND ANGRY TO AMERICA. PUTIN NOT ANGRY TO UKRAE. WHY I AM ANGRY TO ZELENSKY. BECAUSE ZELENSKY NOT BELIEVE TO ME ,FOR LOST THE WAR. IF ZELENSKY BELIEVE TO ME. THERE IS NOT MANY PEOPLE DIE. FROM JONI JONI SUPER HERO FROM EAST JAVA.
The Koran is patently human-made. It's full of passages that, even at he linguistic level, contain terms that defy understanding, even words that have no currency in Arabic or any known language. It's a text that is as fallible as its author(s).
The OT has yet to be translated. The little- but significant- parts Kamal Salibi has tells a different ‘story.’ 4 bible study books not to be missed. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, a good start. As simple a statement as “ The Quran came from Arabia” fully understandable.
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH. According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-25-23
JAY AND ROBERT - EDUCATE YOURSELVES The ''difference'' you call VARIANTS were ALSO REVELATION as the Quran was revealed in 7 Ahruf / styles of Recitations ...and those ''variant words'' in SELECTED verses make-up those Styles while the ''Body Copy'' OF THE ENTIRE QURAN REMAINS THE SAME. PROOF The Quran was revealed in 7 uhruf ... hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles. (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819) Volume 3, Book 41, Number 593: Narrated ‘Abdullah (radiallaahu `anhu): I heard a man reciting a verse (of the Holy Qur’an) but I had heard the Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) reciting it differently. So, I caught hold of the man by the hand and took him to Allah’s Apostle (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) who said, “Both of you are right.” Shu’ba, the sub-narrator said, “I think he said to them, “Don’t differ, for the nations before you differed and perished (because of their differences).
What is Jay's problem with Islam? he believes Jesus is God and he will save him and forgive all his sins, why try to disprove something he doesn't believe it's true anyway? Robert keeps talking about variants but did not say anything about contradictions, I thought Muslams claims there are no contradictions in the Quran,
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-18-23
There is one gospel. The gospel is a message (good news), not a particular book. The Bible is not viewed by Christians the way the Quran is viewed by Muslims. The book derives from the church, not the church from the book.
@@michaels4255 ... So, you are belying your very own Bible. Which of the 4 gospels you considered to be just one? But that is also how Jay Smith sees it. You are right about the gospel being the good news. If you say the book derives from the church, do you mean to say that it's the church who made it? Or simply, who authored it? I hate to say that's the only alibi the christians could think of because they have no original Gospel to show. The original Gospel is nowhere to be found. Not even a single manuscript was left of it. In other words, it was not recorded and preserved. Had it been recorded and preserved, we would have only one gospel in our hands today. And definitely, it is in Aramaic. It is a book sent down by God to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews). It is a book of spiritual guidance from God. It is unlike the 4 gospels whose contents are nothing but holey biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). -05-21-23
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Nobody, even in the academia, had done a critical review of the Quran for public consumption until Robert Spenser. God bless RD
@@RaRa-xv2bu It is abundantly clear that the Koran has been changed and has numerous anomalies. Diacritical marks, for instance, were virtually non-existent in the early manuscripts and were added later. The Koran was standardised in Cairo and re-published in 1924 (standardisation implies differences existed). There are several textual differences today between, for instance, the Hafs and Warsh Korans. See the relevant chapter in Ibn Warraq's book Virgins? What Virgins? in which examples of such differences have been directly scanned from Hafs and Warsh Korans.
@@RaRa-xv2buI'm not familiar with Crona's work, but Spencer's credibility is unaffected. He did not assert that Muhammad never existed. He doesn't dispute that such a prophet was active in seventh century Arabia, but cautions that this is 'by no means the same thing as saying that the prophet as we come to know him in the biographical literature of Islamic tradition is a historical figure' (Spencer, Did Muhammad Exist?, p. 6). The nuance of Spencer's argument seems to have escaped you.
he's not qualified for that anyway
@@m.khalid334 He's perfectly well qualified. That's how and why he's produced the book.
@@maxb9315 i've heard his argument, typical intellectually lazy dishontest bullshit, anyone can write a book
Well done Robert & Jay . God bless you an your family ❤️
A huge labour of love and courage.Thank you Dr Spencer.Many will be praying for your protection
This is an excellent book for the serious scholar, as well as the novice who is simply wanting to read the Quran and gain insights into its meaning, history, and structure. Much of what you want to know is here and provides a springboard for deeper study.
You are funny. Robert Spencer is not even a scholar. He doesn’t even know the Arabic alphabet.😂
@alonzo Harris your ‘deflecting’ skills are in need of an upgrade. You want me to recommend a few corrupt politicians you can study?
@@ryanparris1021
It’s not a deflection. I’m just stating a fact.
The clown even uses Jay Smith as a source in his book.🥴🤣
@@alonzoharris9049 all jokes aside man…I know your taught to ‘discredit’ the source without considering it but Muslim or Christian we’re supposed to be seekers of truth…wherever it leads. Your Islamic history if you get out of your echo chambers is a huge gaping hole. Ours is plain to see. Not perfect. Many so called ‘Christians’ have been rank hypocrites and said/done awful things. Also I can’t ‘prove’ Abraham even existed but he lived thousands of years ago. But I can show you tons of New Testament cities, leaders, names, historical figures and many OT stuff as well from NON CHRISTIAN sources! Show me Mecca on a map from the 7th century (from non Muslim/non ‘unbiased’ scholars who aren’t just lying and pretending to ‘not be muslims’), show me ZamZam well proof that it sustained the claims in the Quran in the 7th century or beyond. I can show you tons of our History from 2,000 years ago or more. You can’t produce actual proof of virtually anything from 1,400 years ago? That’s not even to get into fulfilled prophecy…that’s even worse for you! Anyway I am pretty sure you’ll just attack and not give anything I’ve said a second thought but man would I love to be wrong…have a good day/evening nevertheless my friend.
@@ryanparris1021
Where do you want to start?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
You wait 1200 years for a critical Qur'an and then 2 come along together: Robert Spencer's 'Critical Qur'an' and Usama Dakdok's 'Generous Qur'an'. No doubt they will both be fascinating.
I've bought a number of Dr. Spencer's books and they are wonderful. This is another that should be bought.
Jay, PLEASE put up a list of books we should be reading/adding to our libraries, and a list of your library!
If you like history, I reccommend "Sword & Scimitar" by Raymond Ibrahim, and "In the Shadow of the Sword" by Tom Holland, to tell both about the bloody history of Islam and also how it possibly came into existence, as a mix of various heretical beliefs.
“The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon. “The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner/ Landstreicher translation. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi plus his 3 other bible study books. “No Treason: the Constitution of no Authority, 1,2, and 6”, Lysander Spooner.
The Reliance of the Traveller, ie the sharia manual. Very important! Lloyd de Jongh has an impressive library too.
I've read all of The Critical Qur'an. It is brilliant! Thank you Robert Spencer. BTW, you have to be careful when you read it because the pages are so thin and fragile and the gold print on the covers and spine wear off easily. On mine only half of the writing is still on it. It is so hard to seperate two pages because they are so thin so I was so careful when reading it. I've also read Did Muhammad Exist and I love it. Those two are in a proud place on my bookshelf. Love your work Robert Spencer.
I wonder if the publisher did that deliberately?
@@oltyret Maybe but I think that it may have something to do with the price of the paper type for such a big book.
Jay Smith, THANK YOU for writing the book!
Just 1 thing, though, for your next edition: Aside from including on each page chapter-title (ex. "The Light"), please also include the chapter-number (ex. "24").
Thanks for posting. The biggest problem for Islam is its own sources and often its own teachers.
They are afraid to be transparent with their own text. It should be the opposite. If their words are pure and true then the deeper study of it should be celebrated. As we know, that is not the case with islam. Hiding, deceit and censorship is their way. Pure DARKNESS.
Your Problem is in your brain
the biggest problem with xtianity is bible it self.
"bart ehrman"
@@khabibtime3689 Not at all. There is not a scholar on the planet that denies that the Bible doesn't make a claim like the quran does, and what is that claim?? the quran claims that it is 100% perfectly preserved, 100% uncorrupted, 100% unchanged, Not a single symbol or character changed. We know that this is FALSE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT YOU DO!!
There are over 100 different qurans with 100 different recitations. There are over 90,000 variations, mistakes, edits, additions, ommissions, changes in words, changes in meaning, changes in subject, changes in theological meaning. The quran has been bastardardized to death beyond all recognition. This makes the quran FALSE, allah FALSE, mahamed FALSE.
allah also claims scientific miracles such as this :
Allah thinks milk is made in a cow's Belly (stomach) Q16:66 - And there is certainly a lesson for you in cattle: We give you to drink of what is in their bellies, from between digested food and blood: pure milk, pleasant to drink.
MILK IS 100% NOT MADE IN THE BELLY/STOMACH OF THE COW. allah is FALSE, quran is FALSE, mahamed is FALSE
100% FAKE allah, 100% FALSE quran, 100% FAKE mahamed.
@@khabibtime3689 Have you read Spencer's book? You buy up whatever you're told about Christianity but won't apply the same scrutiny to the Quran. That's telling. You are scared of looking.
I have bought couple of Qurans before but never understood that book. Stories jump’s like a jack rabbit. And one of my Quran my puppy chewed it. I’m not jockeying, it’s true. Than ASA Robert’s Quran came out I was excited to buy and I was hoping that his critical Quran will help me to understand but still couldn’t understand anything. Please don’t get me wrong, it’s not that brother Robert Spencer job, in fact Robert did great job but It’s the basically cripple Quran which no one can understand even quran itself admitted.
We really appreciate and admire brother Robert Spencer’s hard work.
I am ex Muslim converted Christian from Pakistan. Glory to our savior Jesus Christ ✝️❤️
It is ONLY through criticism, as difficult as it may be to endure, that we clarify our truth. It is the majestic question which unlocks the door to knowledge, wisdom and understanding. If you are deeply rooted in your faith and a mature individual, you can not only handle any criticism or question, you welcome it.
This book along with many others, plus excellent research is giving us accurate information about the origins of Islam. The Muslim response - "Jay Smith believes in 3 Gods." It would be nice if actual Muslim scholars would present information to defend their faith, but alas, that's not going to happen for obvious reasons.
Yes they play a monopoly
Robert Spencer doesn’t even know the Arabic alphabet.🤣
@@irishheritage893
How is that relevant?
He claims to have the best critical work of the primary sources.🫠
Are the primary sources in English or in Arabic?🫠
@@irishheritage893
Robert Spencer is a clown. You try to elevate him as an expert in Quranic studies. It’s pathetic. It shows how desperate Christians are to invite an online troll as their expert.
@@irishheritage893
The book is not just out. It was already out last year. You want me demonstrate his errors?
You want me to show you how poor this work is?
It’s also funny that he only cites translated works of commentaries. It shows that he has no access to more than 90% of Islamic sources. How pathetic.
Great video! Robert Spencer's book is a real treasure trove. God bless both of you.
Very fine addition to my collection. My only critiques are (1) I would've preferred the book to be a cloth hardback rather the slick hardback it is, and/or to have a dust jacket; (2) I wish it had a sewn binding rather than a glued one; and (3) I wish it had the surah numbering in the top corner for easier navigation. Content-wise, though, I'm pleased to have this alongside Gordon Nickel's "Quran with Christian Commentary."
@@irishheritage893 I know it's a hardback. That's what I said.
@@treeckoniusconstantinus
You are wasting your money. It’s not a scholarly book.
It would last much longer if it was thread bound.
@@alonzoharris9049 have you bought and read it?
@@wabisabi6248
I haven’t bought it. A friend has his book. He gave it to me after he read it.
It’s a very poor book.
He only uses commentaries that are translated in English. He even quotes tanwir Al miqbas and claims it’s from Ibn Abbas.🥴🤣
It’s the level of shamoun’s articles. There are no academic principles and standards.
May Jesus continue to bless you both in all the risks you continue to take for him. You both are simply incredible men!!
Why would Jesus bless false preacher deceiving people?
@@keksi6844 Well, prove to me they are false.
_Sigh._ Epic missing of the point.
@@keksi6844 you got it wrong. Allah is the one who is a deceiver.
@@timothywilson5809 Jay recently made video how Birmingham Quran has 33 verses.
Problem is that that Quran has over 60 verses.
It shows Jay is under control of Satan.First of all he cant count (so no wonder he believes in trinity) and second Satan made him say magick number 33.
Love the format. The fact that the footnotes have their own endnotes is fantastic.
"Blind followers" do not ask questions. Only those who love the Truth will seek and find.
I bought this book and my only criticism is that it is technically not a quran because it does not have the Arabic canon alongside the translation. He should publish it again but with the Arabic text also.
Maybe a second edition with inputs from murad, dr. Jay, thomas alexander, rob Christian, Christian prince and dontconverttoislam might be able to find some other additional quotes or references that will add more value to this valuable reference work
Robert Spencer can’t read or write Arabic.
@@irishheritage893 im waiting for murad to come out with his literal translation of the quran
Maybe as a compendium of books?
To put everything we desire into one huge tome is too unwieldy.
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid no. It is just a literal translation of the quran according to arabic usage without the euphemisms. The quaran apparently has very vulgar language if it was translated without the euphemisms
@Holy Bible everyone can perform brain surgery. But a good outcome is negligible if you’re not a neurosurgeon
In you next edition make sure you put Chapter numbers on each page.
Thanks and God bless you brothers!
Fantastic! What a great guest!
Jay misunderstands: A critical edition is not "against" anything. It merely provides a scholarly source by comparing variant readings, and the like. We have that for the Hebrew Bible, for the Septuagint Greek Bible, and the New Testament Greek. They are in no way negative. Only in Islam is it regarded as negative.
I think that Robert covers the way in which his translation of the Qur'an is critical.
@@oprophetisfake9482 Jay used the word "against," and I was replying to that. I myself have published critical texts and understand exactly what they are.
@@BobSmith-lb9nc
Robert Spencer is not a scholar. He doesn’t even know the Arabic alphabet.😂
@@alonzoharris9049 Jay and Robert discussed that question. Spencer does know Arabic, even if he is not a native speaker. He is called a “Distinguished scholar” by Akbar Ahmed, Ibn-e-Khaldoon, Chair of Islamic Studies, American University, Washington, D.C.
@@BobSmith-lb9nc
You should stop with this nonsense.
Robert Spencer has no academic or scholarly credentials in this field. He doesn’t even have a PhD in Arabic.
How dishonest can you be?
He is just a self proclaimed ‘scholar’.
I use it almost daily.
Thank you both for your hard work, I've ordered my copy
This is certainly superior to just having a hardcopy of one of the English paraphrases (can they really be called translations, they seem to alter so much to hide difficulties ?? ). (Pickthall's Quran is possibly one of the more accurate ones, he was living in a time when if you were well off and had a privileged education, you tended not to care what others might think). Spencer's notes help explain how things are interpreted by muslims, and some problems.
I know you did not seek my opinion...
If we acknowledge the presence of two distinct layers of the qur-an (chants) - rasm and diacritic - we need to then take the translations (which were developed through the diacritic layer lens) with a pinch of salt.
The diacritics (added under the Abbasid patronage, late 9th century or early 10th century) have introduced many changes, not intended by the rasm layer.
A major example:
The word of interest is 'kutub' (=books). If an aleph is present after 't', it becomes 'kitab' (single book).
The rasm layer has nearly 250 'kutub'.
When the diacritic layer was added, a floating 'aleph' was added to over 95% of the instances.
So, except in about five cases, the rasm 'books' has been morphed into 'book'.
What should have been 'People of the Books' became 'People of the Book', etc.
Robert Spencer new book "The Critical Qur'an" will be a new weapon for use by ex-muslim movement
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There's much to be critical about in the Quran.
We have found much contradiction in it, just as it says we would if it were false...which it most certainly is.
Allumduillah Robert ibn Spenser the uthman of the 21st century
May God keep you both safe,if you don't ask you will never know thankyou for sharing God bless you both ❤
I am amazed. I was do it for my self . You save me lot of time
Me: "who wrote the quran"?
Muslims: " Robert Spencer"
This keeps my iman stronger and stronger Alhamdullaih I believe there’s no god but allah and prophet Muhammad is his last messenger ❤️
Good luck with that. My condolences
@@Cheeky_Sheikhy
well, you're right..
the muslims are too naive.. coz they worship only One God.. the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob..
the christians are clever..
coz they worship 3 Gods + 1 Goddess..
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This is a standard Muslim answer. 😅
This concept of last messenger doesn't make any sense.
Allah is testing you. Good job, slave. Keep your iman strong, no matter what.
This is good, very good actually. more and more people will read Quran in detail. Those sincere InsyaAllah, Allah will guide them to the right path.
St. Ephrem is a Doctor of the Catholic Church, considered one of the greatest Church Fathers. He is called the Syrian.
Thanks Robert for helping Muslims . May they turn to th Lord Jesus Christ. Keep up the good work Jay😊
This book will continue to help me get muslims at work to deal with hard questions. May the Holy Spirit lead them to Jesus
I don't think Robert Spencer is the right person to help guide people to Christ. He does a good job in attacking Islam, but little more. Simply to confess our faith, and to share our belief and what led us to belief in Jesus, and to do good, I personally feel is a much better option. (And I have read several of Mr. Spencer's books, but think they are shallow and mainly seem to be meant to provoke, not educate).
@Elvenkind I'm not going to use his book to bring Muslims to Christ. Only the Holy Spirit is able to do that. But if I can use the book to make Muslim question their faith and why they believe in Islam, it is a good tool. They then perhaps ask what Christianity has to offer
@@costa328
Your ''escape'' is to use the ''holy ghost''😅...but it manifest to you as a unholy spirit and you don't even know it😅🤣😂
PROOF
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@costa the language of quaran is far different from other books that you attract you if you read open heartedly
@@abdullahomorfaruk9224 which version do you read
Informative discussion
Robert, where is your tie? I am stunned you aren't wearing it!!!!
I see that Sura 1 v 7 point from Shia website which makes it clear that the mercy is only for believers, "because of their true belief, good actions, and faithful active obedience, deserve this special, exclusive mercy, of which the disbelievers are deprived". It goes on to say that the form of the word is used for finite not unlimited mercy so not ambiguous. Very sad that the first thing in a religions Holy book starts with no mercy for unbelievers and that carries on to the current day guidance on-line. Thanks for pointing it out.
As Thomas corrected you a few months ago Jay .... Lüling did not put Aramaic dots on just put the Arabic dots in different places.
Its Luxenberg that went to the Aramaic ... with his 7 step program ...
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Our prayers and love, God's blessings always be with you brothers
It’s insane that a religion based off of the critique that Jews and Christians corrupted their books and should be abrogated by the Quran, doesn’t allow any criticism of themselves.
Even non Muslim scholars testify to the accurate transmission of the Quran. You can’t say that about Christians.
Probably because it all got tied in with imperial politics early-ish. That is, from a historical point of view, looking at Shoemaker's "Creating the Quran", there is fairly reliable evidence that General Hajjaj, a rather coarse-hearted military man, set the key version, that was then used going forwards historically (but with likely other changes). It was part of a project for the supremacy of the new better organized imperium of Abd-El-Malik and successors. The alleged earlier Uthman revision may even have been a fiction as a PR job to present a respectable appearance to Hajjaj's work on previous material (blood-and-iron warlords don't tend to be very much about ideas of love, justice etc), it seems that hadithal idea may have come from one scholar close to the regime.
@@collybever
Shoemaker is just making these things up. He has no evidence for his conspiracy theories. He even refutes his own argument by stating the codex Parisino Petropolitanus can predate AbdelMalik. He refuted himself.
This guy is a ‘genius’.🤣
@@alonzoharris9049"I know how female mammals make breast milk! God explained it to me!"
- Alonzo Harris
@@alonzoharris9049 Do these ‘non Muslim scholars’ know that the Quran was canonised in 1924 because there were so many copies it was impossible to do standardised testing in Islamic Universities?
Q 2:135 should point to Q 3:67 as well since most readers will arrive to it first (good to see that Q 3:67 points back).
Jay, thanks again for your efforts and olsp Robert for this book review..I read Luxembergs book and though very interesting it is kinda hard to read, 70% its a linguists book I'd say..god bless
👈 مسلم مصري 🇪🇬 🇪🇬 و افتخر والحمد لله على نعمة الإسلام
Islam poisoned Egypt
Dr Angelica Neuwith should have brought out a critical Qur'an decades ago.
The Quran is correctly and accurately transmitted.
That’s why you try to elevate online trolls as scholars. It’s pathetic. It shows how defeated you are.🫠
There is nothing to criticize in the Quran - as that only shows your ignorance ...
Qn has four sources that is what nutrition said .
How u reconcile thT
@@aaabrams1889 which one? Dozens of qurans, all different.
@@IslamicOrigins
EDUCATE YOURSELF
The ''difference'' you call VARIANTS were ALSO REVELATION as the Quran was revealed in 7 Ahruf / styles of Recitations ...and those ''variant words'' in SELECTED verses make-up those Styles while the ''Body Copy'' OF THE ENTIRE QURAN REMAINS THE SAME.
PROOF
The Quran was revealed in 7 uhruf ... hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)
Volume 3, Book 41, Number 593:
Narrated ‘Abdullah (radiallaahu `anhu):
I heard a man reciting a verse (of the Holy Qur’an) but I had heard the Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) reciting it differently. So, I caught hold of the man by the hand and took him to Allah’s Apostle (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) who said, “Both of you are right.” Shu’ba, the sub-narrator said, “I think he said to them, “Don’t differ, for the nations before you differed and perished (because of their differences).
Thank you Mr Jay please can we get his books in Nigeria.
If you can´t find it in stores there is always the internet. Learning the truth about islam would do you well before the "Fulani herdsmen" accomplish their jihad. Stay safe, and get out if you at all can.
About a year ago I made a suggestion to RS.
I hope you have now included the chapter and verse numbers on top of each page
Amazing book!
I'd love to hear Jay's thoughts on what the Talmud says about Jesus Christ.
« Coran » was influence by « Talmud » and all the judéo-christianism … we all know that now ! It’s a construction … nothing « divine » 🤔😵💫
Jay Smith is an evangelical Christian. They worship Israel. They will never criticise it. They seek validation from the Jews.
Even though his biblical Jesus heavily criticised the Pharisees.
Evangelical Christians have Israel as their highest doctrine in Christianity.
@The Little Mermaid
You don’t even have unity among Christians. Don’t pretend a fake unity. It doesn’t exist.
@@alonzoharris9049"Ibrahim was a prophet for the Arabs. Ask me how I know!"
- Alonzo Harris
@mysotiras0187Muslims get the Bakrid festival idea purely from Old Testament where it is saying about Abraham and Issac not of Ismail. Please give references from the Qur'an or Hadiths.
Thanks Robert and Jay it's Very Informative Educating Us More About Islam 🎉🎉❤❤
Good point, but don't commence virtually every word with an upper-case letter. It's erroneous.
Jay is the man!👍
Many of christ believers dont care to know about other religious, specially Islam, who are more on the offenceive, and attack Christian belief, and their belief in Christ as son of God and on of Man.
They insult, all those that dont believe in their Allah.
Hate and kill non believers.., its not sin or a crime against humanity.
Your contribution, a books the subject is the just need of the hour.
We appreciate and congratulate bro. Robert, CP for the books.
Its great service to believing class.
Any way, what is the easiest wauy to get your books in In AP, India.?
In these circamstances..your
I studied islam. It is a religion of war, hate, and terrorism.
Also islam traditionally was practiced by conquering pagans and enslaving them if they didn't convert.
Also islam teaches muslims to lie even to their fellow muslims.
islamic sources showed only violence and hate.
The priest Bruno Bonnet-Eymard has found that the A.L.M letters are from jewish אל״ם which stands for אל למושעות, which means The God of Deliverance. Later it became בס״ד , which means in aramaïc with god's help. This suggest that the author used to start those surats with A.L.M , the jewish way.
I know you are busy as a foremost expositor of Islamic problems from a Christian viewpoint. But I have a question. some decade and a half ago, I went to visit a friend and colleague (engineer) who was from Peshawar and had had a stroke. All those at the hospital were his son and wife, coworkers that were from Pakistan and were Muslim and at least one Imam. This was in Fort Worth, but in that waiting room I was the fish out of water. My friend had privately expressed his dismay at the radical nature of the teachings of his mosque and he had stopped going there because of this. I think the appearance of an anglo and presumably a Christian (I am) caused disquiet among the group. The imam who was a physician (also a presumably well educated) stepped up to challenge me, though I had only come to express my desire that Aktar would get well. The point of attack was that Ishmael was the child of promise. I set about to rebut this from scripture. A coworker from the plant stepped in to diffuse the situation and stop the dialogue. Why do you think this was the point of attack? I am curious. This man was probably more bookish than the muslims to which you refer.
Shia say that the oldest Qu'ran is compiled by Ali
GBU brothers!
I am from India and loving your videos
Hey. Is there anyone well-versed in either Islam in literature or Islamic history? They would either be willing to take a look at part of a book I’ve worked on, or at least direct me to some resources to be able to help me to evaluate if my portrayal of Muslim slavery, particularly during the ottoman period, is accurate?
From my understanding in this video, two things I have doubt here is Surah 19:33 which in this video mentions that 'Jesus did die' but rather if you lookup english translations of the same verse it says 'the day I die', which clearly doesn't mean the same thing. Secondly you mentioned something about a curse to Christians and Jews in the 7 fatiha verses, which in english translation doesn't clearly mention Jews or Christians in the words, and althoug it mentions something about asking for guidance in the prayer so that one may not go astray or feel the wrath of the almighty isn't clearly equivalent to referring to Jews or Christians, as any one in any religion can ask for the same guidance to not go astray or feel the wrath.
I know you did not seek my opinion...
If we acknowledge the presence of two distinct layers of the qur-an (chants) - rasm and diacritic - we need to then take the translations (which were developed through the diacritic layer lens) with a pinch of salt.
The diacritics (added under the Abbasid patronage, late 9th century or early 10th century) have introduced many changes, not intended by the rasm layer.
A major example:
The word of interest is 'kutub' (=books). If an aleph is present after 't', it becomes 'kitab' (single book).
The rasm layer has nearly 250 'kutub'.
When the diacritic layer was added, a floating 'aleph' was added to over 95% of the instances.
So, except in about five cases, the rasm 'books' has been morphed into 'book'.
What should have been 'People of the Books' became 'People of the Book', etc.
@@vicmath1005
Do you think that the Arabs in Mohammad (saw) and the Caliphs could not recite the Recitation (Quran) without diacritical markings?😀
WHAT AM I WRITING BELOW?
''THR IS GD''
"curse to Christians and Jews" The two groups are described in the prayer as follows: "not of those who EARNED YOUR ANGER, nor of those WHO WENT ASTRAY"
ALL the tafsir scholars are clear that the two groups being denigrated are Christians and Jews. Some quran translators even add the two groups in brackets (e.g. Mohsin Khan translation), while other qurans have a footnote at the bottom of the page, stating that those who 'earned your anger' are the Jews, and those 'who went astray' are the Christians.
A couple of tafsir entries:
" not the path of those against whom there is wrath namely the Jews and nor of those who are astray namely the Christians" Tafsir al-Jalalayn
"not the religion of the Jews who earned Your anger, ...nor the religion of the Christians who erred from Islam." Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
A hadith:
They follow the words reported for muhammed, "Narrated Adi bin Hatim: I asked Allah’s Messenger about the Statement of Allah: "Gharil maghdubi ‘alaihim [not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger]," he replied: "They are the Jews". And 2: "Walad dallin (nor of those who went astray)," he replied: "The Christians, and they are the ones who went astray". At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud.
All educated cult members know that when they pray this they are denigrating those two groups, but this is only a very mild insult compared to other passages in the quran, and the absolutely disgusting sermons preached by their clerics.
@@aaabrams1889 No. That is not the point. Point is, no diacritics results in a pretty severe change in meaning, and it isn't even "complementary".
@@greyngreyer5
If no diacritical markings result in a pretty severe change in meaning, and it isn't even "complementary". Do you think that the Arabs in Mohammad (saw) and the Caliphs could not recite the Recitation (Quran) without diacritical markings?😀
The online Quran's are notoriously hard to navigate, and if you search for anny of the 'problematic' words, prepare to become a conspiracy theorist...
True dat
Need to get a Quran
Whitch one are you going to get ? so many to choose from 😂
@susanlaycock707 please stop embarrassing yourself..
Footnote 8 on The Cow needs to be placed elsewhere imo
If people could just see that the Word is eternal ( John 1.1). Nothing to do with a textbook. And that the scroll (book) is the Word that became flesh and dwelt amongst us, and was unsealed on the cross! Revelation of Christ Jesus! The apocalypse ( the unveiling) of God, Jesus Christ.
Redemption by paying the full ransom. Every accountant knows that when writing a debit credit account, you draw a cross with credit on one side and debt on the other. He paid your full debt and credited this as Grace ( free gift). On one side debt ( dead works under law), on the other side credit (the free gift of life under Grace). Perfectly balanced. ✝️
I appreciate the courage of Robert Spencer. But, I would prefer reading a critical Quran by someone with a doctorate in comparative Semitic languages. Yet, this is our problem: we have courageous people who lack the proper linguistic qualifications.
A few Questions:
Was the Qur’an ment to be chanted like a lyrical poem?
Has anyone looked at the Quran in its literary styles? As the Torah and further books of the Old Testament have different styles of delivery were originally intended?
There were never indications from God to define them by chapter and verse, correct?
That is man’s annotation to be able to find specific topics and/or draw things out of context?
What is anyone’s insight on all this?
Come back.
No wonder a true Muslim never give salam to a non, and if a non is to give salam, they would answer with a curse. So a Muslim friend of mine , advised me not to give salam ( Assalamualaikum ) for they will have to answer with a curse. ( They were taught that way . )
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How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic.
From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it?
I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-11-23
The eastern Mediterranean was Greek speaking. That's why the Gospels were written and transmitted in Greek. During the first century Hebrew was still the language in Judea alongside Greek. The Ebionites & Nazoreans had Hebrew versions of Matthew that were commented on by both Christian & Jewish scholars. Though the Greek is the official standard for the Gospel if you want to read Hebrew Matthew you can get a critical edition along with commentaries. Now concerning the Aramaic there still exists old Aramaic Gospels, but the official Peshitta harmonizes with the Greek. Though I do agree that understanding the Hebrew and Aramaic are important since there is less issue of translation continuity from old to new Testaments. I have read them nothing doctrinal or dogmatic changes though.
Christians don’t even accept the Hebrew Bible. They accept the Greek translation over the original.
All New Testament authors quote Greek translations of the OT.
All churchfathers didn’t know Hebrew.
Christianity is a mess.
There are translations which do rely on Syrian christian Aramaic texts for the New Testament. It used to be thought that these were entirely derived from Greek, but now the scholars are having second thoughts about that (e.g. see Odon La Fontaine's in Mel's channel). These Aramaic texts seem to me to be slightly more emphatic about Christ's divinity ! However in the 1C Greek was more natural to use - an easy well developed lingua franca (none of the problems with a primitive script that the Quran had), the Old Testament had already been translated, many diaspora Jews spoke it, it was one of the 2 key languages of the Roman Empire, a main target audience in the "go out to all nations" directive of Jesus.
@@alonzoharris9049the Dead Sea scrolls confirmed The Hebrew Scriptures, which can and is translated into any language.
@@P.H.888
Do you accept the Dead Sea scrolls to be canon?
Mantap!
The muslims are very preoccupied with critiquing the Bible, yet they have NO original sources for their books, relying on fouth hand recollections of sunday school type material.
there's a problem with the mysterious letters hypothesis of lectionary referancing...
the Arabic keep the same numeral value that the hebrew are using... I would guess the syro-aramaic... and many goup of letter don't make sense as numeral values...
first number are counted from the unit to the if we look at sourah 7... it's alif lam mim tsad... which would be 31:40:90... how does it make sense as a referancing a lexionary?
if mim tsad would be additive for 130 it would be alif lam lam qaf...
unless the tsad is Dad instead and taken for 900... so it would be 31:940...
now finding a book with 31 chapter and 940+ verse shouldn't be that hard to find...
but it doesn't seam the right answer to that subject...
someone claim it'S referance to the Mani's writing... of which we got nothing... but mabe it was that long...
Another view on the mysterious letters:
(1) If one goes by the Sanaa palimpsest example, the surahs were arbitrarily created out of long scrolls - by inserting a line on the 'original page' to end/start a surah.
(2) Early 1slamic texts/inscriptions show several occurrences of a word, at the end of the line, split and carried forward to the beginning of the next line. So abra at the end of the first line, and cadabra at the start of the next line.
(3) Now check the Sanaa palimpsest, Q 2:265-268. The first 12 lines of the first page contain 6 instances of words splits across two lines.
(4) When the Abbasids dismissed the Nazarene clergy (the qur-an writers), the new 'scholars' had no idea what the 'orphaned letters' at the very start of the first line of the surah meant.
One needs to closely observe the Sanaa palimpsest to understand that there is nothing mysterious about the mysterious letters.
But are they pronounced right? Almost certainly not. The pronunciation is entirely dependent on the diacritics (added under the Abbasids late 9th/early 10th century CE).
It is quite fascinating how tame many critics become about Islam (Dawkins is a good example).
Dawkins is afraid
@@craigime probably yes
Wow a pastor telling Christians' to memorize islamic prayers and sending them to a mosque to pray? What kind of pastor is this and what denomination is this? This is unbelievable that it's happening. the devil is truly at work in the church that are spiritually dead.
No kidding. My church would not even allow me to pray with Jay Smith, much less with Muslims.
NOTE : Ibn Kathir and many other islamic scholars books are not good or completely translated .
Often the translation is sugarcoated. Please let an HONEST native Arabic speaking person translate these books.
Christian Prince is translating it. He is a native Arabic speaker, reader and writer.
@@P.H.888 Is he translating tafsir too?
My two FAVORITE PTOLEMECISTS!
Are they experts on Ptolemy?
@@chollocks what a silly question 😡
@@lindaclark6148 Look at how you spelled polemicists. That's why you got the snarky question from the last guy.
@@jdschauss Oh for heavens sake! Hahahahahah! I wonder how I made that mistake? Me the dummy hahahaha! Thanks for pointing it out. I'm 69 and sometimes a bit forgetful.
@@lindaclark6148 The ability to laugh at our own errors is a divine gift. God bless you, sister!
Muslims cry ' Allaho Akbar ' which means God is great. If that is true, then why do Muslims resort to threat and violence when they think Allah has been slighted? Shouldn't Allah send his own weapons to punish the culprits, if he is really powerful? That the Muslims claim one thing but practice another shows that their beliefs are false.
Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men.
How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion?
But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -06-10-23
There is no original Aramaic gospel
So Jay Smith sat behind a camera and gushed over Robert Spencer without challenging him about the historical fallacies of Islamic tradition littered throughout the Pickthall Quran?
All of Roberts books shows the absolute idiocy of islam
I will probobly like and 👍 this video, but as an outsider looking in, this quote com to mind:
"And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"
🤔 ... remind me to check my own eyes...
Quote means nothing to the issue. Christians have been engaging in textual criticism for centuries
@mysotiras 018 I agree as to putt the Quran under the michroscope, with the addition of:
"Bible genocide Good, Quran genocide Bad. Jesus = Real, Muhammad = Fake."
Anyway "Be good to one another or fock off!"
Gospel of Thomas Doubting 1:1
Ave Christus Rex.
Ave Maria.
You state that there has been no cirque of the bible before the reformation. Please study the early church fathers. As well as the early church wrestles with gospels
golf's petrodollars made academic milieu embrace the dogmatic reading to define (explicit) islam
(A Priest sayd from another … that) A L M = El LeMossa’ot … 🤔
Who recommends a book but suggests not to read it through to the end 😂
It is a reference book, after all.
I can recommend that you buy a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary, or a copy of Strong's Concordance to name two. I would not expect you to read either of them cover to cover.😁
Those who recommend reference books. Not all books are designed to be read from start to finish. They are meant to be 'used' rather than read. How many telephone directories did you ever read from one end to the other?
It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous when they could read something beautiful are written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking of always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides.
If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart and the likes of him, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumbed to their evil motives. -06-06-23
Why do you say pbuh?
To paraphrase Groucho Marx: When you read the Quran, believe Muslin Apologists, not your lying eyes.
Absolutely hilarious! One fake invented religion trying to disprove another fake invented religion. How about the fact that Christianity was invented by Paul who never even met Jesus!? The Christian religion took centuries to evolve into what it is and its still changing constantly. Amazing how no founder of a religion ever commits his teachings to writing within their lifetimes. How convenient.
Absolutely hilarious, a typical atheist troll ignorant of his own religion
AL QURAN IS NOT HUMAN MADE.
- AL QURAN ALREADY RECOGNIZED THE JOURNEY OF THE PROPHET AND THE GUARDIANS WITH HIS PEOPLE / WITH UMMAH.
- BEFORE THE PROPHETS AND THE GUARDIANS APPEARING IN THE WORLD AS A HELP FOR THE SAVIOR OF PEOPLE ( UMMAH ) AROUND THE WORLD.
KNOWLEDGE OF WORSHIP FOR SOLEMN, I HAVE. AND
- KNOWLEDGE TO HEAVEN IS IN ME
FROM JONI JONI SUPER HERO
FROM EAST JAVA.
ZELENSKY AND PUTIN , NOT WRONG. AND WRONG IS NATO AND AMERICA. BECAUSE NATO AND AMERICA KNOW. IF ZELENSKY WITH PUTIN THERE IS PROBLEM. NATO AND AMERICA MAKES SLANDER AND BRING INTO CONFLICT.
WHY PUTIN ATTACK TO UKRAE. BECAUSE PUTIN ANGRY TO NATO AND ANGRY TO AMERICA.
PUTIN NOT ANGRY TO UKRAE.
WHY I AM ANGRY TO ZELENSKY. BECAUSE ZELENSKY NOT BELIEVE TO ME ,FOR LOST THE WAR.
IF ZELENSKY BELIEVE TO ME. THERE IS NOT MANY PEOPLE DIE.
FROM JONI JONI SUPER HERO
FROM EAST JAVA.
The Koran is patently human-made. It's full of passages that, even at he linguistic level, contain terms that defy understanding, even words that have no currency in Arabic or any known language. It's a text that is as fallible as its author(s).
I challenge you at a debate .. let's see what you'll do , I bet you'll never answer lol
You talking to me?
The OT has yet to be translated. The little- but significant- parts Kamal Salibi has tells a different ‘story.’ 4 bible study books not to be missed. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, a good start. As simple a statement as “ The Quran came from Arabia” fully understandable.
Can you speak English?
@@craigime Can’t you read.
Can you speak English?
@@craigime Actually reading is not speaking: goodbye simpleton.
Can you speak English?
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians.
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-25-23
I suggest you post remarks that relate to the topic of the video.
JAY AND ROBERT - EDUCATE YOURSELVES
The ''difference'' you call VARIANTS were ALSO REVELATION as the Quran was revealed in 7 Ahruf / styles of Recitations ...and those ''variant words'' in SELECTED verses make-up those Styles while the ''Body Copy'' OF THE ENTIRE QURAN REMAINS THE SAME.
PROOF
The Quran was revealed in 7 uhruf ... hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)
Volume 3, Book 41, Number 593:
Narrated ‘Abdullah (radiallaahu `anhu):
I heard a man reciting a verse (of the Holy Qur’an) but I had heard the Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) reciting it differently. So, I caught hold of the man by the hand and took him to Allah’s Apostle (sallallaahu `alayhi wasallam) who said, “Both of you are right.” Shu’ba, the sub-narrator said, “I think he said to them, “Don’t differ, for the nations before you differed and perished (because of their differences).
What you call 'proof' is no proof at all.
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why not?
@@aaabrams1889 'Proof' means incontrovertible evidence or argument.What you present as proof is simply a non-verifiable narrative.
@@maxb9315
That's what proof is...and I presented proof as the Evil missionaries don't tell you this or the full story.
@@aaabrams1889 That's not proof. It's not incontrovertible evidence.
What is Jay's problem with Islam? he believes Jesus is God and he will save him and forgive all his sins, why try to disprove something he doesn't believe it's true anyway? Robert keeps talking about variants but did not say anything about contradictions, I thought Muslams claims there are no contradictions in the Quran,
What is your problem with Jay?
I see fatwas flying, outrage oozing.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-18-23
There is one gospel. The gospel is a message (good news), not a particular book. The Bible is not viewed by Christians the way the Quran is viewed by Muslims. The book derives from the church, not the church from the book.
@@michaels4255 ...
So, you are belying your very own Bible. Which of the 4 gospels you considered to be just one? But that is also how Jay Smith sees it. You are right about the gospel being the good news. If you say the book derives from the church, do you mean to say that it's the church who made it? Or simply, who authored it?
I hate to say that's the only alibi the christians could think of because they have no original Gospel to show. The original Gospel is nowhere to be found. Not even a single manuscript was left of it. In other words, it was not recorded and preserved. Had it been recorded and preserved, we would have only one gospel in our hands today. And definitely, it is in Aramaic. It is a book sent down by God to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews). It is a book of spiritual guidance from God. It is unlike the 4 gospels whose contents are nothing but holey biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). -05-21-23
Why doesn’t he write about the Bible or his religion? Leave the religion and his sources alone. He doesn’t believe in it any way
Compare the books written about the Bible and Christianity and compare it with the books written about the Quran and Islam.... which has more?