Will the 2030 ban & dash to electric cars spell the end for classics in UK?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- With the impending ban on new petrol (and diesel) car sales in 2030 spell the end for classic cars in the UK? Plus I take a look into how the carbon footprint of buying a new electric car in the UK every three years.
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If classics get banned i'm afraid i'm gonna be a career criminal.
@@morganwilliams2863
It'll also be impractical to own one as ANPR will make sure there will be scant places you can actually drive them.
better be faster then that police tesla
@@hilkovanwalraven3111
Just go where there are lots of corners, the police Tesla will soon be in a ditch.
Fuel will still be made for most of the world like Russia, America, Pakistan, Iran, India ie most of the world so it will not be green by 2031. Plus the only way to cut down the carbon footprint of car users it to get people to buy second-hand cars as the environmental impact of building a new car is massive more so electric cars with the heavy metals in the battery.
You can run 5 old cars into the ground for the impact a new tesla makes on the world plus Tesla force you to buy new which defeats the object even more as they cut fast charging and many opinions on second-hand cars. Its all bull.....and people believe they are doing good by buying one lol fools.
@@TheTazzietiger when that happens the price of electric will sky rocket.
Imagine a world where people focused on repair instead of replace...
Here here.
Well said
Yes
Amen 🙏🏻
We used to, remember tv repair shops etc, the bloke in the boiler suit who lived down your street who kept his car going forever and helped fix everyone elses. All long gone because of the 'i want it now' generation.
A visit to Cuba shows how long a car can really last.
And as a result air pollution is really bad in Havana!
@@pf7086 Where did you get that information from, do you live there? I just checked the AQI(12/2021) and it looks pretty good. Edited: added date.
Fortunately my Mercedes w110 200d will run on paraffin, heating oil, cooking oil or most useful of all fat rendered from dead politicians!
😂😂😂😂👍
Diane Abbott could take you to the moon and back!
@@leegould5306 Shame on you for shooting a sitting (fat and arithmetically challenged) duck 😈
If only...
Great word: "rendered"
That was an absolute masterclass in the art of coherent, logical and analytical articulation of a very complex and often very emotive subject! Demonstrates that, sometimes, it pay to just stand back and look at the bigger picture. Thank You Harry - your videos never fail.
Couldn't have put better myself!
What a load of tosh. He doesn't know any more than any one else on the subject. He just has access to information we all can source with a little effort.
It’s going to be ace. I’ll be like Mad Max holding onto my RS6 with its petrol V8 Twin Turbo, riding around with my Crossbow looking for petrol......
See ya on tha road, skag
You won’t get far mine only did 17mpg in a good day down hill in neutral being towed by another car!!!
@@markbowden7238 Bring it. Ha
@Muckin 4on 🤣🤣🤣🤣 love it.
@@markgough6773 sounds about right. Most thirsty car I've had though.....Jag XF-R. Mental. The Torque though......
You can bet that taxes on electricity will rise hugely when nobody buys petrol anymore!
how is this country going to find enough electricity to charge all the cars every night..??
@@ascott2264 Nuclear power 😭😂
i was thinking the same thing about taxes
It won’t, electricity tax impacts people in fuel poverty, road pricing and the hardware is part of the EU road map for all new cars, phase 2 starts 2022 with the inbuilt gps and data hardware currently being used to auto report your location in an accident being used to auto limit new cars to the speed limi5
@@ascott2264 You won't charge your car every night. It's not like a mobile phone.
It’s all part of a plan to change from car ownership to car usership
Having us hooked up to the grid with some 'online' 'smart' electric vehicles. It's horrible. I hate the way the world is headed...
We got more pressing issues to deal with today, apparently not alot of us will be alive in 2030.
Yes and very easy to control where and when an EV is used.
@@mickdillon1964 Yes - like the monitoring that is easily done via remote read electricity meters.
Exactly that!
I’m never giving up my v12 xj-s.......I live in the highlands so it’s whiskey power for me 👍🏻🏴
Feels great to see how low the CO2 figures are up north, guilt free cups of tea 😁
You live in the Highlands but spell ‘whisky’ incorrectly? 🤔😂
Spelling is less important after a few drams
Love the idea of the V12 xjs.. a bit scared to maintain it.
Might just be a fan of the Irish
Government have to raise cash so watch the tax on electricity go through the roof!
Lurgs How To Guides it will probably be toll roads
It's not just that, the UK's National Grid quickly won't be able to cope with everybody plugging their cars in overnight. We do not have the surplus power stations to cope.
Imagine going to bed with your car plugged in for a recharge, only to find out in the morning as you head off to work that the battery is flat because your area had a blackout in the middle of the night. You'd be lucky to be able to ring in work to explain why you can't come in, because your mobile phone is also dead. The costs from that rack up.
This'll be a recurring theme until the National Grid is up to capacity, but even then running power stations flat-out everyday is a recipe for disaster as they break down from overuse.
At least it'll be a pretty sight at night, watching the nearly century-old overhead power lines softly glow red until the next blackout. Global warming here we come.
@@mazdamaniac4643 yet somehow it copes with industry and domestic requirements during the day.
Also, you are assuming they will all be charged every night.
There are better arguments than that.
@@garethneal82 You're kind of assuming that they won't be, so why won't people leave their cars plugged in overnight? I'll tell you why, because it's the same reason people leave their phones charging overnight, it's convenient.
The domestic load on the Grid isn't that high during the day, because ordinarily most people are at work. A lot of the load occurs the moment people come home and switch the kettle and tv/computer on, where power stations standing by kick in and power up purely for that reason. It tapers off until people start switching their ovens on for cooking dinner, then winds back down into the evening.
This happens every single day.
Obviously because of lockdown, that pattern has evened out quite a bit, but many high-load industries operate 24 hours a day so that is only a constant predictable drain. In the future, throwing millions of people plugging their cars into the equation, drawing gigawatts of power through local substations, then you have a very serious problem that people seem to assume is perfectly fine. It's all fine until people start having blackouts as the Grid disables parts of itself to preserve others. Yes it does this, it's happened on occasion already in the past.
Back in the 1980's, the government foresaw this problem to a degree and built power stations like Dinorwig that can online themselves in seconds to deal with sudden high loads on the Grid, such as millions of people switching on the kettle at around 4pm. I've toured Dinorwig years ago, it's incredible, but it's nearly 40 years old now and can only run for 6 hours max before having to pump it's water back into it's reservoir. Think about that.
We aren't in a massive hurry to upgrade the Grid to handle these predicted loads because there is little if any budget for it, we have one or two power stations under construction, that's it.
I can't see it being good enough and coming from an ex-electrician that might mean something. I'll stick to petrol thanks.
@@garethneal82 and the fact we recently mothballed power stations due to lack of demand
The man who dies with the most carburettors wins 😊
This is the insensitive to get my mk2 escort finished, carnt wait to here those 45 dcoe's 😁
Love it 👍
It seems that a whole lot of people think that it means no I.C.E. powered vehicles will be allowed on U.K. roads at all. 🙄🤦🏼♂️
@Do One Ok, FUNCTIONAL rotaries count double. Can't count the pile that are sitting in the shed after the seals blew.
The one with the most hand cranked engine cars wins !
In 10 seconds, this man explained how write-offs work better than any of my friends. People seem to think "write-off" means "free".
can you state the time code where these 10 seconds occur eg: 7:00
Deepinder Cheema I believe they were using sarcasm.
@@carsonyoder6294 no not at all. He explains it briefly but fairly accurately.
@@deepindercheema4917 7.25
You are working on the assumption Government uses Logic and Facts to make policy and thinks long-term, prepare to be absolutely shafted.
It's a dictatorship. They have no right.
Yeah? Okay, you elect whoever you want, but electric cars are still going mandatory some day - no matter who you vote for. Globalist environmentalist agenda always moving forward - whoever's in power...
All you Europeans keep voting in leftist communist and now you're screwed.
@@mickdillon1964 ah yes an American,we have all the rights we need ,we elect people that actually worry about us rather than bit*ch about rights
@@jeffwolfe4058 no need to sprew american bs propaganda, all the right wingers know is sprew bs and overhype a issue to come in power then dismantle democracy,look how Boris has screwed us over brexit,now he's saying it isn't his fault that brexit is failing,people hate him
It’s all very depressing, be better off living in Amsterdam and riding around on a bike stoned
Sounds excellent!
You are sol post Brexit
Init lol
Careful not to bin it into one of the canals
Ha
It's a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars, you can still own and drive them after 2030.
If you can afford the price of the fuel , watch it go sky high
I’ll distill my own fuel if it comes to that.
@@thebigpicture2032 teach me
@@thebigpicture2032 i'll run on nail polish remover or vodka if i have to :D
Might be the other way. As demand drops countries may increase supply.
nightmare and such a con.
i own a 35 year old vw van, a 20 year old e46 2..8, a 20 year old mx5 and a 15 year old yamaha dtr. never felt the need to upgrade yet :)
My MX5 is 21, I think it will last another 20 years.
@@andrewspence3171 mines b'day this year ::D 75K miles, just changing the CAT on it, the first thing thats failing in al these years
Those cars are slow shitboxes with no safety
But you might once emissions charging schemes come along........
@@abovethelaw4417 theyre lightweight sports cars , not made to do the school run
these rules are bonkers, second hand market gonna inflate like mad time to invest and keep the V8's, V12's etc
Nobody was going to make any new V12s, rules or not.
@Mickey Mouse Yup, they will shut & most of the staff made unemployed, unless they can survive on Asian/American sales only.
Mickey Mouse What do you mean by, "heading into the 3rd world"?
Mickey Mouse ok let's revisit this at the end of 2021. Heading into the 3rd world though?, I think that is quite excessive.
@Mickey Mouse I see what you are saying, but I still have hope for this country and will definitely fight for it. Thanks for clarifying your point anyway, have a great new years.
I read that cruise ships produce the same amount of C02 as 20 million car a day. They’re just big floating hotels.
And they don't seem to care at all, apparently. The hypocrisy is real with this one.
And, they constantly get caught illegally dumping trash at sea, as well.
The 15 largest cargo ships produce more pollution than all the cars in the world
@@MehMeh cargo is cargo. however you could argue that cruise is pointless..
@@MehMeh that’s insane. At least they’re transporting stuff and not just a floating hotel.
Have you noticed, everything that is supposed to be more efficient, is always more expensive, you will never win.
Only in upfront costs. Do the math
Also not repairable. Oh those beasts that run for 100 years, awful bc of how much petrol they burn. Modern efficient engine? you have to replace it? Great!
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My insurance on my brand new scooter was way more expensive than a second hand older 600cc motorcycle. Still not any cheaper in 2nd year. Save on fuel but not a huge saving.
But efficiency has always been more important to a society than money. The industrial revolution must have cost the world untold dollars but do you really want to go back to ox carts? Tech advancement costs money, it always will, doesn't mean it's unnecessary.
1 problem all over the world, with the speed of the shift to electric: lots of people simply cannot finance an electric car today.
That's not necessary because it takes another 10 years.
@@Simon-dm8zv that is kind of my point: everybody agrees that fossil fuel need to go from everyday driving. And it will take a very long time to do that shift due to economics. Even though ev's are increasing the market shares exponentially all over the world, in most cases it is from very low levels. And much of that is due to costs, partnered with a slow start from the car industry.
Banning petrol cars and then making a big environmental mess with lithium wastes 🤷🏻
Let alone how environmentally nasty to extract lithium. Those decision makers probably never went out from their big houses or big offices to see the real world
What is the total environmental cost of extracting oil, processing, storing and delivering to petrol stations? Chuck in the odd oil tanker that spills in the ocean.
Don't forget the damage done to local air quality in towns and cities where millions live and children go to school.
Try and at least balance your argument.
Now tell me about the lithium wastes?
Mining rare earth metals, for the batteries, requires acid to filter out the metals. Over 99% of the earth mined is then dumped back in the ground, as toxic waste. To get less than 1%, by volume, of metal. Some of the metals come from Africa such as DRC, using pretty much slave labour.
That doesn't matter. This is about control and reducing private transport.
CO2 is a boon to the environment, it literally has made the world more green. The largest explosion of life on earth occurred when there was more CO2 and higher temperatures (the Cambrian Explosion). Cold weather and ice ages are what kill more and cause mass extinctions. Corona viruses are always worse in winter and thousands still die of flu and now covid19. The cost of heating homes in winter has gone through the roof thanks to green taxes, so many people are still freezing in winter. CO2 demonisation pushed people into diesels that is far worse for human health as particulates clog up the lungs, this kind of air pollution is a potential aggravating factor for covid19 deaths. Fossil fuels helped liberate people slavery. Nitrogen based fertilisers which are a byproduct of fossil fuels have been a huge boon to global crop yields. If we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow it wouldn't be long before every tree on the planet was felled for fuel. Fossil fuels generated billions for government coffers to fund public services, you only have to look at Norway with its sovereign wealth fund, the envy of the world and was built up largely on the back of oil. Fossil fuels are the earth's natural battery. Just a lot better than lithium.
@@sparky4878 I agree that new battery tech needs to be found. No argument there. But these batteries have their origins in laptops no? How comes we are only hearing about mining in the Congo since evs have become a thing? Don't you think it likely that its propaganda from the oil and car industry?
Perhaps we should all stop buying phones, laptops and ipads?
"These cars don't do anything. They don't do the big journeys'
*pans away from the Rolls*
And in the recommended list on the same page "Driving a '69 Rolls Royce Shadow to the Arctic in the middle of winter". And the Countach 1200 mile trip, Countach Europe trip for Lamborghini concours, Testarossa to the Sahara, all in there too, I guess.
All good trips, with no need to feel guilty about using the cars, fuel or other resources to do them, or of producing CO2 (which has zero relevance), and good informative and entertaining videos, but you goofed a bit in the consistency department there, Harry :)
Electric cars feel soulless!
Ha and he drove it to the artic just to put another pinhole in the ozone up there 😱. Icebergs will melt 🤯. 🥸
@@robertspeakman2075
Because they have no sound
Can’t get over that 3-year turnover figure. Average hold for cars in my family always about 10 years.
the maths do not work on the 3 year turnover, you need to calculate the whole lifetime of a car (otherwise Harry's story is pretty sound)
Even if you do replace it after 3 years, it just goes to someone who buys used. That guy has no C02 contribution by this logic.
Yeah there are some real man maths there. Only fair way to calculate is average U.K. mileage (current 7K but will most likely drop now due to many working from home). Then factor in the average age a car is scraped (guessing around 15 to 20 years).
your 10 year cars don't run on batteries so you should really compare to your cell phones...
got any that lasts more than 3 years?
@@djkhmor4538 Yes both a car and a phone.
The poor secondhand ic car owner is now subsidising the rich new electric car owner🤔
The poor have always subsidized the rich.
so true
Truth.
@@mazdamaniac4643 The poor are primarily subsidising the mega rich global oil companies!
And the taxpayer has been subsidising the oil industry to the tune of billions of pounds every year for decades. Even those whom don't own a car. Why didn't you mention this?
From the people who said “buy a diesel” comes “buy a electric”
haha so true.
They're already taxing them in Australia.
@@stringer-ik1pc electric cars?
Do you not get it that it's about mileage, or do you simply see a problem with two words for the same idea differing in detail?
When someone GIVES me an EV to replace my bought and paid for 800 mile range diesel with a like for like, I’ll gleefully go electric. Until then, EV is a non starter.
This is one of the most interesting and complete review on cars and future mobility I have heard this whole year.
'whole', although this year has a rather significant hole left in it from the scamdemic.
@@carbonicoyster5907 thanks! i have to check my english grammar ;-) greets from italy
I predict most petrol stations will be converted into fast charge stations, but will still have two pumps for unleaded and diesel by 2040, the fuel will just be extortionately expensive.
I think the expense is far more likely to be in the cost of road compliance (registration etc.) and proportionally much more. It also is what has the biggest impact on "behaviour".
Yeah coz they're giving it away at the moment!😂. What do you reckon £3 a litre?
Sadly I think you're right !
Fuel cost will rise because there will be a fraction of the demand
I predict most car parks will become fast-charging stations.
Ok professor tell me how the government is going to recoup all the tax revenue lost on fossil fuel as people buy more electric cars? Electric cars are going to be heavily taxed at some point
Possibly charged on miles driven, but how will they know how far you are driving you ask? Maybe some sort of GPS tracker Or Your mileage is downloaded every time you charge?
Victorian & South Australian governments are already beginning to impose such taxes on electric vehicles.
Last I saw, a figure showed 2.5c per kilometer tax for an EV & 2.0c per kilometer for a plug-in hybrid.
Could probably expect those figures to get higher over time.
Tracking and per-mile road charging in coming.
Road charging presumably, something I'm not against, would encourage more efficient use of the roads.
its either gonna be along the lines of what most have said here or more simply and more damaging for everyones pocket wether a motorist or not is that electricity just becomes even more expensive regardless what you have used it for :( perhaps by that time tho the cars may have to be plugged into a certain type of supply on its own and it billed on a different tariff, who knows? only time will tell
28:07 Harry can't help but sneak in the Patek Philippe for a close up. Nice.
Totally appropriate analogy
Who else wants to know what other watches he has in his collection?
@@DwarFStrider Many have wished Harry would do a watch channel. I’m in!
@@DwarFStrider I definitely think he should devote an episode to his watch collection.
@@DwarFStrider I have seen him wear a panerai sometimes
"What the government allows" if that statement doesn't scare the crap out of you, what could possibly go wrong. When they institute the mandatory ice buyback program and don't think they won't.
if police cars are electric we can outrun them......
Absolutely agree. To think that we've all cheerfully become slaves to our government is appalling. I expected idiocy, but not tyranny, from our current government.
@@user-bh4rx8mf8g YAWN - come on get real, the government will never force a buy back scheme, it would never fly, they would then have to include ALL ICE engined items, and they could never afford it, you would be talking nearly half a trillion, and what would be the point, if the country lost all those cars over the course of a year, then there would be nearly a million jobs lost in petrol stations, garages, brands that cant survive, businesses that dump the UK and move abroad, farms that can not afford to replace equipment, going bust, and the cost to UK when that starts to happen would be even more, and then not forgetting all those classic and historic cars that would have to be dumped, i think you will find more people would rather go to prison than have to be parted with their pride and joy, and then that would really screw the already screwed prison service, so, no that will never happen....
@@jonmower3680 Jon, the buy-back scheme is already happening, but not on a national scale. Transport for greater Manchester is rolling out its 'Clean Vehicle Funds Service' which effectively buys a free electric car for people who use it to replace their petrol/diesel car. The money for this has been put up centrally from the Department for Transport under the Clean Vehicle Technology Fund. Your taxpayer money is already being used to buy people electric cars in return for the promise to scrap their existing diesel/petrol car. All that you say about job losses, businesses leaving the UK and so on is sadly absolutely true- but nonetheless, this is the "green" hell that Boris and his climate alarmists are pushing us towards.
@@user-bh4rx8mf8g FFS get you facts right, try reading the ACTUAL info.... you clearly have no knowledge of anything you are dribbling on about....
Very calmly presented and interesting, as always. Brilliant, but we've come to expect no less 👍👍👍
They will probably ban bicycles soon as they don't want people going anywhere without permission
One of the most interesting looks at the Big Picture that I have seen. I think it's time to buy a classic car!
It’s always time to buy a classic car. Buy wisely, drive, enjoy and sell for more money down the road.
Good summary Harry. The Mrs & I are running ageing cars, in part to avoid the footprint of their electric replacements. This is good encouragement.
@DrRogB Absolutely.
A lot of the arguments surrounding electric car use seem to be dripping in snake oil. The massive use of resources to produce them, the extractive industries that mine the battery components (toxic metals, rare earths), with their legions of child labour, the power they draw to charge the battery (another industry laden with bollocks - see the film ‘Planet of the Humans’ for more)... it all seems to add up to the biggest racket since, well, the clusterfeck that was diesel motoring. Our wheezing children won’t be thanking us for _that_ con. As with diesel, this looks and smells like another gambit to drive the car industry through another couple of decades before a new wheeze is hatched that forces us to ditch the batteries for some newer technology.
It is for precisely the reasons above that I very deliberately replaced my ageing car with another ageing car. It’s 13 years old. It drives like a dream. Lift the bonnet and find a thing of beauty, an engineering tour de force that celebrates innovation, design and more than a century of constant improvement. I plan to hang on to it as long as possible. All I need to remind me of the sense behind that motivation, is the whine of the starter (big engine...) and the roar as the engine takes over. I find electric cars utterly sterile, bland and boring. I’d prefer to drive something organic and analogue.
I’d agree with the other comments here. The carrots on offer to drive take-up of e-cars will swiftly be replaced by a giant taxation stick once enough people switch. Given that around 65% of the cost at the petrol pump is tax, it’s foolish to imagine the current situation for battery cars prevailing for much longer.
Don't forget that if you're buying 3 cars over 10 years, those cars don't just get scrapped, they get re-sold. Ignore the cars per decade for a few people and look at the total lifespan and total miles driven.
Additionally these calculations grams per kilometer for a petrol car ignores the CO2 to collect and refine an deliver the fuel.
The problem is that in 10 years we still won’t have the infrastructure in place for this to be viable . We need way more electricity production to make this work .
Electricity is just going to become extremely expensive.
Driving a 20 year old Toyota Camry as my daily that I keep well maintained, it's looking likely it will outlive humanity itself if parts remain available. 🤷🏻♂️
And then you could keep going with 3D printed parts.
A 20 year old Camry is slow af lol
@@abovethelaw4417 How fast do you normally drive on your daily commute? 😂 I'd be lucky to average 30mph in a car, if I wanted to go fast I'd take a motorcycle.
It's interesting to see how general people and the gov, will only focus on a single number only, and miss out the whole picture entirely.
You hit the nail on the head once more, Harry. Brilliant. Cheers
Shame there are so many oversights and inaccuracies.
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r what were they?
Yeah synthetic fuels are the way to go. With this technology we can have an infinite supply of eco-friendly petrol! The fact that it can be used in any current car is absolutely awesome! Just shows that electric cars have been the most expensive fad of the century.
When doing the math for the CO2 of a BEV, you have to look at the whole lifecycle of the car dust-to-dust. If you change cars every three years it doesn't mean it'll be recycled straight away. It'll find a new owner which would maybe be considering buying a second hand petrol car and instead went to a second-hand BEV. Assuming the battery has been reasonably well taken care of, it'd last over ten years easily. Therefore the 86t CO2 figure isn't very realistic, in my opinion. Great video, though, as usual! :)
For comparison, if you used the same theory what would 10 year CO2 for a new Golf be? Better or worse than BEV?
quite.
@@dadoola1808 probably less than a current BEV. Since we have to transition to a cleaner economy, in any case, it'd be a necessary evil until the effects are lower as sales (and law) drive the technology for a less polluting life cycle of an EV.
Even the way he says 'Ferrari' is different. He says it like an Italian because he loves and respects the brand, the soul.
But Ferrari stopped making manual cars unlike Porsche
I'm stunned how small the Testarossa is next to the F-type. I remember reading about them at the time and there was complaints how huge its haunches where.
new mini bigger and much heavier than old maxi !!!
Yes I wasn't a big fan until I saw one parked in real life. Very compact. Much closer to my Elise than I'd imagine. Really nice in the flesh.
its like anything else, its all how its photographed, and dont forget literally the most famous one of its kind was painted from this beautiful black nero metalic into bright white, so people thought it was abit big when it really wasnt lol
An excellent presentation, with a proper, reasoned analysis of relative costs, both economic and environmental. One thing extra should be said though. There was mention of a) the sheer number of cars on UK roads, and how long it will take to replace them all with electric equivalent and b) how is the electricity to be generated for all of those electric cars? What hasn't yet been realised, but will gradually begin to dawn, is that the government has absolutely no intention of replacing all existing vehicles with electric, and equally, it has absolutely no intention of providing the infrastructure for such a number of vehicles. The main aim is to REMOVE cars from roads, and NOT to replace them all. It isn't mentioned often, but you do occasionally hear one or two government advisors tentatively say it, in very couched terms.
In my corner of the garage I have one dead spider and a bucket.
You have a garage???!!! Lucky bugger
What you have a bucket? You did a big blunder saying it online.
If you were a handyman, you could turn those into a Lamborghini.
Harry you are right on the money! The government needs a rethink as does the rest of the world.
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This sounds a lot like the Diesel scam of 20yrs ago.
Gotta love the EU and the burecracy they love to throw around to screw with everybody else. I suppose they have to have some reason to exist.
@@VFR-rs5um Ironically it's contrary to EU law to ban the sales of particular fuel types.... that's why the UK is able to do this, but no such thing has happened anywhere else in Europe (or the rest of the world). Anyway, I digress, this video was absolutely fascinating - particularly about the emissions produced in the manufacturing of the cars and how some electricity is not at all green. I think one point missed is that if we have synthetic fuels with zero carbon, then there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why new cars cannot be sold with them after 2030. The only thing that Governments right around the world are explicitly ruling out is the sale of cars powered by petrol or diesel. So, if synthetic fuels are able to become a thing, and really are carbon neutral, then we can still have those. I really hope synthetic fuels can take off, there is just nothing like driving a car with a pure combustion engine. The fun from fast cars isn't from the speed itself, it's from the emotion and energy from a nice sounding combustion engine.
Want to see a 450-600bhp electric Land Rover or VW Beetle or 308 Ferrari ???
Or the idea of Western manufacturing jobs going to China being replaced with high paying IT jobs? And opening up to China causing them to become democratic and free? Or Britain giving up it's vetoes/opt-outs leading to it being more influential in the EU? Or...
And then the truth come out......
UK only in Iraq for the oil!!!
Saddam used Mustard Gas not Weapons of Mass Destruction!!
The whole British Fleet is ran on Crude oil ffs!
Buy a heavy smoker and create clouds of Woolly Mammoth everywhere!!!!
When you've had enough tick scrapped on the logbook and park on M1 or the streets of London and let the Government clean the mess up!!
You need to also include the energy used to produce the petrol, typically around 5 kWh per gallon.
Does that include finding it, drilling for it and transporting it?
You can say the same for batteries and electric
@@sheledmikymo yeah agreed and that comes out quite a lot :) but I’ve never really seen a comparison where mpg includes much beyond the fuel burnt
It’s not as simple as the example here ;)
Plus you can’t compare a 1yr old car and a 50yr old car
@@sheledmikymo He already did say that. Gotta compare apples to apples or the comparison is meaningless.
@@sheledmikymo He did. You just didn’t listen
Don’t worry come live in Australia , we’ve practically banned EVs :)
Yeah, Australia is weird. In most ways Australia is very far left, but right wing on other things. I still hate John Howard, the fake conservative.
I've lived in Australia, it's horrible, full of lefties and militant shirkers. Sales of Ev's are well on the up as is Tesla Solar. Get on the band wagon or you'll be left in the gutter
NinjazAreSwift - Tesla owners will buy EVs without any incentives , average wage earners need incentives for EVs , I bought a cheap leaf here in Australia, with no incentives I wasn’t going to fork out for anything to totally replace our ice car. Still that little ev covers 95% of our trips on a measly 20kwh of useable capacity:) , I don’t expect we will ever have incentives, we have too many business deals riding on keeping oil strong.
You must be looking forward to your next new Holden 😭 Australia stuck its head in the sand for 20 years and the result was entirely predictable.
@@joshgray9035 I don't know what's happening in self hating, left wing Australia. How do you like your new politically corrected national anthem, by the way? But here in North America V8 powered Chargers and Challengers are selling like crazy. The Ford F-150 is also the best selling vehicle here.
I do not look forward to this future:
- electric cars are only cheap because the government is set on subsidising them with the money milked from owners of conventionally powered ones. Soon this policy cannot continue, we have no alternative and they will be horribly expensive.
- people are pretentious, they will continue to drive a new SUV every three years paid for by someone else's money.
- in the conceivable future electric cars are ridiculously heavy, prohibiting the common man of experiencing driving pleasure.
- while I agree with your prediction on the future of classic cars, I believe it is not a positive one: car culture is by its very nature tremendously democratic, and this development will unfortunately spell the end of this great tradition.
@stubbk3 You said it bro.
Stuff electric, give me a v8 and stuff China which will profit most from this dumb idea of replacing petrol
Yes! And stuff traitors who don't resist and accept forced EVs.
Because staying a slave to the Middle East is exactly what you want! Haven’t we learnt from a certain oil crisis that staying dependent on Arab oil is a very bad idea? The greedy oil sheiks can really halt an entire nation if they feel like it using oil as a weapon against the West. It’s time to ditch the petrol and become independent.
@@BerndenLivien I haven't seem much middle east oil here in Canada.
Jordan Anderson whether you like it or not, gas is not future proof. Bite the bullet, sooner or later it’ll be replaced by something cheaper and more efficient.
@@BerndenLivien And when that happens let it happen. Combustion engines didn't become dominant with the benefit of governments banning horses and buggies. Nor from taxing horses and subsidizing horseless carriages. Let things happen when they happen without setting arbitrary dates banning them for political reasons.
Another insightful and brilliant factual video from Harry, lets keep the love of these cars alive
For the average man probably, for the very wealthy no, they just get to hoard more.
Just like what happened with horses a little over a century ago.
@@Zundfolge And houses in recent decades.
@@thegearknob7161 I wonder what's gonna happen after a couple generations end their 50+ year careers without even a place to die in to show for it... Boomers have successfully pulled the ladder up behind them and for every generation after it's all a progressively worse proposition. Have family wealth, or die in a shit rented flat without even being allowed a pet after a whole lifetime of work, what a dream.
Voting has consequences, one day in not a very distant future the Brits will understand that. The rich and powerful and their media are not your friends, trust them and they will screw you big time.
XJR15ftw oh dear, given up already? Just bitter? Or want it on a plate?
Great video. As a Tesla 3 SR+ and Z4M Coupe owner I see them as two totally different cars and experiences.
THE GREAT RESET...for the poor
There will be no middle class either, just the rich and the poor.
Exactly, this is socialism.
What your car runs on in the future will not matter because you will not be able to afford one.
@@MostCedric bollocks, this is the capitalist plutocracy at work!
@@dynamicserb7986 Just like in California .
I do struggle with this. Where is the plug in my house where electricity comes out "for nothing"? Has anyone considered the large majority of cars sold in the UK are in the 2nd hand market simply because not everyone is fortunate enough to have the resources to fund a new one.
There are thousands of houses where there is no parking and we're going to have millions of electric leads stretched across pavements in terraced housing where the parking and charging is on the street.
We do need a rethink but remember "the light bulb did not come about through the continued development of the candle" this industry needs revolution, not evolution.
It's a challenge, that's for sure. But when somebody first suggested lampposts I imagine people saying we can't have cables stretched across the roads and pavements!
Moral lesson : Drive Testarossa (or Countach) to commute.
Just don't commute more than 1k miles a year.
Won't be many of us peasants on the road
Thats the idea
Exactly,what'll be the £1000 runaround in EV world?
Thats the point and plan with AGENDA 2030, and as dumb sheep we let this horrible stuff play out.
You need to be aware of the autonomous vehicle subscription services that are coming to replace pretty much all private cars in urban or suburban areas. No purchase, no maintenance, no insurance, no charging worries and no actual need to drive even. Just pull out your phone and a car will be outside in a few mins. Take you to your destination for pennies a mile. So most people won’t need or want a private car and that makes so much more sense than owning a car that spends 90%+ of its life going nowhere. If you want a hobby car or a driving experience, then you have options to pay for and manage a classic or an EV of your choice. For the vast majority of the population that don’t care, the autonomous future is going to replace the idea of owning a car. It’s going to be cheaper than ever for ‘normal’ people to be transported by car in luxury and convenience!
@@Levenstone132 E-bike, unfortunately.
EVs are the emperors' new cloaths from an environmental point of view, they're not the panacea that they're made out to be.
They won’t easily replace the fleets of buses lorries plant etc over to electricity. The 2030 law is an impossible dream
Mind you I've never heard anyone claiming that EVs are a panacea ... to be fair. There's a heck of a lot more changes required than the cars we drive if the climate crisis is going to be managed successfully.
@@jazvock1366 What law? It's not a law ... it's a "goal" ... and it refers to cars and vans only. If it's not feasible it simply won't happen. Who knows who will be in parliament in 2030 anyway ...
@@MrAdopado There is no climate crisis.
@@RAZGR1Z Excellent. That's great news. I'll sleep easy now.
Fossil fuels are still needed to produce the electrical power for the charging stations. And every bit of plastic, synthetic cloth, and rubber are produced using fossil fuels.
Thanks once again Harry for a detailed, factual film. This displays so well to us all the total cost in terms of power consumed for the manufacture of electric vehicles. These facts need to be aired more widely for the public to fully understand. Britain has always been a land of innovators. Improved efficiency for solar, wind & wave power generation. This together with a focus when new products are developed with ease of repair designed in thus driving down the need for a replacement assembly when a single component will do. This in turn will reduce the consumption of raw materials and reduce the cost of ownership.
How can it be easier. I like a large percentage of the population live in a terrace house. The lead from my house to the road where my car is parked would need to be 20 foot long. That is if I manage to to park in front of my house, which doesn’t happen often. More often than not I’m parked on the other side of the road. In that case the lead would give to go across the road and would be about 30 feet away. How will this actually work 🤔
Obviously, it won't work. The electrification brigade are all rich enough to own detached houses with driveways... they don't give a shit about the poors like you. They want to take your driving license away entirely, and put you on buses, trams and trains.
This is a true problem with EV ownership, there are some clever solutions for on street charging but the government needs start funding it
Imagine all the trip hazards with all these wires from people’s houses crossing over. Imagine in the summer with the kids on the streets playing out. A few will get frazzled and electric cars will be banned. They will they herald a new technology called combustion engines 😂
@@nickhaslam3253 solutions are clever than that with kerb side pop up chargers or even induction charging in the future
When you calculated the CO2 g/Km did that include the CO2 having to extract the oil, refine it, transport it halfway across the globe.... The VW id3 will be produced in a factory that is carbon neutral....
No need even to watch the video: The answer is no.
There is no ban on petrol and diesel cars being used after 2030. What there is is a ban on the sale of NEW ones.
Thank you. It is very simple really, I dont understand why people have such a panic reaction to hearing it.
The problem is going to be the Government will just keep raising taxes (either VED or petrol) using the excuse of saving the planet. So the average person with an old car will be taxed off the road
@@menditsa wrong, read the title again. 🤨
@@menditsa yes, you did say that. But read the title again son. You was "WRONG" about that.
@@harminderkambow9642 That is true and I agree. But conteractive to that the oil companies will still want to sell their oil. The entire world oil production industry isn't going to dissapear all of a sudden. They want to continue selling oil, so they will have to adjust costs according to the markets like they always have done. But now they will not have the monopoly on world energy like they previously have had. Renewable energy is now their main competition.
The entire middle east oil industry for instance will keep pumping oil for as long as they can, they could not care less about the enviorment.
Speaking of watches Harry, you gonna show us your collection?
The added clip wristshot was very telling!
U didn't add the co2 for refining extraction transport of the fuel your just looking at the co2 from the exhaust.... massive calculation error they use the same national grid electric at the refinery
Exactly my thought. The crude oil is shipped from around the world, The fuel is refined, using Cobalt to remove sulphur, unlike in batteries, the cobalt cannot be reused. The fuel is then transported to our local gas station.
Harry is quick to mention that electricity is lost over long distances.
He’s absolutely spot on right though, I have a full EV for my daily and long trips and three classics for my pleasure, none do more than 800 miles a year.
If the batteries are no longer viable for use in a vehicle, they’ll gladly work as storage for his PV array. 😉
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just a small point, but we need to be clear:- kW = power (or rate of work done), kWh = energy (or work done, stored etc.)
Don't forget Mr. James Prescott Joule.
They'll struggle to get rid of diesels. You can fuel a diesel with vegetable oil and just about anything combustible.
Nothing can replace that V12 Countach.
It is a Muira
CANNONBALL opening scene ...oh yes I'll say.
Who needs cars -the way we are going you will need a vaccine visa to go to the next town!
David Icke has been saying it for years. People still mock him,.and silence him even though he's been right about this all along.
You will need a vaccine to renew your license to begin with.
come back in a years time and reflect on the bizarre version of reality you've fallen into, no one is seriously suggesting vaccine visa's for travel around the UK, if another country expects it well that's their sovereign right to do that.
We haven’t seen anything yet. So many wealthy oil countries/families/companies that haven’t even flexed a muscle yet. This will change very quickly. Watch
The rich Middle East countries have know about this for a long time, they have been investing trillions for decades in property, sports franchises etc.
@@ericpisch2732 Places like Dubai are investing their money in renewable tech. They saw the death of oil decades ago.
A lot of people want new car/new tech. Safer, more efficient etc. However my biggest complaint is that manufacturers are now building cars so, that after 100k miles they fall apart and are nearly unserviceable (expensive and complicated) after that.
Isn't the regulation that "no NEW petrol / diesel" car can be sold after 2030. Very different from "no petrol / diesel" car can be sold...
Correct. It's 'new sales' and as Harry has stated; given the amount of existing ICE vehicles on the road, it shall be many years until they are all gone. I also envisage residuals holding on for longer as many people shall neither want, nor be able to afford an electric vehicle and therefor used ICE vehicles shall be in demand as the 'cheaper' option. Not to mention the likes of 'flat dwellers' who in all likelihood shall not have access to a charging station any time soon. Living in Central London I hardly use my car, and my mileage doesn't justify the expense of leasing a £40k electric VW Golf and have it sat on the drive dormant for weeks at a time.
Just wait. They will want to ban all normal cars. If not outright then thru taxes that will make owning petrol and diesel cars too expensive for almost anyone
@@ksztyrix Well, we don’t need to wait. ‘Normal’ cars ‘shall’ be banned. Sales of new ICE cars are banned from 2030. It shall be a natural progression for the ICE vehicles to die out. Ultimately classics are all that shall be left but this is a long way off. I think it highly unlikely that ‘they’ shall deliberately tax everyone still using ICE vehicles off the road in the foreseeable future. And by foreseeable I mean 2040 or more. People shall still be buying ICE’s for the next few years and cars last a while these days. They’ll still be on the roads for some time after 2030.
@@ksztyrix ICE cars will probably be banned in most cities for air quality reasons, as they already are in London and quite a lot of German cities. So you can still drive one, but only in the country.
@@Wookey. It's not because "air quality" bullshit. They want total control (Agenda 2030)
Very very interesting post Harry. An excellent contextual view of things to come. Not all gloomy news. 👍🏼
synthetic zero emissions fuels please, electric can eat my shorts, great for commercial vehicles but replicating the buzz of my Yamaha MT09 at full chat, not a f.............g chance...........
Great insights as always, thanks Sir
Impact of changing cars every 3 years (car sharing companies maybe more often) is madness!
Metcalfe for Prime Minister! ;-)
yes and Judge Judy for President!
After the great reset cars aren't the issue it's finding people to drive them..
we need harry's watches...
Definitely!
Harry's brass houses
The figures you use seem to rely on comparing the carbon cost for electricity on a very bad winters day, with the tailpipe carbon emissions on an ICE car. That is not the same. You either compare tailpipe emissions on both vehicles (an EV is 0), or you compare the total carbon cost, including the creation of the fuel and its transportation, against the yearly average carbon value for the grid. That becomes difficult as its hard to find realistic figures for the energy cost to refine petrol/diesel and its transportation. You do have some good points though, daily drivers will become Electric and as the grid becomes cleaner they will become cleaner to, both in manufacture and to run. ICE cars will become toys for the rich and the best will be kept alive by enthusiasts and in museums.
One of the greatest scams ever pulled on free people, electric cars....
No, you've got that confused with Brexsh!t...
Don't worry, when 2030 comes, they will conveniently pretend they never heard of this and carry on.
How about stopping with all these massive SUVs and "crossovers" etc that are way bigger than needed in most instances, use more materials and use more fuel due to their ridiculous weight. That may good a good place to start. But what do I know.
Yes, totally agree, kill all SUVs and Crossovers esp. Horrible vehicles, it just needs to stop for sure! Damn Women that luv them!
How are the govt going to replace petrol tax revenue ? Surely , eventually, they will tax electricity or electric cars.
Already doing it here in Australia.
@@roadie3124 if only they stopped waisting it on putting foreigners up with full aid, houses, etc we wouldnt need to be taxed 50% of what we do.. fed up with paying for others with nothing in return except getting bent over and taking one
Of course they will increase tax for electric vehicles( just like they did for diesel), or introduce pay per mile schemes.
Simple... raise every other tax.
Did not understand all of it, but keep repeating and understand more. Harry as usual, information, enthusiastic. Great and thank you !!
I am not worried about combustion engines in the future. Synthetic fuel will be ready on the market before electric cars can really think of getting clean in production!
Always buy a second hand car when they 8 or more years. Who would buy an electric that age?
I would quite happily. I have a 4-year-old one and it's not showing any issues (no battery wear in 25K miles) and has been 100% reliable. I have no intention of getting rid of it before 100K miles/10 years. What are you expecting to go wrong with an electric car?
Starts in a Miura, ends it in a Fulvia. Perfect :D
The watch analogy is good Harry, it''s also why a lot of us use turntables for music also. Good video.
Convert them to electric
@@robertpryor7225 electric turntables are awesome... 😊
@@DeenHameed I prefer the Kerosene ones that Frank Zappa mentions on the Joes Garage album
I will never convert my wind up record player to electric!
They are similar analogies to a point, but automatic, or mechanical watches do not pollute.
Hi Harry good video. Just one question about the CO2 for electric cars. You gave figures for the CO2 from the power station to charge the car all very good. Now how much CO2 does it take to make 1 litre of petrol. No one every gives this figure they just do the tail pipe. So using these and your figures the electric car has NO CO2 emissions out of them.
Look forward to a video about this! , keep up the good work Harry always look forward to them.
And when they run out of the lithium they mine and ship all round the world and bury no recyclable batteries maybe hydrogen will be seen as the real green alternative for cars
Exactly as i'm reaching the age where i'm capable of buying what i've always dreamed is the time where I'm not allowed to buy it anymore :)). This is the one major factor that has driven me in life. Even manual transmissions are becoming rarer.
Up until 2035 and then there's the 2nd hand market after that. How old are you now?
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r 29. So far i'm very happy with owning an FK8 Type R. I'm sure it will take the Eastern European market much longer to get there.
Hi Harry, thank you for very well composed video. One thing I would like to see added to the picture is how much CO2 it actually takes to produce (drill, refine, distribute) the petrol we use in our cars. Without it the picture isn't complete I'm afraid - especially once you calculate CO2 in production of electricity for electric cars.
Thankyou for saving me from typing a lonely comment about this. The co2 for the electric car is calculated along with all of its fuel but the petrol cars are not.... Wtf! Yes the co2 per km is considered for the ice vehicle but the carbon (and rare earth material cost) for each and every litre of liquid fossil fuel is not considered.
from what i've read, any current petrol or diesel engine is capable of being run on hydrogen. It will be like changing a car to run on LPG. We'll see if various government invest enough in infrastructure to make this happen
My grand-granduncle fled thru Poland and France to Great Britain to fight the nazis. And fight he did. - Mere 80 years later you elected a fascist government of your own. Great job!
Think you need to get a grip.
Highly selective worst case figures here. Just do some research on how much energy it takes to ship and refine Petrol before it even gets into a vehicle's tank. I worked in the petroleum industry for several years and cobalt is used in refining (single use by the way), free (dirty coal generated) grid electricity is used in the refineries, and diesel is used in the tanker delivery (oh and the shipping you need to add in too) oh and nearly forgot, the Oil extraction to start with. If Harry wants to get the numbers out then he wants to cast his scrutineering eye on the legacy fossil industry before picking holes in EVs. For example, a modern car battery pack will last many hundreds of thousands of miles and then go onto a second life use for many years after. Publicly available aggregated data from Tesla shows their pack degrade about 5% for every 100k miles driven. So using Harry's analogy of 50 years use at 10K a year, you would still have a viable pack with a residual charge of 75%, After 500,000 miles. That's 50 years. And in any case, the vast majority of cars on roads today are not, and will never be, classics. Going on about a classic Lotus or Lamborghini having a clutch and gearbox and pistons and exhaust notes and unexplained squeaks and rattles is all very well - but most people can't afford to care. EVs will dominate because in one year, two at the most, EVs will simply have a cheaper Total cost of ownership than Fossil equivalents. Final bit to remember on all of this - there is plenty of power already, too much, for EVs to be charged. There isn't a dearth of electricity generation in the UK for a start. Refineries have enjoyed free electricity for years because they hoover up the base load excess when we are all in bed. They were even PAID at times to USE electricity because it was cheaper than spinning down peakers.
One thing I do agree with Harry on, is that classic (Valuable classics not Renault Clio 1.4s) are unlikely to go away as long as they are a store of value. Many valuable classics never see the tarmac anyway so petrol to put in them is a secondary consideration. Those Vauxhall Vectra company hacks built in 1997 will end up in the crusher no matter what fuel they run on and well before they ever see anything like 500,000 miles.
I can’t bear electric cars! Long live the combustion engine!
Never going to happen IMO by 2030, government lives in cuckoo land, Along with gas boilers being banned, where is all this extra electric going to come from ?
Thanks Harry, this is a really important issue and great to hear you talking about it.
I can't imagine in the UK there won't be an out for those well enough off.
And what of the production of the fuel? And the initial production emissions of the ICE cars?
Yeah good point, the drilling and refining is a messy business. Not to mention potential oil spills and the damage fracking does.
Isn't it the same for electric cars as for gasoline cars? You frack to get natural gas and drill for oil or dig for coal to power the electric plants that you need for your battery powered vehicles.
@@sw651 The UK is right now (20:24 on 07/12/20) using 21% renewable energy, that's because people are using more energy for heating at the moment so we're using our CGGTs more than usual. Like a lot of countries our grid is getting cleaner all the time. You can check out the stats at gridwatch.co.uk/
But for the sake of argument, say all our power stations were oil fired. Assuming an oil power plant has an efficiency of ~60% , and taking electric car efficiency to be ~90% we achieve an overall efficiency of (0.6*0.9)*100= 54%. A petrol car is only ~40% thermodynamically efficient
@@MineUK60 Let's have a big dose of reality. The minerals and chemicals used in batteries are dug up in various parts of the world, shipped to other places to make the batteries, and then shipped out to vehicle manufacturers. The mining and refining processes are certainly not clean. Nor are the battery recycling processes. Optimistically, they will need replacing every 10 years, but in reality, far sooner. Now add in the processes involved in creating the right infrastructure. Instead of petrol, every car will need access to power. Dig up roads to lay all the extra cables and create large charging areas... charging takes longer than putting petrol in, so more space is needed and range is an issue, many more chargers are required than petrol pumps. Mine all the extra copper wire for this infrastructure, not to mention plastics and metal for the charge units themselves. Additionally the extra demand on the national grid means more power stations running. All in all... not as green as you imagine.
@@another3997 tree huggers don’t care. They’re just pushing their agenda, no matter. The damage to the environment mineral mining does for these battery packs is absurd.
Harry,
Thank you for presenting the subject of the future of classic cars. I live in Kenya where we have a very passionate community of classic car enthusiasts, me being one of them.
Although your presentation pertains mainly to the UK, I think you have articulated the basic reality very well for classic car enthusiasts from most of the world and not just the UK as government policies around the world are likely to be more or less the same.
My country Kenya submitted an ambitious Intended Nationally Determined Contribution to the Paris Agreement, even though our contribution is a mere 0.1% of the total global emission.
Climate change is acknowledged in all our key national policy documents. What this means is that we more or less face the same threat from our government that your government has announced for the UK in 2030.
Your analysis is very eloquent and I can tell you that it has allayed (at least my) fears.
I agree with you that it is not realistic to phase out the combustion engine within the next nine or even twenty years at which time as I think you have correctly predicted there will most probably be an acceptable solution/compromise for fossil fuel that will allow our beautiful engines to continue running.