I’ve never seen Jay more focused. He’s presenting facts succinctly and the final questions helped solidify the presentation. Well done! I can’t wait for the next one…
Jay, greetings from South Africa. Watched many of your videos. This one's on point as usual. Pray our Lord and savior Jesus Christ sustains you for many years to come
@@defenderoftruth3212 I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST:I AM HE THAT LIVETH, AND WAS DEAD;AND, BEHOLD, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, AMEN;AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH!I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING, SAITH THE LORD, WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY!ONLY YESHUA CAN SAVE YOU!GOD BLESS
God bless you all. Can you guys do a presentation on the chain of narrations? How it works, if all these chain of narrators are good is their confidence in it?
Reply to 14.38 Dear Dr. Jay Smith, I appreciate your engagement with the historical aspects of early Islamic texts. However, it seems there might be a misunderstanding or misconception regarding the compilation of the Sirah and Hadith traditions. The compilation of the Sirah by Ibn Ishaq and later by Hisham, Bukhari, Muslim and others does not necessarily imply fabrication or imagination. The science of hadith, specifically "Ilm ar-rijal" or the science of men, plays a crucial role in assessing the reliability of narrators. Ilm ar-rijal involves studying the capacity and moral character of transmitters. Those rated as "trustworthy" (thiqa) possess both moral uprightness (ʿadāla) and competence (ḍābit). The early compilers, like al-Bukhari, Muslim, Trimidhi, al-Nasa'i and many went to great lengths to ensure the integrity of the narrators they included. Moreover, the companions of the Prophet (ṣaḥāba) were generally considered to possess collective moral integrity, and their accounts were often accepted without individual scrutiny due to their proximity to the Prophet. The science of hadith, with its rigorous criteria for evaluating narrators, provides a systematic method to sift through the vast body of narrations. This methodology gives scholars confidence in the reliability of the transmitted information. I wonder why you didn't even mention this to your good audience. While it's valid to consider the time gap between events and the recording of traditions, the meticulous nature of the isnad (chain of narrators) and matn (content) scrutiny ensures that reliable information is transmitted. It's essential to recognize the scholarly rigor applied to the compilation of Islamic texts, acknowledging the thorough processes in place to preserve the authenticity of the Prophet's teachings. Hope your research continues on the right track. God bless.
The non-historicity of Muhammad is likely the reason why Islam is so protective of his image and character. Because he isn’t real, no one can be allowed to even suggest that he didn’t exist, which would lead to the whole farce come crashing down.
The very fact that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the subject of almost all of the videos of Jay Smith is a clear manifestation of his existence. This hullaballoo of Jay Smith would not have been almost everyday either in CIRA International or in Pfander Films if indeed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not exist. But to his silly shallow thinking, if he could convince the people, which I believe only the Christians would bite it, that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not exist, then there could be a chain-reaction. The Qur'an did not exist too. Islam did not exist too. This is his ulterior and evil motive. This is the work of Satan. Satan is inspiring him to do this. In short, he is the soldier and agent of Satan. And those whom he would be able to convince with would be like him too. And the beautiful reward for this is the raging fire of Hell. -10-30-23
I've recently listened to the truth behind the emergence Islam. And I have a question for j. What about the Birmingham manuscript? They say it's written between 5 and 600 B. C. But you clearly state the first islamic writings were 200 years after the death of Muhammad. Please explain.
This is 4 pages which were non-Biblical writings from prior to the COMPILATION of the later actual Quran. There is more about manuscripts in Pfander RUclips from Jay Smith.
@@MHMDmeansJesu234Christ They were Quranic writings. Direct passages from the current Quran. The manuscript contains parts of Surahs 19 (Maryam) to 20 (Taha). Which are in the Quran. So what is your point?
I would add that the 'byzantine Christians' at the time most likely saw themselves as roman citizens, a part of the one holy catholic church. 'orthodox' Christianity was not an established denomination until the great schism in 1054
I think I'm confused, but I'm not sure. I guess a major question is...how correct is Guilaume in his translation (what Deutsch to English...is that what Jay means?) Of course, then, what matters is...Wustenfeld correct in what he compiled to eventually be translated? ( Guillaume) If so, our western ignorance of Muhammad's life does not mean what was scattered throughout libraries in Germany was wrong. It seems we still cannot not know what about his life is real or not.
How about the dead sea scrolls? I presumed those are written in Aramaic, & Greek which have been subject to scientific scrutiny and being translated in English and found its content compared to the standard bible was not corrupted.
This is intriguing. But then, how do we explain the sunni-shia split? That has beginnings since the death of the prophet and you have people living far and wide who are carrying those histories and narratives and events in their families. If this was a story concocted in the 8th or 9th centuries, how do we explain the presence of these people & communities? As they persist til today...
The slightest research would give you your answer. Once mohammed died, there was the question of who should take over. Done said his family (son?) Should take over and some believed a guy who was a unrelated leader should take over. 2 specific people. Some went with either one guy and some went with the other guy. There you have it. Simple.
@@heikejohannajahns3257 am into explain why people have beliefs they teach to their children? Its simple, they believe one way is right and the other wrong. That's why it persists.
Great lecture on the history of Islam. I do have a problem with the non existing Muhammed claim. Is it not a really big strech to claim he did not exist in person?
They say the same thing about jesus so I'm not impressed. At least they believe in jesus and that he IS THE messiah too. It's the Jews who literally believe Christians should be EXECUTED FOR IDOLATRY, not the muslims. The Christians and jews have always lived in peace among the muslims up until the establishment of istael anyway. O know you eont believe Jews are the ones who reach and preach the killing of Christians but I've studied under 3 rabbis and I'm telling you it's TRUE. The muslims believe in jesus as the messiah. The jews deny snd mock jesus. This guy should be exposing the REAL enemy of christianity
It is not a stretch. KINGS and RULERS TOLD you the "correct" things you ought to think back at the near-ancient times. And they were picking and choosing historical things that could be changed slightly for their purposes. And rulers influenced and controlled politics and religion and culture.
Thry have found a scroll called the Birmingham scroll that mentions Mohammed in a battle they know happened, so now there IS proof Mohammed existed. I agree, it's rather a stretch to try and claim he never existed. Apparently that's important to the argument against islam as a religion, that mohammed is made up. I know some that's their only argument against Islam. When I say alot of people dont believe jesus existed, like jews and atheists, somehow it doesn't compute with them. Well, that argument is now dead. This guy doesnt seem to genuinely seek to convert muslims. They already believe in jesus so why argue Mohammed wasnt real? It's superfluous . Plus, this guy said if a Muslim divorces his wife and they want to get back together, the wife must first go to bed with the mullah and be penetrated before going back to the hubby. I don't believe that at all. He is from India, and india can have some strange customs in small villages, but I still don't believe it. Best I can say is maybe he misunderstood the language when he was told that. Anybody who goes about conversion by some academic debate on the customs or history of the religion ia going about it all wrong. His parents were Missionaries and I think he's capitalizing on muslim hate to sell books personally.
From india. Dr. Jay, please read dr. Washington carey's "godman the word made flesh" 1916. Christ is an oil secreted in everbodys pineal gland and not a person.
Speaking of carbon-dating, the manuscripts of the Bible are carbon-dated to the 9th century, except for a torn one with the size of a credit card which is carbon-dated to the 3rd century. In other words, the Bible is written long after the Qur'an. -10-30-23
If course they believe in the old testament. They believe in all the prophets like moses, Noah, all of them. They also believe in jesus. Not just that hes a prophet, but that jesus is THE messiah to return and rule the world, not mohammed. And you wont believe it, but the jews believe Christian's should be EXECUTED for idolatry. I've studied under 3 rabbis and they TEACH Christians should be executed and not allowed to have churches or practice. I'm not exaggerating. The muslims however believe that they, Christians and jews all are people of the book, abraham. He's distracting people about Islam but he protects jews who really teach Christian should be killed. Talk about deception of the end times......
It’s kinda funny to hear Muslims say something like “Islam respects Jesus”. How do you respect him when you deny everything that make Jesus special, everything that we Christians are all know that he is the LORD and the salvation of mankind. Anyway, we shouldn’t hate them or anyone for that but love them and pray for them. May God bless you all, believer or not. God loves you😊
It's not kinda funny. To the Muslims, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is only a mere prophet of Allah SWT. Him, being the prophet of Allah SWT, Muslims are duty-bound to love and respect. Muslims are duty-bound to love and respect all prophets. That is a command from Allah SWT. So, Muslims love and respect him just as they love and respect Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and all the other prophets. Salvation of the Muslims is on the submission to the will of Allah SWT. And the Muslims believe that Prophet jESUs (pbuh) submits too to the will of Allah SWT. May Allah SWT guide you to the right path. -10-29-23
@@DingoNovember .... Muslims don't look at Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a coward. As a matter of fact, he is considered as one of the mightiest messengers of Allah SWT. If there is someone who treats him as a coward, it's the writers of his holey biography which they deceptively labeled it as the make-believe gospel in 4 accounts. Hence, Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. In the 4 make-believe gospels, he is being portrayed as a coward preacher. He is hiding in the remote areas of Israel. The subjects of his ministry are poor peasants, poor fishermen, poor carpenters. Hence, his recruits as his apostles and disciples are poor and illiterate who don't know how to read and write. As he conducted his preaching in the remote areas, he saw to it that his activity will not catch the attention and knowledge of the Roman soldiers. For surely it will ignite the ire of the Roman King. He is too careful that everytime he healed a person, he would ask him not to tell anyone. That is how he feared the Roman empire. This is what kind of a person he is being portrayed by the gospel writers. A coward person. Is cowardice the primordial attribute of God? -10-30-23
@@DingoNovember .... For your info sir, my comments are based on your Bible, specifically in the 4 make-believe gospels. I suggest you should read what are written on how he conducted his ministry clandestinely in the remote areas in the 4 make-believe gospels. -11-03-23
How I earnestly wish that there is now an ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -09-23-23
It’s hypothesized that Jesus spoke both Aramaic and Common Greek. Those living under the Roman Empire were pushed to learn their language as well as Common Greek. The New Testament is in Greek. You can find it and read it. I suggest starting from the beginning and learning how it was all compiled and reading the writings of these documents from those around the time as well as reviews by scholars who give input and more chronological and contextual background. Then when you read it in Greek you will understand it better.
@@elfullin ... The language spoken of by Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as well as the people at that is Aramaic. Thus, the book sent Allah SWT to him is in the language he and the his people knew. Greek is the language spoken in Greece. So it's quite absurd for God to send a book to his prophet not in his language. Had God sent a book not in Aramaic, the people would question Prophet jESUs (pbuh) about what he's preaching. Before I go further, I would like to ask you if you have read the 4 gospels? If not, read them first and understand what's in it. The 4 gospels are nothing but make-believe gospels. Their contents are nothing but the HOLEY biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) written in 4 accounts. There is not single revelation from God in it. Hence, there is not single word of God in them. Hence, not from God. The original Aramaic Gospel sent by Allah SWT to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is a book, and it is complete by itself. It is a book of guidance to mankind. Hence, it is book of divine laws. The 4 make-believe gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are deceptively labeled as gospels. The appropriate label should be: 1). Biography of Jesus by Mark; 2). Biography of Jesus by Matthew; 3). Biography of Jesus by Luke; 4). Biography of Jesus by John. -(10-29-23)
@@defenderoftruth3212 how can the Injil be Corrupted if that’s Allahs word nobody can change Allah words lol. Read chapter 3 verse 55 of your false Quran it states that the believers of Jesus will be upper most against the disbelievers until the last day of judgment. Which means the followers of Jesus have the true meaning and message of the Bible. Otherwise you can believe in the contradiction in the Quran that says Jesus followers will be higher and beat all false people. Only two questions for you was the Injil corrupted before or after Mohamed’s time? And the second question is who are The predominant followers of Jesus that we have today it’s called Christianity they follow the Bible. Do some research and you will find more evidence that the Quran is a false book.
Dr. Jay Smith hammers Islam. Why would a Muslim use him to undermine the bibel? That's ignorant. Watch some of his videos and you'll understand. The practice of taking a small sample from a video out of context is so stupid.
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH. According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? Sources (to name a few): 1. Islam vs. Christianity 2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives? 3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -10-28-23
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? Sources (to name a few): 1. Islam vs. Christianity 2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives? 3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -10-03-23
You lot good at destroying Islam, but there no trinity in Christian bible, why is that? If believe Christian trinity, your making Christian faith a pagan Christianity?
@@DefenderOfChrist_ ... Wait for the Day when you'll be facing Allah SWT. And on that Day, you'll cry to let Him give you a second chance to go back to earth so that you could submit to Him. But bad news for you. You cannot go back to earth again. You only live once on earth. But you can die many times in Hell. Sorry for you. The believers of Allah SWT will live forever in Paradise with all the luxuries in life. But in Hell, the boiling water is your bath which would scald your whole body. Your food, it's awful and odorous. But you'll eat it because it's your prize. What a prize indeed! "Where are you, my lord, Jesus?" But Prophet jESUs (pbuh) will never give a blink on you. For you defied his teachings. He taught you to worship his God. But you worship him instead. -10-30-23
@@Forhimbyhim247 ... How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Even though it is against his will and contrary to his teachings, he was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it. The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries. Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity. Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism. Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!! To get further information on how Christianity and “Jesus” are invented in Rome, see the video with the title: THE CAESAR’S MESSIAH. -10-30-23
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. Sources (to name a few): 1. Islam vs. Christianity 2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives? 3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -09-29-23
It is because of politics. Zionism has been taught in the west since early 1900s. And the propaganda by the media has been Islam wants to kill Christians and take over the world, when in fact that's what the jews TEACH. So Christian's have been under the political government propaganda that muslims have always been bloodthirsty jihadists. Ironically, I have studied under 3 rabbis and they TEACH that Christian's are IDOLATERS and should be EXECUTED, but muslims worship the one true God so can be tolerated. And especially after ww2 and the state of Israel, the government has presented islam as being a bunch of eild terrorists. The whole history if peace between muslims, Christians and Jews is entirely suppressed.
I’ve never seen Jay more focused. He’s presenting facts succinctly and the final questions helped solidify the presentation. Well done! I can’t wait for the next one…
Well done. I can't wait for the next lie.
This was a great summary and overview of the historical problems of the islamic origins.
How can one give a timeline and substantiate it , if the whole thing is made up.
@@allancouceiro9255why bother unless you're a missionary? Nobody stresses out over Hindus.
Jay, greetings from South Africa. Watched many of your videos. This one's on point as usual. Pray our Lord and savior Jesus Christ sustains you for many years to come
What kind of god that dies? Savior? How could he save you when he even cannot save himself? Can you not stand to reason? -11-01-23
@@defenderoftruth3212 I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST:I AM HE THAT LIVETH, AND WAS DEAD;AND, BEHOLD, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, AMEN;AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH!I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING, SAITH THE LORD, WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY!ONLY YESHUA CAN SAVE YOU!GOD BLESS
Great summary Dr. Jay!
God bless you all. Can you guys do a presentation on the chain of narrations? How it works, if all these chain of narrators are good is their confidence in it?
Reply to 14.38
Dear Dr. Jay Smith, I appreciate your engagement with the historical aspects of early Islamic texts. However, it seems there might be a misunderstanding or misconception regarding the compilation of the Sirah and Hadith traditions.
The compilation of the Sirah by Ibn Ishaq and later by Hisham, Bukhari, Muslim and others does not necessarily imply fabrication or imagination. The science of hadith, specifically "Ilm ar-rijal" or the science of men, plays a crucial role in assessing the reliability of narrators.
Ilm ar-rijal involves studying the capacity and moral character of transmitters. Those rated as "trustworthy" (thiqa) possess both moral uprightness (ʿadāla) and competence (ḍābit). The early compilers, like al-Bukhari, Muslim, Trimidhi, al-Nasa'i and many went to great lengths to ensure the integrity of the narrators they included.
Moreover, the companions of the Prophet (ṣaḥāba) were generally considered to possess collective moral integrity, and their accounts were often accepted without individual scrutiny due to their proximity to the Prophet.
The science of hadith, with its rigorous criteria for evaluating narrators, provides a systematic method to sift through the vast body of narrations. This methodology gives scholars confidence in the reliability of the transmitted information. I wonder why you didn't even mention this to your good audience.
While it's valid to consider the time gap between events and the recording of traditions, the meticulous nature of the isnad (chain of narrators) and matn (content) scrutiny ensures that reliable information is transmitted.
It's essential to recognize the scholarly rigor applied to the compilation of Islamic texts, acknowledging the thorough processes in place to preserve the authenticity of the Prophet's teachings. Hope your research continues on the right track. God bless.
The non-historicity of Muhammad is likely the reason why Islam is so protective of his image and character. Because he isn’t real, no one can be allowed to even suggest that he didn’t exist, which would lead to the whole farce come crashing down.
The very fact that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the subject of almost all of the videos of Jay Smith is a clear manifestation of his existence. This hullaballoo of Jay Smith would not have been almost everyday either in CIRA International or in Pfander Films if indeed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not exist. But to his silly shallow thinking, if he could convince the people, which I believe only the Christians would bite it, that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not exist, then there could be a chain-reaction. The Qur'an did not exist too. Islam did not exist too. This is his ulterior and evil motive. This is the work of Satan. Satan is inspiring him to do this. In short, he is the soldier and agent of Satan. And those whom he would be able to convince with would be like him too. And the beautiful reward for this is the raging fire of Hell. -10-30-23
Protective of its image? I don't see that.
Thank you jay more lies you and c.princess tell about Islam the more people in South Africa became a mulim thank again keep with what you doing...❤❤❤
Which more people? Koran is a stupid book. Children stories.
Almost all the translations of Bukhari were and are done by Dr's mainly from Germanic and Yathrib scholars, these Dr's are called IN-DOCTri nation
I've recently listened to the truth behind the emergence Islam. And I have a question for j. What about the Birmingham manuscript? They say it's written between 5 and 600 B. C. But you clearly state the first islamic writings were 200 years after the death of Muhammad. Please explain.
This is 4 pages which were non-Biblical writings from prior to the COMPILATION of the later actual Quran. There is more about manuscripts in Pfander RUclips from Jay Smith.
@@MHMDmeansJesu234Christ They were Quranic writings. Direct passages from the current Quran. The manuscript contains parts of Surahs 19 (Maryam) to 20 (Taha). Which are in the Quran. So what is your point?
May I suggest a book by Nonie Darwish - 2017 “Wholly Different - Why I Chose Biblical Values Over Islamic Values”.
Fantastic book.
Anyone know where I could download his presentation slides?
I would add that the 'byzantine Christians' at the time most likely saw themselves as roman citizens, a part of the one holy catholic church. 'orthodox' Christianity was not an established denomination until the great schism in 1054
Apparently the main tribe in Area of Dhiriya, now known as Saudi , are known as the Ashaab-al-Kalb , from their first Mulk till curent...
I think I'm confused, but I'm not sure.
I guess a major question is...how correct is Guilaume in his translation (what Deutsch to English...is that what Jay means?)
Of course, then, what matters is...Wustenfeld correct in what he compiled to eventually be translated? ( Guillaume)
If so, our western ignorance of Muhammad's life does not mean what was scattered throughout libraries in Germany was wrong. It seems we still cannot not know what about his life is real or not.
How about the dead sea scrolls? I presumed those are written in Aramaic, & Greek which have been subject to scientific scrutiny and being translated in English and found its content compared to the standard bible was not corrupted.
This is intriguing. But then, how do we explain the sunni-shia split? That has beginnings since the death of the prophet and you have people living far and wide who are carrying those histories and narratives and events in their families. If this was a story concocted in the 8th or 9th centuries, how do we explain the presence of these people & communities? As they persist til today...
The slightest research would give you your answer. Once mohammed died, there was the question of who should take over. Done said his family (son?) Should take over and some believed a guy who was a unrelated leader should take over. 2 specific people. Some went with either one guy and some went with the other guy. There you have it. Simple.
@@deborahdean8867 you did not understand the question.
@@heikejohannajahns3257 am into explain why people have beliefs they teach to their children? Its simple, they believe one way is right and the other wrong. That's why it persists.
Great lecture on the history of Islam. I do have a problem with the non existing Muhammed claim. Is it not a really big strech to claim he did not exist in person?
They say the same thing about jesus so I'm not impressed. At least they believe in jesus and that he IS THE messiah too. It's the Jews who literally believe Christians should be EXECUTED FOR IDOLATRY, not the muslims. The Christians and jews have always lived in peace among the muslims up until the establishment of istael anyway. O know you eont believe Jews are the ones who reach and preach the killing of Christians but I've studied under 3 rabbis and I'm telling you it's TRUE. The muslims believe in jesus as the messiah. The jews deny snd mock jesus. This guy should be exposing the REAL enemy of christianity
It is not a stretch. KINGS and RULERS TOLD you the "correct" things you ought to think back at the near-ancient times. And they were picking and choosing historical things that could be changed slightly for their purposes. And rulers influenced and controlled politics and religion and culture.
Thry have found a scroll called the Birmingham scroll that mentions Mohammed in a battle they know happened, so now there IS proof Mohammed existed. I agree, it's rather a stretch to try and claim he never existed. Apparently that's important to the argument against islam as a religion, that mohammed is made up. I know some that's their only argument against Islam. When I say alot of people dont believe jesus existed, like jews and atheists, somehow it doesn't compute with them. Well, that argument is now dead.
This guy doesnt seem to genuinely seek to convert muslims. They already believe in jesus so why argue Mohammed wasnt real? It's superfluous . Plus, this guy said if a Muslim divorces his wife and they want to get back together, the wife must first go to bed with the mullah and be penetrated before going back to the hubby. I don't believe that at all. He is from India, and india can have some strange customs in small villages, but I still don't believe it. Best I can say is maybe he misunderstood the language when he was told that. Anybody who goes about conversion by some academic debate on the customs or history of the religion ia going about it all wrong. His parents were Missionaries and I think he's capitalizing on muslim hate to sell books personally.
From india. Dr. Jay, please read dr. Washington carey's "godman the word made flesh" 1916. Christ is an oil secreted in everbodys pineal gland and not a person.
Satyamev Jayate' - Only Truth wins (In the end).
Unless there is something like carbon dated evidence
to the contrary , How can Islam stand ?
Speaking of carbon-dating, the manuscripts of the Bible are carbon-dated to the 9th century, except for a torn one with the size of a credit card which is carbon-dated to the 3rd century. In other words, the Bible is written long after the Qur'an. -10-30-23
@@defenderoftruth3212 you are so blind for the truth, so sorry for you!May you accept the truth, before is to late!
Sirs, many people said muslim also believe in the old testament. Please will you care to clarify on this
If course they believe in the old testament. They believe in all the prophets like moses, Noah, all of them. They also believe in jesus. Not just that hes a prophet, but that jesus is THE messiah to return and rule the world, not mohammed. And you wont believe it, but the jews believe Christian's should be EXECUTED for idolatry. I've studied under 3 rabbis and they TEACH Christians should be executed and not allowed to have churches or practice. I'm not exaggerating. The muslims however believe that they, Christians and jews all are people of the book, abraham. He's distracting people about Islam but he protects jews who really teach Christian should be killed. Talk about deception of the end times......
know thou (art) Self or re-main RE-LIGIOUS ...
Jesus himself is converting Muslims in their homes....
It’s kinda funny to hear Muslims say something like “Islam respects Jesus”. How do you respect him when you deny everything that make Jesus special, everything that we Christians are all know that he is the LORD and the salvation of mankind. Anyway, we shouldn’t hate them or anyone for that but love them and pray for them. May God bless you all, believer or not. God loves you😊
It's not kinda funny. To the Muslims, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is only a mere prophet of Allah SWT. Him, being the prophet of Allah SWT, Muslims are duty-bound to love and respect. Muslims are duty-bound to love and respect all prophets. That is a command from Allah SWT. So, Muslims love and respect him just as they love and respect Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and all the other prophets. Salvation of the Muslims is on the submission to the will of Allah SWT. And the Muslims believe that Prophet jESUs (pbuh) submits too to the will of Allah SWT. May Allah SWT guide you to the right path. -10-29-23
@@defenderoftruth3212 whatever you say sir. But believing someone to be coward doesn’t sound like respect to me
@@DingoNovember ....
Muslims don't look at Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a coward. As a matter of fact, he is considered as one of the mightiest messengers of Allah SWT. If there is someone who treats him as a coward, it's the writers of his holey biography which they deceptively labeled it as the make-believe gospel in 4 accounts. Hence, Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
In the 4 make-believe gospels, he is being portrayed as a coward preacher. He is hiding in the remote areas of Israel. The subjects of his ministry are poor peasants, poor fishermen, poor carpenters. Hence, his recruits as his apostles and disciples are poor and illiterate who don't know how to read and write.
As he conducted his preaching in the remote areas, he saw to it that his activity will not catch the attention and knowledge of the Roman soldiers. For surely it will ignite the ire of the Roman King. He is too careful that everytime he healed a person, he would ask him not to tell anyone. That is how he feared the Roman empire.
This is what kind of a person he is being portrayed by the gospel writers. A coward person. Is cowardice the primordial attribute of God? -10-30-23
@@defenderoftruth3212 i do appreciate your comment sir but sorry, what you and your book said is not convincing.
@@DingoNovember ....
For your info sir, my comments are based on your Bible, specifically in the 4 make-believe gospels. I suggest you should read what are written on how he conducted his ministry clandestinely in the remote areas in the 4 make-believe gospels. -11-03-23
How I earnestly wish that there is now an ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age.
From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it?
I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -09-23-23
It’s hypothesized that Jesus spoke both Aramaic and Common Greek. Those living under the Roman Empire were pushed to learn their language as well as Common Greek. The New Testament is in Greek. You can find it and read it. I suggest starting from the beginning and learning how it was all compiled and reading the writings of these documents from those around the time as well as reviews by scholars who give input and more chronological and contextual background. Then when you read it in Greek you will understand it better.
@@elfullin ...
The language spoken of by Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as well as the people at that is Aramaic. Thus, the book sent Allah SWT to him is in the language he and the his people knew. Greek is the language spoken in Greece. So it's quite absurd for God to send a book to his prophet not in his language. Had God sent a book not in Aramaic, the people would question Prophet jESUs (pbuh) about what he's preaching.
Before I go further, I would like to ask you if you have read the 4 gospels? If not, read them first and understand what's in it. The 4 gospels are nothing but make-believe gospels. Their contents are nothing but the HOLEY biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) written in 4 accounts. There is not single revelation from God in it. Hence, there is not single word of God in them. Hence, not from God. The original Aramaic Gospel sent by Allah SWT to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is a book, and it is complete by itself. It is a book of guidance to mankind. Hence, it is book of divine laws.
The 4 make-believe gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are deceptively labeled as gospels. The appropriate label should be:
1). Biography of Jesus by Mark;
2). Biography of Jesus by Matthew;
3). Biography of Jesus by Luke;
4). Biography of Jesus by John. -(10-29-23)
@@defenderoftruth3212how do you know Jesus spoke Aramaic? Where does it say that in The Quran? Todays date 12-3-23
Most of the gospel was written in aramaic. That should be easy yo find. The llamas translation of the bible is directly translated from the aramaic.
@@defenderoftruth3212 how can the Injil be Corrupted if that’s Allahs word nobody can change Allah words lol. Read chapter 3 verse 55 of your false Quran it states that the believers of Jesus will be upper most against the disbelievers until the last day of judgment. Which means the followers of Jesus have the true meaning and message of the Bible. Otherwise you can believe in the contradiction in the Quran that says Jesus followers will be higher and beat all false people. Only two questions for you was the Injil corrupted before or after Mohamed’s time? And the second question is who are The predominant followers of Jesus that we have today it’s called Christianity they follow the Bible. Do some research and you will find more evidence that the Quran is a false book.
Dr. Jay Smith hammers Islam. Why would a Muslim use him to undermine the bibel? That's ignorant. Watch some of his videos and you'll understand. The practice of taking a small sample from a video out of context is so stupid.
They are not of Ismael (A.S)
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians.
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for?
Sources (to name a few):
1. Islam vs. Christianity
2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives?
3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -10-28-23
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for?
Sources (to name a few):
1. Islam vs. Christianity
2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives?
3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -10-03-23
You lot good at destroying Islam, but there no trinity in Christian bible, why is that? If believe Christian trinity, your making Christian faith a pagan Christianity?
Jay u can put ur head on the block nothing will stop the rise of islam
The internet is the biggest threat to islam.
Thats why apostasy levels are rising rapidly.
Christ is waiting my brother.
Nothing will stop those who will believe in lies
@@DefenderOfChrist_ ...
Wait for the Day when you'll be facing Allah SWT. And on that Day, you'll cry to let Him give you a second chance to go back to earth so that you could submit to Him. But bad news for you. You cannot go back to earth again. You only live once on earth. But you can die many times in Hell. Sorry for you. The believers of Allah SWT will live forever in Paradise with all the luxuries in life. But in Hell, the boiling water is your bath which would scald your whole body. Your food, it's awful and odorous. But you'll eat it because it's your prize. What a prize indeed! "Where are you, my lord, Jesus?" But Prophet jESUs (pbuh) will never give a blink on you. For you defied his teachings. He taught you to worship his God. But you worship him instead. -10-30-23
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How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Even though it is against his will and contrary to his teachings, he was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it.
The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries.
Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity.
Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism.
Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!!
To get further information on how Christianity and “Jesus” are invented in Rome, see the video with the title:
THE CAESAR’S MESSIAH. -10-30-23
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians.
Sources (to name a few):
1. Islam vs. Christianity
2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives?
3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -09-29-23
these christian missionaries get paid
to mislead the Christians about
Islam May Allah protect the muslim
against these people
Jay Smith just want to help Muslim to understand your fake prophet,
We love you brother.
Please, defendyourkoran in truth
It is because of politics. Zionism has been taught in the west since early 1900s. And the propaganda by the media has been Islam wants to kill Christians and take over the world, when in fact that's what the jews TEACH. So Christian's have been under the political government propaganda that muslims have always been bloodthirsty jihadists. Ironically, I have studied under 3 rabbis and they TEACH that Christian's are IDOLATERS and should be EXECUTED, but muslims worship the one true God so can be tolerated. And especially after ww2 and the state of Israel, the government has presented islam as being a bunch of eild terrorists. The whole history if peace between muslims, Christians and Jews is entirely suppressed.