Airplanes Collided MIDAIR | Cessna Skywagon and Cessna Skylark
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2024
- 13 JUN 2018
A Cessna 207 registration N91038 and a Cessna 175 registration
N9423B, collided midair while in cruise flight in day visual meteorological conditions. Both airplanes were operating under visual flight rules, and neither airplane was in communication with an air traffic control facility.
The Cessna 175 pilot stated that he was making position reports during cruise flight about 1,000ft above mean sea level when he established contact with the pilot of another airplane, which was passing in the opposite direction. As he watched that airplane pass well below him, he noticed the shadow of a second airplane converging with the shadow of his airplane from the opposite direction. He looked forward and saw the spinner of the converging airplane in his windscreen and immediately pulled aft on the control
yoke; the airplanes subsequently collided.
The Cessna 207 descended uncontrolled into the river.
Although damaged, the Cessna 175 continued to fly, and the pilot proceeded to an airport and landed safely.
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For anyone wondering the pilot in the downed aircraft in the water did not survive. This was June 13 2018 Anchorage Alaska.
Landing in the dirt (or any soft field) may seem like a logical plan when you lose gear. But the asphalt will allow better slide and keep the broken parts from digging in and forcing a more dramatic loss of control. Always go for the asphalt.
That's what I was just telling my wife
Rip to that downed pilot. That 2nd aircraft is so lucky to have made it out alive. Scary stuff
Lakewood tower says "we are going to coordinate and have you land at Anchorage". I have news for the tower. In an emergency this pilot can land anywhere he wants to. Only the pilot knows exactly what his situation is.
Did he declare an emergency?
I believe he did.@@yesode4201
@@yesode4201 I never heard an emergency declaration in this video audio.
Though listening to what ATC offers can be useful. ATC was offering a better runway that was closer to rescue services.
CRM, ATC is part of it.
Hind sight I know but I probably would’ve taken PANC runway 15, couple miles of wide pavement.
True! As a pilot myself I'm gonna land anywhere I need to.
At least ATC came back and put the decision of where to land with the pilot again.
In a declared emergency it is always pilots discretion. You can put the airplane anywhere you need to.
But dont tell ATC that, lol.
Wow ! The well known cessna skylark.
Ooh I guess I popped on at the right time.
Hearing these two guy's voices, knowing one of them would soon die was bone chilling.
did the other aircraft ever have radio coms with anyone after the accident?
The pilot flying 23B survived. The guy that got killed is not talking to the tower.
Your graphic has the wrong airfield. Lake Hood is due east of ANC's runway 33, runway 32 lakehood is at 61.184243, -149.962860, and is a dirt strip.
I think that the tower was less than helpful to the C.185. They should have just let him come in and land immediately. It sounded like the plane had structural or engine damage over and above the damaged landing gear and the priority, I think, was to get it down safely above all other considerations.
Beautiful day to go flying - Damn That sucked .
Screw the orbit. I’m coming in
Ant thought given by 23B and tower about SAR for the pilot in the drink?
Get him on the ground.he has damage.orbit? What the hell.and he is very busy.shut up and let him land.thats ridiculous
I'm sure ATC was trying to be helpful but he's not the one flying that pile of parts, "can you circle the field or go somewhere else? NO!!
Great video but your animation to the runway was inaccurate, he landed the gravel strip, not international
Its was not international. It was interterrestial instead.
He means Anchorage International. The guy that made the video doesn’t know the call point (ball park) and where 32-14 is at Hood.
Sincere apologies!
WOW! The tower confirms what the pilot told them, that his left main gear is missing. Doesn't the tower know that that is a Cessna, high wing, aircraft, and the left gear is right outside the window on the pilot's side. If the pilot says that the left main gear is missing, you can be assured that THE LEFT MAIN GEAR IS MISSING!
Tower may have been confirming that the left main was not only missing, but also not attached and dangling below the aircraft, which the pilot would not be able to see. If the gear had still been partially attached, it could have changed what the pilot decided to do next. More info, even if it's only confirmation from another perspective, is rarely a bad thing.
Could have been other damage pilot was not aware of.
ATC was buying time for the ARFF trucks to come over from the neighboring International Airport. The aircraft actually landed on the dirt strip to the east of the lake.
You could hear ATC tell the pilot what he could not see: the right gear was attached *but not straight*.
@@jefish Obviously you have never flown a Cessna, I have. The left gear, strut, and wheel are all fully visible by just looking out the side window and down.
A C 207 is more like a Stationair. Not Skywagon. Title wrong.
Just keep looking at that iPad. Don't take your eyes off it. Fiddle with the AP a little. Sec where is my GoPro pointing?
Too many heads down these days fixated on their pads.
May not be the case in this one.
Hopeully they got out of the dunked one.
The pilot in the splashed aircraft did not survive.
@@danevannett3804 Thanks. Sad one.
I agree, pilots get the bright screens and are looking at them more than outside, your eyes go to the device. Alaska has a lot of traffic
As a law time pilot of only 2 years, I'm suprised how many private pilots are flying around with no ads b in and a forflight or comparable iPad app.
I dont know if this is the case bit seems likely.
Too many mid air collisions from private pilot planes in GA.
No excuse these days.
I've avoided several collisions from my forflight app with a sentry. Especially in hawaii where I got my licence, flying coastal lines along side tour helicopters.
One has to be an idiot to fly without these apps
adsb out wasn't required in 2018
I almost only fly planes without ADS-B. Just mode S. Lot of the fleets here are old and pre 1980.
I do have a SkyEcho device for receiving ADS-B, but I'm by law prohibited to send out ADS-B from a portable device.
I used to fly skydivers in a T207 in Colorado. N92807
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Geez...tower just let the guy land. Inspection is not nessesarry. Tower did terrible. Just let the pilot land no fly over no Inspection just land. He just hit another airplane mid air
I was thinking the exact same thing. That plane could start coming apart at any moment. I would have TOLD the tower I'm coming straight in, and they would have had the opportunity to assist me if they wanted to or watched me if they didn't. This was completely unacceptable behavior from ATC and the pilot (although I can cut him lots of slack because of his situation) should have immediately declined their stupid request.
Generally speaking, in this type of situation (an emergency), there is no *"let"* the pilot land. It's about, what does the pilot want to do, feel he/she needs to do.
If I've declared an emergency, I'm not talking to ATC to get permission or clearance for anything, I'm talking to them in order to let them know the way it's going to be, what I'll be doing, so they can help to make it happen by getting other aircraft out of my way, or whatever needs to be done. That situation is about me, and any passengers I may have onboard. Obviously, as always, I'll be working with ATC for the best possible outcome, but *I* know what I need to do, and make no mistake, I will be doing it, as long as it's not creating another dangerous situation, of course. That may sound rude, but decisions have to be made, and sometimes you may not have a lot of time to make them.
Look at *'The Flight on the Hudson.'* Captain Sully Sullenberger had literally seconds to make a decision, and he (correctly) decided to land a very expensive airplane in the Hudson River. ATC gave him clearance for multiple runways at LaGuardia, but he very quickly realized he couldn't make any of them, and Teterboro cleared him for runway 1, but he also realized it would be just too close of a call. Ultimately, he made the decision to go into the Hudson. Obviously, Sullenberger wasn't asking for ATC clearance to go into the river, nor was he calling US Airways (his employer) for permission. He knew what had to be done, he told ATC what he was going to do, and he did it.
Later, it was determined that (theoretically) Sullenberger would have been able to make Teterboro. However, when multiple pilots tried it in a simulator, almost none could do it. Things just happened too quickly, and with almost no altitude. Sully knew the river was right there and trusted his skill and decades of experience to be able to put the plane down safely. What could have been a major air disaster turned into an amazing story, a great movie (85% on Rotten Tomatoes lol), and even a museum where people can see the downed aircraft.
Although, I didn't hear the pilot in this story speak the 'magic' phrase, _"I'm declaring an emergency,"_ this, of course, would have been treated as an emergency, by default. Sullenberger too, never said, _"I'm declaring an emergency,"_ but when you have two engines and lose both of them, it's generally understood you have an emergency. Therefore, even though ATC will make recommendations and give options in an attempt to help the pilot, if you listen to these emergency situations, you'll notice the controller will always be asking, _"What do _*_you_*_ want to do? What are _*_your_*_ intentions? Do _*_you_*_ need anything? What can we do to help(?),"_ etc.
In the case of Cactus 1549, Sullenberger's flight, the excellent controllers did everything possible to help him quickly. Ultimately telling him that Newark was also 7 miles away, which, honestly, wouldn't have even been a remote possibility, but the controllers tried everything to help. Sullenberger's last radio transmission was - _"We'll be in the Hudson."_ Although there were reportedly (5) serious injuries, the flight could have very easily ended with *ZERO* survivors.
It's all about the aircraft in distress and accommodating the pilot in command to (hopefully) land his/her airplane safely.
Also, according to FAA Regulations - 'In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command *may deviate from any rule* of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.' First-and-foremost, it's about safety. If a pilot has done something that leaves the authorities scratching their heads, then the pilot may have some explaining to do......but on the ground.
Honestly, I'm not really sure what could have been gained by doing a "fly-over" in this case. It sounded as though the pilot had assessed his situation, obviously knew he was missing one main landing gear, and understandably just wanted to get on the ground ASAP. I believe I would have been anxious to go ahead and get the plane on the ground, also. Especially after encountering whatever vibration the pilot experienced.
@@MyTube4UtooEven with an emergency, you are required subsequent to the incident to explain your actions. Flying into an airport, it is reasonable to communicate as ATC will be trying to divert traffic, ensure the runway(s) are clear and that emergency services are ready as appropriate. There is an implicit understanding that a pilot will do what is necessary to safely conclude a flight. As for the fly-over, the tower identified damage to the undercarriage that was not visible to the pilot; of course the pilot does not have to conduct a fly-by, however the tower is, in essence, offering a service to help the pilot. In any emergency the niceties are abbreviated as all parties understand their role.
As for Sully, he was already in a dialogue with the tower when he lost both engines and he notified them within the context of that dialogue. Otherwise a mayday from the first office would've been appropriate. However, in all situations a pilot's first responsibility is to continue flying the aircraft safely. Sully absolutely did the right thing. I have only called pan-pan once in my flying career and that was also an engine emergency. However, in my case I had plenty of time (altitude) and the call served both to alert ATC and other traffic that I could not hold altitude. I was able to divert and make a safe, uneventful landing.
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