Seriously though, the fact this series has gone on for almost 10 years and we STILL don’t know who possesses Golden Freddy is actually kinda insane. Into The Pit will definitely confirm who it is though.
I agree with a couple things you say but... Cassidy being the Altered Text? Altered Text is an entity that interacts with Faded Text through altering existent text. They have many interactions that connects them with BV, such as "the party was for you", to what Altered says "It was for me", Altered says "It's me", and... just... Faded text literally asks Altered if the FREDBEAR PLUSH still talks to them! How can Cassidy be Altered text if CassidyVictim isn't true!? Was it a mistake? Because this is VERY contradicting if you don't believe CassidyVictim. As for the rest of the video, I agree. I do believe ShatterVictim, but not GoldenDuo itself. Great video!
The "the party was for you" line is seen on the happiest day page, and Fnaf 3's files state that the golden Freddy kid in happiest day is the 5th MCI kid, aka not BV, also Altered ignores the fredbear plush question, showing that it doesn't tie to them
@@tomkubus the happiest day page says “what is your name” not “the party was for you” (I show it in my video on the log book if you don’t believe me). For some of altered text’s answers it’s not clear which question he is answering. “I can hear sounds” could be a response to “does he still talk to you”. Even if he doesn’t answer that question, there’s no reading of “does he still talk to you” that doesn’t imply altered text is BV. Same with all the questions about toys. Not answering it doesn’t imply he isn’t BV. It just implies he can’t remember. Because the dead forget (it’s said again and again in this series). The logbook is one of the few times Scott actually made something clear.
I think it is two because in ultimate custom night you can hear two voices talking when you get killed by golden Freddy but I also can understand why it would make sense to have only one
great video but there are a few misinterpretations. no 1 is a small one but people say the Stitchwraith mirrors Golden Freddy because Golden Freddy is described as the 'vengeful spirit' and andrew, one of the kids inside the stitchwraith is a vengeful spirit. whether or not its true or right or whatever is someone else's argument but just in case you were wondering, thats why people say they mirror. secondly, and more importantly, the main piece of evidence for goldenduo isnt the 2 lights image. in fact that doesnt really matter at all. that image doesnt exist and goldenduo is still probably correct. no1, the survival logbook exists and no2, the mci has 5 victims (1 for each animatronic including golden freddy) and the bite victim Also possesses golden freddy (as shown by happiest day being mirrored fnaf 4.) therefore using simple math, 1+1, 2 spirits are in golden freddy. the image was just a neat thing, a flourish people put in their videos to be like 'look guys it was in front of us the whoole time!' but take it out and nothing changes. i actually agree with you and always have thats there is very clearly only 1 light there, but it doesnt change the fact that there is a mountain of evidence proving there are 2 spirits in golden freddy, from all the stuff you laid out, to the fact that around the release of the logbook, frights came out and confirmed that 2 spirits can possess the same thing to all the imagery going forward. but still, as I said this was a very good and well made video so dont be discouraged by my (hopefully not too mean sounding) comment
So here’s what I think. I always had a problem with EvanBearCC (F.N.A.F.4 C.C) being Fredbear since 2015. He doesn’t like the animatronics, he expresses his fear, especially in the Chomp of 83 mini-game. Why would he possess it when he doesn’t like them? And F.N.A.F.1 already established that there were five missing kids, and five animatronics (not counting Endo 01), so they all have to have to be possessed by the five missing kids. Now I don’t discredit the idea since the Happiest Day minigame looks like a parallel with the Chomp of 83 minigame’s map layout. Also there are pieces from other minigames that might have been part of EvanBearCC’s memories, The Shadow Puppet from Mangle’s minigame which matches his sitting crying sprite. Toy Chica represents the toy that a girl had outside of a playground. FredBear’s Family Diner which EvanBearCC died at. RXQ/ShadowToyBonnie which there were shadows of the two Fredbear animatronic casts. Now that’s my issue, F.N.A.F.3’s give cake minigames might have been retroactively been made to be EvanBearCC’s Happiest Day, and it might have been retconned to where he was FredBear. But my issue is that 1. Scott never said he had retconned that, and 2. Scott said he has only retconned the series once, which is apparently seamless, or something like that? I think Cassidy IS Fredbear, but not EvanBearCC. Who he possesses, he might not have possessed anything. The most likely would’ve been Fredbear but I don’t believe that as I explained. (6:59) This was one of my problems with GoldenDuo theory, it adds nothing to the lore, or has no impact on it whatsoever. I don’t want to be cynical, but it feels like it was made to fit things together, a clean answer. Who possesses who? Is it EvanBearCC who possesses Fredbear? or Cassidy? Why not both? And I get it, StichWraith and other things have done this officially, but to me, it doesn’t add anything. (7:26) I agree that the first game established that five kids possess the five animatronics! (8:07) Also agreed! (8:19) I agree with that too! It was never said, Fredbear has always been portrayed with having one spirit.
Where are you getting the name Evan from? That’s the only part I’m confused on your comment. If it’s from the log book, the means of getting that are not the same for each letter making it either not intended or poorly intended.
@@AlienRino I know it’s not official, but it’s a joke on EvanTubeHD. Evan made a joke on that in Game Theory’s video about the topic. I came up with it, Evan, and Bear since he’s associate with Fredbear. And CC which is Crying Child. So EvanBearCC. Again, I know Evan isn’t an official name. But I’ll still call him that cause of this joke.
GoldenDuo is correct in some way, this however assuming if ShatterVictim and MoltenMCI alter-s is true but would also include soul splitting. After all the Freddy’s memorabilia is burnt in the Fazbear Frights location, the crying child is forced to manifest the remaining parts of him. Molten Freddy and golden freddy. So his soul would be split between them. This would chronologically explain the survival logbook conversation and the FNaF movie drawing with the Cassidy head. A misconception most GoldenDuo believers do is place the crying child as first to possess golden freddy but in factuality it’s actually Cassidy first in 1985 and then bite victim after FNaF 3 2015-2019.
I'd have to say CC is the vengeful spirit. 'He's here and always watching, the one you shouldn't have killed.' add into to that the flatline after William Afton promises to put him back together and it answers itself, like Scott himself said the story should back in the day. Afton killed CC by removing his life support. This leaves him broken and formless exactly as described in UCN. He also seemed to take his brother's apology to heart so seeing Mike's memories of suffering post SL would have triggered his anger squarely at William Afton. Not ONLY did he suffer at the hands of Afton but in the years after his siblings and friends too. That would be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. But that's just my lonely theory. Mike gets remnant in SL that's canon and proven by blueprints in ffps. It's just who's remnant he got splashed with that is the sticky question.
@@WitheredCircle Agree. A vengeful soul, judging by Fazbear Frights, behaves in a similar way as Eleanor. Eleanor creates "nightmares" or something like that solely with the help of agony in StichlineStingers. That's probably how agony works. Judging by the behavior of Golden Freddy, he is full of agony and hatred to send this to UCN. CC, apart from CassidyVictim, there has never been so much agony at death to be a vengeful spirit Plus, William never killed CC (under WillUCN). "The one YOU shouldn't have killed," not by "YOUR creations," but by your HANDS And I would not say that Afton somehow interfered with CC's death, however, he probably would not have found out, since after death he was lost and scared, not angry. William manipulated him even after his death, his son is too weak to see any evil in his father's figure
@@TengryEmily1982 CC directly parallels both Jake and Andrew of the stitchwraith. Parallels are the same answer as being delivered by different means inside different canons. He has one's death but (by different means) and the abandonment issues of the other. Agony grows in Andrew from abandonment. He also makes clear when he kills the scientist that built the Stitchwraith that he CANNOT control his agony emissions. 'The one you should not have killed' in Fnaf games is the ONLY known victim of William Afton to have died WITHOUT forming a possession of an animatronic. CC dies because Afton pulls their life support when they are in recovery in hospital. The hospital Easter eggs in Fnaf 4 point to this person being not ready to die. The end cutscene of Fnaf 4 specifically points out that the one who talks to him through his Fredbear plush is to blame for both his decline and death. Mike is cut off when apologising by this individual and things rapidly decline. The boy's plushies fade out of his memories making him sad, then the voice gives him a promise that makes his eyes produce waterfalls of tears BEFORE a flat line plays and he dies. This boy is relegated to the background of his own story. He dies abandoned and struggling in agony to grasp at memories of himself ALL BECAUSE of William Afton. He has more than enough agony in this narrative state as it is presented to keep himself functioning purely as an agony construct as he has NO means to connect to a happiest day, he's abandoned WITHOUT any happiness to cling to and his remains have not been directly canonically recovered in universe further stymieing him from moving on. Agony is a emotional constructed material in the books, a material made from suffering alone. The boy meets the criteria of becoming an agony construct which is why the puppet seemingly wants to help him in UCN. He's the last unhappy soul connected to William Afton. Meaning for the story to end he must move on. He isn't strong in remnant regard, but is strong in agony, it's all he actually has.
@@WitheredCircle If you are referring to the idea of him possessing the toy animatronics then yes. He is too weak to control a group through REMNANT means. But canonically in Fnaf 2 the toys are possessed by proxy. Phone guy states the toys got parts from the withereds, which were the suits the MCI victims ended up in. Give gifts, give life proves that one. The Withereds were originally intended to be revamped with technology used in the toys but this failed Fazbear's evaluation so the withereds were relegated to being spare parts for the toys. This proves the MCI control both the withereds and the toys. Because in universe 'The spirit follows the flesh' and in some cases the metal tainted by the flesh. Fazbear's employees had to know there was something wrong with the withereds when salvaging them. Either they ignored it or purposely turned a blind eye under direction to do so. CC is left in the background to fester in the darkness in Fnaf 4. This means he doesn't need to possess a machine at all he just needs means to see. Looking through both his father's eyes and his brother's eyes given they keep coming back to locations associated with him and soaking up the agony of these places while doing so would give him those means. The darkness Golden Freddy travels into in UCN is the same as the one CC is relegated to in Fnaf 4. Meaning that possibly he has these individuals in his world rather than invading theirs. But again that's my Stand Alone theory, NO bearing on proving or disproving others. Just an idea nothing more.
@@AloneTheorist Dude, I'm not going to fight you. WDYM saying that Andrew and Jake are the same parallel to CC? They even have certain differences in their continuity. Andrew is a vengeful spirit, while Jake wants to free souls, like Charlie. In your interpretation, BV has no meaning to be both the role of Charlie and a vengeful Spirit, it is not shown anywhere. The fact that CC was "abandoned" also makes no sense, since in parallel Andrew says in plain text that he has no friends. CC has a (rather false) Plushbear friend figure, like Jake Simon. Jake is not angry, Andrew is angry. Your interpretation with Andrew as BV "he couldn't control his agony" collapses on the fact that Stitchwrait doesn't have to be the same as the Golden Freddy/soul in him, since he does figure in UCN. In Stitchwrait, there was also the agony of William himself, or part of his control over Andrew, which killed the scientist, and not Andrew himself. In UCN's interpretation, it turns out that William uses BV's agony against himself. It's stupid. I do not know what you mean when you say that TOYSNHK is not possessed by anyone. Again, FredbearCoin and the final cutscene gives counter questions. BV 100% has no connection with Fredbear/Golden Freddy in this case. Even if he needs to be a TOYSNHK, he has to be a bear, since he appears in this form to OMC, not a crying childr, bear. I still don't see the point in William being around CC literally without being Plushbear, even taking him home. Being a WillPlush with BVExperiment, he literally wants to PUT IT TOGETHER in order to return the experimental son as his laboratory rat, why would he turn off the life support device for no reason? The "squeak of the device" does not mean that someone intentionally disconnected it from the life support device. His heart stopped, he's dead already, it doesn't matter how many hours/days he spent in a coma, if he didn't die right away. It still makes MikeBro guilty of killing him, it's his prank. In the FNAF4 mini-games, you can see a Foxy toy with its head torn off. This may show that CC hates his brother, not father. Easter eggs don't say in any way that he wasn't ready to die. He didn't even know it, he's constantly scared and crying. He's in a coma, how can he do anything other than hear. Again, how can he know that it was his father who turned off the security apparatus and killed him, or that he was there at all, if his last memory before the coma/death was probably Michael, FoxyBro who killed him. But then again, he doesn't follow anyone, I'll tell you about it later. In the film, Mike is an exact parallel to MikeBro. Garrett is not following William, but his brother. The last counterargument I can highlight is that in the inverted TOYSNHK face sprite, the child has clearly BLUE eyes, while the sprite in FNaF 4 and the art from the encyclopedia shows that he has BLACK/BROWN eyes and constantly appearing with a sad/tearful face, but not with a smile. It is also possible to have blonde hair, which BV has never had Also in the film, William's death was watched by the soul of Golden Freddy, not Garrett, if he's vengeful towards William. He absolutely does not appear anywhere in FNaF 1 or in Follow Me. In the Logbook, the direct altered text says that it is more suitable for the character of CC to death that he is scared. He can't see. How can he follow his father and know him if he simply does not see? Also, the last thing he could see before the "squeak of the device" was his disappearing friend Fredbear, not William, neither Springbonnie, nor Springtrap. His friend. In FNaF World and Happiest Day, there is a certain clear "story" that the party was for him, pieces are in place. If he got free, then why is he still at UCN, as with CassidyReceiver?
9:11 Although I don’t necessarily believe in this theory, I do think we should ask “Why is Golden Freddy’s head missing in the good ending of FNAF 3?”. I think it’s because Golden Freddy’s story isn’t over, and there is still a spirit in him, just like how Springtrap survives the fire. These two souls that live on then make their way to UCN and the eternal hell William faces.
I forgor to mention that this is independent of GoldenDuo. CC’s spirit could’ve lived on as just that, or maybe possessed in something else. But despite CC, who has a connection to Fredbear and feels happy representing himself as such, has been freed in the Good Ending, the real soul in Golden Freddy, is stuck.
Very good theory and I like the way you tried to resolve the issues with goldenduo in most games. I just think you brushed past fnaf world too quickly since: 1. It is canon. Scott stated in an interview he’s regretted making fnaf world canon thus it’s still canon. Never has he claimed that it’s decanonized. 2. I think it has the greatest evidence in the games that Scott make the happiest day kid crying child instead of Cassidy. And also thus the greatest need for goldenduo as a theory. I don’t think CC’s soul getting freed at the end of the clock ending makes sense since the game explicitly tells us that the events of the clock ending were only to set up“the pieces” in “the pieces are in place for you”. The clock ending doesn’t free a soul, it only sets up the pieces for happiest day. Secondly why is it for sure CC and not Cassidy that we are setting up happiest day for in the clock ending? That’s answered really clearly in what yellow eyes says at the beginning of the game and after the clock ending. His dialogue is almost identical to the final lines heard by CC before he dies. “I will put you back together” at the beginning of the game, and “We are still your friends”, “do you still believe that?”, “the pieces are in place for you”, “find them”. These can only make sense if spoken to CC and also if the recipient of happiest day is CC.
The end part isn't really true, yellow eyes says that to the player character, implying we play as BV and set up the happiest day for the golden Freddy kid, and we know from the files that golden Freddy kid is an MCI kid, along with that a happiest day is someone giving their memory to free someone else, it wouldn't make sense for someone to give a memory of fredbear's to BV when BV is the one associated with fredbear's
@@tomkubus I will put YOU back together, we are still YOUR friends, and as such the pieces are in place for YOU. YOU being CC, and the pieces being the happiest day minigames being set up for YOU. It doesn’t get more clear and explicit than this. The character we play as during fnaf world gameplay is not the same character who yellow eyes is talking to. One is setting up happiest day and the other is CC who they are setting up happiest day for.
@@molamola9723 yellow eyes tells us that we have to help "him" and the pieces are in place for us and we have to find them, which should alone confirm CC is not happiest day kid, CC not being happiest day kid is also confirmed in fnaf 3 and the fact that stichwraith stingers tell us that Happiest day can't be your own memory, meaning since Happiest day is CC's memory he can't get freed by it
@@tomkubus you’re mixing up what yellow eyes says to us in the cutscene with what glitched bear says to the player during the game. Yellow eyes and glitch bear might be the same character but that doesn’t really matter here cause I just explained to you. Who yellow eyes is speaking to in the cutscenes is NOT who we play as during the game hence it works out perfectly: - yellow eyes talks to YOU, again the pieces are in place for YOU. YOU being the crying child since the lines spoken to YOU are the exact same during the fnaf4 ending. Yellow eyes wants to put YOU back together, and how does he put YOU back together? He has the player character set up happiest day. That’s what he says don’t get it mixed up. - glitchbear asks us to help HIM. HIM being mostly likely the crying child who is the YOU during the yellow eyes cutscenes. HIM and YOU are the same character. Who yellow eyes talks to is different from who glitch bear is talking to. It’s very simple.
Bro, I totally agree now. before I was mostly leaning towards Golden Uno but this theory has made me completely believe it (also there is a error with the video in the end)
I think that William killed Cassidy by stuffing him(her) in golden Freddy. And the springlock failed I think that happened cuz in the movie chica just like William lured Abby and then tried to stuff her. And ucn 50/20 cutscene I think is michel showing William what he’s done. And it would make sense for Cassidy to scare him into the suit like he stuffed her years ago. But it’s just a theory.
I don't like when people use the books to make sense of the games because there's characters in the books that aren't in the games, like Andrew. The games are their own universe, in fact possibly multiple universes because of the way Scott lengthened the story after 3 and then again after 4
I disagree. Into The Pit has changed quite a lot and TalesGames is almost definitely the case now and FrightsGames as well. Also why would there be multiple games universes?
I don't know how Charlotte possessed the puppet without being inside the animatronic, maybe something similar could have happened with CC, somehow he could have linked his soul to the suit (although it is surely Cassidy who possesses golden freddy)
@@WitheredCircle not to mention CC didnt actually die in fredbear, it just caused his death. Charolette and Cassidy had the ability to guide souls into vessels like the DCI, while the MCi kids did it themselves being actually put in the suits
Tho how do ya feel about shattervictim which is basically cc but his remnant/memories are scattered in the animatronics or souls and that fits with the line I put you back together and mixes with the fourth closet book lore
I disagree with fact that Cassidy is Altered, YOU have to find her name in the wordsearch through hints and most of those are from Faded. Anyways, Good video! To me, GoldenDuo is one of those theories where I'm not sure if it's true or false, but I would be indiferent no matter the answer. I'm still defending my GoldenDuo homies tho. But nah, let's be real now, GoldenInfinito is the truth. Also, at 5:30, my dear Sir, he's Boy #5, get it right smh🙄
The fact that the Official Ultimate Freddy Files book states each animatronic has one eye lit up in the head image in Fnaf 3 is surely the only proof we need?
I mean we cant really base it of books but with way remnant work there is a chance that the crying child posseses him as the puppet didnt need charlie inside her for charlie to posses him unliie fredbear which litteraly springlocked the crying child and from what we know getting springlocked is bassicaly a garantee to possesing that animatronic and in fnaf 1 when the kids werent inside the suit they still possesed the animatronics so we just need to know how remnant works to figure out if he posses the animatronic or not
Charlotte was still making physical contact with the puppet, which is basically the same thing as being stuffed inside, also BV wasn't springlocked, and neither were the mck
@@xhacknight that's not how springlock's work, there has to be a person inside the suit for it to be in suit mode and it can't be on the stage, both of those mean it can't by suit mode and therefore it can't be a springlock failure
Your existence seemed pretty weak, it was more "I don't think this works" instead of "this couldn't work" and Bonnie's eye shines as bright as G Freddy yet it's light only reaches to one socket
@@xhacknight technically it's unconfirmed, the faded text in the logbook matches the puppet pretty well and the puppet/Henry's daughter isn't named in the games, so it's still possible
I lay out my thoughts on the log book in a video on my channel, so I won't repeat it here. The only thing that makes me consider GoldenDuo is that if Cassidy and CC are talking in the logbook (and they are), but CC isn't in GF, then where is CC's spirit? How is he communicating in the log book? What is the special relationship between cc and cassidy that produces the logbook dialogue? If he's just wandering around unattached to an animatronic, how does he keep saying it's me? It all makes the idea that either CC and Cassidy are the same, or they are both in GF, very tempting even if it creates new questions.
Your point of crying child dying first doesn’t work because if a spirit doesn’t know they died because they havent seen there body they would wonder and not know what was going on and that’s why he wouldn’t know where he was like he says in the log book just like the book where the dead kid wandered around and didn’t know he was dead also your point of him being in the hospital doesn’t mean he couldn’t have possessed the suit after he died by his father in a last ditch effort trying to put his son back together and had no other way so he had him posses golden freddy
Also the stitch wraith being compared to the puppet doesn’t mean anything because it could still apply for golden Freddy in the games because Scott very clearly uses ideas from the games and mixes them up which he definitely could of wrote the idea he had for 2 characters together
@@WitheredCircle FNAF 6 FUN (family portrait) poster, Happiest Day, The Week Before, Midnight Motorist animatronic footprints. No theory can make me believe that David Afton isnt inside Golden Freddy.
I believe golden Freddy has two spirits because in the Stitchery Andrew and Jake are having a conversation with each other and it’s parallel to the logbook so that’s what I think
@@EmotianalBrat it's ok. are you asking for yourself or for my own opinion? unlike a lot of other theorists my thoughts on the franchise change very quickly, so it can be confusing for some people watching my slightly older videos.
Cassidy is the princess golden Freddy golden Freddy cassidy princess quest there red king old man old man Consequences giving golden Freddy cassidy princess the golden sword to battle fight against glitchtrap burntrap william in princess quest game
On the golden freddy-stitchwraith thing if golden freddy is possesed by 2 souls the stitchwraith does not paralel golden freddy because it contains 3 souls Jake, Andrew AND William
@@WitheredCircle im curious. I will say that my thought process isn't super fleshed out. I have always thought golden duo was odd, and the movie seems to very heavily imply that he is cc. him, William, and vanessa are the only blonde characters in the movie, and I so not think that was a coincidence
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i didnt understand anything you said you are an idiot and i think dual proccees theory is canon
Seriously though, the fact this series has gone on for almost 10 years and we STILL don’t know who possesses Golden Freddy is actually kinda insane. Into The Pit will definitely confirm who it is though.
I agree! The game might confirm who, probably?
@@azimuddin1890 I’d be more surprised if it didn’t
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I mean, yee, how could it not?
@@azimuddin1890Because it’s based off a non-canon book.
@@horrorboyhonorboy727 we don't know if the book is non canon
I agree with a couple things you say but... Cassidy being the Altered Text?
Altered Text is an entity that interacts with Faded Text through altering existent text. They have many interactions that connects them with BV, such as "the party was for you", to what Altered says "It was for me", Altered says "It's me", and... just... Faded text literally asks Altered if the FREDBEAR PLUSH still talks to them! How can Cassidy be Altered text if CassidyVictim isn't true!?
Was it a mistake? Because this is VERY contradicting if you don't believe CassidyVictim.
As for the rest of the video, I agree. I do believe ShatterVictim, but not GoldenDuo itself. Great video!
crap should have done more research thanks though
The "the party was for you" line is seen on the happiest day page, and Fnaf 3's files state that the golden Freddy kid in happiest day is the 5th MCI kid, aka not BV, also Altered ignores the fredbear plush question, showing that it doesn't tie to them
@@tomkubus the happiest day page says “what is your name” not “the party was for you” (I show it in my video on the log book if you don’t believe me). For some of altered text’s answers it’s not clear which question he is answering. “I can hear sounds” could be a response to “does he still talk to you”. Even if he doesn’t answer that question, there’s no reading of “does he still talk to you” that doesn’t imply altered text is BV. Same with all the questions about toys. Not answering it doesn’t imply he isn’t BV. It just implies he can’t remember. Because the dead forget (it’s said again and again in this series). The logbook is one of the few times Scott actually made something clear.
I think it is two because in ultimate custom night you can hear two voices talking when you get killed by golden Freddy but I also can understand why it would make sense to have only one
great video but there are a few misinterpretations. no 1 is a small one but people say the Stitchwraith mirrors Golden Freddy because Golden Freddy is described as the 'vengeful spirit' and andrew, one of the kids inside the stitchwraith is a vengeful spirit. whether or not its true or right or whatever is someone else's argument but just in case you were wondering, thats why people say they mirror. secondly, and more importantly, the main piece of evidence for goldenduo isnt the 2 lights image. in fact that doesnt really matter at all. that image doesnt exist and goldenduo is still probably correct. no1, the survival logbook exists and no2, the mci has 5 victims (1 for each animatronic including golden freddy) and the bite victim Also possesses golden freddy (as shown by happiest day being mirrored fnaf 4.) therefore using simple math, 1+1, 2 spirits are in golden freddy. the image was just a neat thing, a flourish people put in their videos to be like 'look guys it was in front of us the whoole time!' but take it out and nothing changes. i actually agree with you and always have thats there is very clearly only 1 light there, but it doesnt change the fact that there is a mountain of evidence proving there are 2 spirits in golden freddy, from all the stuff you laid out, to the fact that around the release of the logbook, frights came out and confirmed that 2 spirits can possess the same thing to all the imagery going forward. but still, as I said this was a very good and well made video so dont be discouraged by my (hopefully not too mean sounding) comment
So here’s what I think. I always had a problem with EvanBearCC (F.N.A.F.4 C.C) being Fredbear since 2015. He doesn’t like the animatronics, he expresses his fear, especially in the Chomp of 83 mini-game. Why would he possess it when he doesn’t like them? And F.N.A.F.1 already established that there were five missing kids, and five animatronics (not counting Endo 01), so they all have to have to be possessed by the five missing kids.
Now I don’t discredit the idea since the Happiest Day minigame looks like a parallel with the Chomp of 83 minigame’s map layout. Also there are pieces from other minigames that might have been part of EvanBearCC’s memories, The Shadow Puppet from Mangle’s minigame which matches his sitting crying sprite. Toy Chica represents the toy that a girl had outside of a playground. FredBear’s Family Diner which EvanBearCC died at. RXQ/ShadowToyBonnie which there were shadows of the two Fredbear animatronic casts.
Now that’s my issue, F.N.A.F.3’s give cake minigames might have been retroactively been made to be EvanBearCC’s Happiest Day, and it might have been retconned to where he was FredBear. But my issue is that 1. Scott never said he had retconned that, and 2. Scott said he has only retconned the series once, which is apparently seamless, or something like that?
I think Cassidy IS Fredbear, but not EvanBearCC. Who he possesses, he might not have possessed anything. The most likely would’ve been Fredbear but I don’t believe that as I explained.
(6:59) This was one of my problems with GoldenDuo theory, it adds nothing to the lore, or has no impact on it whatsoever. I don’t want to be cynical, but it feels like it was made to fit things together, a clean answer. Who possesses who? Is it EvanBearCC who possesses Fredbear? or Cassidy? Why not both? And I get it, StichWraith and other things have done this officially, but to me, it doesn’t add anything.
(7:26) I agree that the first game established that five kids possess the five animatronics!
(8:07) Also agreed!
(8:19) I agree with that too! It was never said, Fredbear has always been portrayed with having one spirit.
Where are you getting the name Evan from? That’s the only part I’m confused on your comment. If it’s from the log book, the means of getting that are not the same for each letter making it either not intended or poorly intended.
@@AlienRino
I know it’s not official, but it’s a joke on EvanTubeHD. Evan made a joke on that in Game Theory’s video about the topic. I came up with it, Evan, and Bear since he’s associate with Fredbear. And CC which is Crying Child. So EvanBearCC. Again, I know Evan isn’t an official name. But I’ll still call him that cause of this joke.
@@azimuddin1890 ahh okay, thank you for the clarification :)
@@AlienRino
You’re welcome. Also what do you think of the joke?
I've never liked the Golden Duo theory, so thank you for making this video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
GoldenDuo is correct in some way, this however assuming if ShatterVictim and MoltenMCI alter-s is true but would also include soul splitting.
After all the Freddy’s memorabilia is burnt in the Fazbear Frights location, the crying child is forced to manifest the remaining parts of him. Molten Freddy and golden freddy. So his soul would be split between them. This would chronologically explain the survival logbook conversation and the FNaF movie drawing with the Cassidy head. A misconception most GoldenDuo believers do is place the crying child as first to possess golden freddy but in factuality it’s actually Cassidy first in 1985 and then bite victim after FNaF 3 2015-2019.
I'd have to say CC is the vengeful spirit. 'He's here and always watching, the one you shouldn't have killed.' add into to that the flatline after William Afton promises to put him back together and it answers itself, like Scott himself said the story should back in the day. Afton killed CC by removing his life support. This leaves him broken and formless exactly as described in UCN. He also seemed to take his brother's apology to heart so seeing Mike's memories of suffering post SL would have triggered his anger squarely at William Afton. Not ONLY did he suffer at the hands of Afton but in the years after his siblings and friends too. That would be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. But that's just my lonely theory. Mike gets remnant in SL that's canon and proven by blueprints in ffps. It's just who's remnant he got splashed with that is the sticky question.
I think his soul is too weak to be the TOYSNHK
@@WitheredCircle Agree.
A vengeful soul, judging by Fazbear Frights, behaves in a similar way as Eleanor. Eleanor creates "nightmares" or something like that solely with the help of agony in StichlineStingers. That's probably how agony works. Judging by the behavior of Golden Freddy, he is full of agony and hatred to send this to UCN. CC, apart from CassidyVictim, there has never been so much agony at death to be a vengeful spirit
Plus, William never killed CC (under WillUCN). "The one YOU shouldn't have killed," not by "YOUR creations," but by your HANDS
And I would not say that Afton somehow interfered with CC's death, however, he probably would not have found out, since after death he was lost and scared, not angry. William manipulated him even after his death, his son is too weak to see any evil in his father's figure
@@TengryEmily1982 CC directly parallels both Jake and Andrew of the stitchwraith. Parallels are the same answer as being delivered by different means inside different canons. He has one's death but (by different means) and the abandonment issues of the other. Agony grows in Andrew from abandonment. He also makes clear when he kills the scientist that built the Stitchwraith that he CANNOT control his agony emissions. 'The one you should not have killed' in Fnaf games is the ONLY known victim of William Afton to have died WITHOUT forming a possession of an animatronic. CC dies because Afton pulls their life support when they are in recovery in hospital. The hospital Easter eggs in Fnaf 4 point to this person being not ready to die. The end cutscene of Fnaf 4 specifically points out that the one who talks to him through his Fredbear plush is to blame for both his decline and death. Mike is cut off when apologising by this individual and things rapidly decline. The boy's plushies fade out of his memories making him sad, then the voice gives him a promise that makes his eyes produce waterfalls of tears BEFORE a flat line plays and he dies. This boy is relegated to the background of his own story. He dies abandoned and struggling in agony to grasp at memories of himself ALL BECAUSE of William Afton. He has more than enough agony in this narrative state as it is presented to keep himself functioning purely as an agony construct as he has NO means to connect to a happiest day, he's abandoned WITHOUT any happiness to cling to and his remains have not been directly canonically recovered in universe further stymieing him from moving on. Agony is a emotional constructed material in the books, a material made from suffering alone. The boy meets the criteria of becoming an agony construct which is why the puppet seemingly wants to help him in UCN. He's the last unhappy soul connected to William Afton. Meaning for the story to end he must move on. He isn't strong in remnant regard, but is strong in agony, it's all he actually has.
@@WitheredCircle If you are referring to the idea of him possessing the toy animatronics then yes. He is too weak to control a group through REMNANT means. But canonically in Fnaf 2 the toys are possessed by proxy. Phone guy states the toys got parts from the withereds, which were the suits the MCI victims ended up in. Give gifts, give life proves that one. The Withereds were originally intended to be revamped with technology used in the toys but this failed Fazbear's evaluation so the withereds were relegated to being spare parts for the toys. This proves the MCI control both the withereds and the toys. Because in universe 'The spirit follows the flesh' and in some cases the metal tainted by the flesh. Fazbear's employees had to know there was something wrong with the withereds when salvaging them. Either they ignored it or purposely turned a blind eye under direction to do so. CC is left in the background to fester in the darkness in Fnaf 4. This means he doesn't need to possess a machine at all he just needs means to see. Looking through both his father's eyes and his brother's eyes given they keep coming back to locations associated with him and soaking up the agony of these places while doing so would give him those means. The darkness Golden Freddy travels into in UCN is the same as the one CC is relegated to in Fnaf 4. Meaning that possibly he has these individuals in his world rather than invading theirs. But again that's my Stand Alone theory, NO bearing on proving or disproving others. Just an idea nothing more.
@@AloneTheorist Dude, I'm not going to fight you. WDYM saying that Andrew and Jake are the same parallel to CC? They even have certain differences in their continuity. Andrew is a vengeful spirit, while Jake wants to free souls, like Charlie. In your interpretation, BV has no meaning to be both the role of Charlie and a vengeful Spirit, it is not shown anywhere. The fact that CC was "abandoned" also makes no sense, since in parallel Andrew says in plain text that he has no friends. CC has a (rather false) Plushbear friend figure, like Jake Simon. Jake is not angry, Andrew is angry. Your interpretation with Andrew as BV "he couldn't control his agony" collapses on the fact that Stitchwrait doesn't have to be the same as the Golden Freddy/soul in him, since he does figure in UCN. In Stitchwrait, there was also the agony of William himself, or part of his control over Andrew, which killed the scientist, and not Andrew himself. In UCN's interpretation, it turns out that William uses BV's agony against himself. It's stupid. I do not know what you mean when you say that TOYSNHK is not possessed by anyone. Again, FredbearCoin and the final cutscene gives counter questions. BV 100% has no connection with Fredbear/Golden Freddy in this case. Even if he needs to be a TOYSNHK, he has to be a bear, since he appears in this form to OMC, not a crying childr, bear. I still don't see the point in William being around CC literally without being Plushbear, even taking him home. Being a WillPlush with BVExperiment, he literally wants to PUT IT TOGETHER in order to return the experimental son as his laboratory rat, why would he turn off the life support device for no reason? The "squeak of the device" does not mean that someone intentionally disconnected it from the life support device. His heart stopped, he's dead already, it doesn't matter how many hours/days he spent in a coma, if he didn't die right away. It still makes MikeBro guilty of killing him, it's his prank. In the FNAF4 mini-games, you can see a Foxy toy with its head torn off. This may show that CC hates his brother, not father. Easter eggs don't say in any way that he wasn't ready to die. He didn't even know it, he's constantly scared and crying. He's in a coma, how can he do anything other than hear. Again, how can he know that it was his father who turned off the security apparatus and killed him, or that he was there at all, if his last memory before the coma/death was probably Michael, FoxyBro who killed him. But then again, he doesn't follow anyone, I'll tell you about it later.
In the film, Mike is an exact parallel to MikeBro. Garrett is not following William, but his brother.
The last counterargument I can highlight is that in the inverted TOYSNHK face sprite, the child has clearly BLUE eyes, while the sprite in FNaF 4 and the art from the encyclopedia shows that he has BLACK/BROWN eyes and constantly appearing with a sad/tearful face, but not with a smile. It is also possible to have blonde hair, which BV has never had
Also in the film, William's death was watched by the soul of Golden Freddy, not Garrett, if he's vengeful towards William. He absolutely does not appear anywhere in FNaF 1 or in Follow Me. In the Logbook, the direct altered text says that it is more suitable for the character of CC to death that he is scared. He can't see. How can he follow his father and know him if he simply does not see? Also, the last thing he could see before the "squeak of the device" was his disappearing friend Fredbear, not William, neither Springbonnie, nor Springtrap. His friend. In FNaF World and Happiest Day, there is a certain clear "story" that the party was for him, pieces are in place. If he got free, then why is he still at UCN, as with CassidyReceiver?
9:11 Although I don’t necessarily believe in this theory, I do think we should ask “Why is Golden Freddy’s head missing in the good ending of FNAF 3?”. I think it’s because Golden Freddy’s story isn’t over, and there is still a spirit in him, just like how Springtrap survives the fire. These two souls that live on then make their way to UCN and the eternal hell William faces.
I forgor to mention that this is independent of GoldenDuo. CC’s spirit could’ve lived on as just that, or maybe possessed in something else. But despite CC, who has a connection to Fredbear and feels happy representing himself as such, has been freed in the Good Ending, the real soul in Golden Freddy, is stuck.
Very good theory and I like the way you tried to resolve the issues with goldenduo in most games. I just think you brushed past fnaf world too quickly since:
1. It is canon. Scott stated in an interview he’s regretted making fnaf world canon thus it’s still canon. Never has he claimed that it’s decanonized.
2. I think it has the greatest evidence in the games that Scott make the happiest day kid crying child instead of Cassidy. And also thus the greatest need for goldenduo as a theory.
I don’t think CC’s soul getting freed at the end of the clock ending makes sense since the game explicitly tells us that the events of the clock ending were only to set up“the pieces” in “the pieces are in place for you”. The clock ending doesn’t free a soul, it only sets up the pieces for happiest day.
Secondly why is it for sure CC and not Cassidy that we are setting up happiest day for in the clock ending? That’s answered really clearly in what yellow eyes says at the beginning of the game and after the clock ending. His dialogue is almost identical to the final lines heard by CC before he dies. “I will put you back together” at the beginning of the game, and “We are still your friends”, “do you still believe that?”, “the pieces are in place for you”, “find them”. These can only make sense if spoken to CC and also if the recipient of happiest day is CC.
The end part isn't really true, yellow eyes says that to the player character, implying we play as BV and set up the happiest day for the golden Freddy kid, and we know from the files that golden Freddy kid is an MCI kid, along with that a happiest day is someone giving their memory to free someone else, it wouldn't make sense for someone to give a memory of fredbear's to BV when BV is the one associated with fredbear's
@@tomkubus I will put YOU back together, we are still YOUR friends, and as such the pieces are in place for YOU. YOU being CC, and the pieces being the happiest day minigames being set up for YOU. It doesn’t get more clear and explicit than this.
The character we play as during fnaf world gameplay is not the same character who yellow eyes is talking to. One is setting up happiest day and the other is CC who they are setting up happiest day for.
@@molamola9723 yellow eyes tells us that we have to help "him" and the pieces are in place for us and we have to find them, which should alone confirm CC is not happiest day kid, CC not being happiest day kid is also confirmed in fnaf 3 and the fact that stichwraith stingers tell us that Happiest day can't be your own memory, meaning since Happiest day is CC's memory he can't get freed by it
@@tomkubus you’re mixing up what yellow eyes says to us in the cutscene with what glitched bear says to the player during the game. Yellow eyes and glitch bear might be the same character but that doesn’t really matter here cause I just explained to you. Who yellow eyes is speaking to in the cutscenes is NOT who we play as during the game hence it works out perfectly:
- yellow eyes talks to YOU, again the pieces are in place for YOU. YOU being the crying child since the lines spoken to YOU are the exact same during the fnaf4 ending. Yellow eyes wants to put YOU back together, and how does he put YOU back together? He has the player character set up happiest day. That’s what he says don’t get it mixed up.
- glitchbear asks us to help HIM. HIM being mostly likely the crying child who is the YOU during the yellow eyes cutscenes. HIM and YOU are the same character.
Who yellow eyes talks to is different from who glitch bear is talking to. It’s very simple.
Bro, I totally agree now. before I was mostly leaning towards Golden Uno but this theory has made me completely believe it (also there is a error with the video in the end)
wait what
nvm I found it I forgot to take it out
@@WitheredCircle lol, np
I’m gonna give my opinion, so now I just want to say...
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Hello there!
General Kenobi, you are a bold one
@@azimuddin1890 Pretty sure he says "kill him" to the B1's after that but idk
I think that William killed Cassidy by stuffing him(her) in golden Freddy. And the springlock failed I think that happened cuz in the movie chica just like William lured Abby and then tried to stuff her. And ucn 50/20 cutscene I think is michel showing William what he’s done. And it would make sense for Cassidy to scare him into the suit like he stuffed her years ago. But it’s just a theory.
I don't like when people use the books to make sense of the games because there's characters in the books that aren't in the games, like Andrew. The games are their own universe, in fact possibly multiple universes because of the way Scott lengthened the story after 3 and then again after 4
I disagree.
Into The Pit has changed quite a lot and TalesGames is almost definitely the case now and FrightsGames as well.
Also why would there be multiple games universes?
I don't know how Charlotte possessed the puppet without being inside the animatronic, maybe something similar could have happened with CC, somehow he could have linked his soul to the suit (although it is surely Cassidy who possesses golden freddy)
yeah but Charlie was dead right next to the Puppet while CC was instantly taken out from there
@@WitheredCircle not to mention CC didnt actually die in fredbear, it just caused his death. Charolette and Cassidy had the ability to guide souls into vessels like the DCI, while the MCi kids did it themselves being actually put in the suits
Tho how do ya feel about shattervictim which is basically cc but his remnant/memories are scattered in the animatronics or souls and that fits with the line I put you back together and mixes with the fourth closet book lore
I like it, I wanna make a vid on it soon
I disagree with fact that Cassidy is Altered, YOU have to find her name in the wordsearch through hints and most of those are from Faded.
Anyways, Good video! To me, GoldenDuo is one of those theories where I'm not sure if it's true or false, but I would be indiferent no matter the answer. I'm still defending my GoldenDuo homies tho.
But nah, let's be real now, GoldenInfinito is the truth.
Also, at 5:30, my dear Sir, he's Boy #5, get it right smh🙄
erm akshuarly there's only 4 male MCI victims the female one is Susie 🤓
@@WitheredCircle Aight then, Kid #5
and Boy #4
The fact that the Official Ultimate Freddy Files book states each animatronic has one eye lit up in the head image in Fnaf 3 is surely the only proof we need?
thats fair
I mean we cant really base it of books but with way remnant work there is a chance that the crying child posseses him as the puppet didnt need charlie inside her for charlie to posses him unliie fredbear which litteraly springlocked the crying child and from what we know getting springlocked is bassicaly a garantee to possesing that animatronic and in fnaf 1 when the kids werent inside the suit they still possesed the animatronics so we just need to know how remnant works to figure out if he posses the animatronic or not
Charlotte was still making physical contact with the puppet, which is basically the same thing as being stuffed inside, also BV wasn't springlocked, and neither were the mck
@tomkubus the fredbear suit is made with springlocks crying child moving and crying triggered the springlocks to activate and crush his frontal lobe
@tomkubus the crying child also had physical content he was inside the mouth of Fred bear as he died there was qhysiqal contact between them
@@xhacknight that's not how springlock's work, there has to be a person inside the suit for it to be in suit mode and it can't be on the stage, both of those mean it can't by suit mode and therefore it can't be a springlock failure
@@xhacknight he wasn't, Crying child was in a hospital miles away when he died
Your existence seemed pretty weak, it was more "I don't think this works" instead of "this couldn't work" and Bonnie's eye shines as bright as G Freddy yet it's light only reaches to one socket
Freddy's eye reflects the same way as G Freddy's
How can CassidyVictim be true when Cassidy is The Puppet?
Talbert Files lore
@@zetorocks811 she doesn't posses the puppet that's not true
@@xhacknight technically it's unconfirmed, the faded text in the logbook matches the puppet pretty well and the puppet/Henry's daughter isn't named in the games, so it's still possible
@@tomkubus what about the grave stones
Nah, Cassidy is William's sister
I lay out my thoughts on the log book in a video on my channel, so I won't repeat it here. The only thing that makes me consider GoldenDuo is that if Cassidy and CC are talking in the logbook (and they are), but CC isn't in GF, then where is CC's spirit? How is he communicating in the log book? What is the special relationship between cc and cassidy that produces the logbook dialogue?
If he's just wandering around unattached to an animatronic, how does he keep saying it's me? It all makes the idea that either CC and Cassidy are the same, or they are both in GF, very tempting even if it creates new questions.
Maybe CC follow Michael or the Golden Freddy figure as a trusted figure, similar to his plush toy?
Your point of crying child dying first doesn’t work because if a spirit doesn’t know they died because they havent seen there body they would wonder and not know what was going on and that’s why he wouldn’t know where he was like he says in the log book just like the book where the dead kid wandered around and didn’t know he was dead also your point of him being in the hospital doesn’t mean he couldn’t have possessed the suit after he died by his father in a last ditch effort trying to put his son back together and had no other way so he had him posses golden freddy
Also the stitch wraith being compared to the puppet doesn’t mean anything because it could still apply for golden Freddy in the games because Scott very clearly uses ideas from the games and mixes them up which he definitely could of wrote the idea he had for 2 characters together
It’s me being just one of the kids make so sense as him saying oh it’s me one of the kids your father killed
Yeah but BV's death/fatal injury was SUPER public, he'd probably know what happened
So your pretty mutch saying cc doesn’t possess golden Freddy only Cassidy?
yes
Ok that makes sense actually
@@WitheredCircle FNAF 6 FUN (family portrait) poster, Happiest Day, The Week Before, Midnight Motorist animatronic footprints. No theory can make me believe that David Afton isnt inside Golden Freddy.
Yay new vid
and the vengeful spirit doesn't posses golden freddy
Wondering if u could explain this a bit more 🙏
@@pepesarmpit we can activate him at any time
and the characters says that "he's always watching"
@@Wizardjones69 I'm still confused
@@pepesarmpit "leave the demon to his demons" doesn't really mean let afton go to hell
it would mean leave afton to andrew/ucnroster
@@Wizardjones69 alright I kinda get it now
W Video
I believe golden Freddy has two spirits because in the
Stitchery Andrew and Jake are having a conversation with each other and it’s parallel to the logbook so that’s what I think
well I explained why I think that doesn't mean Golden Freddy is possessed but you're allowed to have your opinion!
@@WitheredCircleI personally choose to think they'res two souls because that means more dead kids
What would evidence would u use against the Andrew TOYSHK ?
none because I believe it
@@WitheredCircle oh my bad!
@@EmotianalBrat it's ok. are you asking for yourself or for my own opinion?
unlike a lot of other theorists my thoughts on the franchise change very quickly, so it can be confusing for some people watching my slightly older videos.
I think Midnight Motorist is Crying Child’s kidnapping, so there may be a chance. I can explain if you’re interested to hear me out.
Cassidy is the princess golden Freddy golden Freddy cassidy princess quest there red king old man old man Consequences giving golden Freddy cassidy princess the golden sword to battle fight against glitchtrap burntrap william in princess quest game
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On the golden freddy-stitchwraith thing if golden freddy is possesed by 2 souls the stitchwraith does not paralel golden freddy because it contains 3 souls Jake, Andrew AND William
The Stichwraith doesn't contain William, he goes into The Agony/Miscreation
@@WitheredCircle he did go in the agony but prior to that he was in the stitchwraith and he actually killed people
i feel like cassidy and cc are one and the same
I disagree for many reasons that I won't say unless you want me to, but you're allowed to have your own opinion.
@@WitheredCircle im curious. I will say that my thought process isn't super fleshed out. I have always thought golden duo was odd, and the movie seems to very heavily imply that he is cc. him, William, and vanessa are the only blonde characters in the movie, and I so not think that was a coincidence
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