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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2013
- Dave checks out the Manfrotto 396B 3-section double articulated arm to see if it's suitable for his bench video camera work. Also, the Manfrotto 035 super clamp and the 237HD heavy duty flex arm.
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Oh and just in case anyone is interested, the the first double arm mount can be tipped up the other way so it swivels instead of locking into one position.....just flip the whole unit up the other way.
Dave Jones Lately I've been using 3 cameras, starting them all up at the same time. When I get done, import to computer, make a multi cam clip - which auto-syncs the video for you, then I simply watch the clip, clicking on the camera angle that I want to use at the correct time in the video. Shooting and editing time is greatly reduced. I use Final Cut Pro on Mac, but I'm sure there is multi cam support in the software you use.
mount the sliding mechanism sideways so it slides from right to left, not in and out and then clamp the flex arm to it so you have the left/right reach with the slider and the in/out reach from the flex arm. Not sure how rigid the sliding mechanism is, but I suppose it'd work if you already planned to use it for the in/out movement anyways
The flex arm... wow! I've seen them but I didn't think they would hold position with a digital camera on them! You may use it as a secondary camera. .. but thanks to your video. It will become my main one. Suits my needs anyway!
Thank you Dave!
Do it like the cooking shows. Put a 45 degree mirror behind or beside the work and film the mirror.
Exactly what I needed to know. Thank you
Funny, I've owned a magic arm with superclamps and an HD flex arm for over a decade, using it for still camera lighting. But I never considered using it for video.... I would have to swap the ballhead or get another lighter ballhead. It's worth some thought....
I don't know if you've ever used one, but you probably want to get yourself a sand bag or several. If you throw one over the spreaders of a video tripod (or hang one from the hook of a stills tripod), you'll be amazed at the difference it makes to stability. The difference is enormous, particularly with lightweight tripods like yours. If you want to hang an arm or gooseneck from a tripod, this is the magic solution also to not having everything want to fall over because the camera is outside the centre of gravity. Sandbags are used all the time in the film industry -- they are one of the least talked about but most useful gadgets on any set. :-)
Interesting idea, might look into that, thanks. Mine has no hook though, so would need to rig something.
You could use a Dentist lamp style arm and mount the camera on its end. They are usually quite stable while being very maneuverable at the same time.
Plus you get a very bright lamp with them :D
196AB-2, 196AB-3, 396AB-2, 396AB-3, 237, 237HD, are lighting support arms mainly as is written on the package, but can be used with camera as well.
Thank you for making and sharing this video. Very useful info here. I had very similar problem, though my work space is tighter and more peculiar than yours, and the camera is heavier. I must have watched this video at least five times, pondering whether that three piece arm would work. Decided I'd have the same issue with it as you mentioned, of not being able to move it in different angles. In the end I bought the 'Magic Arm', also by manfrotto. I am mightily impressed, as the wheel to tighten it tightens every moving part all at once, and the angles it can achieve it truly brilliant. Genius piece of kit. If you're still looking for further improvements, I'd recommend it. I clamp mine to the vertical part of a mic boom stand, and once you take into consideration the length of the super clamp, the post, and the sliding attachment at the end, it's a very usable length. Anyway, apologies for the essay, but you helped me with this video and thought I'd offer my solution back.
That flex arm towards the end of the video looks pretty slick.
Some pretty cool kit. I built a similar articulating arm (though not nearly as sturdy) for my bench out of an old lamp arm, but not having a camera or computer at the moment doesn't help much...
Another (cheap) option for you would be to use a C stand (with a nice big sandbag holding it down) with an extension arm on it, and a grip head with a spud to 1/4-20 (or 3/8-16) adapter to a ball head. This will be extremely stable, even if just because a C stand probably weighs 5 times as much as your lightweight tripod. Probably a pretty cheap option (C stand + 2 grip heads + 5/8th x 3 foot arm + spud adapter + ball head) and perfectly adequate for your little cameras.
I don't think anything will beat the mount that robrenz made - DIY ARTICULATED MAGNETIC CAMERA MOUNT
That flex arm on a "tv arm" wallmount should be a good combo. And you have the wall for stability, those shelves look mighty wobbly.
Great review Dave cant wait for a new mailbag Monday video
There's a company called NOGA, they sell a articulated arms that uses ball joints and one knob to tighten it. I use them as a General Machinist for dial indicators and can be adjusted for any position.
Hi Dave, actually that magical solution does exist, it's called a helper or camera man. I'm a spanish student (telecomunications) and I love your videos, I learn a lot with them. If I were living "closer" to you I wouldn't mind to lend you a hand.
If you still have that clamp look at the magic arm. I know this is 7 years later but you may want to try that.
Reviewing manfrotto photography gear while wearing a shirt with one of Ansel Adams most famous photographs printed on - nice attention to detail :)
I know this is an old video and you've likely solved this, but several machinist v-blogers are using noga indicator holders as camera mounts. 6 axis of movement with one locking knob.
Hate to tell you but your best solution would be either a robotic camera head system (can be picked up used on eBay) or multiple cameras so you can just have an inexpensive overhead hd camera that stays in place pre focused on a spot on your bench for your down shots. Then keep using the tripod for frontal shots and your microscope for real close ups.
i do not think you would be able to have two in series, the length is likely at its max and lengthening it would result in problems, perhaps mount the flexible arm to the clamp arm?
The magic arm is nice, we use them at work to hold monitors in front of studio cameras. However, it requires a lot of torque to lock it. That's no problem for super Dave, but it is difficult to maintain a precise shot while locking. Once locked, you can't do minor adjustments without unlocking it.
I just found out that Mafrotto makes a Magic Arm with a variable friction lock knob instead of the all-or-nothing cam locking lever which I have used.
we use superclamps and magic-arms in work, both super stable and plenty of articulation, but i don't think the magic arm is as long as that 3 section one you have there.
Noga makes some amazing dial indicator holders with single multi-joint locking mechanisms. If someone made something like that but much larger....
skip to 4:30 if you don't want to watch a recap
Bless you.
High-Techi-Techie stuff there Dave. Nice work as usual. We all now come to expect this level of professionalism in your videos. Keep up the good work and you will keep your loyal following!!! Cheers!!!
I was about to suggest a Magic Arm, coming from professional film production. It also doesn't allow 'smooth' moves, you'll need a dolly system for that, but it should be fairly quick and easy to just reposition your camera. It also might not be as stable as possibly though, but it should be better than that flexible arm. Certainly a good one to try out at least, and if it doesn't work, you can still use it for a million other things, I've often attached microphones to them.
I have pretty much every mount known to man......I work in the TV industry, and I can tell you without question, these or any mount are only as good as how well and wobble free the mount to the bench or whatever you are mounting to is........the other thing is, get the camera further away and use the lens to get it close......closer to the mounting point the camera is, the more rigid the shot is
I've seen several machinists that use a Noga indicator holder for their camera on youtube, and it does appear to give good results. They are expensive and you need something for the magnet to grab onto, but they use a single knob to lock everything. May be worth a look to get rid of the tripod in the way
Check out snake clamp, I got one works good for holding stuff like a third arm hand.
I think you'll really like the magic arm. I've used it a lot - the single locking lever is great. Do you have a B&H photo there(or the like)? It's a great place to test drive stuff. Manfrotto has a huge collect of stuff to get camera into a tight spot.
You need several large electromagnets located around your shooting area and then affix a large rare earth magnet on your camera. Then build a control for energizing the electromagnets to position the camera. You could do a tear down of an MRI and use some parts out of it! Probably need a hard hat. Keep up the excellent work mate!
Saga continues
Magic-Arm all the way. We use them all the time in "proper" tv studios. Not usually for positioning cameras though, most broadcast cameras are wayyyy to heavy.
Check out the Manfrotto 244N Variable Friction Magic Arm. Very configurable / locks Solid. Works with the super clamp.
Get a symbol stand for a drum kit and put a camera mount on the end. Those things are built like tanks and you can get all sorts of angles. They are solid but perhaps aren't quick enough to change position, dunno, might work.
Use the super-clamp sideways on the shaft on top of the tripod?? Tripod Shaft > Super-Clamp > Flex-Arm > Joystick Mount(optional)> Camera :oD
You need a Quadcopter with a camera Dave! floating in thin air.
Haha, just kidding. The flexible neck is a great idea :)
Soon 555 videos, I wonder what that video will be about ;)
Just pick up a Manfrotto magic arm and a super clamp. You should be able to transfer that tripod head over, or get a simple camera clamp.
Maybe (for the locking in place of the sliding mechanism) you can use a screw, wich goes through the whole moving thing, and on one side of the screw a handle, so you can tighten it easy, and on the other side of the screw a peace of floor protector, that pushes against the workbench when you tighten the screw... Just a taught
Why not get a motorized jib and gimbal, then have Sagan handle the camera movement while you work on the products :)
Have you tried the new sky hook camera mounts? lol
Have you tried the magic arm then?
why the hell are we all so exited about Daves new video-setup sytem?
I don't need such a system.
so why the hell is it still interesting??
funny LOL
Will you be able to do panning shots like MKBHD does ?
Dave, check out Tama music/mic stands . . .
You need to get a slit lamp arm and attach a camera mount to it. It will lock in place, not move and can move on all 3 axis.
Is that a lego set in the background left?
Isn't the issue with the longer arms that they are more susceptible to being less stable?
Whoooaaahhh Joystick Mount
7:50 looks really wobbly..
I would like use the Manfrotto 035 super clamp and the 237HD heavy duty flex arm with an Ipad Air for making videos over a table. Do you know if it will support the weight of the Ipad with the adaptor? Which is the weight of your Canon camera with the base for screwing? Thank you so much!
its a shame that the 3 piece arm didn't come with a ball joint base, i also wonder if a 2 piece arm would not be noticeable stiffer.
Thank you for this video did you ever figure it out and fixed it? why I ask I am trying to table photography of jewelry with over head shots with one hand and arm I have trouble holding and working everything at one time and the tripod and horizontal arm\ on it s not working well for me either and the magic arm I was going to buy glad I saw this video first.. I need it to turn and rotate pivot if you ever figure it out please let us know .. would love to see the video
Hey Dave, why not just clamp the base to the tripod Neck so you can attach the bendy arm to the tripod? that should fix it.
So funny, I was only thinking yesterday about your previous video where you were talking about camera mounting solutions and today there is a new EEVBlog video about it !
Lots of opinions about alternative mounting options here already so I might as well throw one in the pot too !
What about head mounted GoPro ? I don't know what you could use for a monitor but there must be a solution, then you would be completely hands free and tripod free (at least for some shots), just a suggestion.
Really? How would the camera be steady using this setup?
They are perfectly steady enough when used in outdoor sports such as Downhill Mountain Biking, so why wouldn't it be steady enough in a workshop ?
How I can use two webcams for chat one for shows the repair, and other to show your face. What software I can use to switch cameras in Skype?
Where do you buy manfrotto in Australia
Since you like the flexible arm maybe have a look at flexible coolant hoses? Loc-Line is one brand and they come in a variety of sizes and has tons of different connectors and accessories so you can build just about anything with them. Just do a google image search for "Loc-Line" and you'll see what I mean. As it happens I just ordered some cheap knock off of the stuff from china last night to build a holder for a soldering light :) Hopefully it'll be as rigid as the real stuff.
Which tripod are you using in this video?
Sorry Dave, but I'm confused why you were/are concerned about how ridged the 3 way articulating arm is when, even as you proved, the tripod is just as ridged when it comes to panning, etc.
Personally, I'd recommend to you to stop going for the cheap option (yes, I know manfrotto is expensive). The Manfrotto options you are looking at are the 'domestic' range, you should have a closer look at the professional gear.
Dave: you are an electronics guy, get a used industrial robot, mount the camera on it and use a voice control or something to position it. I stumbled over a small FANUC spot welder without controller 1000bux
Hi Dave,
i think, you need an intelligent and flying Camerarobot :)
Greets from Germany
Markus
A gopher (or is that a gaffer?) might be cheaper :)
Jokingly I thought the overly technical version. A multi ball-join arm with two handles at the head. One for the camera and the other which when grabbed release solenoids which stiffen the joints. :P
Same here, except we could use cables for the release (think bicycle breaks). Could we be on to something?....
Maybe... Would be quite the bulky setup. But hey when you got a plethora of requirements sometimes simple doesn't work! Heh.
I wonder who was on the telephone...
You could mount a real linear bearing under the bench that would be a lot more stable than the cheap slide you have now...search eBay...
2 x SBR16-1150mm 16MM FULLY SUPPORTED LINEAR RAIL SHAFT + 4 SBR16UU Block
Take a look at the magic arm...
How come there was no mention of NASA-like articulating arm made by ROBRENZ? Come on... in the video he even mentioned he designed it in response to the original Dave video. It is a bit over-engineered (like all his stuff..), but involves super-rigid carbon tubes and purpose made ball-joins - it is pretty awsome imho (link: DIY ARTICULATED MAGNETIC CAMERA MOUNT)
QUAD COPTER!!!!!
How'd you get rid of their noise?
Buy an industrial robot arm (motoman, kuka .etc) and put a camera on it :)
I doubt the floor in his office is strong enough to mount one on. The geek group put a camera on their kuka robot though.
rocketman221projects Yah we have one on our motomans. We also have some small mobile mitsubishi arms that would work
EEVblog Are you going to sell the arm? Possibly on eBay? I've decided on a camera and I'd love to get somethign like this for it
The three way arm, that is
Labs looking a bit cluttered there Dave. Time to take some things back to the dumpster? Maybe its the mail bag stuff stacking up or even both? Lol
Unlokia is quick
Perhaps throw a Glidegear DEV 1000 (www.glidegear.net/glidegear-dev-1000-dslr-video-track-slider-with-phone-adapter-p-35.html) on top of the tripod and then put the flex arm on top of that.
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Go for a simple idea - train a small child to hold the camera for you.
Return it. It doesn't quite cut it.
For the ball joint problem look into the Bessy BVVB, this thing is AMAZING. I use it as a tripod for my phone.
www.amazon.com/Bessey-BVVB-Vacuum-Base-Vise/dp/B0057PUR88
Wow this guy can talk 3 minuets in I clicked away
dave, we miss your videos, you are a bit less productive this last month. why?
buy a HD hero and mount it on your head :)
just put the clamp on the manfrotto pole...
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could have been 1 minute long max
Share your projects on the Sub-Reddit, www.reddit.com/r/electronics, Lots of people there would enjoy your content.
look at bosh rexroth and build it your way all the good toys to. slides that lock and much much more good stuff you dream it thy have it
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excellent as always . I just uploaded a new video please check it out on an fully adjustable articulated camera arm and a quick release mount for a dslr camera.
m( Take a Manfrotto 190 and your problem is gone..